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EPISODE 140: THE ECONOMY IS TERRIFYING
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EPISODE 140: THE ECONOMY IS TERRIFYING
It’s the economy, stupid! And damn, that economy is TERRIFYING these days!
HORROR IN THE MOVIES
AMERICAN PSYCHO and PARASITE will have you checking your 401K with a LOT of fear…
WHATCHA BEEN WATCHIN’, BITCH?!
Listen in to hear what we’ve been watchin’... bitch!
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Introduction & Podcast Overview
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Fri-Gay the 13th Horror Podcast is a proud independent podcast. To learn more about the show, visit Fri-Gay13.com.
Humorous Tax Time Discussion
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All right, it's tax time. You need to give me all your receipts and deductions and whatnot for the pod.
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Yep, got them all right here. Is that a Lisa Frank Trapper Keeper? I like to be organized. ah Okay, okay, all
Comedic Podcast Expenses
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right. um What's this receipt for a Master Blaster 5000? Oh, that was a research for episode 137, Are Terrifying.
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Hmm. I'll allow it. um What about this one for the pay version of Grindr? You can't write off hookup apps. Episode 130. Hookups are terrifying. Someone had to do it. Okay. But what about this line item for the film The Hole? Oh, whoops. so That was supposed to be the ring.
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Got it. Poppers? $250 in popper money? You can't write those off. Jalapeno poppers. We are so going to get audited. It's episode 140.
Economic Concerns & Trump's Tariffs
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The economy is terrifying. i am the writing on the wall, the whisper in the classroom. I'm Marjorie Greene, and I approve this message to save America, stop socialism, and stop China.
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Stay to find the odyssey from life to death to rise.
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in real life. Doubters, the doomsters, the gloomsters, they are going to get it wrong. Hard up in the movies. Where are you gonna go?
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Where are you gonna run? Where are you gonna hide? Nowhere. Because there's no one like you left. What do we want?
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Justice! When do we want it? Let's go! What are you waiting for, huh?
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I want you to know
Horror & LGBT Themes
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that the movement we started is only just beginning. Sometimes that is better. Are you expecting a recession this year?
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I hate to predict things like that. There is a period of transition because what we're doing is very big. Of course you hesitate. Who knows? All I know is this. We're going to take in hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs and we're going to become so rich. You're not going to know where to spend all that money. I'm telling you, you just watch.
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Welcome to another episode of Fragge the 13th Horror Podcast. My name is Matty. And I'm Andrew. And if this is your first time with us on Fragge the 13th Horror Podcast, this is the podcast where we talk about horror.
00:02:40
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Horror in real life and in the movies from an LGBT perspective. And today we're talking about something particularly horrifying.
Economics Simplified
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And you know what, Andrew? Right in time for tax season, isn't it?
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um It's the economy, baby. The economy. Look, economics, the economy, Adam Smith, all that kind of shit. it's um if you're If you've ever seen if youve seen the big short, Andrew...
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I saw it the year it came out, but I have not seen it since then. Okay. So The Big Short is one of my like favorite movies. i just think it's I forget who the director is, but I just think it's so well done. It's really clever the way that they that they do it.
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And one of the reasons why that movie works so well, and and they they even talk about it in the movie, is that they're able to like make economics and the economy like understandable to the normal person. Yeah.
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And like the economy is such a complex and confusing thing. and and And the same is true for economics. Pardon me. That like most people don't get it.
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And so like when people who seem to be really smart talk about it, they sort of like just like get lost in it because they're like, wait a minute, what did what did you just say? It's the same reason why, like and this is what they explained in that movie, why like all these different terms exist for this and that and the other thing. like if If you've ever been If you've ever owned a stock before or traded stock before, you yourself know that there are so many terms that you're like, I don't really know what that means, but I'm going to hit this button.
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You know what i mean? And like that is pretty much most people's understanding of the economy. I think for the I think for the average American, it's money in money out. And that's it. yeah like that's that that I think you're absolutely right. And like a basic understanding of like, oh, I can't think of a term right now for God's sake, but like ah supply and demand, right? Yeah. you know People need this so it becomes more expensive. When they don't need it, it's not as expensive, right? Which is it just sort of a basic tenant of of economics.
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But what we'll try to do today is talk about the scarier side of economics, but also some of the hopeful sides too. um But I thought it might be good just to kind of start with like, Where are we right now?
Global Economic Instability
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Right. And so this is sort of my view on where we are. America is on the verge of a recession. And like this is this isn't like like ah like a like a projection of mine. It's it's the truth.
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Even Donald Trump says it. Right. Even he like last week just said that he he can't rule out that a recession is on the way. And that's.
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If you don't know what a recession is, look, it's not good. like i'll I'll just put it to you that way, right? And the recession is about to occur because of the huge risk posed by Trump's tariffs and all the economic uncertainty as the economy there continues to flounder.
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So I just mentioned stocks, right? The stocks that I own, i don't I don't own, I'm not like some kind of fucking millionaire in the stock market. I own a ah very low amount of stocks, trust me. But the investments that I have there that i I am indeed worried about because it's real money to me,
00:05:42
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Since Donald Trump became president, they have lost 40% of my That's a lot of money, my friends. well I think like even people that are not yeah yeah like stock, like I don't own any stocks, but I do have a 401k. Sure. like like Absolutely. And that's that's affected by the stock market. It sure is.
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Even if you're not an active member of like trading, you're still at risk. Exactly. Right. and And there's all these ripple effects that can occur from the stock market. So, you know, if this industry tumbles, it can affect a whole other number of industries. And I'm just saying like an X industry and a Y industry.
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So no one's really safe from the stock market, even if you don't own stocks in it. Right. Right. ah Europe is gravely concerned. um So, you know, the war in Ukraine rages on No one really knows what the fuck is going to happen with it.
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And the reality now of a more disconnected world where America isn't like on the path of like, we're going to do good for everybody because that's good for America. Now America is like, actually, we're not going to do anything for anybody anymore.
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Completely America first. Europe, you do your own thing. Ukraine, we don't give a fuck. of over Over in the Middle East, yet let let let Netanyahu do whatever he wants to do. I don't care anymore.
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Let China do what they want to do. Let Putin do you know whatever he wants to do. everyone is very, very concerned. And even like just today in the Irish Times, we're recording it on Saturday, March 22nd.
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There's this article right on the front page where I saw it and i my stomach about dropped because of course now the ah America is starting to look at the multinationals that are in Ireland thinking about that tax base that America isn't getting, right?
00:07:21
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So in other words, companies like Mine that are over here for the tax break. We're all going to be worrying about this for the next year. I can guarantee you. um Asia is deeply worried because China continues to threaten Taiwan and there is a real risk of war. They're very, very serious risk of war.
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in in In the last week, a story came out. that Elon Musk, for whatever reason, was briefed, had it had a security briefing at a very high level about a possible war with China.
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If that ever happened, ah that might actually be the end of times. It's it's it's entirely possible. And then finally, the global... sub I'm going over the entire world. The global South continues to suffer. So Africa, South America, Australia even, New Zealand, all these different places, South Asia, ah they are all suffering because...
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America is dismantling the former aid mechanisms like USAID, for example. So, you know, across the board, across the globe, but the economy is not doing very well and stocks are down. Any small gains are getting wiped away in it but by the end of most weeks.
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And it's only been a couple of months since Trump came to power. Right. So it's not a surprise that most people out there are genuinely worried about stuff. And what happens when people are genuinely worried?
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Here's what they're not going to do, Andrew. They're not going to go, hey, I'm worried. I'm going to go buy that TV at Costco. Right. Or I'm worried. I'm going to go buy that new car. Instead, they're going to go, you know what?
00:08:49
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I better save some money right now. Right. And so the economy is also floundering from that. Well, and also, you know, what what they don't talk about and what's like not really popular is that we are deporting.
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Like millions of people, millions of people. And this is going to sound trite and I don't mean it that way, but millions of people that buy shit. Like the truth. Yeah. But like, that's like they they buy, they spend, they're paying into the the tax system. Like it's,
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I think that that's like a ah ah ah vast misconception of this just deport everybody system is that like, no, actually, those people are helping America stay to sustain sustained.
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Yeah. and theyre And they are paying taxes. Exactly.
LGBTQ+ Economic Contributions
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Just the whole the whole like thing about like. Only take care of your own is so dumb. Oh, I hate it so much.
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and and it's And it's been proven time after time after time. Fuck, look at Rome for fuck's sake. Like, yeah, just you got you got to be able to reach across the table and take care of some other people when they are suffering, too. Like, it's. It doesn't work this way. Like we're all in the world. And I'm not talking about like globalization. I'm just talking about like, hey, if we see injustice in the world or if we see people suffering, they're people too.
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Like yeah it's completely. Well, you know, it's it's a great word to bring up globalization because i I think this is the thing that those two things go hand in hand. Right. And and the the idea that like we could become some sort of like junta North Korean type state where we only rely on America. And that's it.
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Or, you know, me in Ireland, we only rely on Ireland and that's it no I don't want any other goods in here. No, no other things, just Irish things. And in America, only American things. That's not how the world works anymore.
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That's just not it. Like, it's also so dumb. It's like getting a time machine and take yourself back to the 19th century, friend, because the world has changed and you can't like literally.
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You just can't have a country that exists that way you can and and if you want an example look at North Korea where their own system of Juche just means that basically they cut off all trade with everybody except for China and Russia and all and that's all that look at how their people live they They're start look at how their people work. They have nothing to do. There's no jobs There's nothing there So you have an example of what that could be if you really want it if you really want to make America first and What you're really saying is that you actually want to make North Korea in America.
00:11:25
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So good luck with that and your dear leader. But the economy that America has cannot survive on that. So lots of interesting stuff here. you know One of the things that I was thinking about when when thinking about what to do for this episode, and and i do think about this a lot because, you know, look, I'm ah i'm a leader in a company.
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That means as a leader that I get to manage people, but it also means I get to hire people. Right. One of the things that i always work with my recruiters on is like, you know, hey, how many LGBT people can can we hire? You know, cant we ah can we you know do some sourcing for transgender people? Is that possible here?
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You know, it'd be really great if we were you know kind of opening opening a little bit wider to to what we could find, you know, sort of out of the box for this role or that role or that role. And it's something that I'm really proud of, you know, um and I think a lot about how queer people, know,
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in particular, really have such an impact on the economy in in so many ways. you know like For example, I am a single person who does not have children.
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Do you know that means? It means that I spend a fuck ton of money on things that I don't really need. right right And so I buy this and I buy that and I buy this and I buy that and all my taxes go to the government and there it is. I don't get that any tax breaks for having kids.
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I don't get a tax break for being married. and I just spend a bunch of money and it goes into the economy. I i am ah bit of like an economic driver, no matter where I am. Right.
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And so that's the truth for pretty much most of us in this community. And frankly, any country should be fucking glad that you have queer people because we spend so much fucking money. getting It's like, uh, what do they call it? Um,
00:13:07
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you know It's like almost like passive income like because you it's just like automatically put right back into the economy. you know it's It's insane. You can rely on us to keep to keep the places going.
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um But one one interesting article that I found was was, again, from Forbes. I think my last one was from Forbes, too. um And it's all about how LGBT businesses, what they contribute to the economy.
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And folks, you'll have to forgive my voice. I'm a little bit like dry today and coffee. So I might cough during this. And if I do, I'm sorry. ah Like there, for example. Well, and this is and this is what ah your Fox News is are not going to are not going to report. They're going to only report that transgender people are awful and that that we shouldn't have them. And instead, you know, transgender people pay the same fucking taxes that you do. Exactly. Fuck up.
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And so this article that I have was from last year, from from pride from Pride Month last year in Forbes by Rhett Buttle. And it's ah it's a simple title. LGBTQ businesses contribute nearly $2 trillion to the economy.
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$2 trillion. Trillion. Just want you to remember that number, right? So here it is. Pride Month commemorates the ongoing pursuit of civil rights for LGBT people. We celebrate it this month because the movement was ignited by New York City's Stonewall Inn uprising on June 28th, 1969.
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While more needs to be done to achieve equality, one can see the progress that has been made in the contributions of LGBT businesses to the U.S. economy. According to the National LGBT Chamber of Commerce, there are an estimated 1.4 million LGBT business owners in America.
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These businesses contribute $1.7 trillion dollars to the U.S. economy, while the LGBT community as a whole spends more than $917 billion every year on goods and services. Wow.
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billion dollars every year on goods and services I just want to go back and read that fucking again, because every one of us should have that in our pockets as a bullet point for every bigot out there.
00:15:14
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hu The LGBT community as a whole spends more than $917 billion dollars every year on goods and services. Now, I'm going to go away from the article for a second just to say you want to take that away?
00:15:27
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You want to get rid of us? Baby, go right ahead. You go right ahead. Watch what that does to your fucking economy. Anyways, bri the NGLCC also reports that there are nearly 1000 certified LGBT business ah enterprise suppliers.
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These LGBT be suppliers so alone have created over 33,000 jobs in the Over one third of Fortune 500 companies recognize the certification and partner with NGLCC to create fully LGBT inclusive supply chains, said NLGCC co-founder and president Justin Nelson in a past interview.
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At NGLCC, we recognize that a growing business not only needs a strong local network where business owners live and work, but including our more including more than affiliate chambers, but also business certification and access to all the strategic growth opportunities offered by our national organization.
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The potential for LGBT-owned businesses is even more promising because they are relatively young. A 2021 study by Movement Advancement Project, also one of my favorite groups possible, they're they're so, so good, ah found that 64% of LGBTQ-owned businesses were younger than 10 years old compared to 47% of non-LGBT businesses.
00:16:42
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These businesses also tend to be smaller with about 62% reporting having only one to four employees. Exactly. LGBT small businesses are also more likely to be women-owned and immigrant-owned compared to non-LGBT businesses.
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More LGBTI-owned firms were also majority-owned by women and majority-owned by immigrants. The largest share of LGBT businesses are in the South, believe it or not, at 31%.
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And LGBT businesses were also roughly equally likely as non-LGBT businesses to operate in rural areas. I love reading that. Their owners drive economic development, create jobs, and build stronger communities, all despite the latent and often outright hostile discrimination they continue to endure on account of their sexual orientation or gender identity, said Nelson.
00:17:35
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LGBT business owners are working in every major industry, including those regularly sought by federal procurement officials. Now, this is before Trump, right? The Biden-Harris administration has been particularly focused on this effort, as the Small Business Administration has made tremendous resources available to LGBT-owned businesses, including the eight business development program and partnerships with LGBT chambers of commerce across the country.
00:18:00
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Now, of course, reading this in 2025, you can guarantee... all of that is gone. But to move down, but just to move down to get to kind of the end of this article, um and i think it's it's it's just ah a nice way to to give it a coda.
00:18:13
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Pride Month is a time to celebrate the contributions of LGBT businesses. However, it is critical that LGBT business owners know about the opportunities and programs that exist to help their ventures to start, grow, and thrive.
00:18:25
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And they can find out more about that at nglcc.org. but Look, the the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce is not controlled by the government, of course. So if you are out there and you're an LGBT person and you own a business, you should really, really check that out.
00:18:40
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um I'm actually thinking of becoming a member myself as as a business leader because i think it's really important and the work that they do continues today. But I love this article, just ah just to recap it, because it shows what those businesses actually contribute.
00:18:54
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And it also talks about what we as LGBT people contribute. And it is huge. It's absolutely huge. The economy as it is would not be as successful as it is without us.
00:19:07
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Think about that. And if you have people in power right now, who are just claiming to be so business focused, they're so focused on money, they're so focused on being fiscally responsible.
00:19:18
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Is this really fiscally responsible? to To act like LGBT people are garbage? To tell transgender people that they're not allowed to do this or do that? to tell you know to To threaten equal marriage? No, that's responsible for your economy?
00:19:32
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See, that's the reality, is that when it comes down to it, an American value, or just really a human value, is equity and equality. It's not a liberal value. It's not a conservative value.
00:19:44
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It's a human value. And when you come down to it, it actually deeply becomes a conservative value to welcome people because welcoming people like us means that your economy will be better.
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That's an important
Core Values: Equity & Equality
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thing. Why wouldn't you want to do that? And so it's just, it's amazing to me that in the year of our Lord, 2025, we still have to fight these battles when we know all the good things that we do and they know it too, which just tells you that at the end of the day, it's not about what they say it's about.
00:20:16
Speaker
It's all about power. It's all about power. And they don't want us to have it because all they can think about is me having sex with a man. And I mean that.
00:20:27
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That's what's in their brain. It grosses them out. And they don't want to have people like you, Andrew, or me in power. That's all that it is at the end of the day. ah To think about, ah you know, we'll talk about the popular DEI, like everyone fucking knows what that is now and they have no fucking idea. They have no idea what it is. When when you really look at our tax, when you really look at our tax system, that is equity.
00:20:52
Speaker
tax of The tax system is equity because when you look at how the tax system is broken down, oh, you're married, so you have two people paying in? Okay, we're going to give you a break. Oh, you have a kid? Okay, we're going to give you a break. That's equity, people. like What are you fucking talking about? like Think about it for two seconds.
00:21:09
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Think about it in your brain for two seconds. oh It's not just about... like lifting up this poor person and from poverty and giving them a job. It's, it's literally looking at the world and saying, Hey, maybe we should, you know, try to make things a little more fair.
00:21:27
Speaker
And like that. Sure. But I mean, but but also here's the thing. DEI as somebody who's also a DEI leader at work, because I was the co-lead for our LGBT CRG at work for for three years, and now I'm back on the committee now, so I am a DEI leader.
DEI in Business
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I can tell you that there are plenty of statistics, and not from liberal think tanks, right? This is like from like McKinsey. This is like from consulting firms. And these consulting firms very clearly demonstrate with real data and real proof that That if you have a DEI program or if you not if if you don't have a program, you just you at least use DEI principles in how you hire and in how you do your work, that you will have a more productive and more impactful business.
00:22:12
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That is business facts, motherfucker. You cannot deny it. It's right there. At the end of the day, what the DEI stuff is right now All it is, is that they just want to be racist without saying they're racist.
00:22:28
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That's what it is. When they say DEI, what they really mean is black. That's what they mean. they They mean black. They mean faggot. They mean this. They mean that. That's what they're actually saying.
00:22:40
Speaker
They just know that they can't say that word. That's right. So they just say DEI instead. Yeah, I saw an interesting video the other day um and they equated it to like people saying, I'm not racist. I don't use those words. Exactly. Right. That's that's but that's it. Like that's as far as they go. Yeah.
00:23:00
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yeah And and they'll they'll try to equivocate and and go and go around it whenever way they can. But we know what they're doing. And it's and it's ah it's a goddamn shame, but it's where we are. Listen, I work in marketing. I know how this works. You get this.
00:23:11
Speaker
but All right. Well, I have kind of an interesting article. ah Be in mind, it's from about nine years ago. So whatever some of it some of it may not resonate as much anymore. Mm-hmm.
00:23:24
Speaker
Um, but I wanted to go through this article because i thought it was interesting. It's called an American horror story, seven big economic lies. wo Um, this is from Forbes. Also the, the article, this, is the structure of this article is kind of funny because it's by John F. Wasik, but he's summarizing a book by Jeff Madrick. So just love table for us for what I'll tell you what, Forbes has been good to this podcast, baby, because seriously we've had plenty of articles from Forbes.
00:23:53
Speaker
Listen, we always cite our sources. Amen, we do. Amen. All right. So I'm going to go through these seven economic lies, and I'll stop at the end of each one to see if we kind of agree, disagree, kind of just how we think about it.
00:24:05
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Does that make sense? Yep, absolutely. all right. So the first one is longstanding one called the invisible hand. um Referring to the one phrase in Adam Smith's classic Wealth of Nations public and published in 1776, this metaphor basically said that the market and everyone's self-interest has a hand in every economic decision.
00:24:28
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We know from the extensive research in behavioral economics that people frequently do dumb things with money and the market is often wrong. Just look at real estate speculation prior to 2008 or the millions who buy and sell stocks at the wrong time.
00:24:42
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The market is not all-knowing and is certainly not moving everyone's best interest. i totally agree with this statement. I think that this invisible hand thing was... It's so long ago that it just doesn't work in our modern day society. Sure. I mean, look, at Adam Smith, when he wrote Wealth of Nations, think about what think about what he was coming from, right?
00:25:05
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The only economies that the world knew then were monarchies. That's it. Yeah. yeah So like there there was no concept of like a democratic government where an economy can flourish in a free market because everything before that was completely based on and on an aristocracy.
00:25:23
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So like, yeah, it's completely new. And and he was thinking of new ways. that And like, look, i I don't think that Adam Smith is entirely wrong when it comes to economic thought. I really don't. I think there's lots lots of things that Adam Smith said that are but that are indeed true even today.
00:25:37
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I just think that like also some of it's not because it was written in 1776 for God's So like if if you if if you are um ah Smithian or whatever they call themselves, like you you would need to take on new data and economics. Like, come on.
00:25:53
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Yeah, for sure. All right. The next lie is that Say's Law and Austerity Economics. So this is the bedrock of the ongoing obsession with budget deficits.
00:26:05
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When money is cheap and unemployment high, we should be spending on social capital and infrastructure to create jobs and get money flowing throughout the economy and an economy not cutting back. Just look at Europe right now. Keep in mind, this is 2015. It's teetering on recession after cutting back on everything. Austerity economics doesn't work.
00:26:25
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It makes things worse. Keynes was right about this. Deficit obsessed economics economists are wrong. i I totally agree with this. I think that people that are obsessed with the deficit are weirdos.
00:26:41
Speaker
Yes. The deficit will be here longer than any of us. So stop fucking obsessing over it. Yeah. Control it. Look, ah ah austerity austerity does does not work.
00:26:55
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um It did not work in England um ah under under Thatcher. um It's not working in England now in in in some ways, although otherlthough they're kind of trying to do it again.
00:27:06
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And it's not going to work in America. I mean, basically what what Donald Trump is trying to do right now is force the country into into austerity. And it's not going to work. And Americans don't and like – I don't think most Americans really understand what austerity would would would feel like in their lives.
00:27:25
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Not at all. And so like when it really, like i honestly, i I hope that that austerity does become the norm in America because that might that might be the thing that actually shifts people in the right direction.
00:27:38
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but When they really start to feel that impact in in their in their real lives, that their supports are gone, that they are not able to spend nearly as much money as they used to, they're not making as much money as they used to, that that they are they are going to really feel that the that the the the razor's edge that they already live on is even thinner, if you could possibly imagine that.
00:28:00
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That might be the thing that makes them afraid enough or angry enough to finally go, you know what? This is bullshit. MAGA is bullshit. I was wrong. I can't believe I ever believed this.
00:28:13
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Honestly, that might be the only way. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. All right. The next lie is that government's limited social role. Shrinking government has been a conservative mantra for nearly 40 years, largely the brainchild of economic. I can't say economists. I wont always want to see economy. I get it.
00:28:31
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Like Frederick Hayek, Milton Friedman and countless Tea Partiers. But government's role in promoting positive social ends is ignored and ridiculed in the hokum. How do you get roads fixed?
00:28:43
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Your mail delivered or your school's functioning? What keeps planes from hitting each other? where do other tech Where do major technical... Keep in mind, this is 2015. They already predicted Exactly, right. Where do major technical innovations like the internet or wonder drugs come from? Exactly. This is like a prophecy right here. I know.
00:29:03
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This money flows back into the economy and provides social benefits. What should be cut from government are socially unproductive projects such as weapons and defense contracting. Bingo. This is everything to me. like i i Listen, i work in a sector of healthcare, and I can't tell you how much we talk about how we can explain clinical trials to people in a way that they will understand it Like they don't understand that like literally every drug that they take from Prilosec for their heartburn to Advil for their headache to birth control to everything was a clinical trial that had to be discovered, studied, ah paid for, and then ah then then approved for use.
00:29:49
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and and so like And paid for to the tune of billions of dollars. Billions. But it's just like people don't understand that like – The government is not just throwing money everywhere. Like it it's literally like these that are why these government structures are put into place is to help control, not not only control these things, but also fund them so that we can have them.
00:30:12
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Like it's, it's so, it's so ridiculous. And what what's so funny about it? Listen, Longtime listeners know that know that i am a Sanders ah leftist, right?
00:30:23
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And that's not saying much in Europe, right? In Europe, it in in Ireland, I am like a center person, believe it or not. And Joe Biden, if you were to put this on, not even think about Ireland, think about like Europe.
00:30:36
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If you were to put Joe Biden on like a left to right scale, right? Without a doubt, Joe Biden would be center right for sure. Like you have to fucking lootly.
00:30:47
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Bernie Sanders would actually be just to the left of him. And I mean, like by a centimeter. Right. So like it's funny in America that that people think that like the these ideas are so socialist, like everything that Bernie Sanders was saying was just wild and crazy and insane.
00:31:05
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It's not. It's absolutely normal. It's what literally every other country does, except for America, every other farm country. and And he got blasted for it. Like he was some fucking like communist.
00:31:16
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It's not the truth. The reality is that people can flourish when the government helps them do it.
Government's Role in Economic Growth
00:31:23
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And to pretend like everyone can just bootstrap it is fucking, it's it's it's honestly fucking insane.
00:31:29
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It is insane to think that Everyone is just magically going to be without training, without education. They're just going to somehow bootstrap, be a business owner and like go out in the wilderness and hack it on their own.
00:31:43
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Like that is not how it works. That's not how the world works today. So like, yeah, the government is there to help people and it works what when the government does help people.
00:31:55
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It goes right back into the economy. So if you help people, if you help them take care of some of the basic needs in their lives, like healthcare, care for example, do you think that they're not going to spend the money that they save on healthcare in another way?
00:32:08
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You think they're not going to go on vacation? with it or finally buy that car that they've been wanting to buy or exactly have enough money to to buy a house finally or like you know send their kids like a a good a good preschool or something that's exactly what people would do with that money what do you think they're going to do with it fucking eat it like what do you fucking think they're going to give the money to the businesses that you assholes run they're going to give you the fucking money so why do you pretend like that shouldn't happen it is so fucked up so fucked up drives me fucking insane
00:32:41
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Yeah, I i don't – I just feel like everyone is just so reactionary to whatever people are spouting on the news, and they don't have the capacity to ever think for themselves. Like, it's – No, what what I think is that people are dumb.
00:32:56
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i do believe i do i think that. I think that people love to have a fucking opinion without actually doing any reading, without doing any of the work behind him Without like thinking that knowledge is cool.
00:33:08
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And so because they think knowledge is dumb, because they think that actual learning is like for chodes, they instead just fucking make it up. They fucking make it up. And it's so fucking ridiculous because it's harmful.
00:33:21
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And you know who it's really harmful to? Themselves. It's harmful to themselves. Well, and like not not that like, not that we're not doing the same thing, but like there are so many platforms out there to get those bad ideas into the ether now too. so like you and and that And that's just the thing. i was i was listening to a different podcast today. And and not not not to cut off your article, Andrew, I promise, but like just an interesting point about that is like when it comes to propaganda,
00:33:46
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We're we're finding more and or but finding more and more that fact checking doesn't really work because people don't care. Yeah, they they don't care. And they're not aware of their own bias, their own confirmation bias.
00:33:59
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They want to believe what they want to believe because it makes them feel good. And so because of that confirmation bias, it's nearly impossible to tear them away from it. Even if you say, look, two plus two equals four. Let me show you.
00:34:13
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They will still go. No, it's six, dude. It's six. but a That makes me feel really good. Right. Exactly. So like it's it is terrifying to think of how we can't, especially when it comes to the economy, which is so important that we that we don't really have a lot of ways to battle this. It really freaks me out.
00:34:30
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Yeah. right. The next lie is low inflation is all that matters. There's nothing wrong with a reasonable but um amount of inflation. It increases corporate profits, raises wages and creates economic growth.
00:34:43
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But constantly hammering down on inflation is dangerous. Deflation is much more ominous problem than inflation. When everything loses value, wages drop and jobs are lost.
00:34:55
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Just look at what happened during the Great Recession and the Great Depression. Most economists are fighting the wrong enemy. And this just goes back to a couple of lies ago that we talked about is just like, you guys, you got to stop. You got to stop with the deficit and the inflation stuff. Completely. not That's not the driver of what is going to like country.
00:35:17
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Countries are not businesses. Right. They're not businesses. they they are They are basically social welfare agencies. That's what they are. There's always going to be a deficit. Every country has one.
00:35:29
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Get over it. Get over it. And Elon Musk is not an economist, so don't listen to him. the Next lie is there are no speculative bubbles.
00:35:40
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This is a whopper. Not only are there bubbles, but most economists either can't predict them and will deny that they ever exist, even when they're in the middle of one.
00:35:51
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Human nature creates bubbles because of surges in greed and credit. The market does not overprice assets from time to time to deny this happens to deny reality. And I think this goes back to what we were just talking about of just like people only living in their own reality. and Right. Exactly.
00:36:08
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Understanding the, uh, the, the higher level of what's really going on. It's only what's going on in your own pocketbook. If you don't think that there's bubbles,
00:36:19
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where were you in 2008? Like, right were you not alive when the housing bubble crashed? And if you don't believe in bubbles, get ready for the student debt bubble that is about to come because now of Trump getting rid of all the student loan ah ah relief
Market Speculative Bubbles
00:36:37
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packages. Get ready for that one to hit because that's coming very soon.
00:36:40
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Over in Europe, I'm waiting for the housing bubble to crash over here because it's going to and it's going to be really bad. I mean, like bubbles are real and it like the 2008, 2008 was a scary time, man. i remember I i wasn't that far ah far that far out of college. I don't think that you were either.
00:36:56
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and And like, we were basically new in the job market. Then there was nothing. That was the year I graduated. Yeah. I mean, there, there was nothing out there. And if you got a good job, you were very lucky.
00:37:07
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And like, I look back on, on, on my, those formative years for me and during that particular bubble, i I know that like some of some of the the economic problems that I had later on were from that.
00:37:22
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There was no way that I had a chance to save anything. like like like most of my Like most of our friends didn't have a chance to save anything because most of us weren't getting paid enough. So we were getting paid just enough to live, but not enough to save.
00:37:35
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And so we have a generation, our particular generation, where most of us do not have savings. Like some people have nothing. They have literally zero savings, which is terrifying. So like and they they are real and they are lasting. It's not just like 2008 and then it's done. No, the effects of 2008, the bubble, today.
00:37:55
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they are still very present today Yeah, I can tell you in 2008, when I graduated college, for the next two years, I worked three jobs. yeah i was a I was a server at night.
00:38:06
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Then I went to my third shift job at a coffee shop. And then I went to my other job on Mondays, Fridays, and Saturdays at a wine at ah at a wine shop. And i worked almost I worked six days a week, sometimes seven.
00:38:20
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and i was and I was happy. Keep in mind, i was happy if I had $1,000 in my account. Oh, my God. So go just keep that in mind. Oh, my God.
00:38:31
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Andrew, you're so lazy. i know. Seriously. all All of us liberals just don't want to work. You know you you never want to work. you know You don't want to do anything. Yeah. Our next lie is globalization.
00:38:43
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baby There are clear winners and losers in globalization for the countries that lose the most globalization saps jobs and economic growth out of an any out of any number of industries.
00:38:55
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The rallying cry for free trade is best for everyone is a monstrous lie. It's good for multinational corporations who can straddle borders and shift their money anywhere.
00:39:05
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But how about those trades who get hammered? Those workers who formerly employed in textiles, furniture, toys and hundreds of other industries can tell you how globalization worked for them.
00:39:17
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Yeah, so I i have ah have a particular opinion about this as somebody who works for a multinational, right, in another country. So globalization works for me, right? um Globalization does not work for everybody. Completely concede that.
00:39:31
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The only thing that I would say here, though, is this. The globalization that doesn't work for a lot of people, like and they mention here textiles, furniture, toys, blah, whatever. And look, what what we're talking about there are sweatshops, right? yeah That isn't necessarily globalization's fault, like like the the the idea, the concept of globalization. Right. mean, that's greed. that Exactly. That's that is that's that's greed.
00:39:52
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And like honestly, if i'm if I'm being real serious about it, that's just like pure human evil. And I really do mean that. Because yeah that is people going, you know what? It is okay for me to run a factory where people are unsafe, where I'm paying them nothing, and I'm going to make a billion bucks off of it. I love doing this. Here I am.
00:40:11
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You don't have to do like that. that's ah Globalization is not saying, ah, yes, you must run an evil factory. That's not it. So I agree with this too up to a point because I i understand it and I i agree with them.
00:40:25
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But like also, you have to take that factor into account here, I think. Yeah, I think like what this article is maybe not surmising is um human human brain, like human thinking. like it it's and it's not kind of accounting for capitalism and how that plays into the human psyche and like how that makes people just want more and more and more. And when they get more, they feel better.
00:40:53
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And so they just keep doing shittier, shittier and shittier things to be feeling better about themselves. Yeah. So um and then the finally, the last lie is that economics is a science.
00:41:05
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At best, economics is a detailed description of human behavior with money and resources. but where we But where are the formulas that predict a booms and busts? What's the eat Yeah.
00:41:15
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equals mc c squared for economic growth why are wrong theories about cutting taxes trickled on economies and ah other horius myths still being sold without an ounce of convincing science behind them because they sound good and people desperately want to believe them that's not science it's wishful thinking this is interesting because you know we teach economics people major in it yeah and and like i i kind of never thought about this in this way is that there are no real formulas there are no like scientific facts behind the economy it's kind of fuck around and figure it out like you know what i mean it's it's it's interesting i'm sort of half and half on this one too like i i get i get what they're saying but at the same time like i i will take you back to to the big short right
00:42:06
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and And in the big short, i forget the guy's name right now, but Dr. Michael something, whoever whoever the guy is that that did predict the housing crash. You know, he was using, you know, bits of science in order to like actually come to that conclusion.
00:42:21
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and And, you know, i think... I don't think that economics is like a scientist-y kind of science. I think it's more like like a sociological kind of science. And yeah sociology is a science. it's it's you know That's something that that can be studied and and we can you know observe you know patterns of behavior. and and and And they say it here, patterns of of human behavior usually end up with this kind of result.
00:42:43
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And you like it's it's like one of the one of the things that gets talked about in that and that film too is like when they're, um what is it? When X, i like when X number of people get laid off or when X number of people um lose their homes, ah it it it it like it always has like this sort of increase in the suicide rate, right?
00:43:03
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And so like, you know that's that's a really scary thing to think about. It's a terrible thing to think about. It's morbid thing to think about. But like, you know, that that's going to be true. If this happens, generally human behavior is such, and we've observed it over and over and over again, that this will happen.
00:43:18
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And so like part of that is scientific because, you know, you're, you're, you're able to, to make observations and to test a hypothesis against those observations. And generally they they're going to be right.
00:43:31
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However, ah what he's saying here, or what they are saying here about trickle down economics, that's just faulty bullshit. Like that, those are lies. that's not That's not people being scientific, they're lying to you because there is there's no basis for trickle down economics, nothing at all.
00:43:47
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But there are scientific basis for other things, you know, right? Like like like I just said there, you know, maybe instead of doing this because we know it has a really terrible effect on people so much so that that they might commit suicide from it, maybe we shouldn't do that. You know what I mean? like Maybe we should do it a different way.
00:44:03
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Maybe it means we should think about how we're doing this. So I think, they once again, I'm kind of half and half with that. Well, yeah. And I think i I understand where I totally understand where you're coming from. But the thing that I will but that I will prose against it is that will people listen?
00:44:18
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Like, no, it's like, no, it's the thing. Like, you can you can you can shout from the rooftops all you want about like, hey, we've seen this in the past and this is going to happen. But unless people actually like take it in and think about it and listen to it, it doesn't matter. I get it. But I mean, that's the thing with everything now. It's like, yeah, I listen to whatever they want to listen to.
00:44:38
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And if you repeated enough times, they believe it. It's it's exactly. and but and And it comes back to that confirmation bias once again. what I'm going to believe what makes me feel good.
00:44:49
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And if something challenges my own belief system, then that might you know make me feel uncomfortable. Maybe I won't believe maybe maybe i i just I can't go into that territory. So I think you're right.
00:45:00
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You know, it's just people are going to do what they're going to do right now. and And that is pretty scary. But look, look, you know, if if you are the kind of person who thinks all of the economy is boring, it's never going to affect me.
Personal Finance Advice
00:45:10
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Well, you're wrong.
00:45:11
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um And I think especially with the times that we are living in now and the times that are ahead, it's something that you should really be thinking about. And like, look, for all of our listeners out there, you know, we always like like like to have a little more, you know, moment at the end of this.
00:45:24
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um Like if you're if you are a person who. um hasn't saved anything. Look, I want you to know that like it's not you're not you're not a bad person, number one.
00:45:37
Speaker
And number two, like you're not like it's not hopeless. You can start by saving anything, like literally anything. But I would really, really caution people right now. Like, please start, please start doing it now.
00:45:51
Speaker
And, and really start thinking about your own little mini economy of you and your friends and your family. Like, how are you going to take care of yourself when things really hit the fan? Because my dudes, it's about to hit the fan very, very soon.
00:46:04
Speaker
So think about it, protect yourself, protect your people. All right. I think that will do it for horror in real life. We'll take a quick break and be right back with what you've been watching, bitch.
00:46:19
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Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go the lobby to get ourselves a treat.
00:46:31
Speaker
And we're back with Whatcha Been Watching, Bitch. Whatcha Been Watching, you spending bitch. And this is the segment of the show where we talk about what we've been
Movie Recommendations
00:46:40
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watching. So, Andrew, tell me, what's the first thing that you've been watching?
00:46:44
Speaker
So, the first one is one that I knew about and then kind of forgot. And then it showed up on Netflix. And so I was like, oh, yeah, this movie. i want to watch this. It's called suber Subservience. ah This stars Megan Fox as she plays kind of...
00:46:59
Speaker
Grown up Megan, if you will. um She is a robot that a family. So basically a bit the the premise is a family is going through a hard time. Their um mother is in the hospital waiting for a heart transplant.
00:47:17
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And so they take on a robot to help with like tasks like childcare, cooking, cleaning, dah, dah, dah, in the near future. Everything kind of looks like our world, but just like a little bit more advanced, if that makes any sense. Sure.
00:47:32
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um And of course, what happens? But there's something that happens that makes her a little bit more ah than just a you know ah not thinking robot.
00:47:45
Speaker
And what happens when that happens? You kind of know. But um this is an interesting watch. um It's not going to be for everybody just because... and There's this weird thing against Megan Fox now. I don't know what happened and I don't know why people are like against Megan Fox. I think she's a fine actress. and like like I don't think everyone's going to like this movie, but I liked it.
00:48:07
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the The thing is that it came out after Megan. So there's going to be comparisons to that if no matter what. And so it's it's kind of a thing. And now with Megan 2.0 coming out in June, I think um this movie might get lost in kind of the Netflix you know algorithm or whatever.
00:48:25
Speaker
But if you liked Megan or if you like kind of Black Mirror-esque type of... I love all that shit. frankly Like type of movies. I would definitely check this out. It's a different way of thinking about it just because it involves adult themes like sex and like things like that. So, you know, what happens when you are adult, have an adulteress robot that's out there um but yeah interesting watch i found it pretty impactful um and it's also pretty fun so if you're looking for that kind of a movie i would definitely check out subservience into it okay folks my first one is called john and the hole no this is not a porn um have you have you heard of this one
00:49:10
Speaker
no not not at all okay so john in the hole uh i'm just gonna read you the letterbox blurb while exploring the neighboring woods 13 year old john discovers an unfinished bunker a deep hole in the ground seemingly without provocation he drugs his affluent parents and older sister and drags their unconscious bodies into the bunker where he holds them captive As they anxiously wait for John to free them from the hole, the boy returns home where he can finally do what he wants.
00:49:42
Speaker
Okay, so I had never heard of this fucking movie before. And it was just, ran I was one of those nights, you're just looking for what the fuck am I going to watch? I saw the like the the poster for it. And i was like yeah, that looks kind of interesting. And that's a very weird name. I'll watch it.
00:49:56
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So I got to tell you, I didn't look at any reviews or anything else. This motherfucker scared the fuck out of me. oh no I was, and like, obviously you and I watch a lot of fucked up shit, Andrew.
00:50:07
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This, it really, really scared me. It really freaked me out because just like it said there, seemingly without provocation, he drugs his affluent parents, blah, blah, blah, drags them into the bunker.
00:50:20
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That's exactly what happens. And so like you're watching this 13 year old who's like a cute kid and this and that, whatever. He's a little bit weird, but like, you know, kids can be weird. I was a weird kid. You know what i mean? and just that the The storyline with the idea that this could happen really fucking freaked me out just like really really like i i was i was trembling watching this movie i'm not i'm really not joking i but it was hard to sleep after watching this so i'll just leave it there you you know what it's about michael c hall is in the movie jennifer ely's in the movie uh uh tasa tasa farmiga how do you say her first name is it tessa think you said it right yeah tasa yeah so tasa farmiga is and i love i love the farming is in general but i love her
00:51:04
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And Charlie shot well as a kid who plays John. um I highly recommend it. Now this is definitely for, I did look at reviews after this is definitely a, I, you either hate it or you love it kind of movie. That's that I can tell that right, right, you know, right now I loved it.
00:51:20
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a lot of people out there hated it. They really hated it. I will say the only thing about this movie that maybe I wasn't so huge on was the ending, like, like the very end of it.
00:51:31
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I'm not going to tell you what it was for me. I was kind of like, it's not exactly what I was hoping for here with the end. It doesn't really leave me very satisfied, but like the rest of the movie more than made up for it for me. So if you're looking for one that might really freak you out psychologically, this is one that you might want to check out.
00:51:49
Speaker
Yeah, I'll definitely check this out. It sounds interesting. Oh, you know, I'll be interested to see if this is one that you like or not. I think that you will like it. I'm pretty sure you will, but it'll be interesting to see. All right.
TV & Social Media Reviews
00:52:00
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My next one is Yellow Jackets season three.
00:52:03
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ah Keep in mind, I'm about four episodes in. So I think I'm two. I think I'm two behind if I if I'm counting correctly. um This is the ongoing Yellow Jackets.
00:52:14
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And that's what I'm going to say. It's ongoing. Yeah. And I'm starting to get a little tired. Yeah. um I still like the show. I'm still interested in like proceeding through like where we're going, but I need them to like start on the decline.
00:52:32
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Like I need them to start like figuring shit out and like actually saying what's going on because there's a way we're in season three people. You are not guaranteed anything like beyond this.
00:52:45
Speaker
So we got to make sure that it's a satisfying thing for people And I feel like they're just they're just writing this like, oh, it's kind of like how what lost did like where they did went on way too long that they didn't quite know what they were doing until they were like, OK, we got to wrap it up. Now we're going to tie a bow on it.
00:53:05
Speaker
And that's what destroyed that show for most people. yeah And so i'm just I'm just hoping that the showrunners have some ideas on if we need to to you know wrap this up, like what are we going to do? yeah Because the way that TV is going these days, you are really, really not guaranteed that next season. Yeah. so I don't know. I'm still up in the air. Like I said, I'm only about halfway through the season. So I'm hoping that it has some satisfying conclusions. But like I'm getting a little bit sick of bratty girls in the woods and then yeah didn't and then didn't learn anything adults in the future. like I don't know. well and It's starting to get to me. I don't know.
00:53:46
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I just, I don't think that any TV show needs more than three seasons now. I just, yeah I don't. and i think And I think that because there are so many great TV shows that have done it in three seasons.
00:53:57
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If you can't do that, you have a problem with your writing. I don't know what else to say. It's just the truth. I'm going to keep going. But if it if I don't get a lot of satisfying answers in this season, I don't know if I'm coming back for a four.
00:54:11
Speaker
Yeah, good for you. Good for you. So... My next one is one that people are talking about all over the place. It is called adolescence. It is on Netflix. I've seen a lot of chatter about this lately. Yeah, this one. It's it's it is really good. It it is worth the chatter.
00:54:25
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um It's it's very, very well done. This is a mini series. It's on Netflix. I think it was three episodes. Might have been four. I can't quite recall now. It was three or four.
00:54:35
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Anyways, um I watched it all in one sitting, which I would suggest you do. And um this is a this is a scary little story, man. it's about you know It's about social media and kids and yeah you know the the kids growing up way too fast.
00:54:51
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and and And the way that that everything in this in this new world, this new way to grow up, how everything is really not in their favor of growing up normally. and And I put normal in quotes, but like, I just mean like, you know, not hurting themselves and other people.
00:55:10
Speaker
And um I walked away from watching this show thinking, man, if I ever do have kids, which I probably won't, but if I ever do, they will never be on social media fucking ever. Like literally fucking ever. Well, I let them on social media.
00:55:23
Speaker
And if they're, when they're 18, you can do whatever you want. But in in the meantime, fuck, no, you're not going to fucking do it. And, um, this is the story of about, ah well, it's about a family. It's it's about a family in England.
00:55:37
Speaker
um And it's, you know it's a mom and a dad and a and a son and a daughter. And the, the show begins with, with the police, you know, breaking down the door of this house and, and looking for, ah you know, they're looking for this person. You don't know who it is.
00:55:53
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And then they, you know, the family's freaking out, of course. And then they rush upstairs and they bust down the bedroom door of this 13 year old boy. who's you know in his bed wearing pajamas and you know there's like you know wallpaper with like planets on it and you know you know normal teenage boys stuff up on the walls and they say, we're arresting you for murder.
00:56:13
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And he murders his classmate, um this girl. And I'm not going to go too far into because you know there's stuff that you need to figure out when you watch this. So I didn't give anything away, I promise. um And you know the letterbox here thing I think is actually really good too.
00:56:27
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um A child accused everyone left to answer. When a 13-year-old is accused of the murder of of a classmate, his family, therapist, and the detective and in charge are all left asking what really happened.
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And um it's it's really good. It's particularly good for a few reasons. um Owen Cooper, who is the kid that plays the kid, um who I think Owen Cooper is 15 years old, I'm pretty sure. He plays this kid named Jamie.
00:56:51
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This is the first thing he's ever done. done He's never done anything else before. And this kid is good. Like, like he's, he is scary good on camera.
00:57:03
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So if he never does anything else, I really don't know how he tops this. I'll be honest with you. He's fucking great in this. And it literally the first thing he's ever done before, which is just talk about a lucky break. Oh my God. it's It's insane. And then Steven Graham, who you you like that name might not bring his face to your head.
00:57:19
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um But Steven Graham has been in lot of shit. He was been in snatch gangs of New York, the Irishman boiling point, um i go on and on and on Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy, Public Enemies, is Greyhound, to so many fucking movies. When you see him, you definitely know who he is.
00:57:35
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He plays the dad and he is, I'm almost going to start crying and thinking about it. He's so good. ah you, you, you can't believe, you can't believe how good he is as, as a dad. He's just, he's so good. I am going to cry thinking about it.
00:57:48
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He is marvelous in this movie. It's the best thing he's ever done before. um And then the mom is really good, who I think is played by Christine Tremarco. The therapist is absolutely out of this world good. She's so, so good.
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The main detective is wonderful. I could go on and on and on, right? Everybody in in this show is so good. So there is a lot of hype about it. People are talking about it all over the place. It lives up to the hype, truly. um So like I said, if you if you get a chance, you should definitely watch it you know all in one sitting.
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um And then, you know i don't know, pray or something after you watch it. probably post about it on social media right exactly yeah um all right my next one is the parenting on max um this is a horror comedy that premiered on max last weekend oh um it's got a lot of people in it lisa kudrow parker posey i could i could go on and on Um, but it's about a gay couple that has rented a um, an Airbnb of ah ah um um a, a, a mansion, um, like in the country and they're bringing their two families together for the first time to meet like, a while like each of the couple is meeting their fam.
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their respective families, but the families are also meeting. sure And what they don't know is the house has an evil past. And that maybe something's coming for all of them.
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um Listen, this is like this style of comedy is like one notch above like a scary movie type of movie. Like, yeah, sure. it's It's not quite slapstick, but it's like right there. Like it's like riding the line.
00:59:29
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Like there's a lot of like, ah dick and butt jokes like but like played like funny like not like insulting um i don't know this one was pretty entertaining it's it's not gonna be for everybody but like like i don't know about you but like i really do appreciate like a horror comedy i think they're yeah sure it's like a good soft spot for me because i still get my horror but it's my it's my two favorite genres it's horror and i get comedy right so like um i give it a lot of breaks and listen I know but i put this on social media, like on our social media about Parker Posey and White Lotus and everyone being like Parker Posey, Parker Posey.
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We've been obsessed Parker Posey for 30 years. So yeah yeah y'all y'all are late to the game, baby. We we've loved it for a long time. And so like, uh, just to see her again, like kind of getting another role where she can just play kooky, like she plays like the kooky caretaker of the house. And so, um, this one was fun. i listen, you're either going to love it or you're going hate it You just have to check it out. It's the parenting on max.
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I love it. Uh, this next one is a real feel good movie.
Theater & Rehabilitation
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It's called sing sing. Um, it is no, I really mean that like this is, it's about a prison sing sing. Um, but it is about, ah a theater program within the prison.
01:00:42
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And this is this is one that's that's really important to me because when I was in college, I did a little bit of theater in prisons and it was incredibly meaningful. um one of my One of my best friends, Emmy, who's a professor of theater now out and out in Washington State,
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um She has done a lot of work in prisons. And also there's a play that I was in called Our Country's Good, which is all about prisoners doing a play. um i studied theater. I believe in the transformative power of theater for people that that that practice it and people that see it.
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And I think it's it's it's really it's really important in a world that doesn't want to be patient and think about things, that theater still exists. um There are a lot of different programs for theater in prisons that have done a lot of good.
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And, um you know, they help people who are in the worst moments of their lives and who are going through rehabilitation programs and and who are indeed paying for their crimes.
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It helps them really learn more about who they are as humans. And it helps them understand remorse and understand, you know, how to live a better life and to, you know, use role play as a way to understand things about themselves that maybe they they never could before.
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And so, yeah. This is a movie all about that. And there is this guy in Sing Sing. His name is Divine G. And he's been at Sing Sing for a long time for a crime that he didn't commit.
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And he, the end this is this is just from Letterboxd, he finds purpose by acting in a theater group alongside other incarcerated men in the story of resilience, humanity, and the transformative power of art.
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And Divine G is played by Coleman Domingo, who is just so good in this role. He's absolutely he's he's wonderful in this role. So, so good. And this really is a feel good movie. it It takes you through it. You know, there there are definitely dark parts. There are parts that are hard to watch.
01:02:35
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um But at the end of this, it's really redemptive. So if you want to watch something that just makes you feel good, honestly, this is one of them. um I really enjoyed it. It was up for the Oscars this year. And I i think, you know, gladly so.
01:02:48
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um And I really, i really loved it. I had a great time watching this. I did. Awesome. um My last one is my favorite one. yeah it is hard eyes um I rented this because it was in and out of theaters like in a flash like sure I the the pocket for being able to go to the theater is so short now like and i don't even know like how people do it but like um so i rented this uh and i'm so glad that i did i'm so glad that i gave it some money um this is hard eyes um this is just came out right around uh um valentine's day obviously uh it's directed by josh rubin which i don't know did you watch that movie scare me on shutter it came out like a couple years ago was about two people in a cab two people in a cabin like sharing scary stories i don't think i remember
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It was honestly one of my favorite of the shutter originals and yeah um Josh Rubin was in it. He's directing now and he directed this and then um the people that wrote it were Philip Murphy, Christopher Landon and Michael way Christopher Landon who wrote and directed. um Happy Death Day and Happy Death Day to you and many other things.
01:04:01
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Who's just got, he's got the right sensibility. Like, ah right remember when I talked about Paul Tremblay and like how he writes books the way I want to read them? yeah Christopher Landon writes movies the way I want to watch them.
01:04:15
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And so like. Makes sense. i i i I didn't know that they were involved in this movie, to be completely honest. I kind of went in a little bit blind. I just saw that there was a Valentine's Day horror comedy and I really wanted to watch it. And so like I wasn't i wouldn't I don't know what I was expecting.
01:04:28
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um And I saw that Mason Gooding was in it and from from the Scream series. And so I was like, no I'll give this a chance. And listen, this movie is great. It's it balances the um horror and gore with like this.
01:04:42
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It's funny because they try to weave in like all these romantic comedy, like ah tropes into a horror movie, which I think is really funny in some way. Like, i don't know when I think about horror movies, I never think about like the like really romantic comedy sort of like genre.
01:04:59
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And so to weave that into like a slasher movie, I think is, it is ingenious. And I think that they did a great job. And I hope that this team does more stuff together because it's,
01:05:10
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um like the ready or not care, like ready or not team. i forget what radio silence I think is there. Yeah, yeah sure. um Like what they're doing is like kind of what this team is doing. And I think it's a really positive direction for horror right now. Nice. And i would definitely encourage people to go out and see this movie. I don't think it got much fanfare when it came out, um but I really loved it.
01:05:31
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So I would encourage people to seek this out. I think it's on demand right now, maybe for like that $20 price, but I guarantee in like a week, it's going to be like four bucks. So yeah definitely go check it out.
01:05:42
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And that's what I've been waiting for is to actually just like get it. You know, I'm not paying 20 bucks for it at home. Yeah. So I'm looking forward to renting it then. And every, everyone that I've, that I've read on social, they've really liked this. So I'm i'm looking forward to seeing it too.
01:05:54
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Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It's just a fun movie. You know what I mean? Good, because I could use that right now. yeah um Fun movie definitely describes queer. ah but no. so i I finally watched queer. we We talked about this on a recent episode because we were talking about Luca Guadagnino, who I
Movie Review: 'Queer'
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love.
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ah And I finally got to watch queer. And I was worried about it because, you know, a couple people that I know and that that I really respect, they hated the movie. They really didn't like it.
01:06:22
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And I was like, oh, I don't want this to be bad. I really hope it's not bad. And let me tell you, they were wrong. yeah They're wrong, my friends. I loved this movie. I thought it was so good. ahead um It is a it is a difficult movie to watch. I'm not going to lie. Queer is um first of all, this is from William S. Burroughs.
01:06:41
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you don't William S. Burroughs, he's an insane American author who did a lot of drugs. And this is the story of it. So queer is, it takes place in 1950, right? In Mexico City.
01:06:53
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And it's all about William Lee, ah who's an American expat that lives there. And he lives there alone, basically, except he sort of like goes out and hangs out with other Americans that live there too.
01:07:04
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And it's 1950, right? So it's just a whole different time. And this is from Letterboxd once again. His encounter with Eugene Allerton, an expat former soldier new to the city, shows him for the first time that it might finally be possible to establish an intimate connection with somebody.
01:07:22
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So William Lee is played by Daniel Craig and Eugene is played by Drew Starkey, who by the way, is like my new heartthrob. Drew Starkey is so fucking good looking. It's ridiculous, especially in this movie.
01:07:35
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um And this is a real, this is a sexy movie. It is crazy movie. It is wild. And this story has like four acts.
01:07:46
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There's a lot that goes on. It is not a short movie. It's a lot to watch. So I really do get why some people were like, you know what? This just isn't my thing. um Also, interestingly, this also has Omar Apollo in this. do you know Omar Apollo? Have you heard of him? No, no, I don't.
01:08:03
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Omar Apollo is a musician. he's He's kind of popular. And like you know a lot of queer people love him. like like He's like a Troye Savant kind of thing, whatever. oh okay. And Omar Apollo is actually from my hometown of Hobart, Indiana, believe it or not, which is really, really interesting.
01:08:17
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And you definitely see him full on naked having sex in this movie. It is crazy. um So look, I you know it's i don't i hardly do want to explain anymore because I think it's just a really the way that I describe it is I think that this is a wild movie. I think it's a lovely movie. And I think it's also a really sad movie.
01:08:36
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um it it it was It was fun for me to watch, but it was also all of those things. And it was it was especially sad for me because um you know it's another story about you know gay people in a time when they hardly even knew what to make of that.
01:08:51
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and when and And when being yourself was so difficult. And I think about those experiences from our gay elders and it makes me sad. It makes me sad for the lives that they got that they had to miss out on.
01:09:04
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pardon me. And so like, you know, I, I think it's just, it's such a lovely film and it it is one a hell of a beautiful film just filmed so gorgeously. So that's queer. Can I ask you a question? Yes.
01:09:17
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From like on a level ah from, um, what's the best way to put this? a film that destroyed me all of us strangers okay and for no for no reason that that movie needed to destroy me that much like what level is this on that destroy level it will not destroy you like that okay ah because because and it's not the same sort of like it's not the same sort of sentimentality okay and and once again forgive my voice right now it's just i've lost my voice basically by the end of this week um It's not the same kind of sentimentality.
01:09:50
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And it's also just a wholly different view of like being gay. Okay. And especially because this one takes place in 1950, that's just really different. But then there's also like the the extra added aspect of like Americans being expats in Mexico.
01:10:06
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So it's just it's it's pretty different. I think it will still affect you, just not in the same way that that movie did. Okay. Yeah, i can't I can't. I don't think I'll ever be able to watch all of us strangers again. That movie really wrecked me. It's a tough one. It's not easy.
01:10:21
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And it doesn't have a ah satisfying ending either. And that was what the other part that wrecked me about that movie. Yeah, same. Same on that one. All right. Well, that does it for what you've been watching, bitch. Maddie brought us John and the Hole, available on Amazon, Adolescents on Netflix, Sing Sing currently on Max, and Queer, which you can find on Mubi.com.
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And Andrew brought us Subservience on Netflix, Yellow Jacket Season 3 on Paramount Plus, The Parenteen on Max, and Hard Eyes, which is on demand. All right, that will do it for what you've been watching, bitch.
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We'll be right back with our first movie of ah the episode, American Psycho.
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New card. What do you think? who Very nice.
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yes patrick company made a dinner. Sabrina, why don't you dance a little? Christy, get down on your knees.
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We're not through yet.
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That's a wonderful suit. Looks so soft. I don't think I can control myself. If you stay, something bad will happen.
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I feel lethal on the verge of frenzy. I think my mask of sanity is about to slip. Do
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you have any witnesses or fingerprints? Actually, yes.
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I know my behavior can be erratic sometimes. Hey, Paul!
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So, what you do? I'm into, well, murders and executions mostly.
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I have all the characteristics of a human being, but not a single clear identifiable emotion. I simply not
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Yeah. I just had to kill a lot of people.
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Hope you like Huey Lewis and the news because this American psycho will kill you
In-depth 'American Psycho' Review
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if you don't. Andrew, tell us all about American Psycho. Killer looks.
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A wealthy New York investment banking executive hides his alternate psychopathic ego from his coworkers and his friends as he escalates deeper into his illogical, gratuitous fantasies.
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lot of big words in that. Yeah. directed by Mary Herron, written by Mary Herron and Genevieve, Genevieve Turner, guineve based ah gu yourre sorry based on the book by Brett Easton Ellis.
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a Production and distribution were handled by Lionsgate. Patrick is played by Christian Bale. Timothy is played by Justin Theroux. Craig is played by Josh Lucas. Gene is played by Chloe Savini.
01:13:46
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evelyn is played by reese witherspoon paul is played by jared leto luis is played by matt ross and donald is played by willem defoe amongst many other this is definitely a big cast yeah i was like i was like that that's all we're getting on this page yeah yeah yeah uh rated r comes in at 102 minutes depending on what what uh version you watch but i the one i watched was 102 minutes a minute ah Made in the USA and Canada, released on April 14th of 2000.
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Locations included Toronto and New York City. The budget was $7 million and the gross was $34 million. Maddie, and i know this is not a first time watch for either of us or probably any gay person because this was required watching when you were gay teenager.
01:14:33
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so why why Why was it required? Tell me. Yes. We'll get into it. But, um Maddie, why don't you tell me a little bit about your initial thoughts this time around watching American Psycho.
01:14:46
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Yeah, you know, i remember when this movie first came out and I saw it, I definitely was not into it. In fact, I sort of actively disliked it. And i don't really know why. i just wasn't into nuance then, perhaps. I don't i don't really know. But whatever. It was 2000. It was a very different time in my life.
01:15:04
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um I was literally graduating. I wasn't even out of high school then, for God's sake. Now, as an adult... I love this movie. Really, really love American Psycho.
01:15:14
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This fucking thing is unhinged on so many levels. And it is wild and it is insane. And I also love that a woman wrote it and directed it.
01:15:25
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You know, of course, based off of Brett Easton Ellis' novel, which I have not read. um You've read it, though, haven't you? ah this was This is one of his books that I couldn't get through. Okay, gotcha. I ive read... Because you you didn't like it or Yeah, it's it's written very strangely. There's no other way for me to like, like, like talk about it. The way that he structures the book is like, it's just very hard to get into. And I couldn't get into it. I've read other Brett Easton Ellis is though like, um the ah what is it the replacements I think it's called and um ah what's the one with ah the kid from Dawson's Creek? um
01:15:58
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Joshua Jackson? no no no uh dawson uh himself um i can't think about the rules of attraction i've read oh yeah yeah i forgot that was him correct yeah anyways i have read i have read his stuff um but this one was hard this one was hard for me the movie equally but we'll talk about it when it gets interesting but keep going yeah yeah so and by the way folks i put a lozenge in right now so that also affects my voice but hopefully i won't be coughing anyways um Look, ah this movie is such a wonderful skewering of the American economic reality.
01:16:35
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Finance bro. Exactly. And like the finance bro is so is just so endemic to all of that. these These scions who think that they are dropped down from God, that they are the smartest things on the face of the earth, that they are the most beautiful things on the face of the earth, and that they can do whatever they want. so And the the sad reality is that that's that's kind of true. They can do whatever they want.
01:17:01
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And like that's what this movie just lays out bare. And especially near the end, just go all the way to the end basically. like Patrick Bateman can do whatever he wants with impunity.
01:17:14
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With impunity. And even when the police go after him, they don't find him. And even when he tells his lawyer, when he confesses, literally confesses to his lawyer, The lawyer acts like, no, that didn't happen.
01:17:28
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No way. And I have to go now because I have other important things to do. And that is America in a nutshell. It is a a place where this sort of thing can happen, right?
01:17:40
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And, that you know, sort of like in ah in a metaphorical way. where terrible things can happen and terrible things can be done. And people will go, you know what? That's just, it's, that's, that's too inconvenient for me to worry about right now.
01:17:52
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Instead, I'm going to literally whitewash over it and I'm going to ignore it. I'm going to ignore it and I'm going to tell it to go away, which is exactly what happens near the end of this film.
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Patrick Bateman does all of these things. He goes back to Paul Allen's apartment to look at the, the bodies literally hanging in his apartment in, in, in the closet. And they're gone.
01:18:14
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There is a somebody who might be a realtor there showing the apartment. Everything has been painted. There's a fresh can of paint at the top of the closet. Everything is gone. And this woman just tells him to leave.
01:18:26
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And that's it. And it's actually really brilliant, that ending. I i think the at the ending grates a lot of people. um I think it's perfect because it it just lays out there everything that I just said, right?
01:18:40
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and And, you know, so there's there's that part of the film for me that I really enjoy. But then also, there's just the unhinged nature of everything fucking else. And let's just go straight to when he kills Paul Allen and he puts Huey Lewis and the News on.
01:18:54
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And he he gets Paul Allen, played by Jared Leto, super drunk so he doesn't know what's going on, brings him back to his apartment, puts on a fucking raincoat over his you know beautiful Valentino suit, puts on Huey Lewis and the News, starts dancing like a fucking maniac, takes a fresh axe out of the closet, and then proceeds to hack up Jared Leto.
01:19:14
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And he does it, gets out the rage, and then immediately goes back to ah professional on Wall Street. it's It's sort of glorious to watch.
01:19:25
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And he does that over and over and over again. And that is wild. And then there's everyone else around him, right? So like Reese Witherspoon and Justin Theroux and Chloe Sevigny, everyone else, even Willem Dafoe.
01:19:38
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Everyone just sort of like acts like everything is normal. And it's crazy. like it it just fucking works. You know what I mean? Especially, like I actually forgot that Reese Witherspoon was in this until I did this rewatch.
01:19:51
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And I was like, oh, it's right. Reese Witherspoon is in this. There's lot of people in this that I forgot were in it. And she's so fucking good. And Chloe Sevigny is so good. And Willem Dafoe is fantastic in this. Of course he is.
01:20:02
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ah the guy The guy who plays Louis, Matt Ross, he he's really good. I love it when he looks down at him from the balcony and just goes, I'll call you. but so and And it's ah it's it's wonderful.
01:20:13
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It's insane. It's crazy. It's a wild fucking movie. it It completely eviscerates America and the American economy and the idea of wealth in America.
01:20:24
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And I love it for doing that. I think Mary Heron is genius. Really, really loved it. I wish when I was younger and I first saw this, I could have had the under the understanding that I have now. But I'm glad I have it now.
01:20:35
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And I really enjoyed this rewatch. I'm actually pretty surprised also looking at the the budget and the gross. This only made $34 million in the theaters. it's just I thought it would have made a lot more, but I guess not.
01:20:46
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It's 2000. Yeah, true. True.
01:20:50
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Okay. Well, I think I'm like, I'm mostly aligned with you on like understanding like what the movie is doing and like what it's trying to um evoke when it's like it in its like, um,
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it in the style that it's put in. um Because I definitely understand that this is like a specific style and a specific like kind of way of making a movie and and trying to get something across is like, is that it's like almost over the top with like what it's trying to say.
01:21:20
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ah But like at the same time, ah this is one of those movies that whenever I get done watching it, I'm like, I'm always like, well, what am I supposed to get here? Like, what what who am I rooting for? Like, who is the...
01:21:34
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Because like for all intents and purposes, our protagonist is the antagonist. And so it's, it's, it's hard for me to like wrestle in my brain about like, what are we supposed to do with that information? And I've always like with you, like you, you know, you said you really like, you really love the ending for me, the ending is a little ambiguous. And I think if you go online and look at anything about fucking American psycho, everyone has a million and one, you know, process like prophecies about like, like what the the ending means and like, what it was it all in his head or did he actually do it? Or like, when's the flip and like all this stuff. And so like,
01:22:12
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I don't know. Like this one is, this one's a really weird one for me because I like, I like it, but I don't like it. yeah Do you know what i mean? Like it's, it's one of those movies where I ride the line of like, Hmm, how do I really feel about this? And I, and I don't think that I've truly thought about it.
01:22:29
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Um, since I've, since I owned it on VHS, you know what I mean? Like, and so like rewatching it now with like modern eyes, there's so much cringiness in this that like, just makes me like,
01:22:41
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God, but I know that this is how people were back then. And and and it's all part of it. Yeah. Yeah. No. And I get it. I get it. I think that just like, i don't know. There's just so much in this movie that like,
01:22:55
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I can't quite grasp how I feel about it. um and And it's hard for me because I hate this kind of person. Like I hate yeah this like finance person that thinks they have it all figured out because they manipulated people with money. Like, I don't know. It's just, it it drives me absolutely insane. So like to have a whole movie centered around that, just really like it, it erodes my brain to like, I have to try to like, think about it.
01:23:24
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um but like when there there's certain parts in this movie that i'm just like god damn it like when he when he talks to pretty much anytime he talks to chloe 70 um uh gene his his uh secretary and anytime he says things like don't wear that outfit again or uh and high heels i like high heels and i'm just like i'm just like god damn it god I hate this.
01:23:50
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ah And so like, and listen, my score is going to say like, I think this is a good movie, but like at the end of the day, do I want to watch it? Like a lot of times? No, because these fucking people are the people that are running our fucking government and I hate them.
01:24:05
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So, Well, I mean, like i i think i think that's that's definitely part of it, right? I mean, there look, there is no hero in this movie, for sure. Because at the end of the day, everyone fails. Like, everyone fails to turn him in.
01:24:16
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Everyone fails to find him. Everyone fails to, like, give him the comeuppance that he deserves. Because also... Without him, all of their lives stop rotating. Right. Yeah. Everything revolves around Patrick Bateman, who also isn't like barely even a real person. Like most people don't even like recognize him when they see him.
01:24:35
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Most people mistake him for somebody else. Exactly. Because because at the end of the day, he is an amalgam of all of them together. Yeah, right. He's he's he's that they don't know if he I forget the other ones that they thought he was like Marty Halberstam or whatever.
01:24:48
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they They think he's this guy. They think he's this guy. They don't even his own lawyer doesn't know who he is. Even his own lawyer who should absolutely know who he is has no idea who he is when they see him in person.
01:24:59
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So he's really just this whole big mishmash of all of them together. And that mishmash is murderous because they are murderous to the people that they, you know, that they merge and that and that they acquire. That's exactly what they do.
01:25:15
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You know, it might as well be murders and executions instead of mergers and acquisitions because that part that part was pretty funny. I love that part. And that's exactly what they do. They just go around murdering people basically metaphorically. But, you know, really, they do. They murder people's bank accounts and they murder people's finances.
01:25:30
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And, you know, those people are basically dead when it comes to being an American. It's over. So I think they do such a good job of of weaving that through. And the zaniness is almost like this intense clown zaniness that has to be there for a monster like that, because that's what that's what she created. Well, that's what Brett, Brett is an Alice created. it was a ah total monster.
01:25:51
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At the end of the day, this is kind of a monster movie. When you think about it, a monster who just can't be defeated and a monster who even tries to defeat himself. even tries to defeat himself, goes up to the lawyer and somehow deep within says, you have to stop me.
01:26:07
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And even the lawyer won't stop him. Even, he can't stop himself. It's absolutely wild. Um, so I guess like, so you're in the pocket of like, of people that think all of this actually happened.
01:26:22
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Is that a hunch of 1000%? And let me tell you exactly why, because in that closet, is a can of paint. It's right there.
01:26:34
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And if that can of paint wasn't there, I would have a different opinion. that But that can of paint is there. And so they, what with what what I imagine is that the lawyer, and I don't know who this real estate lady is. I don't even know if she's a realtor. Who knows? so But they definitely said, well, this isn't going to work for us because this means we'll have to do X, Y, and Z. So we're just going to white, like literally whitewash over this. We're going pretend like it didn't happen and we're going to move on.
01:27:01
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And we're going to give him a little slap on the hand, right? We're going to say, no, you never come back here again. You're not allowed back here. You should go right now. Get out. But that's all that happens. That's it. Okay.
01:27:12
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That's interesting because I think um prior to this conversation, i think most people thought that there was like a flip in the movie to where it's in his head. Does that make sense? Yeah.
01:27:26
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Yeah, I mean, I can definitely see how people would could I could see how you could be in either camp for sure. And I think i'm in the other one the moment that really gets it for me in in thinking that way and thinking that maybe after the second threesome, there's something that happens in his brain where it's maybe in his head is when he's having the firing off squad with the cops and he shoots and the car explodes. And he has a moment where he looks at the gun like, holy shit, how did that happen? Yeah, sure. And that's the part for me that makes me think like, hmm, is this actually happening? And then the other part, which could be equated just to his mania, is where the ATM says, feed me the kitten.
01:28:07
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And like, you know what i mean? So, I mean, i can kind of feed into it either way. And I think either way is like got a satisfying conclusion. Completely agree with that. Yeah. But like I do kind of straddle the line of like, well, what do I think?
01:28:21
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And I think when i was younger, i had more of an ah appreciation for the conclusion that it was kind of in his head or a part of it was in his head. yeah um But I do appreciate your interpretation of it and thinking, well, no, that's the whole point of the movie. It's like, well, he's going to get away with it anyway. Yeah.
01:28:39
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Yeah. um So I can kind of see it both ways. Same. I do. One interesting thing that I did not know about this until, until this recording is that Leo DiCaprio almost played Patrick Bateman.
01:28:50
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And if that had happened, I don't know, this would be a very different movie. Well, didn't he, he just went on to do the Wolf of Wall Street, which is pretty much the same thing. Yeah. But, but like it's, but that's so different from this though. Like i I can't, I can't imagine like, can you really imagine Leo doing the Huey Lewis part?
01:29:08
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No. Actually, you know who I pictured when he was doing the whole Paul Allen monologue was Jim Carrey. Yeah, you know what? I'll tell you, thinking about his facial expressions and what he was doing then, I i wonder if if ah if Christian Bale was was thinking of him too.
01:29:27
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it He had to have. That was like Jim Carrey impersonation. that makes that especially Especially in That makes a lot of sense. Another thing that I noted in here is that ah these these like Uber, like like straight guys, probably what we would call like um alpha males or like red pill males now. Yeah.
01:29:47
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They go to the gayest bars. like Oh, they totally. yeah So wait, do you do you know what they call these guys actually? They call them Males? sigma Okay. I've never even heard of that before. Apparently a Sigma male is somebody who's very masculine, um very successful, but they keep to themselves.
01:30:07
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They're Sigma males. There you go. ah don't spread these things. just Just one more thing. One more thing. But no, like I just noticed like, and I honestly didn't notice this before, like that, like all the like the clubs they go to are all like drag queens on stage, go-go boys, like,
01:30:27
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And I'm like, what the gay as hell? I know. And I'm like, for these like uber masculine men, I was just kind of funny to see this time around. um Another thing, just because we're living in the age of this is there's so much Trump talk in this yes movie. Like, and I, I never called it out before. um Like when he's, he's in the car and he's like, is that, is that Donald Trump's car? Or is that Ivana Trump at the table over there? Like,
01:30:51
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I never noticed it before. and I think that's just weird. That's a product of our time, not of that time. But like, it's, it's just funny because I think around 2000, would that have been the apprentice yet? i don't know. That might've been too early for it. Cause like 2000 was, was just, uh, was just like the first survivor, you know? So like, ah you're right. Yeah, you're right. You're right.
01:31:11
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So it was probably just, um, Trump tower era of New York city. Yeah. Yeah. um Another thing that I noted is that the opening credits are like the predecessor to the Dexter credits. Yes, totally. like yeah almost Almost like like pop for like point for point. I thought it was funny.
01:31:31
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Okay. A couple of other things that I noticed this time around. i they he this He was talking to, i think, his side piece. And he was basically saying like the the the thing that she was going to order.
01:31:45
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And he mentions peanut butter soup. And I was like... Oh, that's right. Yeah. I kind of want to know what that is. wonder if that's like a Thai dish, maybe? Yeah.
01:31:57
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ah Sounds good. i kind of want it right now, now that you said it again, to be honest. Well, we'll talk about my dinner last night after we talk about the next movie. Oh, my God. Another thing that really evokes um this time and this movie is the whole business card of it all. Oh, how they compare business cards. And he's like, oh, yes, this is the the color is bone. And this font. And this font in this thing.
01:32:23
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And how they all... like ah pretty much like ejaculate all over each other's like but business cards, which are so just like of a time this movie. I do love a good ah a good business card still. I do.
01:32:38
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Yeah, I don't have them anymore. i used to. um We actually had them for the show, but that was more of a promotional thing than anything. I always have them just in case. I always carry them with me just in case. And I i just got a new position, so I have to get a new one. I'm happy about that.
01:32:53
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And I love having a business card because it's so like unexpected in today's world. Yeah, it true. I use our fragging one for my bookmark. Yes, there you go, girl.
01:33:04
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um A couple of things that really graded me in this movie is obviously how he treats every single woman and every single homeless person. And like, listen, that homeless guy scene with a dog, I can't, I almost can't watch that scene. like It makes me so mad and so sad.
01:33:23
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It's awful. But i mean, that's just the thing. I mean, that that's if you think about him as the amalgamated monster, that's that's what they think about homeless people. at the end of the day, you should get a job. You're a fucking loser. You deserve to die.
01:33:36
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um um I'm trying to think like what else I had. um i think I've really said a lot of what I do know. The one line that really got me this time is when it's towards the end when he's sitting with all of his colleagues and the one guy says, I'm not really that hungry, but I would love to have reservations. And yeah that line right there, i was like, holy shit. That is like every big city person that I know that's trying to just like be somebody be a part of it um so look if if you're not a big fan of mary heron's take on american psycho guess what you can get ready for luca guadagnino's take on american psycho because he is doing a reboot of the movie and austin butler will be playing patrick bateman which should be really interesting i like austin butler a lot i think he's really good
01:34:29
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he'll definitely bring something new to this. That is for sure. um So it'll be interesting to see it. I don't know when it comes out, but that, that, that was just, that was announced in December that, that Austin Butler will take that role. It probably hasn't even like entered pre-production that much. Right. Exactly. So we'll probably see it in a couple.
01:34:44
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I'll look forward to watching that though. But in the meantime, Andrew, tell me, what did you rate American Psycho? Listen, I'm not going to say this my favorite movie, but I can still give it a five. um I say I recognize that the acting, direction, and production are all top notch. I just really hate Patrick Bateman and and everything and he stands for. And I feel like that there's just no one to root for. So it's just the harder movie for me to watch.
01:35:06
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And I gave it a 5.5. And I said, look, I used to hate it. Now I fucking love it. So folks, that does it for American Psycho. We'll be right back with our next film, Parasite.
01:35:21
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What? What? What? The door is closed. can't see can't see it. can't see it. Oh, my God! Your face looks good, and you're healthy. There's no way to get your job.
01:35:32
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going to be
01:35:44
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You're going to be a You're going be a teacher for me. You're going to be teacher for me.
01:35:51
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Is it okay with Is it okay with We're all done with art.
01:35:58
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i didn' world it ten so i't even i but time so but is it to okay we do
01:36:13
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taun inuantan needs respected you didn't they paint your k ko control
01:36:21
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ya good one this was The
01:36:48
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cha um start got
01:36:57
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I'm deadly serious.
01:37:05
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But I think I'm really sad. sincere we felt quite
01:37:29
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um Do you know who's been living in your house? Maybe, maybe not. Could it be a parasite? Matty, tell us all about parasite.
01:37:42
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You know, this is actually called people under the stairs part two. Did you know that? Cool. yeah um Anyways, parasite act like you own the place all unemployed. Key takes family takes peculiar interest in the wealthy and glamorous parks from for their livelihood until they get entangled in an unexpected incident.
01:38:01
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Now, look, everyone, there's going to be a lot of Korean names here. My Korean pronunciation is not that great. Okay, here we go. Directed by Bong Joon-ho, written by Bong Joon-ho and Han Jin-won, produced and distributed by CJ Entertainment.
01:38:13
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Kim Kai-tek, the Kim family father who was hired as Park Dong-ik Sho-for, is played by Song Kang-ho. Park Dong-ik, the Park family father, is played by Lee Sun-kyun.
01:38:27
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Choi Yong-gyo, the Park mother, is played by Cho Yong-jong. Kim Ki-woo, the Kim's son who is hired as Dahai's ESOL tutor, is played by Choi Woo-shik.
01:38:39
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Kim Ki-jung, the Kim's daughter who is hired as Da Song's art therapist, is played by Park Seo-dam. Chung Suk, the Kim family mother who is hired as the park's housekeeper, is played by Jang Hai-jin.
01:38:50
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And Gok Moon-guang, the park's housekeeper, is played by Lee Jung-yung. This film is rated It's 132 minutes long, made in South Korea. Released on the 30th of May, 2019, filmed in Seoul, South Korea, the budget was $11.4 million.
01:39:07
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point four million It brought back $258 fucking million. Just insane. Insane. So look, this is Parasite. Andrew, ah not a first watch for you.
01:39:20
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Tell me all about it. Yeah, I definitely watched this when it was up for Best Picture in 2020. That would have been 2020, right? um And so i actually I actually watched a screener of this. um I had somebody in my life that was part of the at the the guild or whatever. yeah And then they had all the screeners for all the movies that year. So I got to watch it that way. Which was fun because I felt like I was like an elite for a second. um Because I got to watch a movie early. Exactly, right.
01:39:51
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that just shows the state of my life, but no. And listen, I liked it quite a bit. Then i still like it quite a bit now. um I think on this rewatch, because this is literally my rewatch from 2019.
01:40:03
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twenty nineteen So I have not watched it since then. um i think that the story is pretty, pretty well woven i think that there's one or two storylines that they maybe could have dropped for time sure um for instance i'll just say like the the relationship between our our our main kid and the um the girl that who's he's tutoring i don't know if we needed that because it doesn't really go anywhere um But that's just like a that's like a style thing for me. That's like an editing thing for me. So I'm not I'm not knocking it against the movie. I just kind of noticed it on this time. I was like, oh, I kind of don't remember this about the movie. And then I was like, oh, that's why I don't remember it, because it doesn't really mean much to the the overall plot.
01:40:43
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But listen. I think that this is a very interesting thing, ah a very interesting take on like classism and and and how we treat people. even like and the And the thing about this movie, and I think if this was an English remake, the um the the ah the affluent couple would have been much worse in an English remake of this. But because this is a Korean movie with Korean sensibilities, they have ah they have a good way of making you be like, oh, but like the rich people aren't assholes. They just don't know any better. like they just don't They don't understand like that they are doing this. like They they kind of just they know it because that's their life.
01:41:29
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And like, and it's the same for the other ones. They know it because that's their life. Like, it's, it's just like a very nuanced take on classism, which I really appreciate because it's so many times in America or in Europe, for that matter, when we look at these kind of things.
01:41:45
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when these kind of takes or these kind of, it's always like the extreme, like it's all, it's always like um the devil wears Prada, like that. yeah sure Like it's, it's over the top and they're, they're the worst kind of people.
01:41:58
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And when you look at the people who are the affluent couple in this movie, you're like, well, they're actually like, you know, the dad's kind of mean, but he's not like, he's not like ah hitting him. He's not like abusing him. You know what i mean? Like, it's like the little things. That's how he talks about him. It's how he talks to his wife about him. Yeah, it's it's those kind of things, which I really do appreciate that they took the time and the effort to like make them like this. And it's even at the party at the end. don no I don't want to skip right to the end, but even the party at the end, all these people function this way because they just do.
01:42:29
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like Yeah, sure. I don't I don't know it is how else to explain it, but it's it's a really interesting take on the rich versus the poor. in a way that I don't think I've seen before because we're not we're not allowed to be nuanced in America. It has to be Donald Trump or the homeless guy on the street.
01:42:47
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like You know what I mean? it And so like I really appreciated it. and And I think that this time around... Is it a little bit long? Yeah, but there's a lot of story in there. So got to give it a little bit of credit. And so those are kind of my initial thoughts. What about you?
01:43:02
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Yeah, I mean, i I think it's a brilliant movie. um and And I haven't watched it too many times since I first watched it. I think I've only watched it one other time since the first watch. um So this would probably be my third watch. And um look, i I think it's a a brilliant film.
01:43:15
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I think it absolutely deserved all of the Oscars that it that it won that year, including best picture, best director, best original screenplay, and best international feature film. And I think it it it needed that because the story that it lays out, it's almost like it's it's it's like Orson Welles fucking directed this thing, man. it's It's just so it's so big. This is this is like ah this is a saga.
01:43:40
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that is actually like tiny in, in some ways and huge in others. so And, you know, the thing that you were talking about earlier about like how rich people just say are, like these are like nice rich people. The lines in this movie are just so brilliant.
01:43:53
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And like, you know, the, the Kim's mother, ah the or the mother and The mother and the Kim family, um she she has this great line where she's like, yeah, they're nice. I'd be nice if I was rich too.
01:44:04
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And she says, you know rich people are naive. They don't have any resentments. There's no creases on them. Money is like an iron. Money is like an iron. And that's such a great line.
01:44:16
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That metaphor of just like, you see rich people and they're so put together. And and they're you know they they have a sensibility about them. And this thing and that thing. like they They don't have wrinkles. They don't have creases.
01:44:28
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Money is like an iron. And it is. and And then you know that that's not the only you know great line. There's this this wonderful, amazing part when the flood happens. And they're in the auditorium with everyone else that's poor um because they're they' you know they're fleeing the floodwater.
01:44:45
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And the son looks over at the dad and he's like, you know what what about your plan? you know You said you had a plan. What's going to happen? And he says, kiu you know a kind of plan never fails no plan at all no plan you know why if you make a plan life never works out that way look around us these people think let's all spend the night in a gym but look now everyone sleeping on the floor us included That's why people shouldn't make plans.
01:45:13
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With no plan, nothing can go wrong. And if something spins out of control, it doesn't matter. Whether you kill someone or betray your country, none of it fucking matters. Got it?
01:45:23
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And it is fucking brilliant, that whole speech. And he does it so well. It's so subtle. it's almost you You almost lose it if you're if you're not watching carefully. Yeah.
01:45:34
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But it basically explains like the reality of like life in this like classist world that we live in. You're either rich or you're poor. you know we want people to make all these plans. They can't. And when they do make a plan, it never works anyway.
01:45:48
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you know it's just It's absolutely crazy. Yeah, I know. and And I think that's what this movie does really well, is that they they do show kind of the the the take on you know South Korea in in the in this modern day.
01:46:02
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um And it's interesting to see how um Modern day is not that much different than what, you know, when we saw when we were kids. Right. Exactly.
01:46:13
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and it's it And it's so it's so funny, you know, as we watch more and more movies from different eras, like take, for instance, you know, American Psycho, American Psycho and Parasite. They are 20 years apart.
01:46:27
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Yes. They are talking about the same thing. Absolutely. Like, and and I'm noticing it more and more in the movies that we watch that talk about just like what's going on in the world. um You know, like keep like when we talked about the Omen three, for instance, and they were talking about Israel and I was like, this movie's from 1980.
01:46:48
Speaker
yeah And we're still fucking talking about the same stuff. Like, it's so crazy to me. That's just like one little aside. there's a couple, i think that the script writing this movie is top notch. I think that everyone, everyone does a great job. I'll give extra flowers to um Jessica ah and, yeah and, and the mom, I think that they are like,
01:47:12
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And I mean the mom of the of the rich family. I think that those two are kind of like the stars in my eyes of like who gives like the... And there's little things. It's like when um when he's talking to the affluent mom um and he is talking about the art on the wall and he goes, oh, a chimpanzee, right? And she goes, self-portrait. Yeah. It's so good.
01:47:37
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Or when or when when they're looking at the tent outside and the kid's in it and and the dad's like, is it going to leak? And she goes, we ordered it from the US. It'll be fine. Yeah. So like I think that everyone does a great job. I just wanted to call out those two performances yeah specifically just because I think that they're um i think that they're a little bit ah a little bit above in my eyes yeah um i i did like the um line towards the end when she's telling she's telling the ghost story about daesong and like what he saw and it turns out to be the guy in the basement but and she goes living in a haunted house or bring his business good luck and i was like There's so many weird like little like nuances like that that I appreciated this time around.
01:48:22
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um One thing that I wanted to call out, just because you don't get this on ah on unless it's a rewatch, there's a little monologue where the wife is talking about the housekeeper. I think it's to the husband, but I can't quite recall who she's talking to.
01:48:38
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But she has a moment where she says... Oh, I really liked everything about her. But, you know, she always did eat a lot and she always took two portions. And in the first watch, you're not you don't think anything of that. You think like, oh, she's a you know a little bit bigger compared to everybody else. So like they're just talking like they're kind of like fat shaming her a little bit.
01:48:58
Speaker
But then on second watch, you realize that's a clue to her husband being in the bunker. and like ah yes and she's taking food for him like in it's it's it's something you it's it's a you know blink and you'll miss it moment but i just noticed it this time around and i was like wow that's actually pretty good that they wove that into like just an innocent part of the dialogue yeah um but Yeah, I think that that's that the the the for this being an original screenplay.
01:49:29
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I'm very impressed with what they were able to pull off. Well, and there there is more to come. ah The one thing that I discovered in looking at the at the stuff for this is that there's a HBO has a six hour limited series based on the film coming very soon.
01:49:43
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Uh, we hear Bong Joon-ho and Adam and Adam McKay are the executive producers. Um, it's an early development. Uh, well, it wasn't early development and in January, 2020. Oh, geez. What did anything happen with it? Well, uh, it's bong but a Bong, Bong Joon-ho did confirm in February, 2025 that the series was still in development.
01:50:01
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Um, Bong said that the, it will also have the title parasite. It will explore stories that happen in between the sequences in the film. In February, February 2020, Mark Ruffalo was rumored to star and Tilda Swinton was confirmed as being cast in a lead role.
01:50:17
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So, ah ah and but in 2022, she said that she was no longer involved. So we'll see what happens with this, but it sounds like it could be really interesting. i mean, if if Bong Joon-ho is involved with it, it's going to be good.
01:50:28
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Yeah, I hope so. i worry that American sentimentality will get weaved in here and will ruin some of the nuance. But yeah, true we'll see. We'll see. I'll give it a chance. that This is our first episode where we've had back to back Bong Joon-ho movies. because We did Snowpiercer last time.
01:50:44
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Yeah, so I noticed that. um I do. And then there's another part in the movie that I wanted to call out yeah because it's it's it's so crazy that this is where they go is when he tries to convince the affluent mother um that that her housekeeper has tuberculosis. Oh, my God. It's insane. Yeah.
01:51:08
Speaker
I'm like, you could have done anything like you could have done. Like you could have made her look like she was stealing. You could have made it look like she was like doing, but you make them fear tuberculosis based on her peach allergy. it' That's insane. its It's like honestly kind of brilliant to be honest.
01:51:26
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yeah And the fact that he even goes so far as to pick the napkin out of the trash and squirt hot hot sauce on it. It's a little Taco Bell packet for God's sake. make it look like blood. Oh my God.
01:51:38
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Yeah, you know, it's it's just it's such a wonderful movie. well One of the things that I did this time around, ah because I own it from Apple TV, and is you have the option in like in like the extra features to watch it in black and white.
01:51:50
Speaker
And so I watched it in black and white this time. And I think for me, like I said, Orson Welles earlier, like like that's a little bit of what kind of gave me that that like rosebud quality to it, that it wasn't black and white. It felt like a classic movie watching it.
01:52:04
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So if if you have the ability to do that, and you've watched it before in color, I would recommend, like give it a shot. It gives ah ah just a little bit more of like a classic feel to it. And i I really enjoyed that. i enjoyed watching it that way.
01:52:17
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Yeah, that's interesting. um I did get nervous, I will say, when I first turned on the movie and the subtitles were at the top. And I was like, I don't know if I can do this. They were at the top for you?
01:52:29
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Well, for a second, because they're making effort to not get rid of the title. So like where it says Parasite, who's in it? Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they don't overlap with that. But I did have a moment of panic where I was like, I don't think I can do this. Oh. They're at the top.
01:52:46
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My eyes are so trained to when I watch subtitles to them to be in a certain spot. But I was thinking, no, what do I do? And listen, i'm I'm taking notes during this entire movie. So like it is kind of hard with subtitles sometimes because like you have to look back and forth.
01:53:02
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Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about the ending because I think the ending is quite, I think the ending is why it gets kind of gets lumped into like um horror drama. You know what mean? Is where we're at the little boy's birthday party and everything's coming to a head. It's insane.
01:53:21
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The woman down in the basement has finally perished as she should have a long time ago. She got kicked down the stairs. It's God almighty concrete stairs and hits her head. ah that That part, i I honestly, I laughed out loud because the audacity of it, of when she is coming up the stairs and the other mother just down the stairs.
01:53:42
Speaker
Jesus. but Like Kung Fu kicks her down the stairs. It's insane. um And then she's still alive, which is equally insane. um But listen, at the end, you know, she's passed away. The husband is out of his ropes and tape.
01:53:57
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Um, he's coming for revenge. The one guy is going, the one kid is going down to kill him. Like everything is like coming to a head. And it's so, it's so chaotic, but at the same time, the way that it's done feels not chaotic. It's like a little, like it's like a symphony. It's like a dance. Literally, there is somebody singing opera at the same time.
01:54:20
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right and like And that gives you an idea of how Bong Joon-ho thinks about the sequence is that it's it's it's musical and there there is a rhythm to it. And it's amazing how it all plays out. Yeah. and And everything kind of comes to a head. And I'm not sure why he targets the younger daughter first, maybe just because that's the first person he sees. I think it's that way, too. Yeah. um Because she's out in the out in the the forefront with the cake.
01:54:47
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um Because he's literally going after the other mother. Like, that's who he wants to kill. Yeah. And so he he he he stabs her. And just because the little boy faints, that erupts the rich people into like only saving the little boy and not the woman and not the woman that's bleeding out. Throw me the keys. and they can't well And they can't understand why their chauffeur wouldn't be trying to help the woman that's been stabbed and wouldn't drive them to the hospital. Throw me so throw me the It's so infuriating that no one can prioritize anyone but themselves.
01:55:27
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and except for the Except for the family, of course. And it it is it is it it is punctuated so well when the dad goes over and you know the that the guy that was in the basement, he's got the fucking skewer through his side and and he's talking to him. And and the the rich dad just holds his nose ever so slightly because it's the same smell that smelled before that he hates.
01:55:52
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and fucking the kim dad just that that's that is the straw that breaks his fucking back it sends him over the edge sends him over the edge and like it's it's it's it's a b it's like beautiful it's it's like a beautiful coda to that whole thing because like it's like a comeuppance for the little man you know and i kind of kind of love that part to be honest um I will say this about the ending, and I'm not talking about the the party, I'm talking about the ah the the end the other end, if you will, um is that, damn, that is a long letter to send Morse code. I know, right? Come Jesus. He goes into, like egocent like ah like like in his own brain thoughts during this during this very long monologue, and I was like, this is all Morse
01:56:41
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This is all Morse code? this is all mors code But that's my only little stab at it. It is this... Folks, I'm so sorry about my voice today. It's really bad.
01:56:52
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um But like it is a beautiful little dream, isn't it? you know like this This beautiful little idea that that that he cooked up for this film. that like What if that could actually happen? Yeah.
01:57:04
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It's kind of amazing. i I do appreciate, though, that he punctuates that with it being only a thought. it's not it it It's not reality. yeah It's not like a you know cookie cutter, like sew it up nice. if if that had been the If that had been the ending, it would have ruined the film.
01:57:19
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It would have absolutely ruined the entire thing. And nothing nothing would have meant anything if that if that had been the end. Yeah, I agree. All right. Do you want to grade this thing? Sure. i gave it a six. And I said, the first words of this film are, we're screwed, which explains the predicament we've been in for so long.
01:57:39
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And I gave it a five and a half. I said, a rich tapestry of what classism looks like today. Maybe a bit bloated with plot, but beautiful and haunting to look at. I love it. Well, folks, that does it for Parasite. We'll be right back to close out the show.
01:57:55
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circulation Frank, peso, or piaster, dollar, ruble, or yen. If they stop moving, it's disaster till they're moving again.
01:58:07
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It's got to circulate, circulate, come out of the woods. Stimulate, motivate, service and goods. It's no nest egg to incubate. Money's got to circulate.
01:58:21
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Well, folks, that was episode 140 of Friday the 13th Horror Podcast. But before we let you go, as usual, we have a little game to play. And Andrew's always good at cooking up a little fun game. um So, Andrew, this game, from what I understand, is called Who Spends This?
01:58:38
Speaker
Andrew, tell me all about this game. Yes, this game, I'm going to read you um world currencies. Okay. And you have to tell me where they come from.
01:58:49
Speaker
Oh, okay. All right. I did go a little bit out there with these because I knew you would know a lot of them. So they might be a little hard. And some of them are multiple countries. And all you have to do is give me one of those countries. Okay, this is fun. I'm into it.
01:59:05
Speaker
All right. So your first world currency is the lorry. so Can you spell it for me, please? L-A-R-I. The Lari. L-A-R-I.
01:59:17
Speaker
L-A-R-I. Lari. It's not... it's Well, it's obviously not European. um It... I wonder if it's in the Middle East.
01:59:29
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And I wonder if it... Is it like... Is it like in like Algiers or like, is it like, well, Algeria, is it, is it like in Morocco somewhere around there? Like, like Tunisia? Is it, is it something like that? Maybe you're very close.
01:59:47
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This comes from the country of Georgia. of Georgia. Okay. So yeah, no, i mean, you know, not, not too far away. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. All right, the next one is the CD.
01:59:58
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C-E-D-I. The CD? I've never i have never heard of this before. God, I thought I would be good at this game. Fuck. these ah These are hard ones. I'm not going to lie. and i didn't make it easy. The CD, the CD.
02:00:10
Speaker
Or or maybe was maybe it's pronounced the sedi. Or even the chedi. You know me in pronunciations. Okay, I'm going to guess this might be an African country. Am am i am I in the right region, at least? Yes, you are.
02:00:24
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Okay. So it's an African currency. it's It's one that I haven't really heard of before. So it's not going to be from South Africa. I know that. It's not going to be from na ah ah Namibia. It won't be from, I don't think it's from Kenya.
02:00:38
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ah Is it from somewhere like like the Congo, maybe? This is from Ghana. So you're Ghana. Okay, not not too far away. Not too far away. All right. The next one is the Gilder.
02:00:51
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The Gilder. Oh, okay. Can you spell it for me, please? G-U-I-L-D-E-R. Okay. All right. um The Gilder. So this is going to be from a place that was colonized by England, for sure. It has to be.
02:01:05
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um It's not from England. um The Gilder. It's going to cost 25 Gilders. Okay. Where is it? this play This also is in multiple countries.
02:01:17
Speaker
It's in multiple countries. Okay. Is the Gilder, is it in the Caribbean? Part of it. Okay. Is it in the Virgin Islands? The British Virgin Islands?
02:01:29
Speaker
I don't know. I'd have to look up this country specifically, but you're in the right region. Tell me. Okay. So the Gilder is from the Netherlands. Wow. but in The Netherlands. Fuck me.
02:01:39
Speaker
But it is also the ah currency of St. Martin and of Curacao. Right. So yeah. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Damn. i but I put this one in as for myself. because You were just there. and heres so You know what? i i now Now that you say Dutch, I'm like, yeah, that could also, it's it's not actually English. That is Dutch. That makes sense.
02:01:57
Speaker
all right two more to go okay the next one is the lira l-i-r-a uh the lira was the currency of um of italy in the past it is no longer because the euro is the currency there now but that would give it an italian connection um so lira would be who still does lira there are three countries could that be is one of them in africa Close.
02:02:28
Speaker
Okay. ah Close to Africa, and it's the lira. So it's not in Africa. It would be in Europe then, or or in the European region. Okay. is it Is it Sardinia?
02:02:43
Speaker
No. The lira is the currency currently of Turkey, Lebanon, and Syria. Really? Okay. I definitely did not fucking know that.
02:02:55
Speaker
And finally, the last one is the Zloty. Z-L-O-T-Y. Well, that used to be in Poland. I do know that. it still is. is it Is it still in Poland? Oh, Poland doesn't have the euro. Oh, my goodness. Okay, gotcha. All right, well, I got i got one right then.
02:03:12
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you know what but you were very you were very close in all of your thinking that's crazy i don't know if you've have you played that game where they show you a picture of a place and you have try to say where it is in the in the world yes it's like it's like just the shape of it kind of thing well no it's it's honestly like a google image oh yeah sure right right it's So kind of like you were kind of using that brain to try to get to it. So you were very close. That was fun one, Andrew. That was fun. Good one. Good job. Thank you. Thank Well, that does it for 140. I always find it very satisfying when we get to a new number. don't know about but like it's a nice even number.
02:03:57
Speaker
Well, now that we're like, we're, we're over the one thirties, we're in the one forties now, which is kind of bonkers to me. First of all, it's crazy. feels good. but um, listen, and the last two hours that you listened to, cause this is definitely gonna be at least two hours. For sure. Um, you just listened to that for free.
02:04:15
Speaker
Just want to remind you. Uh huh. And in these, these times. And, and look, and, and, and that's okay that you did. It's okay. Yeah. ah but in it But in a show where we talked all about economy, we're one too.
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02:05:25
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So like you're never going to have to worry about listening to an episode that you have to pay for, or this content is only for special people. That's never been our philosophy. um we don't do that so like but if you want to sure and also you know andrew i i put a i actually blue sky this or whatever we call that uh this week i listened to an episode of a very well-known podcast that is all about ghost stories basically and do you so i started playing this episode Do you know how long it took from the start moment I pushed play to get to the actual content of that episode?
02:06:33
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Oh, no. Just guess. Just guess. Well, if I'm averaging it on the podcast that I listen to that have ads, I would say three minutes. It took nine minutes.
02:06:45
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Jesus Christ. I'm not joking. It took nine minutes. After multiple ads and and the host that does a long intro anyway, they do very long intros. It was nine minutes until they eventually got to the content.
02:06:57
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That's crazy. With Frague the 13th, you get content literally at the first second. It starts right away. We don't have any ads. We just go, baby. We just go.
02:07:08
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And for two hours, you don't got to listen to anything stopping you, right? That's pretty fucking cool in this age of everybody's got to make money on everything, right? That's just not what we do.
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02:07:39
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Is to leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Please. Thank you. I'll be done with that now. Yes. Good. Good. So listen, folks, hope you enjoyed yourselves on this episode because we certainly enjoyed doing it today.
02:07:51
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And like every other episode, we want to remind you that the most important thing that you need to do is go out there and slayed.