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18. Det livssynsåpne samfunnet
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I denne podcasten samtaler Jannicke Wiel med Toril Nikolaisen Kilde som er Holistisk forbunds representant i Samarbeidsrådet for tros- og livssynssamfunn (STL). Hva betyr det at samfunnet er livssynsåpent? Her får du høre om det viktige arbeidet STL gjør for å øke dialog og samarbeid mellom de ulike tros- og livssynssamfunnet, og hvordan vi i dag kan få bedre forståelse for hverandre som mennesker i et multikulturelt samfunn ved å møtes med nysgjerrighet og åpenhet.
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Introduction to the episode
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Welcome to a episode of For Lysse-Nut-Pod. My name is Janneke Wiel, and Nikolaisen Kilde.
Welcoming Toril and discussing STL and open society
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who has been with Holistic Forbund for has been my for
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Welcome, Toril. Thank you, Annika. It's very exciting to be here. We will talk about STL and the open society today.
Toril's journey with the Holistic Forum and rituals
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First I want to how long have you been a member?
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ah I'm not sure how I've been a member, but I've been member of six orderda i hope puomicid the mon yeah forlia speak called the on le it wasning it among it word ah or
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I've always had a holistic forum, I've had so much of my own stuff that I first had to do it for a holistic forum and be more active there.
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What was that made you a member of the first time? First to break ritual, which you have been with on ritual-educated. It was this to do these fine ritual rituals in life for people.
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Namely, ceremony, vigself, gravfei and I have my experience with.
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or then oh And openness and dogme-freeness that is in how we can create ritual in a holistic form. no Will you tell a
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ah atiki was still there there are or that you call it in umlia I and
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and My own journey. A combination of that I first took my first into how
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some only the only i buy this song some kin and i e yeah then it would um it would also we called it in in monta liquortu of sal noon that a and where and my sense ne thou and thing i was chiing na see also story like oh god doning she you when what become laws in spirit and find ceremonies that are also on line with
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Winter solverv, vår jevn døgn, sommersolverv. and the other in
Community interactions and cultural connections
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this year.
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We find many many places, and we have our own contact with it in our cultural culture. You have
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um offered us some artist we know if some art have done it either three nogu a will they and gohi do mis de foridling For in and and
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It's for the heart, for the heart, for the soul, for the soul, and for the heart. It's a pretty good world to be in. We have arranged a market for
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We been doing this, and we have been doing this on big business, and we have been doing this on big business, and we have been doing this on big business, and we have been doing this on the summer and going to these beautiful stories and going to these clothes of linen and oil and silk.
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ah And while you have the very special interest, you also work as a teacher.
Teaching excitement and multicultural meetings
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And now I'm a teacher teacher at Oslo's most popular school. And it's also so exciting to work with theater, drama and dance, and see how we can create ideas and find a own
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for the children who also to are our
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Now we're going to able to make something that is a big topic for this episode of Polism-podden. This flere-kulture-möth. And what Polism-forbund has been engaged in Here you are our representative of STL, the Råd for Tros and Lifssyns. We had a is?
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Yeah, STL, the and of a something the
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good, trygge rammer for is And it is also really with us to able to make the mangfolde.
STL's role in fostering religious inclusivity
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ss so the hova valer nadiang in the aha of vima pair high mernodi some but rep present andant but this forburn or but sited I has you are the the sit or
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Yes, orthodox, and humanist and holistic. So here it sits around the same board, on the same meeting, with open and open people with completely different religious backgrounds.
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Some are atheists and don't know about the gud in the whole time, and others call them with different names. and like a feeling of a feeling of a positive attitude, a positive attitude, openness for each other. It's quite unique. Is it not so that they say that this is very special, that we have got this to in Norway?
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Yes, both in Europe and the world, it's very special that we have got this to do what STL is.
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the room we create together no ah hard i sala theaf traditionally sit somemon was just at beandros andhava please said edit team maette episode that border kar act bes and fer soar the said adam mata vol literallyli sit manda orto theandra or sia that and ski me your nurse on them there i or he a verina
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but um Et word that you have brought up in several reasons is the life-syns open society. What does it mean, Toril?
Life-syns open society in schools and society
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The life-syns open society is that we should now develop this at the the open and open for each other, to the offentive room, in school, in the society, so that we can live.
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rather than either friendli room is schooler is something ah the and of the other kind le without any polarizing between us and them. We are all a we. As I can see eleven ne means school that v that either eleven subjond or like or the are they either to be yeah are a sink in this, will create
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Trygge rom og gi en mulighet for
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It's like Oslo has a the And the government has come out this year with a own strategy for the life-syns open society. And that the the we the
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who
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We tried to in the secular society.
Secular society's approach to religions
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It's not mokachiva wo conra minby tankip of woodund that the de leces or na someener a wa aunt and not something I the a or for is room for everyone.
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At it is allowed to practice different religions, at it is open for it. At it is not like that you say that the state doesn't want to decide on which religion you should practice, but that it open. I like the word very well. It's a place for everyone. It's not just that you're talking to it neutral, but that it's more room for religion and life.
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and the livevokin waters from sdl five at the month for the poem there are on vi monold's fistists And it's a the same in the world. It's a pleasure to be with each other.
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And people who want to come, this is on a offentic stage, and all can come and talk about different religions and see some kind beautiful... o no question of flo The Ethiopian church had nice dance on scene last manfoldsfest on Grenland. It was very awkward sang with barren.
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oh Many fine... A great joy over manfold. to be able to share a joy over it. It's a important part of the create it.
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How do you think you can create more open life in school? I skolen, ja. Now it has been many discussions right now before July, about school-groups. I don't know if I'm going to see myself personally about that, but it's interesting to see how it's been engaged in the game. And so I think how to... In my school, it's so that the teachers are going to visit their children with for a visit to different people.
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oke shit kid movira for forishcent me um or a school inside you vy strength at neuch millsa or they are first storeber longigagon and to
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I've been able to get back to the end the year. I've been able be a bit more careful because many learners are afraid that this can work for a few years.
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But to seek a the the in their own life.
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I will, with two school in Skien, which will be more about Holistic Forbund.
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They met us at Mangfoss Fest in September. yeah and will hear more. So I'm glad I'm going to be able to communicate with the school. To come to a visit without being for a bit of a bit. Yes, that can be.
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And that the students and the teachers can come to different truths and truths. Maybe that can on It's a I the and and and or values and thoughts that are in our life-syns-sum.
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yeah
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In our society, as a whole, has now seen our value of SDL's work. I was glad when I heard that they were sent to more money on the for the for so and
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What do you think is the most important work that STL is doing? no Yes, one the examples of STL Oslo is both in STL Central and STL Oslo.
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the the will also to tin or um destroy it a check food fairly high o de lo gunaim milum rigile or ell gu so shiva It has been a very fun and good process that has been brought to fine talk from religious leaders both from church and mosque, which is able to provide accept and the room for that people
Self-assessment for societal harmony
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are scared. So many are.
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sunar conma miapo or orut be the accepting room so dr yeah folk are sha the so not at moon are there And it's like that. for. This project is very important for many.
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This what I see. It's often that the But is there something that makes it aggression? To be able to assess yourself, I can see myself as a part of a society but have open, romslighet, and a tolerance for others. That we do the research in ourselves. That is the beginning of the society for that we can live in harmonious relationship with others.
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yeah um they pull to sc and popoli a naian neson of esel sit albao I heard that the politicians say that the truth and life-syns are very important anker, or a place for people who are in Norway, who are not primarily to the state of the Norses. For example, And on the same way, many who have a
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in connection to the mosque, maybe where they are most of the most of the people, because they can speak or meet like people. And that it will be a important way to be able to go from the state to the individual, to be able to go through the trust and the life-syns-sum. What do you think about it, Toril?
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I think that the state, or the government, or the department, it's not just menes for such words, understanding from government, which glad for
Government and STL collaboration
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we have.
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Because it's
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then aic tap The important both for
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or ma me to the wholeled on that end we'll start for an o And so if it are the it secretary of STL when it happens to difficult things that are being taken to Olysium.
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on And it's a strong understanding. I think it's fantastic that of the world. For example, when the state of the the first time that it was the first time that it was for The first time of the
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also lives in some It's very nice that to al and the so
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that it is like that it will be a support to the different countries. Tidigere was just the Norsk Kirke that had it. So it is a development that happens continuously, and where we the very new days of the last 10 years have seen a huge change in the experience of the different religious groups and the life-syns-sum. What do you think is...
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How do you the the I
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ah you then be more strico you before reward tough driver so It's uboniliti nooenski tre the for. the Where there a polarisation that happens.
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And the best way to We take good care of each other. Both the small and the small.
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There is also a community organization in and through yes at shefi pacificic vi mepo e cellle murder e and moscae or we and vi marta vi imvising there or emmaentia un dominosun gopa schooler da ru onla and a tar a mayor baerki vi rika and it gives you something phenomena but I think I in
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Even if we call God with different names, and even if we call different books for inspiration, there are that is common.
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my artistly of area ah the heo murder somehid to high eyes she pull from an egg in them mongo riki santo saha we For it
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and i in'va schman scalli or a gle the so little daily you know we this left We share the But also it
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the first store the he near ely and on little bar It's maybe more wondering for my part. It's not accept or to accept it as I often do in ceremonial and in nature. That there is a huge force behind it. It's not to be known a person. Yes, yes.
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Or what would it say to be a good person? Maybe it's something we can invite the different communities to as dialogue on Zoom or a meeting where we can talk about things that are more powerful. So we can be a leader of the dialogue that already finds out between the different people in STL.
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of the hell and the other people who can come forward in good men's meeting. It's really exciting to see the of the questions about what a good life is and what good man is.
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What a good giving. I
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I can that
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ye shallly have to orlida or insect for sickka So I'm a true-fast STL-er. I'm a holistic, then I'm a STL-er. I the
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when we can start to them.
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work you for Holistic