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FRIGAY <<REWIND>>: PATRIOTISM IS TERRIFYING
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Dear listeners, it's time for a FRIGAY <<REWIND>>!
For this Rewind, we're bringing back Episode 102— an episode all about patriotism. In the age of Trump 2.0, there's never been a more important time to question patriotism. What does it mean to be a patriot? Can you be a patriot and still do good? Can patriots be bad? Can patriotism indeed be... terrifying? Listen in for more... and as always, #GetSlayed!
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Introduction to the 13th Horror Podcast
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i gave The 13th Horror Podcast is a proud independent podcast. To learn more about the show, visit Freigay13.com. Hello, Freigay listeners. This is Maddie coming at you with a Freigay Rewind.
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So when we do a rewind, we re-release an episode that we really like um in hopes that you'll like it again, too. So this is episode 102. It's called Patriotism Terrifying. It's called Patriotism is Terrifying.
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The reason why I've chosen this one, yeah, should be kind of obvious, shouldn't it? Look, when we discussed this this particular topic back in 2023, it was before Trump was elected again.
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um we i think we sort of knew it was going to happen in the back of our brains, but, you know, we're hoping for the best.
Is Patriotism Morally Good or Bad?
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But, you know, look, now that we do have Trump 2.0, I think it's really important to continue to explore what it means to say that you're patriotic, what it means to say that you're a patriot.
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what it means to be patriotic. Can you be a good patriot? Can you be ah a patriot or a patriotic person who does good things? Um, and, and, on and on the converse, can you be a patriot who does bad things?
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Hint. Yes, you can. Um, so it'll be interesting again, to continue to explore this as you re-listen or listen for the first time to this episode. But I think it's something that we need to continue to really sink our teeth into. Um, What is patriotism really? And and and does it do good? Can it do good?
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Or does it really just do bad? So hope you enjoyed this episode again. Thanks so much for being with us on Freigate of 13th Horror Podcast. We really appreciate all of our listeners.
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um And we'll look forward to a new episode coming out later this month. Until then, I hope you're all safe, happy, and healthy. And I hope you enjoy the episode.
Exploring American Symbols and Patriotism
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Thanks a lot.
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And get slayed. And now, a dramatic reading. I chose Mount Rushmore because to live in a country where you can take an ugly old mountain and put faces on it, faces of great Americans who did so much to make our country super great, well, that makes me, Rebecca Lehman, proud to be an American.
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I'm Lisa Swinson, and I am proud to be an American because in a country where Lady Liberty keeps her torch burning bright, makes me proud to be an American.
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The Washington Monument makes me, Leslie Miller, proud to be an American. Living in a country where no matter who you are or where you come from, can grow up to be something, but you can grow up to become whatever you dreamed of makes me, Amber Atkins, proud to be an American.
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Atomic Power makes me, Maldi Howard, proud to be an Asian American. My Uncle Bill's world's largest ball of twine in Bundy, Minnesota makes me proud I'm American.
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I kind of misunderstood the assignment. It's episode 102. Patriotism is terrifying.
Social Media Rivalry: Threads vs. Twitter
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I am the writing on the wall, the whisper in the classroom.
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I'm Marjorie Greene, and I approve this message to save America, stop socialism, and stop China. They define the odyssey from life to death to rise.
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in real life. Doubters, the doomsters, the gloomsters, they are going to get it wrong. Horror in the movies. Where are you gonna go?
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Where are you gonna run? Where are you gonna hide? Nowhere. Because there's no one like you left. What do we want? Justice!
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When do we want it? Now! Let's go! What are you waiting for, huh?
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I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning. Sometimes that is better. This July.
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Have your voice be heard. I purged. I purged. Show your support. I purged because it's my civic duty.
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For the purge. I purge because staying in is an American. Welcome to another episode of Fry Gay, the 13th Horror Podcast. My name is Matty.
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And my name is Andrew. And if this is your first time with us on Fry Gay, the 13th Horror Podcast, we are the podcast that talks about horror. Horror in real life and in the movies from an LGBTQ perspective.
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And this is the 102nd episode of Fry Gay, the 13th Horror Podcast. And very happy to big to be coming back to you. ah in July of 2023 to talk about something near and dear to the hearts of these two Americans, patriotism.
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And if ah any two people, you know, we're were in the dictionary of photo next to patriot, it would be it would be us, wouldn't it? It would just be us.
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Oh, so proud. We are, um Andrew and I have taken up a new ah name, actually, for what we call ourselves. We are the new founding fathers of America. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. I'm joking. that's soll You'll hear more about that in our in our talk later about the Purge films.
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ah Listen, folks, we love you so much, listeners, that we watched not one, but two Purge films. Mm-hmm. In a row. Weak hair deep down inside. in In some countries, that's considered torture.
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um But that's how much we love you. We'll we'll get to that later.
Supreme Court Decisions: Impact on LGBTQ and Affirmative Action
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um Andrew, it's going to be a good show today, tonight, or whatever time you're listening to this show. um But first, we'll start with the certified terrifying corner. So, Andrew, I've got two items for you today. The first one I'll go in reverse order chronologically.
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The first one is really interesting stuff. um It's not it's it's not really terrifying. It's actually just more fun. Uh, Meta, which used to be Facebook, uh, launched a new social media network called threads.
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Uh, and from, ah from what I listen, this is my own personal opinion. and It's the only direct competitor of Twitter that is actually solid. Like this thing is actually taking off.
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It's neat. It's a near carbon copy of Twitter. If we're really being honest about it, it follows the same sort of formatting. Um, but already it has, I mean, it came out on what Thursday we're recording on Sunday, July 9th right now.
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Um, in the first 24 hours, 30 million people signed up within 48 hours, 70 million people signed up from what I understand the fastest growing social media network ever.
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Uh, well, no, no, no. Fastest growing app ever was chat GPT, which came out not that long ago. It had a hundred million users in the first month, I believe. threads will beat that in a weekend, which is wild, absolutely wild.
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And so of course you've got Elon Musk. He's going crazy. He's threatening to sue meta, all the rest of the shit. And he's doing it because he knows that he has ruined Twitter. He's run it into the fucking ground. And there's a whole new network where people are going to be a lot happier because this one, don't know. I think this one's going to stick around.
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Yeah, it's interesting because I did see like a, I don't know if they're an Elon Musk supporter or like whatever, but they were out there being like, well, he has to charge because he has to make his money back. And I was like, he's the richest person in the entire world.
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If he suffers a little bit, it's gonna be okay. So I don't understand this whole like support of Elon of like, Well, yeah he has to do something with Twitter. Well, Twitter was a very viable social media platform for a decade. So not really sure what you're talking about. ah um Happy to see that something is sticking around because we've seen some other ones kind of like come up and then maybe just FizzLaw because they didn't have like the manpower behind them or like a a big company. like And listen, I'm not saying that fucking ah what's his face over at Facebook is any better. I'm just like...
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um You know, it's like and there's there's there's a good meme going around that's like, I don't want Zook to win. i just want Elon Musk to lose. And like that kind of explains a sentiment of, I think, ah good the the good majority of people on social media right now.
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and Everyone is just fucking tired of Elon Musk being a fucking weirdo. I mean, like, think about and we won't spend too long on this, I promise. But think about like the the random edict that came out from Twitter um just like a week and a half ago.
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where suddenly there were rate limits on how many tweets you could look at. Like that hadn't that had literally never been a thing in Twitter's history. And suddenly, for literally no reason at all, it comes out that I think like if you're unverified, you could only look at 600 tweets a day.
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And if you were verified, it might it might have only been like 4,000. They were little amounts for each of them. And like, what's, I mean, like think about how you scroll on Twitter. Like you could look at 600 tweets in seriously like three minutes just by scrolling.
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So like, I mean, you know, and it sounds silly, but then you got to think about like, think about like the businesses that use Twitter to advertise. And I'm not talking about like McDonald's. I'm talking about like small businesses or think about like, you know, activists that use it to like get information out or, you know, whatever, like what a shitty thing to do. It's just, it's another chapter in in how awful he is. And that's, I think, I can speak for myself. That's primarily why I am rooting for Threads because we do, I i love the idea of of a ah ah public square, as as as Elon Musk himself would say, as Jack before him said.
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But like Twitter can't be that square anymore. It's so angry. It's so awful. No one feels good doing it any longer. So let's try something new, you know?
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Yeah, it is funny, though, because he put all these like rate limits and everything and put it out there, but in none of it worked. It would made me so that I could see the Fry Gay like Twitter ah you know stream, but i couldn't but we couldn't see our own profile tweets. like It and like didn't work. so so and And then, of course, what what what does he say to all the critics? He says, oh, I did this so that people would go outside, so they would spend time with their families. Yeah.
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Like, listen, go fuck yourself, dude. You're a fucking weirdo. Anyways, that's enough of that. um Onto the next one. Oh, I should say, though, that Frygay the 13th is on threads. So if you haven't followed us there yet, go do that. It's Frygay 13, the same as everything else. so um So come on along. ahve we've got We've got like about 700 followers right now, which is cool.
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um So come join us. We're going to be doing the same shit there that you've seen everywhere else. It's just going to be, i don't know, maybe more positive or happier. I don't really know. We'll see. um The next one here, much more serious, is the Supreme Court of the United States, SCOTUS, ah not only rolled back affirmative action, they also ruled for 303 Creative in the case of 303 Creative versus Elenas.
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Uh, that case, uh, is the one about, um, a woman, I forget her name right now, which is fine with me. Um, she runs like a graphic design business in Colorado.
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She, uh, she got behind, um, she got supported by a group called Alliance Defending Freedom and, uh, sued the, uh, sued the state of Colorado saying that the, um,
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the rules of anti-discrimination for for LGBT people went against her religious rights and that um she was being compelled to create websites for gay marriages.
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It is the most ridiculous legal argument that maybe has ever occurred in the history of the um of American jurisprudence. And here's the main reason why, Andrew. The person that she cites in it, like there's an actual guy and like he was looking for services for graphic design.
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He's not even gay. He's not even gay. And there was never any business happening between them. So the case that went through, you know, circuit courts, appellate courts, and then all the way to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court justices wasted their time adjudicating.
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It wasn't even a real case. The big problem here, if youve if you've been living under a rock, let me just tell you what the big problem here is. This ruling now sets up state by state every single anti-discrimination law that we have worked so hard to get passed in these states is going to get rolled back.
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And discrimination against LGBT people in terms of public accommodations, right? So going to a movie theater. going to a diner, going to a restaurant, going to a bar, getting a hotel room, getting a hotel room, like literally any sort of business where that that is open to the public, they will be able to say, Nope, no gays allowed here.
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Sorry. It's against my religious beliefs. That is what is about to happen across America. And
Patriotism: Exclusionary or Inclusive?
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that's just, it's, it's heinous. It's absolutely heinous. Yeah. I, to just like something that I've seen going around, um social media and,
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that I really just like identified with is a quote from Trixie Mattel, a drag ah superstar, essentially. That was like, um she, along the lines of like, do we have separation of church and state or not?
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Because we coddle Christians so much in this country that I just can't take it anymore. And like, yeah, I get it. Like i listen, if I thought that,
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I don't even know. It's really, it's just really difficult to think about because i it's like just, no, it's just, ah this religion thing needs to stop. Like if you're not going to use it for community and you're not going to use it for getting people to yeah accept and be nice, then don't use it at all because it's not, that's not what God or Jesus or whoever, my hobbit, whoever you fucking worship is.
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That's not what they meant. Well, you know, it's it's it's it's it's it's actually, you know, what this is actually a great way to segue into what we're talking about today, because I do think that in America, ah in America in particular, that America does a great job of exporting this to countries around the world.
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And i'm I'm, you know, we're going to be careful how we talk about, well, what not too careful. I'm just going to be, I'm actually going be pretty blunt about it. I have to be honest. I don't know what else to do. oh yeah You should be honest. there's there's There's no reason why you shouldn't be.
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what what i What I'm about to say is this, and and this goes right along with what you're saying, is that there are there are there are real Christians in America. Of course. and who And this isn't against what you're saying at all. that Don't get me wrong. No, no, no. I don't want...
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I don't want to be misconstrued. I don't hate religion and I don't hate Christians. You're not. I'm making a point that that goes right into what we're talking about today, which is this. American kooky Christians, right? And what I mean by, and I've i've said this phrase for for years because it just makes sense to me. Kooky Christians are the evangelicals in America.
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Mainstream evangelicals and non-mainstream evangelicals. So I'm talking about Pentecostals. I'm talking about Baptists. I'm talking about fucking people that speak in tongues and all the other crazy shit.
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I will say it to anybody, and to anybody. You're fucking crazy. You're crazy because you conflate patriotism with religion. And for those people, that they really do think that God has a special place for America and for America alone.
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And that is the reason why we have cases like this. It's the reason why we have such shitty laws in America. um And it's because of these people. like they They really do believe that America is a city on a hill.
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And they are patriotic because they they conflate the religious part of their lives with living in America. And that is fucked up. From somebody who is a quasi Christian like me, ah who identifies as an Episcopalian and sort of like a red wine Episcopalian. I've got a really crazy theology that would take a very long time to explain. I don't believe in probably the shit that you're thinking I do by saying that stuff.
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Like for me, that's entirely anathema to what I do, right? I would never think about my religious practice or if you'rere even if you're not religious, right? Let's say you're spiritual.
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Let's say you do yoga. Let's say – which is a religious practice, might I add, people. Or if you meditate or if you do this or or whatever. Like i I would never conflate and probably, you know, you out there would never conflate, ah, yeah.
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Let's do this yoga pose for America right now. do you do you know what I mean? Yeah, totally. I never say the words God bless America. I would never sing God bless America. If you gave me a million bucks, I wouldn't sing it right now because i think it's honestly, it's insulting to people to do to do that kind of thing.
00:17:04
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Because if you say that, then what? It's like God bless no other country. like Like, what is going on with people when they think these things, you know? But because they've just been allowed to run rampant for literally the entire history of America, this is where we end up right now.
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Yeah.
Emma Goldman on Patriotism's Dangers
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All right. Let's get into it then. Let's get into it. We're talking about patriotism today. And by patriotism, I'm going by the Merriam-Webster definition of patriotism, um which is, and i want you to I want you to hear these words and I want you to take them in. really slow, Andrew. um Because the first word is love. Oh, God. Jesus. The definition of patriotism is love for or devotion to one's country. Yeah.
00:17:46
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Nowhere in there are we talking about America. Nowhere in there are, you know, where you live, where we're talking about Ireland. Nowhere in there are we talking about China. Nowhere we're in there are we talking about Australia. Nowhere were like ah literally you should be proud of where you come from.
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You should be proud of where you live and where you set up house and where you eat and where you do all these things that you love. But patriotism to me in in my heart of hearts, is wanting to welcome people into that world, not keep them out.
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And I think that's like where I struggle with patriotism, is that patriotism, the way that it's been used and weaponized in specifically America, but really kind of all over, if you really think about it. course, yeah.
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is keeping people out is keeping people being like, Oh, we got to protect this thing. It's really special. And it's only ours. And we just, I don't want to, I don't, I don't want to give it to anybody else.
00:18:44
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Yeah. but To me, I want to show everyone how great a place can be or how great a place is. That's why we travel. That's why we do things. And to be, I don't know. I'm getting off on a little bit of a tangent, but like it just it's really struggling.
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And this is why i struggle with government and I struggle with a lot of things is just trying to understand of like, what do you mean by that? You know what mean? Yeah. Well, listen, you know, how about this? I've got um I was doing a little research and I found a really great essay.
00:19:15
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That is very long. So I'm not going to read the whole thing to you. Trust me. It's like nine pages long. um But this is from Emma Goldman and this is from 1908. And Emma Goldman.
00:19:26
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Yeah. Emma Goldman was a a fairly famous anarchist activist in America. um and And, you know, that's when i mean, you got to think it was 1908. It was before World War One. A lot of things were very different. And there were real anarchists back then. I know.
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I'm really sure that there's any right now, although the right would love you to believe that Antifa is a bunch of anarchists, but they're really not. Anyways, um she wrote a little essay called Patriotism, A Menace to Liberty.
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So I'll read you just a few parts of it um to give you a video to give you an idea of what she was thinking. right Okay. so she says what is patriotism is it love of one's birthplace the place of childhood's recollections and hopes dreams and aspirations is it the place where in childlike naivete we would watch the fleeting clouds and wonder why we too could not run so swiftly The place where we would count the milliard glittering stars, terror-stricken lest each one an eye should be, piercing the very depths of our little souls?
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Is it the place where we would listen to the music of the birds and long to have wings to fly, even as they, to distant lands? or the place where we would sit at mother's knee, enraptured by wonderful tales of great deeds and conquests?
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In short, is it love for the spot, every inch representing dear and precious recollections of a happy, joyous, and playful childhood?
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If that were patriotism, few American men of today could be called upon to be patriotic, since the place of play has been turned into factory, mill, and mine, while deafening sounds of machinery have have replaced the music of the birds. so nor can we longer hear the tales of great deeds for the stories our mothers tell today are but those of sorrow, tears, and grief.
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What then is patriotism? Patriotism, sir, is the last resort of scoundrels," said Dr. Johnson. Leo Tolstoy, the greatest anti-patriot of our times, defines patriotism as the principle that will justify the training of wholesome murderers, a trade that requires better equipment for the exercise of man-killing than the making of such necessities of life as shoes, clothing, and houses, a trade that guarantees hiss better returns and greater glory than that of the average working man."
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Thinking men and women the world over are beginning to realize that patriotism is too narrow and limited a conception to meet the necessities of our time. The centralization of power has brought into being an international feeling of solidarity among the oppressed nations of the world, a solidarity which represents a greater harmony of interest between the working man of America and his brothers abroad than between the American minor and his exploiting compatriot.
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A solidarity which fears not foreign invasion because it is bringing all the workers to the point when they will say to their masters, go and do your own killing. We have done it long enough for you.
00:22:34
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And I'll skip ahead forward here. ah The American working man has suffered so much at the hands of the soldier, state, and federal that he is quite justified in his disgust with and his opposition to the uniformed parasite.
00:22:48
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However, mere denunciation will not solve this great problem. What we need is a propaganda of education for the soldier, anti-patriotic literature that will enlighten him as to the real horrors of his trade, and that will awaken his consciousness to his true relation to the man to whose labor he owes his very existence.
00:23:06
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It is precisely this that the authorities fear most. It is already high treason for a soldier to attend a radical meeting. No doubt they will also stamp it high treason for a soldier to read a radical pamphlet.
00:23:18
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But then, has not authority from time immemorial stamped every step of progress as treasonable? Those, however, who earnestly strive for social reconstruction can well afford to face all that.
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For it is probably even more important to carry the truth into the barracks than into the factory. When we have undermined the patriotic lie, we shall have cleared the path for the great structure wherein all nationalities shall be united into a universal brotherhood, a truly free society.
Patriotism’s Impact on Personal and National Identity
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Now, like I said, in between there, there's about eight pages more of Screed from Emma Goldman. That's really, really good shit. And if you're interested, you should go read it. um Because I mean, it's just it's it's fascinating to see what somebody back then was thinking about um in In her essay, the patriotism, a menace to liberty. and um But I think some things to to pull out from there are this, you know, a lot of it is what what is what you were talking about, Andrew, right? Yeah. You know, like, is it it's the place where you live. It's the place where you have memories. It's the place of this. It's a place of that.
00:24:22
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But it gets conformed into things that then, as you said earlier, sort of become weaponized. So it becomes ah ah ah the the method by which we tell people to go and kill, right?
00:24:34
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you know We go and do these wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that were worthless because of patriotism. you know We have we have ah a law – still have a law in America called the Patriot Act.
00:24:47
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It's literally called the Patriot Act for God's sake. And all that all that it really is is a way of surveilling Americans. And we're supposed to think that that's patriotic.
00:24:57
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Like even by its fucking name, we're supposed to think that. So I just think you know the the the notion of patriotism in America – is is so ungodly skewed. It's it's so skewed. i don't I don't know if it can really ever come back unless it really became rooted in some form of new glorious revolution, some sort of revolution of class, some sort of revolution of of something, but something that actually brought people together instead of pulling them apart.
00:25:29
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Yeah, and I don't know if that's possible, if I'm being totally honest. I don't um i don't think that it is. I really and i don't. And honestly, I don't think it's possible anywhere. i mean, we it's really easy to conflate this to America, but this literally happens everywhere.
00:25:45
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Everywhere. I mean, think about right now with everything going on with Russia and Ukraine. Like, Russia is doing this because they demand that Ukraine comes back to Russia.
00:25:56
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Like, it's it's it's all about control and and and just, like, keeping everybody out. I don't know. It's so weird. I don't know. It's so hard for me to, like... It's gross. It honestly is my my brain...
00:26:13
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it's And that's why I'm stumbling over my words. is It's just like, i it's so hard for me to retrain my brain to think in a different way. You know what i mean? Than what you've been taught.
00:26:24
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i I do. yeah I mean, look, it but it was a, ah I mean, look, i i I'm not a patriotic person really at all. um ah You know, maybe there there are some new pangs of of, what's the word I'm looking for? Some new pangs of devotion.
00:26:39
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that I have to my new home where I'll be a citizen in two and a half years. um You know, I'm, I'm, I'm really proud to live in Ireland. You know, I'm, I'm proud to live in a country where, you know, it's very progressive.
00:26:50
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This country has come so far in a very short amount of time. I've done nothing to help it. Don't, don't get me wrong here. um But you know, now that I live here, I'm looking to do the best that I can to help it go even further.
00:27:02
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Right. And so like, you know, and So like, you know, for example, Ireland needs needs hate crimes, hate crimes legislation. i want to be part of that. Ireland needs better public education. i want to be a part of that.
00:27:12
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You know, there's there's a random smattering of of issues that are important to me that I'm looking forward to working on. But i can i ask you a question, like a personal, just like a personal question? um So when you first moved there um and, you know, obviously you don't have an accent or you have an, you have an, you have an American accent. Let me rephrase.
00:27:31
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um And people obviously know that you're, you know, weren't born there or like whatever. Did you ever feel that, and maybe this is just traveling in Europe in general,
00:27:44
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um Because I know you've done more traveling since you've lived there because it's way easier. um But have you ever felt like the other, like the yeah um the person trying to be kept out?
00:27:55
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Oh, oh you for sure. Yeah. I mean, and and like granted, it hasn't happened very often, thank God, because that's that's just not really a thing here, which is good. it's not it's I should say it's not a big thing. um And like when it's happened, it's happened from like fucking idiots.
00:28:09
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Do you know what I mean? yeah Like it's happened from like, i mean, like but one problem that we have in Dublin is like there's just fucking like random gangs of teenagers all over the place. Like that's just what's just what it Youths are the worst. there There's a number of reasons why we'll go into on another time.
00:28:24
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um But like i I like once there were some kids like doing some, some they were doing, i can' remember what they were doing. They were doing something shitty. And I i was like, hey, could you stop doing that basically? And like they I shouldn't the rule with teenagers here is just walk on by because it's not going to be good for you.
00:28:40
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And like they like started throwing candy at me and told me to go back to my own country. But like but like literally, do you think I even care about them? Do you know? like do you know what I mean? and So that's what I mean. I'm just and I'm only saying that as like a lever because because like other worst stuff does happen, right? Like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, like those kids
Global Perspectives on Patriotism
00:29:00
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didn't learn that on their own.
00:29:02
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No, their their their parents taught them that. there's therere the anti it's funny to be in places where anti-American like um sentiment like actually really does exist.
00:29:14
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Because i mean like look, i mean and Ireland loves us here because like frankly, we bring a lot of fucking tax money. like My salary, 40% of it goes straight to the Republic of Ireland.
00:29:25
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That's a lot of money. Right. And it's not just me. It's a lot of other Americans over here working in tech. So we literally like we are worth a lot of money here to this country.
00:29:37
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And like, frankly, i'm that's something that I'm kind of proud of right there. Like, you know, I'm helping to build infrastructure here. I'm helping to build housing and do this. And my taxes go to good things. And I'm I'm happy with that. That's a I'm not mad.
00:29:49
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that 40% of my paycheck is gone. It's a good thing. That's a great thing. It's a it's it's part of part of the deal and I'm happy to shake hands on that. um But you know the other side of that is that people look at me and they go, well, you took my job or you took my house or you took my whatever. And like I didn't do any of those things.
00:30:07
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Just want to point that out. But like that's the sentiment in a place where there's a housing crisis and where people are like, you know, I don't know. They didn't get a good job. I don't fucking know. And it's the same thing in America.
00:30:17
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You know, like, you know, you've got people coming in from whatever country and you've got Joe Blow on the fucking street who, you know, he decided not to go to college or he decided not to have a plan or he decided not to go to trade school. it doesn't matter which one you do, but.
00:30:31
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yeah Either you have a plan or you go to trade school or you go to college. Those are your fucking choices, right? And so if that guy chose to do nothing and he sees somebody from India show up in Chicago and get a good job and get a house next to him and, you know, whatever, yeah that that the chances for him to be upset about that person doing those things or getting those things goes up exponentially, right?
00:30:53
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And so, like, those are the problems with with all of this because, just because you live somewhere doesn't mean that like you have a claim on everything. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, totally. That's that's the problem with patriotism is that yeah big you're you're patriotic.
00:31:07
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that you don't get to bull You don't get to own it. you You don't get to own everything. you know what I mean? like In the end, it's one fucking earth that was never created from the the ancient cosmos millions of years ago ah billions of years ago, whatever.
00:31:22
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It was never created so that one day, We could chop it up into America and Canada and Mexico and this. ah I mean, what a kooky idea in the first place. Humans could have had whatever they wanted.
00:31:34
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We could have done anything. And instead, we chose ourselves to separate ourselves into tribes and then into weird borders and then into states that hate each other.
00:31:46
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And it's all a pile of bullshit, every single part of it. And so if we can get back, if if we can recreate what patriotism actually means to be something more what Andrew said earlier of welcome to my community.
00:32:01
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Everyone is welcome here. If there are more people, we'll figure it out. If there are less people, we will reserve resources for more people to come later. Like you get where I'm going with this. Yeah. yeah That's where we should be going with things.
00:32:16
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And then one more thing I'll say too about, about the European stuff is um like, there's so many countries here where like people aren't patriotic at all.
00:32:27
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Like, like they're proud of their culture. do you know what i mean? Like, ah like for example, like, like Germans, like um ah Germans, especially after world war two you're going to be pretty hard pressed to find a German who's like, ah, yes, fly the German flag. Right.
00:32:44
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like du Right. they could care like they they don't care about that they wouldn't sing an anthem they wouldn't do any of it but like are they proud of like their german soccer team you know are they proud of like the the little village where they come from are they proud of like german you know culture with food and music Like, yeah, those things they're proud of.
00:33:04
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But like the country itself? No, because in the end, the only reason why you are from there is because of a genetic fucking like accident. Like it's a lottery.
00:33:15
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Yeah, there happened to be a sperm and an egg and in a place and you got born in that place. It is not because you were destined to be there. There is no destiny. There's nothing like that. It doesn't exist.
00:33:27
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So like any idea that you should be like grateful or this or that or whatever to be from that place is fucking absurd. Yeah. I mean, we might get a little bit hate on this episode. I don't really care because like, I'm just, I'm just really sick of like, I don't think we will, Andrew.
00:33:43
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Um, it's just, it's, it's really tough to be gay and go through the last, you know, let's see here. The last eight, what, since I came out 18 years and just have like one little fucking awful person say, i don't want to create your website, even though I'm really bad at creating websites because I've seen your work and it's awful.
00:34:07
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But for her to just do this and and and walk back so much progress and then it be kind of amplified because everyone wants to hear about it and everyone wants to talk about it. We're even talking about it right now. We're amplifying it for fuck's sake.
00:34:25
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But then it becomes... Just like patriotism, the modern definition, this rhetoric that just keeps getting repeated and repeated and repeated, and then it repeats to the next person and the next person and the next person.
00:34:37
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And then soon enough, you're hearing it on the street or your relatives are talking about it. And you're like, fuck, we we we did so much. And now it's just like... I don't know. I'm of two minds. Like, fuck this lady. And i'm I'm glad that I know that you're a bigot. So I don't accidentally give you any money. But at the same time, like, you don't get to do this. You're one fucking person. don't know what to tell you. Well, I think I think that that that speaks directly to to the issue is, you know, like, um you know, I used to really love Fourth of July and we used to have, you know, really fun parties every year and all the rest of it.
00:35:10
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And, you know, towards towards the end, we we we we stopped doing that. And like this year, especially i was like, i'm grand I'm not even in America anymore. But like this year, especially i was like, I am don't care about Fourth of July in ah for a country where it's like literally legal now to discriminate against people like me.
00:35:29
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Why would I? why would i Why would I be proud of it and fly a flag and sing an anthem and go watch fireworks and blah, blah, blah, blah. What a pile of shit. i mean, if that is what you're proud of, i don't know what tell you.
00:35:43
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Good luck with that. But that sucks. It's not going to work out well for you because eventually the the tide will turn on you too. they they they came they They come for me in the morning. They're going to come for you at night, baby.
00:35:58
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Angela Davis said that and that is the fucking truth. Yeah, it's it's tough. It's tough to be weird right now and be alive and actually a thinking person. thought
Entertainment Segment Introduction
00:36:10
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you The thing about it is that you just got to focus on the good stuff and you got to do you got to do the good stuff. And you got the other part of it, too, that we have learned over and over again is we got to – it's not even – Like engaging with these people, it doesn't even work anymore.
00:36:26
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and it It never worked in the first place. And that that's that's a big lesson that I've learned over the past few years is like, actually, I'm just i'm walking away from your ass. Yeah, I think it – Because I'm not going to be alive long enough to deal with being miserable about you.
00:36:39
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you know what i mean? right Well, no, I think that there are – Listen, in if if I know anything in my life, I don't think that I've changed anyone's mind, if I'm being honest. But like by me just existing around those people, did I give them somebody something to think about?
00:36:57
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Yes. So I think that that's how I have to kind of just like live in this modern day and age is just, you know what? I'm going to do me. I'm going to exist the way I think that humans should exist and the way that humans should interact and the way that humans just should get along. Yeah. And if that's ah if that upsets you, you need to go home and just think about that.
00:37:19
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Yeah. It's so weird. It's so dumb. I mean, i you you are you before the show, you were saying, like, you know, is there any, like, perspective from Ireland? The only thing that I will say is, like, there actually was a recent story that this weekend um in Northern Ireland, which is a officially, I put that in quotes, another country.
00:37:37
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um But, like, they they do big bonfires for the bonfire nights, and it, like, celebrates, like, the Orange Order, which are the people who, like, still want to be a part of the UK, right? Okay.
00:37:48
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And... um You know, I'll reserve comment on those people, but there's there's some interesting perspectives there. Anyways, there was this one. or i mean, these bonfires are gigantic. They're like it's like a fucking like 10 story building high.
00:38:02
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Right. And it's just like pallets and shit they just burn it. And I don't know, they fucking dance around it or whatever the fuck they do. And so um so there's this one bonfire that got put up and there's pictures of it all over Twitter right now.
00:38:13
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um Like at the top of it, they put this big photo of the Taoiseach from the Republic. And Taoiseach here is like is like the prime minister, right? um And the prime minister here, he's we don't really like him. He's he's kind of whatever. But like he is he's he is an openly gay person, which is pretty cool also in this country, to be honest.
00:38:33
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So they put a big, huge portrait of him at the top of this bonfire. And they put the tricolor up there too, which is the Irish flag. And then they burned it, which is pretty big here. Like you don't like, well, people aren't like, like people are never going to be like, I'm going to die for Ireland. Like that's not a thing. Yeah. yeah But like, you don't do that to the tricolor. And, and also like, it's just, it's,
00:38:58
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Here, it's just like, why would you be so rude as to do that, if that makes sense, right? So like, you know, there the differences in like the patriotic nature of of the North and the South here are really interesting dynamics to sort of observe right now as I keep, you know, delving deeper into culture.
00:39:16
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um But it's just it's weird. Like I would I would just never think of like even like Donald like even like Donald Trump. I would never think about like building a bonfire and putting his putting his photo on it. Do you know what i mean? Like but it's that's just dumb. Like why would what's the point of even doing that?
00:39:31
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Like how is it going to make me feel better? It's taken me a really long time in my life to get to this way of thinking because of the way that we're brought up and the way that we're trained, basically.
00:39:42
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ah But like at the end of the day, the way that I think now, and maybe this isn't even how I thought 10, 15 years ago But the way that I've been able to grow up in my, in and I'm putting that in quotes for my own personal life, is that if you celebrate life with destruction, that says something about you that I don't know how to help that you need to figure out.
00:40:07
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If that makes any sense. you need You need to go find Jesus, motherfucker. You know what i mean? Like, go find him and let him take the wheel. Andrew, I don't think we can say anything more about patriotism. Do you?
00:40:18
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No. Okay, good. So listen, folks, hope you enjoyed that stirring and um uplifting talk.
00:40:28
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And we're goingnna we're going to take our break here. you should go, i don't know, you should probably go take a shot of whiskey or something. And then we'll come back with a very beloved segment, What You Been Watching, Bitch.
Recent Entertainment Reviews
00:40:41
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Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby to get ourselves a treat.
00:40:53
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And we're back with what you've been watching, bitch. What you been watching, you patriotic bitch. And if it's your first time listening, this is the segment of the show where we talk about what we've been watching, bitch.
00:41:07
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um It could be anything. It could even sometimes be books or podcasts or music. um But it's just the stuff that we've been consuming that might be horror, might not be horror. But we wanted to talk about it some more.
00:41:18
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So Andrew will give us his first what you've been watching right now. Yes, my first one is Pearl. I know that this is old news to most people, but for the longest time, this movie was not very easily accessible, which is really weird but because X, the movie that it spawned off of, was like so widely available so quickly that like I saw X, I don't know, it was that two years ago already? but like Like Pearl, it was on like a weird subscription that you had to have like Paramount Plus Plus
00:41:52
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Showtime in order to watch it. And I was like, my God. And so I, we just waited it out, waited it out. And it finally came, became available, um on Showtime on demand. Um, and it's Pearl. It's the prequel to X. Uh, I forget. Had you seen X Maddie?
00:42:07
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No, i I haven't seen either of these. Okay. Okay. Well, this is the prequel, and it's all about Pearl, who is the main antagonist in X. Okay. And it's kind of all about her upbringing and where she comes from and kind of like why she becomes the person she is in X. Okay. um It's really fun.
00:42:27
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It's really interesting because X is filmed very much like a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie. yeah yeah ask seventies type of vibe and feel.
00:42:38
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Whereas Pearl is more like 1920s technicolor dream type of, uh, a film. Okay. And to have tie West to, you know, we haven't had any of this. That's right. Yeah. we haven't had any of his movies on our podcast yet. We should probably fix that at some point. But the way that his mind and the way that he could kind of create X in such a, ah in such a way, and then go back and do Pearl in another like completely different way, but there's the same story. I just think it's incredible. That's awesome. um And I really liked the movie. It's not... I'm not usually one for like this kind of like highly stylized, technicolor...
00:43:23
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like Let's make it look like it's in the 20s. Like, you know what i mean? Like, that's usually not my thing. But this time it just worked. And I think that it's because of the actors. And I think it's because of the director.
00:43:33
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And I really think that it's just it's a triumph of a movie. So if you haven't, I know this probably 95% of our audience has already seen this movie. and I'm talking to the wall. But like, if you haven't talking to me and i haven't seen it yet, so I will.
00:43:46
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um That's awesome. That's really good to hear. um My first one is one that I was very excited to see. and i am so glad that it delivered ah everything that i wanted and more. And it is Asteroid City, the newest film from Wes Anderson.
00:44:00
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um I love this movie. I thought it was great. ah And um i i think I think that it's just it has a lot of goodness. And I think that it is by far, I've seen all of Wes Anderson's movies.
00:44:14
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This is his most heartfelt and authentic movie to date. And like, don't get me wrong, it's still in the Wes Anderson style, so it's gonna be a little kooky and a little bit, you know, stylized, whatever. But you can just, you can feel it in it.
00:44:27
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And, um you know, he he manages to create, for me, these landscapes that are just, like, astounding. And I just wanna, I just wanna, like, walk through the screen and just, like, a live there and just, like, stay there for a long time.
00:44:43
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I think that this this particular film, um while it's about this sort of mythical city in the middle of the desert called Asteroid City, um it's it's a film about grief.
00:44:54
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It's about how we learn to live with it. It's about how we continue to live. um And it's about how you know how extraordinary it really is that we ever like figure ah figure that out, right?
00:45:06
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um And how like we manage to have relationships together. And like you know that's like's that's all the the underpinnings of the movie. um The movie itself, it has as usual when it comes to a Wes Anderson film has like the the fucking all star cast. So it's Scarlett Johansson, Tom Hanks, Jeffrey Wright, Tilda Swinton, Bryan Cranston, Edward Norton, Adrian Brody, Liev Schreiber.
00:45:27
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i do i mean, like the the it just goes on and on and on. Hong Chow, Willem Dafoe, all of it. Jeff Goldblum, of course. um And it's just, it's a remarkable movie. i I cried in it near the end, which is what I expected would happen.
00:45:39
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and um And the moment where I started to cry is is, from what I understand from people, it's kind of like where a lot of people get get the little emotional, you know, real hit there. um And it's it's it's pretty breathtaking.
00:45:52
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So this is one that I think everyone should see, you know, go into it with an open mind. um It's just, it's a lovely movie. It really is. Cool. Oh, gosh, sorry.
00:46:03
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um Yeah, I will give this a chance. Like I've given many Wes Anderson movies. It's not I don't think that his style is necessarily for me. But um if ah you're giving it such a glowing opinion, I would I would gladly give it give it a go.
00:46:18
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Yeah, yeah. Give it a try. right. My next one is on Hulu. um It's literally never heard anybody talk about this movie, but it was on my recommended list. So I watched it. um It's called Alone at Night. It's on Hulu.
00:46:31
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um And it's basically the the the primary story going on here is this girl has just been broken up with by her boyfriend um because he found out that she was doing cam girl stuff.
00:46:45
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And he was like, not for that. And so she ends up moving back home to kind of be around friends and stuff. But it's during COVID, so she has to isolate for a week before she can like go be with all of her friends and stuff.
00:47:03
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And so while she's isolating at this cabin, there are many people that stop by, you know like a pizza guy, um a phone repair guy, the neighbor next door.
00:47:15
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And you start to understand that maybe one of them is this cam person that is obsessed with her. And then the remainder of the movie is just trying to figure out which one of these guys is the one that's actually like stalking and trying to and basically kill her.
00:47:31
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um or make her make her their wife or whatever their their end goal is with you know being obsessed with a cam girl. yeah um It was an interesting movie. I won't say that it's like the best movie I've ever seen, or it's kind of just like in the middle of the road for me, but I still found the premise pretty interesting just in the day and age of OnlyFans and like all this stuff and just like obsession with people you don't really know. i think that that's just like a very...
00:47:58
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a very interesting topic to handle do i think this movie did it perfectly no but i do think that that's a topic that could be further explored of just like obsession with these people you don't know you know what i mean yeah no sure uh only fans you know remember when we can just we just like sent dirty photos to each other for free yeah Not anymore. Five dollars, please. Everything has to be fucking like, you know, on sale anymore. It's fucking weird.
00:48:26
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um My second film is I Am Divine. This is a documentary by Jeffrey Schwartz. It's all about the one and only Divine, the true story of the most beautiful woman in the world.
00:48:39
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um divine is that Is that the tagline? That is a tagline. Well, that's how Divine used to um use to describe themselves. That's amazing. Divine, of course, was not ah born Divine. Divine was born Harris, Glenn, and Ilsted.
00:48:51
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um And if you don't know who Divine is, which I kind of couldn't believe that, but maybe you don't. um Divine is the um is the alter ego of Harris Glenn Milstead, who came to popularity through John Waters, right? So the first big movie was Pink Flamingos.
00:49:09
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um But before Pink Flamingos, John Waters had brought together people from all around ah from all around the Baltimore area to create these like like little films that were all like kind of crazy and kooky and you know completely ah you know the the the beginnings of of that John Waters that we all know, right?
00:49:27
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um So, i you know, I love Divine. And for whatever reason, I just I hadn't seen this before. And it's been out since 2013. So I'm really glad that I took the chance to to watch it 10 years later.
00:49:38
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um It's on Mubi, M-U-B-I, which I talk about all the time. And It's wonderful. You know, if you're into drag, if you're into also, you know, sort of being the alternative, if you're into being an outsider, which a lot of us are, um you should watch this movie. You know, if you've ever seen a John Waters film, you should watch this movie. It's a really important look.
00:49:58
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at someone who was really incredible. Like Harris Glenn Milstead was um but a pretty amazing person who who worked so incredibly hard and who didn't always want to be divine. And that's that's one of the things about the documentary that that's so incredible is I didn't really know that part of of his history.
00:50:18
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That like divine really was like his work. And when he wasn't divine, he kind of didn't want to talk about it. He was like, actually... I can do a lot of other things and I love to act and I love to perform and I love to do this and I love to do that.
00:50:33
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And, you know, doesn't, can, can anybody ever see me for anything but this? And that's, that's, that's where the power of this documentary really, really lies. Um, so I highly recommend it. Um, go watch it. I am divine. Cool. I didn't even know this existed, so I'm definitely going to look it up.
00:50:51
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That's wonderful. Um, my next one is currently on Netflix. Uh, if you're listening to this in the far future, I don't know if it'll still be there, but you, you'll find it. Um, it's called missing. Um, I don't know if you saw the movie a couple years ago with John Cho called searching.
00:51:06
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No, I did not. Okay. So the premise of these movies is that there is like a mystery that's happening, but the way that you're absorbing the media is all through like computer screens.
00:51:17
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So kind of like, um, Oh, gosh, what was that one movie that we unfriended or whatever? ah when We saw everything like through like the computer um or like ah cam or like, you know, surveillance videos or mean, it's all like that kind of thing.
00:51:32
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um And the missing is the new one from this team that did searching a couple of years ago. I thought searching was just OK, if I'm being honest. Yeah. um So I went into missing. you have to be in the right mood because it is kind of like through computer screens and, you you know, chatting and like you you got to pay attention. There's a lot going on.
00:51:48
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Sure. um But Missing is all about this girl who ah her mom goes on vacation with her new boyfriend and they literally disappear. on vacation and the cops are being typical cops. They're like, Oh, you have to wait 48 hours and you got to file this paperwork.
00:52:06
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Couldn't get it? You know what I mean? Like very official. And she's like, they didn't, they weren't kidnapped. They just ran away. Probably. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, and so this girl who's probably, i think she's like 18, probably 18 or 19 takes it into her own hands to like figure out what happened to her mom and and and the new boyfriend.
00:52:24
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And I got to tell you this movie was so twisty turny. I didn't know which ma my neck was by the end of it. You became the bet neck lady. I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly.
00:52:35
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um But i I really enjoyed it. It was a really stressful movie. I'll give you that much because of the way that it's like always like, okay, now we're on Facebook. Now we're on the video cameras. Now we're talking to this guy. Now we're making this phone call to this hotel. And like, we're trying to figure it all out. But like,
00:52:51
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the way that someone's brain has to work to put this kind of movie together. i mean, applause to you because sure it's it's a really good movie. I don't know how they made it, but being honest but um I really enjoyed it. If you like that kind of movie, definitely give it a chance because the mystery was really good. And I thought that by the end of it, I was like, okay, all right.
00:53:14
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Like, like fair enough, go like golf clap. You know what i mean? Okay. say All right. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. ah My next one is called Georgetown. um This is on Netflix. It's on Netflix here. It's probably on Netflix for you too. I would imagine.
00:53:27
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um Georgetown is 2019 directed by Christoph Waltz. Yes. Christoph Waltz. um All star cast. Christoph Waltz, Annette Bening, Vanessa Redgrave.
00:53:39
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Like that's not fucking around, right? This is based on a true story. um, And it is a wacky fucking story. um So the story is this. ah Christoph Waltz plays Ulrich Mott.
00:53:52
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And Ulrich Mott is an eccentric and versatile social climber with grandiose plans to affect United States foreign policy. Encouraged in his attempts by his strategically chosen and much older wife, the well-connected journalist Elsa Brecht, who's played by Vanessa Redgrave, Mott has a knack for making himself indispensable and impossible to ignore.
00:54:12
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The only one seemingly immune to his charms is Elsa's daughter, Amanda, played by Annette Bening, who might simply disapprove of her mother marrying a much younger man, or perhaps she senses something more sinister beneath the smooth talking surface.
00:54:27
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So that's a little bit from Letterboxd right there. But the sinister part is this. Eventually, Elsa Brecht winds up dead in her house. And the only real suspect is Ulrich Mott, right?
00:54:39
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And like by then, they had been married for a long time. and like I don't know. There's a whole lot of shit happens in this movie. Don't get me wrong. And I i was, I was compelled by the trailer because I was like, oh, that sounds like a wild fucking story. And it definitely is.
00:54:53
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Now here's the problem. It is, it is an interesting story for sure. The actors are, are good. You know, they're, I mean, I should say that they're good beyond this movie. They're, they're okay in this movie. But,
00:55:06
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The film is just mediocre as hell. And like, yeah, if, if, you know I, in fact, I rated it on, on, out of five on, um, on letterboxes, two and a half. It's just not very well done.
00:55:19
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And I don't know what it is. i think part of it's the writing process. Part of it is the filming. It feels kind of kind of like a, what do you call it, movie? What's that network? like like Like a Lifetime movie. Do you know what I mean? ah Yeah, yeah.
00:55:34
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Would you ever think of a Lifetime movie starring Vanessa Redgrave, Christoph Waltz, and Annette Bening? Called Georgetown? Yeah, that just it just feels fucking weird. So i I really wish this movie would have been like what it was supposed to have been, which was really good and crazy, but it just ended up not happening.
00:55:51
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being that so i can't really recommend this one all right um my next one is a recommend and i would honestly recommend a lot of our what are a lot of our listeners to go watch this show called glamorous ah glamorous is on netflix it is the um miss betty and kim cattrall vehicle um yes kim cattrall's back everybody he's Okay, let's go.
00:56:15
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So this is about um a gay younger person who is a, it like they call themselves an influencer, but they have like 300 subscribers. It's kind of like us, you know what I mean? But they also work at the makeup counter at like a Macy's or something.
00:56:34
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um And what happens is Kim Cattrall, who is the mogul of this huge makeup company, comes to the store to like observe. Just like her, like the regular people. You know what i mean? Yeah, sure. And she gets like a consultation from this ah from from them. And it then she like gets inspired and she hires this this little gay kid to come work for her as like a second assistant.
00:57:00
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It's very much, the setup is very much like... um uh, devil wears Prada type. Okay, sure. Um, and then like there's this, but that's only the first episode. And honestly, little gay kid, you're coming to work with me, little gay kid. Yeah.
00:57:15
Speaker
Um, and by little, I mean like 20, I don't know, like 23, but like, um, ah what i i was not certain I was not sold on this show from like episode one. I honestly, because of the whole like influencer thing.
00:57:29
Speaker
okay I was kind of like, do I have to watch another thing about fucking an influencer like getting what they get? You know what i mean? Like, i don't know. hate influencers. I hate them. Yeah. And so I wasn't sold, but then I watched like two more episodes. And honestly, then I watched the whole show. I watched all 10 episodes. It was really, really good. And honestly, i don't want to give anything away, but there's a really good message at the end that I think our listeners will not, maybe not identify with, but we'll get a better understanding of LGBTQ issues.
00:58:04
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And what it means for people today. okay And I think that that's really important. um And I know that the actress who plays our our little gay kid, and I only say this because um i don't know, i didn't know much about Miss Betty, who is the is the actress.
00:58:20
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um She's transitioned to be a woman. um But in the show, she's playing um a man. And so it's a little bit, it's a, it's complicated. And I think that that's something that we should all struggle to understand a little bit more about.
00:58:35
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And I think it's a really good message. Is the, is the show kind of vapid? Yes. But like, there is a really good message hidden underneath there that I think that everyone will really appreciate. And honestly, Kim Cattrall's in it.
00:58:47
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So watch it.
00:58:50
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Definitely give Glamorous a chance. Good. My final one is one that I'm very happy to report on, and it is Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny. Now, look, I am a lifelong fan.
00:59:01
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am obsessed with Indiana Jones. When I was a child, i wanted to rename myself as Henry um because that's his real name. um I just love Indiana Jones. It's been a part of my life as far back as I can remember, and I love all the movies. And this one i also love.
00:59:18
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good I am disappointed to see, as always, it's not it's not anything new. Why am I even disappointed? um I am disappointed to see that people are treating it so harshly and so weird because I just think like, you know what?
00:59:32
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You're not you're you know you're probably not a real fan. Like, I don't know, or something just ate your ass that morning in the wrong way. But look, this is a good movie. And like, it's Harrison Ford's last one.
00:59:43
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It is, it is probably the last Indiana Jones unless they find some new, some new way into the franchise, who knows. um But there's something really about that. I mean, he's been playing this role for decades and like as somebody who really cares about Indiana Jones and like,
00:59:58
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who's always looked up to him. And like, you know, even for some of the bad shit that Indiana Jones as a character has done, like he's a force for good in the fake world. Do you know what I mean? And like, and I love that about him. it's it's He just always really inspired me as a kid and even as an adult.
01:00:14
Speaker
And um this one is wonderful. So um The Dial of Destiny is all about time. And I think that that's, I'm not going to give you spoilers if you haven't seen it yet. um But it's, yeah I think that's really appropriate for, ah you know, an aging Indiana Jones. And in this movie, like he's really old and like, you know, I will, this isn't really a spoiler, but I'll give you this. The first part of it, there is like some like de-aging going on.
01:00:40
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think it's, I think it's done really well. i really do. Like, i mean, you can, you can tell it's de-aging, but like, who gives a fuck? It's part of the story. do you know what I mean? and And so then it goes into like, you know, more like today or whatever.
01:00:51
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um And then he's like, he's old. And like, they don't shy away from it. I mean, the motherfucker is old now because Harrison Ford's old. And like, there's something about that when you've been watching this nearly all your life and you've watched the movies over and over and over again.
01:01:05
Speaker
Man, it like hit my heart, you know, because like this is somebody that you love. And like my dad and I loved watching Indiana Jones and my brother and I love watching Indiana Jones and my friends and me love, you know, it's just it's part of your life, you know?
01:01:18
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And um and it's it's fun to watch him be really vulnerable in this movie. And once again, I won't tell you the things that happen, but like there's some vulnerable parts in here that have they've never been in any other Indiana Jones like this before.
01:01:31
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And if those don't sort of tug on your heart a little bit, I don't know. um You know, what I would say is, you know, the other reason be beyond the emotional parts, like this film has the reunions that true fans likely want to see.
01:01:45
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um It has the insane chase sequences that you love about Indiana Jones movies. And it also has Nazis fucking getting beaten the fuck out of, which everyone loves. And so like those things alone right there make a solid Indiana Jones movie. But the fact that it is the last one and it's Harrison Ford's last just made it even better.
01:02:04
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So if you can see this in the cinema, go see it in the cinema. It's a big old movie. They've spent a lot of fucking money on this. It's big and beautiful. Go check it out if you if you can in the theater. I loved it.
01:02:15
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Yeah, I got to see it. um I just was reminded how much I was ah had the biggest crush on River Phoenix when he played Young Indy when I was a kid. my Same. Same thing to the same. He was so cute as Young Indy.
01:02:29
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anyone Anyone with ah like long, floppy hair, probably had a crush on. Oh, he's so cute. All right. Well, that does it for what you've been to watching, in bitch. Maddie brought us Asteroid City, which is currently in the movie theaters.
01:02:43
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I Am Divine, currently on Mubi. Georgetown on Netflix. And Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny, which is currently in cinemas. And Andrew brought us Pearl, which you can watch on Showtime.
01:02:55
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Alone at Night, which is on Hulu. Missing, which is on Netflix. And Glamorous, which is also on Netflix. So that does it for what you've been watching, and bitch. We'll be right back with our first film of the episode, The Purge, Anarchy.
Critique of 'The Purge: Anarchy'
01:03:15
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Can you step on it? It's getting late. I'm sorry. I'm so anxious. It's just tonight. We're going to Just like always.
01:03:26
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No, no, this can't be happening.
01:03:31
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No one's gonna help us tonight. Come on! This is your emergency broadcast system announcing the commencement of the annual purge.
01:03:44
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At the siren, all crime, including murder, will be legal for 12 hours. emergency services will be suspended. Your government thanks you for your participation.
01:04:00
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my god fall who
01:04:21
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a
01:04:31
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Just remember all the good the purge does. just had so much chili last night. i think I might need to purge. Andrew, tell us all about purge anarchy.
01:04:45
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Sorry. i'm so I'm so bad at those. yeah that when that one That one came out of my head. and you know i just said, you know what? Let's go with it. Let's go. An American tradition. One night per year, the government sanctions a 12-hour period in which its citizens can commit any crime they wish, including murder, without fear of punishment or imprisonment.
01:05:07
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Leo, a sergeant who lost his son, plans a vigilante mission on revenge during the mayhem. However, instead of a death-dealing Avenger, he becomes an unexpected protector of four innocent strangers who desperately need his help if they are going to survive the night.
01:05:25
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This is written and directed by James DeMonaco. The production was handled by Blumhouse and distributed by Universal Pictures. Sargent and Leo is played by Frank Grillo. Eva is played by Carmen Ijogo.
01:05:41
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Yeah, that's probably right. Yeah. Shane is played by Zach Guilford. Liz by Keely Sanchez. Callie by Zoe Sol. Papa by John Beasley. And Carmelo by Michael K. Williams.
01:05:54
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This is rated R. It comes in at 103 minutes. It was filmed in and around Los Angeles. And it came out on July 18th 2014 with a budget of million and grossed one hundred and twelve million dollars Jesus Christ, I'm clearly in the wrong business. i can tell you that.
01:06:14
Speaker
Cementing the purge to go on for many more years. um All right, so the purge anarchy. ah We've since, in our past episodes, only talked about one other purge movie, and that was the first purge, which comes after all of these, but it takes place before any of these. so and yeah what essence thought We must talked about that I'm guessing. We must have. maybe.
01:06:36
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And so we couldn't think of a better way to celebrate patriotism with the Purge movies. um And I think that we could have done the first Purge movie. um But I think that that one doesn't really fit the patriotism angle as much. So i we did number two and number three. And this is the Purge Anarchy.
01:06:54
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Purge Anarchy. Maddie, had you seen this before? And what were your initial thoughts? Yeah. You know, honestly, I was struggling to remember if I saw either of these films. And look, maybe I did.
01:07:05
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That is possible. It's possible that I did watch it at some point. But it is so forgettable, both of these, that I probably forgot them. um I will say that, you know, i know we're not talking about the next film yet. But if we're talking about both of these in context, this one is far better than Election Year, for sure.
01:07:23
Speaker
um It's interesting that you mentioned the first Purge movie. um That one had Ethan Hawke in it, right? yeah yeah Yeah. And what year did that come out? Must have been like 2010? I think it came out like the year before this one. so Oh, so 2013. 2013. Okay. Yeah.
01:07:37
Speaker
You know, I almost wish that they had just kept with that motif, right? what What I think goes wrong in these movies is that they over index on the patriotism part.
01:07:48
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Right. And so it becomes this weird religion thing. And they don't really know how to balance that out well in the script because the writing is just not good.
01:07:59
Speaker
Any way you want to slice it, it ain't good. Now in this one, it's better because you just, you have some better people that are working on it. Right. So, I mean, you have, um, you have Zach Guilford who is awful in the movie, but at least he's cute. I still love him.
01:08:12
Speaker
Um, you've got, uh, Michael K Williams, rest in peace, um, of, of, uh, of the wire fame. he He's an incredible actor recently died. Very sad. Um, but he plays Carmelo. So like just seeing him in this alone is pretty, and is, you know it's actually wonderful and amazing.
01:08:29
Speaker
um But the the rest of it just doesn't it just doesn't play out very well. you know One of the things that I had in my notes for this movie is it's called The Purge Anarchy. There's not really any anarchy in this movie.
01:08:43
Speaker
There's not, if you think about it. So if if we if we just set out like that the basic premise of of the movie, everyone know we all know what The Purge is, so we got that down, right? And Andrew even described it in the the synopsis of the film.
01:08:56
Speaker
So the government does this thing. You can go do whatever you want for 12 hours. There you go. It's done. Now, the the anarchy part of this is supposed to be that there are people working against the purge. Right. So Carmelo runs like ah a vigilante group. And I can't remember what it's called right now, but like he runs a different group than like the founding, father the the new founding fathers of America.
01:09:19
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And they're trying to like go beat them and do whatever, basically. The reason why that's not anarchy is because it's during the purge and you can literally do whatever you want.
01:09:30
Speaker
So it's, it's not anarchy. It's just going out and killing people during the purge, whether it's to stop them or not, it doesn't really matter. And like, it's cool that like that, that's part of the plot. I get it, but like, it's not anarchy.
01:09:43
Speaker
And so the film from the very title doesn't make a lot of sense. And that, that really bugs me because that's not what it is. And like when it comes down to it, like James DeMonaco wrote and directed this one. He wrote and directed Election Year. Did he do the first one too?
01:09:57
Speaker
i'm unsure. I can look it up while you talk. Yeah. So like what i'm what I'm getting at with this is because I'm not trying to be picky. I'm just trying to say that like if they had put some more thought into this instead of just trying to crank out some shit, then like this this might have been something interesting.
01:10:14
Speaker
You know, one of the things that I really did try to do with this film He did, by the way. He did? Okay. I knew that i that I'm not a big fan of these, right? And so I didn't want to go into it with a negative mindset. I didn't want to go into it thinking, oh, this is going to suck.
01:10:28
Speaker
I really did sit down and try to take it seriously and thought about, okay, what's the message here? What is it getting at? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like there are some interesting messages and and in the Purge films in general.
01:10:41
Speaker
And I think that like you know if if we are to take anything seriously from the Purge, from any of the Purge movies, it doesn't matter which one, really in the end is that, you know, this is something that, you know, look, it's, you know, kind of, kind of kooky, kind of crazy, but it's something thing that could happen.
01:10:55
Speaker
Who knows? Right. And like, you know, especially for, uh, for this one, this one takes place in 2023. Right. So it was, it was interesting to be in 2023 and like, think about the things that have happened and how maybe this could happen one day in America or even somewhere else. Um,
01:11:13
Speaker
Um, but beyond that, though, it's it's hard to take the film seriously, because all they end up being is just sort of like plateau after plateau after plateau of like people in crazy masks with a lot of blood.
01:11:29
Speaker
Does that make sense? that I'm trying to say? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like that's kind of where it left it for me. Now, um in this one, I mean, I guess you know so some of the interesting things, um you know knowing that Sergeant or Leo comes back in election years, you know something interesting to kind of kind of think about.
01:11:47
Speaker
It is interesting near the end of this one where he goes to kill the guy that that killed his son in a drunk driving accident, but he doesn't he doesn't end up killing him. um you know there's There's some interesting dynamics. there and then that guy ends up saving his life and blah blah blah whatever um you know there there are parts of it that are okay but there it's just it's overwhelmed unfortunately by the parts that are just sort of ah bit cheesy Yeah. So Purge Anarchy, I definitely had seen before. And this is the one I think I remember the most about, like when I think about like the Purge movies.
01:12:21
Speaker
And I think that um where your sentiment comes from is you know, the the the not the first Purge, the movie, but the first one in the film lineup of the Purge. It's very complicated. I know it really is. Yeah.
01:12:34
Speaker
um But the Ethan Hawke movie is that the sentiment coming out of that movie is that everyone wanted to see, okay, well, that movie is kind of isolated in like one family and one house. We want to see what's going on in like the larger world.
01:12:50
Speaker
yeah And I think that James DeMonaco just basically said like, okay, well, we'll do that next. You know what i mean? Like, and he kind of like rushed this to film. I think it literally came out the next year because I, there was a time in this world where every July 4th, we had a new purge film. So yeah, right, right, right.
01:13:07
Speaker
Um, I, listen, I actually think that this one is probably, either the best or close to the top for me when it comes to like these ones. And I i would not disagree with you on this at all. I would agree with you on that.
01:13:21
Speaker
I do think that there's some interesting dynamics about kind of how the new founding fathers. This is an a time in the purge where like not enough people are purging. So they're sending out like squadrons of people to like kill people to like feed them more chilly. Andrew, that's how yeah how that's how it could happen.
01:13:39
Speaker
And encourage them to like kill. i do think it's interesting when they, when they read kind of like the monitor on like, you know, the, the voice comes on and she's like, sure it's one hour till the commencement of the purge. And, you know, all, and it's funny because even in that little like readout, she says like, all crime is ah legal. Right.
01:13:59
Speaker
ah including murder. So it's almost like a subliminal message of like saying, like go out and murder. And it was funny because I was thinking about it and I was like, Hmm, what would I do? Like, what would I do if there was a, if there was really a purge? And like, honestly, mine is so stupid. Like the first thing I thought about, I was like, you know, the first thing I would do is I would steal from my 401k without penalty. Yeah.
01:14:25
Speaker
you know mean think I do. i would do the same fucking thing. Trust me. It's like those kinds of stupid things that like my brain goes to. Whereas it's like in this world, in this purge world, like literally the only crime that people want to do is fucking blow shit up and kill.
01:14:41
Speaker
And that is so crazy to me that like, I almost need like, um, a purge movie where they're like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go try on all the shoes that is without footy socks. Like, you know, Yeah, totally. I mean, like the if the only event that they're going to show is murder, and in I mean, how many of these films are there now?
01:15:02
Speaker
Five, I think? Five. So if the only thing that that's going to happen ever is just murder, murder, murder, after gets old. honest after a while it gets old Yeah, no, I agree. um This one, though, I do think a lot of the characters are are really good. I also I think that Callie is a really good character because she's the one that is kind of like, you know, showing the the the Carmelo videos to people. And, you know, there's a different way to think about this. And she's kind of one that really does compel Leo to not commit his murder at the end of the day.
01:15:35
Speaker
And so I appreciate that they had a character like that in in this movie because like a lot of times, and we'll get to the next one when we get to it, but like a lot of times we don't have that kind of like um alter ulterior thinking in these movies. It's kind of all about just like survive the night, get to get to where you need to go, blah, blah, blah.
01:15:53
Speaker
And that's kind of um what our straight couple in this are kind of that's that's their that's their role in the movie is to just survive. um and And listen, I'm going to be honest. I think that their storyline is by far the weakest. Oh, it's in it's so weak. it it is it It barely even makes any sense, if I'm being honest. Like, no, it's so stupid.
01:16:14
Speaker
It says at the beginning of the movie, there's two hours and 26 minutes until the commencement of the. partss What are these fucking people doing? Grocery shopping. OK, so that is just the thing, too. And I was thinking this throughout both of these films while I was watching them nearly back to back yesterday.
01:16:30
Speaker
And it is this. So everyone knows that the purge is happening. Everyone knows about it. it's It's been going on for years. How on earth is everybody not locked and loaded, stocked with everything, steel shutters on the windows, everything that they possibly do? I mean, you would basically, because your chances of living and dying, no matter who you are, no matter where you live, are basically 50-50 on that night, no matter where you are in America, how could you not spend the entire year getting ready for it?
01:17:00
Speaker
Right. Right. That's what I mean. These fucking people are out just like driving around. i mean, girl, it was 2014. Do you know what we had then? Instacart, bitch. So like you you were not without options of grocery delivery.
01:17:14
Speaker
And also like, look, I'm not saying that you need to own a gun or that yeah I even want you to own one. But in purge land, maybe it's a good idea if you do. I'm just saying, like, just maybe you should buy one because chances of some freak in like a fucking mask coming at you with a, I don't know, machete or a fucking machine gun, the chances are pretty good.
01:17:35
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That's ah I will say though, the part where he, uh, where they're in the grocery store parking lot and that guy kind of like comes up to them. yeah I did jump really big at that part. It did scare me, but, um, um, and their their storyline is just so pathetic if I'm being honest. And there, you know, we talk about how they're, and I'm not talking about the actors. I think the actors do a fine job. I just think that that storyline is like, Oh, we're separating and I'm going to tell your sister and this is yeah your whole story.
01:18:02
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and there's There's other things about them that drive me nuts too. Like, for example, when they're when finally Leo or Sargent agrees to take them all to the friend's house where he's supposed to get the car. Spoiler, that doesn't happen.
01:18:15
Speaker
um But like they're they're walking down the street and he's got a gun, of course, because he's literally fucking protecting them. And like Zach Guilford's character is like, ah do you guys think we should trust him right now? And I'm like...
01:18:26
Speaker
but Like what world do you, number one, you can't trust anybody in purge land, but number two, like if he was going to shoot you, he'd probably just have done that by now when you were in his back seats, trying to get in his car. right you know I mean, it just, it it goes back and forth with this. And I'm just like, Oh man, we already covered this earlier in class, baby. You know what i mean? Yeah.
01:18:48
Speaker
Yeah. So they annoy me. I think that, um, uh, I think that the actors do a fine job of, ah especially, uh, I think her name's Keely. If, if that's how you pronounce it, I think so. Yeah.
01:18:58
Speaker
Like, I think that they do a fine job. I just think that the writing for them is just like so under par when it comes to all the other characters in the movie. Um, even like the bed, like the big, bad, big daddy, like even he has like a better storyline yeah than like them.
01:19:13
Speaker
um So for them, I kind of like to can take them or leave them. I think that the the mother and daughter do a great job of kind of establishing, you know, that they're like lower to middle class. They're just trying to survive the night.
01:19:25
Speaker
yeah I think that when Papa, when you find out what his fate is, i was just like, oh, that is that is rough stuff because. He is literally he he has some sort of debilitating disease where he needs medication. They're struggling to pay for the medication. So what does he do? He sacrifices himself to a upper upper class family so that they can purge protected, I guess. um I guess. but But ah in in in retribution for that, he gets a hundred thousand dollars to give to his to his kids, which is like, yeah.
01:19:58
Speaker
Which is in and of itself why this purge does not make sense or it does it's not good for whatever they're trying to accomplish as far as like but they try to sell it to you. Like unemployment is below 5% and like and literally everyone has a house and like everyone's doing that so great. but if If there's a fucking purge going on every year and and unemployment is only at 5% and not lower than that, there's a fucking problem.
01:20:24
Speaker
yeah I think it's below 5% right now. Like, I mean, that that's, that's actually not that great, everybody. So like get with the program. and The other thing that I have in my notes is I was like, so if this purge is literally just like all about destruction, because that's all we see, we don't see any of the white collar crimes. We don't see any of the the crazy other stuff that could be going on. Like, Oh, you know what I'm going to do on purge night insider trading. You know what I mean? Yeah. all Right.
01:20:50
Speaker
it it it so So after the purge, does it literally take – is this the new currency in America is the purge? Because it would literally take millions upon millions of dollars to just clean up after the purge. well i mean And that that's the thing. is and you like You know me. I don't have to have every answer in a movie. I really am okay with that.
01:21:12
Speaker
But like this one leaves such glaring things unanswered that it doesn't make a lot of sense. And then the other part of it too is like what what would be what we don't – so okay, you said before like you know when he was making this movie, it was like, okay, well, we'll show you the rest of the world then. Let's see what that's like.
01:21:29
Speaker
But all we know about is the purge. So like if the purge is happening – And literally once a year, people go out and massacre each other. Like, okay, America is bad right now. i get it.
01:21:42
Speaker
But that's that's pretty fucking bad. So why wouldn't people just leave? And it can't be just because they don't have money, right? This is movie land. So anything could happen.
01:21:52
Speaker
So like, if you want to show me more of the world, why don't you show me more of the world? Don't explain it away with a card at the top of the movie saying unemployment's at 5% and whatever else the fucking thing was.
01:22:04
Speaker
Like it doesn't, it just doesn't, it doesn't play in Peoria, man. I mean, like, would you, Andrew, would you stay in America if once a year it was massacre night where you you could go kill whoever you wanted to?
01:22:17
Speaker
I mean, I certainly wouldn't stay in the city. mean but but i be i think you you get what I'm trying to say. like you yeah probably You would probably try to go to somewhere else because that's not a country that you would want to live in. So this film doesn't do a good job of explaining anything.
01:22:31
Speaker
And then when it when it does try to explain stuff, it's always in such like just a ah stereotypical way. Like the poor people are usually what? Guess what? They're not white. They're usually either brown or black.
01:22:44
Speaker
um And then it it they have this this contrapuntal thing of then having like most of the people that are going crazy killing people. They're usually black people in these movies. So, yeah, it's just like what is going on with these films? And it's a shame because at the end of the day, it's a if you if you if you reduce everything that I just said and take that away.
01:23:07
Speaker
It is a compelling idea, especially for a horror movie. like There's something yeah yeah really interesting about this. But you know you said earlier, it's like he just rushed to get this one out the door.
01:23:18
Speaker
And that that reads. This reads as a rushed movie. Although it is probably the best one of them, it's still rushed. And he could have taken the time to really explore what this world was instead of just sort of like dealing out stereotypes and going, yeah, let's play that.
01:23:33
Speaker
Well, for instance, so there's an ah time early on in the movie where um our one of our main protagonists, ah the mom, Eva, ah she's set up to have this like really like engaging conversation with her boss about like why she needs a pay raise. Yeah, great point.
01:23:51
Speaker
And then it never happens. And it's just kind of like ah road off in like a side like a side conversation with her daughter just about like, well, I didn't get it And I'm like, well, you should have shown us that. I don't know. It's such like a big part of what your character is.
01:24:06
Speaker
um and then like you know they're there' And we'll talk about bad dialogue when we get to the next movie. But there is a couple of things in this movie where they just no one would say this. like when When the newscaster says, and if you plan on releasing the beast tonight, like be careful. And I was like, what newscaster is literally going to look at the camera and say, release the beast? Yeah, and and if if i if I hear one more person in a Purge movie going, it's my right, i i just I'm going to jump out a window.
01:24:36
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. um I'm trying to think. ah Let's see here. um sha So Shane is the only one that actually gets killed. ah We're left to believe that Liz...
01:24:47
Speaker
ah joins kind of the anti-purge people. And also, we didn't talk about this enough, Carmelo is great. Like, I mean, it's Michael K. Williams. He's good in everything. And if you don't know Michael K. Williams, he was Omar in The Wire, right? Who was just one of the best roles of all time.
01:25:03
Speaker
And like when this dude comes in he is just straight up Michael K. Williams. he doesnt yeah just He just plays himself basically and goes for it. And that's wonderful. So thank you, Michael K. Williams. And I do think that our main character, you know, in this movie, Sergeant or whatever, i do think that his arc is interesting because you have to take him You have to take into account that his son was killed. We don't know how old his son was, but he was killed by a drunk driver.
01:25:32
Speaker
There's a really, really awful like side comment that he just said that he got off on a technicality, which I was like, if you hit a kid while drunk driving, I don't, what is the, what's the technicality? Yeah, that doesn't really make any sense. and he doesn't um But at the end of the day, he's out for revenge.
01:25:47
Speaker
We can't, we understand the revenge. Like, I'm sorry, but if someone hit my kid, ah while drunk driving and they didn't get any like thing put against them like I don't blame the guy but like you know throughout the movie kind of Callie is the one that really like kind of wants to be like don't do this like you're not going to feel any better and at the end of the day what happens is that that guy ends up saving his life like you said earlier and I think that that little arc is really well done if I'm if I'm talking about like the the main points of kind of the purge anarchy movie it's a little cheesy but I would agree with you
01:26:20
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, they play. I did. I did i did have it in my notes. um I did see one error in this movie, and I'm not one for usually trying to call out continuity errors, but I did see it is where at the very end when he's pulling up to take ah Frank Grillo's character in the car to the hospital because he's been shot.
01:26:39
Speaker
There's a shot and they and they do it because they need to see the Eva. They need to see her face um where there's no headrest. And then in the next shot, the headrest is back because they don't need that shot anymore. And I was like, ooh, I don't usually catch those things. So I wanted to call it out because I i kind of congratulate myself sometimes for catching those stupid things.
01:26:56
Speaker
They're there screaming, do you have a car? Do you have a car? I'm like, motherfucker, there's a car that you were just in. like i know. You all got car cars. There's cars. all It's true. didn't even think about that. you're in Actually, it was a nice car. You're in a Cadillac. You're in a big old fucking whatever Cadillac SUV thing.
01:27:12
Speaker
Just take that. That you stole from people that were charging $200,000 a person for an entry fee into the the murder purge or whatever. it So so ah that is another little point that I'll make here. and i i'll God, I'm going way deeper on this than I thought I would today.
01:27:26
Speaker
um But like what the other part of it that drives me a little nuts is is the moralizing against it, right? So like when people won't do the things to help themselves because they're like morally opposed to to the purge, I'm like – And somewhere in there, like, I don't know if it was like, well, we stole that car. We can't keep it. I'm like, what world do you fucking live in You live in a country where people can kill each other one day of the year.
01:27:50
Speaker
What does even matter? Morals don't even matter anymore. Steal whatever you want. Yeah, it does. It does. that There is something about and it's it's highlighted in this movie, too. But it does crack me up that like so Big Daddy, who's like, I guess like ah some sort of figure of authority. Military guy or whatever. guy Yeah. um ah He gets shot and then like his minions come up to like take out these people that just shot their boss whatever.
01:28:15
Speaker
But then like they're saved by the bell. And I just think it's so funny in these movies. Then they just stop. I mean, come on. Yeah. That it's like that they're so controlled by the purge that like as soon as they hear the siren, they're like, well, go darn it. We didn't get to kill us. Oh, man, we're a minute late. Oh, no.
01:28:33
Speaker
I just think i just think that that is like really funny to me. And I understand that this is like purge world and I don't live in it. And it's not for me to like criticize. I just think it's really funny. Andrew, did you know that ah during the montage of clips during the end credits, one shot is of assorted bladed weapons and one of the blades is vampire slayer Faith Lahane's signature blade from the series.
01:28:57
Speaker
Oh, my God. I need to go back. I thought you would like to hear that. I love it. Well, Andrew, listen, I think we've we've given this film a lot more time than I thought we would. um What did you rate this movie?
01:29:10
Speaker
I said, yes, some of the character choices are pretty silly, but overall, I still think this is an effective vehicle for this kind of story. And out of Seven Stripes, because we rate every film here at Fragge the 13th on the Seven Stripes scale, because of the Seven Stripes of the Gay Old Rainbow, I gave The Purge Anarchy 4.5.
01:29:30
Speaker
And I said that Purge films often end up as tableau after tableau, a venue for filmmakers to create mise-en-scene with masks, blood, slogans, and violence. Much of it makes no sense. But what if we endeavored to take the franchise seriously as a warning?
01:29:46
Speaker
Perhaps that's where the only virtue of Purge films lies. Also, there's no anarchy in this movie. I gave it a three and a half. All right, well, that will do it for The Purge Anarchy.
Introduction to 'Purge Election Year'
01:29:57
Speaker
We'll take a quick break and be right back with The Purge Election Year.
01:30:03
Speaker
We played a lot of Purge games this evening. We have just one more. It's called Mommy's Choice. Which one of you will survive this year's Purge? Yeah!
01:30:16
Speaker
The soul of our country is at stake. The Purge targets the poor and the innocent. The senator's going to win. She's going to make real changes too. It is a night that is defining our country. It's time to do something about that, Senator. The Purge has to come to an end.
01:30:32
Speaker
You take a lot of risks, Senator. I have to. I was the only one in my family to survive. um What need you apply for this position? I almost did something on Purge nights a year's back. i want this night gone.
01:30:45
Speaker
I want men in all these rooms. and We got eyes and ears on everything. All right, let's begin.
01:30:53
Speaker
This is your emergency broadcast system announcing the commencement of the annual purge. At the siren, all crime, including murder, will be legal for 12 hours.
01:31:07
Speaker
Your government thanks you for your participation.
01:31:15
Speaker
Someone betrayed us. This is not a drill.
01:31:25
Speaker
um We are on our own. We have one goal right now. Survival.
01:31:42
Speaker
Senator, come with us. You gentlemen understand what's at stake here? um Maybe it's our duty to help protect her. Here they come. Hold on!
01:32:09
Speaker
Blessed be America for letting us purge and cleanse our souls. Join me as we eliminate evil. Purge and cure.
01:32:20
Speaker
Purge and cure. Just remember all the good the purge does.
01:32:30
Speaker
I hope you had time to vote because it's election year and it's also the purge. Maddie, talk us to all about the purge election year. Keep America great.
01:32:41
Speaker
Two years after choosing not to kill the man who killed his son, former police sergeant Leo Barnes has become head of security for Senator Charlene Roan, the frontrunner in the next presidential election due to her vow to eliminate the purge. Oh, my God.
01:32:57
Speaker
On the night of what should be the final purge, a betrayal from within the government forces Barnes and Roan out onto the street where they must fight to survive the night. This film was also written and directed by James DeMonaco.
01:33:10
Speaker
It was also ah produced by Blumhouse and distributed by Universal Pictures. um Leo Barnes once again plays Frank Grillo. Senator Charlie Rowan is played by Elizabeth Mitchell.
01:33:21
Speaker
Joe played by McKelty Williamson. Marcos played by JJ Soria. Lainey by Betty Gabriel. Earl by Terry Serpico. Dante by Edwin Hodge. And Minister Owens by Kyle Secor.
01:33:35
Speaker
It is rated R. It's 108 minutes long. How? I don't know.
Initial Thoughts on 'Purge Election Year'
01:33:40
Speaker
ah Made in the USA, released July 1st of 2016, filmed in Providence and Woonsocket, Rhode Island.
01:33:49
Speaker
How about that, Andrew? We were just there. um The budget was $16 million, brought in $32 million, far less than Purge Anarchy. um So that is ah election year. Andrew, tell us all about it.
01:34:02
Speaker
So election year. um I thought I had seen this before. don't think I watched the whole thing when I saw it before because there was a lot of stuff that I didn't remember towards the end. Listen.
01:34:14
Speaker
listen
01:34:16
Speaker
I think that the setup of this movie is very interesting. I think the first 30 minutes is pretty interesting. Like the whole setting up of like a new senator coming in and like trying to get rid of the purge and kind of being like a you know a left left person trying to steer the course differently. and I think that that's all really interesting. Yeah.
01:34:39
Speaker
However, after things start to go down, so like when her head of security, whatever, but not head, one of her security betrays, betrays her and they kind of go into the night and are forced out into the purge.
01:34:55
Speaker
This movie gets super boring and yeah really repetitive. And honestly, like even I'm telling you there is some grade A like actors in this movie, like Elizabeth Mitchell was on Lost for years and was great on Lost. Frank Grillo, we've time and time again seen him do really great things.
01:35:16
Speaker
ah Betty Gabriel, who's on The Walking Dead for many years as Sasha. Like we we've seen these people do really good things. This is not one of them. I'm just going to be totally honest with you. There there are so many parts to this where ah especially our one of our characters, Joe, he has some of the worst lines that I've ah maybe ever heard in a movie. If I'm being honest, his his catchphrase good night, blue cheese. What does that mean?
01:35:44
Speaker
It doesn't it doesn't mean anything. And he says like things like, what in the Mississippi fuck? What does that mean? you don't know where these lines come from. We got to ask James DeMonaco, you know? He wrote it.
01:35:59
Speaker
I think that there's some good ideas in here. Do I think that our lord and savior of the purge America is going to be this blonde white lady? No, I don't. So... I don't know why everyone's like, if, if anyone can do it, she can do it.
01:36:14
Speaker
But it's just, it's a very weird concept. And I don't even buy that. Like they're trying to like protect her because she's going to turn it all around. Like there's gotta be an uprising of people that are behind her. That if she did die there would be another person that would like stand that platform up.
01:36:36
Speaker
You know what i mean? Like if half of America is behind her and behind her ideals, that one person doesn't matter. Exactly. If I'm being honest. right Yeah, sure. ah But that's the movie and that's like what we're led to believe. And then we have this whole side quest of people that include like Lainey and Marcos and Joe.
01:36:58
Speaker
And I'm going to be honest, I don't really get what they're doing. Like, so Lainey and her mysterious driver, because this woman drives the vehicle and literally has like one line, but we never learn her name. We never learn why she's out there risking her life on purge night.
01:37:14
Speaker
um But Lainey is supposedly some... I don't know, like neighborhood fixture of like, she did something really bad-ass that we don't ever learn. If I'm in, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't understand what she actually did to earn this like bad-ass role.
01:37:30
Speaker
And now on purge night, she goes out and like basically bandages people, gives them health care, like dah, dah, dah, dah. Um, And then they get wrapped up into this because Joe has to protect his deli.
01:37:43
Speaker
And then his insurance goes. There's so many layers of messaging. The deli thing is so stupid. There's so many layers of messaging that you get so mixed up that I couldn't even follow the plot. If I'm being honest, but i mean it's I don't know. What did you think? Well, i mean, look, it's like, it's, it's just like, once again, why do we care about anything in this world? Like this world is, is ah is a, is a completely fucked,
01:38:06
Speaker
Stupid world. Nothing makes sense here. So why should I even try to make it make sense? Why should I care about it? Why do I care about this dude that all he can think about on purge night as I got to get back to my deli?
01:38:19
Speaker
ah Come on. This this is ridiculous. why Why does he even have a deli here in the first place? Once again, if it's purge night, why you live in purge world.
01:38:30
Speaker
and and You know it's coming in every year. Why do you even live in a city? Why wouldn't you fucking go off to a hill somewhere or whatever? None of this makes any sense. It doesn't make any sense. Humans would not act this way.
01:38:42
Speaker
They just wouldn't. I think that Betty Gabriel is wasted in this movie. Betty Gabriel is fantastic. Yeah. And I mean, like, listen, if if she didn't knock you out and get out that I don't know who the fuck you are.
01:38:54
Speaker
But Betty Gabriel is great. She gets wasted in this movie becoming like a ah chum. It's it's it's very, very odd to me. Did you notice that at the beginning of the movie when she's walking down the street, it's very clearly raining in the movie, but she's not getting wet.
01:39:09
Speaker
oh god that's so good great great work truman show um i i will say i am on um i'm on letterbox right now and there are some there are some funny uh reviews that i'll read for you really quick um this one is from kate and kate kate gave it five stars and she just said frank grillo should purge this pussy that's it Which I just think is really, really funny.
01:39:35
Speaker
Another person, um Jewish Vampire on Letterboxd said, why didn't anyone tell me these movies were fun? Another person, Tara, gave it two and a half stars and said, America has a problem.
01:39:47
Speaker
Now, there's a serious one that I will read to you, though, think this is actually a really pointed review. And this is it. This is from Nathaxan or whatever. um So Nathaxan, thank you for this review.
01:39:58
Speaker
I thought the purge anarchy was a huge step forward for this franchise over the slack pacing and confused politics of the initial purge. So I had high hopes for this entry as a like, as I like both Frank Grillo and Elizabeth Mitchell, who is one of my favorite people on loss.
01:40:15
Speaker
I had such high hopes when I saw this in the theater. I paid money to see this money. I almost asked for back in this movie. White elites decide everything. There are the bad white elite capitalist Christians who wish to sustain a kill the poor human sacrifice regime with the aid of white power flunky assassins and the good white elite who represent incrementalist electoral politics.
01:40:40
Speaker
People of color are all inherently violent, whether revolutionaries, gang members, or super predator sociopaths. Their role is to help or hinder the white savior who is allowed to lecture them on the proper ethics of how to run their grassroots revolution.
01:40:58
Speaker
The best that people of color can hope for through adherence to respectability politics and helping the good white people is a shot at small business ownership like a deli.
01:41:09
Speaker
I like Mad Max, the Warriors, Urban Malay as much as anyone, but don't ask me to engage in a sexualized gaze of a teenage girl gang who are then mowed down by older, responsible, reformed gang members and cheer for that because I won't.
01:41:25
Speaker
Don't even get me started on the dialogue. This movie made me angry and not in the way it might want me to be. That's interesting. um i was never more i was I was never more satisfied when that girl got hit by the car. Fair enough.
01:41:40
Speaker
But I mean, look, that that he they make a really great point here. The whole like Elizabeth Mitchell thing and her like telling people how this should be done or whatever is like. Once again, you live in purge world.
01:41:51
Speaker
Who gives a fuck? Like you don't know shit. And if you haven't gotten it done by now, a politician, then you're probably not going to get it done. And actually, there is no guarantee that you're going to win the election. And you can't guarantee that.
01:42:02
Speaker
And frankly, in purge world, why would you win the election if they're doing everything once again to kill people whenever they want? Basically, do you really think they're going to let you win?
01:42:15
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's true. I mean, they sent out a a murder squadron after her, so... oh but but it can only happen in those 12 hours, though. Yeah. ah A couple things in my notes, I was like, okay, we know that it's purge night, and we're still just going to go out with bladed weapons and tasers? Girl, exactly. Yeah.
01:42:35
Speaker
Um, the, I'm sorry. like Where's your rocket launcher? Where are your grenades? Where are, where's like your, your fucking, I don't know. You're like your Gatling gun or whatever. I'm sure that the actresses that play the teenage girls have gone on to do much better things.
01:42:51
Speaker
ah But in this movie, I was very angry that ah Joe and Marcos have the upper hand. They're on the roof and they don't just fucking kill these bitches. I'm sorry, but like they're holding automatic weapons and, and, and, it and literally are the only threat to your precious deli that you are staying behind to protect.
01:43:15
Speaker
Yeah. Why don't you just kill them? If that's... I agree. Like, I don't... and then i didn It made me so mad. and then And that's why I was so satisfied when they just got hit by the car.
01:43:27
Speaker
Andrew, you can't do that. If you do that, you become one of them. Don't you get it But that's but he's the the whole story is that he's saying to protect his deli. so Yeah, but exactly. i don't know what to tell you. and that's just a been And this is why these movies just drive me nuts, because it's like an Oroboros of fucking ah like like absurdity.
01:43:47
Speaker
It really is. Yeah. There is one. like i I actually found it almost comical. There's a moment where ah Frank Grillo – or sorry, Frank – not Frank. don't know why said Frank.
01:43:58
Speaker
um Leo Grillo. And Leo and Charlie are running down like an alley. And there's a moment where like a guillotine like comes out and it's like a trap. And ah yeah and they're supposed to be like, you know, almost doing like, um like jump rope where you're like, like, hold on.
01:44:14
Speaker
Yeah. And then they like, but if you look at where the guillotine is, literally you just have to duck under it. I know. it's just that's a good one i was thinking the same. I was like, you could literally just crawl if you wanted to and you'd be fine.
01:44:26
Speaker
Yeah. like um Okay. The other thing that I put in here is that when they are wheeling out the chronic drug addict to ah basically let the bishop purge, I put in my notes, I was like, the bishop looks like he's the one that's on ah on hunting on heroin. Because that I don't know if they made that actor look like that or what, but he looked like gaunt and sick. And like I was like, what is wrong with that guy? Very, very strange looking.
01:44:54
Speaker
um And then um and the other thing. So during this midnight mass where they're going to let the new founding fathers elite kind of purge on their own um enemies or whatever you want to call it.
01:45:10
Speaker
There's a moment where they say, okay, all new founding fathers come up and we're going to do this whole like ceremony thing and, you know, kill ah Charlie and get rid of our enemy.
01:45:21
Speaker
And then the next moment, Frank Grillo and his group and his posse come in and literally shoot all of those people. So therefore they have now killed the new founding fathers.
01:45:33
Speaker
Yes. But we still have to get her out of there. And I'm just like, what is going on? it Yeah, and it just keeps going. It just keeps going. like you know ah ah How long was this again? 108 minutes?
01:45:45
Speaker
Oh, man. 108 minutes is a long time, dude. I paused it, and there were like 54 minutes left, and i was like, are you joking me? Come on. I think, you know look, I will say this, because look, I know that there are people out here out there who are listening who probably like these films.
01:46:02
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I just just as always, you know that we think that you are totally fine and cool. Like everyone has an opinion about me. Of course. Yeah. and And I would also say that, you know, maybe for you and me when it comes to these, because we watch them essentially back to back.
01:46:17
Speaker
I mean, look, maybe that we have a little purge fatigue. Maybe if I had watched this on and another day, I might find it a scintilla better that I will grant you that.
01:46:29
Speaker
I just don't think it's very good. No, yeah, but probably not. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Because like even like I could find a lot of enjoyment in The Purge Anarchy, like we said. I actually did like that movie as just like a fun romp. so fortunately Unfortunately, what we do here is we are analyzing these movies from a more critical perspective. yeah So you sometimes can't just have fun, especially when it's talking about an alternate America that we could potentially live in.
01:47:01
Speaker
like I mean, look, if if if all if all these films were were just fun, then none of this would matter. like The whole point of listening to this is that we do analyze it. And like, look, what that person said in the letterbox review is really important.
01:47:13
Speaker
I mean, that is an analysis that that America needs to understand. Like this this ended up being a movie where black people are helping a white savior. That's what this movie is.
01:47:24
Speaker
And that's fucked up. That's not a good narrative. That's ah that's a bad narrative to have. And fucking James DeMonaco, once, I don't know what he's, I don't know this guy at all or anything else that he's done besides these. I really don't.
01:47:36
Speaker
but clearly he is the kind of person who doesn't think things through very well. And maybe he should ask for feedback. Maybe you should get, i don't know, a black writer. That might be a way to help here, but all of it, it's not working dog.
01:47:50
Speaker
It's a no from me. I mean, even like the quality of the filmmaking takes a huge step down in this, like this in comparison to anarchy, this feels like a B movie or like a movie. I mean,
01:48:02
Speaker
Even the blood is CGI red. Like it doesn't. Oh, yeah. i didn't even think about that. You're right. it's so easy to do practical blood. And listen, CGI or whatever, whatever you're trying to do, the purge anarchy made hand over fist profit.
01:48:17
Speaker
So why would you. Why would you make it a step down? i don't know. It's it's. And then finally, I just have to say this because it really bugged me. Please. The whole thing is about election year and about this woman getting elected so she can get rid of the purge because her family was killed on purge night when she was like much younger, like blah, blah, blah, blah. but I get it.
01:48:36
Speaker
We don't vote in May. I don't know why. Because we know that The Purge takes place in March, and then they say two months later, and they're having the election. And of course, of course, we're relying on Florida to get us the win. like like This movie is going to test my every...
01:48:58
Speaker
bone in my body right now but don't know it just it really bugged me so andrew edwin hodge's character is in all three of the purge movies i didn't even understand this oh really in the first two he was credited as bloody stranger in this one his name is revealed to be dante bishop there you go um This was the first Purge film to be a direct story sequel as it continues exploring the life of Frank Grillo's Sergeant Leo Barnes.
01:49:26
Speaker
And originally, part three was intended to be a prequel telling the story of the very first Purge. The idea was scrapped, though, when Frank Grillo accepted James DeMonaco's offer to reprise the character of Sergeant Leo Barnes.
01:49:40
Speaker
Prequel idea was used for the next film in the series, The First Purge. Cool. um i I did like that they brought back a character, and I think that Frank Grillo is ah ah a great actor, but like it's really weird because like nothing that happened in Anarchy really plays into his character this Not really. this movie no um So I don't know. it ah This is just not it. This is not for me. I understand if you if you like this movie, congratulations. It just was it hit me real wrong.
01:50:13
Speaker
I don't know. yeah it's it's It's a missed opportunity yet again. And I and I and like I said, i I do think there is something really compelling about the idea of the purge. I think that it's that that could be a really important story, especially in America to tell.
01:50:26
Speaker
um It's a shame that James DeMonaco and whoever else is on his team have chosen time and again to create something that is rushed and slapdash and not very well thought out because it ends up reading that way too.
01:50:39
Speaker
Yeah, I just in the in the greater purge universe, this is probably my least favorite out of out of all of them by far. but um And so, OK, my main takeaway from this, I said the drop in quality is so drastic.
Concluding Thoughts on the Purge Franchise
01:50:54
Speaker
The message is so heavy handed that it almost starts to feel like a parody of itself. And I gave this a two.
01:51:02
Speaker
I gave it a one and a half, which I'm pretty sure is my lowest rating ever. um And I said, very simply, this is not a good movie. Listen, i had expectations that I was hoping that these would be.
01:51:17
Speaker
And ah honestly, with Anarchy, i did think it was good. This one, i tried. i tried everybody. i really did. i hope we're not offending anybody, but this one is just. I try to take these seriously, but in the end, i can't take seriously what is not serious. That's just how it is.
01:51:34
Speaker
All well, that will do it for our horror in the movies section. We'll be right back to play a game and close out the show.
01:51:54
Speaker
All right. And we are back to close out episode 102. And Andrew, I've got a little game for you. Fun. This is a game that I made this morning and it's got a really clever title. It's called, um it's all about patriotism and honoring the people that started America.
01:52:13
Speaker
It's called Slave Owner or Founding Father. Oh, that title just like, it just glides off the top. I know. And what I'm going to read you some quotes. And um so you you'll get a point if you guess if they were a slave owner or a founding father.
01:52:30
Speaker
And I'll give you a bonus point if you know who said it. Okay. Okay. Okay. So you've got four that I'm going to read you. um The first one, not that hard. Let's see if you can get this one.
01:52:41
Speaker
The first one is all men are created equal.
01:52:48
Speaker
Was that men or is that just George Washington? So this is in this is in the Declaration of Independence. And this is Thomas Jefferson, who wrote was a slave owner, the slave owner, girl and founding father. Bit of a trick question there. Right.
01:53:07
Speaker
OK, the next one. Are you ready? I advanced it, therefore, as a suspicion only that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race or made distinct by time or circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments of both body and mind.
01:53:24
Speaker
Oh, God. I don't know who said it, but they're awful. Well, do know you think they're a slave owner a founding father? Slave owner. Okay. So trick question again. Guess what? It's Thomas Jefferson again, a slave owner and founding father. How about that? Huh?
01:53:38
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Crazy. um The next one is this. I will say then that I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.
01:53:54
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I'm just going to go with the theme here and say it's both. So kind of close. Now, you're you're never going to guess who this is. It's Abraham. Thomas Jefferson. abraham Abraham Lincoln. How about that, right?
01:54:06
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So this is a little bit before Abraham Lincoln evolved a little bit more, right? ah Abraham Lincoln, not a slave owner, but a founding father in most respects. I wanted to kind of toss that one in. You tricked me. I know, right? Now, the final one is this.
01:54:22
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Why increase the sons of Africa by planting them in America, where we have so fair an opportunity by excluding all blacks and tawnies of increasing the lovely white and red?
01:54:39
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Oy vey. I know, right? That's a slave owner, I'm assuming. So I'll give you a point for that. It was a slave owner and a founding father. That was the big trick of this game. They're all kind of founding fathers and slave owners.
01:54:52
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um And it was Benjamin Franklin who said that. How that? Oh, no. no Yeah. So look, Andrew, I think you did a great job on that quiz. And, um you know, look, look happy late 4th of July, everybody. here are your founding fathers. Congratulations.
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