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Just Craftin' - Episode 001
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On this special bonus episode, Shawn, Ed, and Chris go further down the hobby craft rabbit hole. They discuss some of their current projects and what's next.
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Introduction and Podcast Concept
00:00:01
Speaker
So, uh, welcome to this new podcast. Maybe, well, we'll see. We're kind of incorporating two podcasts. People into one, but into this, uh, podcast that we're going to kind of call like a just crafting podcast. But my name is Ed Bussart and I'm here with two other fellas, one from across the country. to the west. Mr. Sean, how you doing? I'm good, buddy. I'm good. I'm i'm excited to to see if we can get through one of these without it just going completely off the rails. So yeah, I'm excited. i love I love talking about this stuff with you guys. I feel like maybe, I mean, we're we're still trying to figure out the name for this, but I feel like off the rails should be incorporated with crafting. And that might be the name of this podcast.
00:00:57
Speaker
But anyway, we're also here with Mr. Chris from across the pond. Chris Hall, how you doing? I'm good, mate. I'm good. Excited to be here talking about something that I really like and I'm interested in. Yes, we all are. We all are. But anyway, um we kind of just like we've been talking about this for a while now on previous episodes of just shilling and scruffy looking podcasters. We're like, we should do a fucking crafting podcast or episode and talk about it. I feel like this can
Crafting Accountability and Project Management
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be an ongoing thing. Maybe not like every week, but.
00:01:36
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Generally, because, you know, you get projects and you work on them over time and we can just go over our procedure and maybe even run, run your procedures by the others and they can give you recommendations, questions, that kind of thing. And, uh, yeah, I think, I think this could be a start of something that might happen semi-regularly. What do you guys think? Let's just see what happens over the next hour or so. let's see if we can Let's see if we can get through one. And I'm just looking for some accountability buddies. So some of these modeling boxes start getting opened and completed. Yes. Ooh. If we can chat about cool fun stuff along the way, then that would be fantastic. Yeah, that accountability. Yes. I could go into the name of this podcast. Yeah.
00:02:26
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Let's stop time with the homies. Yeah, hobby time. Oh, hobby. Oh, yes. Man, you are. Yes, please. No, I like that. I like that. count I had my caffeine today. I'm looking at my table of shame. We all have those gathering dust over there. So I got to put it behind you so you don't see it all the time. That's the guy. Tip number one. Put your shame pile. Out of view. Put it behind you so you don't have to look at it. Put it in a drawer and close it. I understand why she likes that position now. but up but but but i have i think I love it. Where is it? I have a thing. We have a soundboard, gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen. Hey. I'm I'm going to not be out again. Anyway.
Ed's Crafting Experience and Techniques
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00:03:26
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I say we start out every one of these, if we're going to continue to do this with whatever you're working on currently and, um, the latest thing you've done to it. You know what I'm saying? Or if you have any yeah trouble. How about that? Want to do that and go around the horn with that? That's a good yes a good yeah jump point. yeah I'm going to start because mine's easy. And I won't talk much about it. Then we can move to you guys. I am not currently particularly working on anything. However, as you guys know, the audience doesn't know, but I've been, I've painted a lot of content. I painted a lot of things. I didn't want, I'm into Warhammer and all that. Um, I, I, my next thing I'm going to work, I will, I promise in this next week, because we're doing this in this next week, I will be painting this job of the hut miniature.
00:04:19
Speaker
from imperial assault. And it's going to happen. It's going to happen. He's already primed. He looks already primed. all already That's the problem. That's that doesn't matter, does it? If it's primed, you think it would. You think it would. Like, oh, the first step, the annoying step is over. No. Well, well, it is. It is something I will say it does count for something because sometimes, like, especially as somebody who uses a lot of enamels and stuff like that, giving giving that primer Maybe this is my copium. I don't know. It could be like giving it an extra day or two to dry or in your case, maybe a lot longer. in A couple months. It makes that primer really, really hard. And then you don't have to worry about going over the top of like a like a lacquer primer or something the like the best canvas right now. Like it just wants to be colored. Did you any name did you zenithal highlight a job of the hut who has like
00:05:12
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very Fuck yeah, I did. I zenithall everything. And for the audience, it doesn't know what the zenithall highlight. yeah me that's Might not be the audience co-host that doesn't know. So a bit of ownership here. i am yeah I am probably the newest to the crafting. Yeah. I don't want to call it a scene. What do I call it? Like I've not been doing thatbb this as long. It's a hoy hobby hobby hobby. Yeah. yeah yeah i I will not call it a scene. I will tell you that now, but you are the most experienced in art. I will say.
00:05:43
Speaker
I assume. Yes. ah Because that's what you do for a living. So we could we we could get into that. But yeah, yeah, yeah. I've not been actively pursuing this hobby as long as Ed and Sean. So this is I'm going to learn a lot from this, which I'm excited about. So Xenophobe highlight. Xenophobe. Xenophobe. Yes. Right. I'm not sure why it's named that. We can Google it at some point. But um It's when you take a miniature, or anything, and you spray paint it for me, you spray paint it black, everything black all over. And then this is it's all spray paint. And then you take a lighter spray paint, usually white leaning towards white.
00:06:32
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e And you spray from the top or at an angle down to like, I don't know, like it's a light. degree Yeah. Like like a light from the top. So you're going to spray down onto the model from all angles above. Yeah. So it leaves black in the crevices and below stuff that's not facing up. but i think it i I believe it spun like the the common scene usage of it. I think it spun out of a lot of the the the wargaming miniatures like you guys have to paint a lot of these things.
00:07:12
Speaker
So it's ah it's an easy way to get ah cheap shading like in shadows instead of like painting them all gray and then painting your base colors and then going in with darker colors. It's like you can you can get like the basic gray light to dark scale from like ah a light source and then come in with thinned paints over the top of it and kind of have it be transparent. And now you've achieved with three colors a scaled version of your ah youre like layering. Yeah, you get shading and highlights all in. Yeah. So what's next in that process then after you've got that? So now what what paint it on the shelf for three years? Yeah, yeah. forget about it For a month. So so it depends on what you want to do. um If you really want to go all in on it, you don't go with the what's called contrast slash speed paint route, which is what I usually do. But if you want to go in on it. Right.
00:08:10
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Like a real artist, you use actual acrylics and all you do with the zenithal highlight that's already your canvas is use that as a guide as to where shading would be. OK, does that make sense? Yeah. And then you paint around it and over it and do highlights off that. It's also a nice base because as you may or may not know, adding paints on top acrylic paints on top of other paint, it does actually contribute to that color in the light, because if you you add like brown to black, it's going to be a darker brown on top of black. You add a brown on top of white. It's going to be lighter.
00:08:52
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You might need and more coats of paint to like make it more distinguished. But ah yeah, it's all experience. But I generally cheat and do contrast paint immediately. Especially something like this job of the hut. I'm just going to keep talking about this job of the hut. What's contrast paint? Yeah, OK. I'm going to say it right now. So contrast paint is like cheating paint. It makes you look amazing. at coming in Coming in hot. Nine minutes in.
Painting Techniques and Challenges
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Love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So contrast paint is a paint. It's like a little oily. I don't know. but itre thin yeah so it It's a paint that loves crevices. It's attracted to like cracks in your model.
00:09:46
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So when you paint over like this job of the hotel with all these wrinkles in it, it will like a brown is what I will. who I will start with a brown on it and i then I'll add like yellows and greens, I think. But um ah it'll it'll pull into the the cracks and create a shade like a darkened shading area. Into those crevices, which which is what you want. on it on anything like that. If you want to get super technical about it, paint is usually a medium and a pigment. Acrylic paints you normally like most craft paints are a medium and then the pigment is usually very well dispersed throughout it to be solid no paint. A contrast paint is usually put into a medium where
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you can have like a lower pigment value in it. So it's more medium. So that way you can blob it on. And there's just paint blobbing all over the place. And then as it dries, it's pooling up in the crevice is kind of like a like a wash, in a way, but thicker and and and stronger with like brighter colors. And so then it'll pool in the crevices and dry and and the best contrast paint will keep some color. on the non crevice, the stuff, the parts that are sticking out. So so you have, like, for in this case, the zenithal highlight I did was a, like, an off white, a bone white. That'll come through more with a glaze of brown on the surfaces that are
00:11:30
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uh, more, oh yeah yeah yeah, on top. And then the, because it's pulling into the cracks. So, so contrast paint in a way is the best over a lighter base. Cause then you, you throw it over a lighter base, it'll pull into the darker ones. And then if it's a Zenithal even better, cause it's making those darker and then the light, yeah. And then the light. of the white paint you put underneath comes through on the upper surfaces. So if you put contrast paint on a dark base color, it doesn't necessarily give you. Yeah, it's not great. Right. This makes sense to something I've done recently, because I've got in my hand a Citadel color contrast
00:12:20
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Rattling grime. I don't know what that is. It's a newer one. Good one. Yeah. So on a recent trip to Warhammer. So Chris lives near Warhammer world. Fuck you. I'm jealous. So I'm i'm not a gamer or a war gamer. I. My interest in this hobby is to build my own things from scratch or kit bash things together to make my own little creations, which I've been making some droids and stuff. But I've learned enough from Ed through the years about painting. I'm hoping I learn a lot more as we go on.
00:13:09
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I have just learned and what that I've fucked up and used the wrong thing on the wrong thing, which I'm going to explain. So I picked up a bunch of paints recently, um and I don't know what I'm buying when I go in. And the sweaters that work in there always surround me and ask me what kind of, what am I working on? And I fumble. What army are you painting, Chris? What army? Uh, just working on my, uh, I don't know. I just fumbled it and I just say it works. Yeah. Yeah. My neck runs. My neck runs. Oh God. And then they're going to ask me, uh, what are those, what are those fucking killer monsters mate that you do? Tyranids. Tyranids. That's, that's the word I'm looking for. Yeah. I'm just working. I'm going to the store with the like written on your hand. So that way when you're like, what are you working on? It's like, uh, to, to hear, uh, hold on while they check. your hands
00:14:03
Speaker
So anyway, on my last visit there, I picked up a load of paints and I bought this contrast rattling grime um and I've recently used it on this droid that I'm halfway through. However, the base color. I hate how good you are at this. It's be the base color is a really dark green and it didn't give me the effect that I thought it was going to give me. Are you trying to do weathering like on that? Is that what you're hoping for? So I think so. I would lean more towards a wash like a ah wash. Yeah. So in the past, I've made my own washes where I've got some ah white spirits and a bit of like acrylic paint, mixed it together to make a really thin wash and just like brushed it over the top, let it dry. And then it's looked wicked and it's like, it's gone into all the crevices and stuff like that. I couldn't be asked to make a wash.
00:15:00
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So I just used this because I thought it was going to do the job because it looked thin and washy, but it's kind of like, I might actually start again on this and restore my, yeah. So it'll cling. It's probably clinging more to the services that you didn't want yeah that's what so lying to do. What I'm actually going to do now is I'm going to spray this black because I've got some chaos black and I've got some Wraith bone and I'm going to Zenithal highlight it and start again. So fun fact, you said Wraith bone. That's what I painted this Java with. So over the black, but yeah, I don't know if you guys can see it. It's come out like it's dark. It's yes lot shot shiny as well. It's not so la contrast. Oh, shiny. yeah I can, I can help. like green Is that green contrast that you used on now the green? The green is a base color. Okay.
00:15:54
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um interesting And then I also did some dry dry brushing on it before with some silver. And this I would do I would do like like a yellowy green for highlight. Yeah, me. You know what I mean? ah So silver silver is only gray on like actual metal like that's like, you know, metal looking without paint. Yeah, yeah. Because I've got all these rivets on it. I just thought. Oh, the rivets definitely use silver. Yes. Yeah. So I did a light brush over the top wanting to like pick those up. But then I put this on after. So would you dry brush first and then contrast or contrast and then dry brush? kind of I would wash yeah like I have i that something called Agrax Earthshade, which is a brownish wash, dark wash. And I would do that if you want a dirty grime and then
00:16:50
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highlight drop with a bright silver dry brush. So so I have a slightly different recommendation. So since Ed, ed cost there there's a lot of ways to do things. Yeah, there's there's a billion ways to to to to have roast this. Ed comes from primarily like a correct me if I'm wrong, like a war gaming, a war gaming background where there's definitely a lot of quantity, smaller scale. Usually um you really kind of want to get it done. Um, my, my background is more, I kind of came from X wing miniatures and moved into kind of like scale modeling, um, larger scales, things like that. Um, from, I think previously, like right before we recorded, I think we were talking about, like, I was talking about enamels and Ed, Ed, correct me if I'm wrong, you don't, you are not a big enamel guy. Well, I just don't use that. Yeah. Yeah. You're not trying to get the.
00:17:42
Speaker
the enamel lung like I am. The sheen is a provide. I don't know the difference, really. I just assume it's harder to I like. So I don't. I'm not a huge fan of acrylic paints like acrylics as we know them, especially like war gaming paints. They're too thick for my liking. And I really don't like to thin my own paints and keep a wet palette and all this. Just I can't be bothered, which is what I do. Yes. Yeah, and so I have I use a lot of so I'll do like a like a ah lacquer.
00:18:13
Speaker
or like an enamel kind of primer, uh, then do acrylics on top through airbrushing, whatever, whatever. But to Chris's point where he's got his, he's got a droid. It's, it's green. He's got rivets and metal parts. And the kind of, this is, this is kind of like where I, my favorite part of modeling. It's like, I hate doing the primer and the base layer colors. It's like, it's so boring. It's like, but I get, I get stuck in this weeds of like, what is the next process? Cause I hate, I don't want to repeat myself and waste product. And so you were talking about how it's kind of shiny. And so a lesson that I learned at some point was kind of like the order of this.
00:18:52
Speaker
Like sealing in the base layers, moving into like like, you can, so say you have your base color, you're green. You can put, you can do a dry brush for the rivets. I would then
Sealing and Weathering Techniques
00:19:03
Speaker
seal it with a, a gloss clear coat, the whole thing. It's not your final product. You don't want it to be glossy, but then you really kind of want it to be glossy. Yes, like you can do that with airbrushes. You can do it with like rattle cans, airbrushes. I'm not I'm not there yet, mate. I would get a rattle can. There's some really good ones. Testers, AK Interactive, all these other ones, MiG. I reckon it's getting matte and gloss. Yeah, you want both you want you. You absolutely want both to. I would seal it in gloss because gloss makes weathering.
00:19:41
Speaker
better and easier. So like you could put enamels and stuff over the top and it will flow better like it'll do panel lining and stuff to smoother. And so because if you do it, Matt, Matt catches the the medium and we'll just stop. And then you'll get like that you'll have to keep touching it and getting blobs everywhere. But if it's gloss, everything flows smoothly and you can do like streaking where you put like paint on, let it dry a little bit, then come back in with like mineral spirits and kind of like wick it away and kind of pull it into like water rust lines and grime lines and things like that. That goes really well over gloss. Then you can hit it with like a matte spray and it'll matte the whole thing down.
00:20:21
Speaker
And then that's, that's what I, that's what I usually do. And then I'll come in with more metallic paint and hit the rivets again, because the matte paint, the matte clear coat will dull down metal. So then you can just kind of come back and hit the metal again as like a final. And so then you've got your matte finish with your weathering underneath and then metal on top. And then you get a lot of steps. Yeah, it's about. Oh my God, bro. I'm just kidding. I love it. I got it. No, no, no. It makes sense when you have one model like like I'm i'm obviously I'm doing an army. So I'm like, I'm trying to like. So I'm using these washes that are made to go over acrylic, blah, blah, blah. But you're totally right. Like i I've heard I've heard things where like oil paints and stuff. They're just so good at like pulling into cracks like easily. Like if you're doing white,
00:21:14
Speaker
with black, like a white paneled I do battle tech miniatures like a fucking giant robot. Like there's a technique where you use oil paint, black oil paint over a white glossed. Yeah, like surface and it makes an amazing looking robot. Yeah. Clear coats. Clear coats are like that's my biggest thing. It's like I I wasn't a fan of it before because like when I'm working, I want to work. But I'm a huge, huge fan of like clear coats now because it's like if you get to a point where it's like this is this is good. I don't want to.
00:21:50
Speaker
mess it up with the next thing I do clear coat it and then you can come in and that's why I really like enamels because it's like oh I can do sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy then mineral spirits it away but I can't do that and push it around or pull it away yeah yeah because if I have it clear coated that mineral spirits is going to eat through that the acrylic probably destroy my plastic depending on what am I my my plastics made out of so you continuously seal and have the primers, the clear coats, and you can kind of work in steps without worrying about, well, I just screwed up the whole thing and it's bubbling up my acrylic underneath. I guess I better start again. So it's this whole. Sometimes I rework it, sometimes I don't.
00:22:32
Speaker
I will say like there's more uses for that kind of spray, too. It's not just sealing. I like I've gotten requests from people that are like, can you paint this and stuff like that? And it's like, I don't know. It's like all you do if you're worried about paint sticking is you take went the matte. Clear as coat spray. Initial it may be two coats over top of any kind of surface. then it's a canvas and shit will stick to it. Like, especially the matte spray, like you were saying, cloth gives it gri gives it grip, yeah gives it grip. Exactly. It's like it's like when you rough up whatever to paint it. Like, I don't know what I'm talking about, like with a sander on the wall or whatever. Well, you see, because I scratch build and. And build. The the base, the basic structure of my droids out of junk.
00:23:28
Speaker
like everyday high household items. I have to sand all of that first. yeah you otherwise ah Otherwise I'm fucked later on. So you don't if you use the matte spray yeah over it, a couple coats, you won't need to do that. oh Because ah that'll provide the cure. Depending on how like crazy some of the stuff is, you can also use a like ah like a ah filling primer, like a self-leveling filling primer with like a little bit of Like it's a, it's almost like ah like a gray primer, but it's got, it's got like really little gray. It's not like, ooh, it's like sandpaper. It's like little, almost like a putty inside of it. So you can still airbrush it. It's very fine, but it'll cover up like sanding scratches and fill small, yeah very small gaps. So Chris, you do the mat, the mat spray that or whatever. And then, then you do a base coat spray and then you're golden. It's canvas. Sweet.
00:24:26
Speaker
Do you build it all at one time? Like do you build the whole thing as one big unit? Then do it all at once? Or do you ever? This is a quite open question for everybody. Do you ever build components and pieces and then paint those and then assemble then do more on top? Oh, good question. Chris, go ahead. ah Do you paint individual parts arms then and legs and then attach them? Or do you do you do all at once? so far i've built them solid and then painted them however i've done and that's been easy because it's been like like this guy he's been primed and he's ready to get distressed and whatnot and this guy was built so i just hit him yeah it's like a body and not a lot of limbs however
00:25:15
Speaker
I've got this one on the go at the minute that's very complicated. And I really wish that I'd painted his legs and his arms separately. Cause getting in there and the crevices was an absolute ball ache. So just learning, just in the process learning as we go along. And I'll know next time to paint things separately before, if it's a bit more complicated like that. Yeah. So I'm not, I'm not a hardcore, like paint them all the pieces individually. But like, I think, I think the one I learned from was like my Y wing. Like I built a Star Wars, like Bandai Y wing build where it's like realizing I should have done like the core ship and then painted the pipes separate. Like, cause ifs there's so much piping and green blades along the edges. It's so hard to use like an airbrush or even, I couldn't even imagine doing it with like a brush.
00:26:12
Speaker
underneath all the pipes, you just get so many blobs and things like that. Unless you're willing to do just insanely thin paint repeatedly over and over and over and over and over again. It's like, I saw like the
Modeling Styles and Learning Experiences
00:26:23
Speaker
pipes and stuff on your droid. And that's what I was wondering. It's like, Oh, have you run into any issues where it's like the little kind of thin piping causes issues or like just pain points with any of that stuff? Cause that's something that definitely I've struggled with. I've got so much to say, like these questions go away. Oh, my God. I have felt with this shit and I have my ways around it. There are yeah cheating ways around all this. So like. Yeah, you can paint pieces. I've done it like I'll put the cape over here. I'll paint the cape and then attach it later and then, you know, touch it up. I found.
00:27:04
Speaker
especially with Warhammer. Like if you, if you paint everything black to start and you kind of zenithal highlight even in pieces, but not maybe not even in pieces, put it all together, the black, but paint it black in pieces first is the better idea, especially on a character that's a boss, you know, like, like this is a one dude. It's not, you're not painting 70 of the same thing. It's like this one dude. And you'll find that the crevices are already black because you painted them black and they need to be black because they are in under the cape or under the arm or whatever. It's like wearing a ah a black mask underneath the helmet. It's like if it's black, then you can't see what you're actually saying. And you don't need even hiding. can And I found you don't even need to worry about painting it.
00:27:56
Speaker
Because it's already what it needs to be. And even if some of the paint that you're painting around it gets in there, that's fine. It can have like a slight glaze of that purple cape you're doing or whatever. Like, that's fine. But um that that seemed to solve some of those crevice problems that I had. Like i i like some of the space rooms I was painting, like underneath things and around things, it's just like, well, it's already black. I don't need to fucking deal with it. So. Yeah. Yeah. that to Speaking of the zenithal thing again, it it is interesting. It's like you were saying like, oh, I love I love to do kind of sub builds like when I built this resin Teenage Ninja Turtle where it's got some really precarious areas like up underneath the shell like where his butt is or like up under his he's like wearing like a kilt kind of thing like you got it. So like I'll take the kill thing off and take the shell I take the shell off paint all the subsections black.
00:28:46
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dry fit it all together, like with the resin, I'd use like hot glue to glue it all together. Yeah, it's tough to glue. Yeah. Because you don't. That's a whole nother thing, gluing. Don't zenith all things that are separate, zenith all it all together, dry fit and then pull it all back apart again if you need. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And you can pull it back apart and then paint. But yeah, you got it. You got to kind of have the big picture in your mind as you're doing it because you're like, do I need to spend time doing the color here? It's under the cape. Like, no. like that's gonna be it's shaded it's gonna be black black yeah no one's gonna look at that under there are they no I'm not winning competitions I don't care so that's what I found over time like I the stopped bothering about that and trying to get my fucking tiny brush into a tiny like trench of yeah it's
00:29:37
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I'm saying if I can think about it, if I can think about it a little bit ahead of time in a like I would love to avoid any tiny brush stuff that is not but like my core color or the really fun weathering that I love to spend time on. Like, yeah. Highlights not want to touch anything up. Highlights is the biggest thing for a tiny brush. If you're not dry brushing. And there's a time and place for dry brushing. Definitely. It's not cheating. It's ah amazing. Now, this guy's got opinions. i He's already crapping on contrast paints and now he's calling also dry brushes, not dry brushing with a cosmetic brush. And there's also dry brushing with a wide fucking this kind of brush. It's like an inch and a half wide. And it depends on what you're what you're highlighting. And it does better on.
00:30:27
Speaker
Like I did I did I did these these crates these you know those war hammer like fucking trailer crate, you know, on the back of a truck truck trailer. Anyway, there's like long rectangular angles, 90 degree angles, and you want to highlight them. This giant fucking flat brush that I got with my Mod Podge kit. Mod does really well at like just dry brushing long angles like it's it's really good.
00:31:06
Speaker
So, Chris, did you have did you have did you have any other questions or like things you're running into with that that droid because you said you were going to you're going to clear coat it again or prime it again. Look at that thing. That looks like it's the Star Wars container from the back of the hover tank. Yeah, it's just this this is the trade I was talking about more. hammer Yeah. So like like there's a lot of lines. So like I find a wider brush is better at dry brushing it.
00:31:36
Speaker
But when it comes to like dry brushing, tiny, tiny miniatures with lots of details, then I then I go more to like a softer, bristly. um
00:31:48
Speaker
Makeup brush and those are cheap, cheap as fuck. Yeah, makeup. Yes, like that. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is this is a makeup brush. This is from so just some YouTube crafters that these are like the best for dry brushing. Yeah. and and And you the technique. wrotete Yeah. Don't steal your brushes from your partner if they keep if they have them. They do not like that. And then put it back. no Oh, God. Yes, Sean, I have learned this, learned this pro tip the bad way. Yes. And they're much cheaper than like advertised dry brush, dry brush.
00:32:30
Speaker
And then i'll I'll use like this shit. Ooh, dry neck compound from Citadel. Citadel color. Nice. And then I've got these two, but I've not used them yet. So Chris, you'll find darker silvers and lighter silvers and you'll like heavily dry brush with a darker one. And you'll be like a nice lighter dry brush with a brighter silver over top. Also, which also works on gold. Yeah. well The first yeah case you build like a C3PO or something. Yep. That's not which which we don't. It's not going to happen. You're not going to build a C3PO. No. No. Can you imagine if someone that you.
00:33:12
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thought you liked and found out that you were into crafting and decided they were going to send you loads of greeblest to work on and slipped in a ah C-3PO model ah in the package. Who would do that? I don't know. Interesting. What a dick. It'd be crazy if they were like like you. It'd be crazy if there was like multiple C-3PO parts in there, like not just one, but I think there would be maybe two. Oh, really? Yeah, there was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was. yeah I mean, if I had to, if I had to assume this person's intentions, it's because they too don't care for that character. And I'm like, I'm never, I'm never going to build this. That's just me. Oh, you just said I, was that you? yeah like i If I was, if I was, if I had to put myself in the shoes of that individual, ah you're like, okay. Well, I don't like this, this character. What should I do with it? I'll send it to the guy that is up internet hate internet known for his hating him more.
00:34:10
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Because maybe maybe if I had, once again, if I had to put myself in that person's shoes, maybe they thought they could use these as greeblies to make it, not a C-3PO, and make it into other things.
00:34:33
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we We took this, ah we we've kind of gone off the rails a little bit because we were going to go around the horn and talk about what we're working on. And oh yeah start no you started off with the jabber. And then, obviously, I started asking questions, and it snowballed from there. So, yes. So is that what you're working on, Chris? That's that's your current project is the... Chris, what are you working on? So it's those droids that we've just been talking about that I've scratch built and kit bashed. So the latest one is the green one? or Yeah. So I built three at the same time um because I kept finding in little bits.
00:35:17
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rubbing it in. So there's there's I'm doing I'm getting I will say Chris there's different artistic styles like cartoony to like whatever realist and and you could you could make forced lighting effect lighting yeah on a cylinder and you know how that works because you're an artist and do that on that droid or you can roll with it and Not to that. I don't know. Like I don't I don't. There's we're different ways to paint a cylinder and the droids kind of a cylinder. Oh, yeah. So the green the green one that we're talking about, this was the so I built these three and this dude's my favorite. um And then we've just talked about how I fucked it up, but I've learned quite a lot in the last. That's debatable. The last minute. You did not. I'm going to start again.
00:36:13
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with the, I've written all this down. I've got a black prime, white prime from above. Wait, you're going to you're going to restart. Don't know. He's going to wipe the whole thing. And that's what I was like. Are you kidding me? I think it looks amazing. No, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait. It's it's it's still dark. You can highlight over it and fix it all. It's easy. ah His yeah his his contrast paint was it's kind of gloopy because ah because I don't know if he is kind of you didn't say you didn't. Did you use contrast? Yeah. channel Yeah. That's black. Oh, it's gone. Oh, it's glossy. And I don't want it to be.
00:36:50
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Contrast paint, as we discussed earlier, earlier is yeah goes to the crevices. It's not recommended for panels. It's not a wash. So I just went over the whole thing. Yeah, so it will create blotchiness instead of watching this. Yeah, which is why it's great. It's great for do it will buy what you see it. did It's great for stuff like Jabba's skin because there's lots of wrinkles. You know what I'm saying? But when you have a lot of smooth surfaces. No, yeah. So I did a wash. I did a wash on this guy and that didn't that didn't.
00:37:26
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That wasn't contrast though, right? No, no, no. That was a wash that I... like Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wash is fine. Yes. Yeah. So contrast, contrast, don't do it on large, smooth surfaces. Yeah. No. Contrast is more for smaller than and the war hammery kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. When you have a lot of like it's like crevices. Yeah. I was being lazy basically because I didn't want to make a wash. So I use this because it looked like one. Yeah. And I've learned from that mistake. So you can fix it. You could take it. You could take that and turn it into a wash. You could. You could. You don't even need to redo it. You could totally fix it. What would I thin this out with?
00:38:05
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I'd have to look. I don't know what its base is. There's mediums. I don't know. Yeah. man um You could dry brush over that now. That's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? I'm excited. You could take a lighter green. Repaint the whole thing. Dry brush over it with a lighter green on the paneling. But you know what? Paneling, as I've learned lately, is great with an airbrush. Am I right, Sean? Well, I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet. They don't let go down that rabbit hole yet. This is what a fuck this up, right? So we're going to black prime it.
00:38:43
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Then I'm going to do a white prime with my Wraith bone rattle can from above, which is a zenithal highlight nfl highlight. Yes. that guy And then I'm going to base color it. Then I'm going to wash it. Then I'm going to dry brush it. And then I'm going to weather it. And then take a tiny brush and highlight what you want. Yeah, yeah, that's I'd call that part of the weathering. That's the best part. That is the most fun part, in my opinion, of um is the final like that. I'll try that first before I use the map. Lock it in with the gloss on the map, Sean. Yeah. seaunn yeah
00:39:25
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I want to try that process yeah first. I some iphon part unless you have to do like 70 of them, then it's not the
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00:39:31
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most fun. Yeah, I would. I would do your first clear coat after you do your base coloring before you do the wash because washes will flow better and you won't get that blobbiness because ah the the pigment will spread. So I agree with that. Yes. Um, and I haven't done that because it's an extra step and I'm getting lots of miniatures. However, Citadel's washes, the newer ones now are way better at going towards crevices on acrylic paints. It's true in less. So the normal oils are better. The Agraxes are better.
00:40:09
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But I think as somebody like, maybe you agree with this, that is like you have more experience with the product. So you know, you know, the thickness and consistency of a non oil. And like for somebody like Chris, or maybe like a beginner who will not know how far something will spread. If you do not, if you do not clear coat on top of your base color and you put something on like what what he has there now like that contrast bank, you can't pull it back off because your pull off. that yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like it's especially if you're going to use like a matte spray later on, there's no issue with clearing clear coating.
00:40:47
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It could just it just buys you like it's true for those who do for those who know digital digital art. It saves a version so you can go back to it in case you mess it up. That is very true. But then you have to have a. It's spray paint step. So you got to like I don't know where you do spray painting. You got to go outside. I do it in my basement with a mask.
00:41:09
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That's what I don't know what your rush is because it's somebody who hasn't picked up that rain core and I don't know how long I don't know what you're talking about. OK, I should do it without a mask. and so No, no, the mask. But I'm saying, like, yeah, it's an extra step, but it's. just No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I agree. I agree. and Yeah. I mean, when when you're when you have a lot of stuff to paint and you don't you want to get that. Yeah. When you have just a droid, do everything. Fucking do every step you. Yeah, it's. Like spray, like Matt, spray it get. That's your next thing. Matt, Matt, Matt, spray. Yeah. Spray by those two. you get And And they always always hit with metallic and extra metallic at the end after all. So what I've got, I've I've written down two processes here. I've written down the ed process and the Sean process.
00:42:06
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So what ah what I'm going to do is try both and report back. And then we'll see. And I will say highlighting is different on bigger things. So like yeah I have experienced painting knights in Warhammer, which are like giant fucking robots. versus tiny little gribblies like interior. Yeah. And highlighting on a bigger figure is different. Like you don't need to do the entire edge. So like, for instance, I have a chaos night that I painted and paneled with airbrush, but that doesn't mean anything. So highlighting around the edge on the metal, I took a a foam
00:42:57
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Uh, I whipped some foam from some packaging. It's not like what you think. I don't know. How do you describe that Sean? Do you know like, like the ah foam, like a, like a sponge brush, yeah sponge, spongy foam, spongy foam. And I dipped it in some silver, uh, rubbed it on some paper towel first. Not so it's pretty dry. And I just dry sponging, dry sponging, dry sponging. I just blotched it on the edges. Because you don't need to get the entire it's bigger. It's a big model. So you don't need to get the entire edge like in its nice uniform line, just like I just did it on the edges. And because it's a chaos night, it's weather, it wants to be weathered. It's not like a perfect looking figure. So like I blotched the metal on the edge. And it created like this like, like chipped paint
00:43:52
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yet still highlight feature along that edge. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's like ah it's like a chipping. You do like you do the same thing with like chipping damage, like where you take a sponge, like you rip it. So it's kind of chaotic. Dip it in a color and then you can like do the chip damage with that kind of thing, which is really lightly touching. it But you're doing it on an edge to your kind of edge highlighting and chip damage at the same time. Yeah. It kind of bring both those effects in at the same time. Bloody show off. That's what you are. I it's all I watch YouTube videos, man. I just pull everything together in my own thing. That's what I do. You see, i yes this is great because I watch that much shit and I never retain. I love it. Well, I'm watching it and I'm like, i'll I'll remember parts of it, but I don't retain it all. So now I've written that process down. This conversation's fucking so exciting to me because.
00:44:44
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I've got a process now rather than I watch a video and I'll be like sick. I can't wait to try that. three weeks go by. I'm still looking at my table of shame. He sat there primed. I get to paint him. Oh, what, what, what am I supposed to be doing again? Where was that video that I watched? Yeah. Well, in those videos, they'll just, they'll, I don't know if you've ever seen that meme on the internet where it's like, Oh, how to draw an owl. You draw two circles and you do this. And then like step four is like draw the rest of the owl. And it's like a photo realistic out. Like that's how those videos are sometimes. Oh my god, I'm gonna do this. Yes. then it And then it's like, Oh, now do these steps. It's like, I don't understand what you did. Like, get here. Like, what what product did you use? Like, I just use some basic white paint. It's like, that's such bullshit. It's so bullshit. Like, my I do that. And it's blobbed up. And my humidity is different. You know, they had a blah, blah, blah, whatever, whatever. And so it is a bit of like,
00:45:40
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I like I like some of the books, like I'm i'm not an avid book reader, but like some of the modeling books where they have all the pictures of like, here's what it will look like after you do this thing. It's like it's not going to look perfect, but at least gives me the confidence of like, okay, I see where they where they went, where they end up, and here's where they start. And I can see the different pieces in between. And so I can learn to recognize some of that. um ends and then learn the product. The products are a big thing, too. And I think that's I've had this question in the back of my mind the whole time for Ed. I'm like, OK, you're big in the Warhammer, you're big into the those kind of things. It's like my question for you is like, how do you keep your pots from drying out? Because I think that was always my biggest issue with some of the pots, is like pots are the little the little paint cups that like Chris was shown earlier. So people who are audio notorious. like ah Actually, the only company, I think,
00:46:31
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that I know of that does those stupid pots. I thought the little plastic pots, a little rubber top on top. Yeah, it's like I've I've had a billion sitting over dried out. Yeah. I am a so bigger fan of the dropper, like you put it on your switch to wet palette, and it's so much better. You just you just drop a little ball bearing in there and shake it up like something. Most of them have ball bearings in them now. They come. Yeah, they're already inside. And so my recommendation for people who have those little pots, if it's as long as if it's a regular paint, I drop a little bit of thinner or medium and more paints have them. Yeah, a mini. Yeah. And all. And like it kind of keeps it stirred up if you.
00:47:12
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Um, army pain don't last forever. do um Yeah. Army pain. I want to talk about. Yeah. there And Chris is showing off his ball bear there. yeah There they are. In this audio medium. Um, I want to talk about highlighting again, because there's different qualities of highlighting because I painted this tyranny dude. Um, the emissary, I think his name is, but like, I dry brushed his highlights. So I took, it's a purple armor. It's a purple armor. And I took like a lighter whitish purple and dry brushed over it to bring out the surfaces and edges. Okay. It's a lot of crevices. A lot of crevices. is This, this guy was an intense.
00:48:09
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Figured a paint and I really love him. However. I also got another kind of facts later and did something different for the highlighting. And you can see maybe I'm going to show it on here, but I took my a tiny brush and I did little nicks on the edges kind of for those who are trying to follow along, it kind of looks like a an alien that's like an albino lobster. Yeah, that's a turn. Let's turn it. But yeah, so like on every edge, I kind of like took the brush and did little lines. It took fucking forever, however. Looks way better. Yeah.
00:48:58
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that is a topic for another that I would love to cover another time it's like what is like what when people say what looks good like there's definitely like war war gaming styles like cel shading or like the intense grading of values then there's like photo realistic and things like that we should definitely talk about that. i'm amazing It's ah it's it's it's it's it's it comes down to time commitment and what you want to spend on that particular model. um And obviously the number of models of that type you have to paint is another situation. But so these both these both are ah only one offs like I only painted one of them and kind of what kind of man hours are you pumping into that ed dude days.
00:49:44
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a lot of pain. It's a lot. The. The because it's Kaitan. So it's like like I'm I'm painting little nicks on every edge. And it looks fucking amazing, but I'm not going to do that for every single little bug I have. No. So how many how many hours would you say you put into that? Like if you had to guess, like you don't even sit down and work on hours. I am just going to average out because I don't really know. I'm going to look at like all my models and be like that. That's probably looking at everything probably like three days of. Six hours each, I don't know.
00:50:22
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So you're pumping you're pumping out stuff way faster than I do. like but it's my my my should i say this on here My work allows for me to like go back and forth, work, add some pain yeah paint, go back to work. Sure, Ed, sure. Sure, sure, sure. So these guys... These guys that are winning these golden axes every year. Dude. What kind of hours are they? You don't want to know how many hours. Dude, it's insane. Why are they chunking in? Because that shit's crazy. It's a lot. That is insane talent. And a lot of that. And it's down to manipulation of an airbrush and using resin, using
00:51:12
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the watery resin with the clear resin for water like all that stuff like there's some really creative stuff out there. Yeah. Uh, the thing, the thing that you should really watch are like the, the speed painting, the speed painting things. Cause that's where you like, you see people demonstrate like pure technique and mastering of a certain skill, like where you can, you can learn from like taking shortcuts. Like I'm not good with an airbrush. Like I am, I'm really not, but you can watch people do these speed painting things and it's like, Oh, there's shortcuts you can do where it's maybe not perfect, but they're using other techniques and tools to like.
00:51:49
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ah fixed shortcomings. And I also don't have a steady hand. It's like I have i I shake a lot. And so it's like, Oh, you can learn techniques of how you can get like crisp lines or whatever. There's drugs for techniques. Yeah, it's what causes my shaky hand. I can't do uppers and downers, Ed. That's not a good not a good thing to do. And so, yeah, cool. The whole thing's fun. Sorry, go ahead, Chris. Yeah, Ed's working on a jabber. I've got the robots. Sean, what yeah what are you working on? Working or i not working on?
00:52:25
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So my I have a pile of shame. You can kind of I think you can kind of see it. There's there's some over here. See you next weekend. bless Yeah, there's so the no, I'm just saying it's like so mine's also not fully behind me. um I've got a couple of projects in the works. um I my my main things that I like to do is I really like to build. I like the the building. So I do a lot of scale models, a lot of a lot of the Bandai stuff. I love building Star Wars stuff. I've done a couple of scratch builds, but I'm I have a bunch of Bandai boxes. I'm trying to work through a lot of those. The one that I'm building at the moment is a B-Wing starfighter limited edition. My favorite. No, it is. I've never given Starfighter Chris.
00:53:13
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Is it? Yeah. Yeah. I like the asymmetry of it. Yes, I'm building. So I'm holding up a picture of a B wing. But it's a limited edition version and it's got alternative paint and color guides and different things in it. Ooh. Working on building that I'm very early on. um just because it's it's an odd one because it's another odd one that I'm painting. So I'm trying to like I usually build the for starfighters. I usually build like the cockpit first and then I will paint that separately before you build everything else around it. and Do you do you do you prefer painting?
00:53:52
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a machine like that, like ah a starfighter or whatever, where it's like a little bit cleaner or do you like painting like more natural stuff like a creature or whatever? I if I had to be completely honest, I love to build ships and droids and mechanical things because like line you like like or just something I can weather like I think because figures figure painting is just insanely intimidating to me. Like, I finally built that turtle, and that's like the first figure that I've ever actually painted because it's so... Came out really good. It looks sick, dude. am am I am. um Keep doing them. It took me forever. It's also a turtle. Like, if they're like, paint a human, I'm like, haha, moles. No, thank you. It's a journey, man. Or anything that's too clean. Like, if they're like, oh, build a stormtrooper. And like, that's going to be the dirtiest stormtrooper you've ever seen in your life. Yeah. because
00:54:47
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ah stuff like Stormtroopers or even like model airplanes. Like I've built, I built like an A10. But I couldn't, I don't think I could build, yeah, an old war talk. My dad, my dad used to work on one, so I built i built it for him. um no He, but I couldn't do like the old like Mustangs or like the shiny ones where it's like all the buffed metal. Like dude, I couldn't, like that's very intimidating to me. It's down, down the line. But yeah, I'm building. I'm currently building the B wing. I also have some things that are built and they just need painted. I have a teeny, a teeny, tiny X wing that I don't know what this came with. I think it came with the Death Star set that I'm pretty sure somebody maybe received a bunch of Death Star panels. I did. Yes. Yes. But along with all this wing, the street beer parts that we've already talked about. Yeah. All your all your greeblies. So I have a little X wing that I'm working on. I have a big X wing.
00:55:44
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I have a big X wing that is like a mechanical version that when it's powered on, like it, like you can push buttons and it will like, Oh, you're going to paint that. You're going to paint it. Yeah. It's a model. Okay. It's a scale. It's a, it's a Bandai model. It just sits on top of this mechanical thing. It's got lights. So I don't have experience in Bandai. I have a couple and I'm going to get to them after my imperial soap model. They are. ah They are the biggest. Do you need. Do you need to? I assume you need to mat spray him first and then. No, I mean, they take. while i So if you're going to. If I'm worried about it, I'll just wash them with water and soap like there' was the sprues before I do anything. I've never had problems with adhesion.
00:56:31
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of paints on Tamiya, or on not Tamiya, on band-eye sprues. The only time I've had issues is when I've used Tamiya panel liners. Like, are you familiar with the Tamiya panel liner colors where it's like the real thin little wick? certain enamels will eat band-eye plastic. So either seal it and or so if you're going to use really aggressive ki things like that, seal it first. I'm going to use acrylics. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm an acrylic guy, so I don't know. So i all my my my bait my layering colors are acrylics, but I seal them. I always seal them in. Yeah. yeah And I've never had issues.
00:57:12
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So I'm working on that. I got to paint him. That's all built again. And I have this stupid star destroyer. That I'm really excited about. It is stupid. It's so it's it's boring. It's a boring bill. It's a boring bill, but it's got all these light LEDs inside of it. It's got these millions of tiny holes. So when it lights up, it glows. And I thought I'd be more excited about like painting it. But then it's like now that I've I've I've primed it and I'm like. Well, now I just got to like paint a lot of pressure, am I right?
00:57:42
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Well, but it's just like, then what do I do? It's like, it's gray and then I wash it and it's like, okay, it's, it's done. It's, it's gray now. Great. Cool. This, this, I think, I think, especially with the Star Destroyer, this is where you get into the airbrushing thing. Like I think airbrush, the best thing in airbrushes is blending color to color. Like, cause it's like a nice uniform spray from one color to another. I was thinking about airbrushes priming. Yeah, well, I use rattle cans for that. And I think that's easier. And way less work.
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00:58:21
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I've also got this stupid thing, this Darth Vader sci-fi that needs to be painted and he's built. I need some shading, dude. It's got no paint on it. It's not even primed. It's just sitting here built.
00:58:32
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Then I also have I have this. It's half painted. I have a speeder bike. Oh, I like your bike from Endor. Very nice. yeah I'm thinking I'm going to. It's dust. It's actually got like dust webs on it, as all mine do. Yes. It's been sitting here too long. I'm actually thinking about put building this into a diorama somehow. Like I don't want to destroy it, but I thought because I don't like this little stand thing that it's on. It's kind of dopey. So I'm thinking about building like a diorama on the ground and having it kind of like sitting in the grass. Well, you walk. I like him. What you need is Pablo, mate. It's a bit expensive because because he's part of the last 17. But he is the lad of all that he walks and you need him like that. Look, he's still the speeder, right? You just need him horizontal like that. Like flying behind it. Yeah, because he's the lad that still to speed it. There's definitely the lad.
00:59:27
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great So I could do that or I could build a diorama and have it like I, cause I've been wanting to do another diorama because I built one with the ATST behind me. That's kind of where the light is. I built it on did like, uh, diorama stuff and they have like little was it not imperial is imperial salt scout troopers with it that are kind of like ah mucking around but I want to do a and a larger scale diorama with that to the legion I think maybe maybe it's legion yeah yeah but I have it like laying in the grass and kind of covered with grass a little bit like maybe that's cool and there then have like maybe an ewok come up like poking it with a stick or something I don't know yes I have a lot of ideas but lot not a lot of
01:00:09
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Chris Ace or drive. Did you know I had a Luke Skywalker return that a Jedi Luke I still have to paint from this oh not upcoming paint series I might start having to do because I'm doing this podcast. As much as I love Luke Skywalker, mate, you know, get the fucking rancor done. so Yes, mate. Come on. How big is the rank? I want to say I don't know if I've ever seen the rank or like how big is it? It's fucking huge and it's intimidating. OK, Sean, because like it's in my mind. I'm like, look at this. Oh, I thought this thing was like a foot tall. That's like, no, no, no. This is huge for me who paints miniatures. I thought this was going to be like the Hasbro Haslab rank or I'm like, oh, that sounds intimidating. That's going to take a while to talk about a dick. Anyway, what about this do back?
01:00:59
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Smaller than this. Oh, he's back. What are you doing? Christopher with the stormtrooper on top, dude. You know, if he's if he's deflecting, it's all primed and ready. I love that. You'll have that. So are you is the is so is the sandtrooper already like glued to the top of the do back? Are you going to try to like? No, it's not. next Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good luck with that, my guy. Yeah. But the rain court, dude, come on. He's already primed. Just dip in brown and then just weather it. That's easy. No, no, no, no. I got to impress Christopher. So I got to do it. I got to do a big thing. I got to do a whole to do. It's a whole to do. Oh, my God. Mate, you don't. You're never going to be prepared. I've got tree beard on my shelf, mate. That's all the impressive stuff. I need me. So that's a whole another episode. We talk about the tree beard. I don't know.
01:01:57
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I want to talk about the rank or I was. So I gave a gift to Christopher of a tree beard from Lord of the Rings. And I ordered it's it's something games workshop makes because they have a game, a Lord of the Rings miniature game. So I'm like, oh, a tree beard. And it's got the two hobbits on them. And I was like, OK, I'll order to that. I'll paint it for him. And give it to Chris as a gift. And as I'm painting it, I'm like, I really want to keep this.
01:02:35
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Similar with with the Kev, because I painted him a snow speeder. Well, from Legion. But ah yeah, that tree beard that came out a lot better than I thought it would. It's fucking crazy. A lot of that's contrast paint, but I'm blending colors like a greeny bluey, which I plan to do with the rain core slash. Java, so see the miniature thing. I'm looking at it now that just intimidates me so much because. How the fuck did you paint?
01:03:08
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marries like waistcoat yellow because it's like okay yeah it's half a millimeter so i did each hobbit individually i i i uh i glued them onto a piece of plastic on a holder. So I could just hold him up under the light and I ah that was a meticulous paint. Yes, it was. And if you thin your paints enough, you can you can put the yellow down and it will you'll get some outside but then just come back in like to me like when I like my you just keep going back and forth between like
01:03:41
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the adjoining colors until you get it right. And as long as they're thin enough and not super thick, like you're not going to get blobbed up because that's like my one of my early mistakes was like, oh, paint his face now his neck and his chest and his helmet's all whatever skin color. And then it was too thick. So you lose all detail. So as long as you keep working with thin paints, you'll eventually get there. Came with back and forth. Chris, I came with other versions like where you had them on the ground and stuff. And I was like, No, I want them on the shoulders. dumb rot love it yeah I painted him there and and highlight it over I paid I like I literally I pictures I think I like how to protect your technique Ed you just put it on like a six exactly but iin him I didn't use that I used a piece of the sprue that it came with nice nice
01:04:31
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so there's lego here I didn't I didn't go into super detail and do like the eyes or anything because eyes is another podcast episode that we can talk about because that is that is that is a hole you don't want to go down yeah so so far obviously I've just been scratch building mechanical things so when it comes to organic creatures or people I need to up my game a little bit. Yeah. And and you I know you and you have a degree of expectation of what you want to release to the public world. Yes. Yeah. this is And I know when you when you do the right eye and it's perfect and you do the left eye and it's pointing slightly like that white dot that you tiny white dot that you put on is pointing slightly to the left. Nope. Fucked up.
01:05:31
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going to redo it. It's yeah it's a very frustrating. They all wear sunglasses. just yeah Yeah, you could do that. Fucking sunglasses. Everything's got a helmet on. They're wearing sunglasses. Yeah. So i um this is a slight warning, Chris. I don't know if you want to get into it.
01:05:50
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Well, it sounds like a fight until. No, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know if you want to get into that whole scene because it's going to be frustrating at first, at least. Oh, well they eyeballs eyeballs and stuff. Yeah, yeah, organic yeah. Organic eyeballs. And all that um definitely I'm leaning towards just the eyes. The eyes are the most frustrating. I've already got my toe in it. I'd say it's more than a toe. It's a foot. Because things are happening behind the scene. Separate separate to the building droids, which is a different thing that I don't want to talk about yet, but we'll get to eventually.
01:06:30
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So this is an actual toy in the next episode of Just Craftin. What do you think about that hotel bell What what name should we name this podcast? So wait. So I don't think Andy's even heard. It's like it sounds like this has been promoted to something beyond just a side episode. It's like it's actually going to become like its own thing side, but more. So it's like, what should it be called? Hmm. Yeah, I don't know. There's somebody else here, but they're not talking. Yeah, he's typing. He's not speaking.
01:07:08
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I must admit um rest of it I thought I thought I was gonna remain silent on this but um we went when when I turned up earlier on and this is gonna be really weird this episode now ah no one knows I've been here up until now so yeah hi folks I've been here for about 20 minutes or so. Oh, I apologize. Exactly. 33 minutes or so. But yeah, and I've just come in from being out with my family and I thought I'd join these guys and I've been up until now.
01:07:43
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and And so what are we gonna call this? I don't know. let's let's let let's I see this as an amazing union of um of creative, like-minded people, of which I'm not one. um So ah ah do do what you want, guys. I'm just in awe of what you guys do. I really am. Thanks for your input, Andy. Put yourself back on mute. I'll see you later. I'll carry my glass of wine now. It'd be lovely speaking to speak into you about speaking to you all. I'm sorry for the insults in the chat in the meantime. but if you don't know ill I prefer to carry on with just insulting you in the chat. Cheers, guys. Bye. Is anybody working on a Chewbacca?
01:08:34
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Let's just call it just crafting for now. Yeah. Okay. it's Yeah. We're an hour and 10. Do you want to wrap it? And then because ah it it feels like we've we've we've touched some good subjects and we've opened some doors that would take us down some other big spray it with a clear and clear coat on it. And let's let it sit for a little bit. yeah yeah yeah and Yeah, well thanks everybody for listening if you did or the one person that's listening which we know is Andy. You're welcome.
01:09:12
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ah Hopefully this keeps continuing. We're gonna explore some other techniques and things that all of us, it's it's great because we all come at this from different angles of the hobby. Because I come at it from making armies. Sean comes at it from like modeling, making models and stuff like that. And Chris comes at it from kid bashing, just making droids and stuff. So I love this and I hope it continues. And thanks for listening. we'll figure And we'll figure out a way to make it visual, like to have some visual accompaniment, too, because I know we've shown a lot of stuff. I don't I don't want to record a video podcast, but we'll figure out a way to like share some of this stuff. Yeah, in the video. and um like Well, it's not off the table. We'll see.
01:10:00
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<unk> we'll We'll talk about that offline.
01:10:06
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Cheers, everyone. Bye.