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Episode 049 - Driving Home for Christmas
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Introduction and Acknowledgments
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello, and welcome to a very special episode of Just Shillin, episode number, I believe 49. I didn't look it up. I'm just we i'm so excited. i just I just hit record and we're rolling. I'm one of your hosts, Sean Hoffman. And I'm your host, Andy Bell.
00:00:21
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and introduce here and he's here
00:00:25
Speaker
Hello, buddy. I missed you. I missed you a great deal. I missed you too, buddy. It's it's not the same without you here. I gotta say. I don't know, man. It sounds good without me. I'll be honest with you. Thank you, Turbo. Wow. yeah they Thank you, Turbo, for carrying it because I did not realize how much I, when we have guests, ah how much I just sit in the backseat and just go for
Health Struggles and Medical Tests
00:00:48
Speaker
the ride. That was hard. That was a lot harder, but he made it. He made it a lot easier, but it's still like, oh shit, I got to be the one to like have the questions. Whoo. I need Andy back.
00:00:59
Speaker
Yeah, should we we'd get that other way first? Let's get the elephant out of the way. Let's address the elephant in the room first. um So what's been going on. So thank you Turbo for literally sliding in in the last minute.
00:01:15
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um to help us. you know we We love what we're doing as ah the team and this silly little the little podcast that we're doing at the moment gives us an awful lot of joy and I think that both of us want to try as best we can to come out ah to to to come out weekly. As a result of that, that was not that that was not on the cards this time last week.
00:01:40
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Oh, sorry, yeah, no, this time last week. um And Turbo, gracefully um graciously um jumped in and and covered my ass while I was so while i was messing about. so um While you were in Christmas Town. While I was having a lot of fun and games, yeah.
00:02:00
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So, um I'm going to try and get over... I mean, ah yeah I'll kind of leave with my news and just to get it over and done with because I don't want us to dwell on that. um But as many of you guys... ah most like Many of you guys that know me, um a little bit closer, um already know that I haven't been well.
00:02:23
Speaker
um I've been talking about it on the pod for a couple of weeks now that there's been some aches and pains with stuff going on for a good month or so that so um I couldn't work out what was going on. um Very, very quick whistle stop tour of what of what really has been going on. I've been suffering from a lot of aches and pains which you know you could put down to old age and really thought it was muscular and it literally is. It really has only been in the last months, let's say two months that this has happened and it started with ah a muscular pain in my shoulder um but very very quickly it started spreading down my spine into my hips groin and
00:03:05
Speaker
it didn't seem right at all. um and so Listen to your body, guys, folks. I went to the doctor. I went to the doctor, did the right thing, and asked the question, yeah is there anything wrong here? so They ran some tests, and there was a bunch ah of tests that they put me through that you'd expect them to put a man of a certain age through. so We're talking ah the nice stuff like colonoscopies and PSA test and, um, uh, what was the one down the throat?
Cancer Diagnosis and Treatment Decisions
00:03:35
Speaker
The one down the throat was the good one. It was called a, um, it was a colonoscopy. So they went in one end, um, and I went. And they went in the other end and that is called very miss equal folks. Well, we look up our medical knowledge here. Um,
00:03:59
Speaker
It was called Agastro, Agastro.p. There you go. So the idea, basically what they're doing is they were checking the,
00:04:11
Speaker
the large intestine m they and the bowel, um which is obviously a ah very, very prolific, or have very prolific problems with gentlemen of a certain age. ah the The test came back, they came back okay, everything was fine. um However, I had some blood samples that came back that that that were abnormal, so in particular, very, very low.
00:04:34
Speaker
Low hemoglobin I'm very very high iron and it was just didn't make sense at the same time um over this month period While I could have done with it I had a while while I was planning to get a little bit healthier I I also lost around about, in an American money, I i lost about 20 pounds, 22 pounds and and in about a month, which is great if that's what you're planning, but not so great if um ah if ah you weren't planning it, and then a heck of a lot of fatigue as well.
00:05:09
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So um ah they started some more tests. As I said the should we say the obvious cancer test came out no problem at all which again at the time was a relief. I went through a CT scan and unfortunately the CT scan picked up The pain got worse, and so I kind of ended up in A&E, or ER, sorry, um and they and they accelerated the CT test, and as a result, they unfortunately found that I have um that i have kidney cancer. I've caught kidney cancer. Of all of the abuse that I've given my body,
00:05:51
Speaker
Over the years um this is one of this is this is a cancer that's not related to anything that's a Anything to do with lifestyle. It's it's just one of those things and in fact, it's happened very very quickly because Because I'm a good boy. I have a I have a medical checkup every year and in that medical checkup, that's every March. And so whatever's happened to my body has happened between March and, essentially, October, November of this year. So whatever's happened, and it's happened quickly. Which is um bad in some ways, and it's aggressive, but it's good in some ways, and it's also they've also picked it up quickly. like And it hasn't been allowed to, hopefully not been allowed to, first of all.
Treatment Plan and Community Support
00:06:36
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So they've found that. Unfortunately, um alongside that um kiney e yeah kidney cancer, they've also found ah secondary.
00:06:47
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so um Unfortunately, it was the secondaries that we picked up first. So that pain I told you about in the shoulder, that was um that was secondary. So the cancer has spread to my my my my skeleton. hits them um It's in my spine. It's in my femur. um It's in my shoulder. And unfortunately, there's a couple of traces, one in my lungs, which quite frankly, they're not particularly worried about because that seems like a day, like a a normal working day for them that they can fix relatively quickly. Anyway, we're in this position at the moment where there's an awful lot going on. So I spent the last two weeks. I thought it was a week. I had no concept of time. I spent the last two weeks being proled and biopsies, more CT scans, MRI scans, scan, scan, scan, scan, scan. And it's interesting. It's really, really interesting.
00:07:45
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and the I ended up becoming a part of the discussion. when you when you go into them you know when you When you have something like this, you um speak to the professionals who are there to help you. and I have to say, I have the most amazing team looking after me that I get emotional when I think about the dedication and the care they put into my care in the last couple of weeks. and them they um I got into an interesting conversation because we kind of found this out the wrong way around. As I said, what normally would happen is that you'd find the cause first, or there'd be a problem that you'd notice. But my kidneys were working fine. No problem at all. My liver's working fine. My kidneys working fine. Everything is working absolutely fine in terms of its function. So they didn't pick that up. And so the only thing that got picked up was the secondary. And because of that,
00:08:39
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Timing is now the essence. So I ended up in a conversation where I actually became part of the decision of what my treatment would be. And um' what's happening is that so if you if you if you imagine in ah in a normal situation, you would identify the um the cancer, you would then second identify the secondary. And the secondaries um they would establish whether they they need to be treated first if they're going to cause a problem too.
00:09:14
Speaker
the um ah the cancer treatment itself. And because my secondaries are in my bones, my bones are now very fragile. So I i need to be very, very careful in that I don't break i don't break he anything. And what they wanted to do originally, the bone i had two doctor I basically had two specialists, one bone doctor, one cancer doctor, the bone doctor wanted them initially to um
00:09:40
Speaker
basically pen pin my hips, pin my spine, pen pin everything yeah that yeah would demonstrate a risk if I fell over because it it would be bad. It would be bad if I fell over at this moment in time and then treat the main cancer. The challenge they've got is that they don't have time because what happens is when you go through that that that process of having your but your your your your skeleton stabilized, it takes about two or three months to to recover from that prior it to them being able to um treat the the the the cancer itself.
00:10:27
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and um And so what we've done we have and so and the cancer surgeon naturally wants to deal with that first because what she doesn't want to do is that she doesn't want to run the risk of waiting three months for my skeletons has stabilised, only to find out it's spread even more and it's met it's got even more. So they got to some interesting we got to this interesting point where I felt part of the decision making process in terms of
00:11:05
Speaker
what do we do? And so we we came to the conclusion, and we came to an agreement that we're going to treat the cancer first. So we're going to treat the cancer. I have got to wrap myself up in Curlton Wall. I'll explain a few precaution measures they've made there for three months that I go through the the actual cancer treatment itself. And then we'll deal with the damage that the secondaries have made. So um as old,
00:11:35
Speaker
And this all happened in the first week, and it can actually happen in a couple of days, because it didn't. This all happened in the first week. and There is a funny side to this, mainly because I was high most of the time. I lost all i lost all common concept of time. The treatment we're on at the moment is um I Am Now Home, which is fantastic.
00:11:57
Speaker
Um, and it's a new way of, um, the new way of treating. So every 28 days I go into, I go in as an outpatient and I get connected to a drip. And it's a kind of, um, I'm trying to remember the terms. It's kind of a, uh, a, a treatment that, um, is basically a,
00:12:26
Speaker
Right. Guys, this is extremely bad editing. I want to put, let's go on pause. I'm going to find the name of it. We're going to go right back. Let's put it on pause. Two seconds, guys. Two seconds. Okay. Sorry about that, guys. It's immunotherapy. I keep forgetting. I've had so many, there are so many, there are so many um,
00:12:48
Speaker
There are so many different terms I've had to try on there over the last couple of weeks. So basically what happens is every 28 days I have immunotherapy. It's a little bit like chemotherapy. It's quite young. It's only three or four years old, but essentially it's attacking in the case. It's the core process that attacks the cancer.
00:13:12
Speaker
Meanwhile, I also have daily treatment, which is now what I can do at home. So I learned in a second week, I learned how to treat myself at home. And basically what that means, it's basically a four hour bath whereby I go through a series of pills and um ah ah treatments. that that it's It's all oral, it's all oral, but it's over this four hour first thing period.
00:13:39
Speaker
And that basically is what they call, oh god, that's another term, but I do know this one, TKI, it's called TKI.
Humor and Reflection in Adversity
00:13:47
Speaker
And what that does is that that trains the body to attack everything. It's basically in the old days of treating cancer, they used to, I mean, without sounding like a butcher or callus, they used to cut it out, cut it out, give you some radiotherapy, and then treat you with chemo.
00:14:06
Speaker
Whereas what they do now is they use the body the body itself to kind of train your antibodies and train your body to detect it, isolate it, and basically shrink shrink the cancer as well. It's a lot less invasive and it's a lot more um successful from my understanding um with a lot less remaining damage to the body Because of course, you know the whole the whole treatment itself is ah it is a risk let alone the cancer itself So that's what I'm on at the moment, which is fun because it means I can't drink or eat anything for ah Four hours which to be honest with you will probably stay with me for the rest of my life now um That's that that's the sobering the sobering part of it is that because of where I am You know, I will live with this for the rest of my life now, but I It's the way it was put to me is that and this is where so so you don't want to be.
00:15:11
Speaker
want to be sad about it. you know it's It's horrible to know it's not curable. And you see it in writing. What you've got is is not curable, but it's treatable and manageable in the same way that in the same way that um um diabetes is managed. yeah It can be managed that way. So yeah there are no guarantees, but the odds are in my favor. I have an amazing team looking after me at the moment.
00:15:41
Speaker
And it's something that will become habit for as long as I can live. So that's kind of where we are. um I want to let everyone know what was going on. um
00:15:56
Speaker
I've had an amazing, amazing amount of people
00:16:01
Speaker
that I didn't expect to reach out to me and wish me well, which I'm really, really grateful for because, you know, I'm still very much a newcomer to this community and um that the outpouring of love has kind of really choked me up. It's been pretty amazing. And the people that have come forward and volunteered to help, you know, regardless of where they are in the world, at the very least, just to to kind of maintain the podcast, that im I'm really, really grateful.
00:16:30
Speaker
On the positive side of things, of this whole expert of of this whole experience, there's been a funny side of this, which is, um they while we were working out my drugs, my pain medication, good God, I've been on some journeys. You're joining the spacing guild.
00:16:50
Speaker
Oh, dude, no idea. I have. Yeah, seriously, thing I will. I would warm with a racket. It was. um it's It's been so funny and, um you know, over time i'll I'll share some stuff with you guys. I don't want I don't want to railroad the um the pod too much, but it's it's it's been it's been hilarious. And some of the. You know, some of the stuff that with my.
00:17:17
Speaker
Obviously the first thing is that my family came, I hate obviously, I'm really grateful, but then my family came together and had been there for me and had been, they mustered together so bloody quickly and so, how can I put this?
00:17:40
Speaker
efficiently. I sounds awful, but it was like, it was like, okay, we're going to deal with this shit. So positively, they mobilized, they mobilized. Thank you. That was the word I was thinking up. Yeah. Words are a struggle at the moment. God damn morphing. Anyway. The point being is it's just been so funny because these guys have got everything structured and everything. Meanwhile, my brain's out to pasture at the moment or at that time when we're trying to work out these drugs. Yeah, I'm all over the place and I just find pretty much everything that is serious, extremely funny, extremely funny. It was just weird and everywhere.
00:18:26
Speaker
at I felt as if I was a spectators or something that was, I I thought I was living in Megalopolis. It was, exactly, it was it was coming out. and um And then on the um and then on a more philosophical side, good God, um it's been in ah in a very, and I hope this doesn't sound perverse, but it's been so God done li liberating.
00:18:57
Speaker
The whole experience has been so liberating. It's it's it's been a it's amazing just how important so much stuff is. and you know when and i have and I have an amazingly loving family that I of the any of us appreciate in ah in our daily lives because it's life. Life gets in the way. i like I have an amazing network of friends that i'm I am grateful for. i have' an amazed I have a great company that I work for. They've all be basically taken everything away and and the sheer
00:19:35
Speaker
I'm trying to explain it to you today because you and I have been trying to catch you every now and again while I've been in hospital tripping my tits off. um and Every now i mean now and again, I'm trying to explain to you today what it feels like and it's kind of like telling it it's so when likes or when life's challenges or when chores or when work or when stuff.
00:20:09
Speaker
that makes up life is taken away from you there's and there's nothing there, it gives you so much space. it's really and And I was trying to explain it to you today and I still don't know how to explain it very well, but they the notion of having nothing to worry about Which is, it's like, Andy, what the hell are you talking about? You've got, you know, you've called cancer. But everything is taken away from you. Even when you go on the even when you go on the best holiday you've ever had. The most luxurious holiday you've ever had.
00:20:47
Speaker
There is an ending to that. You're relaxing for a finite period because ultimately the end of the day, the holiday is over and you go back to work, all there are children to do around the house and bills need to be paid and the rest of it. When all of that is taken away from you, good God, it is liberating. We say things like, I never have the time.
00:21:15
Speaker
and so me i'm a great great great um a great um and up update this I'm one of those people that you say, I never had the time to get around to do this, never had the time to get around to do that. And in this case, it's not a case of time, it's space. It's just so much space. And the sad thing about it is that it took something like cancer to experience that.
Gratitude and the Therapeutic Role of Podcasting
00:21:41
Speaker
Had And for me, I not had cancer, I'm I probably never would experience something like a great, this. I great, guess great, I'm a great... retirement?
00:21:47
Speaker
would be the closest to it, but it's not so much the actual act of having life being organized for you or or or or chores or again again, the stuff that makes up our existence. It's not so much having the actual physical process of having that removed, it's the experience of having it removed. yeah There's just so much space where it's just like, wow, I almost wish everyone everyone could experience this because it does make me think, really?
00:22:30
Speaker
there is there is so much more. There is so much more. I can't explain myself very well at all. I'm really sorry for that. Again, I do have quite the yeah the concoction of medication that I'm going to at the moment say, hey, you're experiencing it firsthand. but Yeah, it's it's it's, you know, it's a it's a it's a this is a bastard. It's an absolute bastard. It's came out of nowhere. It's all happened within one or two months out of nowhere. Didn't see this coming one bit, but out of it has come some very, very positive experiences as well. Some profound revelations.
00:23:14
Speaker
Yeah, I hope that doesn't sound weird, man. I really have really do. and but No. No, could we talked about it the other day, and I think, like, obviously I i haven't, I'm not experiencing it, but what the way you described it is, it makes sense. It does. Like, it's it's kind of like ah lift a weight lifting off your shoulders. Yeah. and Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a change perspective.
00:23:38
Speaker
yeah Yeah, especially when you have no choice. yeah i mean we tip to Typically, so but if you're in a situation where you know you have no choice, it can be quite stifling. It can be quite suffocating. You're not in control. But in this case, it's it's it's yeah
00:23:59
Speaker
it Decisions are made for me. Everything's been made for me. and And as a result of that, like I said, it's very cathartic. It's liberating. It's absolutely liberating. Anyway, that's where I am, mate. Thank you, thank you, thank you to so many people that have reached out. I mean, I always was gonna wait until I am i was gonna get to the the listening section, but big shout out in particular, Scruffy's, the team over at High Potion.
00:24:27
Speaker
star wars spell out guys um and the syphilis thank you very much um all of you for thinking of me and for um the different ways in which you've all reached out to me to say thank you say thank you i'm saying thank you um big all of you that have reached out to me said to to wish me well and um I love you guys and i i I, again, I'm still this very, very small minnow in this very, very large pond that I i could be more grateful for, for you guys um and your friendship. So that's where I am, mate. And we're going to get through it as best we can. yeah um You know, and it will give me an opportunity to kind of
00:25:16
Speaker
I don't know. did I guess it depends on your point of view, but it's the very, very easy to crawl up in a pool and ride this out. But um I in particular was very keen to A, talk about it, B, but also to um to um make sure that make sure that I got back to podcasting as soon as I can. Because again, I love this ricky deep bullshit. I love chatting with you. It doesn't feel like a podcast. It feels like a weekly catch up with you and with friends as well. So I was really keen to get back. And quite frankly, as far as my medical team are concerned, something like this, really good for the Minecraft. Really, really good for the Minecraft. Let's get your head on straight. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:26:06
Speaker
So talking about shit that we love and that we've been watching, i'm I'm really glad to be back. we you Really, really glad to be back. I'm happy to have you back, dude. It's fucking awesome. like it's It's just a whole different vibe, but getting to see you.
00:26:20
Speaker
know I've been able to chat with you for the last couple of weeks, but yeah not on not on video call and all that stuff, so this yeah this is good this good to see you again. I do have to take a second and shout out. I know you kind of mentioned it, ah but I think it's I want to i want pile on there a little bit and be like, you have a pretty amazing team at home that's kicking ass and taking names.
00:26:44
Speaker
like they're not letting They're not letting you get away with shit, and they're also like like ah the most supportive group. Big big shout out to them. there yeah yeah You got a good team there. Lucy and the kids were were really yeah set up, yeah, just let a few guys know. Lucy and the kids um set up a little chat with with with one or two of my my closest buddies. and were keeping everyone updated as to what was going on and and at the right time until I was in a position to be able to know which way was up, which was probably when they dialed down the morphine a little bit.
00:27:26
Speaker
ah little on that third on that He could be trusted to communicate on his own again. you know yeah like can like um well the time At the time, and then no no one knew what was going on. We had no idea what was going on. We had no idea how that addressed it. We kind of said, is it this? Is it that? Is it no idea? It was weird. It was really, really weird. and um um where're we're We're at the other side now and we know what the plan is. We've got a plan. We've got a good team.
Everyday Life and Lighthearted Moments
00:27:55
Speaker
I'm not going to spend too long on it because I'll be honest with you. yeah know This is going to be my life forever and a day now. so There's no point in harping on about it. It's the way it is. so um dus how have you That has been my fortnight. A little bit boring. ah what nonethe But nonetheless, I had a fortnight.
00:28:17
Speaker
About to say, your definition of boring and my definition of boring are quite different. But, but ah you know, it's been, I've been all right. You know, I can't, I can't, I have no complaints. You know, I've been obviously thinking of you guys hanging out, waiting, waiting, waiting to, I'm happy to have you back. Like gets then it's been a whirlwind of ah of a couple of weeks, but, um outside of Outside of all that, man, just it's been yeah we've been getting snow, keeping keeping the driveway clear. Situation normal. I've been ah ah been bacon baking some candy. you know i've ah I ah came up with a new one this year that I'm quite proud of. ah and say It's a lavender so salted caramel. Ooh!
00:29:09
Speaker
that ah I'm pretty andm pretty happy with. I told Madison I think I'm going to apply for the Nobel Peace Prize because it's pretty good. I'm not going to lie. Some of those, some of those, I mean, I know, I mean, you said you photographed, we said each other, photographed stuff all the time, but some of those, um some of those trays that you were you were showing me, that you guys are people, you've been baking up and look absolutely delish. Absolutely delish over it. So what what else have you been up to?
00:29:39
Speaker
Let me all clearly, watching some stuff, ah watching some shows. i i managed to so Chris and I managed to wrangle Ed up and we were able to record a crafting podcast, which I'm sure people have or have not seen come across the feed, but that was ah that was a good time, good old fun.
00:29:59
Speaker
um been doing a lot of the the Christmas holiday stuff a lot of wrapping of presents a lot of ah Kind of just generally Coordinating things. Oh, I obviously were remote for my family So it's a lot of like getting packages and like sorting all that out wrapping them and yada yadda yada yada I heard that I heard that um ah just the the Just Craft. I mean, it's really weird because normally, you know how all the podcasts land on different days and the commercials are weak? Because I have listened to
00:30:37
Speaker
very few podcasts multiple times because I keep forgetting them because I've been stoned all the time because every all because I've been a rocker. I think I listened to Just Crafting about three or four times. All I can say is once what and what when it actually landed, good episode, guys. Really, really good. Really enjoyed that.
00:30:59
Speaker
I know we're trying to, we're thinking we may try to do another one before the next major holiday. Oh wow. Maybe not do one once every four months, but we joke, we teeth, we jest. But no, it's a good little time. And again, and again. And I know you're in all those chats too, so you see a lot of it outside that's not getting recorded.
00:31:24
Speaker
I'm on your chats trying to organize the whole thing, and I think it's hilarious. What I find hilarious is this um this amazing amount of um ambition that three of you have. um But typically, it's down to where to kind of, should say pull his finger out of his ass? And kind of, like there like they get their head. But on the night, on the night, it's forwards it's always a good show. It's really, really good.
00:31:50
Speaker
and again um The app that you have with Turbo, I'd have loved to have been there, um but it was beautiful. It was it was great that it complemented ah work we've all you know did did the the sessions we've already had with Josh and Catherine. It was brilliant to have that, have the trinity, shall we say, um which is great. um So that was awesome. And it was done really, really, really well.
00:32:22
Speaker
Thank you buddy, I appreciate that. Outside of that, dude, like there's not, it's mid-December, it's kinda like vibing and hanging out. What have I used? What have I used? I've got two weeks worth of news here that I've been picking up again, mid delirium. I've been picking up, I've got two weeks worth of news of which I'm not sure if we've covered. Let's hear it, I wanna hear it. Okay, so,
00:32:49
Speaker
um We talked about it a lot, 28 years later. um A sequel to the sequel of 28 Days Later, so 28 Days, 28 Weeks, 28 Years Later, so there's ah there's a trailer out there, I saw that. Which is good. I thought, I think I saw the Superman teaser trailer, but I'm not sure. It's about a 30, 40. I've been seeing some leaks of stuff, like just kind of pictures and stuff like that. I feel like there's been a bunch of stuff that James Gunn's been putting out.
00:33:20
Speaker
Well, i've I've been watching, yeah i keep I keep catching these links saying, Superman teaser trailer. And then I clicked through, there's a teaser trailer of what I think is the teaser trailer, not the actual teaser trailer. I can't work it out. Anyway, that I picked that, but I just wrote that down. um gerry ma Jeremy Allen.
00:33:40
Speaker
Caster's Jabber the Hudson in the Mando movie. There's a lot of folks that have talked about that. I don't know what to make of that, to be honest with you. i mean I must admit, at this moment in time, Mando perhaps, and I think I've said this before, Mando being the you know the come of the the genesis or the the yeah the gene of of of of modern-day Star Wars TV unfortunately isn't in my wheelhouse at the moment, um but there seems to be an awful lot of either ah excitement around this casting. I'm assuming it's the
00:34:19
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he'll play Stinky, the one there, Jabba's son from the original Clone Wars movie. I believe he's grown up now and a big boy, but okay, it's a casting decision. I don't know what it means to the story. It seems a bit found. Bearing in mind the experience that I'm having at the moment with Skeleton Crew and the masterpiece that I think is Skeleton Crew and we'll talk about that in a second because I'll be itching to talk to you about it because I'm loving it. Going back to demand the verse with a bit of fan casting.
00:34:58
Speaker
it. I'm great. You know, great. I'll take it, but it it doesn't particularly excite me. Um, war how one shred one for you. Um, war hammer series officially announced with Henry. Is it Cavill or Cavill? Okay. Anyway, with Henry, um, in development at Amazon. That's, um, that's good. That's good. mike kind It also gives give some, um not some kudos, but I, you know, I like Henry and... He seems like a good one. I think they did him dirty um on a few things, which shouldn't suit the man, obviously, being two examples. And so he's kind of getting what he wants, which I think is good.
00:35:43
Speaker
um What else is in the news? I've got a thank you turbo here, which I've done to dad. Oh, see oh yeah ah Tom Chastney, King Tom himself. um Literally, what, two hours ago? ah Tip me off that there's ah there's a secret mission that's been found in Outlaws. So um the Outlaw DLC came out a few weeks ago and I kind of...
00:36:07
Speaker
gave you my view which is great, you know, it it was great, it was a mission, it wasn't, I wouldn't say it was DLC, it didn't really expand up and go actually. I don't have any details apart from this tidbit that um Tom gave me earlier on that that there seems to be a secret mission. I've been itching, well I haven't been here so I think that's something that should work as a problem, but I've been itching to get back ah into into into Outlaws again but of course there's nothing unless I want to be completed is nothing really for me to do so finding out about this is great so that's in my. as steve mcel um That's in my mind use for this week and then also as part of my little trip down.
00:36:49
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Um, in hospital, et cetera, et cetera. I made a few impulse buys. Typically when I was, um, I was, uh, made some impulse buys typically while I was actually in, um,
00:37:04
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this This reminds me, I just have to jump in real quick and say, this this brings me great joy because I remember there was a time when I bought something maybe a little intoxicated. and man I mean, I got razzed for it up and down up and down the block. And so the fact that you were maybe under the influence of the hospital buy and buying dollies and stuff, that just brings me great joy. This is actually what I was doing. The first thing I was doing, I haven't bought a spun coat in forever. And in fact, I ended up ditching a lot of my Funkos, the fact that you gave them a lot of them, a lot of them are always charity. So I got this, Funko was doing this biddie pop um line at the moment all of Funko Pops, which are basically tiny weeny little
00:37:52
Speaker
tired They're about, what what is that? I don't know, half an inch? Half an inch style models. And of course they they decided to do some vehicles with them as well. So they but had the Falcon and they have a Chewbacca.
Gifts and Family Support
00:38:06
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So I bought that to sit alongside my my my my bunch of grapes, and my Lucas A that was on my bedside table in the hospital. So I bought that to entertainment.
00:38:21
Speaker
but like ra on Like a little Japanese gachapon machine. Yeah, exactly. yeah that way you know It was something to entertain a 50 plus year old man sitting in his bed, off his tits on them on ah ah on medication, twooshing his little millennium falcon around. i was I was a little bummed that I wasn't able, i not that I'm bummed that you're out of the hospital, but I am bummed that I didn't have enough time to send you some greeblies to start secretly gluing the machines in the in the hospital make to make everything look a little more Star Wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some acid wash and some other stuff. are just Yeah, i think I think the girls, that ah the the girls try to do that. They think they bought lots of
00:39:09
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I mean, Abby in particular. but and It's really funny, might might but but might each of us aren deal with situations like this in a different way. You've got Lucy that obviously makeri up brings everyone together, orchestrates something. You've got someone like, that's all right, Chloe, my eldest, who's very sensible. She's the organizer. she's the um she did see the she's She's already working out my She's my dietician now. She's already working out what I should be into, what I should be into. You know, physical routine and everything. She's very, very practical. My youngest in the meantime is very much like myself, which is, hey shit, um you're poorly. let's um Let's do something. So she'll end up buying things like, right, okay, practically speaking, you need Lego. Or you need, and so she's she's been the one that's that you like bringing me bringing in the entertainment. And one thing she did do,
00:40:02
Speaker
Which, mate, you're going to kill me. I still haven't set it up. Is she very kindly, very, very kindly, and it was out of the blue, she and she thought that I'm going to be sat on my backside, yeah and I'm going to be in and out of hospital for quite a while, which I am.
00:40:24
Speaker
and she got me, I have no longer, I don' don't know if any of you guys remember, a while ago, we had Hawes and Steven from the great Hypotion podcast where I was in a dilemma as to what handhelage handheld, the device I should buy, and I still haven't made a decision until until now, but it's been made for me and that my daughter has bought me a steam deck, a steam deck, and I have on there,
00:40:53
Speaker
all of the Steam games I currently have, which is a very, very small library, um and none of them work because I haven't set it up properly. No reason why I haven't set it up properly is because the Wi-Fi in the um hospital was not the best.
00:41:09
Speaker
And on all of that, I also had, um I tried to tether with 5G and it isn't working. So to my subjective, because we have a quiet evening this evening, is to get this bad boy working because um I've already got a few people, halls included, as friends on on Steam, I've got my account set up now, I've got everything done, but for some reason,
00:41:33
Speaker
trying to finish this registration or finish up the initial boot up of the device configuration. Still hasn't happened yet. But yeah, that was Abby's contribution to the um ah to my well-being and getting better. And I love her for it because it's it's more than more than generous. Then I ended up um Oh, there's something else I've got to show you. I've told you about it, but I've got to show you. Then, I've been watching, I've been watching Scarlet and the Crew to Death. And I'm not talking about watching an episode, and then I'll rewatch it for references, so that we can talk about it in the pod. I've been watching it because of the way it makes me feel, which we will go into later on.
00:42:27
Speaker
But anyway, the point being is that I gave up collecting black series ages ago, he says. um and I'm not a collector, quoted by Andy. No, no, no, I'm not a collector. I'm not a collector. What I am though, in the spirit of Mr. Chris Hall, what I am now is that I am now a space pirate. I'm a space pirate guy now. That's mine that's my thing. And I fell in love with Captain Brutus, so I found the, I bought and had shipped to me the Captain Brutus Black Series, which I have to say, it's been quite gods it's been quite a while since I bought a Black Series. This thing is awesome. Yeah, the quality is pretty top-notch. Quite seriously, it's absolutely amazing.
00:43:13
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the pain apps, all of that kind of geeky stuff that we were that we love. i mean that The pain apps, the sculpts, it's absolutely awesome. i mean You can't see it in this light, but um yeah he's ah he's a bad boy and got plenty of guns too, which is great. Pew pew! Anyway, so I've been playing with him a lot as well. In fact, I've turned into a bit of a casting name and he follows me everywhere in my pocket.
00:43:40
Speaker
So well he's almost like a Wookie, so he's kind of got the same vibe that you like. Well, do you know what? In my in my OCD head, what I was thinking was, um actually, he goes really well with that holiday Halloween, the holiday Halloween Wookie, the one that was the werewolf.
00:43:57
Speaker
Um, so, you know, it makes sense to get it, but no, he's awesome. And I do, if you, if if any of you are, um, thinking about it, I recommend you get it because, you know, for what you get for, what is it 2499 or over in the States, I think it's 2999 probably being is it's a, it's a, he he's a heck of a boy. So I bought him, um, and then I'm kind of ruining, I'm kind of ruining my,
00:44:25
Speaker
the consumption part. but yeah glass tars and It's all the same. It's all the same. It's all the same. It doesn't matter anymore. because back in them lives and everything um yeah Nobody puts baby in the corner.
00:44:39
Speaker
anyway i brought um Yeah, graphic novels. graphic novels i've been I've been burning through a few graphic novels as well because Wi-Fi has not been great. It's so great in the hospital I've been burning through. So there's another firefly war here and I've got a couple of others that are up there as well that either I bought or the kids very kindly bought for me. and um Yeah, yeah, really, really cool. There is one thing that I've told you about a while ago, um because this is our last episode before Christmas. Yes. I have ah had bought you something. Bear with me a second while I just try and straighten my back out a little bit. It's not part of my my it's not part of my impulse per purchase, but I wanted to show you. So you are an extremely hard-working
00:45:27
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about as well. And I imagine, and you have, should we say, express your frustration some time, recently, especially recently, with the work that you do. yeah So so in your though in your rescue package that I've already, in the you that I have building up, all the stuff that I'm going to be bringing with me to Tokyo, a cool wedding.
00:45:54
Speaker
and all the stuff I'm gonna bring to Tokyo but i've already that you already know about, I've added to it a gigantic, oh my God, Enter key. Oh my God. So this is essentially a stress relief Enter key that you, with USB, you plug into the slide of your PC,
00:46:19
Speaker
And it acts like an end to cake. Is it squishy? But it's squishy. Oh my God, I love it. we all still it squish I can hear him clicking. Yeah, yeah. So it's squishy. So essentially think of it as a stress ball, but it's an interactive stress ball in that you can plug it in and it becomes your end to keep. So that's going forward. and You get frustrated. You get angry.
00:46:46
Speaker
yeah angry yes You send the email. You send the email. You hit enter, away you go. So that that that's also coming in the rest. For context, that thing is the size of Andy's head. It is is bit is massive. That is awesome. yeah that and I am shocked. Not shocked, but it's like, that is... I never knew I needed one. I never knew I needed that. that's ah It takes me back to an idea. like Are you familiar with the term overclocking your computer? Are you familiar with that? Yeah. yeah yeah i i was i was proposed I did this back in college. I proposed an idea to one of my professors. I'm like, what if?
TV Show Discussion: 'Skeleton Crew'
00:47:30
Speaker
You know you can overclock your computer you people like they say like punch it like you hit a TV I can hold bunny ears and you hit devices to make them work better like what if you could build something into a computer that like when you kick it or punch it it temporarily overclocks your machine to make it like like you're motivating it's like oh it's still the pinwheel like you hit it you it overclocks the dc to kind of just get it through it i don't think it's relevant as much anymore but it was a fun idea that that's what what that reminds me of of like it's just the frustration but it still has a purpose form and function oh it absolutely is gonna absolutely stop at that purpose right so that's kind of
00:48:08
Speaker
that's my news now we need to unfortunately i have my um i have my fasting in uh over yeah coming up in the next hour so i'm gonna have to you don't mind guys i'm gonna have to sorry a little bit i want to know what you've been i want to know what you've been um let's leave curtain crew through to the end um But I want to know what you've been consuming. So I've been watching, listening, reading, and playing. you know I've been playing Indiana Jones in a great circle. not Nice. And I've been enjoying it. It is.
00:48:45
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Yeah, I think the different, i like I am enjoying Outlaws more, obviously I've been playing Indiana Jones more. I think it it gets you into it quicker. I think that's my difference between the two. it doesn't It's a different game, it's a fundamentally different, wall literally it's a different type of game. It's ah you know it's not a it's a it's a mission bait, not a mission bait, it's a, you're playing a story.
00:49:06
Speaker
Yeah. So I've been i've been enjoying it. I've been playing that a lot. So my that's been a lot of fun. Nice. Thank you to those who helped me get a copy of that. That's been that's been that's been very very it's been very, very nice. um Besides that, I don't think I've been playing anything else. um What have I been consuming? A lot of candy. That's what I've been consuming. Excellent. I got to taste it.
00:49:34
Speaker
ah I do have a funny, so I will keep it, I'll keep it very brief. So, it's not that funny, actually. It's just, unfortunately, when the along day, I was like, whatever. No, no, no. I'll keep it brief because it's not that funny, it's just more of a tip. So, one of the things that I've been experimenting with this year is making different types of candy, including ones that are not, that are legal here, but not legal everywhere else.
00:50:02
Speaker
So that, my tip is, when you do that, if you do that, especially when making hot candy, which is in the 200, 200, 300 degree temperature range, when you mix it together, don't have your face over the top. No, ah definite limit um but me laugh ah no way.
00:50:23
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So, kit because it will flash some of it will flash off into steam. yeah i lot I lost a whole day. A whole day was just gone.
00:50:34
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excellent ah it's i When you have more time, I'll tell you, it's i'm I'm kind of laughing, just thinking about like, I wouldn't have told Madison, I think I need to, I think I'm done. that Because I did it in the morning and I was like, this is not gonna be a good time. That is so funny.
00:50:52
Speaker
So be careful of that, that's my tip. Other than that, ah dude i've been we watch we've been watching just, I've never really watched the Rankin and Bass Christmas special at the Claymation soft motion. Like I've seen them, but I've never watched the beginning and so we've been watching some of those.
00:51:11
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and it's yeah
00:51:13
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it is those Those are so funny, just how unhinged and just... There is- You know what? I was gonna say, if anyone was experimenting back in the 70s and 80s, it was those guys. Oh my gosh, that that's like what what is the most important piece? It's like it's not story. It's not plot. It's not character development. It's like Well, we need to get this so it's almost like it just reminds me of work. It's like, okay We wrote this really fast catchy song and then they hand it to the animators and the animators like no We're not doing that. So we just make everybody just kind of
00:51:45
Speaker
jerk around for a little bit, and then all of a sudden it goes back to normal. it's made it's It's crazy, those are fun. um ah Muppet Christmas Carol is on my upcoming, my my watch list. um Not yet, I need to watch it, especially since I see other people are watching it. and ah I apologize if i've if I've gotten into arguments with anybody's small children about the importance of the sad song in the middle. you know i I'm quite passionate about that. ah It wasn't until a one until we spoke about it on Discord, you dive in, Dave dives in. i didn't know I had no idea this was a thing. I had no idea at all, but I do respect. I do respect your opinion, i my friend.
00:52:33
Speaker
And I do understand the importance of that. And so quite frankly, you getting into arguments with young children about about how important it is, I think it's valid. I really do. there's You're never too young to never too young to know the importance of character development and the the overall arc within him's story.
00:52:55
Speaker
No. Could do better. Better than that, man. I've been watching Skeleton Crew. I've... Yeah. um honest I'll save it. Oh my god. ah you I want to hear what you have to say first. Right, so i've finished what I watched Civil War.
00:53:12
Speaker
Oh yeah, okay. You'd seen Civil War a while ago, hadn't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so let's say a few days before I got whisked away, I'd watched Civil War and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I thought it was a really, really good film. Really, really good film.
00:53:28
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yeah that's scarily, scarily relevant, I guess, in any way. That's all that. And then the only other film I've seen um is, oh, no, that's not quite true. yeah yeah and The first film I saw when when we got back in,
00:53:46
Speaker
So, um as you know, um I started my treatment, what, five days ago? And then I came home, I was allowed to to leave two days ago. So I came home two days ago and I sat, and this thing, the kids had turned the house into Santa's grotto. I mean, it's quite scary. The moment you can't see it, but the rest of the house downstairs is like Santa's grotto. They went um Completely overboard with as many decorations as possible could and then said do we more? Yes, we do um Because of cancer. Let's just let's just listen get more. Let's get more. Let's get more Christmas decks And so it's crazy. kindness I know it's a little kindness. Here we go. Yeah. Yeah, exactly and I it was kind of it was it was really it was really funny because um, I I was meant to be a holiday now anyway, so I should have been on holiday.
00:54:36
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it was It was my annual leave. I had used up all my annual leave until the end of the year. I've carried over the holiday that i was study you I'm using Tokyo already, so I've already got that locked for next year. I've got a holiday that I will lose had i not used yeah how I not used it. So I should have been on holiday now at the moment. That typically happens every year. I've got spare at the end of the year. I've got to use it.
00:54:57
Speaker
and I should have been on holiday at the moment we at which point i start getting christmassy i start feeling christmassy i start you know i start getting into the spirit of it i'm you know i'm lucy and the kids now are still working and they run i i do a lot of running around for them oh we've forgotten this we've forgotten that let's get this let's do i do all of that until generally switch off from work and generally get into the Christmas spirit. Truly, this year, I wasn't able to do that. So when we left, you know when we were leaving, it was kind of like the... We left on the 17th of December. It was like, holy shit! Well, sorry, we came back on the 17th of December and I'm thinking, holy shit, it's Christmas next next week. It's next week, it's Christmas. I haven't had experience anything. So the first thing we did is
00:55:44
Speaker
What do we do? We boot it up Disney Plus and we watch Muth This Christmas Carol. Boom! I'm there. Boom! It's the gratification. Instant Christmas gratification. So yeah. had like the time and the Time travel to like right into the middle of Christmas spirit. Yeah, yeah. I don't feel as if I've missed out on anything now because I'm neck deep in Christmas spirit.
00:56:08
Speaker
So that was that was the before and after. um I'm still watching Shrinking. I watched a couple of episodes of Shrinking season two, Silo season two, and look obviously June property. But again, Wi-Fi in the let's say hotel, I wish. In the hospital was that was not great. And so I've got some catching up to do there, which is fine because I ain't going anywhere.
00:56:31
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As I said, listening to all of you guys, all of you guys, and in particular, that there's the prediction show I recommend from Scruffy's, which was, again, ah ah ah came out with a lot of hilarity, as to what they're what they're predicting for getting crew, high potion, spell out, I'm a city list owner, so forth.
00:56:58
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um And then, um playing playing should have been a Steam Deck. In fact, i one of the games I've got is them Squadrons, because you...
00:57:11
Speaker
You were talking a while ago about how Outlaws made you want to play squadrons, and in doing and getting the theme deck that wanted to make me play squadrons as well. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to, but that's what I... Let's say future playing, once you've got this whole thing fixed. You've been playing the setup screen. second sorry You've been playing the setup screen. Basically, yeah.
00:57:37
Speaker
Yeah, basically. Running out of lives on that one, but... Yeah, one thing I have walked over and over and over again, because despite the Wi-Fi not being so great, I did a clever thing, and when I did get good Wi-Fi, I downloaded it, and stored it on my Giganta phone.
00:57:55
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um One thing that I did do was watch certain crew ah all the way through, so I had all included, well today didn't really count because I'm already at home, but the first three episodes for sure went down a sh street over and over and over again. so um We spoke about the so first two episodes. um You spoke about episode three with Turbo beautifully. You guys covered it beautifully last week.
00:58:28
Speaker
where where's your where well Where's your head out? What do you think of episode four? And where's your head out on the series four episodes in because I skipped a week with you.
00:58:40
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do Well, do you want to talk about what you thought of episode three first? Do you want to do you want to get into that? but i um Yeah, I thought it was great. I thought it was brilliant fun. I thought it was great. I was i surprised that we were still hanging around. Do you understand what I mean? Because we've only got... I'm surprised that we're, I guess, for me, it's going to see that his owl mate, his buddy that was an owl, was needed. And in fact, the mistake or the assumption took them to, obviously, what we saw in episode four being the wrong planet.
00:59:17
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um But yeah, I thought it was great. I thought it introduced... I'm just loving it, man. It doesn't need to be complicated. It's not complicated. Or for a brain like mine. It it hits it hits all of the... It hits all of the the right notes and the right tones for me.
00:59:33
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um abby and i were revisiting it today because we're loving it so much and and one of the things that abby said was totally agree with and it sounds really strange it sounds really sounds really basic like the her um but the kids sound like kids hmm they don't sound like space kids which is the which is kind of where In my mind, Star Wars tries too hard. yeah so you know Too hard to be outer-worldly. No, kids are kids. Kids are kids are kids are kids. yeah yeah you you You listen to Neil describing the ship. yeah know when when i episode tooly example When they go back, it kind of smells.
01:00:24
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yeah its should Little things like that, and and it's the most it's the most simple of writing and the most true of writing, but it just lands. And the way I'm feeling about it at the moment is the same way that I feel about Andor, and you guys are sick of this, I'm sure of it.
01:00:41
Speaker
I see and or is a really really good drama that just a happy being set in Star Wars universe I am finding skeleton crew to be a really really good adventure It just so happens to be in in Star Wars universe could be in the gardens the galaxy. I mean is there's the there's many as many um um um Takes tones and whatever you want to call it the remind me of gardens the galaxy for example especially in um Yeah, episode three when they're escaping. Is it episode three when they escape? No, on episode two. Oh, on episode two, yeah, yeah. When they escape the pirate and claver and Jude's gone to go and pick up SM Street 3 and he's on his way back to the ship.
01:01:28
Speaker
and you've got all of these pirates that are chasing him, and they're actually shooting blasters outside of these ships. It's very, very, for me, ah guidance of Galaxy S, and I love it. I love it. The subject matter, or sorry, the the environment.
01:01:43
Speaker
or their ah the environment or the ah positioning doesn't really matter. It's the story. yeah I love it. And again, it just so happens to be in the Star Wars universe for which I am really grateful. I think that we've been really spoiled in that we get good stuff like this.
01:02:01
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I could not agree more. I am i've i've never had like so i think this is 10 out of 10 for me. I am loving this show. i I do think i'm i'm having like as I continue to watch it, I think I've had like a bit of a...
01:02:17
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a cathartic kind of transformative experience with it. um I think I was in the middle of that when I did my last like ah immediate review with Hawes, and if anybody listened to that, they could probably hear me going through it, like struggling mentally. like Just like trying to process this latest episode of being like, I've i've had such a, not a hard time, but like it's been so hard to like let go of the years of like every show needing just building on top of previous shows and you have to be on the inside and you have to know, like, to truly get it, you have to have watched all this back stuff and like, oh, season four, phone wars and this and this and this and like, um you have to be on the inside and like this, like it's just been so nice to just kind of like, similar to what you were talking about earlier, it's like, I can just let go and just enjoy it and for what it is and what it is giving me and I don't have to constantly be like,
01:03:13
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How's this connected? How's this connected? How's this connected? And or like, like this fourth episode just being like, it took me halfway through the episode. I mean, it was a bit of a fever dream of an episode at times. I still stand by that, but it's not good. I love it. But it, it took me about halfway through the first watch to be like,
01:03:32
Speaker
Oh my God, is it time travel? Are these gonna be kid clones? Is it like the same planet that they go back in time and it's at your forward in time and it's actually devastated now? Then all of a sudden I just had this realization of like, what the fuck am I doing? Do I hear my own, do I hear myself now? What monster have I created?
01:03:55
Speaker
Like that I'm so like, it to what I enjoy speculation. I love it. You know this. You know, I love going down the rabbit hole and being like, the droid gotcha is in charge of the planet and they're the doll droids and the humans are slaves on that ad. Yeah, that's that's fun to me. I think this is hilarious and because I'm always wrong. But this ah but this concept of like sitting and watching a show and like getting in my own head to the point where I'm like half watching, half thinking about how it's connected. Like, that's not fun. Why why did I become this way? like And the fact that I'm able to let that go and to just enjoy it is is great to me. Yeah, yeah you know, you're 100%. I don't have any answers for you, but I would suggest that that's the way this has been conditioned.
01:04:43
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yeah to be and it's not And that's certainly not on Lucasfilm. That's certainly not on a city not on the Star Wars team. That's certainly not on the content that we've been given. That's on us. no yeah That's on us. And we've conditioned ourselves to be always consistent almost permanently on the defensive. butre we're We're always on the defensive at the moment. And it's it's it's kind of like because of you know either Either the either the um discord that's going on within the community has has has has galvanized us somehow and and and making sure that we're able to defend the the the the franchise and the subject matter that we love, um that we defend it vehemently without any kind of thought or run or reason, when really we've said it over and over again,
01:05:47
Speaker
We don't really demonstrate the reality, which is if you don't like it, then watch it. And it's okay not to like something and to love something else. It's okay to do cherry pick what you like, what you don't like, and embrace what you don't what you like, and yeah know and reinvent almost in your headcount of what you don't. it's like we don't There's so much intense, there's been so much intensity on this. I want to call it sides. I don't want to call it sides.
01:06:28
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it's it
01:06:31
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yeah chair I've seen
01:06:37
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the worst of people or experience the worst of people from both sides. and What I mean by that is that people that love it and people that hate it, I've seen the worst of behavior to
In-Depth Analysis of 'Skeleton Crew'
01:06:52
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each other, to our fellow man, um on both sides of the argument. and yeah naively or with naively, I kind of thought I was on the side of right. Do you know what I mean? Does that make sense? Yeah, I know what you mean. When really,
01:07:12
Speaker
I don't fucking care. Really, if I'm thinking about it, I really don't care. And I choose to to to to like what I like, and I like what I like here. And and quite frankly, you know, if if i didn't If I didn't like it, I should feel comfortable in my own skin and say, I didn't like it, but um'm I'm really happy for you that you do like it or... Yeah, it's traveling like I would you like. but Exactly, but but I do know what you mean. Even though, I mean, these are really, really well-meaning words, I do know what you mean in that you still
01:07:49
Speaker
you still over analyze it. It's not the speculation stuff is awesome. I love that stuff. But it's beyond that. I know what you mean. it's It's kind of beyond when do we get to a point where it goes beyond so speculation to a point where we're just, you know, hyper, hyper, hyper sensitive towards the fallout.
01:08:09
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all yeah of how something like this is received. Sorry, man, that's a... Hey, it's been two weeks, so I had to get... Yeah, I had to get away. No, dude, that's... No, that's awesome. I agree 100%. I think that's at that that's... That's another way like of way of saying what i'm what I'm getting at. Like, I'm glad that somebody else is kind of like... Oh, I'm with you. I'm with you. When did we all start taking this so seriously? he ah Exactly.
01:08:37
Speaker
and i they know you know And we need to talk about see and we need some about episode four, but you know, when did we take ourselves so seriously? This has landed is exactly the right time. I always was already excited. Yeah. The backwater landing at Christmas and it's a kid's boom. And I prepared by watching Goonies. I prepared by watching Treasure Planet. Smart move, by the way. Watching Treasure Planet four before all just came out. Ironic. Ironic. The parallels in that.
01:09:05
Speaker
But the point being is, you know, it's come out of just the right time for me. And good God, dude. That was before I went into hospital, where I had no idea what the hell was going on with me. Coming out the other side.
01:09:20
Speaker
It's almost like they made it to the main. Does that make sense? Does that make sense? yeah No. like i mean so even even Even as for me, it's like the it's hitting so well at Christmas. like yeah i didn't I did not think of how well this would fit this season. It just feels right. Yeah. yeah ah Okay, dude. Episode 4. Episode 4.
01:09:43
Speaker
Whoo, season episode four, holy moly. Deep joint, really deep. Really really... Like, I'll be honest, like when I was in my my first watch through, the first couple minutes, I'm like, wait, did they like publish the wrong episode? Did they publish episode five? Because I'm like, what how did we get here? But it's like it's more of that kind of like editing over, like, we're not messing around with like the every second, like, here's how we got to here. It's like, no, we're here now. This is where we're going. And like I'm appreciating that in Star Wars on its own. So like it took me a minute to like get used to it. I'm like, whoa, we're here at this planet.
01:10:22
Speaker
No, no adults in the cockpit. Okay, moving forward like I'm getting I'm cool. I really enjoyed the episode. It took me the longer time goes by and the more I can sit with it and just kind of like ah release some of Not expectations, but it's like the only way I can describe is like if I un-pucker my butt for a minute like the longer I have between that like the more I enjoy it yeah, it's like just relax and It was a fever dream though. I remember so Madison hasn't been watching, but she's been in the area like constantly walking in front of the TV and doing stuff, turning the lights off and on while I'm watching it. so shit like There's time for a show to look at me. She's like, what are you watching? like She's like, is this Star Wars? I'm like, I think i think it is. i yeah I'm like laughing most of the time going,
01:11:11
Speaker
What is happening? What am I watching? This is so bizarre, but fun and I am enjoying it. And like, there's so much to think about and talk about. And there's little roles and just, I don't know, it's so funny. There's Neil, I love the Neil centric stuff, but go ahead. Sorry, I'm blabbering forever. I just want to remember what you said. No, no, you are talking, I promise you, but let's comment what you said. It's so deep for a kid's TV program. It's more, yeah it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it.
01:11:39
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it's deeper than it has any right to be you think about you think about the twit we're watching watching goodies in space or yeah we're watching goodies in space uh they're lost they want to get home that's kind of like the beginning in the middle and the end of most amblin entertainment uh stories right in the meantime we kind of speculated correctly and i keep you know and i harp on about this ah Forever in a day but quite correctly we we speculated that the planet. Is the is the the mcguffin the x on the treasure map we should we we speculated correctly that obviously. um
01:12:21
Speaker
dude who I have to say is killing it. I'm loving his expressions. He's really rat. You can tell he's having fun. kills having a walk down and out while he's He's having a But the fact that he's um the that that he's ah the bad guy and doesn't give a shit that he's the bad guy. yeah ah And yeah, it's charming and all and and and all of the above. It's fantastic, but we we kind of speculated that you'd be the bad guy. And then episode four, you get another twist. You get another twist in that, yeah, you know that this planet that the kids come from is somehow, um,
01:13:03
Speaker
it's a my you know It's a myth, it's a legend, it's it's the planet of infinite treasure and everything else. um And it's part of this network of all of planets that were kind of established by the New Republic. Oh, and they're identical to each other. What's that? Let's flip this little nuance into it. It's like this is the clever shit. This is really, really clever stuff.
01:13:29
Speaker
yeah so it's like It's opening up a lot of possibilities of like what is intriguing. Why the hell would you have every single civilization identical to each other? Is it some sort of some sort of you know social experiment? Is it some sort of i don't know um um population control and genetic control? Who knows?
01:13:55
Speaker
It's a kids TV program. It's brilliant. It's absolutely brilliant. Sorry, man. Done that again. No, no, that's totally fine. I think that to your point about like the deep being deep for a kids show, I think that's one of the big things for me that I'm really and appreciating. It's like, you you know, that I grew up in a house full of kids. My mom babysat for us, but I've seen a lot of kids shows my entire like, like yeah.
01:14:19
Speaker
um And the thing that always bugged me about the majority of them is they always it always feels pan like the pandering like it's always in ah an adult row a script for a child and they don't know the voice of children or like it's always got to have some like Moral ah like I'm fine with morals and kids and kids shows but like it always felt very on the nose and pandering this is so refreshing because it it takes the ambleness feeling and but it doesn't it doesn't rely on like the 80s and 90s tropes where it's like 90% crude and then like 10% just stuff that doesn't like translate to today but it also doesn't go the other direction where it feels like a kids television show where it feels pandery and not like just watered down like adults writing the the the narrative for kids this feels the kids feel natural they feel
01:15:15
Speaker
like they're allowed to have real emotions. Like I think the fern and whim conversation was like I was not expecting that like to be that like you you could see that if somebody told you like hey they're about to have a deep moment where fern feels whatever and it's like okay the the kids show narrative trope will tell you it's going to go one way But then it's like, no, it felt it felt real. It's like, no, like, oh, you can't just say i I'm I'm the captain and they expect me to make a decision. It's like.
01:15:47
Speaker
What are they? love what if they Have they been dating for 10 years and they're finally having like a deep conversation? what is hat What is happening? This is so... Yeah, Wim as well. I mean, like a lot of people, I did not warm to him at the in the beginning. I still want to patch a little shit that should to do as you're told. You know, you're going to get a lot of people in a lot of trouble. but And now the the development that we saw in episode four and and and that kind of conversation just demonstrated a kid that is... yeah look at Look at the look at the um the very clear non-resentment that they were going back, the disappointment that they were going back to their normal lives. The guy feels like it i mean immediately over four episodes you've seen the development of to to expose this kid that is
01:16:38
Speaker
bored, doesn't feel particularly loved, I guess, or certainly doesn't have a particularly close relationship with his pair with his father, sorry, um and is looking for something, and is hungry for something else. I mean, it's great. Well, they're also sheltered. They're also extremely sheltered and extremely naive. It's like, why would he understand the danger that he's in?
01:17:02
Speaker
yeah when they've grown up on a planet that had is completely yeah isolated, and he's grown up with these fantasy Jedi novels of like, he's extremely naive. Yes, I find him extremely irritating, but I'm also an adult who, yeah like, I'm not a kid anymore, so I'm like, dude, you're in danger. Stop, don't push the button. But 12-year-old B would've been like, push push the fucking button, push it. Yeah, let's go on an adventure. What what what else do you know? And so I think it's irritating because it's real.
01:17:32
Speaker
thats like Wim did need a win like I will say he needed a win by the end of that episode I'm like when he picked up the big gun which first of all as an also as an adult and but Completely reckless behavior by all of those adults in that encampment, just letting this kid pick up at whatever. Yeah, but but who cares? It's who cares. Don't think about it too much. But then like after all that, it's like, god, he needs a win. And I feel like they gave him one. yeah Like, a humility. it's like He may be a dumb, brash kid when it comes to just like his recklessness and like lack of fear because he's naive. But when it comes to serious emotional stuff,
01:18:11
Speaker
like they're giving him some depth of like, no, I'm not just some slap dick kid being like, oh, I'm just a complete mess. And it's like. Oh, I should be the captain. It's like, no, it's like he's he has more depth and hopefully we're going to continue to see that as we time moves on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. um i Yeah, I know I just think it's. I think it's great. And I think that. I mean, most valuable player at the moment is the I'm a little bit disappointed that term we haven't seen maybe some out of the other. i get i guess I guess it's turning into Focus Child of the Week, but I have to say, Neil this week was phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal in this
01:19:04
Speaker
It's an amazing story of his vulnerabilities, fear, ah his persona, his lack of courage being his being his key strength. It's like, and there you go, there's your moral story. There's your, there's your, there's your, there's your, there's your amblin, there's your amblin tale going back to your, going back to your your your your last point around. It doesn't feel like it's packaged that way. And you're right, it doesn't feel it like it's packaged that way.
01:19:33
Speaker
the Amblin stories or the Amblin formula, I'm saying Amblin, but you know what I mean. Anyone that created those pro theres comments for movies back in the 80s. It's the kind of disposable film that you shove a kid in front of and you know it's safe, you're going to be fine. I wouldn't say it's a bay it's a film, the type of movies for bad parenting, but Kind of you know what you're gonna get it's safe. It's really really easy. yeah Yeah, what's great about this is that yeah? They're using that formula, but they're slipping in all of these little nuances and these little twists and the things like yeah, there are
01:20:10
Speaker
There are children fighting adults. yeah there are there are Something has gone awry here. is a little but little bit of yeah We're introducing a little bit of post-apocalyptic horror ah yeah into and so a story of kids trying to get back home. Well, it's a modern take, but there's also an ah an emotional intelligence to it, too. Yeah. i know it's and well on mike but um Sorry, I'm lame, but keep going, dude. There does seem to be a lot of like a lot of thoughts that like it's going to become like ah a kid's arc of the week. And I do think this this i do think this week was a strong one for Neil, because I think Neil needed an episode worth of time to get it through. like it felt very like
01:20:55
Speaker
Neil finding his way and people like, oh, I wonder if we're gonna get KB's next. And i like for me personally, this is a prediction. I think KB's is kind of gonna be a multi, like a multi episode, but I think we've already started to see it from the very first episode when she's messing with fuzzball and then now with the owl. And like, I think we're gonna see her her emotional and kind of empathetic arc over the course of the season. mean i am I am still, I am dead set that like there is and Hers is kind of like a purse her arc is kind of in the background a little bit of kind of whatever her I think it's gonna come out at when this is all over in there. Oh It's an assisted device like she has some kind of Star Wars version of ah of a childhood like disability and that parent you haven been like Do
01:21:43
Speaker
Her parents don't have any mechanics or anything. And they're worried about her like medical life support, her life tracker thing. And they're very like protective, almost overprotective. And that's what made me feel like, oh, she it's it's like a disability thing. And so like they are kind of the trope of like the overprotective parents. Yeah.
01:22:07
Speaker
yeah And so were i i I see her arc kind of going across this season of like showing a strength and maybe whatever it ends up being that her is perceive perceived as her disability. yeah is Her overcoming that and proving that to her parents and her parents being like, oh my gosh, wow, you're so I can't believe you did that. like You are capable, or whatever that that trope is. I don't know the proper words to use. I'm trying to mince my words and like not be whatever, but like people know that trope that I'm talking about. And I'm like, no, you can't go outside the bubble boy. kind of ah like No, you can't go outside. The germs will get on you. And it's like, actually, your they're a lot stronger than you thought they were, kind of thing. yeah and I think that's kidding me. I'm really excited to see. Well, I mean, I think it's them.
01:23:00
Speaker
I think the conditioning, i mean the the parents, there's also yeah mean this multi-generational conditioning that's going been going on, yeah and i wear they wear the um which probably explain the reason why it goes wrong. It goes really wrong. i mean Look at the rat shit on the planet that we saw that we saw yesterday.
01:23:16
Speaker
yeah so i mean it's it's kind of like um i think it ah same
01:23:22
Speaker
I think their reaction is quite natural. if that's or but Is that what themselves have been through? It's all about yeah what what they've been through. but yeah no it's it's it's ah It's amazing, man.
Star Wars Universe Speculations
01:23:32
Speaker
um I'm going to have to accelerate a little bit if you don't mind, mate, but there's a couple of things wanted to point out, and that's because um I have no chance to speak to you about how I feel about this. I want to hear it. First of all, it's exactly what I need right now. There's a couple of things that I i did reach out to you on Discord when I found out that Jude Law's character is also known as Crimson Jack.
01:24:03
Speaker
Yep. I mean, I actually think you call it out on Hawes's early review as well. It's like my mind exploded and I was sitting in a waiting room waiting for an um MRI scan when the name Crimson Jack came out and I shouted at the top of my voice, dude,
01:24:34
Speaker
I'm a grown man. I'm a grown man. And I shouted at the top of my voice, hell yeah, Crimson Jack. Pretty much everyone in that wasting room, all the other patients are also waiting to have their MRI scans as well. Look to me as if I was a crazy person that should be locked away at that moment in time.
01:24:58
Speaker
Yeah, I i fist bumped the air when I heard that name. Fantastic. I hope they do something with it. I dont hope it's not just a spinaway thing because there's no reason why they can't rewrite Crimson Jack story. um There's no reason why it can't be used as ah as ah as a pseudonym or or something like that. but But it would be great if they kept that guy. Everything is ice. Maybe even a speedier speedo cameo, maybe, and just the just the little trunks, too. You never know. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The fact that you never wore pants. That was all quite funny.
01:25:37
Speaker
The second thing I picked up on, and again, this has nothing to do with seed with episode 4, but I heard that Hondo's ship from Galaxy's Edge is spotted in the Cora enclave. Unfortunately, I think it was damaged when when they escape, when they when they break the torso cable or the fuel cable, but there is evidence that there is at least a type of shit that could be associated with Hondo, um and again, does that. It's so juicy, man. It's so juicy. These are secondary turgory characters that
01:26:16
Speaker
a low w risk and it doesn't mean anything and it doesn't touch that goddamn Skywalker timeline. It doesn't touch the solos, the Palpatine, the Skywalkers, the Kenobi's. It's just really, really good stuff. that They can have an absolute blast.
01:26:34
Speaker
messing around with. um So it was that um the music, ah i had it i've been I've been humming it all day, of course, because we've been talking now for the last hour or so, I can't remember. But the music i mean the music in the premiere, I didn't pick up on it that much.
01:26:53
Speaker
but I have again i have re um recommend rewatching it. It just gets better. It gets better and better and better and better. Especially when you see each story tying into the next and you start seeing the development of certain people, Jude in particular. hes i'm sorry yeah that thep the the The pirate music, especially in yeah at at the end, when the when the credits go out.
01:27:15
Speaker
I love it. Absolutely love it. I love all that stuff. Again, very Treasure Planet. And then lastly, i the last thing I had was... um
01:27:29
Speaker
it I don't know whether this is on purpose or whether it's where i met my mind's at the moment, but everything seems to be coming together in some sort of delicious Star Wars underworld or pirate suit. I've been playing outlaws, loved every minute of it. I've loved it. I've been watching Skeleton Crew. The other film that I forgot, that I've watched since I got back was Solo. Now I know Solo,
01:27:59
Speaker
has an awful lot of, um there are mixed feelings from various people on Solo on whether there's a great whether whether it's bad or good. I have to say Solo is fantastic because with this, you know, I'm a space pirate guy now, but with this new attitude, this new attitude I've got, I just slipped on Solo this afternoon. So I had some, um I have to get out of the way. They're putting some stuff into the house at the moment to help my accessibility for certain things. And I'd stay out of the way. So I came up to the bedroom and I ended up starting watching Solo. And I have to say, it complements Skeleton Crew beautifully. And I will die on that hill. Solo, when you get past the initial
01:28:57
Speaker
and there and there's some stuff in there and I'm so low. ah when when you get When you get past the the cheese and stuff, the minute that you meet up with Dryden Voss and the first of that game with with Lando,
01:29:12
Speaker
it all It all blends, the whole thing blends beautifully. And where my head's at, I don't think they'll listen to me. Of course I don't. But I tell you what, where my head's at at the moment, it's a perfect, perfect leaf fertile environment of where they can develop Star Wars and take it forward with no risk.
01:29:36
Speaker
again because it doesn't touch it doesn't touch it doesn't touch galactic politics it doesn't touch the uh uh uh the sacred text it doesn't touch canon it's just a really really good environment you could have a lot of fun anyway that's how i feel about skeleton crew and like i said i was excited when i went in what I've been through the last couple of weeks.
Reflection and Closing Remarks
01:30:04
Speaker
I couldn't think of anything better. I really can't. That's awesome. I am in the same page, same group.
01:30:17
Speaker
Dude, next week we will be back. um And we'll be a little bit more structured, because um because we will. um I'm sorry if I railroaded an awful lot of this ah this week, but I had a lot to get off my chest.
01:30:36
Speaker
um Thank you so much for being my friend and taking so much to keep the pilot light on while I was away. um Thank you again Turbo, thank you again everyone that's reached out and given me the best wishes. Thank you, thank you, thank you everyone. I really appreciate you. I love this. This is good for the me. um And I will catch you next week. Sean, do you want to take us out, mate?
01:31:04
Speaker
I can. Thank you, everybody. thanks Thank you, Mandy, for hopping on. This is the the jewel of my week. I'm happy to have you back, buddy. If you want to like catch us at other places, go to our website at justshillin.com, where you can find links to our social media and everywhere everything else. um Yeah, like I'm just um excited about this. I'm excited about Skeleton Crew, and I look forward to talking to you next week. Until then.
01:31:35
Speaker
Cheers, guys. Look after yourselves. Listen to your body. Lots of love. Have an amazing Christmas. If we don't talk to you before then, for sure. Take care. Bye. Bye.