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5. Det holistiske menneskesynet
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I denne podkasten snakker Jannicke Wiel med styreleder i Holistisk forbund, Renate Hetlevik Andersen, om det holistiske menneskesynet, om hvert menneskes unike plass og rolle i helheten av samfunnet og verden.
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Introduction and Renate's Background
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Welcome to
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Thank you for being with me.
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I'm Janneke Wiel and a series of conversations here in Holism-podden. I'm very excited to research Holistic Holistic Forbund's thoughts and many exciting people with exciting backgrounds and exciting ideas.
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or and mom is been a tankque So I'm very proud to have you here today, Renate. You are the leader of Holistic Forbund, and have been there since March 2025. You have been with Holistic Forbund since the beginning of the beginning, when you were gathered group of people who would make this forbund.
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or ah yahar mathai some kufmanlade And a
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and you have a great background in foundation, both with practical work the foundation of the foundation, but also with the many attributes that the foundation Can you tell start the foundation?
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Yeah, you ah makes sure so far siona the al the of art and so-called so can always I I was a Christian, so aistence on that it was there my first place was first.
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But
Transition from Christianity to Buddhism
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I came to... Yeah, it was on the way we were learning other religions. And so all the other religions presented as a sort of failure.
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So a failure a wrong failure. I felt like was really a bit of a sin. And was not right. And it was not true. And it was actually my exit out of... had more Christian learning, found Buddhism, and at the or
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And I would just say that when I found the humanism, then I landed. Then I was living the world, so I felt like I was a little bit and could communicate with everything around. It was a long now I was fiend and we would be able to come to here, but it was a living and integrated.
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So it was very my personal stature when this was started. But I was also
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I got in contact with Eurasoma, was a farg therapy and a high energy and a lot of things. so they over their heads on but for is get the you super um tough later on was without an eby comium mi da it water ofinlile raunallo um but forto ultimately little So I of initiative taken from...
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Øyvind Solund fra Alternative Nettverk og Inge Åhs og forskjellige andre, så inviterte de
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um Gjennom flere samlinger og arbeidsgrupper hvor man jobbet, between these meetings and land at the end of the a large
Uniting Diverse Beliefs in Holistic Forbund
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platform platform.
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And it was a little difficult, because holism is very broad and you have some holists and some of them who were with, who were almost almost humanistic, but were very focused on environment on the ground and on the breadth of the people. And therefore I didn't know that I was not in the way.
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and the was gonna say this on a
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push on mayor shamanist, shamanist-relatered jordspirituality and trommer. So it was a interesting thing to create this, for took initiative for they did, for that proud of it that was created the time. And so... um I was a and so child. And so I got a little swing out of the one.
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So now I was almost able to start my own. And so confirm. ahquilaine i mean arscelota con fromerraza and then she would confirm her holistically.
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She and her sister and but we not So we had tola to contact the to be very helpful.
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play ro inho be ah don I see
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forburnermanumtain and so I
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ah flore all ah confirmation supply much internt, which was on place.
Critique of Traditional Religions
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But all of a sudden, not very few people who have heard us.
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So there it's a
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manskasum ho den we call it uvi tolevissa aden yeah know was a valleylimon and ivo mela mala valleyli mogannnadi so ma meostoterat mongannadi so yeah nova dr multipleess for but ah you masco simanana hall pass only onlioplava andnolas of barnitoa universal ah mere le ebena and debbie and obleto plateel lot manishishhanana again also manisably a promoter for to ferantta shiir the on lelaisttore de mauror
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It's life that is in everything. And religion is not right because they are not to limit them. They don't have a dogma. They don't do it.
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so
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Very interesting with this background. I'm going back but the beginning of the 2000s. I met and then foundation. What he told me was the foundation would offer different ritual. That was one of the reasons for the foundation.
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In addition to finding people who had interests in the alternative. myself had been in India many years, been very passionate about indian philosophy.
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For me, when I about it this I just want to be with it once it started.
Holistic Forbund's Network and Worldview
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And I think it's fantastic what was that started. It's a network that could be able to gather people who have different backgrounds, different values, different different things.
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document and not monoly through true but you of the mobile no mayor and there are and
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I think that the Forbund has done a great job many plans, not least with nidlige ritual, but also to create a holistic perspective, a holistic perspective, a holistic perspective on the world, and a more holistic life. Today will talk about the holistic perspective of the human perspective.
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or Now we are very excited about holistic of holistically. We are
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ah novi snuck it um who is me photoal tell
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I have thought about how humanism is very important in Europe and which have I'm a very much thankful for it, because we talk about menaceousness.
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And oh there for us who are in Norway today, it's maybe a possibility that menaceousness has a value. But we don't need to see very long to other ideologies, like communism, socialism, where menaceousness can easily offer people, because it's a bigger goal, which makes a lot important goals that make a man not really much more.
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but ah and So humanism is something that ensures that we as menons are being taken to the holistic human being, it's more than just that menons have a value.
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and scarhar and vadi Here is also talking about what the people are in a bigger whole. So can you say a little about men's part of the whole?
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What is the whole? Is it the whole? What is the whole? What is the whole? What is the whole?
Connection Between Humanism and Nature
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and think we started with an Olle Brom.
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Yes, thank you. We are a part of everything. There are many there as among yan We are part of our family, we are part of our local society, we are part of our society, we are part our world, we are part of our nature. All the first ones, the humanists are like with us, we are also part of our own standing.
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And I'm very thankful all the work they have done. just want to say that, as you say, I don't think we always know how cool how much we have to thank the boughs for.
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But it's not enough for many of us. he hear knock with hang on de man won telodeoda ah holistic com at the room for wendyde me montello We a And a conscious living nature. Many of our members people who...
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m to identify holistically on different planes, has very strong connection to nature and the world's life in nature.
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So it's an aspect of the holistically human or the holistically human being on the world and on the human being, that we are nature and living nature, which is being able someleed maybe that because we can say. there's ah orce you are only a dimension wound And we call it. Often it's a a words, but
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orrila that willism maum is nodo mis ah no is nokyto qand blaoc that anybody sometimes i askingmonng ye but button spell our um man ski beda who was on so may And in a self a
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or a sense that exists out of cloud i list us um yeahhode sowali long fa and bevistaman man for vallimong and our war made la moeir no only de maoon de the there aherriorg here hat now poppoinno furless are some new attavaopiannole val rucumenterti you've eaten scarp And
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There are no other things that you think or feel something that responds to body, or the thoughts feelings of the body are a expression for chemistry in the body.
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So it's really great topless to talk about the and
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or vice widowdos not come man this kiss you in a house soil a ol lemanisscar horse sin unique e And the in this whole thing. Both family, local society and and nature and so on, which we don't always know can set finger on or can describe what the whole thing is.
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But it's like a ingredient or a krydder a description. It's about, even if you normally know under is kind single out of the and with so it's itself so
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And you take it the of what life needs to experience.
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Or what life wants to experience.
Unique Confirmation Process
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And therefore it's not the same generation of people who have never been. Because they should meet completely different problems and the So
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yeah some sorry my yeah ma ones forre mis nada vi mr de conant I yeah the confinant that came all were unique. That's not something that's normal. So were very opposed with their unique and their own own. And it was a very difficult one.
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ah problem off disc for the other but we can opt file it something that was a special thing, you met with a nysgjerrighet. What are you actually doing? What are you in
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What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts and your goals and your way to do it? And I followed the confirmation from the first time met.
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yeah from until the confirmation process came to the point where the formality was with the foreldre and all them. That they were lifting up was that each of them had a gift, something they would bring in e some in ivain um the which they would have to know themselves.
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sell ah So, is the difference between kristnekonfirmation, which of course is not practiced on the way anymore, but where everyone should be the same truth. Here is each one meeting as a unique person. And it was unique and interesting to be able to lift it up.
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And I feel like it's something special in this view of men's life. dash and norumma c yes dot e that the see in the poor mensk It's a bit like a different ingredient that I've talked about with this. And no confirmation, no group is like.
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And all these ingredients that go in the door, so we can make the right that is available from it. And so it's a whole experience. And so it's just like it's what it should be.
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And so I think that because we also exist in a very individual-focused A little inspired by the American and and you know will list dequeroand they
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We don't know what role we play for people. You can sit and think that it doesn't play a role. Maybe you're in a situation where you're not working or you're out there to meet people. In the way, I had noticed that I had been there or not.
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But it is it. but the adma christmas as warm of roman heart and familia mon futuovvan the wa no imposityvalharutold than think so ho piton ro live on leave one ho but ponobo mana hotana mono to classica commarrata monat lara ramona no
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mona rivert folks in elite you oncet have to mono a glow but a yeah sitta inna or puguson or to kombaergo even the as you not do all na for atlahanson satigagonmo did an ais say somea suerro there cla du goma some gu no and name peron so youre ratigo toen naen ain the vieti but maybe Yeah, and all this focus on being unique and individual, so it's about the in
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and the whole thing I'm a part of, and of course, how the whole thing I'm a part of, is that the whole thing I'm a part of, is that the whole thing? The whole thing. So it's like the puzzle-play we are, and you say, how we do it. We're doing it all the time.
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We're convinced and convinced. We're the whole thing. We're the whole thing. We're the whole thing. millioner of flere inntrykker than what we own the the for me
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It's that we are part of the way to listen to and even more than the fantastic life we live in. That we bring her in things, generally from the dimension. That there is a bigger whole thing we play ball with.
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When I think about holism, I think about connection between and the part of the whole part. But I also think about how the part of the whole part is to take examples from the physical physical part. How a foot-sone-trapped is to treat the foot and think that all the parts of the body, all the parts of the body, all the parts of the body,
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in the foot. Or a How the whole body will be in the part of the body and the del speiler the whole body.
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So you can, through the akupunktur or organ and all the parts of the body. or here like look themville comedy uric or soa yeah earn in a home man food And to a So in the body of the body, we have this ah the ta about ethics andpovona moncan thank yeah ah poor who is thisco essence some huoggra make them dare and some
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ah v and it some beasts it had happened and also would done men skis some and they le fail yeah will u yeah from a immensecumandela some and the uriy some from the menskymandea va uri yeah va ah or i up the item that also says that if I work with myself, it can affect what is around me. And does it to the degree.
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Yes, but you do sotiigro of fordivi here let evening also due the contraranian valley metaphysisque con up norman and not say thisy something heal itideden communicate and respond and react to each other. If I with the
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weno that that ah or ca a a a dog so frank aid And I that they could be very glad for.
Personal Development and World Interaction
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I could be very glad for it, but I had been much more reactive, and much more fast-closed, I can't say it's not a now, but much more fast-closed in few things that were not necessarily my own value. It was going to the path in the
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salutling oronli or my splo allly things as we poem are you or you ah you no mi me so you're at a yeah gear up and on And of course, I'm in family and so but also how we are in traffic buss.
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If we don't work with a lot of people, we often have a reactive pack that goes around and we fly on traffic. Or we go on the other way and we don't get in the same way. But the more you work with yourself, hopefully, if you try to develop development and not...
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and you can get it completely on so so reactive, and just be a on all the people we meet in the end of the day I think it's important perspective because as a person in society and in the world today we often can see little bit of lot of problems in the world how can I solve it and solve it and solve it and understand what we say that I a part of the whole am a part of the whole
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and da or hele na the la he yeah and I'm with on to help if I don't throw it in nature but throw it in the water, so it's a positive impact on nature I'm with on to help in the world I'm with on to help in nature I'm with on to create a positive norm that others will follow it can be so many ways we can help with that we are fredsworthy ourselves can we create more freds for relations and get positive reactions. We take responsibility for something that can make other feel better, which can make more negative reactions. To understand that I have a influence through both what I do, what I say and what I think. Because the contact I have with the world around me has a effect.
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or about think here orhiia or hittanka or so um the boost And do,
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If you let it be to help the person over the gate, then it's a big impact on their lives and their lives. Or if you let it be to kill out no one you want to kill out, then it's a big impact. And so I think maybe that especially in we
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There we can things
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But maybe especially when it's important to do something in the small world. I your own little your own life, whether you're completely alone create more the small
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So you say, a bit of things that are not for couple of things, it's to plant a little in the garden, and but fordeling and andogue for example in this country where we have a very small degree of self-perging.
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if it would happen. It's also a problem. which We don't want to in for big room for and society engagement on different ways, and that Holistic Forbunds rom both aspects of men'sly interests so men'sle ne ah yavi ana but get prime minister love the in the
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marcar in of wholiman's dog died at the of you have pour the ri tale of the sc scy and three my kiding Can it connect to this meneske-syn? What is it you think is important for us on Holismens day 2025? With a different markering?
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It was maybe a in helaen on there commentov felt the
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Selv her i Wall, relatively fred in the world.
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possibly the valme for where mod or so ear And for we have a responsibility for each other. And we... We can't even solve...
Finding Inner Peace and Handling Conflicts
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a part these difficult problems, the difficult conflict, the difficult things that are not all that one of us, but it's complicated. Many of these long conflicts are not solved in a day, but maybe we can step out of it.
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Maybe we can go deeper, deeper, deeper, meet us from place where we butstead or
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And that we can meet with the
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that we don't stop experiencing so much lead to what we create with our conflict tower conhi de conva or truelo fin and And be If we, we of
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They come often in a room of stillness. ah mallo woman commission of andvi yet busy water on prevoankov salt say no mar barre store some shan niport or of And be for all the living in the world, actually.
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Selv om mennesker var litt i fokus på akkurat denne markeringen. Så kom den formen og de tingene litt sånn til meg når satt midt i en behandling som du ofte Jeg jobber med kraniosokralterapi, så det veldig meditativt.
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Så det blir veldig mye mellomrom på en måte. Og da hender det at sånne ting kommer. Rekene, flygene, landene, eller hva de gjør for noe annet. So it feels very meaningful to see what we can find out of it.
Preparation for Holismens Day
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valippuloer but and afo disc go in and on tenly sumerta or kind of walkpower se could we continued I think it sounds very meaningful and the
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I wish you very much luck with the preparation of markering of the 16th of November. hope that this will be a tradition that will follow through many years. I'm sure that we will have more conversations, Renate. It's very interesting to talk with you. I think you're a great person with a great background.
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The combination of people of the people of the world and this and practical. It's a very good combination. thank you for taking time today talk to me and then I'll see you few more talks later. Thank you for that. And thank you for talking.
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