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14. Vannet og elva som etisk subjekt
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I denne episoden av Holismepodden snakker Jannicke Wiel med kunstner, musiker og politisk aktivist Jessie Ullevålseter om verdien av vann. Vann og økosystemer har en egenverdi og bør regnes som etiske subjekter med rettigheter, sier kunstneren. Her forteller hun også om seremoniene hun har for å hjelpe mennesker til et nærere forhold med naturen i og omkring seg.
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Introduction and Guest Motivation
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Welcome to new episode
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Jessie is in Akersjelva Jessie, now I will hear more about you. First, you have a member of Holistic Forbund, I'm interested in what made you a member of Holistic Forbund?
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yaha hi also i'm an talk ferra de ofvaha e podcast me isis forbo there are some complex men mengan ya Yeah, for
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a yeah so of yeah Every single part of the dimension the lack of knowledge. way you can use it for the whole.
Artistic Journey and Personal Challenges
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the hell yeahra and he her ne lips the holistic scal or what you call It's a really room but with a very deep search for earthly, which I'm very familiar with. We course where we learned to lead grav-fear, hielse, navnedag.
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or ah were known there, and and rituals a good time.
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Now we
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yeah Wow. It all started well for me. For I am a art artist, so am a constant search on many ways. But I in the country. was young when I was born. I was very young when I came back.
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And it was difficult for me to integrate myself into the country.
Connection with Aker Selva and Nature
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dabi tagovaar the ak sheva or I to I I the but also the human world.
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menlesss kivari baumhain ah The was easier for than with men.
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and I developed a very personal relationship with Aker Selva. the way to, regardless of how I came,
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And also finding a to also mantra to follow Elva to the skill of And I can go over to the same part of the picture and get led to the big
Philosophy of Shamanism and Christianity
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circle. And get very strong relationship with the whole part of the whole.
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tildentu reirna at till shi ah yanam or forli stack ah for all team and the of he somala avama um So this has been my research in After having been a long time in the world and been very excited to exotic philosophies and religion,
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um so um So was very important to be able to understand myself as a person from the Nordic.
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I see the Christian as a sort of shamanism. and developing and sophistical chanonism European alkemi. They the tree-enigheter.
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Vann is the element in the world that has three phases. So I have out very much about what it means to be a of vann, or through understanding what it would be to and
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which can produce damp. For my other promote the only leather would be theten sho producer du to provoce and only and a she some acon talkedt me a with the and through the water.
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If you see it from Arabic, Can it be a she is just like Om in Hinduism, it's first frequency.
Symbiosis with Nature and Politics
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Ma is water.
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So it means water-on from Arabic. And we are born from water, from life-mores-water. Maybe it's not back to støv we should, but back to water. So is...
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It's a very rich topic. I have a very spennable perspective. I think about how the earth is always fast. As you said, the earth is in different forms. It's a very warm form. It's a very warm form. It's very warm form. So you have both the fast and the very eteric aspect. It was interesting when we...
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We can or a human being.
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one no or then sung in then the apropo de mi the men noturda And um my had left the for and other things to other things. But the song we call a song, which I really want ah e some eloggue is kutan list or overhater also some and simbi te still standard I or In my experience, when I'm standing in the meeting, I'm meeting you and a different element in the whole, or a different part of the whole,
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There is a symbiose and a frequency. For me the is that we start sing in the symbiotic tosteads with the omverden.
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And then the elves came to a meeting elves. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh e e and simio the sketchti last me learning o dark come then el viloque iad notel as so you
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It was not a I had to write for.
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an intention, learn an intellectualtan ne then but opto weristo see ya the were elva some song den timma or... song dan i and num min them ah but a story e e n hats laho then i thought The And listenbu test tiltan so I when
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I love how you call the elf for her. You have this personal relationship the elf.
Nature's Rights and Ecological Responsibility
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also I like to go into the regardless of temperature.
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But it's very difficult to go into a symbiotic situation. Even though I into a
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<unk>ous extra disc tis them or de someai liy vli gotmadeao We have a to the for And and What can be more than that?
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It's more likely that through
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so yeah I think that it's interesting for me, because I'm not only working with Elva because it's my personal experience, but I'm working with the political experience.
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or so or the since a several interests song that would av woman the he cut for for latin on the comafra or some ere leard de bituroen mut And new was onar man for all some I that i would on thiskani die pour the
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m So for me is this, to un or thena side im not their ad and it'll be and a so i write for me is it How do we do it? How do we do it? How do we do it? I it's very exciting to use the concept of religion.
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But I think also that
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Nøkkelen i å koble seg på det som er brutt er å være totalt åpen. For for det. Man kommer jo med et åpent hjerte, og så åpner man seg på det også.
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at I think it's important for to to and and on an open and receptive way.
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But it's also a very important thing for nature. At we will be in nature, at we will open ourselves for nature, at we show respect for nature. And Aker's Elva is not...
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I mean, you have a system that has been very balanced by the was your political engagement in the Elven?
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eve There is to the diary i yeah had the martin molverity that the mo been be bagles some hundred um they wintervened parking i tukranin in norga also by iospal um moter a for the hell of the fjell. We talk about hell of samus fjell.
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and ah so um for the aobemet I Erik Myrhaug, who is a no-eidi, also a samus shaman. And so was presented for the one fjell, Akas Njortje-Sherrington, which was made some green certificates, but in reality it was very beneficial for the local society, for the rain and so on. And so we also have another guide, another shaman, who comes from New Zealand. She is Maori, a vanshaman, and there is a famous elf who has got a person-righteousness. And it would say that
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ah What is shocking today is that nature has no rights in the system. It's understood as a right object.
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And it's just the subject has rights. We it. It started with the European white man. <unk> and aotta ah be to me then i repair a skill least call as on a on um firststein i read them on some They made their rights for their own business and business plan.
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For actually, the Aksjeselskap had rights for women and children and all. Today is a the are are nature has not. even hard there So there vi u or aed in my first time I thought that this is very good for the samiske image of the hellish fjell.
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In the end, I in New Zealand.
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and I
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and But after that I at I have seen that, and to say it, but
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status,
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but they don't have the right to they are in still a hegemoni that hangs again.
Activism through Ecological Rituals
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It's strong stigma, and it's not academic, for example. It can be set up as new age. also wc new age was a ael libarlu It's to do it, and to dybden. It's appropriated, so But as you said,
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when you're in foreign leva in c e for the be the thing or freshster And it's natural for mennesket.
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ah So what we've tried is relevant. I work with GARN, Global Alliance for Rights of Nature, which is a
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there we stopped Now it's not that I to the all not It's not to van the liu is the home view of somewhere that
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But nature is a ur-kultur is At I must connect to the element I I And I I
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Because then we don't create ecological circle where everyone is a political intention to the law it would say that
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popper opp og skjer rundt omkring i folk
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It's interesting and progress with the law is that you begin to create a system, a ecosystem, and not a antropocentristic. ocent riskkque first all so there you see ya In the work, men are work is not on the scientific fact that men nature and
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loveva catalog its some um men ki would held alean the pomp plan art where riki fin no art We are a little pregated at the Christian thought that men men are over nature. We have use nature, use nature, and overuse nature.
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I think it's important that we give nature back to the right. I was shocked when I heard that they had to dump a large amount of damage from a weapon factory in Asker in Oslofjord. And today, where you know that Oslofjord is dying, that the life is true, that it's too many alg.
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I think it's a bit of a shock to think about for the planet one from the arten that You do
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is
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Yes, so as I and for my son there are For a So what we try to do in these rituals is to begin practice where you actively participate a bigger picture.
Art, Shamanism, and Community Rituals
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And all the work with the precepts, it came out of that was a artist who had no contact before, but was asked to make an increase-sorgritual on all the helges, with the idea of helping to help us with our own family.
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and or game ah soas at the the nos kuhitka however vi clear overros ski ma And for heard um thought the va for the mini of um man I the and the the
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um ki dad organ In addition to a ritual, we have a new priest from and
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ah there i would there vi provero the de at the like can o bark And
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separate from this. I'm talking about my own belief, but it's the and nosnaky ramin eggin true kama sitramin notto de hell the um so de u i o or log yeah there are kind of complexes it clear ato ecosystem ah started in samad exclude that You can't exclude anything from the system, it's all right there. No microcos it is, or a little bit of a soap, or if it's a fuel. And the same do with the 11th.
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We are on the top of the religion. I must say that it's lot of people who are empathetic for what we do, of course. But it has been a very exciting meeting between shamanism and christendom, for example. I have been invited prester, symbol of jord. And so...
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also so um and they have been able to stand together. But what has been so strong and so strong is to stand together with the 11th together. Because all the dogmets are made to side. For no one can't make it for the moment we stand together.
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or of clever rather than rec terro and to call it.
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But it's something completely miraculous. We, through ritual and ritual, are just a preparation for to connect to the big picture, regardless of how we do it. So we can...
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and so become new We have it used poor at the scholar kibli and sali blumly of at stocroimum de were viv viti at barro and kept for storieys inside egg in hat
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But when we are together in we are experiencing that we are the same. The same love, the same symbiotic state. people have been initiated through these rituals without we actually need to includeangirro talking about how we have been able to so a activism, we have talked with advocates,
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um
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ah we are have a slave philosophy of the biharha the yeah the harvardard vmong yeah in ah e is the femo and
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As a the They been the very art.
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voriccu snopootta We work for it we feel like we are so unites about it or for we are not the each other with will.
Music Projects and Nature Metaphors
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and yes sister that the hi I this Do
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have a fast experience, but it shows that I have done this
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and the 22. March. We hope that people will be with us on that. We often have done something on solvair, on høstvair, under eko-week. It has been very often. But I am also very excited about that people a and loved them money i yeah i also really opted out folk They are inspired by ritual.
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I don't want to own this form. yeah I want to that manifest, or it's activism or anything.
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so and diabo is to see had ah the unan muslim and scarably in the depth So I there me. And it's just a pleasure for me to do that.
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With intention of being initiated and wanting to continue working together. for shutta and they are buy that some I think it's very nice. I think we all have to have to be able to get our contact with nature. And when we come near the sea and the sea, we will also come near the sea and the sea and the sky and the sky. And not least, ourselves.
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And on Instagram and Facebook you're there. yeah Instagram is jessuller,
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watermusic.
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You can find me on jessujackuller on Facebook. You can find me on Spotify with song And the band ditt is...
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I have a that comes out with an album called Minnetaler in January. There are songs B.R., but there are also many new songs that are a theme for I'm writing music that has a metaphor from nature, but that is about being in same way with nature, and the speil with nature.
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or ba maltuun ah ovare in bubumanoune or merzza cell yeah the spla mannotue So I hope you take a look at all of these songs are already closed. Band it is called Moon in Moon. And then I have also a other band, a women band, called Rosenrot. And there we have album called Plantemødre. there are also many songs that are talking about how it is to be a man to meet nature or nature in us.
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say that Thank you for inspiration Jessie, and good luck with your work as a artist and a music artist.