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EPISODE 103: SPORTS ARE TERRIFYING
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EPISODE 103: SPORTS ARE TERRIFYING
Are you ready to play BALLS with us? Listen in as we discuss some terrifying statistics and stories about SPORTS!
HORROR IN THE MOVIES
THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME (1932) and DEATH RACE (2008) have us biting our lips with anticipation…
WHATCHA BEEN WATCHIN’, BITCH?!
Listen in to hear what we’ve been watchin’... bitch!
PRO SPORTS TEAM? OR NAH?
Can Matty guess if these teams are real or not?! Listen in!
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Transcript
Sports Intensity and Political Overtones
00:00:01
Speaker
Woohoo! Yeah, go get him! I just love a good sports game. We just gotta win this one. Balls are so important. Yeah, we gotta kill him! Well, I don't know about kill, but we gotta win. Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant. Win. Yeah, win. Andrew, I feel like you're maybe a little intense today. Is everything okay? Oh yeah, all good. I just really need a win. Well, it's just a game, so, you know, just, you know, calm down.
00:00:29
Speaker
Get them. Rip their heads off. Drink their blood and mail their genitals to their mothers. Oh my god. And then take their teeth and make sensational earrings we can sell on Etsy. Oh, uh, okay. Well, everyone, it's episode 103. Sports are terrifying. I am the writing on the wall.
00:00:54
Speaker
I'm Marjorie Greene, and I approve this message to save America, stop socialism, and stop China. Thank you for the honor, team, from Life to Desire! Woo-hoo! Power in real life.
Motivational Speeches and LGBT Sports Enthusiasm
00:01:08
Speaker
Doubters, the doomsters, the gloomsters, they are going to get it wrong. Power up their memories. Where are you going to go? Where are you going to run? Where are you going to hide? Nowhere.
00:01:37
Speaker
I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning. It's like a pass that needs to be caught. You can't use your shoulder to catch a football you've got to get your hands out there every night that I'm out there with my kids working.
00:01:56
Speaker
on catching the football they want to use their body it's just a natural instinct as a human being but you've got to learn to be able to put the ball in your hands your hands are what makes it possible your shoulder pads are hard to stick your hands are are are tender and they can move and press the ball that's that's kind of that's kind of gay but
00:02:17
Speaker
Welcome to another episode of Friday the 13th Horror Podcast. My name is Matty. And I am Andrew. And if this is your first time joining us for Friday the 13th Horror Podcast, this is the podcast all about horror. Horror in real life and in the movies from an LGBT perspective. And we are here with you today.
00:02:38
Speaker
part of me for our 103rd episode. Uh, and today this one is all about sports. Now listen, you know, I will say this, there is a, you know, I think there can be a misconception with people that gay people don't like sports. Let me tell you, that is not true. Andrew, would you agree? I have many kickball teams. We do. That is true.
00:03:03
Speaker
But for real though, listen, queer people love a bit of sports. They really do. Whether it's soccer or football or basketball or whatever, or rugby butts or rugby, I'm always cheering for the people that are the cutest in the end.
00:03:19
Speaker
Yeah, very understandable. No, I'm joking. Actually, I do have a great affinity for sports, but we'll get to that soon. Andrew, we've got a wonderful show planned today with two really great movies. I'm actually really happy about both of these selections. Death Race. I was pleasantly surprised. Yeah, for real. Death Race from 2008 and The Most Dangerous Game from 1932, which is that the earliest film we ever had on the show?
00:03:47
Speaker
It's either that or Dracula. I couldn't remember which one came first. And I think this one came first, if I'm not mistaken. We'll look it up. Anyways, two great selections to sort of fit into that theme of sports. And we're looking forward to getting you there. Now, listen, will I say, will I say, did we did we think about just reviewing blood games again?
00:04:06
Speaker
Yes, we did. Blood Games is fucking awesome. We hadn't thought about this episode when we chose that for whichever one that was, but damn. Fitness, yeah. It's so good. Two, look, if this is your first time on the show, let me give you a basic rundown of what we're going to do today. It all starts off with segment one, which is all about horror in real life. We then jump over to a thing called what you've been watching, bitch, where we tell you about some movies that we've been watching that are outside of horror or really anything else.
00:04:35
Speaker
And then we go into our movies and then we close it out with something, you know, kind of silly at the end. And I think Andrew has a great game planned out for us today. But we start with the certified terrifying corner. Now, Andrew, I've got two real life bits from the news that I want to talk to you about, but they actually kind of just are all part of the same bit. Can I can I just say really quick, though? That was a really nice recap of the show and I really appreciated it.
00:05:02
Speaker
Well, thank you, Andrew. Thank you.
Climate Concerns and Sports Horror Theme
00:05:04
Speaker
On to the certified terrifying corner. On to the CTC, as we call it now. Certified terrifying corner. Andrew, two items for you. They're both related to climate, which should be terrifying for everybody. The first one is heat wave Cerberus. Yes. Now, like how hurricanes have names, now apparently heat waves have names too, which is kind of
00:05:26
Speaker
Terrifying anyways on the heat wave server is the one that is really wreaking havoc in europe bringing in nearly the highest temperatures ever recorded on the continent the last week it reach forty seven degrees celsius which is a hundred and seventeen degrees fahrenheit.
00:05:43
Speaker
Jesus yeah in Sicily but the record and then that was that's been the record so far for Cerberus but the record heat for the highest ever recorded in Europe is 48 degrees so just a little bit above 170 inside it's like 120 basically yeah now the other thing though that I did I wasn't really even thinking about
00:06:02
Speaker
I was reading an article on Guardian about this woman who swims all the time and she was talking about how hot the water is in Europe right now. And so I forget what body of water she was swimming in. I can't recall. Like Mediterranean? I can't remember. It might have been a lake or a river even too though.
00:06:23
Speaker
inward lake. But even still, the temperatures in the water are in the 20s, 20 degrees Celsius, right? So that's like 60, 70, 70 degrees kind of. I mean, it sounds nice, right? But that's not healthy for fish and for coral and for everything else.
00:06:43
Speaker
Yeah, it's one thing to have a heated pool, but it's another thing to have fish and wildlife living in that heat. As the old saying goes, let's not boil the ocean, you know? So that's Europe, right? And then in North America, pretty much the same thing. So the highest temperature, I mean, there was like a 128 degrees in Death Valley, but Death Valley, you sort of expect that to happen, right?
00:07:08
Speaker
In Arizona, though, last week, it hit 114 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 45 and a half degrees Celsius. And that was after they had already been dealing with 10 straight days of temperatures in the 110s and Fahrenheit.
00:07:25
Speaker
So just a wild turn of a heatwave going on, you know, sort of all over the world. And those are just two examples that we talked about. We haven't talked about China or about Africa or about, you know, a number of other places. So really wild stuff. And just, you know, another scary indicator that climate change is really wreaking havoc right now.
00:07:45
Speaker
Yeah, it's kind of crazy. What I will say about Arizona, though, is those people chose to live there. Yeah, sure. I mean, I guess I'm less worried about them and just more worried about the climate in general. Yeah, I agree with you. And shout out to our good pod pals, the final boys over in Arizona. Oh, I forgot they're in Arizona. That's right.
00:08:08
Speaker
You live there. So, you know, it's it's it's really interesting. Like, you know, we've the past week for me has been like the past the past really couple of weeks. It's been it hasn't been our most pleasant weather here. We've had some sunny days, but like it's been, you know, fairly cloudy. It's been, you know, kind of rainy, but not it's it's sort of like Florida rain here. Sometimes like it's off and on rain. But yeah, it's what it's about. Listen, I will I will tell you. Yeah.
00:08:38
Speaker
This has been the worst summer of Chicago history that I've been here. Well, I mean, I'll just tell you here, like, I mean, it's it's really not been hot here. We've we've we've had a couple of warm days this summer, but I'll say this. I'm very grateful to be on an island in the North Atlantic because up here I'm not dealing with this crazy heat wave that is going on.
00:09:01
Speaker
Yeah, like I was saying, Chicago this year between the smoke from Canada. Oh, God, I forgot about that. That's right. The tornado weather we've had literally every week. And just like not hot weather like we're used to in in the Midwest of like our one respite from the rest of the year. Has it just been a really bad summer? Has it been chilly there?
00:09:28
Speaker
Um, it's pretty normal. Um, it's just, we have so many storms. We literally have like storms every week. It's insane. Like, I don't know, like, so there are a number of shows that I watch kind of like in prime time, like, you know, like at the, like a seven, eight o'clock hour.
00:09:49
Speaker
And because of all the storms that we've had, we literally haven't been able to watch a lot of those shows because the news is constantly being like tornadoes, tornadoes. Listen, listen, tornadoes. Andrew needs his entertainment tonight. Seriously. I am trying to watch wheel of fortune.
00:10:10
Speaker
I'm trying to watch E.T. here. Thank you. Well, look, it's not getting any better, folks. So my suggestion to you is you should have an exit plan as soon as you can to get somewhere that isn't crazy hot.
Personal Sports Journeys and Societal Reflections
00:10:25
Speaker
That's the end of your certified terrifying corner. Why don't we all just go to Costa Rica? Doesn't that sound nice? Yeah, look, it might not be the best place to go when it comes up.
00:10:35
Speaker
in terms of climate change. Well, I don't know. Exactly. Now, listen, folks, that's it for Certified Terrifying Corner. We're going to move on with the rest of our show. And as I said earlier, we are talking about how sports are so terrifying. So, Andrew, I was thinking about different angles to take when thinking about what to speak here, what to speak about here, pardon me. And the one that came to mind for me was thinking about kids in sports.
00:11:03
Speaker
Okay, so before we get into like your statistics, and I'm sure I'm sure speaking of kids and speaking of us, we're do you consider yourself a very athletic person? And what sports did you try and or play as a child?
00:11:20
Speaker
That's a really good question. I never considered myself athletic until right around my very late 20s into my 30s. And that's when I started running. And when I started running, I started to do it. I kind of just did it on a whim. And then I did a 5K one year, and then I did a 5K the next year, and then the next year I did the 5K again.
00:11:47
Speaker
And that third 5K, I like vastly improved my time. And it was that moment, I know that it was, seeing how I put in work and had a good output. It was that moment that changed my mind forever on like, oh, maybe I could be good at a sport. And so then I started to run. And as you know, I just kind of went nuts about it. I ran like countless 5Ks.
00:12:16
Speaker
uh, a bunch of half marathons. And then I ran five, I ran five Chicago marathons, the last one being 2019. And, um, you know, so for that, I do consider myself an athletic person. Now that's dropped, of course, as I've gotten older, you know, the pandemic really fucked with a lot of shit.
00:12:34
Speaker
You know, this year for me, I had a surgery and a pretty rocking shoulder injury that I'm still kind of coming out of. And also like if I'm being frank, like just moving and, you know, some really bad choices in life, you know, in terms of like how much I'm drinking or, you know, doing whatever. So like, you know, those things definitely dwindle your athletic ability.
00:12:57
Speaker
But you know, it's interesting right now that you're asking that question because you know, I'm I signed up for this like this like fitness challenge kind of thing. Okay. And it's not it's not like a it's not like a game and it's not like, you know, lose so many pounds and you're the winner. I can't stand that shit.
00:13:13
Speaker
But I just wanted to like get a little inspiration to like get moving again, basically. And it's been nice. And you know, part of it has been just like, you know, okay, I've got to do my stuff during the week now and I need to be, I need to be active and whatever. And so I've just gotten back into running, which is wonderful. And I'm doing a training, it's like a training philosophy basically called zone two.
00:13:36
Speaker
And zone two running, God, I'm really going off on this. You shouldn't have asked me this question. But zone two running is when you basically keep your heart rate at the zone two level. So there's like five zones for your heart rate when you're training. Yeah, so it's not like crazy. Exactly. And the second zone is what you would do for like endurance, basically. And if you can just, if you can, for me, if I keep my heart rate basically between 120 and 100 and like 54, I think is the number for me.
00:14:04
Speaker
That's my zone, too. And it's really interesting because like I have. Listen, we're not going to bore our listeners much on this, but like I've just recently gotten back to like actually going to a gym, like like going to the actual gym, like joining one. And I've been doing the three twelve thirty workout, which I don't know if you know what that is, but it's it's on the female, right? Yeah, it's three miles an hour at 12 percent incline for 30 minutes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've heard of this. Yes.
00:14:31
Speaker
And it essentially keeps your heart rate right around like one 50. Like that's kind of like where it is. So that's very interesting here that we're both kind of doing very similar things in different ways. Right. Right. It's the same kind of thing. And I'll tell you, like, you know, I use, um, I use, uh, apple fitness and I use Strava to like keep track of all my metrics.
00:14:50
Speaker
And Strava, I got to tell you, I highly recommend it. It's really worth it because you can upload all of your old stuff into it and then the way that it aggregates your data is so interesting. And they have this thing called a fitness score that kind of shows you just your general fitness and it ascribes you a score after collaborating all the data together.
00:15:14
Speaker
And it's just, it's wild to see. It's really, really cool. But blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All that being said, I'm really, I'm like genuinely really happy to get back into running. I know a lot of people hate it, but you, you know, Andrew, that I really do love it. I'm like, I'm like obsessed with it. So not being able to do it for a long time really was like honestly kind of depressing. So getting back into it just feels nice. It feels good. It's like a good way into it. And all of that being said, when I was a kid,
00:15:40
Speaker
I played no sports. The only sport that I tried to play was when I was in middle school. I tried to play middle school football and I resolutely hated it. I absolutely hated it. And I only played it because I thought that I was supposed to because my brother did. And my brother played, he played football all through. Oh my God, Michael played football, basketball. I think that's all that he played. Michael, forgive me, but I don't think you played baseball.
00:16:06
Speaker
So like, I mean, I thought that I was supposed to do it, but when I was in eighth grade, oh my God, I hated it so much. And all the boys in the team, like eighth grade is when everyone just gets so fucking mean and awful, you know? And I remember just one day being like, you know what? Getting changed. Yeah, I'm not gonna fucking go to practice today and I'm just not gonna go. And you know, it's funny looking back at it too because like it's so anathema to who I am. Like the thought of like, I mean, I was a lineman for God's sake.
00:16:36
Speaker
I, I too, I don't center. Yeah. I mean, like, do, do either of us enjoy being hit? I can't think of a worse sport for me and you to play, but there we were. Um, so no, I didn't play any sports. How about you?
00:16:53
Speaker
Um, so like you, I got into running later in life. I did three marathons, not to be confused with your five, but I did do a very hilly one in Michigan. If that makes any, that makes a pretty thing. Hilly marathons are fucking intense. The thing about Chicago marathon, folks, if you've never flat into it or run it before, Chicago is a wonderful marathon because it is flat as a fucking pancake. It's so flat. The only, the only flatter marathon is the Berlin marathon.
00:17:21
Speaker
All right. One thing I want to compare and we'll get on with it and we'll get into my childhood. What's your fastest time on the marathon? My fastest time was three hours, 54 minutes. And I forget the seconds. That's amazing. Yeah. Mine was three. Mine was three 39. That's incredible.
00:17:41
Speaker
And I died at the end. I don't know if I've told the story before, but at the end of my very first. So I had to run three because I had bad outcomes of two of them. My first one, I went to go sprint at the last hundred. And I did not realize that that's not good for your body. Not at all. And my entire lower half went Charlie Horse and I fell on the ground.
00:18:04
Speaker
That's what we call hitting the wall, folks. I did finish, but however, my second marathon at mile 26, I vomitly puked literally everywhere. Oh no. So by my third marathon, I said, you know what, Andrew? Let's not be hateful to our bodies. Let's just do it like a normal person would do it and finish. And that's what I did. And then I said,
00:18:30
Speaker
Good night. I'm not doing this anymore. You go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. No, no, no. But as a kid, so I grew up in a very, very small town and there wasn't much really to do if I'm being honest. So yeah, did I try every single sport? Yes. Well, did I succeed in any of them? No.
00:18:58
Speaker
I distinctly remember trying baseball and I was running from a third base to home and got hit in the head so violently with a baseball that I walked off and said I'd never again. I tried out for football and I was made fucking center, which is the person that fucking hikes the ball.
00:19:19
Speaker
Like, why? Why did it make you center? Like, because I was a husky kid. See, that's the thing. When you're husky kids like us, they're like, oh, just like put a put them in the fucking front line that they're the first ones to get rolled over by the tanks. You know what I mean? Exactly. And I dealt with that for exactly one season on on varsity because we didn't have JV because we didn't have enough people to have JV in varsity. That's great.
00:19:45
Speaker
I tried basketball in junior high and if you look at my basketball picture, you will see why I didn't succeed because I looked like an idiot. They did these photos. I don't know if you remember if you ever had this but they did these photos for basketball where it was supposed to look like they paused the photo right when you were like pulling the ball like you would dribble and it would like
00:20:09
Speaker
They take it right when you're palming the ball. I just looked like I was in mid dribble. I didn't even look like everyone else is standing up with their basketball and they look so strong with their palmed ball. I wanted to be in sports so bad. I wanted to be
00:20:28
Speaker
like really good at sports, but I was just only okay at all of them. You know what I mean? Like, and so I became the editor in chief of the yearbook instead. You know what? Listen, that in itself is a sport, you know, like, you know, look, I mean sports, sports can be, um,
00:20:48
Speaker
Sports can be wonderful. They really can be. And you know, like right now, for example, we're recording this as the Women's World Cup is happening in Australia. And you know, it's an exciting time. I love watching football slash soccer, however you want to call it.
00:21:04
Speaker
I think it's a lot of fun. I wasn't always into it. I got into it like a few World Cups ago, and I just thought it was really, really thrilling to see. Since I moved to Ireland, I went to my first rugby game a couple months ago with my friend Grania, and I had a blast at this rugby game, and it wasn't just for the butts, I promise you, although the butts were very nice.
00:21:28
Speaker
Um, like, and then, you know, like I, I went to Indiana university, um, and you know, a huge basketball town, it's a big sports school, but especially for basketball. Um, and like you, you just like it, I, it's, you're hard pressed to find anybody that goes to IU that like doesn't.
00:21:45
Speaker
even like try as hard as they might not to get into it like they all get into it like everybody does it's just like it's part of the the spirit of the town it's the Hoosier hysteria if it is exactly right and like you know this and that whatever and like i really do love like all like you know like like tradition
00:22:02
Speaker
when it comes to sports and like that kind of thing. You know, so those are all the good sides of sports. But then, you know, look, there are the dark sides, too. You know, we've talked on the show before about about about like sexual assaults in sports when it comes to like, you know, what do we talk about before that the women, the women's gymnastics team, we would talk about women gymnastics team. We talked about Notre Dame and there. Yeah. We talked about Penn State and their whole thing. Like, and that's a thing like
00:22:30
Speaker
There's a lot of like, so this is what I wouldn't, when thinking about this episode, I like, I literally had like a weird epiphany in my brain and I said, sports and religion are so similar that when used for good are really fucking good and when used for bad are really fucking bad.
00:22:49
Speaker
Yeah. And I mean, you know, like, look, one thing that we could have talked about in the episode today is the exclusion of transgender people from many sports, right? Oi, oi, oi. And I think, you know, for me, I certainly thought about that, but I thought, you know what, that's actually not where I want to focus today because, frankly, our listeners already know it. I'm being honest.
00:23:10
Speaker
And if you don't know it, you need to go check it out because that's just one symptom of the conservative madness that has overtaken America. But what I chose to focus on for this episode today was about kids. And I think it's really important because there's such a strong culture of children in sports or really any country that you go to. It's not just America.
00:23:35
Speaker
I mean, it's everywhere in Europe, in Africa, in Asia. I think what sports are deep down, what sports were invented to do was to teach kids a path. You know what I mean? Teach them discipline, teach them rules, teach them
00:23:57
Speaker
those kind of things. That's innately what it was for. Just like you were saying earlier, it's just something to do. At the end of the day, sports are supposed to be fun for people. It's supposed to be a fun time. Unfortunately, humans
00:24:12
Speaker
Um, just have to turn everything into a shit show. So, you know, it becomes, it becomes about money or it becomes about power or it becomes about this or that or whatever. Um, but when it comes to kids, um, in sports, thinking about how injuries occur. So I did a little research from Stanford medicine. Um, and, uh, they've got a, just a really simple, uh, webpage that just lists some, some really.
00:24:35
Speaker
some really harrowing injury statistics. And so I'll go through this with you. And maybe these are some that you're familiar with, but for me, I wasn't really familiar with any of this, to be honest. And so Stanford says that in the US, about 30 million kids and teens participate in some form of organized sports. And more than three and a half million injuries a year happen, which cause some loss of time of participation and are experienced by the participants.
00:25:01
Speaker
almost one third of all injuries incurred in childhood are sports related injuries isn't that interesting the most common injuries are sprains and strains so nothing too crazy right now obviously some sports more dangerous than others for example
00:25:18
Speaker
contact sports like football, obviously there's going to be a higher number of injuries there than like a non-contact sports such as swimming, for example. But all types of sports have a potential for injury, whether from the trauma of contact with other players or from overuse or misuse of a body part. So here are some injury rates, right?
00:25:40
Speaker
First off, more than three and a half million children ages 14 and younger get hurt annually. And this is in America, by the way, ages 14 and younger get hurt annually playing sports or participating in recreational activities.
00:25:55
Speaker
Although death from a sports injury is rare, the leading cause of death from a sports-related injury in childhood is a brain injury. Sports and recreational activities contribute to approximately 21% of all traumatic brain injuries among American children. It's actually lower than I thought it would be. And almost 50% of head injuries sustained in sports or recreational activities occur during bicycling, skateboarding, or skating incidents.
00:26:25
Speaker
More than 775,000 children ages 14 and younger are treated in hospital emergency rooms for sports-related injuries each year. Most of the injuries occurred as a result of falls, being struck by an object, collisions, and overexertion during unorganized or informal sports activities. Now, where do these things happen?
00:26:49
Speaker
which is also interesting to think about. Playground sports and bicycle related injuries, those occur most often among children between ages 5 and 14 years old. The highest rates of injury occur in sports that involve contact and collisions, we sort of already know that, and the most severe injuries occur during individual sports and recreational activities.
00:27:11
Speaker
Which is also interesting. You really would think that it would be during organized activities. But I mean, it just goes to show you that maybe we really are making strides in keeping kids safer. And then I mean, sports related injuries, about 62% of them, they occur not during a game, but during practice.
00:27:29
Speaker
Well, I mean, I'm just thinking like, so all your statistics, statistics, excuse me, are basically under 14. That's kind of like where most of these come from. Yeah, sure. And I'm just thinking like, well, yeah, duh, because we're all fucking growing and like, don't know what our bodies are supposed to do. And like, you know what I mean? Like, I mean, can you I from from age five to 14,
00:27:55
Speaker
how many fucking times i fell off of something like knocked myself out or like whatever like it was it was a million i lived in the woods like you don't know for sure but but i would say that the numbers appearing to be lower than that i thought they would be
00:28:11
Speaker
I think, well, we now have better helmets, we have better pads. Right. And also, we have better regulation, which I think is important.
Youth Sports Safety and Toxic Fandom
00:28:20
Speaker
And that's important in a world, or especially in America, in a country where you have conservative fucking freakazoids who are just obsessed with small government and with not having
00:28:32
Speaker
You know big government put their hands into this and that whatever else and once again, you know conservatives who just love to protect children. They would be the same people who would be opposed to, you know, really thinking through like how can we get better about protecting our kids during sports, you know, and they might be the same ones. I would suggest I would I would posit you might say.
00:28:51
Speaker
that kids should just deal with it, right? There are some sports specific statistics. I'll just give you a few of them here. Basketball, a lot of injuries. More than 170,000 children ages five to 14 treated in hospital ERs for basketball injuries. Baseball and softball, that is 110,000. Now here's the thing though.
00:29:16
Speaker
Baseball has the highest fatality rate among sports for children ages five to 14 with three to four children dying from baseball injuries each year. That's why I don't play it. That's the obvious stuff, the ball literally flying at you so incredibly fast, helmets not fitting properly, baseball bats that are essentially like killing machines. So just some crazy stuff there.
00:29:40
Speaker
Soccer is not quite as high. It's about 88,000 children ages five to 14 get treated in ERs for those. A lot of that has to just be collisions between soccer players because that ball doesn't do much. Oh, for sure. And then as you might guess, the sport with the most injuries would be football. So almost 215,000 children ages five to 14.
00:30:04
Speaker
So just a few stats there to give you some context in terms of thinking about kids in sports and how dangerous it can be. Like I said, I am actually sort of pleasantly surprised that those numbers aren't higher. Thank God they're not with kids for Jesus Christ's sake. But the only other thing that I would say is as I trail off my part here and thinking about kids in sports. Look, I think kids in sports, it's wonderful.
00:30:29
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You know, as I said earlier, I didn't really play sports as a kid. I only played, you know, football in seventh and eighth grade and well, seventh and half of eighth grade. But I really wish I could go back in time and do something that just felt right to me. And what I wish is that, you know, like so many other things. It's hindsight 2020. I just wish it would have been different when I was growing up and somebody would have said, okay,
00:30:52
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Football is not right for you. We got that. Let's try the other one. How about I'm going to hold your hand and guide you through this and let's find something else where you can find a home in your body. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And it's amazing how we don't do that with kids. We just sort of shove them into this and say, make it work. But if only I had discovered running when I was younger,
00:31:19
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I really mean this, how much healthier I might be for men. But look, that is what it is. If I ever have kids, I will make sure that I am compassionate when it comes to their sports. Yeah, but I think a really important thing to think about is that sports in general, they're not everything.
00:31:39
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And I think that what you found later in life is that you were more on the, you know, I think it's the right brain side of things where you wanted to create and you wanted to perform. And so I think that it's important to, yes, like shepherd your children into like trying literally everything. Like as much as you can afford, as much as you can find the time to do, like let them figure out like what they like.
00:32:05
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But if it does come down to, hey, I really like singing or I really like writing poetry, I don't know. Let them choose. They don't have to be everything to everybody. Oh, completely agree. Completely agree. I was just thinking when you were talking about all these injuries and everything,
00:32:25
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Do you know the injury that I feared literally the worst in my life? Breaking your arm? No, jamming your fingers. Oh, it's awful. Oh, it's terrible. The worst. I was just thinking about that.
00:32:40
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So let's shift things a little bit into professional sports. So I think that that's kind of every kid that plays sports, it's their dream. You know what I mean? It's millions of dollars. It's a job that literally you can do for seven years and then retire on. You know what I mean? It's a lot.
00:33:05
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But I think what we don't really tend to understand is kind of toxic fandom and like how that affects players necessarily. And just one thing really quick before we get into this is I just want to say, can we tax the NFL already? But that's all. It is ridiculous that those organizations are not taxed. It makes zero sense. Yeah.
00:33:31
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But anyway, so I read a very interesting article by Sierra Moore from the Sports Business Journal, and it's titled When Love Turns into Hate, the Growing Toxic Fandom of American Sports. OK. And it basically, I'll kind of break it down, but the world, the WHO reported the first year of the pandemic that anxiety and depression had increased to a massive 25 percent globally. Wow.
00:33:58
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And then it also goes on to say like athletes and their fans aren't absolved from being part of that statistic. And I think like what the author here is trying to posit is like these people, these professional athletes, they have such extraordinary ability. They're on TV most likely. They're making millions of dollars. And so they become more of an object than a person.
00:34:25
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And I think what we forget is that no matter their ability or their income, they're still humans and they still have depression and anxiety. And it only is escalated by being a sports figure. I mean, can you imagine if you are paid millions of dollars every year and you fuck up a field goal or you miss a three-pointer that loses the game,
00:34:55
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And I think what we forget is there are people too. We have to remember that yes, they are making so much money, but they're literally on the line for it for their entire lives. Without a doubt. Yeah. So just something to think about. And you can look this up on Sports Business Journal. It's a very interesting article. I don't want to go through it line by line, but I just thought it was really interesting to bring up.
00:35:18
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And I just want to add there, too, that, you know, like, look, it's not just like it's not just all of that stuff, but like they pay for it with their bodies. Like, yeah, I mean, and look, it's not going to be every single athlete, but the ones who are out there fucking doing it no matter no matter what sport it is, like their bodies pay the price. And especially when it comes to football players, traumatic brain injuries have been shown clinically over and over and over again to lead to depression and to lead to really bad mental health problems later in life.
00:35:44
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Well, there was the one and there's been a string of suicides in professional football, and it's just it's it's it's wild. It really is. Well, and there it even has gone as far as there was the one NFL player who became an active shooter. And oh, yeah. God, I forgot about that. Yes. And upon like his I don't know. It's not dissection upon his autopsy. Yeah. Was revealed that he had traumatic brain injury to his frontal lobe, which was like over time had eroded.
00:36:14
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and it just drives people insane. I think that's a really important thing to remember is that anything you do within fitness, within athletes, within sports,
00:36:30
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It's going to have long-term effects on your body, whether that's positive or negative. So just like do what you can with your body and don't let anybody exploit that. And I think that that's really important to remember. And we've exploited humans. We've exploited humans for sport since the beginning of time. So I don't think that that's going to change anytime soon. But it's just like, I don't know.
00:36:54
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It makes me think like how much damage I've done to my body by doing such stupid stuff. And we just drink. I know. And I'm just klutzy. But but yeah, I would encourage people to go read that article. It also talks about how toxic fans in like the last couple of years have we've even we've even seen this with like music artists. Like people are getting things thrown at them. Things are like people are their families are getting threatened.
00:37:24
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That's ridiculous. Listen, you should love your basketball team. You should love your football team.
00:37:35
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Don't do anything negative about that. Just make it positive. You know, look, I'm a very big Indiana Hoosiers basketball fan. And I used to be... But you're not going to kill for them. Well, no, I'll make a point here really quick. And it's this. I used to be a rabid fan. And, you know, just like, you know, your husband and our producer, Michael, was kind of the same way. I mean, like, we used to... We were so into it. And this is, you know, everyone else around me too, my brother, my friends, everybody.
00:38:02
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We were so into, who's your basketball? And look, I still am. I still love it. But man, if they lost a game, my fucking night was ruined. I mean, ruined. And my week was ruined. And I was mad. And I was mad at that player. I'm mad at that player. And I don't remember what year it happened for me. But eventually, my brain just finally flipped. And it went, you do remember that they were just teenagers.
00:38:31
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And when you remember that, you're like, oh my God, why am I doing that? And I'll tell you, ever since that very simple revelation for me, I've enjoyed the game so much more because now my happiness doesn't hinge on whether or not they lose. Instead, I'm just like, you know what?
00:38:48
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That's really amazing that they play that game so well good for them you know whether you win with you lose i don't even care anymore just go out there and play well and give it all you got that is honestly so interesting you say that because i had a very similar like. Just like revelation of like hey maybe you just there to watch.
00:39:08
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Like maybe it doesn't matter if like the fucking championship is on the line or like whatever. But it doesn't matter. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't. You know, like, you know, it's like it's like when Croatia lost the World Cup. And I'm a Croatian and my family is too, of course. Man, it was so disappointing. It was so disappointing. But you know what? It was kind of cool that they played, you know? And so you walk away going, wow, a little tiny Croatia got all the way to the finals. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. What a great day.
00:39:38
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I just, I love sports and I hate what it does to humans. I know, I get it. I think that will wrap us up. Okay, sure. With our horror in real life. I don't know if you have anything else. No, that's it. I think
Women's World Cup Excitement and Movie Reviews
00:39:51
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that's a nice little chat about sports. And you know what, look, I am, I'm looking forward to continuing to watch the Women's World Cup. I watch the
00:39:59
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I watched the Republic of Ireland, the women, take on Australia and Australia's opening game for them hosting it. And the girls played great. They were so good. Once again, they lost the first opener. And that's disappointing because I'm really rooting for Ireland this year, of course.
00:40:17
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And you know i could've gotten angry about it and said i said you know what they play canada on wednesday that's gonna be a great game you know so all the sports fans out there listening. I hope that that's how you look at sports too and as a way to really you know uplift yourself and even if your team loses you know keep a positive outlook there's nothing wrong with that.
00:40:37
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Yeah, I agree, and in the words of the Purge, let's not release, let's not release the beast, you know? Look, we always bring it back to horror here on Friday the 13th. Folks, we're gonna take our first break and we'll be right back with what you've been watching, bitch. Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby to get ourselves a treat.
00:41:06
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It's time. I feel like I'm a right carry right now, but yes, it's time for what you've been watching. Bitch, what you've been watching, you sporty bitch. And if you have never tuned into the show before, this is the the time where we talk about what we've been watching. Stupid bitch. And we just talk about things we've been watching. They might not be all good.
00:41:32
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But they might be bad. I don't know. I'm explaining this. I'm explaining it's wrong. But anyway, Maddie, what you've been watching. I've been watching a bunch. Oops, I'm sorry. I hit my microphone there. Sorry, folks. I've been watching a bunch of different stuff lately. And I will tell you the first one. Which one do I want to start with, though? I'll start with this one. I'll start with the bad one.
00:41:53
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The bad one is Black Mass. It's from 2015. It stars Johnny Depp as Whitey Bulger. Well, there you go. Yeah. Well, I mean, so hear me out on this stuff, right? So it's got Johnny. It has a great cast. It's Johnny Depp, Joel Edgerton, Dakota Johnson, Kevin Bacon, Peter Sarsgaard, Adam Scott, Benedict fucking Cumberbatch, Jesse Plemons, Scott Anderson. I mean, the list goes on. There's a lot of people in this movie.
00:42:23
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And the reason why I watched it is I just been like for the past few months, I've been on sort of like a mafia movie kick, which I just, I really like gangster movies. Um, and I was watching another movie that I'll talk about in my segment here.
00:42:36
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and got me thinking about just watching some other ones. And I was like, oh, you know what? I actually haven't seen this. I'm probably not going to like it, but let's just check it out. And so on Amazon, not on Netflix, as I had it listed on Amazon, I saw a black mass. I said, OK, let's give it a watch. And I gave it a watch also because the story of Whitey Bulger is what is what inspired the story of the departed.
00:43:01
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um which is a martin scorsese movie which is a movie that i adore i don't wanna hear anything bad about the party cuz it's fucking i think it's a fucking incredible masterpiece of a film anyways black mass whitey bulger should have been good you know boston mafia irish mafia all that kind of shit let me tell you what this movie fucking sucks good johnny depp like the makeup and the way that they did for him to be whitey bulger
00:43:29
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It's it's almost comical. I don't know how they made this movie and said he looks OK because he doesn't. He looks like a fucking freak. It's like a fucking freak. And on top of it, Whitey Bulger is a fucking Boston mafioso here, right? He's a Boston crime boss. His Boston accent is terrible. I don't know. Really, really bad.
00:43:54
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And you perhaps wouldn't notice it if there were some people who actually get a good Boston accent going. But throughout the movie, other people have a bad one too. Benedict Cumberbatch's Boston accent, it's middling. It's not awful, but it's not great either. Joel Edgerton's is okay. Peter Sarsgaard's is not very good. And it's a scrambling of other people that you're just like, why? Why did you cast this movie this way?
00:44:20
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I do think that the movie could have been good with different casting. I really do think that. Like, I just think Johnny Depp as Whitey Bulger makes no sense. So it would be interesting to see if they had replaced him with somebody else, who that would be. I don't know if it would have been better. But look, that's not the reality of it, is it? So look, if you're into gangster movies, which I am, let me tell you, if you haven't seen Black Mass yet, you can skip it. It's not worth your time.
00:44:47
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Hmm. Yeah. I just know I listen. You heard it earlier in my in my discretion or in my disgust. I'm not a huge fan of of Johnny Depp past like 2000. Yeah, sure. But that's it is what it is. All right. My next one is or my first one, I should say, is the Super Mario Brothers. Wow.
00:45:09
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Listen, if you know our ages at this point, and you know that we all grew up with video games and Super Mario, and have continued, I mean, I think we probably played Mario Kart during the pandemic. A lot. To infinity. A lot, a lot.
00:45:29
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Listen, if you are a Super Mario Brothers person, you're going to like this movie. It is exactly what it's supposed to be and nothing more. It's not going to surprise you, but it will delight you. You know what I mean? It is a fun movie, but you can totally tell
00:45:48
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You can just see it in the filmmaking that they know that they're going to have 10 more movies. You know what I mean? Oh, wow. Like you just you can just feel it that they're like, we're going to we're going to plant all these little seeds and they're going to grow up to be big Super Mario Brothers sequels. So just know that that if you're getting into the Super Mario Brothers movie, you're probably going to get into like a Marvel
00:46:15
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that kind of a thing. That's what they're doing. A little universe. Yeah. So perceive cautiously unless you have a million hours. Fair enough. Fair enough. But I enjoyed it. There's the whole Chris Pratt of it all, and we don't have to go into that. Whatever. Do I think he's the best voice for Mario? No.
00:46:36
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But, you know, whatever. I think I'm I think I'm stained a little bit from, you know, the person of it all. But overall, I'd say if you'd like Super Mario Brothers, go give this watch because it's super fun. OK, cool. Awesome. My next one. God, I really have like I have three mafia movies. I'm just seeing this now.
00:46:55
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My next one is Casino. This is Martin Scorsese's film with the usual sort of cast of characters that he would have, right? So we're thinking about Robert De Niro. We're thinking about Joe Pesci. And this one in particular, we're thinking about Sharon Stone. Your mom's no Sharon Stone. Such a name.
00:47:18
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She's so good in this and but also like a crazy list of other people like Don Rickles and James Woods and Kevin Pollak and just a lot of a lot of really great people in this movie. Casino is wild. It is the story of Sam Rothstein, who gets I'll just read you the little thing from letterbox in early 70s, Las Vegas, low level mobster Sam Ace Rothstein gets tapped by his
00:47:45
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bosses to head the Tangiers Casino. At first, he's a great success in the job, but over the years, problems with his loose cannon enforcer, Nikki Santoro, played by Joe Pesci, his ex-Hustler wife, Ginger, played by Sharon Stone, and her con artist ex-Lester Diamond and a handful of corrupt politicians put Sam in ever-increasing danger.
00:48:07
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Um, this movie is Scorsese to a T. I think it's absolutely wonderful. I just had such a blast watching it and it is fucking brutal. Um, you know, it came out in 95. So a lot of people probably already know a lot of the shit, but this is the one where like Joe Pesci gets beaten with baseball bats, right? And it's that scene. It's, it's amazingly brutal. I'm, I'm a big fan of Martin Scorsese in general. There's very few films of his that I don't like cop on to and like,
00:48:36
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And the one of the things I really love about Martin Scorsese is this, is that his mafia films, they're not really about the mafia, they're about America. And when you look at all of the films sort of, you know, across the panoply of time that he's made, he's really made this like historical record of America. And that I think is really incredible.
00:48:57
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because the mafia can't exist without America just doing what it does. And there's something just amazing about a director like Scorsese that can go in so incisively and cut through it and find the brutality and find the madness and find the capitalistic hubris of it all that really says this, the mafia is America on steroids, right? It's like the most American thing that it could possibly be. And that's how America exists, whether we choose to believe that or not.
00:49:26
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because America is a brutal place and America is a place where it is, you know, scrambled to get what you can get and get it before anybody else does. And that's basically the mafia. And I think it's just incredible. This movie I loved. I think Robert De Niro is great in it. Sharon Stone, fan-fucking-tastic.
00:49:44
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And Joe Pesci is just Joe Pesci to the core, and I think he does a great job. This might be Joe Pesci's best work ever, I think. Now, one thing that is weird about Castino is there is a voiceover between Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci throughout the entire movie. And it's sort of like them looking back on the whole story and telling you about it.
00:50:06
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That's the one thing that I do kind of wonder that, like, if Scorsese were to make this movie today, would he make that same choice? I'm not so sure that he would. But listen, it works. It's probably it's the weakest part of the movie, but that's not sane very much because the movie is so strong to begin with. So if you've never seen Casino, I highly recommend you see Casino.
00:50:26
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Yeah, I remember when this movie came out in the 90s and I remember it being like a huge fucking deal. It was like a huge deal when it came out and I've seen it, but I'll be honest, I don't remember a ton about it except for Sharon Stone. Sure.
00:50:45
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And I just have this like vision in my head of her like tossing dice. And like, that's all I kind of remember from the movie. Yeah. I don't know. I'll maybe go back and give it a chance because I think it was a pretty big Oscar and like contender. Oh, it was. Absolutely. Yeah.
00:51:00
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All right, my next one is RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars. Yes, I am that gay. But this just wrapped up on Friday. I will not give away who won, but I will say overall, when this casting was announced, I was
00:51:20
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I'm not going to say I wasn't happy, but I just wasn't like enthralled with like the people that were cast because I mean, it's all stars. It's like it's all people you know. Yeah, sure. And so like going through the season, I was kind of just like, OK, OK, OK. But it's like. There are certain seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race and for people that watch it that will understand this. Sure. There are certain seasons where there is one or two favorites.
00:51:48
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And you know it from how RuPaul reacts to them, that that's her favorite.
00:51:55
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and that favorite will go on very long, if not win the whole competition. And so sometimes for me, the way that RuPaul's Drag Race is set up, because ultimately it's RuPaul's choice, it's RuPaul's, she's the one that makes the show, she's the one that decides the winner, it's sometimes just not as climactic as I want it to be. It's almost like you're saying that you sort of know the game before it's up.
00:52:23
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Exactly. And maybe it's just become too formulaic. I still enjoy watching it. I still like the personalities on it. I still enjoy it, but it sometimes just feels like
00:52:36
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No matter who you like, you already know who's going to win or who's going to go far. I mean, I do. I mean, that makes sense. I mean, I haven't I haven't watched it in a long time. You know, there are definitely some queens that I definitely like. We of course, on this show, we love Lucy LaDuca the best, got some news. But like I just haven't really been into drag shows in general for for a bit. But I mean, like what season was it of of of RuPaul with this one? I go, what number all stars was this?
00:53:02
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I think this was all stars eleven. I mean, that says it all right there, right? I mean, like I'm so glad that that these shows exist, especially in the times that we're in now. You know, it's important that these shows are that these shows are here and that they're still running. But I mean, you know, look after eleven, eleven times of doing it, like eventually, you know, like you're saying right now, the jib is up, you know, like eventually it's like, OK, it's the same thing over and over.
00:53:25
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Yeah, I just think that maybe they need to shake up in like that. It's not just RuPaul's decision anymore. You know what I mean? Like maybe they just need to shake up like how they judge the show or like whatever. That's just like my personal opinion. Listen, is the show a runaway fucking hit that like literally makes millions of dollars? Absolutely. Like it's it doesn't it doesn't need my one humble opinion to change everything. But like for me, I still watched it and I still enjoyed it. But just something
00:53:51
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about it for me just seems to getting a little fatigued. Makes sense to me. Makes sense to me, folks. My next one is another mafia movie a little bit different this time. It's L.A. Confidential. Another huge award winner movie was it was now, believe it or not, Andrew, I had never seen L.A. Confidential all the way through. Are you serious? I'm very serious. And I remember it. I had only seen like half of it. And don't ask me the reason why I just hadn't. Right.
00:54:21
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So it was it was movies movie of the day last week. And I said, you know what? A perfect time to watch this right now. Now, the one thing about it that gave me pause and you're going to guess what it is, is that I already know Kevin Spacey's in it. Right. And, you know, I used to be a big Kevin Spacey fan. But after everything, everything that's that's come out and everything that's happened, I just it's it's it makes my skin crawl to watch him do anything. Right.
00:54:47
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So, you know, thinking back to like movies that used to be favorites of mine, like like American Beauty, for example, I wouldn't watch that now if you paid me. So when I started to watch this, I said, OK, you're just going to have to kind of take that with a grain of salt right now and just let's just get through it. Just concentrate on Kim Basinger. That's right. Basically.
00:55:03
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And I'll tell you, I think this movie is fantastic. I just absolutely know it's great. It is. It is. It's a it's a well, it's not really modern anymore, but it's a it's a fairly modern noir classic and just so well done. And with a cast that just knocks your socks off, Russell Crowe, Guy Pierce, Kim Basinger, Danny DeVito, James Cromwell, David Strathairn, Ron Rifkin, Paul Guilfoyle. I mean, it just goes on and on and on with an amazing
00:55:33
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And a story that is just incredible. This is a story all about detectives in the LA Police Department and how corrupt, how absolutely corrupt the LA Police Department really is and how it all kind of winds around and gets you going. There are twists at the end that I will not reveal here just in case you also haven't seen the whole thing. But I'll tell you what.
00:56:01
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If you have not seen LA Confidential and you like that sort of thing, you go watch this. I do promise you that you can get through it, you know, with even with Kevin Spacey in there. It doesn't bother you all that much because the story is just so strong. So if you have not seen LA Confidential, go see it.
00:56:18
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Yeah, no, I remember watching this movie, you know, many years ago and loving it. So not surprised that I'm actually surprised you had never seen it. That's the biggest surprise to me, just because it's like right up your alley. I can't remember why I stopped watching it or whatever, but I just did. I just never went back to it. You know, one of those things.
00:56:34
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Yeah. My next one comes to us from 2B, which if you know my past with 2B originals, it's not great. Yeah, no. I've watched Terra Train and Terra Train 2. I don't know why I watched number two. I just did. Sometimes you just have to stare at the train wreck, you know, I get it.
00:56:57
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I watched Titanic 666, which was an experience. And so I came to this movie called She Came from the Woods. And I had heard good things. And I was like, you know what? Give Give Toobie another chance. They're just a little free, independent thing that happened with the ads.
00:57:23
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Um, this was great. Okay. Sorry to say, um, uh, it's, it's basically about a summer camp and, um, they're kind of wrapping up the season. They're sending the kids home and all of the counselors are getting together for like their like last party night of the, of the summer. And there's like a mix of like older people, younger people, and they're,
00:57:44
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And they have this ritual that every year they tell the story of this nurse that was back in the 70s, or no, this takes place in the 80s, so it was back in the 50s, of this nurse that went crazy and killed people and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:58:00
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what what they do this time is that they offer a blood sacrifice to her so they all kind of do like a little like slip on their on their on their finger like whatever and that actually let resurrects her and oh wow kind of just like that it's it and then things go on from there I don't want to spoil it for anybody because I actually do recommend the movie okay but um it was fun I mean
00:58:21
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Every once in a while, you just need a fun movie that doesn't take it too seriously. And, you know, for horror lovers like us, these kind of movies are like almost like they're like candy. Like you can't get enough. You know what I mean? Like it's it's maybe a very similar format of what you've been used to. But like you throw one little twist in there that makes it a little bit original and you're like, give me more. I want all the junior men's. You know what I mean? Amen. Yes. My God. Junior men's. I want that.
00:58:49
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But um, so yeah, if you if you kind of like like that camp horror of like, you know Friday the 13th or like sleepaway camp or like that kind of thing Check out she came from the woods on to be it's free with ads. That's awesome. Fantastic My next one is one that you talked about before But now it's my turn to talk about it because it's finally here in Ireland on Disney Plus It is the bear season Oh God. Oh man. Talk about romantic. Oh
00:59:14
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Oh my God. Listen, I love this show. I do too. You know, I lived in Chicago for 20 years basically, almost 20, I just call it 20. 20 years I live in that city and I don't live there anymore and I'm never moving back to America, but I will always be a Chicagoan in my heart. I really do believe that because I love the city of Chicago.
00:59:37
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And this movie, this movie, this, this show is just a love letter to Chicago over and over and over again. And I love it because like,
00:59:47
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It shows the gritty parts of Chicago that if you're a Chicagoan, you know what they are. You know the things that you have to live through and deal with that make life okay in the end. I just love it. This season was wonderful. There was great character development. It was wonderful seeing something new happen. I don't want to give any spoilers because I just don't want to do that if people haven't seen it yet or if you might just be totally new to the concept of it.
01:00:17
Speaker
But it is a lovely, lovely show. And it's a love letter to Chicago's food. It's a love letter to Chicago's music. The soundtrack to the show is so good. The actors are just wonderful. They're just amazing. And this season, you get fucking Jamie Lee Curtis. Jamie Lee fucking Curtis. And you get Bob Odenkirk. And you get, oh, who's the other person that was on it too?
01:00:42
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Sarah Paulson. Sarah Paulson. I mean, like you get these incredible, oh, and on top of it, you get Olivia Coleman. Like all of a sudden, I'm not going to say what happens. Olivia Coleman just pops up on screen and you're like, I'm sorry. That's Olivia fucking Coleman in Chicago right now. It's so fucking cool.
01:01:01
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So this season, I just thought was a joy. And, you know, every, I love the show for so many things. I've already squawked on about it enough. But one of the things I love about it is that it really puts, it puts just ordinary people into situations where they become better and like they learn and they grow and they ascend to something that they want to do just a little bit better to get through life a little bit better. And I just, I fucking love that. I fucking love that because that's,
01:01:31
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That's at the heart of Chicagoans, too, is this hard-working ethic of getting shit done and doing it right and being fucking cool about it. I can't say enough about it. I loved the season. I binged it all in one night. It was wonderful. Do you have a favorite character? Oh, God.
01:01:51
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That's a really good question. Um, you know, I don't know. I, you know, I, I just want to say car me just off the top of my head because like, I mean, he is kind of amazing. Like he's amazing, but I also really love Richie, you know, like Richie makes me cry almost like he's just, what a life, you know? And like he just try, he tries hard and no one understands him sometimes, but I think especially in this season, like he, he really has some redemption that I think is pretty incredible.
01:02:19
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Yeah, my favorite character is sugar. I love the sister. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's wonderful. Was so especially, especially in this season. Yeah. Well, that's what I say. Like she's so underused in the first season. And like, yeah, I won't talk about this too much because I've already talked about it. But like what I really do appreciate in this season, two of the bear is that they gave all of the ancillary characters more to do in time.
01:02:42
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and they like expanded that universe and it just, it's a triumphant of a show. So if you haven't watched it, great word for it, triumphant. That's the word. Yeah. All right. My last one, I went to the theater. I actually did a double feature, but I saw insidious the red door
01:03:00
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or what they should have called it, Insidious Chapter Five. But so, yeah, seriously, you know, it's a little thing about that, too. You know, I have a lot of Apple TV movies that I purchased, right? It's like Scream Five. Why the fuck didn't you call it Scream Five? And, you know, it drives me insane and it pisses me off because then when I go into my list of movies, it's out of order and it drives me fucking nuts.
01:03:20
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. So insidious, I'm going to call it insidious chapter five. There we go. Reclaiming my time. Exactly. It's in theaters. I went to go see it at the AMC in Evanston, Illinois. Thank you very much. I went to the where I went to the Chili's afterwards.
01:03:41
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Just one quick side note, I was watching this reel the other day, and it was about this guy taking his British boyfriend to Chili's for the first time, and it was really fucking funny. And at the end of the meal, he was like, okay, out of 10, what do you give it? He goes, I give it 10 million out of 10. And he goes on to say, I don't know what kind of food I just ate, but it was good. That describes Chili's, if that's actually worth it.
01:04:07
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But anyway, Insidious Chapter Five, this is essentially if you watch the Insidious movies, you could watch one, two and then five. OK, that's good to know. OK. And kind of get like the story of like that family, because three and four are about Lynn Shea and like they're all like about her like ghost hunting and blah, blah, blah, blah. The family is one, two and five.
01:04:30
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So this is directed by Patrick Wilson, who also stars in the movie. But this is basically about the young boy in Insidious, which eventually we're going to get to on the show, I promise. It's one of my favorite horror movies of the last 15 years. We'll talk about it.
01:04:50
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Essentially, number one is about him falling into a coma and then coming back from the further and figuring out that they have this traumatic past. Number two is about Patrick Wilson and what he went through as a kid and dealing with that. Now, number five is about when that child is going to college.
01:05:11
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And they bring back the entire cast. The kids are grown up. They're nine years older than when they filmed in Sidious, which I think is really cool. And it's basically about him going to college and they've suppressed their memories. They've suppressed the dads and the child's memories from the traumatic things that happened in two. So they don't remember anything. Sure, sure.
01:05:32
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And because he's an art school, he has a teacher that basically is saying, like, dig into your, you know, whatever your past or like, you know, and he starts to draw. And that like awakens all these memories. At the same time, Patrick Wilson, who plays his dad, is suffering from brain fog because he can't remember like what happened. And so it's fractured their family. He's divorced from Rose Byrne in the movie. And it
01:05:59
Speaker
Listen, I don't think that the movie writing is great. OK. I do think the movie is good, though. And I think and I think what you'll like about it, Maddie, and from all of us kids that have dead dads now is like there's a really good father, son story there. And I'm sorry, I'm crying a little bit. No, look, it happens to me all the time I get it. I'm with you.
01:06:25
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And I think that's where the movie is really strong. I love this movie. I'm not even joking you. A lot of people have said bad things about this movie and I don't get it because if you're going to the fifth movie in the insidious movie, what are you expecting?
01:06:41
Speaker
I was jittery. I was spooked. These movies spook me out. I don't know what it is. And everyone's sleeping on three. You need to go watch chapter three again because that's pretty good too. But overall, I really liked Insidious, The Red Door, or chapter five. And I don't care what other people think. Oh, good. Good. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
01:07:02
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Well, listen, folks, that was another edition of what you've been watching, bitch. Andrew brought us the Super Mario Brothers movie On Demand, RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars on Paramount+. She came from the woods on Tubi and Insidious the Red Door or just Insidious Chapter 5 at cinemas near you.
01:07:21
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And Maddie brought us Black Mass on Amazon, Casino on Amazon, LA Confidential, which was featured on MUBI, and Season 2 of The Bear, which you can watch on Hulu or Disney+. So folks, we'll take another break here and be right back with our first film of the episode, The Most Dangerous Game. Doesn't Brag Island mean anything to you? There's something wrong.
01:07:47
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Not trying to break in, but I've been in a rag. Welcome to my poor fortress. This is Mr. Robert Rainsford, who hunts big games so adventurously. By the way, three barbarians know that it is after the chase and then only. That man reveled at the savage's idea everywhere. One night as I lay in my tent, a terrible thought crept like a snake into my brain. Hunting was beginning to bore me. What I needed was not a new weapon, but a new animal. You found one?
01:08:16
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You take half-drowned men from ship, you drive them out to be hunted. But if one eludes to me only till sunrise, he wins the game. You'll murder him. I'm a hunter, not an assassin. You killed him. Very nicely, yes. We can keep ahead of him that long. Come in, darling. One crush on bules of one another. To date, I have not lost. Here I am. I hunt the most dangerous game.
01:08:45
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The.
01:08:54
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Are you ready to play? Because we're playing the most dangerous game today. Mattie, talk to us all about the most dangerous game. They saw the heads of hunted men in Zharov's trophy room. When legendary hunter Bob Rainsford is shipwrecked on the perilous reefs surrounding a mysterious island, he finds himself the guest of the reclusive and eccentric Count Zharov.
01:09:17
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While he is very gracious at first, Zarath eventually forces Rainsford and two other shipwreck survivors, brother and sister Eve and Martin Toebridge, to participate in a sadistic game of cat and mouse, in which they are the prey, and he is the hunter.
01:09:34
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The Most Dangerous Game was directed by Irving Pickell and Ernest B. Shozedak. It was written by James Ashmore Creelman, the screenplay, and it was from the O. Henry Prize-winning collection Story by Richard Connell, which I believe I read in grade school.
01:09:50
Speaker
are not great school in middle school. It was produced and distributed by RKO radio pictures. I believe this is our first RKO picture as well. Bob played, or Rainsford or Bob, whichever one, played by Joel McCray, Eve played by Faye Ray.
01:10:06
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Martin, played by Robert Armstrong, Count Zaroff, played by Leslie Banks, Ivan, played by Noble Johnson, and Tartar, played by Steve Clemente. The film was rated PG-13. It's 63 minutes long. Thank you, Jesus.
01:10:23
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American film that came out in September 16th of 1932. And it was filmed at RKO Studios in Culver City, California. The budget was $219,869. And the return on that was $443,000. This is a first watch for both me and Andrew. So Andrew, why don't you tell us what you thought about the film?
01:10:49
Speaker
We've only done a handful of movies that take place basically before 1950. I didn't know what I was getting into when I put this movie on. What I was happily surprised by is the first little image that I saw was the Criterion Collection.
01:11:11
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they're at least gonna make it look good so I can at least get into it. And when I was watching it, I was like, how in infinity is this from 1932? I know. Because so many things that they do in this movie are done so well
01:11:29
Speaker
that I honestly didn't expect to like this movie this much. And then it comes in at 63 minutes and you're like, just kill me now, I'm in perfection. It's incredible. No, overall, I was on the edge of my seat. I didn't know who was going to live or die. I didn't know how this movie was going to end.
01:11:52
Speaker
I loved it. I'm not going to lie. What were your initial thoughts? I mean, really the same. I did remember reading the story when I was much younger, as I said earlier. I can't remember what grade that was, but middle school or early high school, whatever.
01:12:08
Speaker
So I did remember, you know, some of the stories. So I had sort of that in my head. But I mean, like this, this story has been sort of filmed and treated many, many times. Right. And so just to give a little bit of background, we thought about doing surviving the game, which is kind of the same type of movie that made in the 90s starring Ice Cube. But tragically, that movie is not streaming literally anywhere. So yeah, very, very weird. But I mean, this is this is a great film. I mean, with with really like
01:12:38
Speaker
strong performances that sort of belied the 1930s. I mean, I think it's difficult to find performances like Bob Rainsford or what's Faye's character, Eve? You know, Bob and Eve. It's hard to find performances like theirs that aren't so plateaued in every other film of that era. So I think there's a surprising authenticity to some of this movie. Now, don't get me wrong here.
01:13:04
Speaker
counts are off is way over the top obviously and there is also a little bit of brown face going on or i guess you would say cossack face going on the way out but i don't even but.
01:13:17
Speaker
It's from the exotic, exotic country of Crimea. I know. Right. Yeah. Not so exotic and not so exotic anymore. We all know Ukraine at this point. Yeah. And they don't look like that there. How about that?
Movie Analysis: Cinematography and Themes
01:13:30
Speaker
But I mean, look, it's it's a movie that is I think one of the things I like, I like the best about the movie is the the cinematography. I mean, like, for example, the final shot in this movie
01:13:43
Speaker
is incredible i mean like so you know just to give you the sort of the basic rundown right which you know sort of happen in the in the description of the film you know this this boat crashes because a bunch of you know old white dudes are are coming back from africa from Africa and they're trying to go the faster way but the going the faster way is not advisable because there's like your reefs and everything else so you could get shipwrecked what happens they get shipwrecked
01:14:08
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they get an awfully shipwrecked oh my god exactly so you know they they the everyone basically dies but rainsford makes it to the island and you know there he is and so he gets there counts are office you know super nice at first and then he discovers is a fucking sadistic maniac
01:14:23
Speaker
And that the most dangerous game is really that the game is humans. So comes our off likes to hunt humans, of course. So he hunts Martin first, pretty easy kill. He's hunted a bunch of other people before, too. And then he wants to hunt, of course, Eve and Bob.
01:14:40
Speaker
Well, initially he wants him to team up with him. Right. He's become a hunter with him. But when he says, I will never do that because apparently, apparently it's OK to big game hunt, but don't do it to humans. Yeah. Right. Right. So so, you know, they go through all this mess. You know, lo and behold, who wins? Take a guess. Even Bob, of course, win eventually after after a bunch of hullabaloo.
01:15:03
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But at the end of it, they need to escape from the island, right? And so they escape from the island after they think they probably kill Count Zarov. So they run downstairs in this big mansion and then they get in the boat and then they're going away into the sea and Count Zarov is up at this window with a bow and arrow ready to shoot them, but he's just out of energy and then he dies. And so he drops the bow and arrow and he sort of
01:15:28
Speaker
you know, very dramatically lays across the window sill. And falls to his death to get eaten by his own dogs. Right. But that whole, the whole scene is set up so marvelously. So you don't see his body go to the dogs, you just see it fall off of the window. But as it's falling, it's perfect. You see the boat going off in the distance into the sea. And
01:15:52
Speaker
And it just, it was marvelous, that shot. It was absolutely marvelous. It was genius. And then it just fades into the door of the mansion with the crazy door knocker on it. Yeah, we'll talk about that door knocker in a second. So, I mean, that's just like one example of how cinematographically this movie is a real gem. Now, there are some parts of it. Well, okay, let me say this first. I'd say most of it really, really like works and you just, you know, you understand like, hey, it's a movie from the 30s. It is what it is.
01:16:21
Speaker
Yes. There are some parts that are pretty dated that end up being maybe a little bit funny. The funny part for me was the big fight. The stop work. Yeah, Bob Rainsford. So when Zorroff is hunting them, there's a moment when he sends the dogs to attack Rainsford. And the dog and Rainsford fall off into a waterfall, and Zorroff thinks, well, that's it. He's dead, right?
01:16:48
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Turns out, not true. Just one minute before I had to stop hunting him. Like, yeah, right. Right. And so it's just like the purge, like where he has like his own established like rules of like, well, it can't go past four a.m. That's it now. And so, you know, Zarov goes back to the mansion and he's playing piano and he's like, oh, bring Eve down here. I don't know. They're probably going to do something sadistically sexual or whatever.
01:17:08
Speaker
And so like, you know, while while Ivan goes off to do that or whoever it was, the door behind Zarov, Bob Rainsford comes back in and he is not happy, right? He's not happy. And so he comes in and there's this big fight with Zarov. Yeah. With Zarov and with Tartar and with it's wild. And so this fight is like a Jetson Sharks dance fight.
01:17:36
Speaker
It's so clumsy. It is. There's people like they're like, they're shooting their legs up like they're dancing and they're doing this and they're doing that and they're, they're tumbling. It's wild. Now you have to, you have to just have to remind yourself as always like to a thirties audience that was probably just like, oh, oh, I can't believe this. But to a modern audience, of course, you're just like, oh my Lord, who choreographed this?
01:17:59
Speaker
So I say that just to say that there are parts like that that are just sort of like they're a bit funny to us in this era, in this contemporary era now. But you can get over that pretty quickly. The story here is fantastic. The acting is really wonderful. It's a fucking hour and three minutes long. Like, bless the Lord, my soul. I wish all movies were an hour long. It would be wonderful. I wouldn't fall asleep so often.
01:18:25
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And and it's also it's just it's fun to watch. I mean I just I can't say enough good about it. It was a wonderful film
01:18:31
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Yeah, no. And like what I what honestly, what I going into this movie, knowing that there was only one female character, I kind of expected, you know, this being a 1930s movie that Eve was just going to be like this damsel in distress character. And she's totally not like she's the one that's like she's the one that tells Bob, like, hey, there's something going on here. Like we lost two of our sailor compatriots and
01:18:57
Speaker
There's something weird happening here. She's like the one that like leads him on to like understanding what's going on. She's in the action the entire time when he says like, all right, well, he's going to hunt me. She's like, I'm going with you. Like she doesn't stay back and just like, yeah, she's in the action, which in this day and age, it was all about the damsel in distress. It was all about like females being like weak. And she's like in it. She helps them set up every single trap. Like she's like in it to win it like the entire time, like
01:19:26
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Towards the end, she gets a little more like fainy, like a little more like the typical, but like I really, really appreciated that she was such like a counterpart for him. It wasn't just about him. Like, I don't know. I just really appreciated that. And I do.
01:19:44
Speaker
Listen, do I think the movie a little heavy handed on like the hunter hunted? Of course. Yeah, it is. It is. Let's be honest here. I mean, they in the opening scenes where they're on the boat, they're just talking about like he was OK. This was the part that made me think I might not like this movie.
01:20:03
Speaker
is because they're on the boat and they're talking about this picture that he has of the tiger that he probably killed. They don't say it, but I think that he ends up killing it. And he's basically justifying big game hunting by saying,
01:20:19
Speaker
Well, I'm hunting it, but it's also hunting me. And I was like, OK, like, what are we doing here? But then it turns it around because he ends up being the one that's hunted and understands then what it's like to be hunted and having to like fight back and everything. And it's an unfair thing. And I just there was something about that that like got me that didn't I didn't expect if I'm being totally honest. Interesting 1932 movie.
01:20:46
Speaker
Um, I thought it was really good miniature work with the boat. I didn't expect, uh, I didn't expect the boat to be so harrowing. Um, because they show like all of the people down below, like getting basically like a kind of like what happened to that Titanic, like, you know, like kind of getting like killed, but they like show those workers. Um, I did think it was a little funny that he moves on so quickly from the boat crash.
01:21:15
Speaker
because like he basically says like all my friends were just killed but it's like oh yeah fresh clothes and a scotch sure you know why not sure so i thought that that was a little funny but you know it is of its time and honestly considering it's only 63 minutes i will give it a pass on that but um
01:21:35
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uh some other things i thought were just like really funny for the movie is like he has this monologue on the bow where he's like in this world there's a hunter in the hunted i'm a hunter and that's never gonna change and then immediately the boat crashes
01:21:54
Speaker
Um, I thought that they like their attempts at like trying to capture or kill, uh, Czar Czarov Czarov Czarov was pretty ingenious. And I liked how every time they were just like, we're going to do this really elaborate thing. And he just catches onto it like right away. And I had to turn to the characters and be like, you know, that this is his Island, right? Like he knows what's on the Island. You know this, right? And it's really funny because
01:22:22
Speaker
So the count, I'm just going to call him the count. He says to our main character, Bob, he says, just to let you know, don't go to Fog Hollow because that's like where I catch most of my victims. And Bob just knows what Fog Hollow is. I know, I know. Oh yes, here it is.
01:22:45
Speaker
Oh, that's a fog hollow. And I'm like, uh, how do you know that? Is there a sign? But and I thought it was funny. I think that our guy who plays Martin is actually a pretty good drunk character. Like I would say so, too, because, you know, it's I'd say especially back then there was a tendency. I'm not speaking like I'm some sort of, you know, film historian here, but there was definitely more of a tendency to play drunk as just sort of ridiculous.
01:23:14
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overacting. Exactly, right. And I think that he does a great job. I was actually wanted more of him, but he gets killed off like pretty quickly. I mean, he's a little bit comical, but like that's OK. It actually kind of works with it. Yeah, I mean, he's the folly. Like he's like kind of like the you know, the comedic relief of the movie. So it works. I did think it was funny when
01:23:36
Speaker
When he's sending them to bed, Eve says something along the lines of like, every night he puts us to bed like we're naughty children. And then the count goes, not naughty. Charming children. I thought that was pretty good. I don't know if you got like, I did get a little bit of queer in this movie. I don't know if you have the same feeling or not. I mean, I would say so. I mean, between between Rainsford and Zarov.
01:24:05
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, sure. I mean, I think Czarov, you know, especially, but I think Count Czarov is sort of like Count Dracula a bit too. He's like above sexuality. Yeah, it's a bit of the queerness there. So I mean, like, you know, if we wanted to say, like, you know, maybe the asexuality of it is a bit of the queerness, I think that probably works.
01:24:26
Speaker
Well, he lives on an island with only two other men. So that's true. And then he just thinks about killing people, which is what most queer people do. Right. We just want to kill everybody. Yeah. And, you know, so I mean, like, look, I get what you're saying there. I think
01:24:41
Speaker
I do wonder how did a 1932 audience view Zaroff? If there were an everyday fella going to see the movie, would they have read him as a bit of a poof? I wonder, but I think that gets taken away by the fact that the dude likes to hunt.
01:25:03
Speaker
Yeah, no, I get it. Yeah. And I think, too, like there was also in that era, like a good deal of eccentricity. And so like it's I think that the eccentricness of of the character, the way that it was written, probably would have made sense to people. Yeah, it's almost like if you have a hard question, it's almost like back in that day and obviously we're born alive, so I can't really speak to it, but it almost feels like
01:25:30
Speaker
in that day, if you had enough money, you could be as weird as you want it to be. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think basically, yes. I mean, especially too. I mean, this is 1932. So, you know, you're in the era of big excess in America, right? So, the crash has not yet happened yet. And yes, it did. When was the fucking crash?
01:25:55
Speaker
1930. Oh my God. Are we this bad, Andrew? Yeah. When is, oh my God, everyone is going to, they're going to make fun of us forever. Stock market crash of 1929. So forgive me on that. The crash had already happened in 29, just what is that? Three years earlier, right?
01:26:11
Speaker
Yeah. So like, I mean, this is this is going to be the excess of a character like this is something that's going to be so big on screen that it's it's that this person is going to read villain no matter what, especially people who are mostly people scraping to get by in 1932. Like there's a lot going on. So this guy was probably going to read villain more than. Well, that's interesting to think though, too.
01:26:36
Speaker
Because he is a little bit poofy, isn't he? And so why not? Why not? We're really working through this right now, aren't we? You know, why not increase the puffiness of a villain? Right. Yeah. I just wanted to bring it up because it crossed my mind after I realized that he lives alone on this island with two other men. But and also, listeners, I don't want anyone making fun of me for forgetting when the stock market crash was. I was drinking until two a.m. last night. Do you understand?
01:27:04
Speaker
OK, so I did have one other thing in my notes that I wanted to ask you about. Did you think the alligator was going to be a bigger part of the movie? Not really. What did you? Yeah, well, I'm sorry, but like this is 1932. We have sharks that are literally eating people in the in the ocean in the beginning of the movie. The captain is.
01:27:27
Speaker
Yeah, ceremoniously killed off by a shark, a shark because he just kind of slips into the water. But then we are in the finale, the action epicenter of the movie. And we are running around this island and things are happening and we're going in swamps. And all of a sudden they show this alligator and I'm like, oh, shit, alligator. And they just run right past it and it never does anything.
01:27:56
Speaker
I thought it was maybe going to take down one of the henchmen or take down a dog or something. That's interesting because let's see here. I have in the notes here that there were some budget issues, right? So before shooting began, what had been envisioned as a relatively spectacular production was of necessity reigned in dramatically when RKO stepped in.
01:28:17
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citing a three-week shooting schedule and a budget ceiling of 202,000, roughly 16,000 less than the figure ultimately spent. Efforts to conform to these newly imposed limits were most apparent in a drastically scaled-down shipwreck sequence and in the size of the cast itself, trimmed nearly in half, merely by virtue of eliminating nine of the shipwreck victims.
01:28:42
Speaker
I did think some of his friends were going to come back at some point, but they don't. A bunch of people got cut and I wonder what the alligator, like maybe they just said, nope, too expensive. Sorry, not going to work. Yeah. Because initially, budgets are tough these days, aren't they, Andrew?
01:28:57
Speaker
You're telling me no, um, but initially when we're set up on the boat, you know, we get introduced to like this like cast of characters There's like yeah, there's like eight guys. They're talking And they eventually just get killed off like unceremoniously in the boat crash. So that's
01:29:14
Speaker
I'm wondering if, and we're never going to figure this out, but I'm wondering if they filmed that initial scene in the boat before everything else. They might have. You know what I mean? And then they said, well, we got to cut all these people and so we're just going to kill them all off in the boat crash. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think it's highly plausible that that is what happened.
01:29:36
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Well listen, here at Fraggy the 13th, we grade on a seven stripe scale for the seven stripes of the gay old rainbow. Maddie, what did you give the 1932 film the most dangerous game? I gave it six and I said it's a fantastic film with excellent cinematography and just a little over an hour long, amazing.
01:29:59
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And I also gave it a six. I said, I can't believe this is a 1930s movie with the ideas that it presents. It actually had me on the edge of my seat and I appreciated that the woman character was not your typical damsel in distress. Well, that does it for the most dangerous game. We will take a quick break and we'll be right back with Death Race. I created Death Race six years ago. I now have as many viewers as the Super Bowl. The drivers are convicts and the rules are simple. There are no rules.
01:30:34
Speaker
Win and get your freedom. Or die trying. Who's the new guy? Jensen Ames. Used to race for NASCAR. They say he killed his wife. I guess he didn't like the old meal.
01:31:02
Speaker
I want you to drive for me. Unless you think I'll risk my life dentist for you. I'm offering you your freedom. All you have to do is walk off that track alive. And win, of course. The race takes place in three stages over three days. Tomorrow you meet your navigator. They get bust in from the women's facility. So what about the other dryness? It's kill or be killed.
01:31:31
Speaker
Hope you had enough gas in the car, because it's time for the death race. Andrew, tell us all about it. It's one of your better ones. Good for you.
01:31:41
Speaker
Uh, get ready for a killer race. Terminal Island, New York, 2020. Overcrowding the US penal system has reached a breaking point. Prisons have been turned over to a monolithic Wayland Corporation, which sees jails full of thugs as an opportunity for a television sport.
01:32:02
Speaker
Adrenaline, this is a very complicated. I know, I know. Adrenalized inmates, a global audience hungry for violence and a spectacular enclosed arena come together to form The Death Race, the biggest, most brutal event. Directed by welcome to the show, Paul W.S. Anderson. We've never done a Paul W.S. Anderson movie before. Right, I know.
01:32:27
Speaker
Written by Paul de Vase Anderson, Robert Tom, Charles B. Griffith, and I. I. I. B. Melkor? I can't I don't know how to pronounce that. I think I think that's short for Ibrahim. And so I think I think it's Ebe Melkior.
01:32:43
Speaker
Oh, got it. OK, this stars Jensen or the stars, Jason Statham, as Jensen Ames, Joan Allen. Where did you how did you get cast in this, John Allen? I know. Crazy. Joan Allen as Hennessy. Ian McShane. I'm sorry. Ian McShane is in this movie. I know.
01:33:02
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Tyrese Gibson as Machine Gun Joe, Natalie Martinez as Case, Max Ryan as Pachinko, Jason Clark as Ulrich, and Frederick Kohler as List. This is rated R with a runtime of 105 minutes. Made in California, let's just say that. And it came out on August 22nd of 2008. And also made in Montreal.
01:33:28
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Oh, okay. Cool. Yeah, it was both. Um, I had seen this before. I'm not sure if you had seen this before, but why don't you, why don't you, why don't you tell us your initial thoughts on the death race? I think it's great. I think this is a great movie. Um, I, I actually, I'm already thinking that I probably scored it too low for myself. Um, I think death race is, um, a very surprising movie.
01:33:50
Speaker
And but also like when i dig into it's not that surprising i mean like it's a dystopian film and i love dystopian film so you know post apocalyptic you know the crazy viruses the world gone mad like that kind of shit it gets me going.
01:34:05
Speaker
And I think this is yet another one and I think that that death race manages to be an action film. That's also a thriller and we you know we put it in horror as well and it's it's just it's it's nonstop this movie and how could it not be it's moving fucking called death race it's it's supposed to be nonstop so it's an action film.
01:34:26
Speaker
That just keeps going and going and going. And it is a film also that has a great deal of social commentary to offer to us. I mean, like at the end of the day, this is actually closer to reality than I think we want to pretend that it would not be. Right. You have you have prisons that are run by private corporations in this dystopian 2020. Well, I can tell you in 2023 in America, most prisons are run by private corporations.
01:34:52
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and there have been stories that have come out about like literally the prison saying if we don't get more prisoners, we're gonna have to go out of business as though that's a bad thing, right? So I mean like the history of incarceration in America, which is where this takes place, is sort of being skewered by this film and I think for great reasons. I think America treats prisoners and treats inmates. Look, no matter who they are, no matter what the crime is as animals,
01:35:20
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And we hear horrible rotten stories, especially if we think back to COVID times. We hear these stories of prisoners being treated like they were nothing, like they were less than cattle. And even if you've done terrible things, even if you've done, if you've murdered people, it doesn't matter.
01:35:41
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Are we a society who agrees that people still have dignity or not? Either humans have it or they don't. And this is a movie about a time in the very near future when people believe that they don't. And we believe it's so hard that we say, you know what we're going to do? We're going to create gladiator again, basically. And instead of having the Coliseum, it's going to be a big track.
01:36:07
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and we're going to cheer on as some of these people get murdered in insane fucking ways. Insane. What's one of the insane ways? Here's one of them, right? So you're on this fucking crazy death ray shit, and I forget what, it was probably the second installment of it or whatever. You're in death, Mario Kart. Yeah, right. And fucking Joan Allen, who's very surprising as the warden, I might add here,
01:36:36
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Joan, Joan Allen says, uh, and her name is Hennessy. Hennessy says, release the dreadnought. And it's this huge semi truck that they've been working on in secret and flame throwers machine guns. Oh, and by the way, on the back of it, a fucking tank, right? And so like they, they, they also have these like parts on it on the side of the vehicle that like, that like can like dig into the cars and like make, you know, fuck them up basically.
01:37:01
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So there's fucking there's one death where the fucking get next to the dude, it's the Asian guy and the fucking like spinner, crazy spike thing chops up the woman inside of it. Yeah, because that was insane. What we forget to say is that each one of these drivers is paired up with a partner from either the women's prison or in Tyrese's
01:37:27
Speaker
In Tyrese's case, um, a man because apparently he's gay. We'll talk about that, but we'll definitely get because that that is the one weird part of this movie, but we'll definitely get to it for sure. So so you've got a movie that has crazy deaths in it, as you might imagine. It's got crazy violence. It's got more than I remembered. So Corey and I watch the unrated version. So I don't know. I don't know which one you watch, but I imagine I got a few more goodies when it came to that.
01:37:55
Speaker
Um, but, uh, so where was I going with this? The things that it's got, it's got the ultra violence. It's got the, the, the, the, the social justice aspect of it. It's got the nonstop action. It's got great actors. Jason Statham. I've, I've always loved Jason Statham. I think he's fucking fantastic.
01:38:12
Speaker
He knows his lane. Oh, yeah. I mean, he knows it and he's good at it. And he's just he's fucking amazing. You've got Ian McShane, one of the best actors of all fucking time. And also you've got I don't know who the fuck convinced Joan Allen to say, Joan, you're going to be in this crazy fucking movie. I mean, Joan Allen is
01:38:31
Speaker
Like this is not her kind of thing. And she does it really well. I mean, I bet she had a lot of fun playing Hennessy. She probably. Yeah. So you've got a killer. You've got a killer cast. You've got producers who are amazing like Tom Cruise and Paula Wagner. I mean, come on. Those are great producers.
01:38:48
Speaker
Well, what you have to also remember is that this is a remake of a very famous Roger Corman movie. I say all of that list just to finally say this movie has a lot going for it and especially for socially minded people like you and me and like probably 99% of our listeners. It's a movie that really speaks to you too. So I thought it was wonderful. I really enjoyed it and for me it really was a surprise so I can't say enough good about it.
01:39:17
Speaker
Yeah, just because we literally just reviewed those movies, this is what The Purge wants to be. I would agree with you. That's a great way to think about it, truly. Listen, is this movie over the top crazy, gory, stupidness? Yes, absolutely. But is it just like,
01:39:38
Speaker
a really fun watch. Yeah. I mean, you're going to a movie called Death Race, like what else do you want? Like, yeah, overall, I had seen this probably close to when it came out. I don't know if I saw it in the theater, but I definitely saw it at one point, but I had not even given it a thought until we were thinking about doing this episode. And, you know, is it a little bit more of an action movie than a horror movie? Yeah. But I still think it's pretty fucking horrific, like what's happening in this movie.
01:40:07
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That's just the thing. If people get weird about that kind of shit, I'm always like, do you think that pitting people against each other in a fucking gladiator death race in a prison is not horrific? Right. Exactly. Because if the answer is no, then you need to go fucking like, go see a therapist about that.
01:40:25
Speaker
Yeah, and I just okay, so Paul W.S. Anderson, if you don't know who he is, we've reviewed. Oh, wait, we actually have reviewed one of his movies before we reviewed Event Horizon, which. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Good point. So like Paul W.S. Anderson is responsible for the Resident Evil movies. He was responsible for Mortal Kombat. So like.
01:40:45
Speaker
You kind of get the drift, you know what I mean? Like it's over the top action. It's crazy video game. Essentially, I don't know if you ever played this game as as a kid. This is essentially Twisted Metal. Yeah, sure. Right. Which is it's really funny that we're reviewing this right at this time because there's a Twisted Metal TV show about to come out in like a couple of days. Oh, wow. Crazy. But yeah, overall, I think that this just like it hits like a weird video game.
01:41:14
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like nostalgia button I think for a lot of us that like oh this is like a video game but a movie you know what I mean yeah and it doesn't make a ton of sense because like the whole thing is about you know Jensen Ames he's he's they say this like four times at the beginning of the move but he's just an honest worker
01:41:37
Speaker
And he basically what happens is his wife is killed by I think what the movie is telling us by Pachinko, but hired by Hennessy to do exactly correct. And he is framed for the murder. His baby gets taken away and he's plunged into the death race because he has a history of being a really famous race car driver. I'm a that. Is that what you got from that? Yeah.
01:42:03
Speaker
Cause at the beginning he's working out at like a plant. So I was like, well, I don't really understand like why he's working here, but he's famous race car driver, but you know, that's, that's okay. Um, and essentially what he's there to do is take over this caricature of Frankenstein, like that, who has won four of the death races previously. And if he wins a fifth one, he earns his freedom.
01:42:27
Speaker
But from the beginning of the movie, I will say, did he really win that race? Because he gets like blown across the finish line in like fiery mess from machine gun Joe. And you know what? In the death race, Andrew, there are no winners. Seriously, do it. So essentially the whole movie is about like, OK, just win one more death race, which essentially is three races because you have to make it through three stages of the race, which I tell you
01:42:57
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Listen, why do we have to have three stages? You know what? I don't make the rules. I know. I thought it was funny at the beginning, his wife, she's like cooking onions that because that's all they have to eat, I guess, is just onions and.
01:43:14
Speaker
You know what I'm talking about though. I do. I do. I get it because they flashed to the burn onions like three times, but, um, she's like, you know what? Let's go crazy. And she drinks one PBR and I was like, PBR one. Good for you girl. Good for you. Um,
01:43:31
Speaker
I think like where this movie could maybe get expanded upon and I know there's sequels I've never seen any of the sequel so I don't know if they kind of more go into this is that I would like to know a little bit more of the relationship between the driver and their partner because
01:43:47
Speaker
Jason Statham, Jensen Ames, he has a very established partner with Case. They have a relationship and they're both trying to help each other out. And she even warns him about Hennessy and she said, don't let him win. So she's very honest with him and everything. But then all the other drivers, they all have partners, but they are just brutally murdered, like every day.
01:44:13
Speaker
Like, I think Machine Gun Joe goes through like four partners in the movie. I think you're right. And each one of them gets brutally either shot or murdered. And there's even a part where Tyreese, his partner gets brutally shot and then he kind of like feels himself and he's like, oh, thank God I didn't get shot. And I was like, okay, like, come on.
01:44:36
Speaker
But I think like when you're going into a movie like this, you kind of just, it's kind of like when you go and watch James Bond. Like, you know that he might get hurt, but James Bond's never gonna die. You know what I mean? Like, it's kind of that mentality that you have to go into this of like, it's gonna be fantastical.
01:44:51
Speaker
but you just know who the hero is. I don't know, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, I do get it. By the way, there are three sequels to Death Race 2, Death Race 3, Inferno, and Death Race Beyond Anarchy. Two was in 2010, three was in 2013, and Beyond Anarchy was in 2018.
01:45:10
Speaker
Were any of these in the theater or were they all direct to video? Oh, they were all directed video. Okay. Well, I think maybe I'll skip them then and just live in my fantasy of this one movie. Yeah.
01:45:25
Speaker
I think that's there. Listen, is the messaging a little heavy handed? Absolutely. Of course. But I think that like it even goes so far as like if you look really closely, Pachinko, who's like one of the main baddies, has like a Confederate flag, like on his shoulder, like on his uniform. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about this now, because we have to go into it because we are a Frege the 13th. Of course. There is a throwaway line.
01:45:50
Speaker
that says basically that Tyreese's character, Machine Gun Joe, the the main quote unquote. Protagonist, if you will, the antagonist, if you are going to say they end up getting along at the end, but whatever. There's a throwaway line that that the one guy his mechanic says on angry. That's one angry homo.
01:46:15
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and there was more about it too before they were like, no, he went through them, like through, like through their asses basically. There's a bit more talk about it. Uh, it's, it's really weird. I don't understand. It is really weird, right? But I mean, it was, I just, I just, you know, we always have to do this with, with films. We have to remember like what, what year it was. And oh eight, they, I guess that's how it would have been treated. I suppose, but I just don't understand why they made the decision in the first place. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
01:46:45
Speaker
And there's even a kind of a line towards the end when they are doing their like getaway and Tyrese pulls out the shirts that they're going to wear to like getaway, you know, like their disguises or whatever. And Jensen says to him, you know, these shirts maybe make me really question your.
01:47:06
Speaker
And he never says it, but I'm like, he means question your sexuality, right? Because they're like tacky shirts. They're like tacky dad Hawaiian shirts. Yeah. I mean, I'm not just saying it's like, it's, they're little, they're like little digs that probably made like straight dudes laugh a little bit in the cinema.
01:47:26
Speaker
It's just a weird thing to include in such like a dude movie, you know what I mean? Like that he would even be gay because it doesn't add anything to the script. I mean, it explains why he has male counterparts as his like partners, but those partners die off so quickly that
01:47:45
Speaker
You don't really care. And it adds nothing to his character. It adds literally nothing. I mean, we don't hear him talk about like his like his husband back home or his boyfriend here or, you know, whatever. We don't hear any of that. Literally, literally nothing. And listen, do we as gay people want to pretend that Tyrese Gibson is gay? Yes, absolutely. We want the opportunity to sleep with Tyrese Gibson. I thought he was gay, right?
01:48:09
Speaker
But yeah, so I think that honestly, you're either going to really get on board with this movie or you're going to really hate it. I think that that's kind of the way that you go into these type of movies. And I just had fun with it. I don't know. I don't know how it's like. I love when Joan Allen gets her justice rights at the end. And Ian McShane blows her up.
01:48:32
Speaker
as she gets her present. I thought that that was really good. You know what this is? This is 1980s action in 2008 or whatever when this came out. This is what we grew up on. I'm trying to think of a good action movie. Cobra. This is all those movies from the 80s that we grew up on, kind of in a 2008 mentality. And so I just
01:48:58
Speaker
I just had fun with it. I don't know. We've been talking about it for 18 minutes now, but when I really think about the quality of the movie, do I think it's stupid? Yeah, but I don't know. It's that stupid that knows it's stupid, so it just leans into it, which I can really appreciate if that makes sense.
01:49:22
Speaker
But I mean, I just I also really think that if you sort of just like if you even just give an iota of thought about what it says about prisons in here, this movie actually becomes something of something a lot more. And I think it's really important to think about because I mean, it is it's really bad. And on this show, we look at the horror in real life, too. And that's certainly part of this. Yeah. The one thing that did keep me in the movie, and I don't know if you appreciated this or not, but I appreciated that, like,
01:49:52
Speaker
the $99 for day one and everything else for the low, low price of $250. And honestly, so well done. Those were really well done. I love when movies do that, when they know that the audience is going to catch on to the gimmick and they just lean into it. And so I really appreciated that. I thought it was really funny that
01:50:15
Speaker
When we don't know the name of someone that's when we know they're gonna die Like you see like the like lineup of like the the drivers on the little screen and you're like who's gonna sit Who's who's that guy they gone now? And then they die immediately and what I will say about death race if you haven't watched it in a while Surprisingly gory like very gory. Oh my god. Yes, I
01:50:42
Speaker
Like I like that part where I forget who his name is in the movie, but it's where the one guy with all the tattoos, he gets kind of like rolled over in his car and he like makes it out and he's like, you're not going to burn me, you're not going to kill me, da, da, da, da. And then he just gets pulverized by a car door and you're like, oh, my God.
01:51:06
Speaker
Jesus. Now, a few things about the movie too. David Carradine, who started in the original film, Death Race 2000, played the voice of Frankenstein or Frankenstein to get into fighting shape for the film. Jason Statham trained for three months with an ex Navy SEAL, who was one of the key trainers for the film 300.
01:51:26
Speaker
If I ever have a body like that in my entire life, just kill me then. Seriously, I mean, Jesus, I bought dumbbells from my house on a little bench. In my head, I have that body already, right? You are, Jason. I already am. Each of the 34 cars used in the film cost between 250 and 300,000 to detail.
01:51:48
Speaker
Yeah, you're never going to convince me that a Mustang can sustain that much damage. It can't. It's not a tank, man.
01:51:58
Speaker
All right. Well, Maddie, what did you think of Death Race on your score of Seven Stripes? Yeah, I bumped it up a little bit. I gave it five and a half. I think, you know, the only thing that that that brought it down was the gay stuff. But other than that, I think it's honestly it's a pretty solid fucking movie. And it's it's it's it was just just really surprised me. And I said, I'm surprised I like this movie as much as I did.
01:52:26
Speaker
thrilling, bold, nonstop action and social commentary all in one film. Let's fucking go. I said, I'm going to give it a five. I bumped mine up just a little bit because I had a really good time discussing it. And I said, this hits an action button for all those kids raised on video game. Is it perfect? No. Is it entertaining, gory and fun? Yeah. Yeah.
01:52:46
Speaker
Awesome. Well folks, that is our final film of the episode. We'll take our final break here and be back with our game called professional sports team. Or did I make this up?
01:52:57
Speaker
Hey, somebody has run out on the field. Some goofball and a hat and a red shirt. Now he takes off the shirt. He's running down the middle by the 50. He's at the 30. He's bare-chested and banging his chest. Now he runs the opposite way. He runs at the 50. He runs at the 40. The guy is drunk, but there he goes. The 20. They're chasing him. They're not gonna get him. Waving his arms. Bare-chested. Somebody stop that man.
01:53:22
Speaker
Well, that does it for episode 103 of Fraggate the 13th Horror Podcast. But before you go, we have a little fun game to play with you. Maddie, I have devised a series of, let's see here, one, two, three, four, five, six potential teams of professional sports. OK. And you have to tell me whether you think these are real or whether you think I either source them or made them up. OK, got it perfect.
01:53:50
Speaker
All right. The first one is the Hartford Yard Goats. The Hartford Yard Goats. I'm just going to say it's real. It is real. It is a team from Hartford, as you would expect. All right. The next one is the San Francisco Fairies. I'm going to guess it's like a gay league and it's real. That is actually fake. It is from the movie, Baseball. Fair enough. Fair enough.
01:54:20
Speaker
The next one, the Mesic Bulldogs. Ah, that's in a movie, isn't it? I think it's fake. That is my high school mascot. Oh, no way. Oh my God, that's amazing. That's amazing. All right, the next one, the Montgomery Biscuits. I want that to be real. It's real. That is the Montgomery, Alabama baseball team. All right, good for them.
01:54:49
Speaker
Next up is the Lansing Lugnuts. This is real. The Lansing Lugnuts are a professional B team in baseball out of Lansing, Michigan. And the final one, the San Fernando Valley Bay Watchers. Fake.
01:55:07
Speaker
I made that up. Yes. Okay. That was pretty good. Actually. Yeah. So that does it for episode one Oh three. Um, we're really happy to bring it to you. Yeah. So folks, just some housekeeping items here. The first one I'll start with is this. We are going on our annual hiatus for the month of August.
01:55:27
Speaker
So this will be the last episode that you hear from us until September. We do this every year. It's a way for us to just sort of take a break and clear our, clear our heads. You will have some great bonus material coming out though. So we'll get that out to you in August. So look forward to that. But in September, we will return back with new content.
01:55:48
Speaker
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01:56:12
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01:57:10
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But folks, thank you so much for being with us for our 103rd episode. It means a lot to us that you spent the last, you know, over two hours with us, you know, just hanging out. You mean the world to us. Our listeners are everything. And we do this podcast because of you. You feel like family to us. I hope that we feel like family to you because we really, truly, from the bottom of our hearts, appreciate every single one of you listening to us for as long as you have. So thank you. Thank you so much for that.
01:57:40
Speaker
and we'll sign off saying what we always say, and it is this. Andrew and I want one thing for you, and it is to get slayed.