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Episode 042 - Spooky Season
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This week, we talk about things we watched, what we've been up to, shpooky season things, and Andy's much-deserved vacation.
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Transcript
Introduction and Casual Opening
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Speaker
Hello, welcome to episode number 42 of Just Chillin'. I am one of your hosts, Sean Hoffman.
Halloween Plans and Taylor Swift Concert
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And I'm your other host, Andy Bell. Happy Halloween, mate. Happy Halloween, buddy. How are you? Where are you? What are you doing? I am, I'm in Halloween town. No, I'm in ah i in ah um in the middle of Indiana. Nice. fine Final leg of the journey. I mean, the final leg will be home, but ah the final stop before home. yeah Tomorrow is the Taylor Swift concert for Madison and I. Yay! Today is Halloween. Tonight is trick or treating, which we'll we'll get to.
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Not a lot has happened, but I'm good, I'm good. The weather has been kind of all over the place, as as is, I think at times I forget when I've not been to Midwest in a while, where it's like one day it could be like freezing, the next it can be like 80, and then it's next day it's thunderstorms, and this has been wreaking havoc on my sinuses, so it's been a grand old time. I did not miss that aspect, but it's been good, it's been good. this this Tonight, I'll say the Halloween stuff for a minute.
Nostalgic Visit to Kokomo Toys
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Yesterday, as some of the ah some of our friends may know, because I was bombarding people with photos, I did make it up to my hometown. um One, because there's a very, very special ice cream place there um that I have to go to. And two, actually there's probably the only two things that are in that town. um There's a place called Kokomo Toys that I went to, which is like,
00:01:57
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a vintage toy store. I mean, it's kind of a toy store a little bit, like but they don't sell. And it's kind of expanding beyond vintage toys. It's like vintage and vintage toys and kind of collector's items stuff. So um I like to make a trip up there every once in a while. I'm pretty sure the guy who owns it went to school with my older brother like at our high school, but I don't know. I don't know much about it. But no, I know they have like a big eBay presence and stuff, and it was it was pretty neat. I like to go up there. They've got I mean, I'm sure you could test ah testify to it cause I sent you know a bunch of pictures. Just an obscene amount of vintage toys. Yeah. Just amazing. Piles of stuff. Like whether it's like the the original Kenner figures with the backer card like available to that 10 foot tall or however tall that was like giant Naboo fighter that you were asking about like display piece to like a billion and a half Funko pops.
00:02:56
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They had like, my mom my mom went with me. They had like her Barbie that she played with when she was a kid. And also like apparently she had like this troll, like not trolls like my generation trolls where they had the jewel in their tummy, but like the original trolls, like a tree house, they had all that. They had like movie props, tons of stuff, tons of tons of stuff. I could spend an a lot of money in there. yeah It looked great and it it looked, um Well, there are two things I thought, well, three things I thought of. First of all, the guy who wrote, the people that run it clearly it give a shit about what they're doing because it looked in, all of it looked in really, really good condition. Even they even the loose stuff looked pretty good, which I think is one of the things that going around some of these toy fairs you notice is that people that,
00:03:56
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that care about what they sell you and people that don't. And it literally is just a trade and they treat their stock like crap. um And it looked pretty good. It looked really, really good. I think a lot of those things, like I always tell Madison that kind of have this like, it's a, like a an antique shop. I have like an antique shop theory that I always talk about where it's like antique stores are only as good as like when they first open or if they have a really good owner because you get stuff in and then the good stuff gets purchased and then the sucky stuff stays and then eventually you just have a ah store full of sucky stuff that nobody wants. like And so I think to your point, I i know like i know a little bit about their process. like I know they have a whole back room where they have ton a bunch of people working where they they bring everything in and they kind of like
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not strip it all down but they have like everything out and all the people back there like know everything and so like about the toys and they'll like reorganize stuff to put things like together as like sets so like oh they'll get like a a vintage Adam from Masters of the Universe and then they'll go and get a like the like an original like the fuzzy vest like the thing he wore and so like they know how to like kit things together to like make it complete again. writing that that yeah the collection rather than they don't just buy They don't just buy things for the sake of buying it like it was really funny we were in there and there was a guy who came in like almost on cue because my mom was like what are all these things I'm like those are Funko pops.
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Those are, she's like, what are they? I'm like, that is a very, very interesting question that could be answered in a lot of ways, depending on who you ask. ah And there's a guy who came in, he's like, hey, talking to them. He's like, hey, i got I got a bunch of Funko Pops I'm trying to sell. ah do you got like Is that cool? And the guy's like, yeah, bring them in, put them over there and we can take a look. like Bring them in, we'll take a look at them. He's like, yeah, can you I'm just parked outside, can you help me bring him in? He's like, no, no, i I cannot help you. I do not have a hand. Like he didn't mean it in a shitty way. I think he's-
00:05:59
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he's And he's like, cool well, can you hold the door? He's like, I cannot help you. Because I'm sure he is dealing with people bringing a funk up. Like they are very particular about what they buy and they're not buying like pieces and maybe we'll sell them for scrap. It's a very curated.
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collection almost to the point where like he had they had the whole USS flag GI i Joe aircraft carrier set I saw that I saw that with stuff on top of it like it was kind of like a yeah collection like display I'm like yeah that's how much they care when you have stuff like that and the stuff on top of it is curated as well it's it's pretty neat um I was about to say number two, number two observation I made was that the pricing seemed okay. It seemed really, really reasonable. It didn't seem to be particularly outrageous, but I do have to ask you, how much was the flag? ah The flag, I believe, so it came had the box. I mean, the box was yeah not great. um yeah I believe all the stuff in that window is his personal the owner's personal collection, but it's also kind of for sale as well, kind of like a display. um I believe it was either
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um I could be mixing up with something else. It was either 1,200 or 2,500. I'd have to look at the photo. Okay. But I know i know it was one of those two, so I might be mixing it up with something else that was beside it. I'm sure it's an absolute nightmare to buy, because it's like, hey, take all this other crap off, and how do you... It is insane how big that thing is. I've never seen one fully put together in real life, and like that's ridiculous. like That is...
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And you so you said that the, you said that the N1, the six foot Edwell, five foot N1, the star fighter, that was about a ground, right? Yeah, that was, that was a thousand dollars. Yeah. And it literally is a ah Toys R Us display. Yeah. it's and it was it's just It's set up on its end. And and i think that I think that thing was probably six or seven feet tall, because it was taller than I was. And wow by by a considerable margin, it was just kind of up on its points, and the the tip the tail was sticking up in the air. Yeah, it just had like a like ah price tag on it. It was like, oh, $1,000.
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that that a tax-free tax free tax write off maybe or no. Yeah, that hands. it it It looked great. It looked great. But a grand. Oh, yeah. It's like you that needs to be packed and shipped and delivered. I mean, boss, I also don't need a seven foot in one. But there was some other stuff in there that was like, Oh, I could they had a They had something I'd never seen before. I didn't get a good picture of it, because it was up on the shelf, and I had the guy get it down, because I was like, oh, that's kind of neat. It was a ah holiday Boba Fett. He was kind of it was kind of a maquette. But it was it was very, very heavy. He had like a gun, but it was a candy cane. And he was kind of like posed in a way, and he had like Christmas boxes and stuff behind him. And it had like own like a
Nostalgic Toys and Collectibles Discussion
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snowy background. I'm like, I've never seen this thing before.
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But it was kind of it was kind of neat and it's like 75 bucks. I'm like, that's that's about 65 more than I wanted to pay. So I'm okay. yeah look great and It It looked really, really good. And it reminded me an awful lot of this. um I don't know if you remember the conversation we had with Kevin, Chris, and they talked about before they went to Fairs, they went to a place in Leicester with this guy, this YouTuber. The YouTuber owns his store there, although he he does tour. um It reminded me very much of his place in that it's it literally in Aladdin's cave of of of stuff of stuff. But yeah, it looked really, really good. It looked really, really good. Yeah, it was fun. i
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and One thing that like it does take a little bit of a hunt out, like when you're when you just go and you're like, yeah, I'll take all of this. Yeah, but it's still but it's still kind of like the other stuff we were talking about with Chris, where it's like, it's cool to be able to see things in an easy way, where it's like you just walk up to a cabin and be like, that's everything.
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That's the whole line. i don't like I can see it all right there. like guess there isn an like If you had deep pockets, you could be like, instant gratification. I'll take that. Thank you. But it is it was kind of neat to see. And that most of the stuff was like complete. like like They curate a lot of it. like I was looking for some go bot stuff for for our set list friends. um But there was a lot of Transformers, a lot ah a lot of Ultron. Nice. But it was kind of cool just to be like, oh yeah, that's what my that's what we had. And I think it was shocking for my mom because she like would bring the daycare out of the house. So she's kind of seen a lot of these toys turn over and stuff over the years. And just seeing the price tags on them now I think was pretty. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If if if if my if my mother was alive, ah
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bless her. If she was alive today, and she could see the type of crap that I'm buying and the type of crap that she threw away. um ah that that That was in our loft before. ah After I left home, she would. Yeah, she'd be she'd be most most surprised and most and most shocked.
Taylor Swift Concert Preparations
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So you've been so you're now staying with your mom, right? You're now? Yeah, email yeah excellent. You've got you've got the You've got the concert tomorrow night, you've got the gig tomorrow night, and then when you're heading heading back home, are you but heading back home later on the weekend or is it next week? ah Sunday. We're we're flying back Sunday morning. Right, okay. yeah Into the warm embrace of to two very... Apathetic cats, yeah. I was about to say as about say two very enthusiastic cats, but if they're anything like mine, they'll just take one look at you and...
00:11:38
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maybe maybe vaguely remember that you've actually been away. Yeah, Bluebell is not the not the smart one and she's, she'll be like, oh cool, you guys are neat. But she's been getting, like our neighbor's been watching them and she's big on like, coming loving on the cats. And so Bluebell's been getting lots of pets, so I'm sure she could care less when we come home. Right. And our neighbors also picked up on the fact that Scoop is very temperamental in a like,
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I'm either like interested like oh cool you're neat and then you feed me that I'm gone or just like I want nothing to do with you and just kind of give you this like he's kind of like a like the stereotypical like ah teenager just kind of like always like looking like yeah kind of like oh what do you what do you want So I'm sure he's not he could care less if we come back either, but it's going to start getting really cold. So they're going to want us to come back and really kind of adjust the temperature because I guarantee our neighbors not turning on the heating blanket for him. So they are they're going to want that pretty soon. Yeah, you have the uses. Excellent. Yes. So. yeah yeah
00:12:42
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So it's been a week. What else have you been up to? um not Not much besides just preparing for this concert tomorrow, which I've slowly realized over the course of however long we've had these tickets, which has been almost a year now, um, that I think I've made a huge mistake. and Like, I mean that jokingly, but it's like, Oh, I thought, all right. Oh, cause I got them for Madison. I'm like, Hey, like you can take whoever you want. She's like, no, I want you to go. I'm like, okay, cool. Like it's a once in a lifetime thing. Like it's supposed to be crazy. And like, this could be one of those things. I'm like, Oh yeah. I went to that concert when you look back 40 years from now or whatever. And it's like,
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But the closer it gets, the more I kind of realize how naive I was where I'm like, oh, it's going to be a concert. It's a normal concert. Like ah we we go around concert time. We go in, we go to our seats, we watch said concert, and then we go home.
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when that is so, apparently, so grossly wrong, that's like, oh no. they So i I have been completely oblivious to this whole thing. I'm not like a Swifty or anything like that. Like, I see the videos, I'm like, oh, that's neat. Like, that's cool. That's a big concert.
00:13:54
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um But as I'm getting closer to this, the more I'm kind of like realizing and kind of learning about it, it's like, oh, like, so apparently 80% of the tickets at are like, so we are the last US stop at this location before it goes to Canada. And then it's just done. 80% of the tickets are apparently from out of state purchasers. So there's about to be a massive insane influx, kind of like a Super Bowl or or something like that. They've renamed all of the streets downtown because it's downtown indian Indianapolis, our capital.
00:14:24
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um everywhere. So we have I think Marriott is the corporate sponsor. So all of the Marriott hotels have like, like top of the building, the bottom of the building graphics of just Taylor Swift, like 30 story decals, just stuck on stuck on the of the building. Every restaurant, everything is just got specials and all these events, after parties, it's nuts. And not just that, but they opened the convention center, our Indianapolis Convention Center,
00:14:59
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They opened halls like celebration, like how you know I go in celebration queuing halls. They've opened up multiple of those. Like they opened it yesterday for merch. Just for this concert. I thought you were about to say so that people could start queuing. i would I would be not happy if that was the case. No, it's for merch. It's for merch because the lines for merch are so long that they open it two days early.
00:15:24
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so that you could go in there and wait in lines from which luckily Madison, like Madison rode the bus down yesterday and was like waiting for it to open because everybody was apparently saying, oh, get there before the out of towners get there because it's gonna be insane. Like they're in these huge, hall like it's literally like celebration queuing halls. And you just look down at the end and the one whole wall is just t-shirts and whatever else they were selling. And she got right through, but apparently like the line just, they have security checks, they have police, they have everything to just even get into these,
00:15:53
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events. It's like, Oh my god, what have I done? What am I doing? Like they're already talking about how crazy it's getting down there. It's like the amount of people that are like descending upon the city. i'm like So she has literally taken over the city. Oh, yeah. And it's the the first concert is tomorrow night. So in about 28 hours will be the show and it's already like the city is already just Yeah.
00:16:18
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getting getting ridiculous. and So I think we have a brunch scheduled for Saturday morning. um I think Madison's wanting to go to an after party after the show at one of the hotels. I think we've got, I don't know, dude, i'm I thought I was going to a concert. I think I've got like two days planned. Listen, you're doing a service. You're doing a service. Oh yeah. She wants to go. you your're You're scoring brownie points.
00:16:45
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every minute of the trip. And I act like I don't mean to come across like I'm going to be miserable. Like I'd rather be sitting inside watching the NFL game or something. It's like, no, it's going to be. It's going to be nutty, but I think it's like from my side, things like I think it's funny how naive I was or I'm like, OK, I'll go to that concert with you. And it's like that'd be like saying, oh, start a celebration. That's like going to a panel. And it's like, no, it's buckle up. Put your walking shoes on. Like we're yeah we're going for.
00:17:14
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Oh, so we do have this plan. I don't know if I should talk about this on air. Like she keeps telling all my family that we're going to end up on like the local. She's going to end up on like the local conservative TV station because we were talking about the concert. She's like, Oh my God. Like I'm sure the restrooms are going to be terrible. I'm like, yeah, this will be the first concert I'd ever gone to where I can just like stroll into the men's restroom and be like, La Dida, take my pick.
00:17:35
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and then leave because there's going to be, the the ratio is going to be drastically my favor. And she's like, I can't believe, I can't, I'm not going to want to wait in that line. I'm like, just, just go in the men's. Who cares? Like no one's going to stop. What are they going to do? Stop you? What are they going to do? Find, you like find you? yeah And she's like, Oh yeah. And then I'm going to, yeah, I'm go going to go in there and then I'm going to wave all the other girls on. I'm like, well, okay. Hey.
00:17:57
Speaker
Wait a minute. like And so she's like, yeah, I'm going to end up on the news. It's like Madison for from California goes to Indiana and invites all of the Taylor Swift girls into into the men's basketball. If you need to pee, I'll help you go pee. But if you need to pee, turn it into a revolution. yeah I'm out of here. I'm about to say, I think I'm willing to sit there at the door and go, yeah, it's open. You guys, go ahead.
00:18:23
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yeah Like I'll look, I'll peek, but if we're like knocking over tables and barricading stuff, I'm like, I think that's maybe where I draw the line. So if there's flags, no, I don't want to i don't want to be involved in that. No, no, no. Other than that, dude, other than that, that's all I got going on. That's not quite true. No, no, no, no, no, it's not quite true. What did you do at the weekend? After we spoke.
00:18:47
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The day after we spoke, you did another pod.
Halloween Podcast and Crafting
00:18:51
Speaker
Oh, we recorded a podcast. Oh, yeah I mean, we recorded a podcast with our with our good buddy, Ed, and our, I don't wanna say new good buddy, but like, you know, our buddy, Dave Schrutt, like he's never been on the pod, but he's like, we had him on Just Craftin' where he got to talk about, we got to quiz him on all things Halloween related since he's he's like a pro at yeah creating Halloween decor for the yard and like,
00:19:17
Speaker
I think my biggest takeaway was I was shocked because I think for the longest time like i've I've never like I've never had like like individual conversations with Dave like to the point of like oh hey tell me about your Halloween stuff so I always assumed he was like semi-pro or like had been doing this for a lot longer yeah and then it's like oh no I've only been doing this for like three years and it's like are you kidding me like dude that's so good like but he's dedicated isn't he i mean oh yeah the attention to detail he goes into and i have to say guys i i i've i i love what i'm in all of what you guys do anyway but i thought this week in particular um and no before you say it wasn't because chris wasn't there i wasn't gonna say that no i i know i thought i'd start a bit um um
00:20:03
Speaker
But I thought this week in particular was really, really good. I thought that the passion that Dave put into it and the explanation, he actually really, really good at explaining something that is very visual with the with the spoken word. And I thought it was really, really good. And it's ironic because um kind of I probably already knew through a few things that I've sent him through Discord. but um yeah i Yeah, I kind of, you can see so much of the inspiration he's had from people like Van Oke props and those guys. Yeah, no, I really enjoyed it, mate. And I thought it was really, really good. And the whole storytelling behind how he got, you know, how he went from year one to year three to what yeah what what the future is going to look like was was really, really interesting stuff. You take photographs now and post them up.
00:20:52
Speaker
I did. I post them on Instagram, but ah he sent me he sent me a whole platform. We posted them on there. I guess I could share them with you as well. That'd probably be a good idea. It was kind of cool too because it like coincided perfectly with like getting to help him with like kind of getting my own hand and helping with with some of the... Oh, the laser cutting. The laser cutting stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. like It was just like perfect timing. It's like, oh, hey, doing this and cutting that out and sending it to him. and it's like oh perfect timing. Let's know we could talk about that on the pot. And it just turned out, like I was asking him questions about it. Cause I'm like, Oh man, like I knew what that started as and I see what you've done to it. It's like,
00:21:29
Speaker
yeah teach me Teach me your ways. That is, and especially, the turn I think the craziest thing is the turnaround of how quick he can do, I'm very much an analysis paralysis kind of person. I'm like, what what what should I do? How do I, let's watch some YouTube and learn some things and then just don't do it for a while. he's like He just does it and it's and it's like, dang, dude, that's awesome. Congratulations. But yeah, thanks to those guys. That was a lot of fun.
00:21:56
Speaker
It was good. It was really, really good. And and I'm not just saying that because of my mic, but it was um it was it was thoroughly endst entertainment. And you've and you've had some <unk> had some good comments on Discord as well from it. so Yeah. i'm also i'm also with I'm also shocked at the lumber a little bit of feedback that came from like a brief conversation about talking about my mom's crafts too. I'm just like... Yeah.
00:22:17
Speaker
People like Emily and some others kind of talking to me about the the bunnies. Apparently that was like a, seems like it was a pretty Midwest thing for a very big brief window of time and got to go down that rabbit hole of like little time capsule there. That was pretty wild. Yeah. Excellent. And what about, so and so tell us, tell tell me about the plan for tonight.
00:22:38
Speaker
So tonight, um my youngest niece and nephew are obviously trick-or-treating or something. I don't know. I assume that's what they're doing. um But I also think they're hosting a bunch of kids. So I'm with maybe im maybe walking into like a recess, like a playground.
00:22:54
Speaker
um Madison and I and the whole family, we're going over there and getting to get some chili. We're going to take some chili over. We have some we've been working on our costumes and its as as per the usual where we kind of like get the 80% of the costume and then the day of we're like, it's not enough. It's not enough. We need more. It needs to be better. I've been running around ah before this kind of going to different craft stores and things like that to kind of enhance these costumes um a little bit more, you know, to really take it up a notch. And we are, we're actually going as two Bluey characters. um wax So there are two characters in the show that are, um it's uncle Uncle Rad and Aunt Frisky. They are the childless aunt and uncle of Bluey and Bingo. And they're kind of like, kind of like younger,
00:23:49
Speaker
like on vacations and video calling in or whatever and so like we're dressing up as them so like we have like a shirt that's got like their pat their patterns on it's got a tail um and like we got like pants and madison's like wearing like the socks and the hair thing like her so then it's like oh we need like okay we got to get some like black face paint for like the nose like put like a nose on like a dog nose and then uh Like I got a hat that I'm kind of dying to make it look like his hairstyle. And Madison, I got some cat ears that we like painted to make it look like little cat ears. And so we're going. i've got that's where we're I'm not a bluey follower. I mean, I respect it from what I've heard, but I'm looking at it now. That's a good look, mate, if you can pull that one off. I mean, I don't think I'm going to look nearly as cool, but
00:24:38
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as that cartoon dog, but we're gonna try our best. We're trying our best to not just be, it started out as just a t-shirt, and now it's like, all right, how do we do this well, but nothing against furries, but not go full furry walking around outside, so yeah. Ah, you'll do it. You'll do fine. You'll do fine. Good fun, man. Good fun. Yeah, I'm kinda jealous. Well, I'm kinda jealous,
00:25:04
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it's going to be a lonely night for us tonight. I'll go into that in a second. um Yeah, so um what have I been doing since we last spoke?
Lucy's Travels and Celebrations
00:25:16
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Since we last spoke, there have been a few things going on, mainly trying to um get all my chores, ah me high priority chores done around the house, trying to get work sewn up as best I can. Because of course, tomorrow we're flying out for a week away in the Canary Islands. We're gonna take you a week off. That sounds horrible. Yeah, ah we got we just got a you know we've just got a cheap flight um to get some winter sun and we don't have to go. And I i know I'm repeating myself as I said before, but with the kids,
00:25:55
Speaker
no longer living at home. we don't know we're not We're not beholden to term times or anything like that. So we can go when the kids are still at school and it's relatively quiet and low key. And, ah you know, it's just basically... ah basically a week of sitting by the pool and eating great food and drinking great cocktails. and its It doesn't get any more technical than that. So we've got that coming up. um So really, has it has been all hands to the pump to try and get as much as I possibly can done.
00:26:26
Speaker
um in the aftermath of of of last week's launch at work. so um And I'm pretty much there. I've got away with it, certainly for at least a week. um So that's been you are on top of that.
00:26:39
Speaker
Are you a panic downloader to before you want to go somewhere like I am, where it's like, you go away for a week and you're like, I need six months worth of downloads of books and movies and podcasts. Absolutely, dude. Absolutely. i see i Absolutely. There's a whole there's a there is a not a there is a reason why I bought this gigantic phone and it is it is It isn't just for business productivity. In fact, business productivity, my ass. It's for it's for watching um which is' for watching um ah films in a de with a decent sized screen at a decent ratio and a decent resolution. So yeah, now I have downloaded everything. Everything that I've promised to you is on my list. Am I going to get through it? Probably not, because I did want to fall asleep at some point in the sun and get burnt. um But um yeah, everything that's in my future watch watching list
00:27:28
Speaker
my ever increasing future watching list is is is on this is on this phone. So yeah, I'm hoping to get through a few things. So what else so so getting ready for going away is one thing. We do have to We are recording a little bit earlier than we normally do because we've got to leave at two in the morning, our our airline. we bought ah We got the flights um six, eight months ago, something like that. And they were really convenient, mid-morning flights. Oh, that's going to be nice. We'll arrive early afternoon. um Actually, it's a little bit longer than that because it's North Africa. so it's it's
00:28:06
Speaker
mid-afternoon nice and we can settle in we can settle in anyway the the airline got bumped and we're now flying at five in the morning so we've now got to leave at three to get to the airport two hours prior to when we fly which is a pain in the butt but you know early night tonight which is the reason why we're were we're recording early and um just get there and then when we get there it's just relax and rinse and repeat for seven days. um And the reason why we're recording a day later than we normally record, albeit we were a little bit late last week as well, um is because Lucy celebrated her birthday yesterday.
00:28:46
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so um Yeah, and yay and then that was really, really nice because I'll be honest with you with I think both of us pretty much forgot it was her birthday because we're all we're we're so fired up towards the trip that we'd forgotten to do anything so we had um It was really nice actually. We had Lucy's folks come over and we took them to a local Italian. Ed, if you're listening, it's the same Italian I took you i took to a couple of weeks prior because quite frankly, there are a stone you know there a two-minute walks from where we live and it's good food and ah we were in the mood to to travel.
00:29:23
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um And we had a ruin and and the kids of the kids came back for Lucy's birthday as well, which was nice. um They came back and also to kind of ah wish us well for the holiday. um And it was lovely. It was really, really nice. Relatively low key, ah but we were able to celebrate in style. And um after a couple of um after a couple ah bottles of fizz, gradually reclined back into bed with a a Full stomach and a heavy head of booze. So it's nice really really nice What else has been going on ah got a got I wouldn't say an emergency call, but I got a call on um Sunday from Chris are from the scruffies um Saying it's gonna be
00:30:10
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It's going to be a quiet night tonight. It's just me and Jimmy. do Could you come on?" And I said, yeah, and no problem at all. And what I thought was going to be a relatively low key evening, I really, really enjoyed myself. And we um we tried to give it a... yeah So I spoke to, ah as I said, I was on the Scruffy Looking Podcasts on Sunday evening.
00:30:29
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ah now available at your podcatcher of choice um from your podcatcher of choice. And we just chewed the fat and um we caught up as we always do on on stuff that we've been up to. um But we also had a bit of a Halloween slant to the whole thing. So um ah we kind of talked about what we liked about Halloween, what our favorite candy was, what our favorite movies are, and how we like to spend Halloween, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, all good, all good. And it was a lot of fun. And it like I said, I expected it to be quite mellow, but it ended up being quite raucous and lasting for over two, or for nearly two hours. So yeah, it was a really good time. I give it two thumbs up. It was it was a good episode. It was a lot sound like a was lot of fun. Yeah, it was it was it was funny. It was really, really funny. And it's quite interesting.
00:31:19
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It's quite interesting the dynamic of the of the podcast when there's fewer hosts, do you know what I mean? When there's fewer hosts, it kind of that the the that the direction of the conversation goes a certain way. Whereas when there's more more hosts there, they the direction is pretty much, you know I was about to say formulate, but I could never call it formulate. But but there's a lot there's a lot to get in, if you know what I mean? There's a lot of yeah people that more structure that they need to have a voice. There's a little bit of structure behind it. So no, I really, really enjoyed it. and it was
00:31:53
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it was a It was a right laugh to catch up with both of them. They're both on really, really good form, as you'd expect. um So yeah, that's been my week, which um probably sounds a little bit busier than I expected, actually. But yeah, it's it's been it's been a good one. It's going to be bit a good one. I can't believe it's been a week since you and I last spoke because it it seems to have shot by.
00:32:13
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Yeah, I agree as well. um So one one piece of thing about the canary ah your Canary Island trip, but when you were in the middle of talking about that, because I knew you were going on vacation, but I never knew
Canary Islands and Marvel Excitement
00:32:22
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where. And so when you said Canary Islands, I'm like, oh, i i I've heard that Canary Islands before. But I'm like, if you're if you're a moron like me who has friends who travel to Canary Islands, you may wonder to yourself, where the hell are the Canary Islands? And I thought, then I looked it up and I went, man, if somebody would have said for a million dollars, point to the Canary Islands on a map, I would have I don't think I would have been in the right hemisphere. So for those who don't know, it's about 60 miles west of Morocco, on the yeah the northern and northern horn of Africa. So yeah yeah, I learned something. I learned something today. It's um Canary Islands, Tenerife, Gran Canaria, and others as well. I can't remember at this moment in time. They're all they're all old colony islands that ah that ah the that are still part of Spain.
00:33:10
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um and um they're a good place to go in the middle of winter that's only a four-hour flight and you're pretty much guaranteed some warmth. Whether you get sun or not is another thing but it will be warm which will be nice and that's the reason why we're going and like I said it's going to be quiet as well which is great. There's a few places there, I don't know if you remember me saying this, when we had the episode with Turbo There's an old filming location there that i that I want to go back to just for shits and giggles. I want to go back and it's a place called Sioux City, as in the Sioux tribe. It's Sioux City and it's it's basically an old abandoned
00:33:56
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um
00:33:59
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filming location for westerns that were filmed in Europe back in the 60s and 70s that has been taken on by a ah ah family actually um and they turn it into a western experience.
00:34:15
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And it's brilliant. It's absolutely brilliant and it is it's you know, it is it is it as grand as perhaps you could see Stateside maybe not but it's just it's just a good day out and if it gets cloudy That's definitely where I'll be going because it's good fun. It's really really good fun And yeah, we'll just we'll just see how it goes. We'll just see how it goes. Like I said, there's no agenda. There's nothing nothing more um that we wanna do, then just relax and hope for a little bit of sun while we're out there. So all good, man. All good. Looking forward to it. What about news this week, mate? I've only picked, it I must admit, head down, I have not picked up on a anything this week. um that Sorry, that's that's a complete lie. There's two things I've picked up on, but compared to the usual research I try and do, in it's very sparse.
00:35:11
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um So for me, it's I wouldn't say it's necessarily news. I was gonna say like I think the benefit of somebody being somebody who doesn't maybe stay on the pulse of release schedules, especially for non-Star Wars stuff, so like eventually when it comes and like smacks you in the face, like it's like you can kind of just be excited all over again, even though I've probably already knew some of this, but it was presented to me as news yesterday when I was like, wow, wow, look at all that. So I'll talk about
00:35:44
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I watched the finale of Agatha ah last night, but and the for it before it aired, that like this isn't probably isn't news, so people were like, yeah, we knew we knew this. um They had like this kind of like, Trailer role like a teaser role trailer role of like a bunch of the Marvel upcoming TV series animation stuff and some like a movie like a light movie thing and it was kind of it was like I ah We all know the kind of state of Marvel right now. and We're all kind of like Not super excited like we were back in the day, but it's kind of like yeah, I
00:36:22
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Like i for me personally, i feel like I feel like I'm kind of like feeling hungry for it again a little bit. Like yeah the Deadpool Wolverine was kind of like, all right, I kind of like this and like watching Loki then watching Agatha. It's like, all right, I think I'm getting... getting into, like, the vibe again of, like, I could go back to some Marvel. So they aired trailers for, not full trailers, but these were kind of like teasers for What If Season 3, which is coming in this December, 22nd, the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Spider-Man, I put Spidey on my notes, but Spider-Man.
00:36:59
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um an animated series like it kind of kind of like the turtles one where like they took that animation style from the movie and we're like we can't afford to do that but we can do it in a cheaper version yeah yeah so it looks like the same kind of thing from like the spider-man movies the animated ones that's coming in January right of us yeah okay that's coming in January as a TV series Daredevil is coming in March as the Disney Plus series. Ironheart is coming as a Disney Plus series in June. Then there then this is like where I just kind of like, where I kind of threw my hands up like, what is what is all this? yeah It's not news. I'm just an idiot. Eyes of Wakanda animated series coming in August. Didn't know about that.
00:37:45
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Didn't know about that. Marvel Zombies. I feel like I knew about this animated series. Is that the spin-off of the first season of What If? I think so. Yeah, it looked like they kept showing Captain America with his jaw hanging like, rah! Wicked. Brilliant. Good. Because that needs its own thing. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. That's coming in October of next year. And then... a show I apparently that's been in production for like four years but the pandemic and there are the writers striking all stuff Wonder Man never even heard of it come in December next year as a TV series or a show or movie I don't know I just was like what is it what the hell is this and they just kind of bam bam bam bam bam bam bam it's like yeah you know what I know I know that to your point Marvel may not
00:38:36
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maybe looking to get back to its former glory, which is going to be tough, but I think they'll do it. know I've i've got goods ah got really good feels about, we talked about Fantastic Four, got really good feels about um
00:38:55
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Doctor, what's it called? Doomsday. Doomsday? um Avengers Doomsday? Doctor Doom? Yeah, the yeah. That that that that that that stuff. um Despite the Robert Downey casting, throwing throwing me right out of kilter. But ah i' got I've got a good feeling that they know what they're doing, that they've got a plan to get back to where they are. This kind of stuff, in the meantime though, is so important.
00:39:24
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And I think it's really, really good. And it's it kind of goes to show. Really, I guess. Just how. Lost, I feel. Star Wars at the moment. Well, I did. I feel like it's I feel like they're writing. This is me being typical. Just I'm just shilling, shilling all day for it. It's like I I kind of I. like So let me stop for a second. Collect my thoughts. Reverse. Here we go.
00:39:54
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You sent that article that I thought was really good and I was going to mention later, but I'm mentioning it now, about the writer of The Watchmen talking about
Fandom Impact and Storytelling Comparisons
00:40:03
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fandom. Alan Moore talking about fandom. I think that i thought that article was fantastic. Yeah, he's a good guy. if you I'll put it in the show notes if you want to read it. It's great. I think it's i think it's it hit some really good points about fandom and fandom culture.
00:40:19
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Then I sent it to Madison. She sent me an article in response talking about, it's somebody talking about the the retrospective look at like what we consider nostalgia. And like, I think that ties pretty heavily into fandom. Oh, wow. In some of where some things are. i I'll have a quote from that later for the end of the podcast. But I think a lot of that ties into kind of, I will arguably say I am much closer to Star ah star Wars is like my fandom.
00:40:47
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like Okay, that is the one I'm like, if no more of that came, I would be upset. If nothing else came, I would move on. baby be like That's kind of where that's where I live. And so it's it's definitely harder the Star Wars news definitely hits harder, but I think I try to spend more and more time like looking at reading some of these articles and kind of taking that perspective of like like, I know a lot of our friends were really upset about the news that came out about the writer, who like the screenwriter who was like, let go and the yada, yada, yada.
00:41:16
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kind of did a bunch of research and like, is this normal? Is this not normal? It's like, oh, this is like totally normal. but oh totally nor yeah yeah Like for like the majority things of things, but air everybody's taking it as like a dig. It's like, maybe I'm too connected. Like it's not, I don't really see it as negative anymore. It's like, oh, it's normal. Like it's not a big deal. This happens all the time. That's part of the draft writing process and the creative process. They still got paid and they did their job and they're like, we're not going to move forward with this, but we have this draft. We're going to get some new screenwriters in to continue to perfect the story, get lots of different opinions, yada, yada, yada. This is how things get written.
00:41:46
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Like, yeah, if you have one person write a story like, wow, this is the greatest thing ever written. Let's go. It's usually not very good. It's kind of get quite rare as well, because the idea being is that you go through some sort of. and You go through some sort of filtration process. Yeah. Does that make sense? It's an iterative kind of filtration process. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like um it it finds the the the problems and yada yada yada. But it's all kind of this larger thing of like what have what has fandom become? What do we what are the mistakes of looking at nostalgia? And I think Star Wars is kind of I think Marvel is ahead of Star Wars in this like what I'm calling like the recovery period. Yeah. Where they've had their they they haven't had as many of the bumps and bruises as maybe what Star Wars is going through. But I think he's got
00:42:35
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Do you think they've got an advantage in that there's a such a broad palette within the Marvel Universe? I mean, it's not ideal. It's not focused on it's not focused on, you know, they can div diversify. I mean, one of the one of the yeah one of the um one of the surprises that came out of the original Ramper was the introduction of the Guardians, for example, lesser known, lesser known superheroes that ended up becoming much loved. And I think that that and I think that that is to their advantage in that they've got so much, they've got such a broad spectrum of of
00:43:13
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Sorry, let me start again. They've got such a massive sandbox to mess about with. if they If they screw it around, if they screw it up, they can move on to another corner. Whereas with Star Wars, you know there is this cannon,
00:43:29
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the Skywalker saga. Do you know what? What you said secondly, yeah, that's exactly it. were where we've We've backed ourselves in a corner in that we've kind of,
00:43:42
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we are beholden to this star this Skywalker lineage and this Skywalker story. And we have stories going on that are adjacent to it, but ultimately it's still within that. And the foot you know first attempt that they made try and to try and break outside of that, it it didn't go so well. but But yeah, I mean, I'd like to think that there is enough there is enough of a
00:44:11
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There's enough of ambition left within Lucasfilm to be able to increase the size of the sandbox and then start playing around in it like again. but i think yeah I agree with you 100% and I think where where I'm kind of trying to like look at what Marvel's doing and be like,
00:44:29
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Because and as much as we want to like think they're two different endings, it's all kind of being controlled and done through similar lenses. It's like, oh, you can see Marvel taking the chance like they're still doing stuff I hate where they're like, here's the movies that are coming for the next 45 years. But I think what they're also doing well is that they're giving it room to breathe. They're not, they're not trying to remake the feeling and nostalgia of the first. No. The first, whatever you want to call it, like the excitement of the first ramp up of Marvel. They're like, we have to give it time. Let's, let's continue to feed these stories, feed like, keep it in the zeitgeist, keep it going and prepare and work on this stuff in the future. they're They're obviously working on it, but it's like, we can't have that lightning in a bottle again every two years.
00:45:15
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And I'm hoping, like we talked about this a million times, I'm like, I'm hoping that's what Star Wars is doing as well, where it's like, okay, yeah, we're gonna take, we're gonna knock some stuff off the the docket that maybe wasn't fully baked, but we are giving it time, giving it room to breathe, and we're gonna, the stuff we are gonna release is gonna be fantastic. And they're also they're also not afraid to take some chances and to, and for it not to be, I mean, if you think about the the tones, the tones of of all of the films that,
00:45:43
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that led up to Endgame, for example. They're all pretty, I mean, you've got a lot that are lot more light-hearted and comedic, like Ragnarok. You've got some that are a little bit more serious, like Dark World.
00:45:58
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um but but But they are so traditional superhero stories. Then they introduce something like, I mean, one of the things I'm most excited about is is is is this whole Jetsons-esque type of future yeah past that we're going to see in in Fantastic Four, for example. I love that.
00:46:16
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if it If it works, fantastic. If it doesn't work, no problem. At least you've stood by your convictions and and and and tried to do something a little bit different. you know Agatha all along, the fact that they're trying to, and WandaVision, the fact that they're trying to do something a little bit different that will appeal to a different demographic, um but hopefully it can appeal to to to everyone because it's still within that that broad and diverse universe, I said. I love that they're They're not in any way dissuaded by a few hiccups along the way. I love that. I love that, yeah about that.
00:46:54
Speaker
And I'm hoping, it makes me hopeful, like as much as I want a big Star Wars release right now, it's like, I hate to say it, like but it's like, I kinda wanna not get what I want for a little bit. And so then I end i know I will be more excited when it when it does come and it's better. Like I am very excited for this Ray movie. I want it, like I don't think it's gonna go, it's I feel like it's too big now. Like it's it's been too- I think, I think, um I think they've got I think they've got a holding pattern in the Grogu movie in the Mando and Groving but that that's kind of like the this is business as usual we know what we're doing here you know we can we can for we pretty much know what we're doing here I think the Ray movie coming in if that doesn't go ahead I don't know what to think about the future to be honest with you if that doesn't go ahead because that's big enough for it to be
00:47:52
Speaker
frit if it If it's mismanaged from a PR point of view and the behind the scenes information's coming out, if it's mismanaged, it could be it could be, unfortunately, the death knoll for the franchise, certainly for a while. Well, I think that's the thing. I'm not saying this as like an angry laser-eyed YouTuber like saying, like, go, do Disney's gonna lose all their money. I think it's more like, I think there has been a conversation where they're like,
00:48:21
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Hey, I know that sometimes we we just kind of get it across the finish line, but there is I think there's going to be a lot of pressure put on this one to say like we can't not let that this one has to go through and it has to be done well. Yeah, a not for a sake of money or anything like that. They're like this. Maybe some retrospectives have happened of like, hey, here's where here's the mistakes it made and some some things that were out of our control, things that were in our control.
00:48:46
Speaker
this needs to be the jumping point for the next phase my yeah of these things. And they're going to they're going to put the money into it to to make it happen. And honestly, like the changing of the screenwriter is kind of actually I hate to say it, but it's almost a good thing because it's like, OK, they're still.
00:49:06
Speaker
It's still moving. That means they're gonna get a new screen reader. They're gonna keep tracking it. Yeah, no, absolutely. Invest in the plan, you know? Invest in the plan, then think about execution. No, I'm with you. We've seen what happens when there's no plan. So yeah, invest in the plan. Spend some decent money on it. And make my friend an MMO, damn it. That's what we need. And make me an MMO, please.
00:49:35
Speaker
Anything else in NewsBuddy? um that's all That's all I got from News. Yeah. Well, funny you should say about Spider-Man. I've forgotten the publication because I'm not a very good podcaster, but some behind the scenes um images of Nicholas Cage in Spider-Man Noir. Nice. And again, that's one of those parallel, obscure things that I'm actually looking forward to. I'm really, really looking forward to that. um Yeah.
00:50:05
Speaker
Spider-Man Noir was something that I didn't even know existed until the um into the Spider-Verse. I had no idea it was even a ah parallel, you know some of them I knew, Spider-Pig, Spider-Gwen. I had no idea that Noir existed, so it was it was a pleasant surprise when I saw it come through, especially there.
00:50:28
Speaker
the cheesy, you know, Marlowe kind of overacting that was going on. um Philip Marlowe kind of acting that was going on, um on the screen, it was great. And so to have a live action with Nicolas Cage in it, really looking forward to that. um And then secondly,
00:50:46
Speaker
um They released the Severance Season 2 trailer for Apple TV. I haven't watched it. I need to. I need to. No, no, no. yeah no right There's no rush, man. It's not going anywhere. And it's not coming out, I don't think, until the yeah until the until December anyway. But it looks really good. It looks really, really good. It kind of picks up where it left off, albeit... um it it's It's somewhat chaotic. um Some new faces. I won't going into but go into any more detail, but the fact that we've got a trailer for season two is awesome. and Question about the noir stuff. do were they I saw a picture for like a second and then I was like, neat, and then I carried on my merry way.
00:51:29
Speaker
are they production behind the scenes kind of production ones but they're black and white or is it okay so it's not like because i keep wondering in my head i'm like is it going to be more like frank millerson city style where it's like oh that's they take that noir then they kind of like amp it up and turn almost make it comic bookie a little bit like with high contrast like two or three colors or is that going to be like the look where it's just The black and white. I don't know, mate. I don't know. And I've got a feeling the black and white photographs were actually done. After fact. As a mood, you know, as a mood cleanser, if you like, or as a power cleanser for what might be something. Or their costumes are just not meant to be seen in color at all. Like they're just completely bananas. I don't know. I don't know. So I'll be honest with you. I don't know, mate. But good God, that's a good idea. I hope it's... I hope it's like in the middle. Like I hope it's like not full. Like, yeah, like just really back to the smidge like 75% 75% for my Spider-Man noir Boba, please. And that will be Yeah, because it worked. It worked most of the time in the in it worked most of the time in the first film. But what was the sequel called? Is it Dave Dave to kill for?
00:52:48
Speaker
um Sim City 2. Yeah, that um that one was weird. ah just That didn't work as well for me. And I'm not just talking about the story, I'm so also talking about they um the visual effects. The visual effects, yes. The art production didn't didn't perhaps Lamb as well as the first film did, but either you know i love I love it anyway. but And also, so the other question was, do you know anything about the story? You don't have to say like, yes, here's what happens, um but like- I don't know, yeah I have no idea. Me either. I didn't know it existed before Into the Spider-Verse, and I'll be honest with you, life gets in the way, and I've never even looked it up since. And so when I saw these photographs, literally Monday, Tuesday this week, I thought, oh, that's cool. I really should look into it at some point, but I didn't, of course. we've just
00:53:38
Speaker
I just. I'm hoping that it's like. That it's like ah a cheesy Gotham by Gaslight like I hope it kind of has the same like yeah we just lean a million percent into whatever cheesy narrative we're going with it's like oh it's like in like in the Spider-Man movie where it's like oh it's the.
00:53:56
Speaker
ah vulture, but it's like, oh, it's like, Da Vinci, blah, blah, blah things. It's like, I hope it's whatever the equivalent of NARS, like, noir would be like a stereotypical mobster or something. Exactly. I could be completely wrong. But I've got thoughts of Nicolas Cage in a gruff voice doing like ah a narration all the way through the all the way through the film, you know.
00:54:22
Speaker
um I'd seen his kind before. I didn't trust that guy. So I went out and spun some webs and I don't know, whatever it is. Like, I don't I'm not a king of like Spider-Man, but I hope.
00:54:35
Speaker
Yeah, I hope it's hammerhead. Like, so you get like that real big, flathead, like, hey, I'm a head. And it's like, just, I don't know, whatever that time, just lean into, not the stereotypes, that's like the wrong word, but you know what I'm saying? Like the time, like stereotypical noir film. The super exaggerate, bit like the Dick Tracy villains. Yes, exactly. Where they where they're over exaggerated. I know exactly what you mean. Hey, listen, I'm i'm i'm all for it. Again, a little bit of variety.
00:55:06
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within the same universe. um But yeah it's yeah, I'm up for anything like that. Really, really good. but it More so these days than perhaps the norm. So that's what I picked up in the news.
00:55:20
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um What about your consumption this week, buddy? Have you had a chance? Have you had time? I have. I've had um've had a some time. Yeah, I've had some time. i I caught three episodes of Agatha last night, including the series finale. See, I assume it's a series finale. I don't know. Season, series finale. not That's not a spoiler. theres It is what it is.
00:55:46
Speaker
the I enjoyed that show. I did. I really enjoyed it. It's different. It looks like what you've been talking about. It's it's so different. like It ended not where it started.
00:55:56
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um um I'm trying to keep it... like like it's not Is it revolutionary? No. Did I thoroughly enjoy the entire show and was it very entertaining? Absolutely.
00:56:10
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um Did it lean into the witchy witchiness of it, the whole thing, and give me the, ah was it fun around the hall the Halloween time? 100%. Excellent. yeah Was the acting the best at all times? No. Did that make it better? Yes. Excellent. But were there times where the acting was phenomenal?
00:56:34
Speaker
Yes, therere ah there were parts of it where it's it was it was good about the like, I'm a campy camp story, and then step back and be real, like yeah real as a Marvel weekend, and the acting.
00:56:52
Speaker
would change and it's like, oh, I love it. I love the variety and just the unpredictability of it. And then just in typical Marvel fashion, just a little bit of like bananas thrown at you and be like, you thought you knew, you don't, congratulations, yeehaw, here we go, wrapping it up. Nice. um So yeah, it's, I will say watching WandaVision still helps a lot. It's not required, like it's not 100% required viewing. Like you could just get the gist of like,
00:57:23
Speaker
Two or three things that happened, just so you know what happens, like where things are at, excuse me, where things are at when it starts, but like, I don't know, I think WandaVision's still good to watch ahead of time. But if people are like, don't got time, um just like look up a summary of WandaVision before you watch Agatha. I thought it was a good time. It was a really, really fun. um And I look forward to seeing what,
00:57:47
Speaker
how that kind of like lane, like swim lane of the Marvel universe kind of continues to evolve. Cause it does seem to be kind of like, like what's that game where you're like the ball and you pick up all the trash and you get bigger as you ball? Like it kind of feels like that's what this is. It's like, there's a ball rolling. It's kind of like WandaVision, Agatha. Like there's all this stuff that's kind of mushed together. That's all kind of, let's see where this thing goes and what all it runs into.
00:58:15
Speaker
It was a good time. I had a blast. I look forward to you catching it at some point in time.
Horror Movies and Seasonal Debates
00:58:20
Speaker
Well, I do have a very small update when it comes to me telling you what's going on, which I hopefully will give you a little bit of confidence that I'm making my way. Cool. That was the update you're making your way. No, no, okay. I can continue going. I only have two other things. I watched, I kind of like fast watched Venom 3.
00:58:46
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah. ah to What It's not bad, but what those movies, i love I love the confidence that those movies have. like i wish I wish I as an individual had the confidence of the team that puts together a Venom movie. like Not the first one, the first one I think was like genuinely good. like It knew what it was, but then the second and third one are just like,
00:59:14
Speaker
Not in a bad way, just a like, here here it is, like serving up some food. It's like, I made this. It's like, you made that? It's like, I did. You should eat it. Like, setting that same same tone. And then you're like, but okay, he's confident. Like, here we go. Watch it. It is, is it's a Venom movie. It's Venom 3. Okay. it And it wraps it wraps up the trilogy, right? It is a trilogy.
00:59:41
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ah
00:59:45
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Yeah, matt um maybe, yes. Like that, the arc. The arc, the arc is, air quotes, done. um I think it is in a place where it could be like taken and done differently in different ways, whether different universes, different people, different this.
01:00:09
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like That's the reason why I was asking, did you see Spider-Man 3? No Way Home. I did. and it at garfield and those was of These movies are very connected to that. that that yeah those Because wasn there was wasn't there as little little drop or a little spooge of venom that was left in the I don't like the term of a spoo, a spooge of venom, but yes, uh, the, the, that, that cut scene is deeply connected to like just all venom three and cut scenes. Okay. And then there's, then there's like cut scenes at the end of the movie that are like, like, Sony, what, what are we doing? Like?
01:00:54
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come, what? So ah yes, it wraps up, like it buttons up, it wraps the the the trilogy up in a nice little box and says, here, but there may be more gifts coming yeah in the future. Which may or may not cross over to the MCU. I don't think, okay, here's a better way of phrasing it. I don't think they know. I think that's where they left it.
01:01:20
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okay I wonder how is there a finite is there a finite little bit like the Hulk? Is there a finite time that spider that Sony have left with? I think they have to create keep creating them or they lose. right that's That's the understanding I have. OK.
01:01:40
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Yeah, okay. Well, I'll check it out. I will check it out when it's when it's readily available. Take your time. Okay. I will definitely, come on, we're positive. I will hurt i will check it out. You said you had something else you've watched as well. I watched Penguin, the latest episode of Penguin. um Still a fantastic show.
01:02:01
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it is and we're We're getting close to wrapping up the season. it's The like. Things are things are tense, it's a tense show.
01:02:15
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um
01:02:17
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It's like we had, you know, when you watch a show, it it's like, oh, you have the beginning. And then you have like the really deeply personal episodes. It's like, this is fantastic television. And then it kind of goes into like, now we're going to put it into action and you have your climax. And then it like wraps up. I feel like we're in that, like putting it into action stuff. It's like, man, I really, will like it's not a bad show. That's all what I'm saying. But it's like, I really miss those like deeply connected episodes. Those were like the steak and the potatoes and the glass of wine.
01:02:45
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Like just all of it's perfect. o More of that please. um But no, now we're in that like, now we have the backstory and now things are nuts or about to work. Yeah, we're ramping. So it's like, well, I long for the the deeper story again.
01:03:06
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That's not how things work. And so now we've gotta like ramp it up. but' still It's still a fantastic show. they The actors in this show are...
01:03:20
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top tier, the acting is phenomenal. They're gonna win some awards for this. They have to. And it's not just Colin Farrell. It's easy to look back and go, Colin Farrell wore the makeup all the time and whatever, whatever. It's like, dude, the acting is still fantastic. The acting from everybody else is... Usually when somebody has a stutter, an actor has a stutter in a film, they learn how to stutter and they're faking it.
01:03:49
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as somebody who knows people with stutters, like there's an actor in this movie show who has a stutter. I'm like, I don't know, this might be real. yeah Like they might they might have hired an actor who has a real stutter. And like, I wonder what that was like to work with. Like that's how good certain things are when they're filming. Oh, it's just it's really good. That's what I watched. Yeah. Nice. Nice, nice. So I have been a little bit busy this week while we're trying to organize ourselves and get out the door.
01:04:16
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Um, I haven't also, I also have played zero outlaws since last time I saw you. So when I said to you last week, I think I've come to the end of the road. I'm not that bothered about mopping everything up. I'm not that much of a completionist. I think that's, I was telling myself that as well as telling you that, and um,
01:04:42
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I am. Looking forward to November when the DLC lands, because it's it certainly hasn't come out of my Xbox yet, so it's it's still it's still in the tray. so um ah But what it's done, of course, is I'm not spending four hours a night on that game anymore. So it has given me an opportunity to get back into get back into ah catching up on a few things. Drinking season two is still a big part of our weekly viewing. Great, absolutely fantastic. Still, I'm looking forward to catching up on that. Lucy and I binged.
01:05:13
Speaker
WandaVision. Oh, look at us go. So I want to be ready for taking... um I've got both the penguin and I've got um Agatha all along on on on on my Gigantis. That sounds wrong. My phone. Your Galactus.
01:05:36
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my Galactus and yeah so I wanted to be prepared so I thought at the very least I can try Wandavision which is actually a short ah shorter season than I actually thought it was it was actually um and very very good very very good actually again totally different take totally different take it's like more of that please more of that please you know sprinkle that in between your normal your normal um uh cookie cutter superhero movies and you've got a really really good blend anyway um so yeah watch that um shrinking season two everything else is pretty much on hold a apart from
01:06:23
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Lucy was, I came in from work the other day. i was out I was out here in the shed doing some work and I didn't finish until gone eight, nine o'clock at night. And I walked in and Lucy was was was at home and sorry, of course she's at home. She was she was too watching TV and she was watching something that she just stuck on in the background because she didn't want to switch on our programs. And it's a program called Nautilus. And it's basically a a prequel to the 2000 leagues under the sea story, the the famous, yeah, the famous HTML story. And it was it was um it it it's really, really good. It's really, really good. so
01:07:02
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She said, well, I've only just started. you Should we start from the scratch? it's like yeah Yeah, I'll cook us some supper. And we sat down and started watching it. We burned through the whole series. And it's on Prime in the UK. But I've got a feeling at the moment, it's still only available on Prime in the UK. Let me explain why. So it's a mot it's a it's a British production. And as I said, it's called Nautilus.
01:07:25
Speaker
And it tells the story as to how Nemo, Captain Nemo became Captain Nemo and um became the captain of the famous Nautilus ship prior to him um being the legendary character that we know in, um in it was Jules Verne, not H.G. Wells. It's Jules Verne, isn't it? Sorry, it's not, I'm sure it's Jules Verne.
01:07:53
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yeah it's ju It's Jules Verne. Yeah, that's what I thought. um yeah Yeah. Prior to disturb that that that story. And um apparently it was originally commissioned by Disney. So it was commissioned by Disney. It was produced by Disney. It was um ah ready to go. Probably a little bit of post-production hadn't been done yet. And they canned it.
01:08:22
Speaker
And they actually canned it. It was part of that $3 billion write-off they had. Was it last year or the year before? Yeah, just going through the stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so Allison jumped in and said, I'll take that. Thanks. I'll take it. And I've got a feeling it, I've got a feeling that you guys are going to get it at some point on AMC. I could be ah could be completely wrong. i was trying I was trying to find out as much information as I possibly could. And I've got a feeling at the moment in terms of Amazon, it's only available in the UK. But if you do get it in your country, I do recommend it. The first three the first three episodes are a little bit stage show and predictable, little bit predictable, um and a little bit
01:09:11
Speaker
And I wasn't sure, but as the series, season, sorry, um but and I hope it is a season and they have more, um as it progressed, it got infinitely better, more and more better as the the plight of the crew of the Nautilus became more and more, more and more acute. It was really, really, really good. And I've really, really enjoyed it. And someone that is, um enjoys the occasional
01:09:40
Speaker
no-brain adventure, swashbuckle adventure. It's been really, really good. So I hope you get it. I hope you get it. Now we just need somebody to buy the Dark Crystal show. Finish that, see that one through. God, that was beautiful. That was such a beautifully done show.
01:10:05
Speaker
you know I'm not going to defend everything that's come out. over recent years because some of it has been literally trying too hard to pull on the nostalgia strings and it's fallen for me quite flat. It's like if that's all you've got is a bit of nostalgia then maybe maybe that was a bad take on your part.
01:10:29
Speaker
But the Dark Crystal one, I really, really enjoyed it. Really, really enjoyed it. And it actually, I could argue, is actually better than the film. And I love the Dark Crystal. But but the but the whole lore around it was just built on by that prequel. And I loved it. Absolutely loved it. I'm guessing it was very, very expensive to produce, which it would be.
01:10:53
Speaker
um Come on, Amazon, buy it. um Pump that money into it like you're doing with do it rings up that rings of power. They did it with the expanse. They did it with the expanse. that was that was I think that was originally on Netflix. Sci-fi, wasn't it? You're right. Yeah, it was sci-fi and they killed it after two seasons or three seasons.
01:11:14
Speaker
and um You could tell when the budget flipped, and it's like, whoa. He's like a lot better. Amazon parachuted it. I don't know. that first This first two seasons, I loved the bits. Oh, no. I love the whole show. But it's just you just you can tell when it goes woo-hoo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um That first one, though, when the... I can't remember what it's called, the blue the blue the blue blight or whatever it is that that is...
01:11:39
Speaker
the material, you know the engineering material. um And the guy that played the detective on Mars that was um investigating the deaths or the did the disappearance. um I love that storyline. But yes, as as it progressed and everything, it got it got even bigger and better. and Because they wanted to see they wanted' to see the the novels through. they wanted They actually had every intention to see the books through. And I thought that was really, really sterling effort on um on Amazon's part, so yeah, did do more of that please. ah What was the other what the other series that I used to really like as well? um Carbon. Oh, goodness me. I'll come back to it. I'll come back to it. There's another there's another one.
01:12:26
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um
01:12:29
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ah Doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Anyway, there there are these occasional little gems that Amazon have come in and saved. Yeah, and that's that's been it for this week, mate, in terms of watching and listening and consuming in general. I can't hang around too long because, as I said, we've got to fly in and literally a few hours. I'm going to try and get some kipping. But there are a couple of questions. Because we are in we are in the season,
01:12:55
Speaker
that the the we are at the witching hour, we are in the season, and i'm not going to and I'm not able to enjoy Halloween this evening, because I need to be tucked up and with my cocoa, getting some- No pumpkin in the window for you. The pumpkin is not there. No pumpkin in the window for me tonight. No, sir. um I was going to ask you two questions.
01:13:15
Speaker
And i would I would give you my responses to these same questions as well. If you were to think about the really, really broad repertoire of of stuff you like and the films that you enjoy for various reasons, what would you say was your favorite Halloween inspired or horror-esque film of all time?
01:13:44
Speaker
And why? I was going to think about I started to think about that when you when you kind of mentioned it earlier. and I was like, I'm going to think about that during the pod. Didn't think about it. um Think about it. Obviously, like the when I grew up and like discovering Nightmare Before Christmas was.
01:14:02
Speaker
pretty, pretty impactful for me. This was before like I discovered it as like a VHS tape at my grandma's house. Like before it was kind of like when it was still kind of under the Disney like side side side side hustles before they kind of wrapped it under their umbrella and we're like, Oh, we're we're proud of this now and we're gonna sell a ton of stuff. Like that was like pretty groundbreaking for me. I was like, whoa, what? No pun intended, but what is what is this? um That was pretty cool, just the animation style and the yada, yada, yada. But like obviously it's become a whole different thing over time since then. But that was that was pretty ah pretty impactful.
01:14:43
Speaker
um In terms of horror movies. Well, it doesn't have to be horror. It can be, you know. Well, but yeah, the Halloween style. I mean, i I'm going to give you multiple answers for different things. It's like I grew up in like the the height of like the Disney Channel stuff. So like movies like ah not Hocus Pocus, but like a Halloween town. And some of those others were like, they are the worst. But it was like just there's there's pieces of it that are just very, very, very good. I used to love like not the it's kind of ah a TV show for a while.
01:15:17
Speaker
like way back in the day, like the Nickelodeon, are you afraid of the dark? Like the the goosebumps TV show that went along with the books, not those movies, those are dog water. The books and the TV show were pretty, pretty good. In terms of like horror movies, like obviously I think I was a little young for some of like the classics, but there were ones that just like poltergeist. Watching that at a young age was like, dude, what am I,
01:15:43
Speaker
What am I doing? Like tales from the Crypt Keeper, that scared the shit out of me as a kid. It's like right before going to bed, it's like, why are you up? It's like, I don't know, why am I up? Why am I watching this? This is horrible.
01:15:57
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um There was one other one that just used to just really, oh, more modern. I had a more modern answer too. It's like, it's not even really horror and I know a lot of people love to hate on them, but they are just the ones that I,
01:16:10
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I can't get enough of it. And I'm not a big horror or like gore, gore horror, like thriller kind of movie person in that regard. and But there is something about the paranormal activity movies that I am just like, Oh, no.
01:16:24
Speaker
sign, dude, I hate to love them. Now I'm like, I'm just watching them like, yes, flip everything in the house upside down and just throw like, yes, drag the person out of the bed. Like yeah I want to know how, I think a little bit's the movie magic side of it too. I'm like, how'd they do that? How'd they lift everything up and then drop it? Like they're so, they're, they're so bad, but it's like,
01:16:47
Speaker
No, no no no i'm not set I'm not saying no, I'm saying no, I can't watch that shit. i can't i yeah i do not have It's really strange. I do i have a so strong constitution. We're talking about this at the weekend with the boys. I have a strong constitution when it comes down to aliens ripping the shit out of human beings and leaving body parts sprawling all over um ah the room. But when it comes down to the spiritual and the the kind of... The spooky stuff you hope isn't real when you're home alone by yourself and the light that lights are out? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah i can't I can't do that. I can't do that. It's just...
01:17:34
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It's just- I shouldn't do it. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, no, but good, man. That's good. That's really good. what about oh What about you? Well, you've just reminded me of something actually, reminded me of um Nightmare Before Christmas, which we should debate at some point. Is it a Christmas or a Halloween movie? That was gonna be my movie. It's gonna be, it's a Christmas movie.
01:18:00
Speaker
Well, that was gonna be my question is like, have you seen Nightmare Before Christmas? Is it a Halloween movie or Christmas movie? And why is it a Christmas movie? That's kind of my multi-staged question because so yeah it's a Christmas movie. yeah it's It's definitely a Christmas movie, definitely a Christmas movie. it's um i feel I feel as if this, I love this time of year because it's it's cold, it's bright, it's not touch wood. Typically this is a,
01:18:30
Speaker
not so rainy time in the UK. It's cold, it's bright, the leaves are falling, it's golden brown everywhere, you know, this the russets and the the browns and the golds of the of the oak trees and everything. it's it's It really is a beautiful time of year. It's quieter.
01:18:47
Speaker
not all the tourists around this time of year and it's the start in my mind of the holiday season so here all the way through November all the way up to Christmas it's kind of like these these these two months of of just feeling generally good just feeling generally ah good about about life and everything and then it's you know we get up to January and everything goes to ratchet all over again but the um at the i love this time of year and so if i answered your question truthfully um I would say, Nightmare Before Christmas is something that you can enjoy both in October and in December. But it's just it's ah it's a Christmas movie. It's a Christmas movie.
Autumn Appreciation and Horror Favorites
01:19:35
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It's the Nightmare Before Christmas. 100%. I agree, 100%. That's like saying, if if you don't agree that it's a Christmas movie, that's like saying that
01:19:45
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A Christmas Carol, which features four ghosts, including Molly, includes four ghosts. It's quite scary. is it chris It should be a Halloween movie. The setting alone is before is around the Christmas period. yeah would be and the story sorry and they that The outcome of the film, the tale it tells, or the message it leaves,
01:20:14
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It's a feel-good Christmas movie. Exactly. the The number of arguments that I've gotten into in my lifetime about this is is is insane. And i like I could feel my blood pressure getting up. Even though you're agreeing with me, I'm like, there's people out there who believe that this is a Halloween movie. And I wanna verbally argue with them because it's a Christmas movie. The message is about the meaning of Christmas.
01:20:40
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yeah But it's through the lens of people who only know Halloween. That's what makes it unique. And that's where they that's where their struggle comes from. They only know Halloween, so they only know one thing. But the message, the entire plot of the movie is understanding the meaning of Christmas. Period. yeahp like That is it. It's a Christmas movie. like If anybody disagrees with that, one,
01:21:10
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um i'm good I'll skip one, am I might give you the same one. Two, send me an email. Let's talk about it. I'd love to chat. i won't I won't call you names, I promise. Excellent. It's a Christmas movie. But anyways, what was your second question?
01:21:25
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um I can't remember now. Oh, what what I want something to be a horror thing oh in. No, no, no, let's do that in a second. You just reminded me about something actually.
01:21:39
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And I forgot to talk about the boys about one of my guilty pleasures. I'll tell you my favorite horror story of all time and reasons why in a second. One of my guilty p pleasures that I forgot about on Sunday and you just reminded me when you were talking about Nightmare Before Christmas.
01:21:56
Speaker
Sleepy Hollow. Have you seen Sleepy Hollow, the 1999 production? john Johnny Depp, Christina Ricci, Miranda Richardson, Michael Gambon. It's really, really, really, really good. It's quite funny actually watching... watching Sorry, I don't mean this to in any way um laugh at other people trying to be British. um But it's quite funny watching a lot of folk that aren't British, play British people and some carry it off and some don't so well. um But Christopher Walken and the reason why I like it the most, Christopher Walken is the Headless Horseman.
01:22:48
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Absolutely terrifying. Absolutely terrifying. I mean, imagine having that at your front door. No way. Sorry, i can go back to the question. I can tell you that that movie is not a good one to take a date to when you are in like, what, eighth grade? That's all I remember from it. I'm like, I remember I went with somebody and then about halfway through the movie, we were like, maybe this was a bad, a bad choice. We enjoyed it though. If I remember, I mean, I enjoy it. I don't really know.
01:23:14
Speaker
Whatever, but it's like this was not the best decision that we have made but yeah, I enjoyed it. It's good movie a lot of fog heck of a lot of fog, heck of a lot of fog. So my favorite horror, sorry, my favorite movie to watch at Halloween of all time, horror, spooky Halloween-y. And it's The Thing. And we talked to a little bit about it on Sunday, and it is The Thing. And um because of my the type of genre of films that I like, it was going always going to be a film that involved
01:23:52
Speaker
aliens and not the paranormal. Aliens or a or a monster or ah or something physical as opposed to the paranormal and freaky mind games and stuff, which I just can't deal with. I just can't deal with. And that's the thing, um you know, it is a horror film, but you could also say in the same vein as Alien, it's, sorry, it is a horror film, but in the same vein as Alien, it's also a bit of sci-fi as well, which is right up my alley.
01:24:21
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um So it is the thing and it will always be the thing because it moved from a film that I really really enjoyed to a widely celebrated cult classic for start and the cast the alone is absolutely amazing. I love the cast I mean it's it's it's It's just great. It's just absolutely great. And um we again, we talked a little bit about on Sunday, so I'm not going to spend too much time ah lamenting the same stuff we talked about last, ah but sorry, on Sunday. But, you know, the they the special effects
01:24:58
Speaker
It's a body horror masterpiece. Do they do they hold up? Probably not. But I tell you what, they look a lot more impactful than a lot of recent films that are used that probably have better photo realism. And at the time, at the place, at my state of mind, at the time it's scared them living daylights out of me. The cast, Wilford Brimley, Kurt Russell, Keith David, Richard Mauser,
01:25:28
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I mean, Charles Hallahan, Donald Moffat. It was amazing. Absolutely amazing. Nothing will be more disgusting than like that timeframe of 80s movies.
01:25:43
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like of the special effects they use there. It's like, I don't know what it is about like the weird practical effects they used during that time. Yeah. There's just stuff. It's like, what? That body horror stuff. It's like, oh my God, like you guys like made they made that. It's not even just a special effect on computers. I know somebody like they're like, look what we made. And they're like, that's no thanks. And it was it was um it was um it's always been I always watch it every year. So I'm trying to think of what Lucy would watch.
01:26:13
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Lucy will choose something that but she enjoys at a particular time of year. I'm just not sure, I'll probably incorrectly guess her her Halloween favorite. So I won't bother, I won't even bother trying. The Meg. It's always, yeah, it will be, yeah. Yeah, funny enough, October lands in the in the in the in the two month mid window when I watch it. So let's watch it again. Yeah, let's do that darling. But yeah, um yeah, no, it's, um Yeah, it's always the thing. And it wasn't until a couple of weekends ago, and if you listen to the episode that we had with the Joshua, Joshua, that's us with the um with the scruffies. um I didn't realize I had no idea
01:27:02
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that Carpenter did an awful lot of his own music. And I'm ashamed of that. I really, really am ashamed that I didn't realize that he, I knew he did music, don't get me wrong, I knew he did music. I got the soundtrack to Escape from New York. I knew that he did it, but I didn't realize just how much, pretty much how much of a one man band he was. And Chris was playing an awful lot of his stuff on vinyl.
01:27:26
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while we were up there and all of it never ever got never ever got produced but you you can tell it's him, you can tell it's John Carpenter's music because it's got that kind of tech,
01:27:41
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that the kind of 80s tech beat to the whole thing at that just It's like a breathing and living organism where it just just grows and grows and grows to crescendo. It's great, some great stuff. Anyway, yeah, so so so the reason why I watched it only last week was was A, it's my favorite horror film at the time of year, and B, the guys opened my eyes to perhaps some of the creative genius that that that was John Carpenter beyond what I already knew about the guy.
01:28:19
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So that's that. So the second
Horror Adaptations in Various Universes
01:28:21
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question I've got for you before we wrap up is, I know you to be a man of many tastes, of many likes across the world of pop culture and media, be that TV animation, comic book, computer games, sorry, video games, computer games.
01:28:49
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All right, granddad. Video games, um movies, etc, etc. If you were to choose something, and I know you and I came together on Star Wars, it could even be Star Wars. um If you were to choose something that currently doesn't sit in the horror genre, you really, really enjoy and would want to make it
01:29:14
Speaker
introduce it into the horror genre or the Halloween genre at the very least. What would it be? What would your idea be? I mean, there's obviously low hanging fruit. Like I and with a with a huge big bold red asterisk next to it of like if done well and very niche things like this like the Star Wars Death Troopers book I really enjoyed. And I think something along those lines where it's kind of like an alien, kind of like a death troopers. Like, but it's like, it just happens to be in the, you wouldn't even know it's in the same universe, just maybe some of the tech. It's like, if they did like a Star Wars horror, even if it was a short film, I think that'd be cool. Like, and it's not, it has nothing to do with anything. It doesn't even have to be in the same timeframe, but just kind of that same tech, like,
01:30:10
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I don't know if they could do something cool there. I think that'd be neat. Lots of bumpers and control lanes there. I think that's the easy one to say. I think I just just just just just to say i like I totally agree. I enjoyed those two books. Two very different books, actually. The first being with har the second one being set in the in the prequel era. But yeah, no, I am. I thoroughly enjoyed those books and I like you know what I'm like about crossovers like Alien versus Predator and stuff like that.
01:30:39
Speaker
I think something like that would work really, really well. um If it's a one and done, then fine, but but that kind of variety in the Star Wars movies would it be great. Put it this way. they When Star Wars Galaxies was still a thing, and you could still subscribe and you could still immerse yourself in this MMO, they had a planet, an entire planet dedicated to the novelization of of death troopers. So you basically land on a planet and it's shrouded in fog and basically, I think it's an imperial base, and you basically, they introduced zombies into Star Wars and it was fucking amazing, loved it, absolutely you loved it. um It was a very, very
01:31:30
Speaker
a small dungeon, but it was a dungeon on the left that introduced something just a bit different. Sorry, I didn't mean to- Oh, no, god I think that's awesome. I'm agreeing wholeheartedly with yeah with with with that low hanging fruit. I think if I if i had to push myself a little bit further, I'd say just based on some of the tidbits of things that I think that we've seen over time,
01:31:57
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from the different movies and films or TV shows and whatever. But I think there could be a really good horror at ah adaptation in the Middle Earth, Lord of the Rings kind of universe.
01:32:12
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Just that the way they do the old, like, I like that old Kings cursed individuals, those who weren't allowed to pass on giant monsters that lurk in the shadows. Just, I think there's something really in like that, that, that, that true definition and manifestation of evil. Like I think in a fantasy world, I think that's really cool. Um, and I think you can do something very,
01:32:43
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very, very kind of scary. Like I think and it kind of ties into that Star Wars bed a little bit too. Cause I think they did a little bit where it's like when they first did that project luminous thing and they were like, ah what what is it? What would scare the Jedi? And like, I just kind of think of like, what is like true fear, like an uncontrollable, unstoppable, like evil and stuff like that. Like, ooh, how can you really bring that in where you feel powerless and just lost like I think Lord of the Rings touched on that at different times like I loved in Return of the King when he goes in there all the the ghouls in the
01:33:20
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the in the in the cave. I don't know what the hell they're called. ah But all the great the green ghosts. It's like, Oh, that that's Oh, the and yeah, yeah, yeah, ya yeah the undead guys. um What they call the ones that broke their oath. Yeah, I know. Yeah. And we're like in in rings of power where it's like, I already forgot what it was, but you go to that like cemetery thing. And there's the the Goobers popping out of the the cemetery, like sucking people into the holes. It's like, ooh. But everything has like a reason. like That's what I liked about it. It's like, it's not just monsters for the sake of monsters. It's like, oh no, these were people. And then they did something bad. And now they are forever trapped as just Dementors or whatever the hell they are. Just terrorizing this little plot of land.
01:34:13
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I think that's nice. I think that's cool. Nice, nice, nice. I love that. I love that. What about you? Well, I got two. I got two. The first is it kind of has already been done, but I'd love to see it in something a little bit more mainstream. um I don't know if you ever watched Firefly, the TV series. just Yeah. Yeah. So um the um
01:34:41
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cool. I'd take anything in the Firefly universe. not just and and Reavers, the Reavers, the concept of the Reavers, the idea that these are normal people that just became savage, but They didn't become a zombie. they didn't They still are able to maintain technology. They still have a... They're not a hive mind. They're not a hive mind like the Borg, but they kind of...
01:35:12
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their aggressive, the front of their brain, the front of their brain just gone. Yeah, anti establishment, they maintain their ships, they can still operate. They still have the the ability to to operate technology. And I love that. You can drop that in anyway. I mean, it worked really, really, well and really, really well in in Star Wars. ah To your point, you know, the the idea of yeah the Nile, the Nile is great but they're kind of organized, they're kind of a little bit too sentient for me to to to to to read to be really train to be seen truly as something scary. So the idea, let's use Star Wars for example,
01:35:54
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Or what would be more revolutionary is Star Trek, because everything is so clean in Star Trek, and everything is so pristine in Star Trek. The idea of you know the idea of there being this complete barbarism um going on within Starfleet that is, again, not a hive mind like the Borg, it's not it's nothing it's nothing um as organized or as draconian as that, it's basically chaos. I i know what it is. I know't it is i don't know. think of Think of Star Wars or Star Trek combined with Event Horizon. So all of the evil all of the evil in in physical form coming through Event Horizon into the Star Wars universe. it would be
01:36:41
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bloody chaos but also feels like it's a little bit like the like one of those rise of the planet of the apes movies where they were trying to like bridge the gap of like how did it get this way and they kind of explained it as like the humans Got the got the what's the diseases where that virus they created and that's what like slowly turned them turn like and they'd slowly get it at different times and like you watch Yeah, you watch the one guy just like slowly like lose it. and It's like, oh, yeah, that's it's not zomb zombies have been done to death but like that this is It's there but the idea is it's still so so Zombies are cool
01:37:22
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Yeah, there are certain zombies walking dead that I'm tired of I'm enjoying other zombies aka last of us That kind of take on it because it's very very different Something like that but with intelligence to it with some yeah because because I think that The idea of just a droning, a droning threat. It's only a threat if it's in numbers, you know, it's it's it's quite easily dispatched if if there's not an awful lot of them. Whereas
01:38:03
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this idea of something like Reaver's being put into into a more mainstream franchise, I find. It's not becoming a monster, but taking away somebody's humanity and you don't know what they're capable of because they still maintain the capability of technology and yada, yada, yada. like yeah now they're Now what have we unlocked? like What true horrors are out there when you've removed that like compassion and empathy. and and that's it And it's indiscriminate. It's indiscriminate as well. It doesn't care about light side. It doesn't care about dark side. If indeed you apply to Star Wars rather than Star Trek. Point being is that it's is' completely indiscriminate. It doesn't care about power. doesn't compar compare about It doesn't doesn't care about territory. It just cares about just wreaking absolute havoc across the galaxy, the universe, whatever it is. And the second idea I had or the second thought I had was um
01:38:53
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going back in time was going back in time and I would love to I would love to see um and this is probably down to the um
01:39:06
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the subject matter that I bought recently, the Gotham by Gaslight that I bought recently, I would love to see something like that um on the on on the screen on the screen. Not as a cartoon, because I think DC have actually released it as a cartoon. yeah But I would love to see a different take on they the the the serial killer story um fiction or non-fiction that's turned into something a little bit more fantastical as well. So I would love to see i would love to see that kind of um ah different take on franchises that I like, be it Marvel, be it yeah DC, be it something else where you more of that um in a in a
01:40:04
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in a more dramatic or a horrific environment, I think would be would be great. Which is why I'm actually hoping for a little bit of Spider-Man noir, but I can't help thinking, probably not. It's probably still gonna be a PG-13, but it would be good if it was a little bit bloody.
01:40:20
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bring back like universal monsters and like mix them, like how they do in the comics, but like make it scary, like actually like modern yeah scary and like mix it with something. That's a recipe. I like it. What happened to that? that Because wasn't that going to be? I think the mummy was the one that really just kind of shit the bed thread. I thought the movie was entertaining. like Right. Not like, let's watch it again. But it was like, I watched it. I'm like, I don't understand why everybody hated this so much.
01:40:49
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And maybe I was, cause I watched it on an airplane and I'm like, felt kind of trapped and I had to like watch it and see it through. yeah But I thought it was the least intriguing. No, I'd love to see a team up as well. I'd love to see a team up like a proper team up. I'm not talking about league of gentlemen type of team up. I'm talking about proper kind of team up, team up across.
01:41:19
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universal monster ah the like a Van Helsing kind of thing where it's like a mixes mixes things a little bit bit more of a team up where it's like it bridges the universe is it's not the mummy and Frankenstein's monster holding hands beating people up by the dozens it's more of a I do like what they did with that Marvel one a couple like was it two two years ago where they came out that Halloween whatever that I came was called like vampire by night or whatever was wolf werewolf by night or whatever it was yes yeah that was really good yeah you know directed it or something they released a color version that I never watched I want to watch the color version of it but
01:41:59
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Yeah, really, really good. i I really, really enjoyed that. That was great, actually. um But there is something there is something, again, Sleepy Hollow, again, you know, um Jack the Ripper, again, there's there's something about that kind of Edwardian, oblique Victorian era and in in, you know,
01:42:23
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London surrounded in smog There is something about that era that is by definition Quite scary and then you introduce the fantastical into it as well. I just I just love more of that place done well with perhaps Some of the stuff that you wouldn't expect, you know um Anyway, we shall see we shall see dude I've got to go to bed.
Vacation Plans and Podcast Teasers
01:42:56
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Got to get on. Good. Get ready for vacation. Got to get ready to get up. Got a ah very early alarm clock on my phone at the moment. so um Buddy, thank you so much. I hope you and Madison have an amazing time tonight. I'm really quite jealous ah that you're going in out and making the most of it. Have a great time. ah Please give them my love. Thank you for recording with me.
01:43:20
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um folks thank you for listening as usual um we will speak to you in a week and a bit so we've got a little bit of a we'll still be honoring our promise to record once a week um but we're going to be a little bit um a little bit of a delay to allow me to get back um in front of a pete in front of a laptop again and also fingers fingers crossed, fingers crossed the stars, the moons and the universe will align and we should have a very special guest on our next episode whereby
01:44:03
Speaker
we'd like to think we can start talking about the road to celebration. Yeah, a little bit of a teaser there. Um, but thank you again for your time. Thank you for your friendship and thank you for supporting this pod. Sean, buddy, over to you.
01:44:18
Speaker
First of all, Andy, thanks for joining me. Have a safe flight. Enjoy your vacation. Will do. And ah look forward to hearing all your fun, fun stories about all the content you watched and all the the sunburns you got on the beach. um And for closing today, I don't have advice, except for I'm going to put the the links to those articles, the one Andy sent and the one Madison sent in the show notes, because I do think they're really, really nice.
01:44:42
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I don't this doesn't capture the essence of the entire article. But there is kind of a closing note that I thought was really interesting. um It's in reference to nostalgia and the way we look back on things and the way the way you look back doesn't like there is no uncertainty anymore on the how things were. So like back then, you may have been stressed out all the time, whatever, whatever, whatever. And so then when you look back,
01:45:04
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You forgot all that and things look back like you have nostalgia and whatever. And so the closing thought is that I'm going to include in this, which is a larger part of the larger article, and it doesn't do it justice. The quote goes, the past wasn't wasn't as good as you remember. The present isn't as bad as you think. And the future will be better than you anticipate.
01:45:25
Speaker
And I thought that was really interesting and in context to how we look at fandom, to how we look at the things we love and at different times of our lives and how we are now. And so just keeping that in mind is always helpful. I like that, dude. I like that a lot.
01:45:48
Speaker
Until next time. Until next time. See you in a week, buddy. Bye. Bye.