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8. Hvorfor ble Holistisk forbund stiftet?
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I denne episoden snakker Jannicke Wiel med Øyvind Solum som i 2002 var med å stifte Holistisk forbund. Fra miljøet omkring Alternativt Nettverk på 1990-tallet og oppstarten av STL, Samarbeidsrådet for tros- og livssynssamfunn, i 1996, vokste det fram et behov for å skape et forbund som kunne ivareta og representere interessene til mennesker med en udogmatisk åndelighet.
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Introduction of Eivind Solum and His Background
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Welcome to a new episode of Holism Pod. Today I'm so happy to have someone who can tell history of Holistic Forbund.
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It's Eivind Solum who started Holistic Forbund. Welcome Eivind Solum. It's a great honor to have you here today. Thank you. Very nice.
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So, Eivind, many of you know from the early 90s, when you started Alternativt Network and were the director for Bladet Alternativt Network. Alternativt Network was much more than Bladet.
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Many were very happy about it. It was a winery for many in Alternative Bewegung. Today you work as a political scientist for the Grønne, both on the local and local level. You have engaged in the Grønne politics. It's a long time engagement that has been there.
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Eivind's Return to Oslo and Career Reflections
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Can't you tell us a or maybe even before?
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Yes, I think we had to have to do more time in future, if I could explain it correctly. man yeah other a boy oh ladyia inniing pop port the lo to us do putting further also I and
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or I was involved in it, was arranger or an assistant for lot of the workmen, but many other roles.
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ah But so then went back to Oslo again around 1990, 1991. After thinking about what is good loft lovelyant but I the or that um mon no this sir kovalpupoan nowa massir teran someman here let di
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um but doia wow it's might not a faring's busy air speed it all ter vo sp head let's take things thedo up pattern they' not very body blaed ah It was a of things that were made in the way.
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It was lot of things that the meet more,
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finnitting or like well sought without they are not con these powerful for folk murderti me briti de so it's easier to maybe build on what's worth of these environments, instead of developing for themselves.
Founding of the Alternative Network
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And it was the start of both Blade Alternative Network, and quite after that,
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and conference center which had on camp with three or four different kinds of rooms where we had lot of activities parallel most alternative mess started the niitrea but some ah you ilepogansky coti books driblelist two about opal tvvaus andbuer canilov and and be
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before internet, that
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So it was a start for Alternative Network. To make this environment to be known for other. It's always been a part of that people should find their own way.
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There should be room for understanding themselves, room for understanding different ways to understand their place in the world. But also, wish we should engage ourselves.
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think that the How can we also help to be a part of the whole world, the whole world, the whole world. So that's in all a part of my engagement.
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I think you and your team were a very important and important force for a very big environment. And you got to engage in a lot dialogue between both people and people and many different
Impact on Society and Alternative Medicine
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environments. You could sit on each other's tour as buddhists or akupunkturers in a different environment, but you created dialogue.
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It's not that you say it's the udogmatian. The nysgjerrighet and openness. What you think? What can I learn from them? i show It's so incredibly fructible. I think that's something we see in holistic form today. And that might be a part of how a church-sumption will work, or a other church-sumption will work. Where it will be much more dogmatical in the form of visa ah through of foot is someoneman's scar ah besianna sate la lerisa no mar monskabisana satel so yeah thank you da do biske i madame nihar an or and is respect alternative network,
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and know well there's some well star fondper for but forbe its iddelogy the they have less little later. I'm going to go back it a little bit. I'm just impressed by the work you made, even though you were open for having
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ah salumarra but v ought for a ha ma Many people were maybe very special, had set uri long duten for the conventionion nela water every day which there e or sector and holistic thinking on agenda also in the society. I know that you worked for example for a natural medicine more accepted as a kreft-behandling, and that you made in-sats that I'm sure that had big impact on how the society, the myndigheter and the most people at the time began to open up more for
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Also the serious alternative or the sort but women scar for a fin a compliment ti and and life questions.
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about the effect things.
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So we pretty your first tried to encourage Kreftsforening and other researches to research more these mere what is the thing and so there was lot of desire for it. We didn't want to go deeper into it.
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In the way, it can be many reasons, but one of the reasons is that many of these medical facilities are dominant by the pharmaceutical industry and the thinking they have.
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So we started a own action for research on alternative medicine and kreft for more. We managed to get a lot of information and also got money on it, and we also got to first to the stylus, they saw that there was a change
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blind folk or this no or vol take de for So to do research on
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So you can say that it hasn't gone fast enough but you can be glad for the small steps you can take. It was something we did on several fields for Sobit, Even though we represented all the
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ah or in forhi or And the and then the year again of ni yes a the i target to speed it' all the couldn for wouldn square speed it all the tell let folks by bye that is for thank can i hope more
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But they allowed the ne for the in kobuki bar thatra oman also that from people in their own ranks. sort of So g so what fell de on sha de said put fra mi are mystic be we gleser it's an agonist to we the
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could you it,
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So they were more than just ah socialdemokratis ritual for valter, could you of the the needed.
Promoting Dialogue Among Belief Systems
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So were also with in
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There were a lot of groups, both of them called Emmaus, Paulus Kirke Grunneløka, which had gathered a little different, both buddhister and human-etikers, and other groups.
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ah Alternative Network was also with on the different process, like Verdikommission, Nansen School and around. We at Alternative Network took initiative courseer tale lets raang schmong in russiaheti aulla and bean somelet some da our i give a of the strid-fying part under Balkan-Krigen.
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ah So it was quite a bit of a hard work. also the bo tos decreased the matter <unk> and v for the like movie and dog and so i wouldankcom a week thought be sponsored our bed a letter hostility some ma because but no filegood there song program stealing and and the ya i didn't some there um limitmo divorce of home on that is cool and we had that met thepo him onnet is for billion so or didn gobla um So we are very important in was a part of this movement.
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Some of our group, don't know who said it, asked if we could have no minutes of stillness For not just to talk about this mental. um So Levy Fragel said that for them there to no wonder I in So you can say that it just the traditional church who could...
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was little dogmatic and a kind of religious relationship to his faith. So to go with. So from these experiences
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with conflict, a collaboration truth and follow up this dialogue and see if we can understand each other, even if we continue to think differently.
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It's so exciting that talking can arm laws they log forum net up comra die e alternative vivegu and up then you dogmotico hold me and do you have that till but radio or lift in further the The and to a dialogue forum.
Government Recognition and Funding Challenges
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And this work for the Tros and Life-syns community You will tell know it's now been a so-called famous organ.
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Even Minister Støre has dedicated more million dollars to this work. ah for next year so that they can drive on with their important work to create dialogue between various tros and living systems in Norway.
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So this initiative came from Grasrota, from you, and organization that has the state and the anerkjennels. It's phenomenal. I've been doing this on STL in the last year ah they are thought for mery as celll nor a the sister order after but are its unique somewhat advice to all the out of pace somon or up that in that that that you started it.
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Yes, both now and is it.
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continuer but fs someillda tele molier ah socontradera also so lot mono in the builder baer butde So, to have dialogue and see that we are all the same people, even if we are different, can be able to make some of these conflicts. And that we have seen many times in Norway, even if it's not necessary.
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and so much for wouldal monolo opera prayer and the it been able to operate.
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But when we started, there was a huge skepticism.
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um noki hikyard and ro The has the in and they basis, and all in a few areas.
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but sta on sli miss or moreby this is stavoliokla um on but like so i know me ja lu and
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podentine would flarewa but that's ah that's the con vial one fun to that I out it but law but like that,
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It's going to come with an explanation, to make dialogue, to have arrangements. Either it's offentist, or it's more interne things to be able to make conflict.
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And this has also been a bit of a more international organization. In the the
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we it down to network so for the Alternative Network, VMI, was the representative of the alternative in Best if alsomo of the more uformel innspill we got all the time.
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So, like well, it was the best we had. Because it was a Norge where we had the church, and the humanitism forbids was very strong. so avoid And then it was the spirituality or the alternative environment that was very fast.
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Both as something in types life and the environment. So, that forty the other people had to take this on a lot. It can't be enough to take it. There's a change in Norge.
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alternative network algorithms ben teden but equal so oil the yellow Alternative Network was in the But also they but a more, more, more, more backing for such a sort of place.
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It took little time, because alternative mennesker is not so easy to organize as some and ideas about how things should be. So it took little time. But like well...
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It was about 2002, ten years after we started the Alternative Network, that was established by the we had been reined various centers In different parts of the do. was a big process.
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andquito harlo call la inquitoja me le romansquiro or somethingtohel along no hu powerful quite up butta so one to process and or not the alternative that ko be vi octav or yu meg yeah son no nadi some ah ocav holisticistic For da, i deler av disse prosessene i hvert fall.
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Men ellers også da i starten, så ble det jo Inge og oss, så var den første who was elected and also the first representative after the Holistic Forbund was founded in the Råd for Tros- and Livsyns-Samfun.
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I was sitting there from 1996 to representative, but gave place to in 2002. So it was a big shift.
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It was incredibly exciting that ah the Holistic Forbund came out of the need for how many people came to Alternative Mess, how many people came to Alternative Network,
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only hat and then some hikin teatle bear and then some theliar yeah karkiist febona on the that so who When you started the Holistic Forbund, was it easy to get a member with it?
Growth of Holistic Forbund and Rituals
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Or was it something that was a bit crazy? The Forbund was never so big as know you thought it would be.
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think dr kil obli for the while you at very important reason to that some the
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But how did it get to the forum in the holistical forum in the beginning?
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It's both difficult and to get rid of it, it was not so easy. It's a challenge for many ways. It's very good way get a very good way. But it's still more slow. We thought it would be much more bigger because we felt that
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ah or be through developer school be me east for the yeah for develop lot many are not
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way, ways. You and I can go through on different things, it's the more holistical we've got. It's many. That's why we thought that this is more like a type spiritual agnostics could you say.
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At you or but And
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oh spirituelle agnostikere eller fritenkere, tror jo vi egentlig er en veldig stor del av den norske befolkningen da. Så sånn sett had vel vi av disse ville melde seg inn i og ønske å være med i Holistisk Forbund.
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I think you have very much right in that a large part of the norses population could have felt a very natural connection to holistic forum, if they had to choose a life-syns-sum to be with. And so it can be that they are on the other side so much free-thinkable, and they don't have to be able to stay together in a forum and a kind of fellowship.
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thank you dr adds as Do you think that Holistic Forbund has a but people?
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and killed mans yeah Absolutely. But you And so they might not even that.
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And so it's also this, that many, both Holistic Forbund and still, They have clear connections to the alternative environment, so it's easy to say. It's easy to combine holistic forbund with the truths or practices that the active are.
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So it's both a would be fremmed for people who don't feel comfortable with it. they medandra ah So it was like that it was a focus in Holistic Forbund at etabler new rituals. The name of the dog, the bryllup, the grave, the confirmation.
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Confirmation probably what was most of. But it was like that it was wish that you could have good idea all these. But also in these discussions, what was it? So or what at the dilemma some on a hob but nuia la da while who isisticky toile le also pa hol is dis for the burn for the score manda c other title it a but the on your premises, and what else can happen, and all that is like great?
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Or, do you this is a sort of a point of this,
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is that it's a holistic form that is more nuanced than it was, that is a total relativism that can almost go over fragmenting where everything is great, or is it something that we should support under, where you and I understand that we have a kind of fellowship to be on the earth and to support our lives. So, in way,
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butmod then drakkamp between the I you
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I think that the a togetherness.
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At we hear together that a whole where it's natural to take a support. at the same time there is a very high......and big open the room for thinking about what you want...
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God and the
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it's the of fe scop or the menskle for you one or and and instead about mayor not to so and and that track l cell di lamas from the some do be griev it or that like they combi oncely for nor ah inia ah finness i held yamma or atru the um the whos for But the
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is very very through-going. At you don't feel that the holistic form, or maybe alternative movement in the way
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the alternative beva e there ah
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for example, in the religious training. For the past, was the religious training, almost like type of... It was like a kind of kind a konfirmations training, which was in the school, and then at a certain point,
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so for lake east school levasia also for e round tispo the change where school works began to formidle about knowledge and religion on a completely different way. Do you know how this happened?
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It was very different, but we still delved with the action of the life-syns-fri-hets in school, Forum and more of the so right and a short some that be what they love men also on at risk for the burden or of layer of the I think that the church was not so much in the way that the church was very happy about living
Evolution of Religious Training in Schools
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in school. They thought that it was great as it was.
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um But it was definitely a important thing for us. And also, when we started to come in some books about little um new types of religiousity, so we have reacted to if just want to take off some type of sects or some rare movements. Here it was not just things that represent the new spirituality, but much more.
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um So, in a and maybe it could be but ti out the
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ah so school isn so del ges may be singing in proschooling higher forysco in le but need The had. for marshs being in take hit can so this bring you you to ho there so but we have volumelist the formos paragraph or such things the beginning.
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These things have been changed for a few years since. socon one see out the for shot to do this thing and provided save iroar there are no So the At least it's quite a bit.
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I think that when was in the they by itself. It wasn't the church or the school of vaism of a scotland and in the seeka the back that ah prira uli yeah and the movements on the side of the side of the humanist foundation important in the change, but also movements have been very important.
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I think that this has been a bit of a new thinking in the church. certainlyland there and kneeank thing in for It doesn't need to be a big topic here, but we see that the church in today is very modern in terms of other countries, and the church thinks on a very different way than the Absolutely, the church has done a very nice way in Norway, and in a great way it was so that it was the one that made you, if you didn't get dept, you would come to hell with it,
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speak adapts so the he at tower The type of thought was still quite strong at the time. ah poent the they want to go put tirada butlicy do mane And or or so sorry you no mayor at say um her monets for but however twi telo but full see no regard you bought alist qtu right veryard of men not pano soharda um ah um one istique vair ouvira meliquelo suaio vivauptotavo please up below dust And the say we
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In the 1890s, many in the church felt that church could be fattig. Christian meditation, what was that? It was not so very luthersk, at all in the same way the church was in the Norsk church.
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ah boy they talk to the They were allowed to do ritual. remember that a little bit about Catholicism.
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<unk> so or Today I feel like many churches in church see that we have to learn from other parts of the Christian Christian, but from Buddhist meditation or Buddhist things. Maybe it's like mystic in different traditions hard arm te lesser motor some mobile deliverin for uli some analytic to that letter but on sets for you liy pro for out of fighting and on head yeah
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and also for ni ri the le of nogovira but not on fe less menskly e se lamanda aha u liki traditional ne um make like gudu likiing on almaad This is the ones who still feel the strength of the tradition.
Future Hopes for Holistic Forbund
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yes I think it's very interesting how the church, for example, Fageborg Kirke has yoga-gudstjeneste, Sagende Kirke has gongbad, where people can come sit up on the they listen to the gong.
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ah we done this ah the way to go in the unm meditatitive tils um blair a is recognized as a way to open up for the church's own. So it has been a I what is your wish for holistic foundation for over?
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I yeah hope it will strengthen itself, that it will come more people to,
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I hope that you can get to the spenet where you can both find the ones who define themselves as alternative in Norway and the ones who don't do it and who don't necessarily trust in all the others, but who like well seek a deeper relationship and fellowship around it, at least now and then, and who see that this can be a place for wonder which I think a big room.
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And wondering doesn't mean to like or to trust everything, for I think it's not we should. I think it's great to be but where we can go further,
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support each other, what don't What that wo out tu i' put you dog matika ah hope yeah ah of thefo is column and the please know some list that in hermon is for burn just speed lets stay ri lot often happen ah de kibu for among immenseki so instead to
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but we will see what we or what we do will do. But it's all my hope. Thank you.
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Thank you, Evin Solund. Thank you for your wishes for the forum. for and want to find deeper answers.