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The 16 Rules of Misogyny (Part 1)
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We discuss the first 8 rules of misogyny and how it relates to the narratives we learn in dating and relationships. Part 2 of the show will be available our Patreon on 9/3!
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16 Rules of Misogyny Introduction
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Let's start the show.
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What's up, queens?
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Welcome to the Female Dating Strategy Podcast, the meanest female-only podcast on the internet.
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I'm your host, Ro.
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And this is Savannah.
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And I'm Lilla.
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And this week, we will be discussing the 16 rules of misogyny.
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So the rules of misogyny are the unspoken ways in which men seek to belittle, control, and abuse women.
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And they're essentially a form of patriarchal gaslighting.
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The Rules of Misogyny was written by a second wave feminist named Rose who was in her 70s.
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And she basically put the rules together to help women recognise and name the different ways that misogyny manifests in society.
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So
Blaming Women for Men's Behavior
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let's kick off with rule number one.
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So rule number one, it states that women are responsible for what men do.
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Yeah, I mean, any time a man does anything bad, they're like, oh, well, how could a woman be at fault?
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Yeah, I think this rule is pretty self-explanatory.
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And there are several examples of where women have been blamed either directly or indirectly for men's poor behavior.
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So for number one, it's more like if your husband cheats on you, then it's because you aren't having sex with him enough, right?
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Or something like that.
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So to relate the 16 rules of misogyny, to kind of frame it in the context of FDS, part of the reason why FDS has really expanded just from talking about straight dating techniques into broader cultural critique is because so much of the messaging that we get around our relationships is in this framework of misogyny.
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And a lot of this misogyny comes from different messaging that we get as young women, right?
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either through media or through our parents or through religion or whatever kind of social circle that you have.
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So I think by talking about these rules of misogyny, we can really see how the application of that affects our relationship.
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So I think the example we talked about where women are often blamed for men's cheating, that there's some kind of shortcoming in women and that their inability to control men's behavior is somehow a shortcoming of women.
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Yeah, but also if a woman does anything to try to control his behavior, she's blamed for being controlling.
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Right, so no one's a choice.
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No matter what happens, it's always a woman's fault.
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Yeah, the rules shift real time to make sure that we always lose, right?
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That's the thing.
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Sometimes in one conflict, you might have multiple rules of misogyny in play at once.
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Yes, yes.
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Because it's just this constantly shifting goalposts, right?
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Yeah, and the words of the great DJ Khaled, they don't want you to win.
Victim-Blaming in Rape Cases
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Yeah.
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I mean, you say this a lot with, you know, rape or sexual assault, right?
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So I'm reading Jessica Taylor's book, Why Women Are Blamed for Everything.
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And it's just blowing my mind how there's so many myths around rape and sexual assault that...
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lead women not only to not only is all of society blaming women but women often blame themselves if they're sexually assaulted you know she was wearing the wrong thing or you know she let him on or you know whatever it is to avoid it's they never put the responsibility on the man to not rape right right it's almost like seen as a given that men are going to try to rape you and it's your fault for not preventing it
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And it's really the only crime that's like that because every other crime puts the majority of the blame on the actor and not the victim.
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So rape is actually an atypical type of, the way that rape at least is treated in the legal system is actually atypical for most crimes.
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Yeah.
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Like if someone gets robbed, for example, right?
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They're not going to be like, well, you know, were you giving signals that maybe you wanted them to take your Rolex or something?
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Right, exactly.
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Or you shouldn't have bought the Rolex in the first place.
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Like, it's your fault if you then got robbed, you know?
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Exactly.
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So, yeah, it's the only crime where the victim is the one that has to kind of prove their innocence.
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It's often in court...
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When a woman is, it's, even though it's the man who's on trial, often it's the woman who is being grilled.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Or her credibility is being attacked.
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All right, rule number two.
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A woman
Negative Perception of Women's Boundaries
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saying no to men is a hate crime.
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Let's talk about it.
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Let's pull over on this one.
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Because...
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Let's pull over.
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Put on your flashers and your hazards and pull between the cones.
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Because this is one of the rules of misogyny I think FDS in particular is always getting.
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We suffer from the most.
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Suffers from the most.
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And we're always getting antagonized, not even just by men, but by like other women and feminists about like creating boundaries as a hate crime, having sexual standards as eugenics.
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There's sort of a weird narrative that gets pushed around the concept of women making any type of moves to benefit themselves.
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And it's always seen as some kind of personal affront or like antagonistic behavior towards men as if like us having any type of standards is literally expressing like hatred towards them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, I mean, that goes back to rule one.
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Like, you know, when incels murder people, it's women's fault for not fucking them.
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Yeah.
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When women, you know, on FDS, we say, like, the worst that will do to a man is, like, break up with him, right?
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And, right?
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And that's seen as, like, abusive or controlling or coercive or whatever.
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Let me remind you, coercion is...
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you know using threats or force to get something uh or using violence to get or threatening violence to get something um like women have the right to set a standard for what kind of behavior they expect in a relationship and if you don't meet that behavior that we have every right to break up with you and that's for some reason seen as violence yeah you have a complete and total freedom about what you do with your vagina that's a basic human right
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Pussy is not charity.
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I will literally, I want to get this on a t-shirt.
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Pussy is not charity.
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It's not equal opportunities.
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It is not like pussy is not a socialist endeavor.
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You don't have to give it out to people who are down on their luck, who can't afford it, who don't have any, who will never get any.
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This is not how pussy works.
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Yeah.
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We're against sexual communism.
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Fuck sexual communism.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we're against sex being looked at as a service that we provide to people rather than like sex is something we just do because it makes us feel good.
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That's the problem with the like entire discussion about like sex being a service or sex work being work.
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Again, making sex into a service that women perform for other people is inherently misogynist, right?
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Instead of saying this is something I do solely for my own pleasure.
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Right.
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I've alluded to the fact that, or I've said in previous episodes that the term withholding sex is just so rapey because ultimately you withhold something that the other person is entitled to.
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So you can withhold housing or their wages or something like that.
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You don't withhold sex because men are not entitled to sex.
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Yeah.
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So you're not withholding anything from them.
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You're just choosing not to have sex with them.
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You're choosing not to.
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And you have the right to make that choice because we have bodily autonomy too.
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Pussy is not charity.
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Yeah, nobody's saying there needs to be some kind of legal standard or something like that where it would be like coercive.
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It'd be coerced through the state.
Criticism of Female-Only Spaces
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It's just you have free individual choice and your individual choice for who you have sex with is probably the most important right that a woman can have.
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Number three, women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
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If FDS received a pound for every time a male scrot was in the comments saying, as a guy, or if only you allowed men onto your subreddit to comment, you would have a much better discussion, we would be millionaires.
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Hey, yeah.
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A huge part of the reason why FDS is so hated on Reddit is because we do not allow men.
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We don't allow them to say, you know, you know, as a guy or, you know, as a male, I think this, even if, you know, what they're saying is in support of FDS.
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yes we don't allow them in for a very very good reason and we get called toxic in an echo chamber put that purely because we have understood that when you allow men into certain spaces it completely changes the conversation or the flow of conversation and it often ends up becoming like so many of the other so-called female only spaces on reddit just
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If you say anything about male pattern behaviour, you have to do a massive paragraph prefacing how, oh, by the way, it's not all men.
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It's not all men.
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I get that it's not all men who do this.
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And men also go through the same.
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But as a woman, I'm disgusted by the high instances of rape, for example.
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You have to preface everything.
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And even then, you'll still get dickheads in the comments saying, as a guy, I go through the same thing and it's just as bad.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I'm just imagining what would FDS be like if we allowed men to comment.
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Here's what would happen.
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And we know what, because way, way back in the early days, men could comment on FDS and it was bad.
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Like, it was just a ton of trolls.
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And this was like prehistoric FDS.
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Yeah, prehistoric FDS.
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And so women would reply back to them, and it would just be this back and forth.
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It was just this very... People say that we're negative now, but holy shit, what is that ever negative when men were allowed to comment, right?
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It was just very combative.
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Yeah, because all they would do is...
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take contrarian positions, derail the thread, make it about them.
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Even if they were sympathetic, they would make it about them, insert their opinion on stuff nobody asked about.
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Like it was just, it's just impossible to have a conversation where you're trying to have a conversation about experiences women have without men like inserting something they want to talk about for themselves.
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Yeah, like any time that any space where men are allowed to participate, they end up dominating, right?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Even ask women, though, even our ask women, technically, I think it's supposed to be by women, for women, but men still sometimes comment on there and it still gets derailed.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
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You know what?
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I'd rather be exclusionary and selfish than allow every single conversation that's supposed to be beneficial to women be derailed by shitty men.
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So...
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And there are so many of the subreddits that were supposedly for women.
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I think there was a subreddit for women who didn't feel confident about having a smaller chest.
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And they eventually had to abandon the subreddit because it was found that... Was it small boob problems?
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I think so, yeah.
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But it was actually found that the subreddit was being run by a man who had a fetish for big boobs.
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Like it was a, no, was it a small boob humiliation fetish or something like that?
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It wasn't a humiliation fetish.
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It was essentially a subreddit where women with small boobs would just like vent their frustrations or, you know, try to find like-minded women who understood the challenges that having a smaller chest would bring.
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But what they didn't realize for a very long time was that the sub had actually been taken over by a man who had a fetish for big boobs.
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So he sort of turned it into a small boob humiliation sub, but they didn't know that because it wasn't known that he was... The moderator.
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The man, basically.
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So this is what they do.
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And even our feminism, like, why have you got men on the mod team?
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And men who were...
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actually sympathetic to men's rights activists, right?
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Because it's not even just that there's men on there, it's that they were literally anti-feminist at one point, at least sympathetic to men's rights activists, and actually pushing back on Reddit when they were trying to get rid of a lot of the...
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like jailbait and pedo bait type porn that was on the site.
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So this is not us just saying this, this is actually documented on Reddit.
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I think Buzzfeed even did an article about it because it was so blatant that the feminist subs are being run by men's rights activists.
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So a lot of people who might be Googling and discussing feminism were,
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or wanting to discuss feminism on Reddit would probably go to these subreddits and then like be filled with a bunch of ideas that doesn't have shit to do with feminism or only a one-sided, very, very controlled, like pro-male idea of feminism.
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Like they would promote like sex work is work, like porn is empowering, like very like pro-male feminism for men, basically like the talking points that men benefit from.
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And furthermore, and that's why those subreddits are not active.
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I mean, that's the other... Yeah, they stifle conversation between women.
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They stifle conversation.
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And I think it's interesting because we get accused of always stifling conversation on our subreddit.
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But quite frankly, I think we're probably one of the most active female subreddits, especially for our size.
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I mean, we're just as active as...
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as subreddits that have like two to three times the membership that we have and above the membership that we have.
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And a lot of that is because like, it's a lot of women actually being able to speak freely without the interference of men versus these other subreddits where it's so heavily controlled that turns a lot of women off that eventually like they just get bored and leave or frustrated and leave.
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So I actually don't think even with our flare system that we're actually the most heavily moderated sub or our conversation is the most heavily moderated on Reddit.
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Yeah.
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No, I think we're ranked like 2000 something for subscriber count and 500, around 500 for comments per day.
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So that means that basically we're way more active than our size would, than what our subscriber count would indicate.
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And we delete half our comments because half of them get caught in automod.
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So consider that.
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We're really, really active, not even including the comments we get from the shitpost comments that never get through or people that are good commenters, but we just never get around to flaring them, right?
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So we're really, really active.
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Yeah.
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But anyways, back to the point about women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
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It's pretty much a given that whenever men speak, they're going to be advancing a narrative that benefits themselves.
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Yes.
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And so as women, we need to be aware that when you're dealing with someone who is completely one-sided and only cares about themselves, when you try to be fair and inclusive to somebody like that...
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you're, you're going to get fucked.
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Like you're, you're just going to be a sucker every single time.
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Right.
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I don't know if you've ever like argued with a narcissist.
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If you've ever been in a relationship with a narcissist and they want things to be exactly their way, like my way, the highway, they want to dominate you.
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And you're trying to go into that conversation being like fair and acknowledging both perspectives and they just don't feel empathy for you.
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So they don't give a shit about your perspective.
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Um,
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So, yeah, like you're never going to be able to be, you know, have a 50 50 or fair exchange with someone like that.
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The only thing you can do is leave and only participate.
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And that's why women, we like having spaces for ourselves.
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Like, that's why we like having female only spaces that we don't have to deal with.
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men who want to control the conversation.
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And you don't have to deal with people who just don't get it.
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Like, you know, men will never understand a lot of the experiences that women have in dating.
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So the fear that comes with dating in a way.
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So even when you rock up to a date, the safety measures that women take, you know, you have a designated contact, you...
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Every time a woman has a date, she's like, hmm, am I going to get murdered today?
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You know, that's a genuine concern.
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All those steps that we go through and, you know, they just don't understand that.
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So, and having to explain so many times it's, you know, to some, you know, basic concepts to people outside the group because they don't understand what it's like.
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It's just exhausting and it just, it's just, yeah.
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So...
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We are exclusionary and proud.
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We're proud of it.
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Anyways, number four.
Women's Opinions and Male Violence
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Women's opinions are violence against men.
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Thus, male violence against women is justified.
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Yeah, it's very interesting watching men backtrack about freedom of speech when it comes to FDS in general.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they're all pro-freedom of speech when it's talking about wanting to, when it comes to porn or like wanting to rape and attack women and shit.
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But then when women are like, I like it when men pay for dates, they're like, this is hate speech.
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It must be taken down.
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Yeah.
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And then saying we're responsible for incel violence, like incels haven't been around for like a decade plus before FDS got here.
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It's not even, I think incels, I mean, their ideology is so, so widespread.
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I mean, even though we, I think we've only seen incel shootings in the past maybe 30 years.
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If we count instances like Virginia Tech.
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Yeah.
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Incel ideology has been around for a very, very long time.
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Like men have always felt entitled to having a woman in their life.
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I mean, this rule four is related to rule one, which is that women are blamed for what the bad things that men do.
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You know, back when it was legal to beat your wife, for example, they would say, well, you know, have you been nagging him a lot?
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Or have you been, you know, annoying him?
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Or whatever, right?
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So if a man beat his wife, it would be seen as her fault for annoying him or something.
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So...
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Yeah, that, um, uh, we talked about this a little bit in the bonus content to the Josh Duggar, the one about Josh Duggar.
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Um, and I shared this there about how, um, when I had a family member that was experiencing, uh, domestic violence, one of the things that was said to her was like, well, you're trying to be a career woman and you're like usurping your husband's authority and all types of victim blaming for her, not like, uh, for, for her just having her own life and her own opinions.
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Right.
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So, um,
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I don't know that they were intentionally trying to like justify the violence, but the idea behind the, uh, the advice or the counseling that was given was that like, you have to play your godly submissive role as a wife because, um, if you don't want to get beat.
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Yeah.
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I mean, essentially, but also like that's the role that God ordains for you.
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And like, you can cover your husband and like inspire him to be better and all this kind of stuff.
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So it's still putting the blame and the majority of the responsibility on women to, um,
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basically just go inside of themselves, not be honest about who they are, like give it up to God, never express the way they feel, just sit around praying in like a corner by themselves with their husband gets better.
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Right.
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And the idea is like, you can't ever express those things directly to men because then it's like, you're, you're making, you're, you're becoming like the masculinized person in the house.
00:20:39
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There's this all types of way where this kind of mentality feeds into some of the pathology around relationships.
00:20:46
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And that's why FDS, we do all of this anonymously, because as we said in the Patreon episode about the Plymouth shooter, if men knew who we were in real life, they would hunt us down.
00:20:57
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Yeah.
00:20:57
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They think that they literally say I've seen posts saying that I can't wait to hear a story about an FDS member doing domestic violence against her male partner and accusing us of promoting violence.
00:21:10
Speaker
violence against men because and even though we've never done that and we remove those kinds of comments all the time even though fucking incels try to make sock puppet accounts and say that shit all the time I mean I hope is to get so big and bad they can't do shit about it so I mean the thing the thing about it is like success kind of insulates you from some of this right like the idea it also puts a bigger target on your back true me but they can't get all of us ladies they can't
00:21:40
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We'll still be hated, but whatever.
00:21:42
Speaker
Yeah, like me, the three of us will definitely be hated, like forever, probably.
00:21:47
Speaker
And they could die mad.
00:21:52
Speaker
I saw one comment on Reddit, like, oh, at the end of their podcast, they tell them to die mad.
00:21:57
Speaker
And Jake Davidson did exactly that.
00:22:00
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I was like, do you really think the Plymouth Sheet listened to the FDS podcast?
00:22:06
Speaker
Really?
00:22:06
Speaker
Probably not.
00:22:08
Speaker
It is absurd because it is more or less telling them like, we're not going to shut up.
00:22:11
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We're not going to change our opinions.
00:22:13
Speaker
We're not going to sugarcoat it.
00:22:14
Speaker
We're not going to do anything to make you feel better.
00:22:17
Speaker
And how you feel about it is your problem.
00:22:19
Speaker
It's also another example of just how our detractors,
00:22:24
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you know we're somehow everything and nothing at the same time so they'll say oh fds is just full of angry cat ladies who are in their you know 40s and 50s and no one listens to them they're just an extremist group on the other hand it's all our fault if you know men go on a shooting spree and kill themselves yeah how like both statements can't be true yeah
00:22:48
Speaker
It kills me that we can be so small and yet so big at the same time, right?
00:22:53
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:22:54
Speaker
Like we're not, as far as influencers, like we have what, like 4,000 Twitter followers and like the sub is not even 200K yet.
00:23:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:03
Speaker
I mean, one of the parts of fascism is making your enemy to seem really weak, but also very strong at the same time.
00:23:11
Speaker
So, you know, like Hitler would be like, oh, like the Jews control everything, blah, blah, blah.
00:23:16
Speaker
But also.
00:23:17
Speaker
But then the intermention at the same time.
00:23:20
Speaker
But yeah, and then calling them like subhuman at the same time, right?
00:23:22
Speaker
How can they control everything and, you know, be secretly pulling the strings of everything behind the scenes and still be like subhuman at the same time?
00:23:30
Speaker
Like, how could you?
00:23:31
Speaker
They're threatened by our ideas.
00:23:33
Speaker
That's the thing.
00:23:33
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They're trying to squash the idea because they know if it becomes popular, a lot of them are fucked.
00:23:39
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And it's sad because what makes it sad is like, it's not even like we're saying things that are horribly unattainable for the average man, right?
00:23:47
Speaker
Like we're really just trying to bring the average up.
00:23:49
Speaker
It's not that we're saying...
00:23:51
Speaker
They're like, no, I'm going to have to wash my ass and spend money on days.
00:23:56
Speaker
Buy a bed frame.
00:23:58
Speaker
What?
00:24:00
Speaker
Oppression.
00:24:01
Speaker
Travesty.
00:24:02
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That's why most men who aren't these creepy incel guys listen to us and then watch our Reddit page and then be like, ha ha, and then click out and go do whatever the hell they were doing because nothing there is actually that unreasonable.
00:24:14
Speaker
It's just these really men who just think that basic hygiene standards are impossible and
00:24:20
Speaker
They're just offended that women have sexual preferences.
00:24:23
Speaker
But I'm like, the only reason you're offended is because you're not used to hearing it.
00:24:27
Speaker
Because you don't meet them as well.
00:24:30
Speaker
But sometimes they do and they just feel like, well, I'm a high value man because I meet one of these standards, right?
00:24:34
Speaker
Especially the guys that I'm like...
00:24:36
Speaker
On big dick problems.
00:24:41
Speaker
But it's like, you could just feel like when... I really love it when they make posts about how FGS is unreasonable.
00:24:46
Speaker
They'll always start with like, so FGS wants a guy who's over six feet, makes six feet and has a six inch plus dick.
00:24:54
Speaker
So then if we look at all the statistics, there's only 11% of the population that's asked this.
00:24:59
Speaker
That's why you should lower your standards.
00:25:02
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And you can literally feel the tears coming out and dropping onto the keyboard as they start going through how it's impossible for us to find this mythical unicorn that is 666, even though we've never stated that a guy has to be 666 to be high value.
00:25:18
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Yeah.
00:25:20
Speaker
I think we have like one post that says that, but again, like they act like that is the, a lot of women on FDS have said that for them personally, they don't require that, but that, um, like there are some women who do require that and we're not going to standard shame them of course, but, um, like, you know, you can have one out of three or two out of three and probably still be fine.
00:25:41
Speaker
But more importantly is, you know, your character and, you know, how you treat women.
00:25:45
Speaker
Um,
00:25:45
Speaker
And spending money on them is part of treating women well.
00:25:49
Speaker
And furthermore, even if it's all that, like, why do you care so much?
00:25:52
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:25:53
Speaker
There's other men that go out and they're like, I want a girl that has, like, double D cups and itty-bitty waist and, like, an impossibly large booty.
00:26:00
Speaker
And I'm like, damn, that sucks.
00:26:01
Speaker
I'm not like that.
00:26:02
Speaker
But also she has to be natural and not have plastic surgery.
00:26:04
Speaker
She has to be all natural.
00:26:06
Speaker
But I'm not like, everybody needs to change their sexual preferences to me specifically.
00:26:12
Speaker
Right?
00:26:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:13
Speaker
You just sort of accept that some men like that, right?
00:26:16
Speaker
I don't know.
00:26:19
Speaker
I'm entitled for you to be sexually attracted to me.
00:26:22
Speaker
And if you're not sexually attracted to me, you're a hater and you're a hate crime.
00:26:25
Speaker
Or you're into eugenics.
00:26:28
Speaker
Men get so offended by the, like, health at every size, you know, or the fat positivity stuff, right?
00:26:34
Speaker
Like, they say, like, the feminists are trying to propaganda us into dating fat women.
00:26:39
Speaker
Like, I, you know, don't want to date a woman who's obese, blah, blah, blah.
00:26:42
Speaker
And yet, like, they don't seem to think that women should be able to exact those same standards onto them.
00:26:47
Speaker
And it's like, die mad.
00:26:49
Speaker
Right.
00:26:51
Speaker
Anyways, we kind of got off track there, but yeah.
00:26:53
Speaker
It was all wonderful.
00:26:54
Speaker
It was great.
00:26:57
Speaker
It's cathartic.
00:26:58
Speaker
Good quality content.
00:27:01
Speaker
So on to number five, women and feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.
Liberal vs. Radical Feminism
00:27:08
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Now let's pull over here.
00:27:10
Speaker
I am going to pick a bone here.
00:27:13
Speaker
Stop the bus!
00:27:14
Speaker
Stop the emergency brakes.
00:27:17
Speaker
I'm going to pull up liberal feminism here and give it a mini drag on this episode because liberal feminism is popular with men because it does not require any true analysis or change in behaviour.
00:27:31
Speaker
You could literally, like...
00:27:33
Speaker
Anything a woman does is feminist.
00:27:35
Speaker
It's feminist.
00:27:36
Speaker
And this allows men to say they are feminist, but still perpetuate extreme, extremely misogynist views and actions.
00:27:45
Speaker
And the reason why liberal feminism has been able to get off the ground and be in politics and in society is because it doesn't challenge men at all.
00:27:59
Speaker
It doesn't challenge them to change their behaviour and it encourages women to conform to patriarchal expectations.
00:28:06
Speaker
Yeah, they change only insofar as they figure out it can benefit them, right?
00:28:11
Speaker
Meaning, like, adding women to the workforce created another population of exploitable labor, right?
00:28:17
Speaker
That they still underpay.
00:28:18
Speaker
So the way that they still get men to adopt
00:28:22
Speaker
certain aspects of feminism is they show, you know, feminism benefits men too.
00:28:27
Speaker
And patriarchy is hard on men too.
00:28:29
Speaker
So like they try to negotiate and reason with them.
00:28:32
Speaker
And then what men do is they cherry pick the aspects of feminism that actually benefit them.
00:28:37
Speaker
Like,
00:28:37
Speaker
sex work is feminist and positive, right?
00:28:42
Speaker
I'm supporting women by purchasing OnlyFans.
00:28:45
Speaker
Or adding women to the workforce creates a better consumer base for them.
00:28:52
Speaker
But women are still locked out of industries with the most power and the positions with the most power regularly, right?
00:28:57
Speaker
Where a lot of times just really easily exploitable labor.
00:29:00
Speaker
So I
00:29:02
Speaker
I don't know.
00:29:03
Speaker
I I've been really like reading into, um, how feminism is done in some other countries and, uh, some other countries have more of the idea that like women have specific needs and that like these specific needs need to be accommodated because we are 51% of the population.
00:29:19
Speaker
Not that we need to confirm to men or appeal to men or that everything that we do needs to somehow benefit men.
00:29:26
Speaker
Like it can't like,
00:29:27
Speaker
I kind of don't like that our feminism, at least in the States is not as selfish as it needs to be.
00:29:32
Speaker
Meaning like, bitch, we make all the people.
00:29:34
Speaker
So we need society to support our goals as much as it supports men's.
00:29:40
Speaker
And that's just it.
00:29:41
Speaker
We don't need to justify it.
00:29:42
Speaker
We don't need to like even say like how much it's going to benefit men to do it.
00:29:46
Speaker
Like, I don't even like, I hate that I have to give a sales pitch to men to justify why I need something as a woman.
00:29:51
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:29:53
Speaker
I have a bit about the whole sales pitch thing.
00:29:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:55
Speaker
So in sales, one of the things that you learn, and I talked about sales a bit in the communication episode.
00:30:03
Speaker
In sales, you want to appeal to something that is important to the other person.
00:30:08
Speaker
So let's say you're talking to a customer and you get the impression they're very time sensitive.
00:30:14
Speaker
They want things done quickly.
00:30:15
Speaker
You'd say, oh, my product or service saves you time or something like that.
00:30:20
Speaker
But it doesn't work with feminism because what ends up happening is it turns feminism into a product that
00:30:28
Speaker
And that means that it has to be marketable and it ends up undermining its original goals.
00:30:32
Speaker
Like, feminism or female advancement is not something that is not supposed to benefit men.
00:30:39
Speaker
Like, men benefit from patriarchy.
00:30:42
Speaker
And so, by definition, we're advancing, we want something that's not beneficial to men.
00:30:46
Speaker
So...
00:30:47
Speaker
Or at least not beneficial to a large portion of them.
00:30:49
Speaker
It is beneficial to some men.
00:30:51
Speaker
And I think actually, I would actually argue that feminism is better for the health of the population as a whole.
00:30:57
Speaker
But it does mean that some men, for example, because more women entered the workforce, there's less jobs available for men and then men get...
00:31:05
Speaker
Men at the bottom of the hierarchy.
00:31:06
Speaker
Men have to compete more or be more competitive.
00:31:08
Speaker
Men have to compete more and they have to do that.
00:31:10
Speaker
So like it's not.
00:31:11
Speaker
But at the same time, having a population of educated women makes our entire workforce stronger.
00:31:16
Speaker
Right.
00:31:16
Speaker
You have a bigger pool of talent, et cetera.
00:31:19
Speaker
So as a population, it probably makes us healthier if you include women in that population, but even the population of men.
00:31:26
Speaker
But as like individual actors, it might make some men worse off.
00:31:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:30
Speaker
But no, my point being that like, um, yeah, you shouldn't make feminism into a sales pitch.
00:31:36
Speaker
Um, we're not like, personally, I'm not really interested in like trying to persuade men.
00:31:41
Speaker
Um, I like, they can either come along with us or they can be left behind.
00:31:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:48
Speaker
That's really what it is at this point.
00:31:49
Speaker
Like, we're going to go advance our own interests.
00:31:52
Speaker
We're going to do what's beneficial to us.
00:31:54
Speaker
And the men who don't give us that or the men who are unable to provide that, they're just going to get left behind.
00:31:59
Speaker
We're just not going to choose those men.
00:32:00
Speaker
It's become apparent that the all lives matter approach to feminism has just been a complete failure because the needs and wants and desires of the dominant group will always take precedence over the oppressed group.
00:32:16
Speaker
It's not.
00:32:17
Speaker
And yeah, this is why feminism, if it does benefit men, that should be a byproduct.
00:32:23
Speaker
It shouldn't be a goal because feminism is for women.
00:32:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:27
Speaker
And that's why liberal feminists, a lot of times, like they're almost shapeshifters, right?
00:32:31
Speaker
Like they, there's a lot of politicians and like prominent like celebrities and stuff who push one agenda.
00:32:39
Speaker
And then when like a push comes to shove, they like flip flop.
00:32:42
Speaker
I think Lena Dunham was one of those people who famously did that as after Me Too started coming out and somebody accused someone she knew of sexual assault.
00:32:50
Speaker
Then she started saying, this is one of those cases.
00:32:51
Speaker
And like she put herself to be this like feminist paragon, you know?
00:32:55
Speaker
And like, so it's very like, they're very shape shifty because like, they're always trying to, uh, I don't know, play cool girl rather than like, look at like whether or not as a group you're advancing the interests of women.
00:33:08
Speaker
Like they don't want, they don't want to stay on code, so to speak.
00:33:11
Speaker
And if anything, even though we agree, we sometimes disagree with certain aspects of radical feminists.
00:33:16
Speaker
Like the thing I'll always respect about them is how much they do not give a fuck at all.
00:33:20
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:22
Speaker
You know, I really respect, you know, South Korean radical feminists, for example.
00:33:27
Speaker
Like, a lot of them are very, even though they're separatists, right?
00:33:31
Speaker
I really, really admire the fact that they don't give a flying fuck about what makes men happy.
00:33:36
Speaker
Like, they are just the opposite of people pleasers.
00:33:39
Speaker
And I...
00:33:40
Speaker
I fucking love how hardcore they are.
00:33:42
Speaker
It's great.
00:33:43
Speaker
I want to be more like that.
00:33:44
Speaker
I want to channel that energy.
00:33:46
Speaker
I see them as role models.
00:33:47
Speaker
Yeah, they don't.
00:33:47
Speaker
I mean, the thing is, they end up a lot of times marginalized because they don't play the game, at least.
00:33:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:51
Speaker
And also, sometimes they turn off women because, like, they're, you know, heterosexuality is like a blessing and a curse.
00:33:59
Speaker
Sometimes when they're talking about like, everyone throw down all your makeup and run away to this commune and we're going to live in a female only commune and the rest of us are like, yeah, but like, you know, we like sex and stuff.
00:34:11
Speaker
So I don't want to do that.
00:34:12
Speaker
And you know, so yeah.
00:34:14
Speaker
Right.
00:34:14
Speaker
So yeah, like I think that's cool and everything, but like realistically, and also you might have people that you like, like, you know, I'm not going to brand him my brother.
00:34:21
Speaker
I love my brother.
00:34:22
Speaker
He's cool.
00:34:22
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:34:24
Speaker
Like, so it's a little bit, uh,
00:34:27
Speaker
They can go so far to the other side that it becomes a little bit harder for women to see any kind of practical application to their life.
00:34:33
Speaker
And it's just why sometimes we're like, we don't know where they're going with stuff.
00:34:36
Speaker
I admire their commitment to their principles, though.
00:34:38
Speaker
100%.
00:34:39
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:40
Speaker
Yeah, there we go.
00:34:41
Speaker
On to six.
Stigma Around Female Biological Processes
00:34:42
Speaker
A woman who go around being female-lacked men by menstruating and breastfeeding deserve punishment.
00:34:51
Speaker
Being all feminine at them.
00:34:53
Speaker
Being all female.
00:34:54
Speaker
Femaling at them.
00:34:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:58
Speaker
I don't know.
00:34:59
Speaker
Have you guys ever experienced, like, I mean, I've read, I've seen some stories floating around where guys have been, like, I think repulsed by just the idea that women have periods.
00:35:12
Speaker
Was it the subreddit where...
00:35:14
Speaker
I think it was on the subreddit where there was a story or maybe it was you, Ro, who said it.
00:35:19
Speaker
Yeah, I made a Twitter shit post saying about how the manosphere sometimes develops narratives around female biology and it was called the menstrual cycle of abuse and it was like,
00:35:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:32
Speaker
Women choose to have periods on purpose to deny men sex one week per year or something like that.
00:35:38
Speaker
I don't know.
00:35:38
Speaker
The reason I made that is because they usually, a lot of times when you watch how manosphere narratives get created is like a fundamental misunderstanding of female biology.
00:35:47
Speaker
They'll take one thing and then create all these conclusions around it.
00:35:51
Speaker
And then a lot of it has to, it comes down to like whether or not they have sexual access, right?
00:35:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:58
Speaker
And there was another thing.
00:35:59
Speaker
Actually, no, I remember now.
00:36:00
Speaker
There was a story on the subreddit where I was reading a few days ago where a woman was like, she went to a guy's house and he got really pissed at her when she used the toilet when she was on her period.
00:36:13
Speaker
And I think she threw like her pad or tampon in the bin.
00:36:16
Speaker
And they said, oh, next time you should go to the store down the road if you need to pee on your period.
00:36:23
Speaker
And I was like, what the fuck?
00:36:24
Speaker
Like...
00:36:26
Speaker
Or like, no, you need to dispose of your pad or your tampon, like, on the corner street.
00:36:31
Speaker
Like, on the corner store.
00:36:33
Speaker
He basically told her to go to the toilet when, like, at the shop, when she's on her period, basically.
00:36:38
Speaker
That's what he told her, because he just didn't want to see...
00:36:40
Speaker
Because he doesn't want to see her pad in the garbage can.
00:36:45
Speaker
Which she dug in the trash for, by the way.
00:36:48
Speaker
I could see if she left it out unrolled on the top of the trash.
00:36:51
Speaker
And his bin was overflowing as well, so he's not exactly the king of cleanliness anyway.
00:36:56
Speaker
Right.
00:36:57
Speaker
But anyways, some examples would be when men think it's disgusting for women to breastfeed in public because they think...
00:37:05
Speaker
boobs are for sexy, you know, not for food.
00:37:08
Speaker
Like boobs are literally for feeding children.
00:37:11
Speaker
So, you know, you're doing what your body's supposed to, right?
00:37:15
Speaker
But even that, the other thing too is, so a lot of times women who are breastfeeding will find that their sexual desires kind of wane.
00:37:23
Speaker
I know, I believe part of that is like a chemical response to breastfeeding, but a lot of these like pregnancy books and a lot of these like new parents books will talk about like
00:37:34
Speaker
after the six weeks trying to force women to like have sex with men or that men will, it's natural for men to get jealous that there are babies getting all the FaceTime on the boob rather than them.
00:37:45
Speaker
And there's like a lot of cultural narratives that comes from both like religious and secular media that,
00:37:52
Speaker
When it comes to women's biological processes being inconvenient to men's sexual desires and that it's somehow our responsibility to always override what our biological things are, our femaleness to meet their needs.
00:38:07
Speaker
And actually not even just relationships.
00:38:09
Speaker
To accommodate their penis wants.
00:38:11
Speaker
Well, not even just relationships, but workplace too, right?
00:38:14
Speaker
Because there was just a piece that was really great in The Guardian about women who are going through menopause and then like how a lot of times menopause is used to discriminate against women in the workplace because they may be suffering symptoms or even if they're not suffering severe symptoms, people just use it as like, oh, well, obviously you're going to go through menopause.
00:38:33
Speaker
So like you can't be trusted to make rational decisions.
00:38:37
Speaker
So women's biology is constantly held against us when it comes to
00:38:41
Speaker
inconveniencing people in the workplace as well as inconveniencing men's sexual access to us in relationships.
00:38:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:49
Speaker
Another one would just be the fact that in a lot of cultures, menstruating is seen as dirty or unhygienic.
00:38:55
Speaker
And like, you know, you got to go and separate yourself from society and, you know, until you're done having your period and then purify yourself before coming back, that kind of shit.
00:39:04
Speaker
So...
00:39:05
Speaker
Yeah, there is a lot of stigma around normal female biological processes.
00:39:09
Speaker
Which, by the way, I see as fucking miraculous, by the way.
00:39:14
Speaker
These are literally related to women's ability to create life, and I think that they should be celebrated.
00:39:21
Speaker
I mean, I'm not going to go around free bleeding, but still.
00:39:23
Speaker
I'm not going to go around free bleeding, but...
00:39:30
Speaker
Yeah, we shouldn't be.
00:39:31
Speaker
And I like wearing bras because I don't like my titties flopping around when I walk.
00:39:34
Speaker
But yeah, that's another one.
00:39:36
Speaker
Like if you don't, we don't, you shouldn't have to wear a bra if you don't want to.
00:39:40
Speaker
But that's another reason where it's like women's breasts are obscene.
00:39:42
Speaker
Right.
00:39:43
Speaker
I wear sports bras almost exclusively and I love it.
00:39:47
Speaker
I'm going to be fully honest here.
00:39:50
Speaker
I'm quite busted.
00:39:53
Speaker
And ever since lockdown, I've just completely given up on bras.
00:39:58
Speaker
And it has been an absolute game changer.
00:40:01
Speaker
I didn't realise how uncomfortable they actually are until...
00:40:05
Speaker
I have to wear them to go to work.
00:40:06
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They are such, they're demon contraptions, to be honest.
00:40:11
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Rule
Low Expectations for Male Behavior
00:40:12
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number seven, women should always be grateful to men for everything, including the bare ass minimum.
00:40:19
Speaker
Sorry, that last bit is not in the rules.
00:40:21
Speaker
It was just, I just added that little bit on.
00:40:23
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That's the implication.
00:40:25
Speaker
That's the implication that they deserve gold stars for doing literally anything.
00:40:30
Speaker
But even for literally doing nothing, like, you know, the number of guys who have said, oh, men built the world as if they should be applauded for that, even though they literally had fuck all to do with whatever they're talking about that was built.
00:40:45
Speaker
Yeah, like low-value scrotes used to send me DMs all the time on Reddit being like, men built the phone that you're typing that on.
00:40:51
Speaker
And it's like, so fucking what?
00:40:53
Speaker
Like, should I be like every single post on Reddit?
00:40:56
Speaker
By the way, special thanks to the guy who designed this phone.
00:40:58
Speaker
Like, but then continue on with my post.
00:41:04
Speaker
Oh, to men.
00:41:06
Speaker
We bow to men.
00:41:08
Speaker
But the thing about that is like they don't take credit for all the men who destroy half the world.
00:41:12
Speaker
Right.
00:41:12
Speaker
Of which there are many more men.
00:41:14
Speaker
There are many more men in that category than there are of men who've like done something great.
00:41:18
Speaker
Right.
00:41:19
Speaker
So like for every Einstein, there's a Hitler.
00:41:21
Speaker
And for every like men who does something like heroic and brave, there's like millions just sitting in prisons because they like raped, murdered and killed people.
00:41:29
Speaker
So it's like they only want to take credit for like half the job.
00:41:32
Speaker
And when I think about it, I'm like, I wonder if we'd be much farther as a group of humanity if like we didn't have as many men that were doing the destroying and had more men who were doing the building.
00:41:43
Speaker
Because it seems like we only get like an inch of a net positive, like a tiny, tiny net positive every generation because there's probably...
00:41:51
Speaker
way more men who are doing just horrible shit all the time.
00:41:54
Speaker
And then they don't educate women, so then women can contribute, right?
00:41:57
Speaker
And then they say, wait, look at us.
00:41:58
Speaker
We're amazing and cool.
00:41:59
Speaker
But then, well, yeah, you are the only people that are allowed to get an education.
00:42:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:04
Speaker
Yeah, like all this stuff that men invented during all this, you know, men built the world phase, like pre-feminism, that was just because women, you know, Mary Curie, for example, literally couldn't go to university except she had to like stealth go to university, right?
00:42:19
Speaker
Like she couldn't go...
00:42:21
Speaker
Like a ton of women throughout history, if they wanted to become a doctor, they'd have to literally disguise themselves as a man.
00:42:26
Speaker
So, yeah, women were just like not able to maximize their potential.
00:42:31
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:42:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:33
Speaker
Or they were laughed out of academia.
00:42:34
Speaker
They weren't given like credence on projects.
00:42:38
Speaker
I mean, there's just so many ways there was completely open and like accepted to just not give women any opportunities to even...
00:42:45
Speaker
prove themselves, right?
00:42:47
Speaker
Or like if they were given, if they discovered something, a man might have been, I think there's times where only men could get patents and stuff like that, right?
00:42:54
Speaker
So they couldn't even take credit for their own work.
00:42:56
Speaker
Only men could have bank accounts, like...
00:42:58
Speaker
Some of the most important discoveries that have been attributed to men, they've actually taken or stolen the work of women.
00:43:06
Speaker
So, for example, the discovery of DNA is often attributed to James Watson, and he did do a lot in the field, but it was actually a woman, like Rosalind Franklin, who first discovered the double helix structure of DNA, but her name is not associated with that discovery.
00:43:24
Speaker
It's instead given to two men who,
00:43:27
Speaker
who, um, instead... Didn't they get a Nobel Prize for that?
00:43:31
Speaker
I'm not actually sure.
00:43:32
Speaker
I don't think they did.
00:43:33
Speaker
Watson and Crick, I believe.
00:43:35
Speaker
Yes, it was in the critics, but it's still not really known that that DNA was essentially discovered by a woman.
00:43:42
Speaker
And I remember, Frank, there was, I think it was like, I'm pretty sure it was like Magdalene Burns, who said that the reason why she was basically, you know, struck off the discovery record for DNA was because of her DNA, because she had XX chromosomes.
00:44:02
Speaker
So I thought that was quite a clever way to put it.
00:44:05
Speaker
Yeah, the woman's name is Rosalind Franklin.
00:44:06
Speaker
And actually, I remember the story that, of course, Reddit and like a lot of men online who saw the story were like talking about the woke police, like trying to correct history or whatever.
00:44:16
Speaker
But yeah, she was actually responsible.
00:44:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:20
Speaker
But yeah, and then the other one that annoys me about this rule is the idea that like women should be grateful to men for being allowed to vote because it's men who gave women the right to vote.
00:44:30
Speaker
Like they just did it through the goodness of their hearts.
00:44:34
Speaker
These good benevolent men.
00:44:35
Speaker
But the implication also of that is that, well, we can take away a right to vote at any moment if we wanted to kind of thing.
00:44:41
Speaker
So it's low-key kind of a threat.
00:44:43
Speaker
Well, and to kind of keep relating this back to the relationship aspect of it, like that's why, you know, it's the same idea when it's like women, women are always supposed to express some kind of gratitude for men like parenting, right?
00:44:54
Speaker
It's always like if a man babysits his kids, first of all, you can't babysit your own kids, your parent, then women are supposed to be grateful for that.
00:45:01
Speaker
If a man like doesn't run off with his secretary the moment she turns 38, they're supposed to be grateful for that.
00:45:08
Speaker
If a man, basically men treating women like human beings, right?
00:45:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:13
Speaker
People, they expect basic gratitude for not always being selfish, right?
00:45:18
Speaker
Yeah, the bar for men is so low that, you know, even just basic human—it's almost like men being shitty is like a given, and then when they are not shitty, it's like, wow, he's such a great guy.
00:45:29
Speaker
That's what annoys me.
00:45:31
Speaker
The other day I saw a post on, I think it was Ask Men, and it was a guy saying how, you know, I think his girlfriend had experienced trauma, so they were going to have sex.
00:45:43
Speaker
She starts crying and he just, he comforts her and doesn't ask her for sex and they cuddle.
00:45:49
Speaker
And she was like, oh, thank you so much for being understanding that I don't want to have sex.
00:45:54
Speaker
And I was literally like...
00:45:56
Speaker
the bar is still with Hades.
00:45:58
Speaker
Like, he doesn't get... Like, oh my gosh, thank you for not raping me.
00:46:01
Speaker
Like, you're such a great guy.
00:46:02
Speaker
Literally.
00:46:03
Speaker
It's sad, honestly.
00:46:06
Speaker
Literally, the bar is still in Hades' ass cheeks.
00:46:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:13
Speaker
I got to come up with like a go-to list.
00:46:15
Speaker
I have to come up with a go-to list of all the like when the bar is in hell jokes.
00:46:20
Speaker
The locations where the bar is.
00:46:23
Speaker
The bar is so low it got melted by the magma of Earth's crust.
00:46:31
Speaker
The bar is so low even Hades can't find it.
00:46:33
Speaker
It is dead of hell.
00:46:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:37
Speaker
But yeah, but earlier, just to call back to earlier when you're talking about like men taking credit for women's, or when you're talking about like men, loser men taking credit for the things that successful men have done.
00:46:51
Speaker
I've noticed that, yeah, men always love to take credit for like Einstein or Tesla and so on.
00:46:56
Speaker
But they never want to, it's all, whenever a man does something shitty, it's like, well, not all men.
00:46:59
Speaker
And like, you know, not all men are like that.
00:47:01
Speaker
They don't want to, they don't want to take responsibility for that.
00:47:05
Speaker
Most men aren't geniuses either.
00:47:07
Speaker
So I'm going to do that every time a man accomplishes something, be like, not all men, not all men are smart.
00:47:15
Speaker
Okay.
00:47:19
Speaker
And when a woman does something bad, it always devolves into generalizations about women, right?
00:47:24
Speaker
Like, you know, a story about a woman like killing her kids.
00:47:27
Speaker
Oh, well, women do more child abuse than men or I don't know.
00:47:30
Speaker
Like they'll always find a way to generalize and blame women for something that a single woman did, like females behaving or whatever.
00:47:38
Speaker
But when a woman does something good or accomplishes something, it's not seen as a reflection of women as a class.
00:47:46
Speaker
So I just wanted to point that out, that standard.
00:47:49
Speaker
True.
00:47:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:51
Speaker
Anyways, next rule.
Men as Arbiters of Identity
00:47:53
Speaker
Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
00:47:57
Speaker
Well, it kind of goes back to my earlier point where men get to define their image and, but men get to also define what women's image is, right?
00:48:04
Speaker
If they want to say that they're responsible for everything and ignore all of the times that they're actually destructive, then men are, men are this, men are noble, men are this.
00:48:12
Speaker
But like, if you try to point out all the times that they're not that,
00:48:15
Speaker
whatever standard they try to or whatever propaganda they're pushing about about the male sex then they accuse you of saying that like you're you're a woman you can't possibly understand what it's like to be a man you're not logical enough to understand like what we're saying but when it comes to when women are expressing our needs and our view of the world they always feel like their idea of what women are trumps what our ideal idea is of ourselves
00:48:40
Speaker
And that's part of why FDS exists, because that's us punching through narratives that we feel like are just male-crafted narratives.
00:48:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:47
Speaker
And I see this a lot when men who proclaim themselves high value, in terms of value, for example, men will be like, I am high value because X, Y, Z, but then... I go to the gym.
00:49:01
Speaker
I'm fair.
00:49:01
Speaker
I've let it.
00:49:02
Speaker
Because I go to the gym or because I have a job or whatever, right?
00:49:05
Speaker
But then men are so quick.
00:49:07
Speaker
You know, the whole system of rating women on a scale of one to 10, right?
00:49:10
Speaker
Like men see themselves as like the arbiters of their own value and the arbiters of a women's value.
00:49:16
Speaker
And it's so funny to me when men get offended when women, one, define ourselves as high value, even if like men don't find us sexy or whatever.
00:49:24
Speaker
Like a woman saying, oh, I got a PhD and like she's proud of herself.
00:49:28
Speaker
Men will be like, I can't fuck your degree, you know?
00:49:32
Speaker
You know, they don't allow women to define ourselves in terms of, you know, like, say I got a PhD and I'm proud of it because it's going to help me.
00:49:39
Speaker
Like, that's not relevant to men.
00:49:42
Speaker
They don't see that as having value.
00:49:44
Speaker
But then if a woman says that a man, like men get so offended when we label men low value, right?
00:49:51
Speaker
Like they see it as, oh my God, you're dehumanizing men.
00:49:55
Speaker
Oh my God, this is a hate crime.
00:49:56
Speaker
They act like they've been subjected to a fucking...
00:49:59
Speaker
you know, crime against humanity if someone says that they're low value.
00:50:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:04
Speaker
And to kind of bring it back to the relationship aspect too, you know, we talked about this in like the coercive control episode about how men are often more sympathetic to men and in positions of, and people who have positions of power, they allow men to control the narrative of a situation, even when they're clearly in the wrong and when they're being abusive and controlling.
00:50:25
Speaker
So it's like men are always taken, men's word is always taken from
00:50:29
Speaker
as the objective truth yeah as face value whereas women always have to as face value and women are not trusted right exactly so women aren't able so the way that a woman might describe a situation the way a situation makes her feel the object even if she like tries to uh describe things as objectively as possible about this person following them her at work and all the other types of control they're trying to exert on their life it's still not taken as as valid as a uh
00:50:57
Speaker
viewpoint of the world as a man's view is.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:02
Speaker
They're always like, are you sure you aren't seeing it wrong?
00:51:04
Speaker
Or are you sure it could be this?
00:51:06
Speaker
Or it's always a misunderstanding or something, right?
00:51:09
Speaker
It's always a misunderstanding.
00:51:10
Speaker
You know, even going back to, you know, the stories like, you know, Eve with the apple or, you know, Pandora and that kind of shit, right?
00:51:19
Speaker
So...
00:51:21
Speaker
Let's talk about those lies.
00:51:22
Speaker
Let's talk about those lies.
00:51:24
Speaker
But go ahead.
00:51:25
Speaker
Women have been coded as like dishonest or inherently deceptive or, you know, immoral since like literally like the founding, like all of the stories in most cultures have some kind of story about women being at fault or the cause of all the things that are bad in the world, basically.
00:51:44
Speaker
I don't know if that makes sense.
00:51:45
Speaker
Wait, why did you laugh when I said Eve with the apple?
00:51:48
Speaker
I don't know my Bible story.
00:51:49
Speaker
So you Bible queens can tell me.
00:51:52
Speaker
Oh, because there's so many.
00:51:57
Speaker
Now, Savannah, help me out here because it's been a while.
00:52:01
Speaker
Since I've done any of the religious things, but like the entire story of Eve, in addition to the fact that she was like the one that the snake convinced to eat the apple.
00:52:12
Speaker
And that was used as justified because she didn't like, she like usurped Adam's authority by going behind his back.
00:52:19
Speaker
And there's like a whole narrative about this is why women are supposed to be submissive to men, et cetera, et cetera.
00:52:24
Speaker
So like, yeah, they, they set up these kinds of stories to always make it seem like,
00:52:29
Speaker
women are like the primary cause of men's misbehavior.
00:52:33
Speaker
Adam was a total little bitch, by the way.
00:52:35
Speaker
The story goes that God came strolling in the garden after they'd had their little illegal munchies.
00:52:43
Speaker
And he says to Adam...
00:52:46
Speaker
Oh, why are you eating an apple?
00:52:48
Speaker
And Adam literally throws Eve under the bus and says, she did it.
00:52:51
Speaker
Like, she made me do it.
00:52:54
Speaker
But actually, and this is... Then why does he have an Adam's apple in his lion-ass throat?
00:53:01
Speaker
And just as an aside, this is kind of what I took away from the story growing up, was that Adam got the harsher punishment for a reason, because he should have known better.
00:53:09
Speaker
So...
00:53:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:11
Speaker
Wait, why did he get a... What was the punishment?
00:53:14
Speaker
The punishment is... I thought women got punished with childbirth being painful.
00:53:18
Speaker
It was childbirth, but yeah, the punishment for men, actually.
00:53:21
Speaker
I actually scratched that.
00:53:22
Speaker
I'll take that back.
00:53:23
Speaker
The punishment for men was that you have to work.
00:53:27
Speaker
punishment for men get a job yeah get your ass to work that's what god said but then women got the pain of childbirth which he might have been right i mean yeah he might have been right about all along because we all know about what happens when men like don't have shit to do right they start like figure out women like ways to antagonize women or just be a piece of shit yeah and like why everything's women's fault and i think god was like yeah you need to get your bitch ass to work now
00:53:55
Speaker
I can't be sitting around here freeloading, eating up all my fruit.
Channeling Men's Energies Positively
00:54:00
Speaker
Like, okay, I'm convinced that the whole reason why ancient peoples built fucking pyramids and ziggurats and shit was because in early civilizations, like, the...
00:54:11
Speaker
Like growing wheat, you're only really busy like two times of the year.
00:54:15
Speaker
In the spring when you're sowing the seeds and in the fall when you're harvesting it.
00:54:19
Speaker
Those two times are very labor intensive.
00:54:21
Speaker
But in between, you got lots of spare time.
00:54:24
Speaker
And I'm just imagining like a bunch of guys sitting around an agricultural community with nothing better to do and just like starting shit.
00:54:31
Speaker
And so the leaders are just like, you know what?
00:54:32
Speaker
Okay, we need to find a job for these men.
00:54:34
Speaker
Kind of, yeah.
00:54:36
Speaker
We're going to start building pyramids and ziggurats because, you know, having all these guys with nothing to do is like, you know, a cause of social instability.
00:54:42
Speaker
Yeah, men aren't really neutral as a force.
00:54:44
Speaker
They're either like extremely positive or extremely negative.
00:54:48
Speaker
It's good with the bad.
00:54:49
Speaker
So like society, it behooves society to find some positive outlet for them.
00:54:54
Speaker
Yeah, it's like when you have a dog that's like just destroying shit and ripping things and that, you know, the dog train is just like, you have to like, give them a job.
00:55:02
Speaker
You have to like, they need something to do, right?
00:55:05
Speaker
Like you got to walk them.
00:55:06
Speaker
Basically, yeah.
00:55:07
Speaker
Give them tasks, mental stimulation, whatever, right?
00:55:10
Speaker
Like,
00:55:11
Speaker
That's what they're like.
00:55:11
Speaker
You've got to find a way to direct that energy.
00:55:14
Speaker
Anyways, we're getting off topic, but basically... That's part one of the 16 rules of misogyny.
00:55:19
Speaker
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00:55:24
Speaker
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00:55:51
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00:55:52
Speaker
Queens.
00:55:53
Speaker
And to all you loser scrotes out there who think you built the world, you are still useless.
00:56:00
Speaker
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00:56:02
Speaker
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