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EPISODE 144: PRIDE 2025
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Our annual PRIDE episode is BACK! Listen in as we chat about QUEERBAITING, maybe the scariest thing of all!
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Introduction to Frygay the 13th Horror Podcast
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Frygay the 13th Horror Podcast is a proud independent podcast. To learn more about the show, visit frygay13.com.
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um
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Maddie, do you hear that? If it's the sound of another Netflix character almost saying they're gay, but then getting hit by a bus, yes, I hear it loud and clear. No, I mean that.
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That whisper in the dark. That heavy breathing. Oh, that. Don't worry. It's just another straight actor playing a tortured gay heartthrob in a prestige drama. They're not really gay. They just studied really hard at Juilliard.
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There it is. There it is again. Something's stalking us. It's the most terrifying creature of them all. The gay baiter. It lives in the shadows, thrives on suggestive glances and lingering looks, and disappears the moment anyone says, are they actually queer?
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it's too vague to fight off. Quick, show a clearly defined queer relationship with emotional depth. Wait, that's our only copy of Heartstopper. Don't waste it.
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oh We did it. We defeated the gay baiter for now. But remember,
Pride and LGBTQ Community Discussion
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just when you think it's safe to stand again, the gay baiter strikes back.
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It's episode 144. Pride is not terrifying. i am the writing on the wall, the whisper in the glass
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I'm Marjorie Greene, and I approve this message. To save America, stop socialism, and stop China. Faith hide, we ought to be from life to death to rise.
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Horror in real life. Doubters, the doomsters, the gloomsters, they are going to get it wrong. Horror in the movies. Where are you going to go?
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Where are going to run? Where are going to hide? Nowhere.
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Why do we want it? Let's go! What you waiting for, huh? What are you waiting for? I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning. Sometimes.
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that is what
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The pleasure of pride pushed aside this year by many companies, with corporate sponsors signaling reserve. Pride organizers dismayed. The corporate model no longer is sustainable in the political climate that we live in today. That's in St. Louis, seeing major changes this year.
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While in New York, NYC Pride saying it's dealing with a budget shortfall of more than three quarters of a million dollars due to dips in corporate sponsorships. Welcome to episode 144 of Frygay the 13th Horror Podcast. My name is Andrew.
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And I'm Matty. And you're currently listening to the only podcast that talks about horror in real life and in the movies from an LGBTQ perspective.
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Yes, you heard that right. The only, the first and only. Sorry about it, everybody else. We did it before you. True. And today we're talking all about pride and we're talking all about the state of the gay union. But we're also talking about something that we haven't really talked about since we watched that movie about the wizards. I don't remember the name of it.
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i don't I don't either now that you say it. i can't remember the name of it. And that is gay baiting. Yes. yeah the ah The thing that everyone loves to make money off of but not ever fulfill. And that's gay baiting. It's ah And, you know, Andrew, like, I think it's important because obviously we're doing this in Pride Month. This is our Pride episode.
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And like, you know, we're going to talk about gay baiting in like, you know, TV shows and movies and all that kind of stuff. Right. But like, I think it's kind of important. but It's important to mention, too, that like.
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We're also kind of all being gay baited by like corporations and companies right now. for sure. Especially, especially, well, not as much this year, but in later at last year's. Well, but I mean, that that's that's almost like it though. It's like, you know, this year, all these companies are like pulling their, their, their support for like pride initiatives or pride parades or whatever.
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and like, you know, it just goes to show you that they were never really with us in the first place, you know? Right. And like, when it's not profitable. It's not, it's not ah doable anymore. Right, right. And it's kind of like, you know, it's like our existence. ah Like, we're we're cool when our existence is profitable to you, including for, like, actors and stuff.
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And, like, that, i don't know. it just leaves a very weird fucking taste in my mouth, especially and in in Pride Month. Well, I mean, when we base our worth upon capitalism, that's all we're going to get. You know what i mean? Girl, you spoke it true. Uh-huh.
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it's like any It's like any industry. like If women didn't get pregnant, then we wouldn't have a baby industry. if like You know what i mean? It's like anything. like It's just profit for profit's sake. And yeah there's no other um there's there's no other way of living and in the United States. as And I don't know if that's the world. I can only speak to to where I live. But like...
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It just feels like if you're not hustling and if you're not you know trying to make as much money as possible, then you're not living a good life. And I just don't really think that that's achievable or sustainable. And I think it's really dumb. Amen, girl. That is the truth. But I'll tell you but why don't we start before we get into just like the shitty parts of everything like we always do.
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Yeah. Why don't we start with some hope for pride? So Andrew. Absolutely. Well, how are you feeling this pride? What are you thinking about? What are you hoping for? Tell me about that. Listen, I've never been like a huge party-goer when it comes to pride. i think that I stand for pride living in my life with like my husband and you know not being afraid to hold his hand in public or show any sort of affection in public. and I think that, you know, everyone can do it differently. And I'm feeling I'm feeling good this year. i I'm feeling very happy that literally everything this administration is doing is flopping in their face. Yeah.
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And their dicks are just exposed all the time. I think it's hilarious. um But I'm on guard because I don't want to think that everything's going to be fine. And so I'm just trying i'm trying to stay optimistic. But obviously I do have a little bit of pessimism in like you know everyday life because it feels like...
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Every day there's another dagger that's thrown at some community that I'm involved with and it sucks. But, you know, so far our shields have been up and I think we're doing a good job.
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But I think that there's a lot more to be done. And I don't know if that's going to be achieved by, you know, pride parties and stuff. I think that I think that people maybe take this year to reflect and then next year really reflect.
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think about what pride means to you and what it means to be able to celebrate and really what it's going to take to fight back against hate, essentially. i don't know That was kind of complicated, but that's kind of how I feel.
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What about you? Yeah. um You know, i've got I've got a lot of mixed emotions, I would say. i think... ah You know, like i I remain very worried about the state of safety um for LGBT people in the world in general, um you know, not just in America. But, you know, look, in Europe, there are certainly problems, too.
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And in other places, it's not just America and Europe and Africa and Asia, um you know, all all over the place. as As usual, there's always going to be problems for us um because. People are, I think that people who are not of us or people who have not come to grips with being of us, I think that they are constantly, um they are constantly threatened by the power that we have.
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And the power that we have is being people who accept ourselves unabashedly, um despite the difference that we have from the norm in the world.
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And I think that when when people do something like that, whether you're an artist or whether you're this or whether you're that or whether you're a gay person, um I think that really makes people nervous.
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It makes people very, very nervous. um you know, like you said earlier, we know we sort of the the world thrives on capitalism, at least most of it does. I mean, no, in fact, ah all of it does. Even even a communist place like China is if I got some news. It may be communist, but it's capitalist as fuck.
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So like so, I mean, what what we do who we are sort of upends all of that, right? Like it it it it upends like the very basis of what capitalism is, which is the family. And the family is is like this unit of work.
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You know, people people have a people have a family that that that that creates new workers to to help capitalism thrive. And the family unit continues to consume and to produce in order to to keep their unit going.
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And that's that's how capitalism works, man, at the very, very basis of it. People like us... upend that and and turn it on turn it on its head and say, we don't really want to be a part of that. We want to do something different.
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we We want to live our lives the way that we know our bodies are telling us we are supposed to live our lives. That's a long-winded thing, um but I hope it made sense. and Yeah, no, it makes sense.
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And um I think that's why we're constantly in danger. I think in America, I'm i'm still, i think you're right on all your points, but I'm i'm still very, very worried. You know, they are having a lot of of ah of mishaps with what they're trying to do, but they're also having a lot of success at the same time.
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And like, you know, that freaks me out. And it's like, you know, they're about to send the the National Guard to California, I guess, for um these these protests that they're calling insurrection.
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Like, you know it as well as I do. Someone's going to die. Someone's going to get shot. And like I'm worried about like what what does that do you know to to the rest of the protests, to the rest of what's going on.
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I'm worried about solidarity among people. you know There used to be really great solidarity among among various groups that that have been oppressed, not just queer people, but you know people of color and and and and this group and that group.
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I'm worried about that. um you know And you know I'm also just worried about the cynicism in the world. you know it's It's a tough world right now. And, you know, I get it. Staying hopeful is really hard. It's hard for me often, but I really am trying my hardest to do it. And, you know, I get why some people for for some people, it's very, very hard to stay hopeful and to stay, you know, feeling proud in that way. But I don't know. I hope people find their way back to that, because I i think there is still a lot of hope in the world if we if we allow ourselves to have it.
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And then I think finally for me, as a gay man who's, you know, well, at not well into, but, you know, like I'm going to be 43 this year. that i'm i'm not, you know, not young anymore. And um I think for me, I i don't, I don't, we talked about this before, but I think when we were growing up, I just think it was really hard to even imagine that we would have a life after like 35, if that makes sense.
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yeah And so, you know, now here I am having this life well after 35 and like doing pretty well. And, you know, I haven't figured out the love thing yet, but,
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you know i feel pretty proud about all that I've done despite the world you know trying to not let me do it. but yeah you know Constantly being oppressed. and yes like yeah yeah I totally get what you're saying. yeah you know like you know like Me and you, and and you know Michael for that matter, and you know and a lot of our gay friends, not all of them. but um you know like i Not all of them. right I think we have done a fantastic job of of proving everyone wrong.
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And of surviving and thriving and doing really good things in the world for people um and having fun and being ourselves. And I, and I'm really, I think I'm, I'm really proud, especially that I've, I've just come to accept myself even more and more and more than I ever thought I could.
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And so that's a really long way of saying I'm, I'm really proud this year. And I think, Pride 2025 is one that we all really need to celebrate hard. But also, like you said earlier, Andrew, we all need to really reflect on what we need to do to make this something that is going to be permanent, how we can continue the fight, how we can keep it going.
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And that's and that's like ah why I don't i don't get like the anti-sentiment towards pride. like yeah well Don't you want to see people be happy? No. You know what, Andrew? I don't think that they do.
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i It's so weird to live your life and just want to destroy. like Just want to destroy everything. It's such a weird way of living. well You know, it's it's like...
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Who are all these adults that think they get to tell other adults how to live? Right. It's so crazy. and then And then sit there and fucking claim to you with a straight face, pardon in the pun, that that they believe in small government.
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Are you fucking kidding me? Get the fuck out of my face, motherfucker. no why You no believe in control. yeah right No one's telling you that you can't go to church. No one's telling you that you can't believe what you want to believe.
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All that we're saying is that we have a right to our relationships. We have a right to our children. We have a right to to take part in the economy in the same way that you do.
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And you don't get to tell us no. And frankly, we don't get to tell you no either. Right? Right. Like, why can't we just live that way? And at the end of the day, Andrew, it's it's all about because it's just back to the power. It's just back to the power.
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You know? Fuck. the The need for power in society is such a disease. discuss really Disgusting. disgusting. But anyway.
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All right. Well, should we talk a little bit about the state of gay baiting these days? Because I think it's at, I think it's at, I don't know, I don't know about you, but I think it's at an all time high when it comes to. 100%.
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ah hundred percent When it comes to um porn, when it comes to social media, when it comes to OnlyFans and all these things. Oh my God, OnlyFans especially? Holy shit.
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I just saw a reel the other day that it's this one financial guy that I follow. I don't know his handle right now, but he pretty much just like breaks down people's financials in front of them to like be like, hey, this is why you're not doing good, like and basically.
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And this guy, who's 40 years old, he had thousands 50 OnlyFans subscriptions. Oh, yeah. 50. Oh, yeah. and So those are like what I'd say anywhere from $1.99 to $15 a month. Or even more.
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And that's insane. It is. y'all need to Y'all need to remember what we went through in the early 2000s where porn loaded at a, at a at a at what is it called? On a dial-up, for God's sake. Well, it was like picture like pictures in a row. It wasn't even a video. Oh, yeah. No, it was like – I mean it it took me like 15 minutes to download a single photo for God's sake. like It was absolutely insane.
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No, I mean, yeah, I've – you know, Andrew, what what ah it's – I recently saw there's two brothers um and they they they came up on on some social media feed.
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And they're bono they're both like really, i mean, they are incredibly hot. what It's Kurtz, Adams, Rosenthal's, and then I forget his brother's name. And these are are two straight guys, I just want to point that out, who who do OnlyFans. And they are both like um Olympic canoers. I don't know the exact sport, but they ah they're they're in a lot of hot water because Kurtz, who's the older one, and he is, I'm not going lie, he is a sexy person.
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um He like apparently, ah he got kicked off Team GB for the Olympics because they found out about his OnlyFans. like yeah what's What's really interesting though is like the these two brothers, they talk about it really openly and they do all these funny videos together and blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And, um, and you know, they talk about how, you know, they know that most of their fans are us, you know, they're of gay guys. And, um, you know, there's something just really interesting about that.
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Like it's, it's interesting and kind of a little bit bizarre. Um, I don't know, but at the same time, like that, that's like the more of the porn angle. The rest of it's been going on for so long. It's like you've got, think about some like some of the really great gay roles that we've seen in in film.
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Like think about Brokeback Mountain, for example, a movie that I quite adore. I don't know. Do you like Brokeback Mountain? Um, it's not in my like, uh, watch all the time lexicon, but I mean, I have seen it once or twice. I think it's, I think it's a good movie. It's not something, I don't know. I i don't like sad things anymore. so fair enough. fair enough yeah and so but But, you know, I think we can both agree. Brokeback Mountain is a very serious part of the queer lexicon and in terms of films.
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And both of those roles, Ennis and Jack played by Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal, two straight guys. yeah if If we think about the movie Milk, but Harvey Milk in it, who is who was he played by? Not by a gay guy, but by Sean Penn.
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If you think of- Yeah, Andrew Beckett in Philadelphia, played by Tom Hanks. Carol and in In Carol, played by Cate Blanchett. Elio and Oliver in Call Me By Your Name, Timothee Chalamet in Armie Hammer.
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Um, God, who else, uh, uh, in monster Eileen Wuornos played by Charlize Theron in boys. Don't cry transgender Brandon, Tina played by Hillary swing. I mean, I look, I could go on and on and ah without even thinking about like, uh, Capote Philip Seymour Hoffman played playing a guy.
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So, I mean, you know, the, it's, it's not just, you know, gay guys doing gay for pay and porn. it's also kind of gay for pay in film too. Oh yeah. And, and think, think of all those movies you just listed, all of them award winning.
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Without a doubt. Exactly. And, but then, you know, you've got these other films where like, like think about it's like some, maybe like some lesser known films or films that you know really well, but didn't win awards. Think about the bird cage, for example, you've got, you know, Albert being played by Nathan Lane, one of like,
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The most stellar performances ever just so fucking good or in gods and monsters Ian McKellen or in looking Russell Tovey or you know or or Jonathan Groff for that matter right lots of really great performances lots of really great things that don't get noticed as much as all the ones that I just talked about right and I think that's just kind of really bizarre and you know I wonder with porn sometimes too like those brothers that I that I mentioned Like, yeah, look, they are really, really hot. I'm not going to lie to you.
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But I wonder, like, did they make more because because they're straight and because we know that, you know what i mean? i do remember um this one. i don't know if you remember this show, but it was MTV's True Life.
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okay did you remember these little like mini documentaries sure and there was one that was talking about um i'm straight but i play a gay porn star like that's and i distinctly remember them saying in that document these so if you don't remember true life were like an hour-long mini documentary like on like one thing so i think there was one like I'm 16 and pregnant. That's how that, that show got off the air. Like there's different like little mini things. And one of them was gay for pay.
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And I remember them saying in that that, that they make so much more in gay porn than they would in straight porn. And that's why they do it. They're like, why would I do straight porn for an hour when I can make 10 times more money playing gay porn for an hour?
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And like, I get it from that angle, but also like, I've seen some of these like quote unquote gay for pay porn stars. They look like they're enjoying themselves. So I don't know what that says about like internalized homophobia and like how you think about yourself or whatever. But listen, I've, I've seen some Corbin Fisher that looks like they're, they're having a good time. yeah I've seen, I've seen plenty of it. my I used to be a subscriber myself. I mean, it's, it's just, it's absolutely wild. ah
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But you know, and I, I wonder how like, I mean, because here's the thing, like we we we know that some people are straight, but we don't always know that they're not. Do you know what? And that's that's always been my thing is like, why are we so afraid to be like ah fluid?
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Why are we so afraid to just understand that sexuality is a spectrum and that like. Everyone can ride the spectrum at a different, like and on a different cart. You know what i mean? It's not, we don't all have to be the same. That's like, what's so beautiful about being human is that we're not the same.
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it We can, we can exist on a plane of just like, It's like, it's so weird because like, even think about like what you do for a living. Like you, you work in social media, you live grounded in like that world.
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I work in healthcare. care i like being grounded in that world. And marketing. And some of our friends are grounded in like the film and television world. And, but they're all different. Why can't we, why can't we think about just existing as a human as we exist in, in life as a job? Like,
00:21:52
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It's different for everybody. And so, like, just be exploratory. Like, figure it out. Be what's you. I don't know why we have to be so divisionary on sexuality. It's so strange to me.
00:22:04
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Yeah. Well, i I think the most important thing is is, you know, as you just said there, just, like, the courage to be yourself. Yeah. But I just, I don't, I don't think, um, I don't think that knowing yourself is really prioritized in today's world.
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And i I think, I think it gets replaced by, by this, like this notion that sort of approaches knowing yourself. Like the only way that you can really know yourself in like today's world is like through the economy. Like you, you buy this or you buy that, or you like, you go to therapy, but like people don't really go to therapy to like actually do the work. Now they just go to therapy to complain.
00:22:44
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And so like you've got all these people and I really do need to talk to. Well, yeah. And it's, and it's, I just think that's, I think that's, I think that's really bizarre. And, and like, i and and like the, the amount of money that people spend on like all these self-help things or these diet plans or the, this thing or that thing or this thing or that. paul It's just like, everyone is, is, is, is grasping for any straw they can for for and And hoping that one of those straws will finally tell them this is who you are.
00:23:17
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When what they could do is just stop and take a break and look inside and be quiet maybe for a minute and listen to themselves and finally know who you are, who you really are inside and what you really want and what really enhances your life and would make your life good.
00:23:35
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Well, I think it it really shows like how lonely our world has gotten and how like everyone just is like grasping for connection, whether that's through um social media or like um through – it's just like everyone is so lonely.
00:23:53
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Yeah, lonely but more connected than ever before. Yeah, but it's false connection. Yeah, that's just it. You know what mean? But they wouldn't say it. They wouldn't say it.
00:24:04
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You know? yeah And and i and i think that's I think that's really sad. And i you know, look, I i think that You know, we we could we could peel that onion and find a lot of different pockets. I i think it's true in the gay community, too. You know, I think i think gays are are definitely more connected than they have ever been in the history of being gay.
00:24:21
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And look, i'm I'm including all the alphabet there, right? I mean, you've got Grindr, you've got Scruff, you've got Sniffies, you've got all the i tons of stuff. I don't even know what it is, for God's sake. Plus, like, you know, you're you're more like, you know, less sex-centered things, Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, all all that kind of shit.
00:24:39
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Not to mention just your social media in general. There are more ways to connect with gay people now than there have ever been in the history of being LGBTQ, period. And what do we find in our community? We find in our community still a lot of pain.
00:24:52
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We find a lot of of really bad substance abuse. I was just reading an article yesterday about chem sex and about these you know sex parties with with G and and this whole like h and H subculture and this thing and that thing. No, I, you are speaking different language. I'll tell you, ah you know, you should really look into it and like, you know, look, I'm on Grindr, you know, i'm I'm, I'm single right now. And, and, um, you know, when I, when I open up the app and,
00:25:18
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you know, you look at the grid, it's there's h and H, which means high and horny all over the place. And if, and you know, if you don't know what that means, that means that like that person is doing some serious fucking drugs. And probably like if you, if you were to go meet them, you would probably be meeting them with a big group of people who are all doing drugs and they're doing, it and they're doing Tina and math and they're doing this and that, and they're doing G and it's, it's very fucking dangerous, addictive shit.
00:25:45
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And look, you know, if People can do whatever they want to do. I'm just saying one of the avenues that gets you to that point of doing drugs that are that dangerous, of putting yourself in really dangerous situations,
00:25:59
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It is loneliness. Loneliness is part of the reason why people do these things because they have no one else to connect to. And deep inside that leaves a void that they're trying to fill. This is, i mean, look, mean, don't to be fucking Freud to figure this out. You know what i mean?
00:26:14
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Right. Yeah. You know, look, people are fucking lonely. I'm glad you said that word. And that's something that we have to figure out. And, you know, maybe... maybe you know this pride and maybe you know it's moving on from here like maybe it's a chance for us to start connecting to each other in better ways like i mean honestly just last week i i really did have this thought like wow i need to make some more gay friends here and not friends that i'm fucking yeah you know what i mean not friends that i meet on grinder that's not a friend i need to like i i need to like go join the gay running club that meets every saturday i need to go like
00:26:46
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go to this, this cultural event or that thing and like go meet some more people. And I've never had a problem making friends, but I really did suddenly feel like, man, I, I need some more gay friends here.
00:26:57
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And well, but I mean, i i mean, I'm the same way. Like we have we have a lot of friends, but a lot of our friends are scattered now. And been my it's been a long time since we've like actively ri reached out to like try to make new connections. And I don't know if that's an age thing or I don't know if that's just like ah a life thing, but it is probably a little bit of both.
00:27:23
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I mean, it is your, your social circles get smaller and smaller while, ahs are true while the reach gets bigger and bigger as like, history it's, it's so weird. i And then you can't even factor into like your parasocial, like, yeah like weird things that you have with podcasts, with reels, with ah YouTube, with all these things that you, you, you are starting, you don't even realize it, but you establish connections with these people that have no idea you exist.
00:27:52
Speaker
Well, and you know, if if you think about it too, like it's, I think it's especially important for us because, you know, unlike our, our straight counterparts, a lot of us, you know, some people do, but I would say the grand majority of gay people do not have children.
00:28:07
Speaker
What does that mean? It means that when you get old, no one's going to take care of you. Right. And like, this is something on my mind now because I am in my forties and like before, before I know it, I'm going to snap my fingers and I'm going to be 70 one day.
00:28:22
Speaker
You know what i mean? And maybe I, but hopefully I will not still be working by then. That would be nice. And like, I'm going to have to figure out like, what am I doing next? You know, look, I've, I've had conversations before with a couple of my friends,
00:28:35
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um And, you know, like like Bobby, for example, who Andrew knows. And, um you know, we've we've said like, hey, maybe at a certain point if we're not married and nothing else is going on, maybe we get a house together and we, you know, kind of just like take care of each other when we're old.
00:28:49
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Yeah, for sure. You know what? that wouldn't That wouldn't be a bad thing. But, you know, I've got friends. You've got friends. Think about how many people really don't have friends that they could rely on for that.
00:29:00
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What are you going to do when you get old? You know, Jesus. Oh, han girl, I know you. You are going to work until the day you die. i don't know. Listen, I know. I know. I know. Trust me. I know. But, you know, wouldn't it be nice to not hear or but what would what would be really great? Anyone listening that's rich out there and sexy.
00:29:20
Speaker
Maybe I'll find a gay ah a gay. Of course, you'd be gay, but maybe you find a rich husband. That would be the worst thing in the world. Yeah. And okay. So now I want to talk a little bit about the dark handed side of gay baiting. Let's go baby There are a lot of people and I'm, I'm going to, I'm going kind of isolate this to actors at this point because we could, we could go on and on about all the different weird things that people do, um,
00:29:43
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sure um There are a number of actors that early on in their career have played gay characters. I, for one, I'm okay with it. I think that telling stories is important and whoever wants to tell the story, you know, like let's do it with as much authenticity as possible.
00:30:01
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um But then there is the dark side of it. So we we have the light side of it, like Heath Ledger, who actively spoke up during his press tour about, you know, about that movie. Yeah.
00:30:12
Speaker
And we have people like Ryan Phillippe, who is now coming out and talking about when he played a gay character, the first gay character on daytime TV. yeah um So we have those advocates for us. And that's that's awesome because, you know, that and that you know that they have interacted with, you know, many, many gay people throughout their ah careers. And so they understand the plight and they understand like how they can help lift up, but also live their own lives, which is great.
00:30:36
Speaker
Then we have people. like the tragic broken hearts club you've never seen broken hearts club it is about a ah group of gay men most of them played by straight people i think the older man in that movie is actually be was gay um but you know for the most part we have timothy oliphant um zach braff uh a number of them who were who are now who are now straight who have always been straight who who Who was gay though? John Mahoney is gay.
00:31:04
Speaker
That's who talk that was what I was thinking of. Yeah. yeah And of course, but but Billy Porter is gay too. Yeah. But yeah, the the other ones are, as far as I know, straight. And one of them is a real dick fuck. And that's who we're going to talk about.
00:31:16
Speaker
So. There's one actor in this who obviously knew how to gay bait back in his day, because not only did he play, you know, in the Broken Hearts Club, but he also played Superman in a ah latex or whatever you want call that fabric, very tight outfit.
00:31:33
Speaker
And like, let's be honest. Not a lot of people that were watching Lois and Clark back in the day were watching it as like a straight woman wanting Dean Cain. It was all little gay boys being like, holy shit, my sexual awakening is Superman.
00:31:48
Speaker
know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. And nowadays, Dean Cain, this piece of crap, has completely turned his head and it's become a completely right wing oh he's mad crazy person. He's all mega now.
00:32:01
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I recently, um i don't know why we get fed this. Every once in a while, I check in on our Twitter account just to make sure that there's no one that's like reaching out via messages or just like needing you know wanting to get a hold of us in some way, shape, or form. 99% of the time, there's nothing there anymore because it's all crap nowadays.
00:32:19
Speaker
um But every once in a while, I just get randomly fed things by Dean Cain. And I'm like, what is this guy doing? And he's he is the craziest motherfucker. Like he just hes actively hates people.
00:32:32
Speaker
And I don't get this. Like it's. You built your career on the backs of everyone loving you and to do and to turn your back on them. It's so sickening to me. And it's happened with so many people.
00:32:44
Speaker
I mean, I'm not just like, you know, like take for instance, Christy Swanson, for instance, Jesus God Almighty. Who, um, let's also, by the way, has been to my family pig roast, just a reminder there, but like, like built on the backs of Buffy, the vampire slayer, the movie for the most part.
00:33:03
Speaker
And let's be honest about 40% of Buffy fans are gay people. Like, let's just like, let's just stop it right there. I mean, that's why there's so much love for Sarah Michelle Gellar these days. And so like, because guess what? She's actively a good person and still wants to help people and uplift people, even when uplifting herself. That's what I don't think that these people understand is that you can actively uplift people and be nice, but also like uplift yourself.
00:33:31
Speaker
And that's what a community is for. Well, I i think that there, look, what what I think the, um, MAGA people are deranged.
00:33:42
Speaker
And, and this is why I think they're deranged because they think that the cake that is America or the pie or however however you want to think about it, the buffet, that there isn't actually enough to go around.
00:33:53
Speaker
Like they honestly, truly in deep in their hearts believe that if, if somebody is, is doing, if somebody is doing well, that isn't them.
00:34:05
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It's somehow taking from them in one way or another. And that is just not the truth. It's just not the truth. And America is a place that that can help people, that can build people up, that can give people an opportunity, especially those who really need it.
00:34:20
Speaker
And they don't believe that that is the case. And they forget that they were given an opportunity, that they have been helped, that they didn't just bootstrap everything and figure it out. And Dean Cain, listen,
00:34:32
Speaker
I just want to remind people all Dean Cain has done act. That's it. That's all that he's done. And people like I'm not, I'm not like cute about that kind of shit. Like acting is like I've done it before. You just, you get up and you pretend that's, that's what you do.
00:34:48
Speaker
Congratulations. I'm, I'm very, very proud of you. He has not done anything else in his fucking life except get up and play some fucking roles on a screen. And one of them was playing playing gay gay for pay and pretending like that was okay when when he wanted to fucking you know make money off of us. i I think he's a disgusting human being.
00:35:05
Speaker
I really do. Yeah. yeah it's It's really sad when people turn their backs on communities that have built them It's absolutely gross. It makes like, you know, movie that I held very deep in my heart for a long time, something that I can't even watch anymore. You know what I mean? It sucks.
00:35:22
Speaker
Pathetic. All right. Well, I think we did it. think we did. True. Fantastic. In real life. And I want people to remember it's all, it's not all doom and gloom. I do want you to go out and have fun and, and celebrate yourselves because you're beautiful.
00:35:37
Speaker
And that's all. Yeah, absolutely. Like go out there and fucking do it. People like, Go out there and be unabashedly yourself. Go have sex with who you want to have sex with.
00:35:48
Speaker
Go have fun all month long. You fucking earned it. Jesus. go Go roll around in the grass. It's fun out there. And and and and we're going to take a little roll over to what we call what you've been watching, bitch.
00:36:03
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Let's all go to the lobby, let's all go to the lobby, let's all go to the lobby to get ourselves a treat.
00:36:14
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And we're back with what you've been watching, bitch. What you've been watching, you pride-celebrating bitch? That's right, baby. Listen, this is the portion of our show where we talk about the things that we have been watching or reading or going to or listening to.
Media Reviews and Critiques
00:36:28
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um So, Andrew, tell me, what is something that you've been watching, bitch? What? My first one is one of the newer ones on shutter. Yes, I do log into that account every once in a while to see what's going on over there. um And I watched a movie called bloody ax wound. What a name Mike. Have you heard of this?
00:36:47
Speaker
I have not. um So this is kind of one of those like tongue in cheek, like meta type movies where like the characters in the movie kind of know something that you don't know. And it's all about this fictional town where there has been like a series of murders throughout the years.
00:37:05
Speaker
and And people just don't know what's going on, but they've kind of just accepted that there's like a serial killer and that like some people will die every year of the senior class. yeah And then we get it kind of a behind the scenes. i don't know if you've ever seen um behind the mask, the rise of Leslie. yeah Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's kind of in that vein, like where you're behind the scenes.
00:37:24
Speaker
And it's all about this girl who her dad is the serial killer, but she like is trying to like, help him and she's trying to like take up like the family business type thing nice and so um she's all on board until new love interest is the next victim and then she has to try to figure out the uh navigate that whole system and so this was pretty fun mean it's definitely like a 90 minute just like get in get out and you're you know you don't to think about it too much but I had fun with it. It definitely plays that line of like meta humor.
00:37:58
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It doesn't take itself too seriously, but it was a pretty good time. So if you're looking for, you know, these kind of like um diamond in the rough shutter releases, I would say bloody ax is amongst those.
00:38:10
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Nice. ah My first one, Andrew, is not a movie, not a book, not even an album. It is a concert. I went I've i've got a lot of great concerts this summer. And I talked about the in the last episode, I talked about going to see the Scissor Sisters.
00:38:24
Speaker
um Last week, I got to go see Bonnie Raitt at Vicar Street in Dublin. um We saw we saw her together. We did at Wrigley Field. um Great show. um where she didn't sing i Can Make You Love Me, but that's fine because I accidentally played that song in a bar one time and it made everyone very sad. Good.
00:38:43
Speaker
um Listen, this was ah this is a beautiful show. Vicar Street in Dublin is it's on Thomas Street, not far from like the Guinness Storehouse. um And it's a great venue. it's it's um It's kind of like just the right size. um And it's small enough that you can just get something really kind of intimate and cool.
00:39:01
Speaker
And um she was wonderful. She was absolutely wonderful. I mean, look, Bonnie Raitt is, um you know, look, she's not young anymore, you know, and um she is out there looking great.
00:39:12
Speaker
She is out there playing so well and her voice is so good still. Good. that That night she played some really great tunes. She played Thing Called Love.
00:39:23
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She played Something to Talk About. She played Angel from Montgomery And she did indeed play. I can't make you love me. Oh, it was, it was beautiful. It was absolutely, it was, it was stunning. It was such a great show. I'm so glad that I went.
00:39:38
Speaker
Um, so look, I mean, i love live music and you know, people out there, look, let your life be full of live music, man. It's so worth it. That, that, that, that concert ticket, if there's somebody that you wanting to see, go do it. Cause it will just be a wonderful experience. And this really was a great experience. Loved it.
00:39:57
Speaker
But don't spend too much money because it's not worth it. No, I'm just I'm raging against like some very prestige concerts that I would like to go to, but I just can't put the money towards it. I guarantee Bonnie Raitt was not like that. No, well, I mean, you know, here's the thing. I will say like, you know, I paid I think I paid like 70 euro for it.
00:40:16
Speaker
for it which is no, which I'm talking about lady guy are costing $800. Yeah. Yeah. And that that's just it. It's like, you know, look, Bonnie rate is a fucking actual legend, like a legend of both country music, rhythm and blues and like, and like blues and even kind of jazz.
00:40:35
Speaker
Like she is a living like legend. She's absolutely incredible. Paying 70 euro for her was not a problem for me at all. Of course. Yeah, you're you're right. It's like, you know, 800 for Gaga. Or I just saw somebody talking about how like Shawn Mendes is like 2300 bucks for a ticket and or like this person or that. But I'm like, or or even like, like Taylor Swift with how much she was fucking charging.
00:40:59
Speaker
I'm sorry. Like, that's that's really fucked up. I think it's really fucked up. And like, you know, look, the artists, they I don't care what anyone says. They have a voice in that. So like, I love i love Gaga.
00:41:11
Speaker
But Gaga, you could be saying, hey, I'm not going to play fucking shows if you're charging that much money. Well, she did. good She did just do a free concert and ah a free concert. And what was that?
00:41:23
Speaker
Brazil, I think. Oh, great. Awesome. Yeah, definitely. Everyone can get down to Columbia to see that. But I mean, good for the people in Columbia. But it's just like if she it's it's just like with Taylor Swift, she's taylor swift a fucking billionaire.
00:41:34
Speaker
If she said, actually, record company and ticket a company, I'm not going to fucking do it if you charge that much money. Yeah, or they would they would have to let she has that leverage. Or could you not just be like, hey, a portion, you know, like ah two thirds of my tickets, I want to be affordable. You know what i mean? It is what it is. wait I could go on and on, but that's not the point.
00:41:53
Speaker
But in all right. My next one. is Poker Face Season 2. This is the Natasha Lyonne show, basically, where ah the the point of the show is that she has an inherent ability to be able to spot liars. like She knows when people are lying. And every episode is kind of a murder she wrote of you know like that time of her going to a place.
00:42:19
Speaker
It's usually her like working at a new place and like there's like some drama that unfolds or a murder or something and she plays ah She plays a role in how it all happened and tries to figure it out. it's It's a very Matlock murder. She wrote that era of like a crime of the week.
00:42:36
Speaker
You know what I mean? Sure, sure, But listen, it's Natasha Lyonne. And I know she's in some hot water right now for her usage of AI. But like can we just not with this? like Everyone's using AI.
00:42:48
Speaker
Stop. Stop it. Just for a little interlude on that. I've got some news people. AI is not going away. it's It's not going to go away no matter how much you want it to or how much whatever.
00:43:00
Speaker
It won't. So like, i don't know what to try try to make a way to be friendly with it. Like that that's what I'm trying to do. We've got to figure it out. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, there's nothing nothing that you and I are going to figure out. I got some news for you. Like ah the people who make it, they're going to do it.
00:43:14
Speaker
The best you can do is learn how to live with it and not be constantly annoyed by it. But you can also learn how to ignore the stupid shit. And like, frankly, you can do that. you can't you can figure it but anyway um this poker face season really fun um it's got a great cast of cameos that show up it is insane the caliber of actors they got to do little pocket episodes in this season and listen i know peacock doesn't have like the best uh like original content but this is amongst the best of their original content so good to hear if you want to do like a little mini like hey sign up for the 30 day like free subscription you know watch uh poker face and the traders and i think you're gonna get your money's worth so that's poker face season two we love natasha leone come on the show very cool uh my next one andrew guess what it's another fucking concert it is now
00:44:09
Speaker
So yesterday, actually, I went to right right by my house. It's called the Royal Kilmainham Hospital. um it's It's where the the Irish Museum of Modern Art is. It's a beautiful old, like, like it just a cool fucking building. it's ah It's an old hospital, of course.
00:44:26
Speaker
And there's beautiful grounds there and gardens and everything else. And during the summer, they have a bunch of concerts. Yesterday, they had a little, like, mini one-day festival called In the Meadows. um And headlining it was Iggy Pop.
00:44:39
Speaker
um So yesterday I saw Iggy Pop. I saw Slow Dive, one of my favorite bands. Absolutely adore Slow Dive. Also saw some bands I've never seen before. Gila Band. They were really, really cool.
00:44:50
Speaker
A band called The Scratch, who are apparently really popular, but I've never heard of them before. I'm getting old now. I saw this crazy Irish guy called Meryl Streak, who was very weird, but but good. And people people in that little show really, really liked it um And I saw god I saw one more. who I can't even remember right now, but it doesn't matter. Whatever.
00:45:13
Speaker
um Really just a lot of fun. One of the cool things is that it's right by my local. So I was able to go to my pub first and then and then go into the show. um i had a great time. um Slow Dive were absolutely incredible.
00:45:25
Speaker
um If you don't know Slow Dive, highly recommend looking into them. and They don't have a lot of albums. They don't need to because they're that good. um And Iggy Pop. Man, going to tell you what. Iggy Pop is an old motherfucker.
00:45:37
Speaker
going to say. He has done a lot of drugs in his life, and he has done ah just a lot of shit, man. He is still out there sounding good. He does the whole show with his shirt off.
00:45:48
Speaker
He is dancing around the stage, just making it happen. And it's it's incredible to watch. it's it is yeah I can't believe he can still do it, but he can. So yet another really great live music experience that was in the Meadows at the Royal Kilmainham Hospital.
00:46:04
Speaker
Just really good stuff. I had a great time. Awesome. Sounds fun. um My next one is, listen, I can't keep up with what we're calling the streaming platform anymore. i think it's now back to HBO Max, but Max, whatever, HBO Demand. think there's like a million different names for it.
00:46:23
Speaker
But listen, there's a show on there called The Pit. Have you seen this show? I have not, no. Oh, but wait, wait, wait. No, I've heard of it, though. i have Is it PITT? Yes. It's like Pittsburgh.
00:46:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, sure, for sure, sure. It's basically, so what the show was supposed to be was it was supposed to be the resurgence of ER. Okay. Like ah the old the old show back on NBC back in the day.
00:46:47
Speaker
But they couldn't secure the rights to yeah ah ER, r so they just made a new show about a new medical drama called The Pit. And it stars Noah Wiley from Yeah. er r Um, and it's every episode is one hour in the day. So it's a one hour long episode. It's a one hour long, like whatever in the yeah ER in like 24, for example.
00:47:06
Speaker
Exactly. um but what this show does so good is that they have done their research and made it as medically accurate as possible. wow And it just, it's, it's, it listen, this is not a show you turn on before you go to bed because it is stressful as hell. I mean, it's an ER in a major city where there's no medical insurance essentially. So, So, I mean, this is this is some straight up crazy shit that happened.
00:47:29
Speaker
And there is an arc in there. um I don't want to give anything away, but a big a big thing happens. And it happens over a couple of hours during this show. And it is very riveting and very sad. And it's just... It's a great show. i can't recommend it more. like more And i listen, I don't really like medical dramas that that much. i did watch I did watch ER back in the day, but since then...
00:47:52
Speaker
I have not watched Grey's Anatomy. i have not watched any of these like 911 or like any of these medical dramas. i'm I mostly signed on to this one because I saw it was Noah Wiley and I wanted to see like what he was up to.
00:48:04
Speaker
And got to tell you, it's a great show. It's great. Really, really great. And it's got our our girl from Chucky in it, um Fiona Dourif. Oh, cool. um And then um Brad Dourif, who you know famously is the voice of Chucky, plays her dad, who is actually her dad in the show, which is kind of fun.
00:48:21
Speaker
So if you're not watching The Pit and you want something kind of like heart racing, I would say give it a shot. And you can actually see what a real hospital feels like these days because it's not good, people.
00:48:34
Speaker
It ain't good. ah My next one is not a concert. It is a movie. It is Dangerous Creatures. ah I was at the um at ah a ah preview screening of of it at Lighthouse Cinema in Dublin. I going say, and don't I don't think it's out here yet.
00:48:48
Speaker
Yeah. um ah So dangerous and dangerous animals, not dangerous creatures. Is that what I said? I meant dangerous animals, not creatures. Pardon me. um So dangerous animals is a it's one of those shark movies. ah You know, people out there, they they love their shark movies. um ah Look, I'm not one of them.
00:49:06
Speaker
I'm not going lie to you. I. i i
00:49:12
Speaker
Why am I struggling with this one? I don't mean to. Like Jaws is something, right? And I haven't seen Meg or or Meg 2 or whatever, but I think people like that quite a bit. um Everything that I'm seeing on Letterboxd points to the fact that a lot of people, love that people that we know, really like this movie. And I'm happy for them.
00:49:32
Speaker
Um, I'm just not really one of them. Um, and I'm not one of them because this is just a movie where like, it's, it's like one of those like edging movies. Like it's just constantly edging you and edging you and edging you and like never like just getting you off.
00:49:46
Speaker
And it like so many stupid things happen to like, just make you frustrated. And I just, when that happens in a movie like this, I'm like, you're just, you're just doing it to make like this, the movie go on longer.
00:49:59
Speaker
And I really just don't appreciate that. Like maybe this should it have just been 75 minutes and not 93, you know? And, um, you know, look, I don't think it's all bad. I think that the, the main, um,
00:50:10
Speaker
the main heroine here. I forget her name, to be honest. um But ah but but she she was actually pretty good. the the main The main guy in this, he he's he's very cute. The killer...
00:50:23
Speaker
ah he's, he's pretty annoying, but like, I mean, look, he, he does a pretty good job of like, of like playing, playing the role. I i would say um there is some bad CGI in it. If I'm being honest, like there are just some effects that like don't work.
00:50:35
Speaker
And like, I don't know, it could be, I just saw like a preview reel that like just wasn't fully done. That might, that might be it. But like, I'm not gonna lie, it but there's a couple parts where I was like, is, are you being real with me right now? that that's That's what this effect is?
00:50:50
Speaker
And like I said, maybe I saw some other cut of it that like, maybe it's not final. I have no idea. But I think it's kind of weird that it looked that way to me. Um, you know, look, I, I, I had fun in, in the beginning, but towards the end of it, like I, I literally got up as soon as I could out of, out of the cinema. And I said, that's a fucking stupid movie.
00:51:08
Speaker
And yeah I was walking out and ah there were couple of people in front of me who were in there too. And I was like, well, that's going to win an Oscar. um so look i i'm saying this i bet a lot of people are either going to love this or they're really not going to like it i'm in the other half but i mean look if it's shark movies really aren't my thing in the first place so you know whatever it is what it is i'm great and i'm grateful i'm grateful i got to see it for free yeah yeah yeah this one to me when i saw the preview i was like so are we just doing wolf creek on water like i don't know if like that's kind of what it looked like to me but yeah I don't know. I think this is the one i probably will wait and just when it goes to streaming because I think it's a shutter movie. So I think it will eventually be for free. So I i yeah i don't think you're truly you're not missing anything by going to the theater. You're not.
00:51:50
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, my last one is presence. ah Do you know anything about this movie? ah No, I haven't even heard of it. So it's the newest Steven Soderbergh movie. Oh, really?
00:52:02
Speaker
And it's currently on Hulu. So I'm guessing for you that it's on Disney Plus as well. ah This was an interesting one. um So the premise of this movie is that you are watching a family move into a new house and they you know they come with their existing drama and everything.
00:52:19
Speaker
but you're being told the movie through the eyes of a ghost. Oh, wow. Or a presence, if you will. Please tell me this was good because that sounds really cool. Listen, honestly, by the end of it, I was bought in. There is definitely some acting happening. You know what I mean?
00:52:39
Speaker
I guarantee there was a little bit of ad-libbing that went into this and maybe not by the best ad-libbers. ah But by the end of it, and by the end of, like, watching it, I was, like, totally in. It's got Lucy lou plays the mom. Okay. um And they they have two kids, or one, to ah like, ah both teenagers. Like, I'd say, like, maybe a senior and a junior in high school type of type of thing.
00:53:00
Speaker
Sure. um And there's just, there's been... So I'll just tell you like the the main premise is that the the youngest daughter, um she has lost a friend and you don't know how her friend ah passed away until much later in the movie. And I don't want to give that away because it's like it's part of the the premise.
00:53:18
Speaker
OK, but the way that they weaved that in and the way that they weaved in some of the other story, pretty haunting. I'm going to be honest. And there's all there there's a scene about by the end. that i don't i don't I turned to Michael and I said, I don't think I got what that meant.
00:53:32
Speaker
And so i would yeah I'd be eager for you to watch it and maybe understand if if you got the ending, like quote unquote got the ending. But even if I don't like get it, I still really liked it.
00:53:44
Speaker
And so kind of cool to see like the whole movie is shot kind of like floating around a house. it's it's It's very weird to like get be in that eye, but I really liked it. And now that it's free on on Hulu and probably Disney Max, I'd say people go check this out. It's pretty, pretty cool premise.
00:54:01
Speaker
Nice. I mean, it sounds really good. So I but i would love to watch that. you'll you'll You'll like it. You should watch it. oh Thank God. ah My final one, I am really late to the party, people.
00:54:13
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Extremely late. In fact, I am 13 years late to this. um I finally started watching Veep. and i didn't I didn't know that you didn't watch this. I never watched it. And so this is Veep with Anna Kolumski, Reed Scott, of course, Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Tony Hale, Timothy Simons, and a bunch of other fucking people. So funny. funny. And you know what? Yeah, i'm I'm having a great time with it. You know, it's um it's it's it's the show that I have on right now. Like when I'm like, you know how like when you're working and you're at home and like you're not on a meeting or whatever, you can have something on the background and like you can still pay attention and stick with it.
00:54:50
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That is my show right now. And so it's it's really fun to watch during the day. And it makes me giggle and stuff while I'm doing, you know, whatever I'm doing the fuck at work. And it's great. And it's, you know, i think anything that makes you think of it of of of an American administration that is not the one that is currently in power, I think that's really great. I think that's really, really wonderful.
00:55:12
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um I think my favorite characters on there are um her... um her one ah staffer mike who's just like he's just constantly like making fun of people yeah and and like and like really like digging into them hard i i just think he's so fucking funny um and i love a jonah when like jonah's constantly like like like the west wing i think it's hilarious um i think anna kolomsky my god god love her i've loved her so ever since what do you call it um My girl.
00:55:42
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My girl. Yes. um Yeah, it's it's a fun show. And you know what? Feels fucking good to laugh. It really does. Yeah, it's probably a pretty like posthumous time to watch that show with everything that's going on in the White House. It's probably pretty funny. It's wonderful. So I'm actually really grateful that I get to watch it now for the first time. I'm having a great time with it.
00:56:02
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Cool. Yeah. I watched all of that back in the day. Hell yeah. All right. Well, that does it for what you've been watching, bitch. Maddie brought us two great concerts with Bonnie Raitt and Iggy Pop.
00:56:14
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The movie Dangerous Animals, which I believe is coming out in theaters maybe next weekend or maybe it's out now. It should be out by now, I'd say. Yeah. And the TV show on HBO called Veep.
00:56:27
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And Andrew brought us Bloody Axe Wound on Shudder, Poker Phase Season 2 on Peacock, The Pit on HBO Max, and he watched Presence on Hulu. So folks, that does it for what you've been watching, Mitch. Stay
Review of 'The Lost Boys'
00:56:39
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tuned. We'll be right back with our first film of the episode, The Lost Boys.
00:56:45
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You'll never grow old, Michael, and you'll never die. Be one of us.
00:56:54
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notice anything unusual about Santa Carla yet? It's a pretty cool place. If you're Martian. Or a vampire.
00:57:08
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Dad!
00:57:11
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You know where Hudson's Bluff is? I can't beat your bike. You just have to try and keep up.
00:57:19
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How far are you willing to go, Michael? Guess first. How are those maggots?
00:57:36
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of this, Michael. Don't. It's blood.
00:57:47
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Now you know what we are. Now you know what you are. Help me! Stay back! Stay back! Help me! My own brother, a vampire. You wait till Mom finds out, buddy.
00:58:16
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are um You don't want to miss this.
00:58:27
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You smell like garlic.
00:58:34
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Well, hello, little boy Are you lost? Oh, no, you're just a lost boy. Maddie, tell us all about the Lost Boys. Sleep all day, party all night, never grow old, never die.
00:58:46
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It's fun to be a vampire. Two brothers move to the seemingly sleepy town of Santa Carla, California, only to discover it's crawling with vampires.
00:58:57
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As one brother falls under their spell, the other teams up with comic book-obsessed vampire hunters to save him and and the town from eternal damnation. Directed by Joel Schumacher. Written by Janice Fisher, James Jeremias, and Jeffrey Boehm.
00:59:14
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Produced and distributed by Warner Brothers. And here's the cast. Jason Patrick played Michael. Corey Haim played Sam. Kiefer Sutherland played David.
00:59:25
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Corey Feldman played Edgar Frog. Jameson Newlander played Alan Frog. The one and only Diane Wiest plays Lucy Emerson. ah Barnard Hughes plays Grandpa. Jamie Gertz plays Star. Brooke McCarter plays Paul.
00:59:39
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Billy Wirth plays Dwayne. And Alex Winter plays Marco. The film is rated R. It's 97 minutes long. From America. Released July 31st, 1987. Filmed in Santa Cruz, California.
00:59:51
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The budget was $8.5 million. And gross $32.2 million. and the gross was thirty two point two million Andrew, I understand this is a first-time watch for you. and Tell me all about it. Yeah, this has kind of just been like one of those movies that I i i know it, like just from being in the horror world. like i I know what it's about. like i kind of And so I just never, I don't know, I just never watched it.
01:00:13
Speaker
um But I knew that there was some gay undertones in this movie, so it fit perfectly with our gay baiting. Absolutely. We'll we'll talk about... um Corey Hames character in a little bit here because there's some definitely like over the top tones that he is gay.
01:00:30
Speaker
But um we'll talk about it because never been substantiated. um But overall, I mean, overall, I think this movie is just fine. I think that yeah it definitely suffers from being a late 80s movie because it is very...
01:00:44
Speaker
The editing in this movie is just so strange. And the way it's filmed is so... like it's all it It felt like somebody put like a cheesecloth up against like the camera and filmed this entire movie because everything is just so soft around the edges.
01:00:58
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You know what I mean? Yeah, do. And there's just so many scenes where it's like almost like dreamlike, but it's not but it's not a dream. It's yeah it's the movie. Yeah.
01:01:09
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And so like I kind of had a hard time getting into it totally. But by the end, like the last like 30 minutes, I was like sold on it. Like I really had fun with like the when they like lock themselves in the house and like start to fight off the vampires. I think that's when I finally settled in and like had fun with this because the rest of the the rest of the movie are people just saying Michael a million times. I know. They just say the name Michael every sentence. Listen, and as someone who is married to a Michael, I've i've heard that name enough. so Yeah, yeah. So but but overall, I still had fun with it. I think Jason Patrick is no he has never looked better than in this movie. Oh, 100%.
01:01:50
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such a babe in this movie um and he fits perfectly in that poofy haired late 80s uh smattering of hunks that we got um just like in our next movie we'll talk about the early 2000s hunks that we got so um oh yeah so overall i had a good time with it i just think it's a little bit confused and maybe a little bit maybe a little bit too long for the story they're trying to to to tell Um, because we never even really got a lot about like the mom or Max, who is the, is that the, the, uh, video store owner.
01:02:22
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Um, I don't know. It just doesn't feel like, ah it doesn't feel like a complete movie to me, but it doesn't stop me from having fun with it. So that's my overall thoughts. What about you? Yeah. I mean, I've been watching this since I was a kid.
01:02:33
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Um, and so, you know, it's, it's sort of like, um, you know i i had i had I always got a long story, a long way of saying things. but you know it It reminds me of like like like two years ago, right I had surgery.
01:02:46
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and so I had a group of like three or four friends here in Dublin who kind of like you know checked in on me or like spent time with me or you know whatever. and it and It was great it's like they because I couldn't do much. like They just came over and hung out basically.
01:02:58
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and um so yeah One of the things that I did was I bought i bought it. I knew I was going to be so bored. so I bought a puzzle. and The puzzle... was of the goonies poster right and then and then i also was like oh yeah i don't have my goonies dvd anymore i'll i'll buy it on on apple or whatever and so i bought that too and i was like oh that would be fun because i bet my friend susie uh has never seen this before and i was right and because susie's irish and is it wasn't a big thing over here and so and she's also younger than me um and so like we watched it and i was like wasn't that great and she was like yeah yeah
01:03:31
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yeah And like, if and like, you know, for me, like the Goonies is like one of the best things I've ever seen before. You know what mean? Like I just yeah love the Goonies. And like, for me, this isn't quite like that, but it's, it's along the same lines. Like I've, I've been watching lost boys for so long that like, it's just, I just fucking love it. Like it's, it's part of my childhood. It's part of my adolescence and, you know, probably somewhere deep in there too was, you know, a lot of crushing on a bunch of different people in this movie when I was, you know, coming up in the world.
01:04:00
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And um so, you know, like it it's interesting to hear, you know, from somebody like you who this is your first time watching it. And, yeah you know, I think for so many of us, we really do forget that some of our old classics. Yeah.
01:04:12
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Plenty of people that we know still haven't seen it yet. um So, you know, I guess what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say that I definitely still watch this movie through rose colored glasses for sure.
01:04:23
Speaker
Totally. I yeah totally get it. And, like you know, like this is it's still a really fun movie. Like, I mean, fucking Diane Wiest is in this, for God's sake. Like, I'm fairly sure this is her only horror film.
01:04:37
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And I just I fucking adore Diane Wiest. absolutely love her. guess if you consider Practical Magic a horror movie or not, because it's the only one I can think Honestly, I forgot she was in it. We'll include that in there. Okay, so she's got two, right?
01:04:51
Speaker
Kiefer Sutherland is in this as like you know a very young Kiefer Sutherland. um Jason Patrick is looking good in this. Sam, so totally. he looks He looks fucking amazing in this movie.
01:05:04
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Sam, played by Corey Haim. Oh, man. That kid is just Gay, gay as hell. And like that, I think that's, that's probably a little bit of it too, you know, like, and, but he's also gay with like a lot of, um, a lot of like courage behind him.
01:05:21
Speaker
You what mean? Like, you know, all these things. And, and, and I really do believe like Sam is gay in this. like i yeah He has a picture of a man pulling his shirt up on his wall. Who I, I'm pretty sure. Isn't that, is that person? Um, I wrote it. Isn't that person Rob Lowe or am I crazy? I didn't get a good look at it, but it's definitely Rob Lowe adjacent. Yeah, I think it's right. Like, I mean, come on. And like, that look look at the clothes that he wears. look Look at how he's like, you know, kind of like fashion forward and this and that, whatever.
01:05:48
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Like, it just kind of feels like, you know, this kid is on the verge of like realizing that he is gay. He has sos hair in the bathtub. Right. or a Gay boy. Didn't do that. Come on. girl Listen, I'm just gonna stop for a minute. that that That is the one part of this movie where I am like, what?
01:06:03
Speaker
Like the but the bathtub scene. Of him in the bathtub, but like, I did, like, it was just, that, that is, that is honestly bizarre. That, that is, if, if I could change one thing about this movie, that's it.
01:06:16
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It's, that scene's gotta go and replace it with something. I think it's fucking dumb, to be honest. um You know, so there's that. There's, there, it's, it's a vampire movie. I fucking love vampire movies. And like, you know, it's kind of like edgy and, you know,
01:06:30
Speaker
late 80s like it's just it's cool and like the the soundtrack is so fucking good echo in the cry little sister is a jam man like echo and the bunny men are in here and also if you if you listen all the way to the end of the credits i don't know if you did but did you hear though i don't even know who does it i i could have looked it up but i didn't um there's a cover of um of elton john don't let the sun go down on me no it it is definitely in there And like, i've I've actually never listened to it on the credits before, but for whatever reason, I let it just keep going.
01:07:04
Speaker
And I was like, is that a fucking cover of Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me? Like, this is, that is of such a weird choice. um Yeah, look, I mean, I just, I love it. I have so much fun with this movie.
01:07:15
Speaker
I like vampire movies in general. It's definitely a part of the the the the creature genre that I really get into. And this one hits ah hits on most things for me. So I still really enjoy it.
01:07:29
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's if it's a fun movie for sure. i just think that that the editing is very weird. It's just yeah like that you like the scenes where the vampires are attacking people like apart, you know, apart from like, yeah sorry, in the credits, they're listed as surf Nazis. Yeah. we get to see like that attack, like full force. Like we get to see like blood and like everything, but like in all the other scenes where they like are quote unquote, like attacking, like it's just like a scene of like car being ripped off, like the roof of a car being ripped off. And I'm like, what,
01:08:03
Speaker
what is this? It's weird. But, but no, I had to talk about fucking, um, Sam. Like he is gay. Like, I don't know how else to put it. Like all of his posters, you get to see a handful of his posters scattered throughout his room.
01:08:19
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They're all of hot guys. I mean, do I wish that I was that brave when I was a teenager? Sure. Because guess who I had on my wall? Sarah Michelle Gellar and Jennifer Love You. Yeah, exactly. Sure.
01:08:30
Speaker
Um, but yeah, I just, I think that that's like an underlooked part of this movie. And I do think that the grandpa kind of knows. And I think that the grandpa is trying to like be nice about it and like trying to like, let him be himself about it.
01:08:45
Speaker
Um, I, I do like the grandpa quite a bit. I think that his, um A whole arc of like knowing about the vampires the whole time, but it's not revealed till the end is pretty funny. um And I do like that his little TV guide subscription because I definitely had had totally a weird obsession with TV guide and back in the day, Disney magazine, which were the same size. They all were like that. Um,
01:09:08
Speaker
Not quite as big of the magazine, but like that smaller size. What is that like five by seven? Yeah. yeah um And I was obsessed with reading those things. I don't know why I just was. um And then I went on to Entertainment Weekly later. And so like I love that we can look back on those things. I think that magazines deserve to make a comeback. And I'm i'm glad that we were love featured in that haunted magazine, which I did order.
01:09:32
Speaker
I did order a copy. So I'm waiting. Oh, wonderful. Yes. Good. um So thanks again to those guys, which is really cool that they're still doing a printed magazine. I'm looking forward to reading it. You know what, i Andrew, I think you're going to like it so much to get a subscription, honestly. yeah It's a little expensive to get it over here, I'll be honest. But um maybe I'll try to find something that's ah more local with the same same energy.
01:09:55
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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I have in my... um ah I think that it's... It's sorry if at any time I call it Santa Clarita because I can't get Santa Clarita out of my brain from that show.
01:10:08
Speaker
but so But I did think it was funny that there's like an undertone of this city that's just like... it's always busy. Like it's just always busy. There's just like always people on the boardwalk. There's a fucking saxophone free concert, which um it was funny. um Michael said like, Oh, that's what Michael Bolton wanted to be.
01:10:32
Speaker
The buff guy of the saxophone on the beach. um And there's obviously some very eighties things about this. Like the whole Windex aftershave. I thought was pretty like very eighties.
01:10:45
Speaker
um But yeah, I don't know. um i have one question for you and maybe you can maybe you can help me with this. Sure. So when after they stake Marco, played by Alex Winter, Ted of Bill and Ted.
01:10:59
Speaker
Yes. And they come out of that um underground hotel where they kind their lair is. All of those, for the the three of them who staked the vampire all have glitter all over them.
01:11:11
Speaker
Yeah. So was that meant to imply that Twilight was right and they sparkle on the inside? Did you notice that? You know what? i i honestly didn't even think about it until this very moment that you've said it.
01:11:27
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um ah You know what? I don't know. But maybe, i mean, maybe that was part of like, maybe that was part of a little bit of like, it's like vampire like lore that I'm not familiar with just like that. like isn't that i like or whatever I'm just, I'm just thinking like, is that where twilight got it is from the lost boys. Oh, I see what you're saying.
01:11:50
Speaker
Um, I mean, ah okay, here's the thing. How could Stephanie Meyer write a series about vampires and not like do a shitload of research on every vampire thing she'd get her hands on?
01:12:02
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Right. and So it's it's in in other words, what I'm saying there is that it's impossible that she didn't watch The Lost Boys and frankly, like probably watch The Lost Boys a lot, like over and over and over again, considering that she was writing sort of like, I don't know, like a like a straighter version of it in some ways. do you know what i mean?
01:12:22
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So pretty gay, but that's fine. Yeah, it's totally like, I mean, that that would make sense to me that that she probably did. Yeah, I just noticed it this time. And I was like, Oh, and nobody ever talks about that. i'm I'm going to go back and watch it again, because I i didn't it it didn't even clock with me. But now that you're saying it, I want I want to get that some more thought.
01:12:38
Speaker
And the other thing is that, um so, and this is this is me being kind of dumb in the moment, and maybe I should have looked this up for the before the show, but are antlers inherently made of wood? Because...
01:12:53
Speaker
you Well, if you remember correctly, ah the main vampire, Kiefer, David, he gets impaled on antlers yay in the grandpa's like, ah what do you call that? What is taxidermy room? yeah And that's how he dies. And i'm I'm assuming that's because it went through his heart.
01:13:13
Speaker
But isn't it wood it's wooden stakes that are traditionally in the vampire lore that kill a vampire. so I was wondering, what are antlers made out of? I mean, they're obviously part of the animal, but I don't know what they're actually made of. well i mean and Antlers are are like, it's it's like bone, basically. i mean it's like It's like an outgrowth of bone. So, I mean...
01:13:35
Speaker
I didn't really think about the guy you're, you're picking up on stuff. I hadn't even thought of. Um, that's what happens when you watch something for the first time. And like, it's not something that you just like, no, I mean, like I'm literally, i'm I'm Googling right now. It does a vampire need to be killed by a wooden stake.
01:13:52
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Um, like I'm trying to, feel it' it feels like every, every stick I've ever seen. has always been wooden, I think. But, like, does it have to be wood? like Yeah. i Listen, i'm not I'm not saying that the the Lost Boys can't have its own lore, because there's also yeah there's also the part where they don't invite any of those and those vampires in. like yeah So they, I don't, there's not that part, but then what's weird about that is that at the end, Max, who we find out is the senior vampire. Yeah. um He says to Sam and Jason Patrick's character, you invited me in. So I have all the power. So is it, you can, they can, they can come in without being invited, but they don't have like their inherent powers because that's my understanding of,
01:14:38
Speaker
how max manifests his reflection is like that. He has like hours of like illusion because we also see that with, um, David's character when he makes, uh, Jason Patrick think that he's eating maggots, right.
01:14:52
Speaker
Or like the worms. So they've got some sort of power of suggestibility. And so that's what I guess, Michael, you're eating maggots. And so that's what I'm assuming is what Max does when they are trying to debunk him as a vampire. You know what I mean? they can Making them see what he wants to see. I'm assuming.
01:15:10
Speaker
I don't know if I got it that same way. I don't know. I'll tell you what, Andrew, you are doing. You're going deep on Lost Boys. And and honestly, I am here for it.
01:15:21
Speaker
I'm ready. um The other part that I don't think it's talked about enough is how good boys these doggies are. They're such boys. We got Thorn and Nanook. One plays the hellhound and the other one plays the good boy. yeah And let's be honest, Nanook does way more in this movie than any of these little boys do.
01:15:40
Speaker
Hell yes. I got nervous for him because first of all, you see a dog in a horror movie and you're like, Oh no. And then I got extra nervous when they forget him outside tied to the, tied to the fence. I was like, what are you doing? you've got the you and it's just so funny because like this dog is definitely an off leash dog for like the majority of the movie, except for the one part where they have to have him like chained up against the fence.
01:16:07
Speaker
um So I thought that that was kind of funny. Yeah. Um, but he's responsible for killing. Um, I think Paul is the vampire that he shoves into the holy water, uh, garlic bath.
01:16:18
Speaker
Um, it was fun seeing Billy worth again. If you remember correctly, we saw him last time in body snatchers, the nineties movie. He just had a lot less hair. move on Speaking, speaking about deaths, how about, how about when max dies?
01:16:33
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Like they push him in the fireplace and like, yeah, he instantly explodes. And I was like, what is this? It's ridiculous. I did like the lore of, um, and I did like the lore of like, you can be turned into a vampire, but you're not fully a vampire until your first kill. thought that that was an interesting angle on it.
01:16:55
Speaker
I still don't quite understand the little boy of it all. Um, I don't know if that stars little brother or that's just like somebody that got turned at the same time as her.
01:17:07
Speaker
And he goes full vampire by the end of the movie, but is still cured um at the end. So I do have some questions about that, but I'm trying not to like, I'm trying not to think about it too much because it is just kind of like a romp movie. You know what I mean? fair fair And, and so there, there are just like those weird things that like you think about now, if you just watch it for the first time because of the eighties of it all. And in the eighties, we kind of just were like, people will get it, whatever. It's fine.
01:17:31
Speaker
um hey joel schumacher is gay right oh i don't know i'm not sure i just know that he has a illustrious career um ah but i wasn't i wasn't sure if he was or not like i think he is maybe i'm wrong is joel joel is joel schumacher dead Oh, he is dead. He died in 2020. forgot about that. Oh, no. Yeah, no. He's – yeah, he's so he was openly gay.
01:17:55
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Yeah. That makes a lot of sense from the way that this movie is filmed. i mean, like it was in my head, but I just wanted to, like, absolutely confirm it. And, yeah, he was he was gay. Wow.
01:18:07
Speaker
That's amazing. I mean, you know, yeah, that that that gives you – you know – that is pretty cool that like, you know, he found a way to tell this story through his own, through his own lens.
01:18:18
Speaker
And I think that's, I think that's pretty fucking cool. yeah i The one part that did have um kind of cracking up is the running joke about having the... Whenever Sam wakes up, there's like a new taxidermy animal next to his bed. That was pretty funny.
01:18:32
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Death by stereo. um and And then like like I said earlier, did you pick up on that those were Nazis dancing around the fire? Because they are clearly in the credits as surf Nazis. I did not.
01:18:46
Speaker
ah How about that band around like the... um the what is that band hold on and think they actually do have a name the lost boys band you talking about the saxophone band yeah yeah yeah good stuff that guy definitely works out quite a bit it's just and it's just like ridiculous you're like ah how is this happening right now i mean like andrew we could talk talk about this movie literally forever but tell me this on your first watch andrew what did you rate the lost boys So I'm going to give it a 4.5. I think it's a perfectly serviceable movie.
01:19:18
Speaker
um And I also said the editing in this is insane, but Jason Patrick is such a babe. And I said, you know what? I'm giving it a six. It's just one of my old favorites. And I said, I am just forever a fan of this movie. um It's just fun.
01:19:32
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It's fun. I love it. Cool.
Review of 'The Forsaken'
01:19:34
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Awesome. Well, that does it for the Lost Boys. We'll be right back to ironically talk about another vampire movie. Yeah. yeah The Forsaken.
01:19:51
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How you boys doing this evening?
01:19:58
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What's your deal, man? What do you do? As little as possible. Hey, what about the future? I could be dead tomorrow.
01:20:08
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Take it easy. You're scaring her.
01:20:12
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Get the car. Look, man, I can't be getting involved. Get the car, Sean!
01:20:18
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What's going in there? I need your help. What's happening to her? She's infected. Infected how? How much do you know about vampires? She must have hit me. Hey, this is all about survival of the fittest. You don't learn that and you are going to die. Or worse. Sean! Now, do you believe me?
01:20:43
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So, can you help us out?
01:20:51
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We killed the source of origin and we killed the strain.
01:21:00
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This spring, the night has an appetite. I'll see what you got. Nick! I don't see you.
01:21:09
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next
01:21:22
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got an opening for a new girlfriend. What do you say?
01:21:30
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Don't be forgotten. Be forsaken. Andrew, tell us all about The Forsaken. The night has an appetite. Sean is just trying to drive across country to deliver a car when he picks up a hitchhiker who turns out to be a vampire hunter.
01:21:46
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Suddenly, they're being hurtled or sorry. Suddenly, they're being hunted by nomadic desert vampires and fighting to avoid turning into one of them.
01:21:57
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Directed and written by J.S. Cardone. Production distribution were handled by Screen Gems and Sony Pictures. Kara Smith plays Sean. Brendan Vare plays Nick. Isabella Mico plays Megan. Simon Rex plays Pam.
01:22:10
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excuse me Jonathan Sketch plays Kit. Fina Oruke plays Sim. Carrie Snodgrass plays Ina Ham. And Alexis Thorpe plays Teddy.
01:22:22
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This is rated R. It comes in at 91 minutes. It was released on April 27th of 2001, filmed in the Arizona desert in Southern California. The budget was $15 million. Sadly, gross is only $8 million. um So yeah, that's The Forsaken. Maddie, was this the first time watched? And what were your initial thoughts?
01:22:40
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It sure was. um i don't even know if I've ever heard of this before. I'll be honest until now. um ah Yeah, you know, look, um ah this should have been worse than it was.
01:22:54
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That's what I'm going to say. And like, look, while I don't think this is winning any like top tier awards in my and in Maddie's award ceremony, um I think it was actually not bad.
01:23:05
Speaker
You know, um i went into this thinking it was going to be probably pretty stupid, that it was going to be really b But honestly, like it it it it kind of worked in a lot of ways. um But in other ways, it doesn't, too. And that's like what what like like like with everything. I think what's most interesting about this, if we're being honest, for like me and Andrew, well, i'm not not to speak for you, but...
01:23:27
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Like, look, we grew up with Dawson's Creek. And that was a very, like, we i we were in high school. i was in You were in high school during that, right? Weren't you? Yeah, part of it. Yeah, yeah, right.
01:23:37
Speaker
So I was in high school for all of it. And, like, I mean, come on. That was just, that was a huge moment culturally for people in my generation. Absolutely huge. And one of the biggest parts of that...
01:23:49
Speaker
was Kerr Smith playing Jack was it was that his name let's go yeah so Kerr Smith playing Jack on Dawson's Creek who was like you know the first really big gay character in like a prime time like fucking show right first first gay kiss in prime time There you go.
01:24:07
Speaker
Right. So, I mean, it really was a very big deal when that happened back in the day. And I think for a lot of us, it's sort of impossible to see Kerr Smith in in any other way beyond Jack in Dawson's Creek.
01:24:20
Speaker
And so seeing him in this in a very different role from Jack, um is really interesting. And like, you know, he does he does a pretty good job. ah you know like You know, sure. Like, Kurt Smith is is not a bad looking man.
01:24:34
Speaker
um And listen, I've already told Andrew this, but when he's in the hotel room in this and does his boxers, I was really into that scene. You what I mean? i was really, i was very happy about the the inclusion of that scene in in this film.
01:24:49
Speaker
um I think it's it's not a bad buddy movie. You know, Sean and Nick are are are good buddies that meet up in this. And there's there's definitely a little bit of, you know, maybe maybe some sexual tension there too, I would say.
01:25:02
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um But like, you know, i i think as a buddy film, it works. As a vampire film, um I think it mostly works, but there are just like, um either I think that the you know like like every creature movie has its own rules. I mean, every horror movie has its own rules. And like you just hopefully everyone plays by the rules.
01:25:21
Speaker
I think this one mostly does. you know like i think it's, you know you you understand, okay, these are vampires that if they are in the sun, they they die. they They kind of explode.
01:25:33
Speaker
um they They have to have somebody that that is watching them. these are These are vampires that, you know, they drink blood from humans that are alive. You know sometimes vampires can be different. So like, you know, you you understand the rules mostly. So that works for this.
01:25:46
Speaker
I think that, you know, this movie, if it suffers from anything, it suffers from just like that early two thousand just like, sort of silliness yeah like there's just like some dumb shit like you know for example there's there's one part where um the vampires are kind of waiting on the side of the road because their car is broken down again they have the worst car in the history of vampires um in the history of cars for that matter and like there's like these two just sort of like bumble fucks coming down the road in like a van and like in the van like when the when the camera cuts over to them
01:26:17
Speaker
like one of the guys like you want some shit do you want some shit and like gives him like a bump of coke and i was just like this is it's just so cheap it was just it was just cheesy like it was just like you couldn't think of anything better to do there know what mean well there's also like a monica lewinski and a ricky martin joke which is like so of like the time yeah it's just it's i think you know that's actually a good point it's like this this film feels very dated it feels very 2001.
01:26:42
Speaker
And look, 2001 was a very weird fucking time for everybody. Like 9-11 had happened. ah America was weird. There was war. Lots of stuff was going on. It was, that was a weird time. but Making vampire movies wasn't, you know, in anybody's, you know, strong retinue then I would say.
01:26:59
Speaker
Um, Kersmith, I think, I think was really good in this. I think that, uh, the, the, whoever played the girl, what's the girl's name? Megan. Megan. So Isabella Miko, you know i think she does she drove me crazy i'm gonna be honest but yeah no i mean she she did for me too but like though it's not like the role is written very well you know what i mean so it's kind of like what else is she gonna do i just don't i don't quite get her turn because she's like mostly catatonic throughout the entire movie until like the last third and then all of a sudden she has it together and i was like well where did this come from Yeah, I know. i think that the likely that role suffers from just bad direction is what I would say. Like like the writing song is isn't great, but like the director could have done a lot better with her beyond be like, it's okay, just start screaming and and being weird. Like that's kind of what what, how she was directed, I imagine.
01:27:51
Speaker
um i think that the um the other vampire like like the the vampire gang um mostly good i think that the driver guy was actually kind of funny um yeah and like you know like i said by the end of it i wasn't i wasn't upset that i watched this i wasn't how how about you how did you feel about speaking of the driver you know simon rex and he also gay for pay so oh that's right oh my god Yeah.
01:28:17
Speaker
Jesus. So yeah, um The Forsaken. um i remember seeing this in the theater in 2001 and then never watching it again because I remembered just like, i don't know, I think I just remember this just kind of being fine.
01:28:32
Speaker
you know what mean? And so like going into it, I was like, oh, I hope this isn't as bad as I i think people think it is. yes I think that I think that this movie kind of has like a a bad rap on it, kind of like the Covenant does to where it's like the Covenant, the early 2000s, like kind of gay. But like, I don't know people just think they're bad. And I think like going back on this one,
01:28:54
Speaker
I had way more fun with it than I thought I was going to. Like, I i thought that I was going to like loathe the 91 minutes, but I ended up being like, oh, that was kind of fun. um i think that it's much more gory than I remembered when um they blow the head off that one vampire with the shotgun in her head explodes.
01:29:14
Speaker
I was like, holy shit. ah um And there's like, but also there's like weird parts like where the vampire gets high off rattlesnake bites. And I was like, what what do we need this? like And much like you with Kara Smith, I grew up with Brandon Fair from little show called Roswell, which I was obsessed over. Such a good show.
01:29:37
Speaker
And so like seeing all these actors, you know, Simon, and I know that I know the main vampire from other stuff. I just can't quite put a fate, like put him to a face. Like he kind of, but there's like also the guy that he confronts at the campfire that kind of just looks like every 2001 hunk, you know what I mean? So, um, but like it was, it was fun going back to this age because, you know, much like you, this was like a, you know, 2001 was a weird time and it was a weird time for like fucking strange time.
01:30:07
Speaker
And it was also like a weird time for like our development. Like think about what age we were in 2001 and like what we were going through. And like, it was just like little, little movies like this were easy to connect to. And, you know, you can pick up on kind of the gay subtleties in this. They're not, they're not over the top. Like in, in lost boys, it's a little more subtle in this movie.
01:30:26
Speaker
Um, but it is funny that at the end, yeah, This is what solidified this as like a gay Bader movie for me is at the end of the movie, Isabella Mico, Megan comes into the, to the, uh, the, the, um, hospital room and to say goodbye to care Smith and to say, thank you for taking care of her.
01:30:45
Speaker
He doesn't go after her and kiss her. He gets a new car and drives every road until he finds Brendan fair, Nick's character. And I was like, if that's not love, I don't know what is.
01:30:57
Speaker
Yeah, like he went searching for him. Searching for him. And the other part that made me think like, oh, this movie is trying to be a little gay is when they are checking into the hotel and that hotel clerk is phallically eating a giant red popsicle. Yes, totally.
01:31:17
Speaker
um but yeah i just think that this just reminds me of like so many movies like it's got a little bit of joyride it it's got a little bit of lost boys it's got a little bit of covenant like it's just of a time and so like i don't i can't get mad at it but like is it a good movie probably not but is it a sort like a serviceable movie for the like the that but they're trying to play like Yeah, I think so. Well, because mean, like yeah. is Is it a great movie? No. Is it a bad movie? No.
01:31:46
Speaker
No, I don't think so. Kind of exists somewhere in the middle. It definitely has some issues, but it also has like some good parts to it. I mean, look, i do I do I need to watch it again? Not really. I'll be honest.
01:31:58
Speaker
But like, ah yeah am I am I glad that I watched it? Yeah, kind of. You know, look, yeah there's there's plenty. We've watched so many fucking movies for this fucking show. Like you have them and I have them. We both have movies where we're like, my God, I never need to fucking see that again.
01:32:11
Speaker
Yeah. This, this isn't one of those, you know what and i mean? Like, yeah, if somebody and like, I wasn't mad about watching it. If somebody in a couple months are like, Hey, i had never seen that forsaken movie that you guys talked about. Would you want to watch it? I'd be like, yeah, sure. Why not? yeah Like, right.
01:32:27
Speaker
What I will say about this movie is that for being gay, there's ah so many boobs in this movie. Lots of boobs. Every woman character It opens up with boobs. It opens up with bloody boobs. like you know and I I don't seek out boobs. Do you know what i mean Yeah, yeah. And I definitely don't seek out bloody boobs.
01:32:47
Speaker
And like i I did watch that first scene and was thinking, I wonder if guys... like Do guys think that that's sexy? Like this bloody boob thing? Maybe they do. I don't know. I don't know. I can't speak for them.
01:32:58
Speaker
It's a weird way to open a movie. It was, it was bizarre. And, and, but it was yet another sort of like very 2001 sort of like hit you over the head with a hammer kind of kind of, you know, kind of thing.
01:33:10
Speaker
And that that's what so much of, of moviemaking was back then. Like there was no subtlety. And, um, that, that, that, the, the, early aughts were not subtle. Definitely not. Like they were, they were just very, they were very, uh,
01:33:24
Speaker
Like i once again, bang you over the head kind of thing. im Nick literally punches Megan in the face to knock her out. Like when she's being hysterical. um One thing I did want to talk about in this movie that's interesting is that this has its own kind of lore.
01:33:39
Speaker
um they They talk about how like the French knights during the Crusades made a deal with a with a demon and it turned like eight of them, I think, into like the Uber vampires. um of which this guy is one of them that they're kind of ah like trying to hunt down to cure um Nick's or Sean's character of his vampirism.
01:33:57
Speaker
um But it is interesting that they weaved in kind of this um lore of of vampires being a blood disease and coming out HIV AIDS in the 80s and early it was interesting to hear them talk about it that way.
01:34:13
Speaker
And then when it's like, it's just, it's so hilarious to me that it's taken so seriously in this movie when it comes to straight people. But when it was gay people that were dying of it, they were like, I don't know, whatever. i don't know. I don't know what it is. you know so um And they, they even, they even kind of talk about the HIV cocktail as being the thing that slows down the vampire blood disease. So I thought that that was ah an interesting take.
01:34:39
Speaker
on um and what we are talking about here with vampires. I don't know if you caught that or not. i i i I caught it. I caught it. I thought about it. But now i'm I'm thinking of it again now that you've said it. But at the same time where you while you were speaking, i just i was like, wait a minute. What else has J.S. Cardone done?
01:34:57
Speaker
Do you know what else he did, Andrew? What? He was a writer on The Covenant. Oh, seriously? Isn't that crazy? And he was also a writer on Prom Night. um And the Slayer. but the But having the Covenant on his list, I think that is so funny. That's just absolutely wild.
01:35:13
Speaker
We should also probably look up if he is gay. Yeah. And he was executive producer, too. Interesting. god he was born in 1946, so he's not young. My goodness. um Some of the more cringe worthy parts of this movie have to do with the vampires themselves because inherently they're just kind of corny. Like there's like for sure the one the one main vampire when he like comes in to like do his like big end of the movie showdown. He literally says come to daddy boys. Yeah. Oh, get well I mean, also yet another gay line for God's sake. I know. and um And the other but one. So I have a question. Okay.
01:35:53
Speaker
Do shotgun shells need to be refrigerated? Or was that just like a quirk of that woman character? Shotgun shells do not need to be refrigerated. Because she keeps them in the fridge. I mean, look, I just want to say i am not a shotgun expert. I don't. I just want to point that out.
01:36:09
Speaker
But I am fairly sure that they do not need to be refrigerated. That seems very strange to me. That seems very, very odd to me. Because he literally asked her, like, where do you keep the shotgun gels? And she goes, in the refrigerator.
01:36:22
Speaker
It's like, what? It's like, what? Why? Why would that why would that be the case i don't i don't know and the other part that i thought was kind of corny that i always wanted to call out was the part where the vampire accidentally gets electrocuted by her own gun was like what it why do we need this in here because she doesn't die from it like that's not her ultimate like uh like coup d'etat like death well it just gets electrocuted there there's the one female vampire who maybe isn't a vampire yet i don't remember what her name is at all um But like when she's like, yeah, this R word can't keep the car going. I was like, yeah oh, man. Remember when we used to say that word? Jesus, my God.
01:37:03
Speaker
yeah Unfortunately, guilty over here. So that i have to atone for my sins there. me too. I think I think there were many of us that used to. And it just, you know, eventually you go, oh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't say that anymore. Gotcha. Yeah.
01:37:16
Speaker
um The one part that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, and and maybe I'm missing something, is at the beginning of the movie, when he gets to the flat tire and is forced to go to the service station, there's a moment where he's like, oh, I can't find my wallet. I don't know where my wallet went.
01:37:32
Speaker
And later on, we find out that Brendan, you know, Nick, hit he had had stolen it, but they hadn't even met at that point. Yeah. So how how did he get? I thought about that, too. How did he get the wallet?
01:37:43
Speaker
Like, did he like that part didn't make any sense to me? Like, ah because they meet upon him exiting the service station. So I and by then he his wallet was already gone.
01:37:55
Speaker
Right. Because I think maybe there's like a a deleted scene or something that we that didn't make it into the final cut or something of him like being already at the service station and stealing the wallet. But that was a little bit of a disconnect for me because that kind of comes up later in the movie where he like he feels bad. And so he gives him his wallet back. And there's like kind of like an almost like, well, they won't they be friends anymore because of that inciting incident.
01:38:20
Speaker
And it just it doesn't really pay off. You know what i mean? I want them to be boyfriends is what I want. Well, at the end of the movie, when they go driving off into the sunset together, i think they will be. Do you think they Is that what you think happens?
01:38:34
Speaker
I think they're, they're probably in enough seedy motels and, you know, kind of, kind of a little bit lonely and there's, you know, they don't have Megan around anymore. And so I think they maybe get a little lonely and a little bit horny.
01:38:45
Speaker
So I'll tell you what, like that, that wouldn't be the worst relationship in the world. No, they seem to get along great. yes they're like They're vampire hunting. They love each other. and they you know they're like there're sexual too like that' that's what that that's that's what i'm projecting is is really what goes on yes i agree are there at least each other's really good wingman yes at least that for god's sake um i did think it was um how their uh simon rex who plays their familiar if you will uh or they their their quote-unquote day driver um and how he just goes out in like a blaze of glory i was like not expecting that when he just drives straight into those trucks i was like what are you doing dude you dumbass you dumb fuck my god literally just drives into a truck like without even even even trying it's like such a little freak dude um but yeah ultimately listen i think the forsaken is a fine watch if you want to watch something from the early aughts to like you know kind of get your rocks off about like that time and place but
01:39:52
Speaker
It's not the greatest movie, but listen, here at Friday the 13th, we have to judge on the seven stripes of the gay old rainbow. So, Matty, what do you give The Forsaken? I give The Forsaken a solid four. And I said, look, this is just not as bad as it should have been.
01:40:07
Speaker
And once again, Kersmith and Boxer's on the bed, i don't know, but it's I haven't stopped thinking about it
Episode Wrap-Up and Game Segment
01:40:13
Speaker
since. Yeah. I also gave it a four. I said, i think overall it's just a bit forgettable.
01:40:19
Speaker
But would I watch a follow-up Forsaken TV show? Yeah. God, you know what? I would too. i would absolutely watch that. In fact, that would be like that needs to happen. Somebody do that? I think it's called Supernatural and it did happen. point yeah Well, folks, list that does it for our second film of the episode, The Forsaken.
01:40:36
Speaker
Stay tuned as we come back to close the show and play a little game with you.
01:40:50
Speaker
Okay, early to bed, early to rise makes a woman healthy, wealthy, and wise. That's why you're wiser than me. It's Stephen. Hi, I'm Maurice.
01:41:02
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I'm an executive by day and a wild man by night. Hi, my name's Monroe. ah You've probably already noticed that I have incredibly blue eyes. Well, folks, that was episode 144 of Frygate the 13th Horror Podcast.
01:41:14
Speaker
Thank you so much for joining us and thank you for listening to us during Pride Month. We hope that you've had a great time with us these past two-ish hours, whatever. ah But look, before we get to the end of of of all of this, of all of this fun, we have one final game, and it is this. It's one we haven't played in a while, Andrew. It Slice Right, Slice Left, which is our terrifying version of Tinder.
01:41:39
Speaker
So listen, Andrew, um you know how to play the game. If you slice right, it means you like them. If you slice left, it means you don't like them. Okay. So Andrew, um I'm going to tell you one and then you can tell me one. Should we do it that way?
01:41:52
Speaker
Sounds good. Great. these are in character, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? Good point. a good point. All right. So Andrew, the first one to pop up on slice left, slice right for you is David, a.k.a.
01:42:06
Speaker
Kiefer Sutherland. I'm going to go left on David. That hair is insane. um I've never been a mullet person. And you listen, all you straight boys can try to do it as much as you want these days. It still doesn't look good. so the The mullet thing right now is out of control. It is. Yeah.
01:42:24
Speaker
And so I'm going to slice left on David, unfortunately. Gotcha. I'm going to also slice left. um My primary reason is that, honestly, his voice kind of bothers me. Or how he goes, Michael.
01:42:36
Speaker
Yeah. more like like Honestly, the when he during this watch when he was like, there are maggots, Michael. You're eating maggots. I hated how he said it. And I was like, i I couldn't have sex with you ever.
01:42:49
Speaker
No way. All right. Your first one is none other than Michael, a.k.a. Jason. Slice, right? Yes. yes That's right. Me as well. I i don't think i I don't think we've had a man in a movie recently where I was just like, I i will do anything for you. and you like Right. And like, look, I mean, you know me well enough. He's not even really my type, if I'm being honest. But like, he is fucking hot in this movie.
01:43:16
Speaker
And he's like sweaty the entire movie. so And like, I would definitely go off type for him in a heartbeat. No problem. Awesome. The next one, Andrew, is Sean, a.k.a. a Curse Myth.
01:43:28
Speaker
This one's tough for me because they think I do think that Sean is cute, but like though he just kind seems a little bit like a stick in the mud. like like All he cares about is cutting his trailers and going to his sister's wedding. Yeah.
01:43:44
Speaker
So I think I'm to slice left just based on the based on the character. not fair enough so Fair enough. Fair enough. I'm slicing right on this character for sure. i think he's actually really earnest, which I find very cute. And honestly, I find very sexy. I love when guys are earnest. and um And once again, something about that fucking scene of him in his boxers on that bed.
01:44:11
Speaker
it's honest It's like burned into my memory now. it was really fucking hot. All right Your next one is his counterpart, Nick, a.k.a. Brendan Fair. i I'm going to slice right. I think some of the annoying things about him i could get over.
01:44:26
Speaker
And like also kind of an earnest guy, which I appreciate. Yeah, I'm going to. And also he's cute. He is. I'm going to so I'm going to slice right with trepidation because yeah a little bit he's a little bit of a know it all. And I don't really like that in in people. You know, fair enough. Like he's a little bit of a mansplainer, if you ask me.
01:44:45
Speaker
Yeah. um But I'd give him a chance because he is pretty cute. So the next one is Penn, a.k.a. Simon Rex. Oh, this one's tough because I have a history with Simon Rex because of MTV VJ days. I have to take that. I have to take that out of the equation. though you do character.
01:45:04
Speaker
So I think I'm going to slice left for now because I just really hate dumb dumbs. And he's a big dumb dumb. and Yeah, I am also slicing left on this. He's just he's just too stupid. I'm sorry. Yes. Yeah.
01:45:15
Speaker
yeah right. And your last one is our main vampire kit, a.k.a. Jonathan Sketch in the Forsaken. Yeah, I'm slicing left. I got to be honest. He um I I just I just don't like him.
01:45:29
Speaker
i i I don't like i don't like the way he looks. I don't like the way he talks. Seems like a bit of a dick. um And he's he's not a nice he's not nice. He's not. Well, I'm slicing right. but Andrew, oh my God.
01:45:44
Speaker
Because listen, who's not going to see that and be like, you know, I'll give it a try. And so listen, is he is he a little bit controlling or does he take or is does he take what he wants?
01:45:55
Speaker
so I mean, fair enough, fair enough. Well, listen, that was a really fun round of slice right, slice left. Andrew, what a great episode we had today. Yes. But look, before we go, um as we as we say every time we close the show, if you want to support this proud, independent podcast that you just listened to for the past two hours or however long this was, but it's probably two hours most likely.
01:46:20
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01:48:29
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01:48:42
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I hope that for everybody out there listening, you have a safe, number one, a safe, but a fun, joyous, happy, and very proud Pride Month. You fucking deserve it. You've worked for it all year.
01:48:53
Speaker
Yeah, and at the end of the day, i think there's just one other thing that they can go ahead and do and that's for them to go and get slayed.