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Tiny Car Podcast episode #9
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Torben, Bob, and Jim examine numerous model car topics from weathering techniques to replicating Cooter's tow truck.
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Introduction and Upcoming Events
00:00:01
Torben Rothgeb
Take 16. Welcome to the Tiny Car Podcast. This is your host, Torben Rothgeb, and my co-host, Bob Madrick. And Slim, too. And Slim, too. From the Lake Street Studios in beautiful Minneapolis, the coolest city in the world.
00:00:17
Torben Rothgeb
All right. Well, hello out there. i hope everybody is having a fantastic day. We are coming to you live from the Lake Street Studios. I'm joined by Jim and Bob. How are you guys doing today?
00:00:29
Torben Rothgeb
Good. and Wonderful. Trying to stay warm. Well, we have all kinds of content coming at you tonight. We have ah just an unbelievable amount of shows that we've gone to, that we're going to.
00:00:42
Torben Rothgeb
We have a bunch of new products coming out. We have our own projects to talk about. um So first off, let's kick this off with the Hope It Don't Snow show in Rochester.
Model Show Experiences and Preferences
00:00:54
Torben Rothgeb
ah What did you guys think of the show? It was ah well attended. 190 automotive entries. That's the largest we've ever had to judge. Yeah, it was it was really crowded pretty much the whole day. a lot of spectators.
00:01:09
Torben Rothgeb
You know, it was, ah it's usually pretty a pretty well attended show because it's the first one of the year, like you said, Bob. And people are excited to get out after the first of the year and holidays are over and all that stuff. So people get a lot of models built and they're excited to, you know,
00:01:28
Torben Rothgeb
See how they can do in the contest. And the guys down there, like you said, Jim, the guys down there are great. yeah and Rick Rasmussen, he's a big car guy. He loves cars, so he always turns it over to us.
00:01:40
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. There's a lot of, lot of, a lot of awards, lot of special awards they give, you know, for cars and everything else. Um, cars were the biggest genre, which is nice.
00:01:51
Torben Rothgeb
You know, it's usually been competing pretty evenly with airplanes, but there are definitely a lot more cars than there were airplanes, armor or. thising Yeah, I've probably been going to that show between 15 and 20 years, and it really has kind of ah come you know kind of turned a little bit. When I first went there, cars were kind of the side note, um and then now it seems like cars are the biggest. um I felt bad because I...
00:02:17
Torben Rothgeb
I wanted to bring a Bobby Allison display, so I took up a a fair amount of room. And in the past, there was plenty of room for the cars, but we were really ah packed in pretty tight.
00:02:28
Torben Rothgeb
so um But it's good for that show and good for, you know, we're getting so many more car builders. It's good for the hobby. It is good.
00:02:41
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Now, nothing got me thinking with the awards. And there's just a lot of awards. And ah and it's great. um You know, we ah we all like to get honored for the time that we spend building.
00:02:55
Torben Rothgeb
And, ah you know, Bob and I have talked before. it's It's better to win than to lose. You know, not that we're uber competitive. But winning is always a little better than losing. And and getting some affirmation and appreciation for what what you build. But at the same time, it it got me thinking, and I wanted to see what your ah opinions are on the matter.
00:03:18
Torben Rothgeb
If we're talking about a show, And we take a show like the Hope It Don't Snow show. It's an IPMS show. And everybody that brings something gets judged. And they get either a bronze, a silver, or gold um for for what they bring.
00:03:34
Torben Rothgeb
And then you also have a lot of other um awards. And it's a show that you have sci-fi and then you have... armor and all kinds of other categories and it ends up being you know like an hour to pass out all these wards would you rather have a show like that or a show like our NNL North in Minneapolis where you get or sorry Invergrove Heights now yes yeah oh But would you rather have a show like that where you get top 10 awards and then five other awards?
00:04:07
Torben Rothgeb
Or would you rather have just an absolute, like the original NNL, where they felt like it was getting uber competitive with the MPC events, and then they even the Salt Lake show was starting to get started off there, and they just wanted to just display your models and have it non-competitive? Yeah.
00:04:28
Torben Rothgeb
What would be your choice or your favorite type of show? Well, I think personally that the Rochester show brings out that type of builder that wants to get noticed wants to win an award. I think you were mentioning that you've been coming to that show for what close to 20 years.
00:04:47
Torben Rothgeb
I remember like one of the first years that I went, um they had a best open wheel and closed wheel and I happened to win the open wheel award and they had a trophy with a connecting rod for the award. And that was really ah really nice award to receive. And so I think those types of awards, I think,
00:05:09
Torben Rothgeb
are our popular and maybe, you know, people would like to win those types of things. But I think a balance for me is, is the best. I mean, not too many, not, you know, I think, you know, from going to the original NLs in Toledo, I think they were a little lean on the awards.
00:05:28
Torben Rothgeb
mean obviously for a long time for a reason. But then they expanded and and did, you know, maybe some special,
00:05:37
Torben Rothgeb
theme type thing which it was was really fun um i really like that too so i mean it's it just depends on the show i think for me uh ipms i really enjoy the the awards that they give out there which is still probably like you know too many but um you know you go there to i mean you go there to compete that's what the purpose is for the most part so mean how do you get around that right you don't you don't get around there's a lot of people that's all they built for is for contests Well, there's shows like, you know, the Telford show in England, which is one of the biggest model shows.
00:06:11
Torben Rothgeb
That is a, they have a, they have maybe four or five awards for best in show, maybe best airplane, maybe best automotive. And that's it. And there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of models. It's mainly a display.
00:06:23
Torben Rothgeb
And so I think the whole thing of, I've said this before, but I mean, you I'd rather have a judge show because I think it's more honest. And NNL is, The popular vote. It's popular vote. And, you know, we've seen that from everything from politics to anything else. Oh, yeah.
00:06:40
Torben Rothgeb
The popular vote is, you know, you don't know what you're going to get. Right. You know, so the simple turn table. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, the bottom line is you don't know. So it's always, you know, the shiny penny or the common subject that will win things, you know. So it's um I like I like just I like a judge shown. I think, you know, if you're honest with yourself, that's.
00:07:02
Torben Rothgeb
you you accept the fact of, oh, that my mine was a silver and that's about what I got. I think that's fine, you know. And, know, if you're a trophy hound, I mean, I suppose you'd like going to something that is a judge show as well because you can win more awards.
00:07:17
Torben Rothgeb
So, you know, I like the NNLs a lot, but it's just a different kind of – just a different type of voting, that's all. so Yeah, yeah, yeah. ah Yeah, i like to ah you know I like to approach it in the way of when I was younger and I might go out to a bar with my friends.
00:07:36
Torben Rothgeb
And, ah you know, it'd be great ah to meet somebody the opposite sex and and hit it off. um But just knowing that those ah if you go to the you go out expecting that every night, you're going to be disappointed. Right. And so it's nice when it happens.
00:07:53
Torben Rothgeb
And, ah you know, the same with when you go to a contest. And if you win something, it's nice when it happens. But if you go there every every show expecting to win, you're probably going to be disappointed and you're probably going to you know leave.
00:08:06
Torben Rothgeb
you know, feeling bad more often than not. It depends on, you know, someone like you, probably, we're always hitting it off, so, but at least, you know, you were in a band, so that was just a natural. Well, there is that. There is that aphodesiac. The boys in the band. Right. I mean, and, yeah, it's interesting. They have many different types of awards there, you know, and it's, yeah,
00:08:32
Torben Rothgeb
It's amazing. they They like to give out awards there. And that's fine. Yeah. Kudos to them. And it is, I kind of like in the Wisconsin Show Milwaukee where you know different people have ah put ah awards for people who maybe passed on or you know you know thinking. And that's you know a call back to some of their former club members. It's a nice thing to do to honor people.
00:08:58
Torben Rothgeb
um You know, but... You know, probably ah you need that right mix. whereas is like Right. And I think we're a competitive species. That's just the way it By nature. By nature, I think that's the way it is.
00:09:15
Torben Rothgeb
And you're never going to be really satisfied. You're going to get skunked at some shows. some Some shows you'll rake it in and you'll just go, what? What was that about? you know so And then other you some things are head scratching. But, you know, what we do is a form of art and And like they've always said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. yeah Absolutely. So ah you just ah in it you never know what you know what's going to happen. so But that's what makes it, you know, that's what creates the drama and makes it competition.
00:09:48
Torben Rothgeb
Competition, yeah. Right? Yeah.
Model Building Challenges and Techniques
00:09:51
Torben Rothgeb
And speaking of competition, I had the 24-hour challenge. i could not talk to you guys into it. um Nope. I did put my hat in the is it hat in the race, hat in the ring. ring Hat in the ring.
00:10:05
Torben Rothgeb
I did put my hat in the ring. mom And some people ask, why would you do a twenty four hour challenge? Well, ah for me, you're giving up one day. Now, mind you, it is a long day, but it's one day of your life.
00:10:19
Torben Rothgeb
And you can, you know, the it's kind of like ah carpe diem, seize the day. And, you know, it's one day and you're going to take, ah you know, probably a car that you've always wanted to build.
00:10:33
Torben Rothgeb
And you're just going to set that aside and hey godam you put everything else aside, even sleep. Even eating. and And you're just going to get this car done no matter what.
00:10:44
Torben Rothgeb
And yeah you talk about competition. It's kind of a ah nice challenge as well. So I always enjoy trying to do that. um This year I fell a little short.
00:10:55
Torben Rothgeb
um you know And I think in the past I've maybe talked about the different rules of the 24-hour challenge. ah you know Things like ah you need one color, minimal bare metal foil,
00:11:08
Torben Rothgeb
probably not a great big decal you know thing. um Something I might have if I really want to start doing this in 24 hours, um not polishing. And I have a hard time doing that. And it's funny because we all have our different filters.
00:11:22
Torben Rothgeb
And while I don't consider myself a competitive builder, When I set out on a project, I'm not thinking about winning. at the same time, it's hard for me not to polish a paint job, but that might be something I just need to do and just, you know, spray bomb it or even airbrush it and leave it because it does. It is hard to find the time, even with the dehydrator, to polish it. But yeah.
00:11:45
Torben Rothgeb
But anyhow, I broke a a fatal rule of using enamel paint. And I think we all remember as kids ah painting that gas tank silver chrome and then inevitably sticking our thumbnail in the middle of it because it took...
00:12:00
Torben Rothgeb
No, never. to dry and so um But I had this true match paint. I'd always wanted to build a NASCAR truck. So i was doing a Jack Sprague NASCAR truck and it was sponsored by Quaker State.
00:12:13
Torben Rothgeb
And I had, you know, at Model Empire, they had all these old true match colors. And oddly enough, even though the cans were lacquer, um the bottles were enamel.
00:12:24
Torben Rothgeb
But I thought if I mixed it enough with the self-leveling thinner from Mr. Hobby, it would dry. um But it just didn't even I had it two hours in the dehydrator and it still didn't dry enough for me to polish it. So but I polished it and looked weird.
00:12:40
Torben Rothgeb
um So then I thought as I would clear it with the UV Mr. Hobby spray can. and And ah I was doing good, too.
00:12:51
Torben Rothgeb
And I've I've come up with a new ah I've tried a new strategy on painting. I noticed over the years when I'm ah polishing out a body, I have a lot more problems on the trunk, the roof, and the hood.
00:13:08
Torben Rothgeb
And I remembered something from the Bill Coulter book where he was talking about stands for painting a kit. And he would hang the car upside down. thought, well, that's the most stupid thing. And at the time I was using a hanger thing. So I thought I'd dump the car on the ground and painting it.
00:13:22
Torben Rothgeb
But um the reason he was doing that is because when you have the paint on the trunk and the roof, ah you have gravity working against you. It just sits there and it pulls and you have more chance. And then you also have more things like dust and stuff landing on it.
00:13:40
Torben Rothgeb
So what I have been doing when I've been spraying now is I've been doing it in two different times. I will turn the body upside down. So I'm facing the trunk and the roof and the hood and I'll spray it and then I'll leave the car sideways.
00:13:57
Torben Rothgeb
So then the gravity is kind of pulling it down as it dries and there's not a landing zone for a lot of dust and hair. And I'd put that under, you know, a covering and then wait a couple minutes and then I'd paint the side of the car and leave that like that.
00:14:12
Torben Rothgeb
um And that was working for me. But for some reason, when I cleared it. I cleared it and I left it just like I used to leave it where I had the body.
00:14:22
Torben Rothgeb
And then um the only place where it gave me trouble is where I was sitting on the roof. And these trucks have a bunch of the back area, what would normally be a pickup bed, but it's just a cover of that.
00:14:34
Torben Rothgeb
And that crazed out on me. some. And so, and that was about hour 12. And then I threw in the towel, which was too bad because physically i was doing the best I'd ever done because I really managed my nutrition really well.
00:14:50
Torben Rothgeb
What you want to do is you want to eat a pretty big meal early on, you still got some energy and Leah had put together a big meal. And so I'd eaten early on, and then I was going to rely on pop tarts and coffee and candy and chocolate bars uh and so and uh you know a couple of energy drinks and yeah and then i was uh really doing good so even when i after i threw in the towel i was awake for another hour or two at three or four in the morning because i was yes that's so you started another model yeah thinking about the corn holio uh beavis and butthead you some still bouncing off the walls uh i should have when i am corn holio Later, I thought, I have a couple other of these NASCAR trucks. I should have just gone out to the garage. That's where I keep some of them.
00:15:38
Torben Rothgeb
um and i i should have i shouldve just changed I should have done an Earnhardt one and painted it black. Tamiya Black would have dried it. but i didn't um But there's always next year.
00:15:50
Torben Rothgeb
And the nice thing, even though I didn't make it, I have another stalled project. I don't know if that's nice, but I still have a better chance of good doing the last 40% of a NASCAR track than if I'd never started. All right. again All right. So that's the 24 hour challenge for me. um You know, another thing, if you're a race fan like me, um you're kind of jonesing out for racing. So getting to watch the 24 hour um is, is somewhat entertaining, even though I wouldn't say a Derms racing is my favorite type of racing, but it is, it's something to watch. But, uh,
00:16:23
Torben Rothgeb
So that was a 24-hour challenge back in January. Way back. Way back, yes. Way back in January. We're almost getting through February. Hopefully we're going to get through this cold snap and we'll be done with the below zero stuff. Hopefully.
00:16:37
Torben Rothgeb
so um So what are moving on ah as far as shows, we have you guys are heading off to the Madison show March 15th.
00:16:51
Torben Rothgeb
I am with the Hallidays. Okay, fun, fun. So just a one-day show. But, yeah, no, it's ah it's an IPMS event that Mad City Modelers puts on. been doing it for a long time.
00:17:05
Torben Rothgeb
It's in the Monando or whatever, the Frank Lloyd Wright building, which is fantastic. Beautiful building. And, yeah, it's it's I think it's a good time of the year to go, hopefully.
00:17:19
Torben Rothgeb
And, yeah, it's I'm looking forward to I've never been to that show. so Should be fun. Then right after that, you're heading to... The Motor City Madness. Thank you. The greatest world's greatest... Yes.
00:17:34
Torben Rothgeb
In the history of civilization. The biggest collection of vendors with over 300 vending tables. If you can dream it, it will show up on one of these vending tables.
00:17:45
Torben Rothgeb
And I will be traveling with John ah Zweber. So we'll be traveling at speed of light. He has his radar detector Although he won't be driving his BMW. He's going to be renting.
00:17:57
Torben Rothgeb
Right. And you'll have your backup driver in the back seat. Yes, we'll have Chad ready to go on standby. Yes. So we're looking forward to that. um I will try not to spend too much money. I was good at the Hope It Don't Snow.
00:18:12
Torben Rothgeb
I did not buy anything as far as kit related. But there wasn't 300 vendor tables. No. i think I still think you should do a podcast on the road. Well, i can we we already lost our battery here earlier tonight, so I don't know. um anyway so We'd have to have Wi-Fi on the road. i Not if you're just recording it.
00:18:35
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. You can just record it on your phone. Record it on your phone, and then you can play it back. yeah Yeah. do that Yeah. It's just a thought. I mean, you could get John involved. You never know. He could be the next superstar. Well, you know, John has had, I think, we had our most plays on John's Webber show.
00:18:52
Torben Rothgeb
Really? Where he was talking about his techniques for painting his national champion. Cleaning out the tank. My new rest. ah boy I think that's up there for me. Most at a podcast. yes well you know And it's hard as you get older, you hate to sound like your dad.
00:19:16
Torben Rothgeb
and And it's a great ah commercial where the insurance talk about turning into your parents. But it's inevitable on so many things. And so, ah yes, whenever my kids are complaining, it's hard not to break out some of those really bad jobs I had.
00:19:31
Torben Rothgeb
And at the time, making $4.35 an hour. And, ah you know, but and but there you know there you are. And then at after that one, after the Detroit show, there is the Milwaukee show.
00:19:45
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. May, and i know we're going to be going to that, we hope. Yes, and that is May third yeah And May 3rd, so the show, is we go there on Friday, and we go to hobby shops and then spend some convivial time with all of our friends there. And then Saturday is the show.
00:20:01
Torben Rothgeb
They've cut it down by an hour, which is a wise choice. And then... How are they going to edit out the music? They might have to cut out some of the classic rock. That would be tradition. You can't do that. You can't step on that.
00:20:14
Torben Rothgeb
Maybe this is the year they do away with Hotel California or Brown Sugar. was thinking, you know, it's Free Bird. They can spend that. And then the next day is the swap meet, which is great because it is a swap meet.
00:20:26
Torben Rothgeb
Torben and I and Jim have all spent. Copious amounts of money. I think you'll be disappointed, but that's okay. This is going to be at the same little convention center at the round place.
00:20:38
Torben Rothgeb
ah So it'll be good. It'll be fun time. Well, and look at Happy Hobbies. Let the record show that I bought and built ah the 29-4 from the Happy Hobbies.
00:20:49
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, you did? Found a couple of deals there. Yeah, right. I know. And even though I didn't build it, I got another Dodge pickup, ah like Bigfoot. yeah okay You know, I saw one of those on eBay for about $70, so I was feeling pretty good.
00:21:04
Torben Rothgeb
I got mine for $20. It doesn't have that happy hobby no smell that permeates the box. Luckily, mine didn't have a box. It's not burned or wet. Right. Yeah.
00:21:15
Torben Rothgeb
And then two weeks after that is our NNL, and we're looking forward it to our 27th year. May 18th. May 18th. Be there. Be there. Be square in our new venue. Yes, at beautiful Inver Grove Heights.
00:21:29
Torben Rothgeb
um
00:21:32
Torben Rothgeb
8055 Barbara Eden Avenue. and in Barbara Eden Avenue. Yes, I dream of a teeny. No, it's not. It's All right. And what do we have for themes? We got anything special? 57 Heaven um from our our boys at MCCM. We're going to be putting that together. i got my 57 together. Hopefully, I'll i'll have that. wonder what Randy's working on.
00:21:59
Torben Rothgeb
I don't know, man. I'll have to, I know he'll he'll be listening. He's my number one fan. He's an Uber fan. Yes. We're going to to get some gear printed out. Uh, you know, the uh, yes. Tiny car.
00:22:14
Torben Rothgeb
And, uh, And actually, the guy that Dale Jr. was interviewing, the big YouTuber, he he talked about that was important. He said, it doesn't matter what you have behind the door if you're not getting people to that door. and so What a philosopher. He is quite a philosopher. Philosopher, yes.
00:22:34
Torben Rothgeb
So what we got, we got a best road car. That's the Canadian guys. um Now, help me out here. As far as a road car, would that be anything? i mean, because...
00:22:45
Torben Rothgeb
Well, let's just put it this way. Who's won that award the last, I think, six years in a row? you know who that is? Six years in a row. Oh, really? It's like at least three. I think it's close. Steve Goosman. Okay, so it's factory stock. So it's factory stock, pseudo muscle car, you know, road car. That's what they designate. Okay, maybe that's Canadian terminology. Yeah, it's, you know, A.
00:23:12
Torben Rothgeb
a Yes. Right. So we cover the competition. NCCM has their award. And then there's the road car. roadwood Yes. Yeah. And the best competition vehicle. Okay.
00:23:25
Torben Rothgeb
Good. Good. Now, you know, speaking of that, I was ah on the model car forum. And ah steve ah Steve Guthmiller had a great tip on there.
00:23:37
Torben Rothgeb
um This brings us to our newest segment, Torben's Tips. because feel Because you just thought of it right now. I just thought If we had a re i so on today if we had a real show, we'd have a little sound bite that would go with Torben's Tips. Thank you. Brought to you by...
00:23:59
Torben Rothgeb
But this one was taken from Steve Gutmiller. He had, you know, when you do the bare metal foiling, and one of the least favorite ones for me is around the wheel openings on muscle cars. I don't know why they even did that. What was the purpose of that?
00:24:14
Torben Rothgeb
Because it looked cool, guess. You think it looked cool? i don't know. Anyway, so a lot of muscle cars, like your 70s Chevelles, would have the bare metal foil around the wheel openings. Mm-hmm.
00:24:25
Torben Rothgeb
Well, so Steve Guthmiller, who built just incredible stock vehicles, um or as they call it in Canada, road cars, what he would do to do the bare metal foil around the wheel openings is he took masking tape.
00:24:43
Torben Rothgeb
um So he would put the bare, I think he puts the bare metal foil on first. So if I had the wheel opening, I'd put it all the way around the bare metal foil. And then I would take like Tamiya masking tape and just kind of circle it around the edges.
00:24:57
Torben Rothgeb
And then I'll take my blade and that'll keep the blade going. in a straight circle around the wheel opening. So I saw that and I thought that was a good tip. So this was his tip, though. This is Steve Guth. So it's really not Torben's tips.
00:25:13
Torben Rothgeb
We'll be doing next podcast. Dealing with copyright infringements. Yes. Steve's lawyer is calling you right now. Or as Tyler calls him, the goose. The goose, yes.
00:25:29
Torben Rothgeb
ah Ceased and desist. for that one. But that was a great tip. Moving along. And that's an area of bare-mouth foil that I don't look forward to. Actually, speaking of bare-mouth foiling, on my current project, which you'll notice, which one I'm doing the Corvette Grand Sport.
00:25:47
Torben Rothgeb
right Now, ah instead of bare-mouth foil, ah the window openings on those are black. right Now, here is my conundrum is that...
00:26:01
Torben Rothgeb
um if I would have painted the black first and then cleared over the whole car, the black would be way too shiny. it would right What color black do you want? Well, I want like a flat black. Semi-gloss. Semi-gloss black.
00:26:14
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. Sharpie, man. Sharpie. Sharpie. You think a Sharpie would be the best? Yes. Okay. That's a little nerve-wracking, especially going over the decals. Well, yeah, going over the decals, but if you do it.
00:26:26
Torben Rothgeb
carefully now do you guys uh you you don't traditionally clear over your decals no no and i don't clear this would be a good air model either no question for john uh as weber who clears over a lot of stuff everything i'm wondering if i'm gonna if i clear that and then mask it off and paint the flat black will the tape pull the decals off or will the clear over the decals be enough that the masking tape would not pull it off. It depends on what clear you use, and it depends on what masking tape you use. Right.
00:27:02
Torben Rothgeb
And it depends on if it's a 24-hour pin. Well, you know, you have a good point, though. What I could do is I could just use the Sharpie even Just where the stripes are. That's what I would do. You'll never go back, honestly.
00:27:17
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Use the thick-headed sharp, you know, the sharp point. Okay. and It is still kind of shiny. and Not really. It's not bad. The thing is you could still put, like, something else over that if you wanted to do with, like, dull coat. or um I don't think, you know, there's there's a couple ways you can do it. You could do it on the inside of the glass.
00:27:40
Torben Rothgeb
You know, on inside of the frame, then it's not going to show up as shiny. On the inside of glass. Well, I'm thinking the door trim. It's on the bottom. You're talking about the trim around the windows. Well, yeah, it's on the trim, so you have to do on the outside. But I don't think it's going to be that noticeable that it's not that shiny.
00:27:58
Torben Rothgeb
Right. It's really not. um That's my experience. okay It worked well on the Mobius kits because, you know, they put the windows on the outside. And that's that's the only way you can do it it. actually looks really nice because that's the way the real cars are.
00:28:14
Torben Rothgeb
Right. You know, they have that rubber trim around them. Our buddy Paul Johnson paints all those airbrushes in black. black chrome trim, the ye and many masks over the the bare metal, I mean the trim and then he sprays the paint. And that's what I've been doing on this Nissan I'm working on now the side.
00:28:34
Torben Rothgeb
The side windows, I've got all black trim, and I just sprayed it, and then I masked over it, and I sprayed the body. Okay. And it came out. I mean, there's some that touch-up you have to do, but it's not bad. Speaking of touch-up, and I have used the Sharpie for the NASCAR windows on the inside of the glass.
00:28:49
Torben Rothgeb
um But on the body, if I do that, what is the best? Is alcohol the best thing to take off Sharpie? I don't know. I know where you use it. so Yeah, you could you could do that. You've got to be really careful with alcohol, depending on what paint you use and stuff. Yeah.
00:29:03
Torben Rothgeb
Or is there something else that would take off Sharpie marker? Yeah, you can try. um Use the Novus plastic polish. Okay. Use that. Use number two. That might take it off. Okay. Use like a um Q-tip.
00:29:15
Torben Rothgeb
if And, you know they have the smaller Q-tips. Yeah. You just be really careful and it'll it'll take it right off. and Okay. Okay. Yeah. ah Cool. Well, then I suppose you could even use some masking tape and use the Sharpie.
00:29:28
Torben Rothgeb
Yes, you could. Yeah. All right. Well, and that is a seamless transition into what we are working on. So i'm I'm working on that Corvette Grand Sport. There it is. Finally got the Indy car done.
00:29:42
Torben Rothgeb
Very nice. Thank you. Thank you. um What are you guys working on? I have two things I'm working on right now. I've got another 43rd from Tameo. It's Nigel Mansell's Ferrari from 1989. And that getting there.
00:29:58
Torben Rothgeb
and that one so that one's getting there And I'm working on the White Elephant. I couldn't let Bob and Dean get too far ahead of me in the finish the White Elephant. So I have a Nissan GT4, GTR4 race car from 2005, Japanese touring car.
00:30:14
Torben Rothgeb
It's a Chamiya kit. Chassis built up in a few days. It was really easy. Painted the body. Now it's a matter of just letting it dry and putting decals on. It'll be done in a month. So those are the two things I'm working on. And then I started my Five Alive project.
00:30:27
Torben Rothgeb
okay So the 55 Chevy is my next thing. Nice. Marshall Tink's car. Okay. So I'm working on the Torino Talladega Polar Lights. Actually segued into the Richard Petty version.
00:30:41
Torben Rothgeb
ahhu So I'm doing the 100th Win car, which was a Talladega. Okay. The 7-Up sponsored Torino. And then I'm also working on my 5 Alive as well.
00:30:54
Torben Rothgeb
the tiny lund uh wing car the daytona and then i've got the stalled project which is the porsche 550 spider which is it's a great kit but it has its issues so um okay cool not for the faint of art no it's not so and you torven Well, as we mentioned, the Corvette Grand Sport, um which, ah you know, ah the hood took forever with the photo edge parts. But it really is. It's nice ah when it pays off.
00:31:28
Torben Rothgeb
Because when I was doing that, i was like, never am I ever going to build this again. And then I got it done and painted. It's like, man, um there's a couple other versions I'd like to do. um So um that's going good. I'm going to have my fingers crossed ah clearing it with the decals. I'm going to try to go a couple light coats.
00:31:48
Torben Rothgeb
Those cartograph decals or something on those. They're nice. You know, kudos to accurate miniatures. I do feel kind of bad. Yeah. That they didn't get more mileage out of that or they didn't weren't able to build a few more kits because it is really nice quality.
00:32:06
Torben Rothgeb
You know, I their intentions were good when they came out with those kits. um You know, one thing I also think I'm going to do. And maybe the purists won't like it, but ah you were nice enough to give me your accurate miniature ones or lend it to me, ah you know.
00:32:23
Torben Rothgeb
um And it does sit kind of high, and I know the one-to-one sat kind of high. It sat kind high, yeah. I'm going to adjust just a little bit. It's not going to have a super rake, but I think I'm going to raise up the front wheels just a little bit.
00:32:37
Torben Rothgeb
just to give it kind of an aggressive stance. You know, but if you look at that picture, that has kind of a lower stance. Well, it's going into the corner. It's, be you know, yeah it's like it's in process. ah You know, personally, i I would. You would just leave it. Yeah, i think it. I don't like the height on the, know, the way the kit car is sat.
00:32:58
Torben Rothgeb
I think it looks but like that. It looks a lot better because it's. It's not the most attractive Corvette that they've ever raced. No, it's not. And I think that's part of the reason why it didn't sell as much as maybe the other stuff did. And then then all the model car guys, especially the guys that don't build and like to bitch, they're the ones who went, oh, my God, this is unbuildable.
00:33:21
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, I can't build this. Oh, I have to fill these these suspension tubes. Then the McLaren comes out, and that people went on and on about I mean, how many of those have you seen built? Not many. Not many. Muggsy did.
00:33:32
Torben Rothgeb
Well, he built the MPC one. He didn't build the... So Chris Vick and Scott Harvey are the only guys that built the Accurate Miniatures ones, and never seen anyone else build one.
00:33:44
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. I mean, I look at some guys who love those kinds of models. Right. Klesik. Yeah. john He never built one? never built one. That's surprising. And Klesik also has no... ah He has no motivation to do the Salvino's one either.
00:34:01
Torben Rothgeb
Which, you know, I would think if that's your brand of racing, you would do it. You mean the Indy car? The Indy car. No, it hasn't. Yeah. It's not a price point thing?
00:34:12
Torben Rothgeb
No. No. i mean Because he could get fine scale to do a. Right. But he's not. That's interesting. No. So. Well. And having built the Indy one, I do wish that it would have been 125th or 124th scale um because it is the the actual one-to-one car is so big, I think it would have looked better. Well, the model is huge. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. yeah so It looks like a 116. You could have brought the placement.
00:34:43
Torben Rothgeb
point down on it too if you would have done in the smaller scale and maybe it maybe make it a bit simpler yeah yeah absolutely make it make the body those all those body panels you can say that were tricky because yeah because i built one and it was just you know it was tricky i mean and and i unfortunately built mine next door to my lola from 93 and it was like it was like it was a bad comparison because the to me it just went and well you built it first which yeah which was my mistake you know well now and you are one and done on that project one and um I would not say one and done.
00:35:16
Torben Rothgeb
If I did it again, I would not do any of the stuff that goes underneath the car. So yeah you wouldn't paint it either, right? Well, depending on the paint job. But if I did another New Garden one, yeah, i wouldn't have painted the white because it's all decals.
00:35:30
Torben Rothgeb
i I have the Kyle Larson car you know with the McLaren. or it's Papaya. Well, and it's molded in the papaya. Okay. And there's blue And the blue is a decal. Oh, and the blue? Yeah, the blue has some... Actually, some blue pieces, too.
00:35:45
Torben Rothgeb
Uh-huh. So yeah you could... In theory, you could do without painting. Huh? There you go. yeah I don't know I'm just... yeah when I might not paint it. And then I would glue all the – because if you look at the picture of the car, there's no lines you know on the body, you know the sides, and I don't know. talking about the body panels? Yeah, the body panels. you know The way – With the new garden car and your car, you can see the cracks in between the different three pieces. There actual lines there. Okay, well, think they're a lot bigger. They're more pronounced. They're more pronounced the things. Right, I would have had just that body as one piece, and we could just open that up with a blade a little bit and then just drop it down.
00:36:30
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, it's like it's like I built enough of the, I think, AMT or Revell IndyCar kits that they – they they they're they've got their own problems. Oh, he's not believing you. Now he's going to dig out his reference material.
00:36:47
Torben Rothgeb
No, no. I'm just... ah No, I do believe you. I'm just saying it's not nearly... It's not nearly as ah pronounced.
00:36:59
Torben Rothgeb
So if I look at this, um i I think, you know, like... Maybe you're correct. I mean... i'll grab ah You know, look at that picture. Well, I don't... yeaht To be honest, Torben, I don't think the picture is really – doesn't show it enough. This piece stays, and this piece comes off on the real car.
00:37:18
Torben Rothgeb
you know I think it's hard to see with the white. It's hard to see with the white there. I still think it's – Now, I know this is great podcasting because nobody can see anything that we're talking about.
00:37:29
Torben Rothgeb
But notice you can see the lines a lot bigger. And what would these be called anyway? Well, these are like the fenders they have, those rear fenders they put on it. Now, you do see the lines, but now you don't see the lines on the actual car there. Well, see, that back part, I glued to that one, and I filled it.
00:37:48
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. you know So this is what I'm saying. If I was to do it again, i would glue all of this stuff. I don't think it looks that bad. No, it looks nice. I mean, the panel lines to me aren't that bad. Because these ones going this way are on the rear Because they have a purpose. Yeah, they do. And that's what they're going to show. I think it looks really good. You know, I think, like you said, having to sand the mirrors and the camera. mean, there's a lot of things. But, you know, glad it's there. I didn't think you ever said so many.
00:38:20
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, let's face it. We've all built novels that are just like. Yeah, you want to sell them against the wall. want to sell them against the wall. That's all right. Let's move on.
Model Car Magazines and Critiques
00:38:27
Torben Rothgeb
You know, and as a person who loves and appreciates what Salvino's does, and if you had told me six or seven years ago somebody would start a NASCAR just model building thing, I would say you're crazy because, you know, they go for $5 most of them.
00:38:45
Torben Rothgeb
um So I'm really happy that they've made it and been successful. But I worry about them as far as, you know, we are the only two cars that I've seen built other than Clay Kemps and, you know, who works for them too.
00:39:02
Torben Rothgeb
Jay Savary's. um And Jay Savary's. But you don't see a lot of these. No, you don't. and then When you go to the shows and you guys go to more Madison and when you go to Detroit.
00:39:13
Torben Rothgeb
Cal will probably have his down I would think. and then we And then the Milwaukee show. We'll see how many of them are Yeah. me that hate We'll see.
00:39:25
Torben Rothgeb
Maybe Wayne Puffer will get one done. It's not a handy. That's small part. Yeah, right.
00:39:33
Torben Rothgeb
But apparently he really did a great description on the car that he built. You guys went to the meeting Milwaukee. I didn't go to the meeting. We were watching Chad. I was in the Chad mode at that point.
00:39:47
Torben Rothgeb
But the funny thing is that John thought we were the lucky ones. Well, apparently he went on and on about that. That's matter of opinion.
00:39:59
Torben Rothgeb
So... yeah Anyway, it's a sore point with Jim. Not at all. No. Sure. Right. i lie It should be. Is that your Carmen Ghia? Kermit Ghia.
00:40:16
Torben Rothgeb
oh Bob still has the wounds of the Volkswagen Challenge. The bus. I did the Jagermeister bus. And then Eric did. And Eric did a beautiful job on his Kermit Ghia.
00:40:28
Torben Rothgeb
And they they were announcing the winners. I look over and Bob is practicing his award speech. And he's straightened up this thing. and he's getting a He's got the mirror out. And they said, best Volkswagen, Eric. Eric.
00:40:44
Torben Rothgeb
Anyways, Eric's a very good builder. Not that you are. right but Yeah, but no, we've all been there. We've all been there. didn't see that coming.
00:40:56
Torben Rothgeb
But no, with the Salvinos and with their new NASCAR ones too, you don't see nearly as many of those built either because it just – The sad ah thing of it is it it takes a long time. And, you know, time is our most valuable commodity. Absolutely.
00:41:12
Torben Rothgeb
And they're spreading themselves too thin. That's my opinion. Yeah. well Well, when they first started, they were going to build old cars. And they catering to old NASCAR fans. And you can't blame them for getting this, you know even like with this new Dale Jr. car. right you know They have the exclusive rights to that, and that's going to make them some money.
00:41:35
Torben Rothgeb
There will probably be a lot of non-model car builders that may be big Dale Jr. fans. They're taking pre-orders as we speak. Jim Rogers is by the phone, ready to take your phone. get on the subbino Did they do the Camaro that ran at Le Mans?
00:41:51
Torben Rothgeb
No. Well, Jim printed out 3D parts. Yeah, there's 3D parts available you want a kitbash. I know how much you love kitbashing. Oh, that I'm not going to do that. No, no. No. um yeah But, no, I just... ah The buildability of some of those building makes it... Worries... Well, John went to the Acme show in Atlanta.
00:42:13
Torben Rothgeb
And we're in the South. yeah So, you look across the table, there's 800 models. There's ton of NASCARs. but that's good. Maybe... Maybe an eighth of them were the new models, the new NASCAs.
00:42:27
Torben Rothgeb
The vast majority were the repops of the monogram kits and the 90s ones. And there just weren't a lot of the new ones. There's a few, but not many. Yeah. Well, you know, in me building the ah petty Petty different cars, and I was doing some newer retro Petty schemes, and I did the Revell Ford Fusion, you know, that came out with the Danica Patrick ones. I had decals for a Smithfield one. um So I was building that the last NASCAR kit that Revell did.
00:42:57
Torben Rothgeb
um And at the same time, I was doing the Martin Truex Toyota. um And well, one of them got done and one of them is still a stalled project. Which is the Truex car. The Revell one just went together but so much better.
00:43:11
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, one, just having it now I'm going to sound like not a modeler. the but the pre-painted windows with the black painted, you know, say what you want, but that's, you know, that's another five hours of decaling on the windows, you know, and a much simpler chassis, but hey, once you get that car on, you're not seeing much of the chassis anyway.
00:43:34
Torben Rothgeb
So, um you know, just the simplicity of it, that's, I kind of worry with some of them. Yeah. And, and what we Well, I'm segwaying into something I was going to talk about. i' just watched it today. Clay Kemp just did a video on applying decals to a Martin Truex Toyota.
00:43:51
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. And this is the... Bass Pro Shops. Bass Pro Shops version. And he goes through the whole process of it. It's very it's very well done.
00:44:02
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. um But like I said, it could help you move along your stalled project. Well, you know, I have that the decals done on that. Yeah, well, that's that's where he...
00:44:14
Torben Rothgeb
You know, I think he excels at stuff like that. Oh, Clay is phenomenal. It'd be like if somebody was doing a YouTube video. Michael Jordan was doing a YouTube video on dunking a basketball. ah and you get You know, I think I could do that 360 double hammer dunk if I get the new Air Jordans on. And then you go out to the the gym and it's not done. Bubba won the... Yes. yeah so ah But no, I do have the decals. And here's the thing that I find...
00:44:43
Torben Rothgeb
And I know this is probably my short attention span. Yeah, you said we were going to have a short show. I see the sun's coming up. Hey, I'm the only one that has to work tomorrow. But...
00:44:59
Torben Rothgeb
but
00:45:03
Torben Rothgeb
um You know, what I have is what I consider if my motivation to build a kit, I have 20 to really good hours. wow I'm feeling good. This model is going to kick ass. I'm having so much fun.
00:45:19
Torben Rothgeb
And then about I hit a kind of wall and start to slow down. This is, I guess I'll keep going and going. And then usually like the last five, 10 hours is just like, seems like kind of a job.
00:45:32
Torben Rothgeb
But like when you start to add these hours, like some of these Salvino's kits does, then it it makes, ah you know, it makes your chances of getting it built better.
00:45:45
Torben Rothgeb
you know, less, less likely. And I do get, I got the Indy kit done, but it took a lot longer. And by the time I got there, it's almost not that I know anything about giving birth, but what I would perceive as giving birth, you know, um, to where I just, no, I don't want to hold the baby, get the damn thing away from me. I am just worn out. And oh yeah um anybody we know,
00:46:12
Torben Rothgeb
But, you know.
00:46:18
Torben Rothgeb
No, I don't think so. i did Speaking of that, I didn't do the best parenting this last week. I was roped together with April talking about Torben Jr.'s college choices, and we went down a rabbit hole. Oh, you really are going down a rabbit hole. Let's get back onto the podcast. Let's get back on track. Holy man.
00:46:43
Torben Rothgeb
Speaking of that, I don't know if you guys – ah looked at the IPMS this month. They had a fantastic article.
00:46:55
Torben Rothgeb
um that And from some of our listeners in ah Tokyo or New Zealand that might not get the IPMS journal, um basically the guy was talking about right two different kinds and please stop two different kinds of model builders.
00:47:14
Torben Rothgeb
um He talked about the – he could have gotten a little more creative with this, the first name though, the One Builders. And the bench bombers. And the one builders are what I call model builders who religiously build one model at a time. Scott Gladstein.
00:47:31
Torben Rothgeb
Scott Gladstein. Right. Yeah. Absolutely. um And then the bench bombers ah who steadfastly the practice are wide and diversified. um And then ah they have multiple projects going at various stages of incompletion. Mm-hmm.
00:47:48
Torben Rothgeb
um And so um I am very much a bench bomber. yeah Bob, what would you consider yourself? I'm closer to the one thing, but I always have at least two going.
00:47:59
Torben Rothgeb
Because, you know, paint's drying on one, you can work on the other, or I will do two different genres. Depends on if you're building a 56 Ford pickup. for crew yeah it's this you know It depends, right? Honestly, it depends on the subject matter. Well, just put throw that that Salvino's IndyCar into the mix. I mean, there's no way in God's greener that's going to be what do you call it?
00:48:24
Torben Rothgeb
one-hit wonder? No, a one-builder. One-hit-against-the-wall wonder? Yeah. yeah no wait No way. Not unless you're, you know... Scott Gladstone. No, i was going to say not unless you're Bill Reed building the Corvette for Revell for fine scale. Right, yeah. it's you know You have a reason you have to build it.
00:48:44
Torben Rothgeb
But you have to. Well, no, that makes it more difficult. It does make Because you have a deadline. And there's a lot of... pressure in the line to get it done. You can't hide it with 2K clear.
00:48:56
Torben Rothgeb
and you know it's right you know, it's hard. And kudos to Gladstein because he is a true one builder. He is. I think he's always been that way, actually. Yes. to do ah anything I actually have that kit because that's the one. oh god A while back, Gladstein emailed me about building a NASCAR kit. right and Because he had apparently worked for Banquet.
00:49:19
Torben Rothgeb
Banquet chicken, yeah. yeah And they sponsored a Terry Labonte Budweiser car. What a combination, banquet dinners and Budweiser. um Probably is a good, popular the trailer parks.
00:49:30
Torben Rothgeb
But anyway, yeah but they sponsored a Terry Labonte. That are actually sitting in in their trailer. With a Budweiser and a banquet dinner going. right now it sounds pretty good. at that So, you're looking for it. And I helped.
00:49:46
Torben Rothgeb
and they jail So he had, they had a whole, ah what what do you call it? Like ah at one of the racetracks, they had um like a party pavilion for all the workers from Banquet.
00:49:58
Torben Rothgeb
And so Scott went to this NASCAR race and he even got to meet Terry Labonte. Right. um And so then he wanted to build. and so he built one of those cars and I gave him some advice. I think I made him i gave him a kit because it was one of those 89 to 93. Yeah.
00:50:15
Torben Rothgeb
Not that you don't have a baker's desk. Yes. So I gave him one. And then I don't know why. Sometimes I just i i say stuff I shouldn't say. but No. you Well, man, Scott, if you're going build a NASCAR, I should build a Hupply car.
00:50:32
Torben Rothgeb
ah yeah what You didn't say that. he gave me choice. So he gave me a choice. And the was the one he gave me.
00:50:41
Torben Rothgeb
oh so he gave me a choice and that the woody wagon was the one he gave me And so and I was going to give the old college try. I broke it out and holy hell, if you think there's like plastic, what do they call it? Like a lot of those joe lock kits where they had like overshooting.
00:50:59
Torben Rothgeb
ah So like flash, flash. You think there's a lot of flash on a plastic kit. This this guy then has class and you could cut your throat open with this flash. That's why we call them flash class. Yes.
00:51:13
Torben Rothgeb
And so I got that. I looked at that one time. It's just like, there' and man, this is going back in the box. It's going back in the box. And it was funny. We had in the MSM club, we brought our scariest kits.
00:51:26
Torben Rothgeb
And I brought that ugly thing. And that was by far the scariest kit oh yeah that name anybody had. Oh, yeah. so And that was the same kit that Gladstein built as a one builder. He built that all the way through and cut out the metal and put all real wood. Mm-hmm. in this metal thing. So kudos to him. And it's going to be published.
00:51:43
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. Justifiably so. It's a great model. It really is. Absolutely. All right. Well, ah boy, this show is just flying along here. We're already up to new releases. It's only 11.30.
00:51:57
Torben Rothgeb
Now, help me out with this pronunciation on this. If I look at the box, where are we out here it would be SS Lasher or SS Slasher. Basically, it's a 71 Chevelle or 72 for the life of me. You could explain this to me a hundred times.
00:52:16
Torben Rothgeb
I know one of them on the side marker lights on the front of the car. It's like one light, and then there's a little strip and makes it two lights. I believe it's a 72, but I could be wrong. Okay. Okay. It doesn't matter, really. And they were talking on the yeah well they were knock the see ah Spotlight Hobby about how to make it into the heavy Chevy version of a 71 Cheville, which would be what? A 350? It had, because it coincided with Buick. It has special decals.
00:52:47
Torben Rothgeb
Don't go to sleep yet. I'm getting ready to do the cooter tow truck. Yeah, well, he'll be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed when you start talking about that. No, it's a spsh it was a special version that Chevrolet did. Now, were those white and yellow like the Oldsmobile's?
00:53:02
Torben Rothgeb
I don't know. No, no, no, no. Okay. No, I think it's more just some decals. Heavy, heavy. Okay. it's It's more superficial than... Because what were the Oldsmobile 350? You're talking about that yeah the 350, it was yellow.
00:53:18
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. The Rally 350. The Rally 350, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, that that was a special edition that Oldsmobile did. And it so it didn't it sold fairly well. It's kind of a judge-esque type of thing, theme.
00:53:33
Torben Rothgeb
But I actually really liked those cars. I thought i remember seeing one in a car auction. No chrome on the wheel and the wheels. ah Just a steel steel painted wheel. No, it was a great car. had spoiler on the back and stuff. Yeah, no a great car those were really cool. Okay.
00:53:47
Torben Rothgeb
ah So that's the SS Slasher. Yes, that's a reissue from days gone by. Yes. Relive your flashing you know yeah childhood of cleaning up flash.
00:53:58
Torben Rothgeb
Now, at one point, did they move that back into the 70s, Cheville? No. Okay. that's why they were separate things. That's why they have they can reissue it because it's not the same kit.
00:54:09
Torben Rothgeb
If it would have been had to be retooled, it probably wouldn't have been done Well, and speaking of reissues. And it would probably sell pretty well, I would think. Yeah, I think so, probably. Well, you'll get one. Speaking of reissues, the Stranger Things. No, I already built one. i built the I built the other version that had the, instead of the chrome lights, had the clear lights. Yeah.
00:54:31
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. The 71 Chevelle. Okay. Yep. All right. build That one once is enough for me. um One and done. I did have this kid, in this older kid in high school, Matt Madsen, had a beautiful, ah was it Mulsane blue metallic maybe, or one of those Fathom blue ah with white stripes. And so I recreated that. I don't want to mix up brands on the paint codes because somebody will come after me. But anyway. um Yes, we do get a lot of hate mail on that. You could always take on one of those Fanta Ford vans. Those look interesting.
00:55:03
Torben Rothgeb
Those phantom foreands yeah Fanta Fanta. And didn't they have a Turtle Wax one, too? Yes, there is a Turtle Wax. Is that the Dodge? I think Leroy actually signed up for one of those.
00:55:16
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. i so um When we were talking about reissues, ah the Stranger Things Camaro is a reissue of the 124th monogram, 211, 3-in-1 Camaro.
00:55:28
Torben Rothgeb
But this time they have filled in the T-tops. So you don't have any T-tops in that. I know that's probably going to be the reason Bob buys one. Absolutely. oh When you see how it turned out, you might think twice because it's really not that good.
00:55:43
Torben Rothgeb
Well, here's one you might be interested in. The VW van, it is the pizza ah wagon. um and ah Actually, Esme was a big fan of Stranger Things. I watched all of it. right Do you remember what the pizza van had on it?
00:56:02
Torben Rothgeb
Did it have pizza on it? It had something on the roof, I felt like. Maybe a little pizza on it. It's a mid-70s Volkswagen van. It's a T2 version. Are you sure about that?
00:56:15
Torben Rothgeb
I'm pretty sure. And probably the best of all the stranger things is the Hopper Blazer, which is new tool. That is Hopper? No, we're not that lucky. that would be Hopper is a great actor. He's he's really great.
00:56:31
Torben Rothgeb
He's in a superhero movie. and I'm not a big superhero guy, but he was really funny in that. I can't think of the actor's name. but He's a character who plays the town sheriff in Stranger Things. and He has this blazer, which is a square body.
00:56:47
Torben Rothgeb
Kind of like the Jaws one, but a little ah newer. 85, think. Okay. You know, for the people who build police stuff, it's supposed to be really cool. um Oh, but the one critique I think Terry Jesse had on Spotlight Board is that the sirens, what what's the technical term for the sirens on top of police cars?
00:57:09
Torben Rothgeb
Maybe gumballs, of the lights on top of the car were maybe too new for 85. I don't know. For what? For the blazer? Yes. So there's lights on the blazer.
00:57:19
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. Oh, good. Because it's a police. Well, it's a police. That's a, that's a. done deal for me then well no i think you glue it on top i don't think it's not molded in wow so if you wanted to do a blazer you could do it yes all right yeah let's moving right along the weekend warrior 75 duster this is one uh that jim might have you want to talk about well i have the origins of the kit i was really surprised you know not pleasantly i'm lucky Unpleasantly surprised. The 75 Mustang Tournament of Thrills car. I saw some pictures of the box and I'm like, really?
00:57:58
Torben Rothgeb
Why? is this a Joey Chitwood thing? Well, I think that's what it was supposed to be, but I don't know if they couldn't get the licensing or what the deal was. But anyway, it's it's not worth talking about. No. well you know So we can talk about the Duster. That's fine. at That one they've reissued to death, actually, because it's you know it started out as a original MPC duster.
00:58:23
Torben Rothgeb
1971. Okay. I bought one in Toledo, actually. That's a story if you have time. ah For some kids? or now Did you buy it from the actual guy selling it, or was it his kids? No, I bought it from somebody. It was the first year I went to Toledo with Andy.
00:58:37
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. And he... kind He laughed out me because i spent like eighteen dollars for the kid we eighteen which in nineteen eighty one was Wow. You could buy a new car for that. But it was an original MPC molded in lemon twist.
00:58:57
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. Unbuilt kit. And I'd never seen it before. So anyway, but long story short, that's how the kit started. And MPC typically would retool the from the next year. So you would go to 72, 3, 4, and so on.
00:59:15
Torben Rothgeb
until you get to moving on to 75, which is what this car is that you're talking about. And that's actually pseudo-Duster or Dodge Dart okay oh at the time, which they they issued in both both versions, both kits.
00:59:34
Torben Rothgeb
I bought one in about the mid-'80s. And back when you could buy model cars almost anywhere, I bought this one from Alexander Sporting Goods, which sold again illinois in ah Urbana, right on Cunningham Avenue.
00:59:49
Torben Rothgeb
um But mostly ah mostly sporting goods, but they had a great time to be alive. They had model cars at all kinds of different places. And I remember buying that one um and painting a beautiful shade of metallic blue.
01:00:07
Torben Rothgeb
And you wish you had it now. No, I still have it. It's really junkyarded. are you going to dig out for me? It's in my model show. yeah That's all the way in the garage. That'd be a lot of dead air for a podcast.
01:00:18
Torben Rothgeb
We might lose some listeners while I was out in the garage. Especially if Bob's on another bathroom break. I don't think he'll be back for a while, actually. So we could talk about 75 dusters for a while.
01:00:33
Torben Rothgeb
yeah He's not really that Interesting. So I always wondered why it had, they just had like a two-in-one or three-in-one. That's why it came with the Hemi, because it wasn't ever in one of those. It was a totally different one from the Pro Street Sox and Martin one. No, no. Actually, it shares a lot of the same parts from that kit, actually. ah It actually was riesh was released as the Mopar missile, which had... haven't missed any problems.
01:01:03
Torben Rothgeb
We thought you'd still be on it.
01:01:06
Torben Rothgeb
I offered you a brief. Shut up. He did? He said, we're going to take a break. It might be a little big. Just for a little Bob.
01:01:17
Torben Rothgeb
Hey, shut up. Anyway, so yeah, it shares a lot of the same parts. or missile Well, anyway, well, that kid's worth quite a bit of money now. You know, I got mine for $2 at Toledo one year. We've shared that story before. But anyway. ah The kid is still in therapy. No, you know, leave it to round two. You know, they never miss an opportunity to reissue something, you know, 16 or 17 times.
01:01:42
Torben Rothgeb
And that one has been reissued actually quite a few times in the last yeah five, six years. yeah So anyway. So, yeah, no, it's it's, it is what it is. I think. um they're They're doing their best to keep things going, and I appreciate that. But, you know, they have some new stuff that's – I don't know. That stuff's not coming yet, though. Is it the 65 Baracuda? No. i was Speaking of new stuff, they're coming out with – and I'm imagining it's based off the 71 Demon ah that they're doing, the 72 Duster.
01:02:14
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, that's mixed bag. it's – and a mixed bag so it's it's Yeah, we'll see what it looks like. I think they've they've kind of gone back to, like you said, to the Demon parts.
01:02:27
Torben Rothgeb
ah huh But they actually had a duster that didn't need to be modified. They could have just reissued it. The 71 duster was a great kit. Well, no, that's what they should have done. They just reissued the 71 duster as the 72. Yeah.
01:02:40
Torben Rothgeb
it's It's a much nicer kit than the Demon, actually. yeah What about the 60 Chevy wagon? Is that a new kit? That's another one that they're um they scan an original and they've, you know, like the Nova wagon and the GTO.
01:02:56
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, it'll be a curbside to start and possibly full detail, you know, okay for Leroy to you know buy a case. That's a big car. Yeah, it's a big car. Personally, it's not my one of my favorites, but...
01:03:09
Torben Rothgeb
It's a wagon. It'll sell like hotcakes. It will. yeah I think it'd be really cool with a lot of 3D parts and you could do the family picnic thing. You could do the NASCAR series. They had the wagon series. The wagon series. Yes.
01:03:22
Torben Rothgeb
Well, you know i to go i know, on the opposite end of, you know, we were complaining about the Salvinos, you know, the Indy Kips and the new NASCARs can take so long.
01:03:34
Torben Rothgeb
You know, my brother just hit the cough button next time. um My brother sent me a ah GTO, a 68 GTO craftsman. And basically those are like snap tights for adults, but you know, they're really cool and you can throw them together. We talk about, you know what? I have 20 good hours of fun building and then 10 hours of okay building. And then it starts to seem like a job, but you could do one of those in about 20 hours. Um,
01:04:01
Torben Rothgeb
um So you could do 24-hour build. You could, yes. Is this the judge one? That's one that the car thief... that's one that the car thief Troy Stanky?
01:04:13
Torben Rothgeb
Is that what he built? troy Yes, for for the 24-hour build. It's just Troy now, though. he Yeah, it's just Troy, formerly known as Troy. Troy Stanky. Yeah, he built that for the 24-hour build, and then yeah we he brought it to Rochester, but then he put a sheet on there that was not in competition, which and he could have won he would have possibly won the Pontiac Award. But, you know, we don't want to give away awards to the justified monkey mobile. The monkey mobile is and our good friend from MCCM Dan Laurie and lourie and lourie whose cousin was side was in one of my favorite shows.
01:04:55
Torben Rothgeb
the His yeah cousin? it Yeah, his cousin was the dad in um Oh, yeah. What would you say if I sang on a tune? Would you stand up and walk away? I thought he was in Three's Company. No, he's in Three's Company.
01:05:12
Torben Rothgeb
Let's all sing. This is a musical podcast. oh Let's move All right. We just can't. We're stopping. What's the 65 Barracuda? Is that a reissue, too?
01:05:25
Torben Rothgeb
I know, and Tyler would tell you everything he wanted to know. It's all new tooling. It's another scanned, you know, mold. Okay. from under You know, it's an original kit from 65. Because got the big glass. Yeah. and Oh, it's cool. are quite expensive to replace, you know.
01:05:43
Torben Rothgeb
I saw it when they were remodeling one of those car shows and they were doing one of those barracudas. And they, yes, the guy, the owner of this restoration was really on the people putting it in there because, yeah, it is. This is a show?
01:05:57
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, this is a show. But they're remodeling a one-to-one. Not remodeling. You remodel a house. Restoring. Restoring okay an old car. And ah that the own the guy who was funding this project was really on his workers about not screwing up the back window when they were putting it in. That's a cool. I like that car with the big black back window.
01:06:18
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, that's a cool car. The same back window in 66 as well. Right. Now, ah somebody corrected. It's always funny when people correct people online. um tyler that happens this wasn't that but this a guy talking about a petty car building a petty car but the petty one was an altered wheelbase one right oh what are you talking the one that pedi dragged in are you talking about the drag car yeah the drag car because chrysler got out of nascar that's why he did yeah right he had nothing else to do but but it's also you know a dark era in the
01:06:51
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, he ran into the crowd. Right, yeah. He he lost control and and went into the crowd, and some people died. What is it with Mopars? Because at Indy, when they had the 71 Dodge Pace car, and it was really interesting, up to this point, um they put it out there for the person, the salesperson that sold the most cars could drive the Pace car. So they had Why would they do with that? Driving the Pace car. It had so much power, he just couldn't handle it.
01:07:19
Torben Rothgeb
And he ran into some kind bleachers or something. No, he wasn't paying attention. Okay. And he actually waited too long to lock up the brakes. Uh-huh. And he hit the photographer's stand.
01:07:29
Torben Rothgeb
But nobody died that time. Yes, nobody died. Jesus. but But the car did get destroyed. Uh-huh. It was the end of his career. Well, they had perfect they had really good drivers after that. What that did was that made them think, hey, you know what?
01:07:45
Torben Rothgeb
We might want to get somebody qualified to drive because you're going like 150, 160 miles an hour or whatever it is. yeah I think James Garner drove the pace car a couple times. least he can drive. He did. um Chuck Yeager, maybe?
01:07:59
Torben Rothgeb
don't recall. I don't recall. um and I'm sure there's a you know somebody that keeps track of that stuff. you know I know how much Bob loves pace cars. Wow.
01:08:14
Torben Rothgeb
All right. moving from Moving on. Moving on. All right. Well, we had ah the fine scale modeler was a great, great articles on all weather and stuff.
01:08:25
Torben Rothgeb
And I thought we'd have our resident weatherer. Weatherman? some Some of the stuff. Yes, so way the weatherman. The weatherman didn't know which way the wind blows. Thank you, Bob.
01:08:37
Torben Rothgeb
Drink that. so What's in that glass? I can only wish. The first one on Weathering 101 was shading, pre-shading.
01:08:49
Torben Rothgeb
Now, you've recently started doing this. Tell us about pre-shading, Bob. I appreciate all the lines. um and my son i I really appreciate your pre-shade. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. I have to go.
01:09:03
Torben Rothgeb
So I'll spray what's the name of the the the primer in the 1500 Mr. Hobby. mr ho I will spray black in all the lines on the door lines. Really?
01:09:16
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. I'll spray that when it's, you know, before before I put even before i put primer on it in the door lines, trunk lines and if thehood is the curbside in the hood lines And then I sand away with a we all polishing cloth so it's just in the door lines.
01:09:31
Torben Rothgeb
And then I put primer on, and then I put the color on. So it guarantees that if nothing's going to pull away, there'll be black underneath it. So you don't scribe the door lines at all? I scribe them first to open them up little more. you put primer on? Before I put the Mr. Color stuff on.
01:09:46
Torben Rothgeb
Mr. Hobby, you mean? Mr. Hobby. Could you describe the scribing? I'm not going to describe the scriber. you use it to me as scriber? do. I think it's one of the best tools they've come home with in a long time. It's a great tool.
01:10:00
Torben Rothgeb
So anyway, that's what i usually do for pre-shading. And then you do it all the time on airplanes and stuff. Now, when you're on airplanes, do you do post-shading? well here you are we goingnna listen through this whole article but i mean its oh we're only on page two we've only been on here for an hour deb po shoot we're shooting for the first two hours we podcast leave to live
01:10:30
Torben Rothgeb
like We them. So post-shading. When you begin your post-shading, do you do this with acrylics? Enamels? Lacquers? What do you post-shade?
01:10:47
Torben Rothgeb
a
01:10:50
Torben Rothgeb
Anyway, post-shading, I just use a Tamiya panel line and enhancer like we all do. That's post-shading. Enhancer. The panel and the stuff with the little bottles. Right.
01:11:04
Torben Rothgeb
yeah Okay. That's basically bullshit. Yeah, it's an enamel. It's another really great product from Camille. It is a great product. Yes, it is. All right. So tell us about your washers. People think we're like smoking weed out here. Tell us about your washes. What do you like?
01:11:24
Torben Rothgeb
ah I think that's kind of a personal question. Yeah. once a week. and Whether you need it or not. Maybe we'll skip the washes. yeah i think what should generally use a watch What's your favorite wash? or Oils.
01:11:40
Torben Rothgeb
And you like to make your own. yeah rathers yeah because they They get quite pricey. but yeah makes you just get You can buy all that stuff but you just buy Six or seven tubes of oil in there last year forever.
01:11:52
Torben Rothgeb
All right. And then in my best Will Ferrell ah voice, we're going streaking. like well You weren't a big old school fan? Streaking. You never saw old school?
01:12:04
Torben Rothgeb
Never saw old school. Oh, my gosh. Isn't that a natural output, I think? No. No, no, no. Oh, it's good. Well, he goes streaking. It's bad. was the beginning of the end for his marriage, too, because he's streaking downtown and his new wife. Drives Yes, very embarrassing.
01:12:23
Torben Rothgeb
So I just use oils for that as well, and you can use the pencils, which we had a little demonstration at the meeting. but Which you love. Yeah, right. I don't like the pencils. So, yeah, I use oils for streaking. Yeah, it works great.
01:12:36
Torben Rothgeb
I imagine the water the water is a little more forgiving. It is more forgiving. yeah But once you have a lacquer clear on the car, you can use the oils. are just easy the but It's easy to take the oils off, too.
01:12:48
Torben Rothgeb
all right. And tell us about shipping. Chipping. I don't do that on cars. Are we doing golf tips now? Yes. I can help you with chipping. 14th tee. When you do on armor, would you chip more with a brush or would you like to... yeah Usually I will chip with a pencil.
01:13:10
Torben Rothgeb
Then I'll use a pencil fo for it. You know, one thing I did like from our friend Chad Truss, and hopefully he learns how to do the Apple podcast so he can listen to us.
01:13:21
Torben Rothgeb
um But Chad had that he did a really good on that 50 Chevy pickup truck, and the bed had the raised wood grain. And so he took... ah one of those AK pencils. It looked really good. yeah um He just went over the raised wood. depends on the bed. It's much more forgiving than the oils in that way. He just was able to end it. He screws up and washes off. He used the AK pencils on that? Yes. The ones you get at the dungeon?
01:13:48
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. That looked really nice. yep But you have a raised surface to work with. Uh-huh. So, yeah, if you haven't picked up ah the fine scale, and if you've ever, if you're like me, who's, ah you know, always tried to, you know, thought weathering was really cool and like to give it a shot on some things, they cover just about all of the basics for weather, which is nice because I like to just weather like tools or something like that. This is a January, February. So there's one more. That's two issues back.
01:14:21
Torben Rothgeb
yeah but Yeah, it's insane. You wore the pages out on that thing. Well, that was a gift. Oh, okay. Yes. Yeah, Bob had worn out those. And talking about magazines, Auto Modeler Magazine, I know ah Bob Hood raves about it. He has a subscription to that.
01:14:40
Torben Rothgeb
um what's What's your thoughts on I think you bought all of them. I didn't buy any of them. I got them from a friend of mine and I gave them away at the meeting. You brought them to the meeting. And I took the two that you brought What are your thoughts on the magazine?
01:14:54
Torben Rothgeb
I think it's got potential. um it it's It didn't really grab me like I thought it would. who i think it's, you know...
01:15:06
Torben Rothgeb
Publishing a magazine is really hard. Especially this day and age. Yeah, well, especially this day and age. And and and to do something that involved and take a leap of faith.
01:15:17
Torben Rothgeb
I think considering everything, i think it's I think they've done a good job. Obviously, time will tell. But, yeah, no, I think it's got potential. um Yeah, no you know, well like you said.
01:15:31
Torben Rothgeb
What do you think of Victoria? ah Well, you know, the the things I've read, anytime, anything Tim Boyd does, I mean, he can even do stuff on things yeah that I'm not interested in and just reading about how he builds and the stuff he does is, ah you know you know, I'll always read anything by him. Yeah. um But...
01:15:55
Torben Rothgeb
None. ah but You know, of course, I'm really mainly interested in race cars and then, ah you know, maybe muscle cars. And none of their covers have really hit me over the head with like, oh, that's something I'm really interested in. right Yeah, I mean, that would actually make you want to look at it and buy it because it's, you know, got your attention. If it was a Salvino's kit. Yeah.
01:16:19
Torben Rothgeb
Well, no, or a NASCAR. Like, let's say it's a Bobby Allison. race-related. Yeah, I don't think they've had a race car. And and they haven't really dove into that so much. Their focus is different maybe than I like, but I give them a lot of credit.
01:16:32
Torben Rothgeb
And they're on the West Coast, and I think that's a different flavor. Right, it's a lot of customs. um and and But you know what? I'll look at it, you know. well And, you know, unfortunately, i yeah you i was doing a Christmas list um and they were asking me for things for Christmas presents.
01:16:50
Torben Rothgeb
And so I put a couple magazines on my Christmas list. I put this one, Auto Modeler Magazine, and then I put Model Cars Magazine on there. And somebody got me model cars magazine.
01:17:03
Torben Rothgeb
um But unfortunately, ah some of the problems that were before have kind of, ah they've had some issues in publishing. So I think it's episode 226 that I'm waiting for. So even though somebody got me a subscription, you'll be waiting I have yet to see anything. And so, and I know, ah you know, Greg ah has had some, you know, a lot of health issues and stuff like that.
01:17:27
Torben Rothgeb
You know, um as a cancer survivor, I don't want to question anybody's health or what they're going through or their daily struggles. um You know, don't want to minimize any of that.
01:17:37
Torben Rothgeb
But so, ah yeah, unfortunately, um I have not gotten that. And I wish whoever decided to get that, they would have gotten the auto model magazine because I would have a few issues by now. Personally, I think that's part the reason why this new magazine has come about because of the lack of focus that...
01:17:57
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Model cars have had. caveni It's always been like that. Yeah. and you know It's one of those things. It's a love-hate relationship because they've done a really great job. When the magazines come out, they're fantastic. They're really good. But you don't you don't know when you're going to see it. Right. And a lot and a lot of times...
01:18:17
Torben Rothgeb
The material, you know, kit reviews and things like that, those are timely. Yeah. yeah And, you know, you've got to have that stuff out there because that people are going to read it and go, oh, yeah, I really want to get that kit. Well, it's not out yet, but, you know, I'll be ready for it when it comes out. So, yeah, it's it's unfortunate because it's always been a problem.
01:18:34
Torben Rothgeb
And Larry Greenberg does a great job on the kit Yeah, phenomenal kit review. Great kit reviews, but like you say, if they're not. It's not timely. The last issue I saw, they had a kit review on the the latest Johan kit.
01:18:47
Torben Rothgeb
And that's just not. Right. Are they coming out again? Wow, I'll have to pick that issue No, I was surprised. and I can i and relate to what you're saying because um i just happened know, it's like I get my Visa bill and I look and it's like, hmm.
01:19:03
Torben Rothgeb
I just got an automatic, you know, reason renewal for wild cars. And, you know, they, they cash my check. and I haven't seen a magazine. And,
01:19:15
Torben Rothgeb
Last summer. Suddenly last summer. I know what you did last summer. So the million dollar question is. I stopped. You just kept going. The million dollar question is, are you going to build all the kits in your unbuilt collection or are you going to get all their magazines in your model car subscription?
01:19:39
Torben Rothgeb
Which is going to happen first? All All right.
01:19:44
Torben Rothgeb
i think it'll be think it'll be a dead ah time two hundred fifty yards you know it's It's sad because... I've always liked the magazine because it has good wide... it's It's got a lot of diversity.
01:20:00
Torben Rothgeb
It's loaded with material. material yeah yes There's a lot to look at It's all high quality stuff. Tim usually has something in there. Like you said, Larry Greenberg.
01:20:11
Torben Rothgeb
All the guys that write for the magazine and to do a phenomenal job. I mean, I've got a whole range of old ones that I go back to. yeah Like, oh, I want to build this car. I'll go back to it, you know, that I had this article that I want to find. And it's great.
01:20:25
Torben Rothgeb
you know Anyway. so yeah All right. Well, moving on okay um I thought with ah Mobius coming out with their ah tow truck kit, this would be a great time to talk about ah something that was near and dear to my heart as a kid growing up in the late 70s.
01:20:43
Torben Rothgeb
Cooter's Tow Truck from the Dukes of Hazzard. um Unfortunately, like MPC's version of the General Lee, which wasn't you know completely accurate, Cooter's tow truck kind of gets you in the ballpark, the MPC kit that goes usually for a lot of money. well um You realize that the Dukes has a hazard charger at the time.
01:21:06
Torben Rothgeb
was the highest selling kit yes of all time. So they made a lot of money. Kudos to them. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so, you know, your ears and you're on hallowed ground. hallowed girl and Nobody thought that adults taking it this seriously would be building these things, right? yeah These were meant for kids. It's automatic when you see that picture on the box, you go, is Daisy in the box? Because she's not.
01:21:31
Torben Rothgeb
And I'm telling you right now, you just look at that tow hook on that thing. It's pretty awful. and Pretty awful. and And honestly, you know where that kit comes from, right? Well, it was an annual. I think the 68, 67 had the tow rig on it.
01:21:46
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, that I just happened to sell a couple of those on eBay. So um at the time, that was the only game in town. Yes. And so those sold really well, and they were pretty accurate for the time.
01:22:00
Torben Rothgeb
Yes, it kind of merged all of them together. Yeah, I mean, it's... um It is what it is. But yeah, no, it's it's um it's a time, it's a place, you know, it it satisfied your curiosity.
01:22:14
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. And you didn't pay that much for this one, did you? Well, I got a great deal. You gave me a great deal on I did? Yes, you did. What was I smoking that day? I think it was $20 maybe. we're doing any dollars but I was being very kind.
01:22:31
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. yes why i I think I fell down that day going into the store. That was the swap month when I went to the meeting, MCCM meeting, and broke bread.
01:22:48
Torben Rothgeb
That's right. I said, can't we all just get along? Right. And we couldn't. So I invited everybody to the meeting. Oh, that's right. Yep. yeah And I was feeling very generous that day. so Yeah, no, it's... ah Well, I appreciate it. I noticed you jumped right on it. I did. Well, you know, again, ah you know... Open the box and go, oh, no.
01:23:13
Torben Rothgeb
it's not exactly really So the 68 one, the real the original one, was just that same kit? Well, I'm glad you asked. Oh, okay, great. If you guys have ah ah you know an extra 45 minutes, like I did at work this past week while my kids were taking a test. um We, the YouTube, there's a YouTuber that does a great job going over the history of Cooter's tow trucks. And he's got a great mullet, which would really surprise you. There's really not a person that does this. This yeah this isn't the autistic modeler. No, no. This is a guy who, uh. There is one that goes that way. But there is a good write-up on the first season one's tow truck on the model car message board.
01:23:56
Torben Rothgeb
um Okay. but And I will just cover this really fast. Please do. Season one, it was a brown, ah it was a brown, kind of a metallic brown 69 Chevy ah truck.
01:24:09
Torben Rothgeb
And it just basically looked like they took a regular pickup truck and they put the tow truck stuff in the back. This is the real truck. Season one. Yes. no Unfortunately, it was destroyed in an episode where they had to knock down this shed.
01:24:23
Torben Rothgeb
And a funny story, the original, the first season was done in Kentucky, but then they moved out to California when they got big time. They did. and Yes, they did.
01:24:34
Torben Rothgeb
And the guy set up that was driving, the guy that drove the hole the season. Do you have a VCR, Andy? Maybe we should call Cameron. Yeah.
01:24:45
Torben Rothgeb
Well, this is the great thing about this YouTube. If you just go to Cooter's Toe Truck History, but i mean you don't have to watch all the episodes because as a six-year-old, they were great.
01:24:56
Torben Rothgeb
As an adult, ah they're they're they've lost a little luster, shall we say. okay But um anyway, so they were driving this tow truck to California for the next season.
01:25:08
Torben Rothgeb
um and they pulled them over And they pulled him over when they in California and said, you can't drive that truck here. And it was in such bad shape okay that then they had to go to another tow truck for season two.
01:25:21
Torben Rothgeb
And this is when this is when they went to the 67 Ford, which is pretty close to the Mobius tow truck. oh This would be your best bet for a cooter's truck, the 67. And it was actually season two to about season seven.
01:25:38
Torben Rothgeb
They used to use it as it got older and on like chances that it might get banged up. Because like there was one where Cooter had to save the General Lee that was getting ready to go over the cliff, the same cliff that Daisy's Roadrunner smashed over.
01:25:54
Torben Rothgeb
And so by then they'd had a newer tow truck, but they didn't want to risk it. So they brought out the old 67 Ford Cooter's tow truck for this one. And this again would be the easiest one to build.
01:26:06
Torben Rothgeb
um And then in season four, they got like a newer 79 at the time. It would have been a new yellow tow truck, 79 Ford truck, probably like the Firestone reissue that they've done.
01:26:18
Torben Rothgeb
Nice segue. But the tow, the tow thing on that looks pretty complicated. I don't know. I'm sure 3D printers have it. And then the last one is probably kind of similar to what the MPC kit was.
01:26:30
Torben Rothgeb
It was what, like a 70 GMC for the front of it. And then the back looked, ah you know, The side fenders look pretty close to what the kit is. um Now, the interesting history of these.
01:26:46
Torben Rothgeb
Now, bear with me, guys. I'm almost done. um No, you're not. and None of the, unfortunately. When the aliens come in? Yes, I'm getting to that. None of the cooter trucks survived, but one did survive ah for the longest. It was your GMC, about a 70 GMC front.
01:27:08
Torben Rothgeb
ah tow truck. ah And it was blue and white like most of them were. ah But it was ah after the show it was also appeared in an episode of Scarecrow and Mrs. King.
01:27:22
Torben Rothgeb
um And then later ah it appeared on the X-Files. And it was outside of this gas station in the X-Files. And then unfortunately um some aliens blew up the whole gas station and with it Cooter's last surviving truck got blown off in the X-Files. It really did get destroyed. It like ramonna liia got destroyed. Let's not go that far.
01:27:47
Torben Rothgeb
Again, if you've got a couple minutes, it's pretty cool. We don't. Well, some of our listeners might. Is there a how-to in your future?
01:27:58
Torben Rothgeb
Maybe a Tarbin's tip.
Cooter's Tow Truck and Media Appearances
01:28:02
Torben Rothgeb
<unk> tip on bill out of those that' The nice thing, though, I think it really wouldn't be too hard of a stretch with the new Mobius tow truck ah to at least do the 67. I don't even know who Cooter is. so and Well, this is Cooter, and you can see him with the lovely Daisy Duke. yes So were they a couple up there? No, but I think he kind of liked her.
01:28:22
Torben Rothgeb
Probably everybody liked her. But he was the guy who used to ah tow Bo and Luke's, you know, when the the car. I've never really watched the
Listener Mailbag: Car Values and Model Kit Comparisons
01:28:34
Torben Rothgeb
show, so I don't know. Well, very sadly for a lot of Mopar fans, I think it was about 313 Chargers were destroyed the show.
01:28:39
Torben Rothgeb
teen chargers were destroyed in the show I'm And one great roadrunner, a yellow 71 Roadrunner as well. But we are moving on. We've got to get to our mailbag questions. Oh, okay.
01:28:53
Torben Rothgeb
Mailbag questions. didn't know we had a mailbag. Yes. All right. We do. one It's over there. Well, we can't get to all of them. So we do appreciate you guys sending stuff in.
01:29:06
Torben Rothgeb
The first one is... We try. Is there singing involved? Always, always. You really want to sing that again, don't you? All right. You know Bob and I can always come up with us. I thought we lost you there. All right. I thought we had to get the off. at least the bathroom.
01:29:35
Torben Rothgeb
All right, which is the worst? The first one is a one-to-one car question. So somebody actually mailed this question in? Yes. What was his name, Torben? Jim A. Well, that's right. He has written in, hasn't he? was the one. Who wrote about the 40% off coupons. Oh, yeah.
01:29:55
Torben Rothgeb
And then he had all these disguises. And now that they don't have the 40% off coupons, he can only use them on one day a year, Halloween. yeah they don'tly yeah so um but anyway this is a one-to-one car uh this is a one-to-one car question which fell harder the porsche 928 or the dodge viper both of these were very promising cars um and then all of a sudden people just stopped liking them uh what what do you think and your expert automotive opinion
01:30:30
Torben Rothgeb
ah Which one would be more valuable, a Dodge Viper or a Porsche 928? Which social one would you rather have? So, which fell harder? Yes. And then you said which would be worth more.
01:30:43
Torben Rothgeb
I think a Viper would be far more worth more money than it. I think the Vipers actually held a pretty good value these days because they did actually make improvements over the years when they started those. That was, you know...
01:30:56
Torben Rothgeb
Early on, they didn't really do that well. they like The last version of it was actually a pretty decent car. The 928 was a dog. i mean that right right and The Dodge Viper, course, put a lot of money behind that in the late 90s.
01:31:12
Torben Rothgeb
It was a pace car. They were everywhere. They were everywhere, and then all of a sudden they weren't. It was a pace car. They won numerous class wins at Sebring, Le Mans, other things. The 928, they never raced.
01:31:26
Torben Rothgeb
So about the yeah I think the 928 fell harder. The 944 was a much more successful car for the Porsche. The 928, speaking of movies, was in risky business. It was Porsche. There is no substitute.
01:31:39
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, okay. The actor who would later go on to play Booger in Revenge of the Nerves. Good Lord. More trivial information. Just take those old records off the shelf. I didn't listen to them.
01:31:55
Torben Rothgeb
oh and Are we done now? all right oh we got We still got we got a model question. Which kid is worse? Only you can answer that question. I would probably say the Polar Lights charger is worse. I do think, and I've built a Monte Carlo.
01:32:12
Torben Rothgeb
um It does take some work. think it's another I think it's another question like the
01:32:19
Torben Rothgeb
you know the 928 and the Porsche, where you're looking at two different things. One, is it buildable? I think that's one question. And two, the end result is worse.
01:32:33
Torben Rothgeb
well And then even three. I'm going to add an extra one. Like we talked about earlier, um like the the beauty of the craftsman kits, you could do it in 20 to 30 hours. yeah And I built a Monte Carlo.
01:32:47
Torben Rothgeb
And there's probably 20 them, maybe 10 of them I'd like to build, but it was so much work. I probably won't build another one. Or I have some resin bodies from when they used to, before the kit came out. You have to grind the chrome. It's a labor of love. Oh, and that was one more thing. And I don't mean to be banging on Salvino's because I certainly appreciate it. And you know we've gotten some letters from Rick Salvino and we don't we don't need any more.
01:33:15
Torben Rothgeb
um i appreciate ah I appreciate everything that he's done and he's great for the hobby. um But one more thing that irritates me is basically the reason they went away from Chrome is because they kind of screwed it up so bad, right?
01:33:30
Torben Rothgeb
People have been used to being able to strip the Chrome, but their Chrome you couldn't strip. right So then they kind of just said, okay, well, we won't do Chrome. And yes, there are a bunch of great Chrome products products out there. Guess what? What is the Rebel rebel one? Rebel one?
01:33:46
Torben Rothgeb
um thirty dollars forty lives thirty five dollars thirty dollars thirty thirty five dollars and then you got to paint gloss black underneath it to make it look right like all right well uh okay but you're still having to do a lot of stuff right right rather than a kit that comes with chrome parts in it like i'm thinking doing the indie kit if the wheels were chrome i They just go right on. Now I got to do something. right let's And then you got to handle it.
01:34:15
Torben Rothgeb
right and And as good as all this chrome stuff is, yeah there's still yet to be one where you can handle it. So true guess what you got to do with rims when you're putting them in into tires? Just ask the maestro. Exactly. Show me how to do And a lot of these suspension parts are chrome.
01:34:32
Torben Rothgeb
How am I adjusting this when it's chrome? So um I do – that was one more thing. I wish they would have some chrome that you could strip if you wanted to. um So that that was another area that leaves something to be designed. That's where I would disagree. i mean, I know it's not accurate, but I've seen – actually, Stu built one using the Polar Lights charger.
01:34:58
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. Stu – Uh, Wood. Oh, he did? Okay. Yeah, he did the, um, the car that raced the Le Mans, the Charger that raced the Le Mans. Oh, the, um.
01:35:09
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, it turned out really well. Good. And, you know, um, Facebook is Olympia sponsored. Right. And he he built that car. I remember seeing it. And he did a really nice job. And you know what? It didn't look bad.
01:35:20
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, I know it was inaccurate as hell. But at the time, it was the only game in town. you Unless you want to go back to the MPC days. yeah Basically, that's all you had to choose from. And still, yeah, so I mean...
01:35:35
Torben Rothgeb
I see where you're going with this. but What was the AMT-74 Chevelle? Was that a bad kit? Oh, well, I felt, and they just reissued that. And it's one of those things where you feel bad if somebody just sees it the store and they buy it and they build it up.
01:35:50
Torben Rothgeb
Because you can build it okay, but it takes a lot of work. The wheel openings are probably like 1 16th size. So you have to find a way to close up the wheel openings. I think it's got way too many things wrong with it that it's, The front bumper is probably too big. It's just a lot of stuff. You can give it a lot of love, but it still needs more help. Salvinos Monte Carlo are two excellent builders. I tried to build them in our club.
01:36:16
Torben Rothgeb
Eric Zabel built one, and he got it done. yeah But he's like, never again. fought it tooth and nail. and Same with Tom Finch. Finch actually didn't finish it. He's a great builder. He couldn't get past the instructions. Instructions and the the frame, which was in those pieces. I learned from that when I did the Oldsmobile. Yeah, because I had to like, okay, yeah where do I put this frame? Yeah, and it is you know it's fine.
01:36:39
Torben Rothgeb
And it is too bad because so many great cars raced in that era with those Monte Carlos. And if it if it was a quick build, I probably would have built a lot more of them. um so But I will give ah Salvino some credit. Their Charger was a lot better than the Polar Lights Charger.
01:36:57
Torben Rothgeb
So kudos to them for at least making the body of the charger. Well, if you know that the person that actually was involved in that project had no experience with cars.
01:37:08
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah, for the Polar Lights guy. Yes. Did they ever ask you guys to do that after you that? No, no. Because they'd gone in a different direction. They went a different guy that was development manager at Polar Lights, and he didn't want to use us. himself. It was one and done and he was gone.
01:37:29
Torben Rothgeb
It was Jim Allen-esque. One and done. Personally, was never more disappointed than when actually saw that built. It did. It did have a good slicks decals. um And it had some good, ah you know, I didn't mind the Hemi.
01:37:46
Torben Rothgeb
Now, I'm sure some of our members in our car club could tell you heyy what was wrong with the Hemi. ah But at least if you're just opening the hood and looking at it. Go ahead, Sean. Exactly. Anyway.
Mickey Thompson's Racing Legacy
01:38:00
Torben Rothgeb
um But it had some parts that you hadn't seen before. But, yeah. Yeah. All right. ah Moving right along. Jim's Drag Question of Month. Another new segment. Jim's Drag Question of the Month. Is this RuPaul i read i saw I saw the question out of the corner of my eye. and kind of Really?
01:38:25
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. How many really it's funny questions? It's really not. ah If you know Mickey Thompson at all. Well, and that's the thing our listeners don't. So we want to improve our knowledge. I'm just saying that people, you know, a lot of people do because he was a legend in a lot of different gens genres.
01:38:43
Torben Rothgeb
He was an innovator, brilliant promoter. ah there's there, I mean, he did it all. I mean, there's no question. So he never actually drove a funny car.
01:38:54
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. He drove a lot of other cars, set land speed records, you know, the, um, uh, some of that stuff. But yeah, no, he was, he was a great promoter.
01:39:05
Torben Rothgeb
Um, Didn't he die before Funny Cars came in? He had a horrible death. No, no, no. He was knee-deep in the funny car phenomenon in the early 70s, late 60s. He had like six cars, you know were actually cruising around the United States at one time. He had a team that was huge, had all the best drivers.
01:39:30
Torben Rothgeb
and So who were some of the drivers that drove for Mickey Thompson then? ah Probably, you know, the best known would probably be Danny Ungaius drove for him for quite a while.
01:39:41
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. There were some others, Pat Foster. um
01:39:47
Torben Rothgeb
I don't know. Dale Poldy drove for him. um Yeah, some really good drivers, but they did a lot of match racing. so But anyway, so yeah, Danny and guys won 69 U.S. Nationals at Indy with the Mustang.
01:40:04
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. This is back when they ran a Ford single overhead cam engine and the whole shebang. Did Polar Lights do that one? No, actually they did a different Mustangs. They just didn't do that particular version. Okay.
01:40:18
Torben Rothgeb
So, but yeah, no, he was, he was a great, no, he was actually shot in the street. I saw the the thing on Netflix. that His wife was also killed. Killed, right. um and It was a promoter kind of a thing.
01:40:33
Torben Rothgeb
um was about money. About money. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was bad. But anyway, so yeah, no, it's, it's an interesting question. yeah.
01:40:45
Torben Rothgeb
I hope that answers the question. Well, you know, and it's something that's always been a little confusing to me as somebody who loves funny cars and drag racing. But the the name on the car is usually the car owner is a bigger deal, it seems like, in funny cars. So you'll know the names of the car owners.
01:41:02
Torben Rothgeb
but not necessarily the drivers, whereas in NASCAR it's just the opposite. And obviously if you get famous either way, you know, Junior Johnson or Rick Hendrick and people like that. But at the same time, the driver is still more famous. You know, like, you know, Dale Earnhardt, number three for Dale Earnhardt, rather than Richard Childress who owns that Right, exactly. You know, but it seems like the opposite kind of thing.
01:41:26
Torben Rothgeb
And, yeah you know, I mean, there's obviously like, ah you know, Don Perdomo and people like drivers who are famous, but not, you know. I think it depends on the person that you're referring to, like you're talking about Perdomo or whatever. If you talk about drivers, a lot of them were hired drivers.
01:41:46
Torben Rothgeb
that's That's why their names weren't predominant on the car, ah unless they were the owner of the car. Yeah. you know It's just that's what you did for a living. that was your It was like a circus.
01:41:58
Torben Rothgeb
yeah and A lot of people think that was like the greatest time to be a fan of that genre was the the cars and the drivers and everything that went on. Cool.
01:42:13
Torben Rothgeb
and' so Mickey Thompson had a big input on lot of that stuff. I mean, he had, you know, I know you know about the Grand Ams. Yep. He got Peter Paul candies involved.
01:42:25
Torben Rothgeb
And, you know, the, i don't know, they had different, it's, you know, before my time, I never remember those, those brands or whatever, but they were throwing them out in this, in the grandstand, you know, from the cars and stuff like that. So, you know, what I got from the special about, unfortunately it's murder was,
01:42:44
Torben Rothgeb
they give a little history of his stuff and he was amazing guy. Oh yeah. And he just, and he was, he was one of those classic, he did both things. He was an innovator, um, smart about cars, but he also was a great promoter. So he could do both of those things, you know, really well, you know, and he would, and he projected a great image, you know, it's kind of like, um,
01:43:07
Torben Rothgeb
don't like maybe like Jeff Gordon did, but Jeff Gordon wasn't the innovator so much. He presented the image. Yeah. Yeah. So. Well, and and we're we're both hoping that this is the year we get a one 16th funny car built.
01:43:22
Torben Rothgeb
But I am trying to be more of a one. You mentioned it. I don't know. I did. Yeah. I'm trying to be a one builder this year. So I'm trying to, I like to think of it as the ice cray the ice cube tray when you're filling up one at a time. And I'm going to try to stick to that this year. Who are you?
Model Building Goals and Community
01:43:41
Torben Rothgeb
As I get my projects done. So this is going to you're going to be the Scott Gladstein, not the... So after you finish this one, this one, this one. yes this one And just wait, there's ah there's a Pinto somewhere. There's that And at one point, I do want to do a diorama of an early Ford dealership.
01:43:59
Torben Rothgeb
Well, yeah, and that's why you have the green Pinto and the Mustang. Yes. Because you're going to do a dealership. yeah Right. But you can do a 16th scale. I just want to put all this aside and start that now.
01:44:12
Torben Rothgeb
The funny car? yeah Yeah. I might get it started by the end of the year, but I'd probably not. at least you I don't think that you would really have a hard time with it, honestly. It goes together. but And I've built in a ah few 125th ones.
01:44:25
Torben Rothgeb
So and and basically that Revelle one is... Yeah, i don't I don't think that you would have any problem with it, honestly, because, ah you know, as someone who had built one when I was a kid, yeah i had no problem with that.
01:44:37
Torben Rothgeb
okay And, you know, it's it's it's very well, the instructions are very clear and concise, and you really can't, you know, the biggest struggle to have is the tires.
01:44:48
Torben Rothgeb
That's it. Because they were... very thin, look at the mushy. yeah Yeah. And so yeah Atlantis has fixed that. Yeah. I got a several sets of the newer tires.
01:45:00
Torben Rothgeb
But anyway, so I don't think, I think, you know, because you know how to lower the body onto the frame. That's the only other thing that's really going to give you any type of a challenge. And i I was just reading something about the grand dam that came out from Atlantis that they use some new,
01:45:19
Torben Rothgeb
wiring for the tubing. Didn't they give you all the plumbing and stuff? Well, they always did that with the Revell kits, but this has like... It's more accurate. Well, yeah, and it's easier to use. That's my understanding.
01:45:31
Torben Rothgeb
You can paint it, and it's, you know... it's yeah so it's But anyway, so yeah so I think it's got potential. so It is interesting as we talk about things that come out and seem to sell, but you don't see it. the kind i have ah Can you remember seeing a 116th Funny Car since that one guy from Wisconsin stopped building? Well, Lewis obviously finished up a bunch of really beautiful ones. You attend about 20 years ago. Yeah, J. Lewis. More than that.
01:45:58
Torben Rothgeb
probably since Atlantis is reissued. And then the guy from Milwaukee who just cranked him out like, you know, who hosts his Twinkies. But I mean, it was just, you know. It's been a while. Yeah, right. He used to come to the contest. He had a whole table. Whole table. Oh, you're talking about Greg. He was a security guard.
01:46:14
Torben Rothgeb
Security guard. This is what he Greg. But I mean, to but have one built quality-wise, there's J's. yeah right and And actually, Clay Kemp built one for Scale Auto way back then. That's the one that I actually, if you're going to build the kit, doesn't matter which one it is, just dig that thing out.
01:46:36
Torben Rothgeb
The Hawaiian. Yeah, because he did a really great job on it. I got keen seat right there. Anyway. um He did a really nice job on it. It really didn't take him that long. And it's very basic.
01:46:47
Torben Rothgeb
ah huh It really does. It's a shake and bake thing, honestly. Well, I do. And I think that's going to be the next best thing to the Hawaiian. I do have the decals for the Chi-Town Hustler that's the same charger.
01:47:01
Torben Rothgeb
So ah just silver. So I think this kind of that's going to be the kind of biggest holdup is trying to decide which one to build. Because, you know, they're all pretty damn cool. but Yeah.
01:47:13
Torben Rothgeb
So, um um yeah. Yeah. but Like so many other things, one of these days, right? One of these days, you're going to get it built. All right. Well, time has just flown by. It's almost been two hours.
01:47:26
Torben Rothgeb
Of bliss. Yes, absolutely. Well, we we you talked about having so much content to this episode. did. Just like the... ah popcorn machine as ah the popcorn just blows the top so off of it.
01:47:39
Torben Rothgeb
And that makes hungry that is our episode tonight. ah But before we go, we do have our Super 6. Now, one of the things when I moved to Minneapolis, and and everything has its own culture,
01:47:53
Torben Rothgeb
And I was ah surprised with the kind of apathy for chains as far as restaurants.
Food Preferences: Chains vs. Locals
01:48:02
Torben Rothgeb
um But I still, in my heart, have a soft spot for certain chains.
01:48:08
Torben Rothgeb
And so tonight's topic is your six top chains. it can be fast food or it can just be restaurants that are chains. Anything else?
01:48:19
Torben Rothgeb
uh, define as chains as like, uh, something that you would be able to find several. Well, if you can't find food, obviously you know, maybe I'm hungry. So I'm thinking of food.
01:48:31
Torben Rothgeb
Okay. just food right You know, I, if we can't get to six, then think of some other, you lead us off. All right. Well, I'll start off with a fast food one. Um, unfortunately we, we lost this one to the civil unrest of 2020, but my favorite place, uh,
01:48:49
Torben Rothgeb
It was my loss and Torben Jr.'s gain because it was replaced with a Canes chicken, which he loves, but I don't as much. But Arby's was my favorite fast food place, especially when you had the five for five beef and cheddars with that onion roll and just that cheese oozing outside. It was Arby's.
01:49:08
Torben Rothgeb
Wait, wait. Cheese. Yeah. And the mocha, was it the mocha shakes? Oh, yeah. Were really good. So that was what? No, I was going to say I ended up getting food poisoning from an Arby's. Yeah.
01:49:21
Torben Rothgeb
When I was in high school. but that you know Oh, my Lord. love sure it wasn't. When they originally came out, Arby's roast actually sliced roast beef.
01:49:34
Torben Rothgeb
yeah This is in the 70s now. yeah yeah I mean, if you imagine that at that time. Mm-hmm. you know, then you can see why it would be really great. Yes, it was. But, you know, time moves on and processing and all that stuff. Yeah, no, I see what you're saying. The Seinfeld one with the – did you ever see the Seinfeld one where they had the roast beef slicer? Yes.
01:49:56
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. So that was Arby's was my favorite. Okay. Do you guys want to go one-on-one or do you want me to do all six? I don't. I don't know. i don't You're not a change. See, you're part of the Minneapolis culture that I ran into when I moved here that really do not like the change.
01:50:11
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, I would say if I if i had to eat at one, i could probably eat at a Culver's. Culver's. I could eat at a Culver's. There's a lot of really good restaurants. And for me, it's hard to...
01:50:25
Torben Rothgeb
have a conversation about, you know, fast food or chains because there's so many mom and pop places. that are good. One of them that just actually moved out of South St. Paul that was like one of our top three was Beirut.
01:50:42
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, you told me about that. It was a restaurant on Robert Street in St. Paul and family owned. They moved, they, you know, ran away from, you know,
01:50:54
Torben Rothgeb
Right. Mania. Right. And just phenomenal food. Great Middle Eastern food. Oh, God. Just really something. i So i always just try to find little places. No, I think Culver's is a go-to. I mean, if you're going to go and spend an X amount of money. You can get different things. You don't have to spend a lot of money.
01:51:13
Torben Rothgeb
I mean, I did go with my grandson to one of the Dave's. hot chicken thing and that was Olivia loves that one that's a big disappointment that was bad famous games no no it's Dave's hot chicken and it was expensive and it was Olivia and Torben Jr. battle because he's a Cain's chicken person and uh Olivia likes the Dave's hot chicken yeah um but yes um All right. Well, I can see going have to do the lion's share of the chain. Go for it. But you guys proved my theory. Minneapolis is as a kind of anti-chain.
01:51:44
Torben Rothgeb
um I would go with this place, your family, Olive Garden. I love the salad and the breadsticks. And that's true. You could get a bunch of salad. Yep. And you in the room because of all the people, the old people.
01:52:02
Torben Rothgeb
Aren't fans. um Also, another one. ah That, you know, growing up in Champaign-Urbana was ah considered a high-class place. ah And I really liked the rolls just by themselves, even when it wasn't shrimp feast or lobster feast. Not the red lobster. I I agree with you, actually, on that.
01:52:27
Torben Rothgeb
and And their heyday, they were actually really good. yeah You're talking about the, I can think of it, as like wasn't it like shrimp toast or shrimp something? Well, just the rolls. The rolls, yeah, but they were like. They would come as butter rolls. yeah Unfortunately, i somebody told me they were 180 calories per roll So I went down about three or four of them before the meal even started. I think the place we go to in Milwaukee. Texas Roadhouse. That's a great place to go. That's a fun place to go, especially you're a meat eater. Well, of course.
01:52:59
Torben Rothgeb
What about the place right over here, the completely vegan place that replaced peppers and fries? And it was Oh, Okay, down. Better you than me. What about, I mean, one it's going to come up. I'm going to breakfast with my last two. Okay.
01:53:18
Torben Rothgeb
um Well, I love ah the Cracker Barrel. That won't surprise anybody. And they'd have even car books. You could buy car books in their waiting room. don't care if they're giving away car books.
01:53:29
Torben Rothgeb
ah And the nice thing I like, they used to come with biscuits and gravy for the whole table while you're waiting. You can't beat that. And then my other son. With some gravy.
01:53:46
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, God. Our listeners are witnessing the snobbery of Minneapolis dining. You cannot have a chain without. going to say Perkins, but I know. you're going White Castle. White Castle.
01:54:01
Torben Rothgeb
Yes, I had a great trip from Champaign, Illinois to Philadelphia, and we stopped off in Indianapolis, and I got a 10-pack of sliders. so And unfortunately, everybody else in the one of your go-tos, isn't it? It depends if there's a toothless woman behind the car. Well, we all lived through that. Well, you didn't.
01:54:21
Torben Rothgeb
right I thought um Perkins is fine. Perkins is fine and in his heyday. You know the one I like. I like Perkins gave you can eat the year. That's what I like. They gave you three pancakes because that's kind of the debate that I used to get into because I want eggs and omelet Or do I want something sweet like French toast or pancakes?
01:54:42
Torben Rothgeb
But with Perkins, I didn't have to make the choice because they give me three pancakes on site. With everything. And with the great syrup because they give you the blueberry syrup and the strawberry syrup. You could mix them.
01:54:52
Torben Rothgeb
You could do one pancake with blueberry, one pancake. um what's that What's the – when I ate – was this year in the summer I went to Phoenix. I ate at a place. ate every morning at this place. It was a breakfast place that's in the south.
01:55:07
Torben Rothgeb
um Are you talking about, yeah, and in not Cracker Barrel, but they had grits. Waffle House. Waffle House. Waffle House. I mean, you had a great pecan waffles with scrambled eggs and grits. It was the best breakfast in the world.
01:55:21
Torben Rothgeb
Yes. and yeah I finally, this is something because it just opened up again. Yeah. I went to Mickey's Diner like a month ago. I've only eaten there once. and It was awful. A long time ago, though. Yeah. They have different owners.
01:55:33
Torben Rothgeb
Oh, is it? It's a family. It was good. It was very good. was packed. Wow. I would recommend it, honestly. Well, I didn't have a good time. It had nothing to do with the establishment. I was dumb enough to take a two-year-old Torben Jr. and a five-year-old Olivia because we were on our way to the Children's Museum.
01:55:50
Torben Rothgeb
Where did you go? The Mickey's Diner because it's by over there. Well, here's the problem. Again, Torben Jr. was just bouncing off the walls, a two-year-old.
01:56:02
Torben Rothgeb
and he broke things I didn't even think you could break. I didn't think, you know, those syrup things were so thick. ah He broke those at the time? Yes, dropped it. And so then you got this syrup and glass and a two-year-old everywhere.
01:56:17
Torben Rothgeb
And I ordered them some cereal so they'd have something to eat right away. And then I went with an omelet. But then they're waiting for the damn, for my omelet to be ready to bring the cereal. I'm like, bring them the cereal so they have something to do. Because he's twirling around on the stool, round and around and around.
01:56:34
Torben Rothgeb
And then his sister has to tell him what to do. And then that pisses him off. You're not the boss of me. And this and that. And then they're fighting. Breaking stuff. Let's pass that. But it had nothing to do with Mickey's Diner. Yeah. Nicky's Diner is great.
01:56:49
Torben Rothgeb
um So, all right. Any other, well, you you were saying chains that aren't food. Did you have a chain? No, no, no, no, no. I just just think i think that's the best thing to pick is just food. That's too food.
01:57:01
Torben Rothgeb
I do miss Subway, the one that we had down there. Because, like, on the way out of town or something quick, it was nice. It's relatively healthy. So you can get something relatively healthy there. I mean, I like Jimmy John's a lot. Yeah.
01:57:14
Torben Rothgeb
Yeah. There's some pretty good sandwich. There's quite a few good subway shops. I mean, yeah I like Potbelly. It's my favorite. Potbelly is very good. Yeah. So yeah.
01:57:25
Torben Rothgeb
Which we're on the ninth podcast. It's amazing. We're almost into double figures. We're going to have to have an anniversary. yeah We will have to have a a greatest hits episode.
Conclusion and Thanks
01:57:38
Torben Rothgeb
um Well, thank you for joining me on a ah weeknight. yeah um And look forward to... Yeah, for you guys, yeah everything's a weekend when you're retired. For me, it's a weeknight.
01:57:52
Torben Rothgeb
But we're still doing the WIDA testing, so I'm just basically logging kids in, and they're taking tests. So it's ah easy but kind of boring, but maybe I'll i'll order some have some time to watch another great Cooter's Tow Truck episode.
01:58:08
Torben Rothgeb
Let's look at some of your models. Yes. All right. Well, thank you to all the listeners. Shout out to Randy and Paul out there. um Maybe Chad will be able to get on with Andy's or the Apple podcast.
01:58:24
Torben Rothgeb
hu So I want you guys to have a great night. Remember to keep building, and we'll talk to you very soon for our very, very special episode 10.
01:58:35
Torben Rothgeb
ten Thank you. I like the 57.