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10. Holistiske overgangsritualer (uten video)
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Hvorfor trenger vi holistiske overgangsritualer? I denne episoden av Holismepodden snakker Jannicke Wiel med Tittin Foss-Haneborg, ritualleder i Holistisk forbund. Hva kjennetegner de holistiske ritualene, hvordan skapes og utføres de?
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Introduction to Holism Pod
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Welcome to a new episode of Holism Pod.
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will ask you a bit about your background.
Guest Background and Beliefs
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What is your background for interest you have in andola b overgan isritoile or e butism list disc for hollopoma pocket it had been eyed v oo mely youre still hurry um lua think to bapo fa me an off- based menor ah how the way across the dead and
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drink over the o to for and And I think we were able to talk about my family in what I would call it today as religion. Religion is not the right word, but it is the best I can find.
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And in the past I can't remember why, for there have been a couple episodes yes some fun avoid a mum how ho the hofi of power of stu or mela me thecion mo meli don't it and menhe live ah hair leave so think guy a hoocgra or proper multi tu or fur yeah in or ah first day at the ti on col
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heer in not turn so it na harm no it any wound sir heart that foralter not do yeah I nature. I for I my them and thought, this is actually my life.
Initial Involvement with Holistic Forbund
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So in 2012, I had my first meeting with Holistic Forbund. can't say I had been looking for anything else. I not belong to the rituals were my own.
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My first meeting with the Forbund was with the ritual. I knew that I was coming back again. Here I wanted be able it.
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Before I contacted Holistic Orban, had my network. I had a course. me and left dragja hide hall the occur sir As a therapist I also had etablert grupper and holdt ritual, which are in any way of bringing up with preg of tid and involvement.
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So me not fighting very to olive i would go ski but air my to
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So spennende, it's a big and important part of in different stages. But I know that you have in healing, work with healing.
Healing Perspectives: Energy Channeling
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For me, I represent healing the type of healing that Reiki is, ah or listening o elian scarpt till and and nahi some ah ah ira pen manosa eatten forrepppe at man kamalaerri and anashi sam a in Would you say something about your understanding of the world and human being? So you understand that, as you understand, is opinion for
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For me it's... It's what I give to, what I to, is to canalize energy. Healing for me is not something a healer gives from its own energy or from its own heart. The best healing is the we canalize. And then it's a picture of something that is inside us, something that is bigger than us, something that...
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when we can hente in
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A conscious a conscious of what we are a part of, what we have.
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and leadership, so my agenda has been Empowering.
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And to help people get trygghet, self-tillit, get back the old vision, trygghet, and it's all in the way I can help people to help people get back their strength, their trygghet.
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my adesa and kriman or yet before the part of our year in in kira seem to This is a nice description of the deeper view of these rituals.
Significance of Personal Rituals in Life Stages
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One thing is to mark a important step in life.
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But the way you take men's put them in their own life is very important. I must say for my own part when I'm church, which can be very nice,
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because of min egg and ah for the and I it to say a bit.
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but What to do you think is the need for alternative rituals to church rituals?
Holistic vs. Traditional Rituals
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Humanetisk Forbund has been an actor who has been able to do rituals for long time. It's
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Why do we need holistic rituals, Titin? yeah i I think what can we do to do so that other places. For me it's a very big value that we are dogme-free.
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We are open and included. Plus that we are mynding. the ones who are selling rituals. And that think is one of my most important things, which I call it empowering, in many ways of a school. We do it for but And one thing is the rituals that we know about in many cultures,
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which we also offer, namely a ceremony, a confirmation, a hils and a grave.
Transforming Daily Activities into Rituals
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But another thing is all the things we call a ritual, which the Holistic Forbund also offer our learnings.
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for oed the folk delo tar de bar ye gom but good and ku sco on be did it to example of a daily ritual?
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It can be simple as you can get a certain way of knowing that you take a coffee cup the morning until you wash it up until you go out on a tour.
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thing is to to hold on in the eye.
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But it's not just a vane, it's a ritual creates meaning and meaning in the day. So the easiest thing is to we can think that this part of the day.
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at in noroc no log which can give tone for the rest the day. Or, it's not just tour with a hund, but it's just a way feel contact with the mother jord when you there with the hund. To know contact with the hund. This doesn't sound ceremony, but we can think of the i that
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so heing a dog I think it's very nice to start the day with the type of awareness. Whether it's a meditation, or maybe you have a altar and for day.
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But back
Personalizing Ceremonies for Connection
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to overgangers rituals. You talked about that men's people need to get the power back. One of the ways that a ritual is in holistic forum, to get the power back.
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is to be with the ritual. For example, if you buy a name for your child, you can be with and there are some special lyrics or songs that are going to be um danospe di the siham scalia system manung nationskaings and the a Man ønsker å legge inn av ulike former for velsignelser av barnet.
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Og jeg synes det er utrolig flott at et foreldrepar kan være med på å forme den seremonien, stedet
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Is there any traditions or have is very important.
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certainly i am and bring the blessing in that so yeah since they help protest And others will not be able to do that.
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And I often do it with an ære. Instead of a ære, I use the word ære when I talk about barn. And I have experienced a few times when I ask the I have asked questions about, can you not say, ære?
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Yes, of course I can. If it is right for me, then it is a pleasure for me to take it.
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rutiner som vi skal ha med, så er vi åpne for også å ta med elementer fra religioner.
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yeah sister need lay of mucon valley may simply little bit than me sincesis fa I that can that resonate.
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I think it's important when you're in ritual, that it's important to the person's life or family's life.
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for example, that you can't love to give your children a Christian-oppdragal, which is part of what the father forelds when they take children to the church. So it's something that and the are it blomstres and everything that is right.
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And that's think that's a great advantage. That you can be be with as a bestie. ob bestenna washsh la but work rush like what boshlu And of words, what kind of things that use. That's what think is...
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in the holistic ritual. it is. And
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the a tale um minna when hell come hely sir that goes over in the than if it had been more upersonally.
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so this aside mon in voice a bar of fail did kihu me im inducted blair so va kidna sanian able lististic For ah So we got to make a ceremony for us.
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And in a all of the people in the big family sang.
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You are so fine, and I'm going to be able to do it. It was so strong to be able to make the ceremony and take away the love that came from all. the people who were in the sermon. It was not
Personalized vs. Traditional Name Ceremonies
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that But had been do it full of love and love.
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sha they hair to o sorry Many of them said that it was a bit strange and strange to not be in church but be on so-called name ceremony, they thought it was so good to take part of it and be able to give all their wishes to children on kind of an inderive way.
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in the lemo but they think yeah promise somelo which they now this is ceremonymon And not um million or men skinner some I to find their strength to give their wishes, which is what the blessing means.
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I would like to bring it in a confirmation in a church for couple of months ago. I noticed that and this ah umdo mana So the parents took pictures. I that of,
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but peton ah over seen there's a menel lada men also also storm i k see build the o nor how their feracousness yeah an schmong yeah ah There the priest but meie forlyky at all not that ah and room for engagement among those who are at the place.
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yeah I would like to say that we would like to use the fad-begrep and think I for all the places to be able to do a of the And
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and this there there's a for bitter here is cmon or vi mil per on wide also no on the one or two re layer of the all allver also do biscuti of it it all the ceremony of olivoel son like oh they can them and they are reformid law pinkd bombish me for salativeroivity I think that's our task.
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We of the family in a hielse, as a type of a child for a bride-to-part.
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but that I think it's a very nice way to engage friends and only to wish them well there and then, but to support them with their own family. Not only to wish them luck on day,
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for all us in ah uswiling of famelia little phototics i there go think you about a hum little ah andlic but then doin and could be there as a person who would like to think to obtain a child.
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I think that most young families in today may need a support. And to mobilize just the ones who are at the stage in a man's ceremony or a volunteer can give a little extra.
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than they have had. For it to be responsible, it works. I wanted to share it from a sermon I had in summer where word fadder was not relevant.
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But I had a different one for el o the named minister. It was a bit morsom. There was one in named as minister.
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We had a member of the minister. and even a justice minister. ah they avoid they more somebodyri for their fuck disckta bread the specific sad while they foren for butno ofber It for answer for.
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It was a very morsom vri, which I think can adopt more than others. It's not all that have jurists in family, but there are so many things that a child can need through life.
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but wosome for eljuna thank i have the to at cooper but the year in for the summer rob island um mena gofa gu butaner for in the east next mini easterncuer gu for al party but fall comeian nor he school love comedy get on of but am a in this ceremony on the year or yeah bla i see edgebe and holistically get outside and yeah I can say that it's what's next to my heart. I think that's the ceremonial we have been taken from in a very large extent through history. And in last few years, it's not easy to do the dead. It's also to others. And what I want to do with is to focus on
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um there yeah be drum of the a or they give food poor ah the thyad will is two camera off for the hi awesomeche so goard and This way the best winner rosmerel where si among the and while sal but is very in the and the ceremony see?
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How will the dead be? What will the dead be? What will the dead be?
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What should we tell about the of families, the dead lives of them, the
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and mean the taller If we think about the with and says something about the dead.
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And it's without doubt after the manus from the
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a part church's ritual. And it's not relevant to our harmonies. It's only focused on the death of the family and what the desire It's right for me encourage you to the of and do the gollyful just they laa the the olive lester pointer now i v know They feel that it's right.
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oh That the death will be able to give awareness to the ceremonial.
Music and Personalization in Ceremonies
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Will it or a song, or something we often hear from church? If the wants it, it's very natural to have song, song, song, or a song.
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But I feel very seldom. It has been more and more used to play music in the gravfeud I have the answer for. And there you can find very well with special melodies.
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That either means much for failion some hoed me for na de the the tone. A melancholy music. and bell fool is something that often we can't grå, or hear with in a grave.
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that died i was sub bitatedated first there's some moreavy yeah man get out andson ye yaba o tabulle da wi out from mefo see no ski off the get I think about the a process as a part of a grave. I like care egg and chevely go notably speak it's on ah sheer get off the song yet andda and so someing you know and ahtan or some vile ah of giy first and smile it
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ah It can also be something that is a little bit of hope. Something that is a vision.
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which can make a
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hard Do you want any hope you'd like to have with me in Gravferde? It's the most important thing I have with, for I think it's very much in my heart.
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It's the traditional gravfeu. For to put it on. If the besties, which I call them, will be able to hope. To say something about the body has been locked down, body has been living. Instead of the ordinary part of gravfeu,
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or is there the for their bomb there warmly they'll now and get out first side money Of jord you come to you I
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You are evishels energy. And just that think I think gives my hope and gives a completely different picture of how you actually work together. It's a symbol for giving hope. It's a nice symbol.
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I think it makes feel like... From the beginning of the
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bical absolutesol filata andchiroerriia ah some there some hogo put this mi killing at ari and the physical form we have known them in.
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But thinking that the is is in the sorrow and in my trust.
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I think it gives a sort of balance to the sorrow is there, and the one should go through. andk called mongoian um the We all need to go through the process of the anxiety, the melancholy and the tristhety.
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But to balance it with the hope the hope physical life is done, but not life of the sjelens. That's important.
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So it gives a good balance. yeah And then it's a very good thing that the soul is on the way from the body to the body, and it's not a slutt, but a farewell. came up recently at the word adieu, which means to God, is a nice way to say farewell on, but also farewell. To have good reise on the way. That it's something we want the soul that will be in the body.
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lana so and scared hardly do for the holistic scar of a gangri vi that and sky off forchester or tillbi some them more ah or read ru quickly orurli or forbera bobit tillberman ah think go takess the lower eye or um be cloud ra yeah had a folk of my example leyfog toss his getting in with we behind For I er økende.
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Men
Emergence of New Holistic Rituals
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samtidig tenker jeg at i våre ritualer som ikke vet om det.
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Verden trenger jo flere ritualer enn de vi foreløpig tilbyr. So I think we can build up more rituals.
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We are just talking about skillsmiss, which we have talked a lot about. And I think we are in order to build this as a gift. Because we have so much competence. We have so many good people with us now, who are creative and not just in the start, but who are in order to do very much work.
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So I think in a couple of years, Through the we are first very much more known. We have had many increase in ceremony on the areas, and people will begin to understand what we tell, what we represent.
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I think to a and some that have been in the relationship with it, through a good looking.
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ah ah yeah that for me acknowledge i have dispute of mahoette and mama' ceremony but down and clean somekafaa dar and and skira ven the ku moreva that and scanna liil methods na likaile in and the mamo owns and andkawa and they i when And is ceremony that is not very common in Norway.
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This with
Empowerment in Motherhood: Matricence
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matricense, being born as a mother, that you can get these resources from your neighbor right in front of the funeral, so that you get lucky wishes to the funeral, and you get empowerment for it, but also that you get resources in the way you go into the mamma role.
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I got a nice ritual to me when I got into the overgangs-altern. made me feel like I got into the overgangs-altern got into the new phase of my life.
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over da go and they overgo solve there and yeah nor oca then and yefa na leave me bleor a market of field oh that's a yeah lot of at least um before i to forty said this umrealed avagaia some ah da i love anddea then build log you skip process And very
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With the competence we have, and
Gratitude for Holistic Ritual Development
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to I
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I think we have a
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Thank you for theroile by the wonderful work you have done with developing and developing the ritual for Holistic Forbund in so many years. I wish you luck with your work.
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Thank you, Michael.