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6. Hva vil det si å være holist?
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I denne episoden spør Jannicke Wiel Renate Hetlevik Andersen om hva det vil si å være holist. Hva tror en holist på? Må man være holist for å være med i Holistisk forbund? Er det noen normer eller moral som binder en holist? Finnes det kanskje flere holister enn man tror?
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Introduction and Guest Welcome
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Welcome to a new episode of Holism-podden, dear listeners. Today we will talk about what would say to be holist. I have with me again Renate Hettlevik-Andersen, who is the lead of Holistic Forbund.
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So, welcome Renate. Thank you, Annika. It's very good to be back and very good to work with these themes. Thank you for your time.
Exploring Holistic Identity
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some talk about being holistic, and that there were some holistic people in Holistic Forbund. So I started thinking, if I had been with the Buddhist community, would I have been Buddhist?
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Had I
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But I felt like little bit like connection. I was like, I was like, meant so bra lis on the sha ah yeah I'm holistic. Maybe I'm holistic without knowing it. um that andconfi elist eli rene who isistic for but ah yeah yeah labor but ah lit is just over the uria the tanked of it it is a shoe Or not a like
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It doesn't mean that holistic myself as a holistic.
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at the same time, it's not a thing. same thing or At you have a for should take
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Hensyn og respekt og ansvar for helheten i valgene våre og så videre. Og så har det mange, mange uttrykk og former. Jeg tror ikke du kan se på utsiden om noen er holist, for eksempel.
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For det finnes mange, mange, mange holister i verden som aldri har hørt om Holistisk Forbund. Men som er, ja, holistisk på andre måter da. When you say it about finding a connection between oneself the world, having a feeling about and The whole thing about is that I can change and I can change and I can change
Holistic Connection to Nature
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and I can change.
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It's very important that that I'm a part of a larger whole thing. That's a big difference for me.
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So I think that maybe I can be for you. So you also see this with...
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No, some of the time was more of a thing. That the body and the body hang together and so many things. Or that we have a connection with the other, or that the other has a personal connection. But now it's been a bit of a, we call it, a bit of a, it's more and more anerkjent.
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We've said that the world generally is more and more holistic, or is for a large part of principle of handling in be year mut be The the or
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and I think And the idea is of course very important to um may contact my holistic for or that i ought don't considerly him We hang together with nature around us. We need to take care of nature take care of nature. What we do today will have an effect the morning and
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products in China or Africa, it's on the nature and other places
Growth and Relevance of the Holistic Movement
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in the world. The thinking about the relationship, even if we don't always manage to live in the relationship with it, because we don't have a good perspective.
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so there is like a consciousness about it. So the movement movement pregated by a holistic thinking. What do you see in the movement movement?
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yeah I think that maybe...
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and more and more. Because a part of movement has come out of specific real problems we need to solve. And part of it has been out about vitally solutions. And part of it, it's not all that
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to they allowed they sayia a listen um
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has like or or
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Can it be that the Holistic Forbund has hot more focus a bit there, because it was to create a for it we call it life-synstilhørighet and so But
Values of Holistic Forbund
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for example. So it's not so far to them if they are in church or humanitics But a lot of people who have a more
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as a greater part of its focus, so it's important. But I think that it is in our platform. This with ecology, with power and with resources and so on. So it's always been, and it's very big part of Holisses Forbund we are trying build on. it's actually a room that's very much bigger than it has been seen as, or has been seen as.
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And that many people can hear home. I understand what you say. Maybe even the ecological world-synes, or the synes of nature, for nature should also be able to take us on a way of looking at the earth has value,
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like yeah for bla of hos and for gift you want some poum de con shahanam mis vdaioi <unk>x is very productive we're very good martlus lumbru we're very good ah think cash was to beho for and liins oregganer sch salloman wilhar and butgan saho and there's some yeah but for the ah dna so yeah so opposite um If you choose organization based on
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Absolutely. So a men who are personally Christian for example, or of the environment. And it's not necessarily right for them to make themselves in a holistic form, because they might like to define themselves as a Christian holistic, to say it so.
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and and the elephant that he had So on the holistic that they are holistic.
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Absolutely. I think there are many holistic people who don't know about it. Or maybe they don't know about it. It's not way to say that. I was going to say that when I came back to this, it was long time ago.
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ah so it wasn't a holistic concept came to as a word, as a merkelap but I came to absolutely myself I had a living experience of myself as a part of a living experience so the inner experience was holistic but didn't have a merkelap on it so I didn't have a holistic foundation that I was able to be with in the start so the word was little fremmed for me it wasn't something that which knew as a word, but absolutely as real experience I'm in.
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in them may I understand very well the for for concept of holism?
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but gidy yeah but Is it to be a holistic? Or is it to be a need for that mennesker to be a holistic?
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Yes, that can you say. I think it a little...
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like bovo <unk>io let the or some comminkashuns mass and a I to signify that we're in a sphere of life-levels that we're in a whole life-level.
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ah In the same way to reductionist, for example. a la so nahan ah So it can be a 90, communication-mess- And but also this with identity and fellowship.
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For it's clear that when a Buddhist meets a Buddhist or yogi meets a other yogi or a Muslim meets a other Muslim, so it's a feeling of recognition that can be very good.
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A feeling of fellowship and connection. and also the fact that you have a common common understanding, or at least some common understanding for something else.
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And of course, the be
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That can affect conflict and separation. Yes, it can it. And menneskene are so many, we are so many, we are so many, we are not many, we are so many. But I think that...
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marcohimacovio da ka man mea thank you i what
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When you're holistic, all part the so di milu vden or familiarie yeah milieo v barn vardon or or sonni anything or my um plant on that we at the of with the kaliliz on or that we don't want to live completely up to all the ideals we would.
Freedom in Holistic Identity
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We don't want to take the take the right time. Or maybe in the economic time, not the economy to take the, for example, e colog is caal indian scholar up and sometimes isn come um days on the
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But then I think that There is the holistic perspective of the whole. It's not that no one can do everything. <unk> here or take your box in the bottle or the val like um and this be a layer new web We it sit and goshi mon pude so for we left at conskimoning
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And there I think that the beisstgjuring and that bit of man mayism with this sp bigre but lot money and will he still um d thing and ah yeah but an org till or please this port the fla has a of fun santo sat vinodo me milumru gallamma just for waling a or Ornid things, or medicine, or food, or food.
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There are
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And it's fantastic. For you know that but de eanttois flu forreto vietman ah Flere felt blir tatt vare på. Det er krefter som jobber på ulike ting.
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Samtidig er det en holisme, en forståelse, en omtanke for helheten i bunnen av den. I stedet for at vi alle skal prøve å gå rundt og tikke alle boksene. For dette vi ikke gjort mye vertu. Det liker jeg veldig godt.
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like very good what in the Buddhist or a yogi and you can feel like it's other people who a certain way to be on certain way or you can feel like to themselves, that they should on certain way, for now call myself something else.
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So if we can stop to have all the morals and the rules, whether they are self-pollied or on the other, then it's much more freedom and much easier to call myself something, because it doesn't mean to say that holistic, so now I'm moralist forplicated to that always have to deal with ekologically, even if I don't have to do it, or that I always need to do it the same or the other.
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It would be very free and novita and yeah i come the notice so so got to I
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In the holistically, the holistically, the holistically, the platform anything we build on, there's a definition says a at every person is to it, and we're talking about but directly.
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And what you can, but motorti two lipo in stole and take the whole time of the important bits in the whole.
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So if you can be the most possible thing, engage in your life,
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and to have a collective collective support, especially eating in some do so my name m perde hetrust the interest, for understanding, and knowledge, what it
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is for you, arede so the did they traditional ah youlyss forman vin you a
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you no hell he sort the thing was we istantelo sin not ta de volganner like what ah see office on that alesser in ivania um uliki inur dear year rovalmon passval but system for so complex long camps arera say yeah but ah do eggs here thing for shala bla but u li de and meta naa act like a ulic kittingy or ga but yeah al on the With this we will able to make a greater health.
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It was very nice. yeah I yeah thank you kind of shirt flair viunna ter or think or decon i fullyed ah also for myself while there p ratel e vat in kili yeah thank you art for that
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it's not our high thanks brother theford so will it make me a little bit more nervous about what the holistic world, the holistic menace, the body so they are ya andnael hol elhar holistic for example between menace and nature,
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or the relationship between body and body, that makes me more open for the other dimensions of autism that I haven't really thought so much about.
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o And I'm more concerned about the other people.
Invitation to the Holistic Community
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the onreman skinner and that they define themselves as holistic, but they can't hold with anything else. What do they think?
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What do they think? What do they think? What do they think? What do they think? What do they think? What do they think?
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It was no one who a you,
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Yes, I think it's a little to get the effect it has for example on you. so that's a day so to get so word that you have not thought before. thank buer alsora because re know of alipo plus so um say some manhan i And know mal ma lu uliqueid i yo aul li the ra of pal tomaconnox and youngs so and So I think that often it's just something that word can do for us, and when we use them more and So we them more and they get more and they get more and more.
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So I say thank you, I wish you a welcome to study it. they big rep yeah you to ski out and am I must say that through this conversation I have gotten an increased trust with it. I should not say that I was scared, but I put myself in a box? Tør I go in the identity or box where was a little...
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I'm almost like a problem with it, and activities. But suddenly it's like, I'm going to a
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So, yeah, I have to... It's that it's not something that's... definta non itra mo um but grand sal of andcalevo petel sante em mi mar barre and vadibos when you on all red sarah vrden poor at the hill here le or some the it
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I think we can invite all the scapholists out of the scap. Welcome the scap.
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And if you find a way to the Holistic Forbund, it's very nice to be. But we also want to work with Holistic Forbunders all sorts, who are not necessarily members the Forbunders, but to work with the people who work for the environment, who work for the free and the people who work for the non-dogmatic lives.
00:25:35
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That we can have fellowship with all of them who have the same understanding of the people who are a of a larger whole. It's what we want to work for. of the vallihi guli is but um mayor laman you the victory near the yeah you are yeah kid and holistic understanding of the holistic understanding of the holistic understanding of the world.
Conclusion and Reflections
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We take the collective and personal understanding and have a more the whole thing. So
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balevvally or offend for holello who tell me massaabba do ti had poor ah ladiesel Thank you for the conversation, Renate. It was very nice to talk to you again.
00:26:42
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Thank you for your time. Very Thank you for your time, Annika.