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🏖️ EPISODE 145: BEACHES ARE TERRIFYING 🦀
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🏖️ EPISODE 145: BEACHES ARE TERRIFYING 🦀
Sand in your shorts? That’s the least of your worries. Sharks, sinkholes, sea ghosts, and sunburns await you in our latest episode, because let’s face it—BEACHES ARE TERRIFYING.
🌊 HORROR IN THE MOVIES
THE BEACH and THE SHALLOWS will have you second-guessing every toe-dip in the ocean. Is that seaweed… or something worse?
😱 HORROR IN REAL LIFE
Haunted beaches, cursed waters, and a terrifying tale from the Indiana Dunes will chill your spine faster than a dip in the Atlantic.
👀 WHATCHA BEEN WATCHIN’, BITCH?!
We’re spilling the sunscreen and the tea.
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Transcript
Introduction and Setting the Scene
00:00:00
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Frygay the 13th Horror Podcast is a proud independent podcast. To learn more about the show, visit frygay13.com.
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Oh my god, Andrew, can you believe this view? The sun is shining, the tide is in and I haven't been eaten by anything yet. Yeah, yet we've been here 30 minutes and I've already seen a crab dragging a toe ring into the bushes.
00:00:27
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Why does everything on this island feel cursed? Oh please, just because the welcome drink had a fingernail in it? I bit into it, Maddie. It had a cuticle.
00:00:37
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Well, it's it's organic. That's very in right now. Anyways, welcome to Death Cove, the totally real, definitely not haunted beach resort we found on GayTravelDarkWeb.net.
00:00:49
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Yeah, it was right next to vacations for bottoms who can't say no. Listen, the price was right and the check-in process was so chill, they just handed us a bone knife and whispered, choose your sacrifice. Yeah, and the minibar is just full of raw meat and the beach on VHS.
00:01:05
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Ugh, Leah was so hot in that though. But like, this island feels like that movie. But where's the rave? Where's the murder? Where's Tilda Swinton with a machete? No rave, but I did find a blood-stained hammock.
00:01:17
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And someone offered me reef weed, which I'm pretty sure was just teeth. Well, at least there are no sharks. um
00:01:26
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Matty, what did you say the name of this cove was again?
Exploring Beach Horror Themes
00:01:29
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Death Cove. You absolute bitch. It's episode 145. Beaches are terrifying.
00:01:40
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i am the writing on the wall. The whisper in the classroom. I'm Marjorie Green and I approve this message. To save America, stop socialism, and stop China.
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They define the honesty from life to death to rise.
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in real life. Doubters, the doomsters, the gloomsters, they are going to get it wrong. Horror in the movies. Where are you gonna go?
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Where are gonna run? Where are you gonna hide? Nowhere. Because there's no one like you left. What do we want? Justice!
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When do we want it? Now! Let's go! What are you waiting for, huh?
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I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning. Sometimes that is better. A picturesque day on the Jersey Shore. Beachgoers taking cover from the hot summer sun.
00:02:46
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All shattered in a moment. page three six one the m roseary in the west armpi After a 19-year-old lifeguard in Asbury Park was stabbed by her own beach umbrella.
00:02:57
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i and I got impaled by the umbrella. Welcome back to another episode of Fry Gay, the 13th Horror Podcast. My name is Matty. And I'm Andrew. And if this is your first time with us on Freigate the 13th Horror Podcast, your first thing to do is to shut this one off and go listen to all 144 episodes before this one.
00:03:16
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um But no, actually, to stay with this one. It's going to be a fun one. um This is the podcast that talks all about horror, horror in real life and in the movies from an LGBT perspective.
00:03:27
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And we're back to you with... um with what's going to be a fun one. it's It's all about beaches, Andrew. It's a summer special. It's a summertime. You know, you're thinking about the beach. You're ready to go show off your beach body. No matter how it looks, anybody has a beach body. I just want to point that out.
00:03:44
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um And you're just, you know, the the beach is for fun. and Isn't it, Andrew? Isn't it supposed to be fun at the beach? It's for fun and budgie smugglers. Yeah. But what happens if um what happens if things go wrong at the beach? A lot of things can go wrong at the beach. can tell you that much. Has anything wrong ever happened to you the beach? Oh, god Everything. Listen, i grew up in Most people know I grew up in Michigan, which is the land of lakes. Yeah.
00:04:13
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And we went to the beach all the time. And so from third degree burns on my shoulders to some parasites that we'll talk about in a little bit. I've seen it all.
00:04:25
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God, you know, speaking speaking of sunburns, when what I was in Croatia with my family a couple months ago or a month ago, whatever it was. And um we had this boat day and like we stopped at a couple of beaches and my dumb ass fell asleep on the boat with, cause I was, cause we, let's face it, we were all drunk and having a great time.
00:04:44
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It's totally sunny with no sunscreen on Andrew. You idiot. my My face was like the color of a fucking cherry. I i was like, i wasn't like sick, but I was worried. I kept asking my sister, I was like, am I gonna die? She's like, no, you're fine.
00:04:59
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Shut up. Anyways, listen, the the beach was kind of the same for me too. um I grew up just south of where of where Andrew grew up in Indiana, um which is now home of the Indiana Dunes National Park.
00:05:10
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um So very similar kind of beaches that that Andrew and I would have gone to when we were kids. um And now for that matter. Um, but, uh, yeah, same, like, you know, it was, uh, it was often like sunburns or, um, or, or, or things like that. There, there were a couple of scary moments I remember in the water, like, um, people might know that I'm not what I would call a
Personal Beach Experiences and Preferences
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strong swimmer. Um, and remember my, my brother-in-law, one that I i particularly don't like, I'll be very honest, but, um,
00:05:40
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He had these floats when I was a kid, like those big like rubber floats, you know what i mean? And like there was one that was shaped like a lobster. I remember that it was like a big red lobster. And I think we had a similar one that was like a crocodile.
00:05:52
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Yeah, same kind of long, long kind of thing. And i I don't know how old it was. I might have been like 11 or 12, maybe something like that. And I like took the float into the water and because I'm a dumb kid, I didn't went a little deeper than I thought you were it Went way deeper and I fell off of it.
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and and And then the float got away from me and I tried to go after it to catch it. And then that's when I started freaking out and like I i didn't know what to do.
00:06:20
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And like, thankfully there was a guy on a jet s ski that saw me freaking out and like came over and got me and like grabbed me and like dragged me in. So I wasn't, Oh my gosh. Deep water. But yeah. Yeah, that's the kind of shit like that. That always scares me like that kind of stuff where like you get in the water and you just go a little bit too far and you don't know what to do.
00:06:39
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um And that's yeah. Yeah. But other than that, like the beach always holds a special place in my heart because, you know, we did go to the dunes like all the time when I was a kid. and it's so beautiful. Yeah. Like it's just a like who doesn't like to be at the beach, you know?
00:06:52
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I will say like as I like am older, um i have like some stipulations about the beach. what i Like I have to have a chair or like a lounger or like like ah something like that. Like I don't like just sitting on a towel anymore. Like the the sand, the sand is just too much for me. Like anymore. like well and back support is good.
00:07:13
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Yeah. And like, I mean, listen, am I going to choose a pool over the beach every day? Yes. um yeah I mean, a pool is just cleaner. There's no animals, hopefully, the water.
00:07:25
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But like, yes, I've been to some of the most beautiful beaches in the world. So I can't really like complain about the beach. like yeah um But there is something about like... what's lurking right below the surface that does freak me out. And I think that that's all from movies and, you know, entertainment that we saw. But like, unlike you, like i was like a natural at swimming. I don't know how to like I don't know how to put it, but like my I i distinctly remember we we literally lived at the beach. We we had a trailer that backed up to a lake and
00:07:59
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And, um, my, uh, step grandparents at the time had beachfront where they had like a raft in the, in the deep end of the lake. Sure. Um, and like, I just, I was just a natural, like I got thrown in from a very young age and I just like went for it. And, I was, I was, uh, gracious enough to have uh, other grandma who lived in a, um,
00:08:23
Speaker
what do you call those? Like not like a planned community, but she lived like a townhouse community that had like a group pool. You know what i mean? Yeah, sure. And so like, I don't like a subdivision kind of thing. Yeah. And so every summer I would go and stay with her for like a month and go swimming in the pool for like a month. And so I don't know, like there's something about the water that just calls to me. i don't know if that's the Scorpio in me or not, but like,
00:08:48
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For instance, I don't really consider it a vacation unless I'm near water. Like, you know what I mean? And that can be a beach. That can be a pool. That can be a hot tub. I don't really care. just like need it to include like being able to swim.
00:09:00
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Makes sense. Yeah. I get that. So yeah, that's the beach. The beach is awesome. And the beach is scary because there's always the, the God, I can't even tell you the amount of people that I've heard that have either like in your situation almost drowned or yeah for we had or had ah ah a sibling or a family member that got taught like ah tied up in seaweed and drowned or it's a very scary place. Yeah. If you get caught in a riptide or something like that stuff is it's serious. And like,
00:09:31
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You know, like you, I've been to some of the the most beautiful beaches in the world, like especially and on all my trips to Hawaii. I mean, my fucking God, beaches Oahu are, they're incredible because most of them are are sand beaches as opposed to some of the other islands where they're where they're like volcanic beaches. yeah Yeah. And like all the time that I've that i've spent on those beaches, like...
00:09:52
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I'm really careful now, you know, yeah I go in the water where it's shallow, but like mostly, you know, like you have got some stipulations to either to have some back support. That's a, that's a good thing at this age.
00:10:02
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um I like to have some snacks with me, you know, have some water. I got to have little cheese if you And maybe a little drink too, you know, hanging out with a little drink. That's not bad. um But you know, like it's for, for me, I think going to the beach now is more just kind of like hanging out on the sand.
00:10:17
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I like that. yeah And just like, cause it's, it's a place where you should hopefully like put your phone away, read a book, maybe Oh my God, maybe please. Yeah, maybe, please, please. Yes, maybe put on some music and just like chill out. Like just chill out.
00:10:31
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And actually I'm really, i'm really happy. i'm i'm going on a road trip this week. I'm i'm finally taking a bit a vacation, Andrew. where I'm not going to do any work, period, cool at all, none. And I'm going on this road trip. John, ah you know, John, my friend, our friend John is going to be here. We're doing this week-long road trip to ah the Ring of Kerry.
00:10:50
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And there are three sand beaches that I'm very excited to go to. So I'm looking forward to where I will do just that. is So I guess so my question for you being over there is, but ah does the water get warm or is it just always cold because it's the ocean? i guess like where you are.
00:11:08
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i mean, i don't, the water in Ireland is never going to be like, it's never going to be the Caribbean. Like that's, that okay that's just never going to happen. Like it definitely gets warmer, but like also to be fair, like I haven't done a whole lot of sea swimming. So like, and I i have done it, believe it or not, which is kind of, kind of cool for me. I got, i have to say, um but like um I haven't done it very often and not a lot like in the summer and not on the West coast.
00:11:33
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So I don't know. I don't know how it's going to be out there. I can tell you in Wicklow when I did it it was um It was very refreshing, is what I would say. Chile. Very refreshing. Yes. but Because I know here in Chicago that we don't go into Lake Michigan until mid-July. like That's like when the water gets warm.
00:11:56
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like Have you been in the lake recently? No. um'm Not recently. i don't i don't really go to the beach here in Chicago, if I'm being honest. I don't know. I just i prefer a pool these days. um But i i I did go into the ocean when I was in Curacao in February, and that was lovely. Nice. like So...
00:12:18
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yeah I went in in Croatia when when we were on that boat I was talking about earlier. um One thing that was interesting about about the water there is that it seemed a lot saltier than ocean water than it used to. Like it was it was just different. Like it was like really salty. And even my nephew was like, damn, that's salty ass water.
00:12:37
Speaker
Would that be the same sea that I went into in Greece or is that different? you're well I guess I'm trying to remember remember where I'm at in the world. They would feed into each other. Greece is more Mediterranean and and while while Croatia is more Adriatic.
00:12:53
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But I mean, but they, you know, they're both right next to each other. based i mean, was Greece really salty? yeah Yeah, I mean, i I only went into the water one day. we went to like a beach club and um it was it was more of a volcanic beach like that kind of like dark sand beach, which is not really like sand. If I'm if I i know they like to call it like black sand, but it's actually like gravity. Yeah. But yeah, but it does wonders for your feet and the calluses. Oh, yeah. do I love it. Should we talk about some of the horrors of the beach?
00:13:26
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Yes. I just I'm worried I'm going to get scared of the beach. But yes, go ahead. It's OK. Tell me everything. um I don't know if you've ever experienced this, but did you ever get swimmers itch as a kid?
00:13:38
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to be honest, I don't really know what that is. So swimmers itch is an allergic reaction to parasites that burrow into your skin. Great. Can't wait to go to the beach next week. This is going be awesome. Yes. Parasites. Love it.
00:13:52
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So swimmers itch is usually found in freshwater lakes because it comes from animal waste. It comes from like ah geese, ducks, muskrats, like those kind of like animals that live in water. let's yeah let's be honest. Yeah.
00:14:07
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um And then when the the the animal in the animal's waste is parasites and the young parasites hatch and they live and grow in a type of snail that lives in shallow water. These snails then release the parasites into the water where they can infect humans.
00:14:23
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So it's not something that's contagious from like person to person. Like you can't pass it from person to person. It's not like poison ivy or, or, you know, poison oak or something like that. Sure. um But I definitely remember this as a kid.
00:14:37
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it and it shows up as kind of like large, like splotchy rashes, like on mostly on like arms and legs is like usually where you see it the most. I mean, like maybe, i maybe I had that when I was a kid and I just, to I just didn't know it. I don't know.
00:14:51
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and I just remember that it happened a lot like in the early season of summer. So like when you would go swimming in lakes that haven't been swum in for a while and like things haven't been things haven't been like, um like churned up, you know what I mean? Like how people like go in their boats and they turn up the water and like.
00:15:09
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So like when it gets fresh like that, it's been living in the water. And I was always told like, you know, make sure you dry off really well when you get out of the water, because that's like, you can, you can literally wipe it off. Like it's just, ah ah it's just a parasite. Like you can get it off of you, but I
Childhood Water Adventures
00:15:27
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definitely had this like many, many times as a kid. And it freaked me out every time because like you never knew like, oh, I'm just going for a beach day. And then I'm going to come home and get this horrible rash that hurts and scratches. like i wonder. um
00:15:42
Speaker
there There was this awful lake that was by us in Hobart. It was called Robinson Lake. And it was like a city beach park kind of thing. Gross. and and Yeah, exactly. And Robinson Lake was like a fake. It was like ah an artificial lake like a man-made lake oh yeah and it was like thinking back on it now like what a gross fucking place and like they used to find like dead cows and shit in there because like awesome like cows are just like wandering to it for some reason and like i can only and like you know like like like you were saying here like geese and all the other fucking shit like like literally shit but there was probably so much of that in there i'm sure swimmer's itch was was a part of that it had to have been
00:16:19
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Yeah, it was definitely like a big thing. just because like there's There's a big difference between like the ocean and lakes. like And I don't know how to describe that to people that don't live around lakes like we did. Because like Michigan, literally, I think there's a statistic that you can't go more than six miles without running into fresh water. like It's yeah's crazy.
00:16:39
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um And so like we just grew up always going to the beach. I mean, we had a um We had a creek where I lived when I was a teenager and we would literally jump off of the, uh, the, what you call that? You know, the thing that goes under the road, like, um, like metal tube that goes under the road, like the water. What I can't think of what it's all called.
00:17:01
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This always got, this is like, this is basically if we had a blooper reel of us saying, what's that word? What is it called? I don't remember. It would be a very long blooper reel. Yeah, seriously. But we anyway, we had one of those on our property and we would jump off of it and we would ride tubes through it. And it was it was crazy. But like a like a drainage, do you mean like something like that?
00:17:20
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Well, it's just to let the creek go under the road. What is that fucking drainage? It's just called like a column, not a colander, like something like that, though. We'll think of it by the end of the episode. But um we but so I've always grown up by water, but I didn't ever think about what things live in the water or live particularly in the sand well we'll see see about the water thing that is one of the reasons why i yeah and you know this but other people might not that is one of the reasons why i am terrified of going in the ocean is is the ship that's in the ocean like it's crazy there's gonna be a shark there's gonna be a jellyfish there's gonna be a fucking like thing that like kills me like i am that is one of my worst fears is that Well, did you know that that sand dollar that we found on our one trip, that's actually a creature?
00:18:07
Speaker
What? That's not that's not just like a sand thing. Are you telling me that there's not that it's not real money? Is that what you're trying to tell me right now? I can't specifically tell you that for sure. Oh, my God. my God. So wait, what is this creature? Tell me.
00:18:23
Speaker
So it's like an, ah well, it belongs in the, in the isopod. So there's a lot of these kinds of things, you know, think of like roly polies, like those kinds of creatures, but they like, they, the the sand builds up around them and that's how the sand dollar is created. Oh, it's so weird. I didn't know that.
00:18:41
Speaker
Yeah, your fiancé at the time destroyed that sand dollar. that's um That's not the only thing he destroyed, you recall. All right, so thinking it thinking of things that live in the sand, because I think people don't really think about like what's right under the surface as you're just laying innocently on the beach. And I hope you're listening to this on your vacation and you're thinking about what's right under you in the sand. Yeah.
00:19:10
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But um in the high tide, so we like I said, we have isopods, which are roly-poly's who kind of burrow in the sand. um There's obviously beetles. This is the flightless species.
00:19:22
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And then there's things called bee choppers, which I had never really heard of. What the a bee chopper? it's It's kind of like a mix between a beetle and an isopod. So it kind of burrows in the damp sand um around high tide. That's interesting.
00:19:35
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Yeah. And then in the water table, so that's kind of like, if you think about the water table, it's kind of like where the ah the tide kind of comes in and out.
00:19:46
Speaker
So it's got constantly wet, but it's not... all like You know what I mean? It's not underwater all the time. That's where bloodworms live. Oh, a bloodworm.
00:19:57
Speaker
What the fuck, man? Jesus. um And then there's also scavengers that live there. And then, of course, which we've I think we've all seen are sand crabs and clams. We saw a lot of crabs on our one vacation that we went to.
00:20:13
Speaker
um on that island off of Nicaragua, right? I think. You mean, oh no, you mean Roatan off of Honduras. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. Oh, God. There were crabs everywhere. They were funny, too. Like they were. Yeah, they just.
00:20:26
Speaker
And they are. if If you had your shoes outside, you have to like check your shoes because there's probably going to be a crab in there. They love shoes. They are funny little animals that how they just kind of like dance back and forth.
00:20:38
Speaker
I mean, crabs are like like for for how fierce they look. They are kind of cute. You know what i mean? Like they're kind of cute looking. and I wish that they were cuddly or I'll be honest. Do you like, okay, so here's my other question about kind of like the beach and like going like exotic places and food and that kind of, do you like seafood or like, where do you, where do you stand with like that kind of ah meal?
00:21:00
Speaker
Yeah. I, I actually love seafood and um it just, it just sort of depends like um it just depends on like how far we're going with the seafood.
00:21:11
Speaker
Like, yeah, I will eat most things, um but there are some things that like I just won't eat. And um like, like for example, there, ah there was, ah i believe it's closed now. And for the life of me, I cannot think of the fucking name of this restaurant right now, but it's like,
00:21:32
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It's oh Noma. Noma. um Noma in in Copenhagen. um It's like the most famous restaurant in the world. And and they they do these crazy menus and they were closing.
00:21:42
Speaker
and my friend Mike ah had had seats for like like the final months of this restaurant. And he invited me to go along to Copenhagen. and And I really thought about it. I promise there's a point to the story. I really thought about it for a while because i was like, God, what an experience. like I'll probably never get to do something like this again. like That would be really would be very expensive, but like it would be very, very cool.
00:22:01
Speaker
And then he told me what the, um, what the menu was going to be. And it was all seafood. And I was like, uh, like if this were like, if it were all meats, I would probably do it.
00:22:13
Speaker
But seafood, it's like, if like, if there's sea urchin, I won't eat sea urchin. If there's like this crazy fish that is just like super raw and very, very fishy, I'm probably not going to like that.
00:22:26
Speaker
So uh, I don't want to do this spend all that money on a meal that I'm going to be like not happy with. You know what i mean? Um, but like I, you know, I live like Ireland has some of the best seafood in the world. The oysters here are incredible. The muscles are wonderful.
00:22:39
Speaker
All the fish here is really, really good and very fresh. And you know, there's crab and there's this and there's that. So like in general, yeah, I, I love seafood. It's just like the more exotic stuff that I, I just can't like like sea urchin. Once again, I just, I cannot fucking eat sea urchin. I think it's so fucking disgusting.
00:22:54
Speaker
Yeah, i I think for me, like ah seafood is never going to be my first choice. Sure. Yeah, but I am adventurous with eating, so I will try most things. But like, I'm going to tell you this like right now. and and And this is like what gets me like it gets me sometimes mad with some of my friends is like once I try something, if I don't like it, you you don't have to keep wanting me to try it.
00:23:20
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Like if I don't like it, I'm just I'm just going to know that I don't like it. like yeah because i even like do that shit also you're an adult like if you don't like it who cares it's like it's no big deal you know what i mean yeah um so like i don't know and and with a lot of seafood if i don't think about it too much i can do it but like if i start to get in my brain too much about like what i'm eating like a lobster or like like crab for instance like if i if if it comes in its own body then I start to freak out a little bit.
Seafood Preferences and Fears
00:23:50
Speaker
Yeah, it's fair. It's like, I really love crab. And like, I do like soft shell crab.
00:23:54
Speaker
um But like, soft shell crab is never going to be like my first choice because it it just, it looks like a crab. but You know, it looks like a fucking crab. And I'm like, oh, I'm eating a crab.
00:24:05
Speaker
But then like, I mean, like, God, think about the beautiful lobster rolls that we had when we were yeah in Massachusetts. Oh my Put it in a crab cake. Oh, crab cakes, get it going. Or like um here in Ireland, like there's this place called Fish Shop. It will probably be the best fish and chips you ever have in your fucking life. They're so fucking good.
00:24:23
Speaker
And like, I think that's like my mom used to make um salmon patties when we were growing up. Oh, my God. They were you you probably won't like them, but they know they are like heaven. like I can taste that in my mouth right now. So, so good. I love that so much.
00:24:41
Speaker
That's see, that's one of the ones like I wish I liked salmon because I know like you don't like salmon at all. No, it's just not for me. Yeah, fair enough. Same same with, like, tuna. Like, I just don't like tuna. um but so Tuna is, like, one of those things where it's, like – we've turned this episode into episode about seafood. and Listen. It's our show. We can do what we want.
00:25:02
Speaker
Like, tuna is – it's such an interesting fish because there's so many ways that you have it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love a good, fresh, like really nice red tuna steak.
00:25:15
Speaker
You know what i mean? Like a sushi tuna. Like a sushi grade tuna. Like, oh my God, it melts in your mouth. It's so good. And then like, you know, every now and then, yeah, a little canned tuna for a tuna fish sandwich. I don't mind it.
00:25:26
Speaker
You know, like it's, it's this wacky how it really is so many different ways to, to consume this thing. No, I will say like they there are certain foods that I wish I liked and tuna is definitely one of them.
00:25:40
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um Salmon is definitely one of them because I know the nutritional benefits of those fishes and like it's just not for me. You know what though? I'll tell you this. Watch watch some documentaries about salmon farming and you're gonna you're going to be just fine where you are. Okay. Oh my God. I wish I had never watched one in my life. Oh Jesus.
00:26:00
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All right, we're going back to the beach and we're going talk about one more thing and then you have a story for us. Yes. um ah there's There's one more thing that every 80s child feared.
00:26:12
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And that was quicksand. No, not children.
00:26:20
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Oh, no, it was quicksand. We saw it in every movie. um Every adventure. Quicksand was a very common element in films when we were growing up. It's actually kind of funny when you think about it.
00:26:34
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Yeah, i'm I'm thinking of The Princess Bride. oh um I'm thinking of probably Indiana Jones at some point. think Romancing the Stone, I'm pretty sure, had yeah it in there. Like, yeah, so much of it.
00:26:47
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So quicksand is a ah granular material of sand, silt, or clay and water. It forms in saturated loose sand.
00:26:58
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And when sand is suddenly agitated, so it can literally happen anywhere. do you know how escape quicksand? I know that you you're not supposed to struggle. Right.
00:27:09
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So the best way to do it is if you can find like a stick or ah some sort of like a solid thing that you can kind of pull yourself up on like very slowly. But yes, yeah you you're totally right. You're not supposed to struggle in it.
00:27:23
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um So do you know, in as far as the U.S., do you know where quicksand is most prevalent? Yeah. oh Oh, um, in the south. Yeah, you're partially right. Um, so Florida and the Carolinas are risky. Yeah, Florida probably.
00:27:39
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Because of the marshiness of the coasts. Um, we had something similar to quicksand up where I live, but it was called Yeah. God, gross. And it was more like um mud, but you would like, I've lost a shoe to it.
00:27:54
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Like it sucks you in. um But also in the U S parts of Utah, New Mexico and Arizona have clay filled waters that mix to kind of do a similar thing as quicksand. So if you're living in any of those States, beware the quicksand, but if you're anywhere else, probably not a big
Ghost Stories and Nature Reflections
00:28:14
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deal. So don't worry too much about it.
00:28:16
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Well, Andrew, and I think that you have a little story to tell us about ah a certain woman of the dunes. Yeah. And look, I hope that you don't hit any quicksand when you go to the beach. I'm in Illinois. We don't have it here. and Just, you know, just be careful, you know.
00:28:31
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um Yeah. So listen, um I was thinking about like, you know, what sort of ghost ghostly stories from the beach could find or whatever. um And one that I remembered growing up with was Diana of the Dunes. So this is one that is from um from Indiana Dunes from the Indiana Dunes National Park.
00:28:47
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And, um, I took a story from a really cool website that I found. I've never seen it before. It's called notebook of ghosts.com. And so I will be reading this just directly from, from the author who wrote it. Um, cool and if you've not, uh, if you're like me and you also haven't seen this website before, you should check it out. It's a really cool little website.
00:29:07
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Um, and this is from a long time ago. The person that wrote this, uh, wrote it 2016 God's sake. ah But it is it's really cool. And they have some great photos in there, too. And um a great little like newspaper clipping um from from 1925 about the real Diana of the Dunes.
00:29:25
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And so I'll go ahead and read this to you now. And here it is. So go to it. There it is. And. um
00:29:34
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Besides nearness to Chicago and its beauty, its spiritual power, there is between the Dune country and the city um a more than sentimental bond, a family tie.
00:29:47
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To see the Dunes destroyed would be for Chicago the sacrilegious sin which is not forgiven. And that is a quote from Alice Mabel Gray, who would later be known as Diana of the Dunes.
00:30:01
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At the top of Indiana and bounded by Lake Michigan is Indiana Dunes at National Park. The rolling sands are a destination for Hoosiers during the summer and also the home of a spirit called Diana.
00:30:14
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In the early 20th century, a mysterious woman moved to the dunes for solitude. She was seen skinny dipping in the waters of Lake Michigan. She was also known as an avid hunter.
00:30:25
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Locals called her Diana after the Roman goddess of the hunt and nature. In more recent times, people have reported seeing naked spectral woman running along the shore and disappearing into the water.
00:30:39
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They say it's the ghost of Diana. Diana was actually a woman named Alice Mabel Gray, who was originally from Chicago. She was well-educated, cultured, and a feminist.
00:30:50
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She loved nature and searched for a simpler life. According to an article in the Chesterton Tribune, Gray was a highly educated, soft-spoken, and cordial woman who had a deep love for the Indiana Dunes.
00:31:03
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At the age of 16, she enrolled in the University of Chicago, where she studied mathematics, astronomy, Greek, and Latin, and where she was named a Phi Beta Kappa Honor Society member.
00:31:13
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Upon her graduation, she studied in Germany at the University of Göttinger, where she was introduced to a movement called Vondervogel, or Birds of Passing. This movement was said to be a walking commune as it involved young people giving up their material possessions to live off the land in nature.
00:31:32
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She worked in Chicago after her return as a literary magazine editor, but was not satisfied with city life. In 1915, she moved to the Dunes for a different environment.
00:31:42
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The Dunes was a popular area for writers and artists, but Gray lived there all year round in an old hut. Gray spent her days writing about the dunes, giving children tours, and studying wildlife.
00:31:56
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Unfortunately, the media liked to interrupt her solitude and also take liberties with the subject matter. And here's a quote from the Chicago Tribune. Sadly, by contrast, several newspaper men writing about her took the great liberty with the subject matter.
00:32:08
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They turned Grey into a mythical figure of sorts, referring to her as Diana, writing flowery accounts about her life in the dunes and focusing more often than not on the fact that she was seen, at least once, swimming nude.
00:32:21
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She was described in the varying accounts as a bronze goddess, a water nymph, and an idyllic gal who often roamed the dunes naked. According to the Tribune, she wrote for ah she wrote an article for the newspaper about a day she spent out in civilization.
00:32:36
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She watched a movie, took a stroll, and had a fancy meal in a restaurant. Gray, like a true naturalist, lamented the millions spent on the pier, yet the lack of funds to preserve the dunes.
00:32:46
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She concluded the article by saying, silence and darkness out there are what I love. I must go back to them at once. She would appear in the news again, but for more controversial reasons. Around 1920, she became associated with a man named Paul Wilson, a man that was allegedly hot-tempered.
00:33:02
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No one knows for sure if they were married, but they lived together. In 1922, they got wrapped up in a Prohibition-era mysterious homicide. Wilson got in a brawl with another man and was shot in the foot.
00:33:14
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Gray somehow fractured her skull, an injury that sent her to the hospital. Gray was out of the news until her death in 1925. She died of uremic poisoning.
00:33:24
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Some versions say she died in Wilson's arms and that she asked him to cremate her body and spread her ashes over Mount Tom, which is the highest, one of the highest dunes in in in the national park.
00:33:35
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She allegedly said to Wilson, I love the great silent darkness up there, the silence that lives in the noise of winds and water, the darkness that finds itself in the fleeting eternal waves of those reaches of sand.
00:33:47
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The only reality of life for me is there. The Chicago Tribune said it was too costly. She is buried in Oak Hill Cemetery in Gary, Indiana, but her spirit still roams the Indiana Dunes National Park.
00:34:06
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Nice. I like it. um I don't like that she um fell to a man. Not great. I know. She really had it together.
00:34:19
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She had it together like right up until then. you know what i mean? yeah Which was a show. Men ruin everything. They do. i The end. The end makes me mad when they're like, oh, I just want this. And I just want to be scared.
00:34:31
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Too. costly yeah for real scatter ashes yeah talking about like just like dude she's dead you just gotta get her burned and then get the ashes man that's all you have to do it's ridiculous but yeah i i truly aspire to be like this person and to just live without technology and to live in the in nature and like Oh, what a, what a beautiful way to live. However, not achievable.
00:34:57
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Any i wish, I wish, you know, i I was, I was, I saw this great meme last week of like what it was like to be a nineties kid. And like, yeah, I can't remember remember exactly what it said, but it was like, one of the things that was really cool was that like, you just like had to wait for things.
00:35:15
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You just like, you just, you just had, you that was just how life was. You just had to wait. And now like the idea of waiting for anything, anything is like impossible for us. You know what mean? Yeah.
00:35:26
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And I think that's, that's one of the things, look, I'll bring it back around. Like, that's one of the things that like the beach can maybe do for us. Like, yeah, we said some scary things about the beach, but also like, man, like I said earlier, put your fucking phone away at the beach. And frankly, go to the coast. One of my stipulations, Andrew, about the beach or a pool for that matter is you,
00:35:44
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fucking no photos bitch you leave the photos out of this i don't want them get get get away from me if the shirts are off the cameras are gone that is it like so yeah put your phone down i don't want you to take a fucking picture of me or of yourself frankly like let's just enjoy this beautiful amazing thing that like is on this beautiful body of water let's just sit here and and chill out man you know and you know what else you know what else i i want to say one more thing and i'm going to bring it back back around to being gay right go ahead um is I really appreciate how even straight men these days are not afraid of wearing the short shorts because gone are the days of the or long short long shorts, which I hated the board shorts. God, board shorts were not good.
00:36:28
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Legs are meant to be out. They're legs, man. Let them free. I don't care the gays are in between. the Know how to use them. That's right, baby. Well, listen, Andrew, I think that does it for our Horror in Real Life segment.
00:36:43
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Why don't we take a break here and we'll be right back with what you've been watching, bitch.
00:36:50
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Let's all go to the lobby, let's all go to the lobby, let's all go to the lobby to get ourselves a treat.
00:37:01
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You know it's time. It's time for that time where we talk about what we've been watching, bitch. What you been watching, you beachy bitch. Yeah, so put down that and beach read and get ready for some stuff you want to watch on a screen. Hell yeah.
00:37:20
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That rhymed on accident, but whatever.
Titan Submersible Documentary Analysis
00:37:23
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Well done. Well done. All right. So, Matty, tell me, what have you been watching, bitch? I've watched some good stuff. I'm not going to lie. um I'll start from the bottom. um This one was on Netflix, Andrew. um It is called Titan.
00:37:38
Speaker
And this is about that submersible um that went down in the ocean to go look at the fucking Titanic. Oh, the voteed billionaire people? Yes. Right. um You know, look, this is um I did find that story really fascinating. And and this documentary, not retelling. Yeah, no, no, no. Documentary.
00:37:58
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um And and it's it's just recently out. um I that whole story to me was fascinating because it is just like such a clear. Example of like of, you know, this big idea of a man's hubris just completely taking over somebody.
00:38:18
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And when everyone is telling them that they're wrong, they insist that they are correct. They insist that they are correct to the point that they try to ruin other people's lives.
00:38:32
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And so like, I, I, ah you know, look, this is one that's like, I don't, I don't ever want to watch it again, but if you have an interest in the story at all, I do recommend it. Um, because you learn a lot more about what, uh, spectacular,
00:38:48
Speaker
Douchebag and son of a bitch. The guy that owned that company was like truly a fucking megalomaniac, fucking abuser weirdo. and and And I think it's, you know, especially if you're in business or if you're a leader, I think it's really important to watch it because I think, you know, as ah as, as a leader who takes leadership really seriously and who always tries to be better I always think it's good to study bad leaders.
00:39:15
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And this guy was a was a a colossally terrible leader. um Ignored data, made up data, um shuffled things behind the corner, um threatened to ruin people's lives. Truly like threatened to ruin their lives.
00:39:29
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Sued people to just to like get the litigation going and keep them tied up. Hmm. Sounds like someone else in leadership. Exactly. And, um and then, and then completely ignored all the, all the things that he knew about safety to put other people in danger.
00:39:43
Speaker
And like, you know, look, I think when, when the Titan thing happened and, you know, people were like, oops, there's some dead rich people at the bottom of the ocean. Like, I'm always like, man, man, there was that There was a kid on that.
00:39:54
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You know what I mean? that There was a teenager. And like, you know, look, how people make money, they make money. And like some people have more of it. Some people have less of it. That's just, it's going to be that way forever, man. So like if people want to spend their money on going to look at the Titanic, I don't care.
00:40:07
Speaker
Spend your money doing that. that's That's fine. It's like me spending money on a fucking, I don't know, a book, whatever. Fine. Whatever gets you off. But the fact is the dude that was running it was a piece of shit and knew the danger. He knew the danger and he put innocent people in that danger.
00:40:24
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And i it's, it's insane. It's absolutely insane. And, um, I hope the afterlife is not an easy one for him. I don't, I don't know what else to say. So yeah, like I said, this is not one i I need to watch again, but like, if you are interested in the story, I do recommend watching it because you, you learn a lot of new stuff.
00:40:42
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Cool. um um i don't I don't think that's for me, but that's fine. i but I'm glad that you found some... like Like I said, if you're interested in the story... Right, right, right. Then you will be into it. Yeah. I'm glad that you found some intrigue in there. um Because i i kind of knew a little bit about that guy. And I...
00:40:59
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Whatever. like yeah If you're, ah if you're aligning with somebody like that, I mean, I don't blame the kid, but all the people around him that empowered him to do that, whatever. well no no No, no, no, no, no. I'll take it back. Like, that's just the thing is I think at at the start of it.
00:41:12
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Yeah. But at the end of it, there was nobody empowering him. Truly. yeah He was the one that was that was pulling all the strings. And that's what's interesting about this is that he really was kind of like alone by the end of it. And he still made it all happen. It's it's it's fucked up. It's absolutely crazy.
Reviewing Recent Shows and Films
00:41:30
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Stupid people. Stupid, stupid people. um All right. My first one is currently as of I mean, I literally watched this last night um is The Woman in the Yard. um Are you familiar with this movie? It was in theaters not too long ago. I haven't. To be honest, I haven't even heard of it.
00:41:48
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So this is a this a movie is about um three people, ah a woman and her two kids who have just suffered a tragedy. And they're kind of like just like living out in the country like they they they bought a house that her and her husband bought a house to fix up.
00:42:04
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Sadly, he passes in an accident. And this is kind of like the ah just like what happens after. Yeah, essentially. um And so they're kind of out in the country and they wake up one morning and their electricity is off because the mom hasn't paid her bill.
00:42:19
Speaker
And all of a sudden there's a woman cloaked in black sitting in their yard, just like literally sitting in their yard. And the kids are like, who is that woman? And she's like, I have no idea. And just the rest of the movie is just about that. Like it's the it's just about like what why that woman is there, what she represents and kind of go from there. I'm not i don't want to give anything away.
00:42:40
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um I was into this for like the thirty first 30 minutes. Yeah. i think that they... i don't want I don't want to blame this on the filmmakers, but that this is just what I took away from it.
00:42:52
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I don't know if they got jumbled up in their own messaging because what I took away from the movie was really not... I didn't like it. I thought it was a waste of my time, if I'm being honest. Yeah. um i i I encourage other people to watch it and maybe take something else away from it. but Because it's only like 87 minutes. it's not a long movie. Okay. um But i just thought it was a...
00:43:17
Speaker
I think that they don't know what they're trying to say. and I did not like it quite a bit. I actually hated it. Oh God, it sucks. um i I'm glad that I gave it a chance, but it's just not for me. I hope other people take something else away from it.
00:43:34
Speaker
Nice. i' i'll I'll talk to you about it afterwards, but yeah um it's it's very near and dear to my life. And I did not appreciate how they handled the, the, what they had on screen.
00:43:45
Speaker
Wow. Wow. My next one is a different man. Yeah. This is a really incredible movie. um I don't think we've anyone has ever seen anything quite like this one, to be honest. um ah To give you this the synopsis of it from Letterboxd, it's, aspiring actor edward undergoes a radical medical procedure to drastically transform his appearance Oh, I remember this one now. Okay.
00:44:14
Speaker
But his new dream face quickly turns into a nightmare as he loses out on the role he was born to play and becomes obsessed with reclaiming what was lost. And so this is Sebastian Stan um and ah Renate, I don't know how to say her name exactly, but Renzfe, who if you saw the worst person in the world, she was in that, and which is a really, really great film.
00:44:39
Speaker
um And what's the other guy's name? Oswald. yet ah Adam Pearson is hit is his name. And um it's it's wild. it is Sebastian Stan um has ah has a a facial deformity um that is you know quite significant.
00:44:57
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um And you know as the synopsis there says, he undergoes a new procedure to get rid of it And it works so well that, I mean, obviously, you know, you know what Sebastian Stan looks like. He's a, he's a gorgeous man.
00:45:10
Speaker
It works so well, and right. That he becomes Sebastian Stan and there, and there he is. um And so he goes up for this role and while he's going for this role, another guy comes in to play the role that has the same facial deformity that he got rid of and it is this movie is bizarre it is beautiful it is haunting and it is really really good so i i highly recommend this it's it's a fantastic thing um i watched it on now or sky tv over here so it's probably on like i don't know hbo or something over there
00:45:45
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um It's wonderful. Can't recommend it enough. And this one, this one should have won a lot more awards in it than it was up for, for sure. Yeah, what ah what a crazy later-in-life career Sebastian Stan is having. Truly. So crazy. Truly, so good.
00:46:00
Speaker
All right, my next one is currently on Hulu, or if you are watching it on cable, I think it was premiering on FX Weekly, but um all episodes are on Hulu now. It's called Adults. This is a kind of a... The best way to put it is it's kind of like happy endings, like but new.
00:46:19
Speaker
for like Or like girls, but new. like a... It's like a group of fresh 20 somethings that are all, not and they're all living in, and or they're all living in New York City, but they're all living in the one kid's parents house.
00:46:34
Speaker
So like they all pay rent to like the parents of this one kid. um to live in their house while his parents are like globetrotting um and it's just about them like trying to figure out life and trying to like do what is popular now which is so different from when we were in our 20s like in our early twenty s like trying to figure it out but there's so much to like uh it's just it's really funny it's it's absurd i mean some of the situations they put themselves in of course it's it's a tv show but yeah
00:47:06
Speaker
that the Some of the things that they find themselves in is like, for instance, there's one day where a girl, one of the girls that is in the show, she ah finds herself, she's bleeding from her from her anus, essentially. My hand. Jesus. And so she goes to the hospital to try to figure out like what's going on because it's not her period. like It's coming out of her butt. Yeah.
00:47:28
Speaker
um But then like she gives power of attorney to one of like one of her friends while she's like under anesthesia. And like the doctor comes out and he basically is like, well, we didn't find anything by like you know doing you know ah up the rear.
00:47:42
Speaker
We can go down the throat. And he just... he He basically gives power to like have like all these tests done on her and then it runs her up like a $16,000 medical bill. and it she but But she was under anesthesia the whole time. So she has no idea. And it's just, listen, it's those kind of absurd, absurd things that happen to these people.
00:48:02
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ah But it is, it it's just really funny. I think if you can buy into like the absurdness of it, you'll really like it. Nice. um But I had fun with it. i watched, I think there's only eight episodes, but I had a lot of fun with it. So I definitely recommend and adults on hulu nice uh my next one is one that i think you've watched before and maybe even oh yeah um so i finally got around to watching the front room um and i i'm pretty sure i watched this on now as well uh over here oh doozy id this movie is in fucking state
00:48:38
Speaker
It's insane. I did not expect this. And like, you know, and like it's the thing like and and this happens sometimes like you or I will will mention a movie in this segment. And then like, you know a couple months later, one of us will watch it again. Yeah. yeah And so i I had forgotten all the stuff that you said, to be honest. But like I was like, OK, maybe time to watch this.
00:48:58
Speaker
So watching it, i number one, Brandy is great in this movie. Like Brandy. Brandy's so good in this movie. I thought she was wonderful. I really enjoyed her. um andrew burnap her husband he was good kind of cute um and then you've got katherine hunter and like katherine hunter has been around for a minute number one she's an incredible actress she's very very physical and if you have not seen the tragedy of mcbeth and this is the mcbeth that has um denzel washington and oh god who else is in it um uh francis mcdormand and a bunch of other stars brendan gleason all these people
00:49:35
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ah And and you you can watch that for free on, um, on, on Apple TV. Um, but in, in the tragedy Macbeth, which is Shakespeare's Macbeth, um, that same woman, Catherine Hunter, you are you know, in Macbeth, there's three witches. Are you familiar with this? Right. Right.
00:49:51
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So she actually plays all three of the witches at the same time. And she does this incredible physical fucking insane performance. It's, it's amazing. and know And so like watching her do this again, which this is another very physical performance for her. If you, if you think about it, she was, she was fucking incredible. She's so good and fucking evil as fuck.
00:50:14
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Evil as like I, this movie, So I, I loved it. I thought it was wonderful. And the ending end. Oh my God. Jesus Christ. Blinder.
00:50:26
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Um, I, of course we cannot say the ending. um but the ending shocked me to be honest. I was like, whoa what um so yeah look if you have not seen the front room yet and andrew i think you you you liked it right you did yeah i mean it is insane like yeah it's and i can't i i don't know if i'd say it's a good movie but i did like it quite a bit yeah there you go so yeah i i look we we both like this movie this is one that if you have not watched yet you need to watch it don't google it just watch the fucker and just go for it that's it
00:50:58
Speaker
it's it's ah It's a wild ride from yeah start to end. Oh, my God. If you're sensitive to shit comedy, I would be careful. Oh, my God almighty.
00:51:09
Speaker
All right. My next one is one that I have been meaning to watch and finally got around to because it's been out for a couple months and it's Women of the Hour. do you know about this one? ah No.
00:51:21
Speaker
So this is the retelling of the real story of about a woman that went on the dating game in the 70s and ended up picking a serial killer. Oh, my God.
00:51:33
Speaker
oh my god Yeah, and this is a true story. um Wow. and this And this is also Anna Kendrick's ah directorial debut. Wow. But she's also in the movie. um What I'll say about this movie is there's kind of two movies. There's like the story of ah Anna Kendrick who plays the woman that goes on the dating show. And she's kind of like a struggling actress in Hollywood. So she takes this gig to be on the dating show.
00:51:58
Speaker
um or The dating game, excuse me. And that's part of it. And then there's this other part where you kind of cut to segments of this guy who literally got away with killing.
00:52:11
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but but they They charged him with eight killings. But there had I think the at the end they said he but he may have been subject to no, like, 29 different killings that he did. Wow. Wow. And they never caught him because he was so like enigmatic and like, so like just in honestly, let's talk about the police force in the seventies that literally was useless unless they saw a crime happen right in front of their eyes. Like, you know what I mean? That is so wild.
00:52:38
Speaker
This, this movie is very um interesting because it, it waddles a line of like kind of being a little bit funny, like with like the dating game and all the stuff that happens there. But then all of there's like these vignettes of him meeting women,
00:52:53
Speaker
that are so visceral and so real looking that I, ah that and I'm not even lying, I had to look away. Like it, it got me a little, it got a little in my, in my head and it it really does make you, ah you know, and we'll never understand this as two men will never understand this, but the vulnerability of women,
00:53:14
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especially in the 70s, in the 60s, even into the 80s, before we had any sort of crime-solving thumbprints and ah you know genetics and all that stuff.
00:53:28
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know what it's I don't know what it's like to be a woman, but this movie does put you in that mindset of like, holy shit, it is so scary. It is so scary. So I definitely would encourage people to watch this. It's currently on Netflix. um I thought Anna Kendrick was ah not only great in the movie, but the way she directed the movie was really well done.
00:53:48
Speaker
And so if you haven't watched this movie yet, you would need to pull this one up because this one is a unique one, I think. Nice. Very cool. ah My final one is one that I'm very happy to talk about um because i loved it.
00:54:02
Speaker
I loved It was good. And it 28 years later. This is good to hear because I was a little nervous. Uh, so number one, you got to see this in the cinema.
00:54:14
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Okay. You have to go see it in the fucking theater. And, um, like, like always, it's not just because you are, um, seeing it on a big screen. It's also just because of like the state that the cinema puts you in, right? Your, your phone isn't out. You're not looking at this. You're not looking at that. You're watching the fucking movie.
00:54:32
Speaker
Do you know what Yeah. so like, i I think you, you need it for that, if especially on the, on the first experience. Um, yeah. uh there there's there's so much good about this movie i mean number one it's i i think it it it it might be danny boyle's like finest work i'm not joking it's it it is a beautiful movie absolutely it is so funny that we chose to do this episode and i forgot that danny boyle did the beach exactly then this movie came out so Yeah.
00:55:01
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And so like, look, this, this you know, ah this movie's got, um you know, it's very Danny Boyle. um You know there's there's weird things and there's stuff that comes out of nowhere. And there's this and there's that. And there's, you know, that he has his whole style.
00:55:13
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But his style has changed a little bit. And like this movie was it's it's like likell I'll tell you about this one part. Right. So like the the the basis of the movie, right, is that, OK, obviously it's it is now 28 years later and things have changed significantly and different pockets of of human beings are living in different ways.
00:55:33
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And there is this community of people um from England that are living on this little tiny island just off the mainland. And every day that the tide goes in and and goes out as it as it does.
00:55:47
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But when it when the tide is out, then there is a pathway that you can walk to the mainland. And when the tide comes in, then the the the the pathway is covered up. Right. And so they use that only to like go hunting or to go get timber or to like if they need to go like on some kind of fucking like let's go kill zombies mission kind of thing.
00:56:05
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And so that's what's going on. That's the basis of this. And it is, you know, there's, there's kids growing up that have never, you know, known anything else, but this life and there we go. It centers around one family as good horror movies do, um, a dad, a mom and a son.
00:56:20
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And the, the mom is very sick. Um, and the dad and the son, um you know, the son is like learning how to like, like become a man basically in this, in this whole, you know, new way of doing life.
00:56:31
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And, um, and the, the dad takes him on like his first big hunting mission, but like, he's maybe a little bit too young to go. So the community's worried about it. They don't know what to do, that kind of thing, but they go on it. And, and so they have to like cross this, this big path, right?
00:56:46
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There is this moment when they are coming back on the path at night where like Danny Boyle just paints the sky with the most beautiful stars and galaxies and all this stuff.
00:56:58
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And the water as they're going through it is just like, it's like full of light and and playfulness and dance. And it's just... I, I, I, it's, it's, it's, it's beautiful. I don't know what else to say, but there is a sequence in it.
00:57:13
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There is a sequence when Ralph Fiennes come in, comes into the movie. Um, and Ralph Fiennes is fantastic in this. There's a sequence. I'm not even going to tell you what it's about. You'll know what it is when it happens.
00:57:24
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Um, I was bawling in the theater, bawling in the theater for a fucking zombie movie. And the reason why is because this movie, like all good zombie movies, it's not about zombies.
00:57:37
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It's about us and how we decide to live when terrible things happen. That's what zombie movies are really about. That's what makes them good. That's what made night of the living dead. Good.
00:57:49
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It's what makes this one fucking phenomenal. It was literally, it was it was breathtaking. Like I can't, I can't say enough about it. So I hope that you, that all of you listening love it too. I really hope you do.
00:58:03
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Um, because I just thought it was stupendous. It was, it was, it was a Marvel for horror. I'll leave it all That's it. Yeah. I'm excited to see it. um I remember seeing the first one and really loving it. And then the second one, I kind of felt just like, I kind of felt like just middling about, I haven't watched it a long time. So maybe I need to go back, but um I re, I rewatched it before I saw this one. And like, yeah, yeah I'm the same as you, like 28 days later. Fantastic. Like it's a classic.
00:58:32
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And then, um and oh, and by the way, Killian Murphy's cameo in 28 years, you'll love it. But 28 weeks was just, Yeah, it's just, I don't know. Something about it doesn't work, but it also does work at the same time. I don't know.
00:58:45
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Yeah. Cool. Oh, my last one is currently on Amazon Prime. i binged it in all in one day because it was so effing hot last weekend that we just literally stayed inside the entire time.
00:58:59
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um It's called We Were Liars. It's a new show on Amazon Prime. It's eight episodes. They're all about 45 to 50 minutes. um And this is all about, let me let me sum this up the best way I can.
00:59:13
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um It's all about a family, like kind of like the Kennedy's, like very ah like a very rich family off of, you know, the East Coast. And they own an island um where they have like several houses on the island that each like kid basically owns. like ah And then by kid, I mean like 40 year old person that has kids. um But it's about like three generations of this family. and And the show opens with a girl on the beach.
00:59:43
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She's basically naked and ah just like laying on the beach, barely conscious. And that's how the show starts. And you're like, holy shit, what's this? And then you kind of go back in time and you like you learn about like their family dynamic. You learn about like what happens.
00:59:58
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And and it follows it follows their life through summers. So there's like summer six. summer eight summer 16 and like you just kind of like follow that and you slowly understand like what happened in the story and everything and um it's based on a book so it's kind of laid out in that very very way um I really liked it I will say i struggled during the first episode because there's a weird will they won't they thing that they try to do okay that like kind of goes on a little too long but then by the time you kind of get over that
01:00:31
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The story is very interesting and the dynamics of like this family are, o you see some stuff where you are like, Oh shit. Even if you're rich or poor these dynamics, uh, they go deep.
01:00:47
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um with families and i think that you will you will get what i'm talking about when you watch it um because i had a lot of this stuff where it was like stiff upper lip don't let anybody see your cracks type of stuff yeah and so i really liked it um the ending is very satisfying um in a weird way um but i i don't want to give anything away because it all hinges kind of on that on on what the outcome of the show is ah but i would definitely encourage people to watch this it's a little melodramatic um if if that's not your speed um but i i still liked it quite a bit because it reminded me of like reading a book which i really appreciated so nice very cool so folks that brings us to a close on
In-Depth Discussion of 'The Beach'
01:01:29
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what you've been watching bitch andrew brought us the woman in the yard on peacock adults on hulu woman of the hour on netflix and we were liars on amazon prime
01:01:40
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And Maddie brought us Titan on Netflix, A Different Man, which I think you can rent right now. The Front Room, which I know is on Max here or HBO Max, I guess they just changed it back to again. yeah yeah um And 28 Years Later, which is currently in cinemas.
01:01:57
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So folks, we'll take a quick a quick break here and we'll be right back with our first film of the episode, Beach. The Beach.
01:02:08
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He was looking for something new, a way to change his life.
01:02:15
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Hey, wanna come? You need somewhere to stay? No thanks. you afraid of something new? I guess there's urban myth going around here at the moment.
01:02:26
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It's about a beach. A secret beach. it's On an island that no one can get to. Somewhere, paradise must exist. I just feel like everyone tries to do something different, but they always wind up doing the same damn thing.
01:02:39
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One kilometer. Two. Richard? don't know. I'm thinking miles, not kilometers. I'm American. So? So let's go. On
01:02:58
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so much here to inspire....at the edge of the world. We can jump. We're not gonna jump.
01:03:13
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They found all they ever wanted. A paradise few have ever experienced. I don't suppose that there's any reason that you should spend time with me. What are you talking about? Making conversation.
01:03:27
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um do you have a girlfriend? like conversation a temptation like to come to the beach was they had never known
01:03:41
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and a secret um no one ever escaped
01:04:00
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Go home, forget this island. This is our hometown. We're not going back. May God take your soul. I will not die today!
01:04:16
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Ah, the sand, the sun, the water. It's the beach. Maddie, tell us all about the beach. Somewhere on this planet, it must exist.
01:04:27
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Richard, a young American backpacker in Thailand, discovers a mysterious map to a hidden beach paradise untouched by tourism. Upon finding it, he enters a secretive commune living off the grid.
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But the supposed utopia soon reveals darker truths as isolation, obsession, and violence begin to take hold. The Beach was directed by Danny Boyle, written by John Hodge, based on Alex Garland's novel, produced and distributed by twentieth Century ah Leo DiCaprio plays Richard.
01:05:02
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Tilda Swinton plays Sal. Virginia Ledian plays Francois. Guillaume Canet plays Etienne. And Robert Carlyle, always so good, plays Daffy.
01:05:13
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um But also always kind of the same, isn't He's always kind of playing the same thing. Anyways, this film is rated r It's 119 minutes long, a product of the UK and the USA. Released 11 February of 2000.
01:05:25
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Filmed in Kofifi Lee. Thailand, that is the name of the beach. Budget was $50 million, brought back $144 million, which actually seems kind of low now that I look at that number, but that's what it was.
01:05:38
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So look, this is not a first-time watch for either of us. um Andrew, tell me about your latest watch of The Beach. Yeah. So um I will say I had a mild obsession with this movie when I was a teenager. Sure. Specifically the soundtrack I definitely had on CD. a little Moby action in there. Yeah. um And so it was interesting going back to this, watching it, because I probably haven't seen it in 20 years. Like it's been a long time since I've seen this movie.
01:06:08
Speaker
So far, so far, in fact, that I forgot that danny this was Danny Boyle movie, like I said before. Sure. Um, ah the fact that I forgot that Tilda Swinton was even in this movie. Um, the fact that I forgot that Daffy, but the guy who plays Daffy is also in 28 weeks later. Like there's just like so many things that I noticed about it, watching it this time around.
01:06:28
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Um, overall, I still had a great time watching it. I will say it's a little tough to watch because the main character, when you really like think about Richard in like, like what he does and what he brings to the movie He's kind of just a big old dick. Like, I don't know. Like, he's not the easiest to like root for, if you will.
01:06:50
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Yeah. um Because he gets a bunch of people killed and doesn't pay any price for it. So like, we can talk about it as we get into the into specifics of the movie. But overall, I i think this movie is fucking beautiful. i think both our movies I think both of our movies today are filmed beautifully. Like,
01:07:08
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They're just like something very like bright and vibrant about both of these movies that I really loved and made me very happy to watch in the summertime and just like dream about going to either of these places, you know, sharks or not.
01:07:22
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But yeah. ah there's There's a couple of things I have some some minor grievances about that we'll talk about with it. But overall, I thought it was, you know, maybe a little long.
01:07:33
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But other than that, I thought it was really fun to go back and watch a 2000 movie. So what did you think? Yeah, I mean, um ah i ah I like the beach.
01:07:44
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um And i I like Danny Boyle, you know what I mean? So, like, it's not a surprise to me that this is the kind of movie that that that that just sort of um it just sort of tickles me the right way. In the same way that, like, Trainspotting does. Or in the same way the movie I just talked about does for 28 years later.
01:08:02
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Like, I like Danny Boyle. I think he's a really... bold director who is not afraid to take chances and make choices and do some really cool stuff. And, you know, one of the things that I really appreciate about Danny Boyle too, is that he's not afraid to get sentimental.
01:08:17
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And, um and he does that here and there in this. um And he does it in every movie he's ever made, to be honest. And like i I think there's something really admirable about that because I think and I really do mean this. I think that being, you know, sentimental or wearing your heart on your sleeve or that kind of thing.
01:08:34
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I think that takes courage because ah everyone like that's the kind of shit that people love to call cringe. do you know what i mean? so when people have have like the gumption to go for it, i I think that's that's actually really cool. And I think Danny Boyle does that.
01:08:47
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I think, you know, there are parts of this film that seem a little bit dated now. You know what i mean? Yeah. Yeah. um But like, that's natural. I mean, this, this came out 25 years ago, which is insane to think about. Like that's 25 fucking years of past since this came out.
01:09:00
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um I think that, I think Leo DiCaprio is in his like, you know, his twunk phase. You know what I mean? Like, Um, but I, you know, he's just sweet, cute Leo DiCaprio.
01:09:12
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Tilda Swinton as always is just, come on. She's so fucking good. like She's absolutely wonderful. And like I said earlier, Robert Carlyle, you know, for the, for the moments that he's in the movie, kind of plays the same thing that he always plays, which is a bit of like a crazy Scotsman basically.
01:09:27
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um But, yeah, I think um I think, you know, what you were talking about earlier, um you know, how Richard just kind of causes all these things to happen. Like, I think it's ah it's a really this movie is a good.
01:09:41
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um i don't want to say the word allegory because it's not an allegory. I think the lesson from this movie, one of the lessons that you could take from it. is you should be a better traveler. You should be a better tourist.
01:09:54
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You should be more thoughtful about what you do and the cultures that you encounter instead of constantly trying to make things bend towards you, right? And I think that's maybe what Richard learns at the end of this, maybe one of the things that he learns.
01:10:09
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um But I think that, you know, look, and this isn't, you know, I'm an American who lives abroad. You're an American. I'm not calling Americans out specifically because look, there are tons of other you know nationalities that go do stupid shit when they travel.
01:10:20
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But in particular, I think, you know, the people who get, you know, the the the worst reputation would be Americans and British people. And Americans do travel pretty shitty. Like they're just, they're constantly worried about like how things are going to be ah put right for them.
01:10:37
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And, and um that's, that's not the way that it should be. but that's that That's not how it, how it, how it should be at all. and Nothing should bend towards you. um I think that this movie has, um the only thing that, that kind of gets me about this movie is that I just think it meanders a bit.
01:10:54
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And like, yeah yeah, it just kind of like, it takes an awfully long time to get to where it's going. And the the Hill sequence specifically. Yeah. Just like, it's so long.
01:11:05
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And, and like, like I said, I like the movie, so it's not long in the way that I'm like, fuck me, this is ever going to be over. But it is long to the point where I'm like looking at my watch, like, man, how many minutes are left? Like what's, what's, where are we again? It's like that kind of thing.
01:11:19
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And i don't recall feeling that when I first watched it, do you recall feeling that way? No, I actually like I i i'd like i I talked about earlier, I was really obsessed with this movie for a while. So, yeah.
01:11:31
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So, I mean, like, you know, maybe that's just a function of age now. I don't know who knows. But I i just if I had to give it one criticism, like that would be it. It's just a maybe you could cut 20 minutes out of this thing. You'd be better.
01:11:41
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um But other than that, I mean, look at this. It's a phenomenal movie. um And and the the acting comes together really well. Some of the writing can kind of be a little silly now here and there. But I think it's also just like a product of the date now. It's just it's been a while.
01:11:55
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Dialogue has changed. Other than that, though, I thoroughly enjoyed watching it again. Yeah. So some of the things that like, I just, um, had some gripes with it this time around is just like the audacity of the story.
01:12:09
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Just like, yeah, this guy has like unlimited funds to just like beyond permanent vacation. Like, you know mean? Like he's just like, yeah, it must be nice, huh? Right.
01:12:20
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Like, and, And like the audacity of them just being like, we're just going to swim to the island. Okay. Okay. Like what? You're in Thailand. Yeah. um So that there's like some like kind of crazy things about that. And then like.
01:12:34
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Well, when you know just just so just to take it back there, though, it's but about swimming to the island. They know they're not supposed to go there. They've been told that. and that And that's the thing is like this idea that like we are we are privileged people, even if we don't realize it or we don't know it, and we can do whatever we want.
01:12:57
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We can do anything, including swim to an island that we know we're not supposed to go to. the the funniest thing about that was is The funny thing about that is is that the boat will take them to the island right in front of it, right but it won't take them to the other island, which is, I don't know, there's something in the writing there that I, maybe if I read the book, because I've never read Alex Garland's book, true yeah maybe it explains a little bit more, but like,
01:13:24
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there's like something weird there. They say it's like a national, ah like a national forest or something. um but I'm just like, but you still can't go there, but people work on there and they have a farm there.
01:13:36
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And I don't know, there's something weird in the writing there that it, that it kind of struck me at this time around. um And then just like Richard as a character drives me insane. Like I, and at listen, i I understand that that's like the point of the movie. In what way do you think?
01:13:52
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Because he causes all of this. Like he causes literally everything. He gets four people shot to death. Yeah. and then just doesn't care. Like, and then he goes, ah he goes home and he gets on his excite email and downloads the picture and everything's great for Richard while he just destroyed so many lives.
01:14:12
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Yeah. And maybe that's a product of 2000. That could be like a thing, but like, I don't, I don't really get like what we're supposed to learn about Richard. I get what we learn about literally every other character. Like I get, I get Etienne's character. I get Francois's character. I get Sal's character. Like I understand like what they're supposed to learn with Richard. It's just kind of like, Oh, so he's a privileged white guy.
01:14:37
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Like, you know what I mean? um I mean, I think, I think that's it at the end of the day. Cause I, I would agree with you on this, but I do think that that's maybe a lesson to take is like, don't be that guy. Like, don't, yeah um don't be that person. It's like, it's like,
01:14:49
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Um, uh, like, like I talked about Hawaii earlier. Right. And, and like, like, like a lot of other places where there's beautiful hiking and beautiful beaches, there's a lot of like the hikes that are, that say like, don't go on this. It's not safe. It's dangerous. Don't take people with you. What are you doing?
01:15:04
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Why are you doing this? Turn back. Turn back now. Turn back. Or like here in Ireland, it's like at the Cliffs of Moher, like, you know, any of the other cliffs for that matter. There are signs everywhere saying, don't go over this fence. If you go over this fence, you might be blown off the cliff by the very fast winds that we have here.
01:15:26
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And when you go to the cliffs, which, you know, what when you guys come, I'll take you there. You'll see like... It's it's insane. You will see people right in front of those signs stepping over that fence to take a fucking picture for Instagram.
01:15:39
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You know, like you can't. That's not what you're supposed to do. So don't fucking do it. There's a they're not putting the sign there to piss you off. They're not putting the sign there to make you feel bad.
01:15:52
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They're putting the sign there because it's dangerous or because you're going to hurt the thing that you are stomping on. So maybe don't do that. Like that's that's just so important. Yeah. um One thing I will say about this is, did you like i didn't maybe this is why I was kind of maybe obsessed with this movie when I was, you know, a teenager is do you not get like a bisexual energy from this whole movie?
01:16:16
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Yeah, I think it's I don't know if it's bisexual or more just like pansexual kind of thing. Like, I feel like, um, like everyone's sleeping with everyone on that one. Right. And I feel like like in a community like that, it's like that, like, how is that almost like not going to happen in a way?
01:16:33
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Like to, to the point, to if I'm being honest with you, we're like, oh, well, no, actually I'm, I'm thinking wrong about that. ah because like there there was a point when he when he comes back after all the Hill stuff and yeah and es and thats and not Etienne Francois is like hitting him it's because she didn't know who he was that's that's what that was about um but yeah I mean it's it's almost like when Francois gets mad at him about sleeping with Sal I'm kind of like you slept with him when you were with Etienne like right ah why are you pissed about that but it's it's bizarre and that sort of like business there like
01:17:08
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I think that morality shifts and it's not, it's not, it, it doesn't, it doesn't have the same rules because it kind of can't have the same rules. Well, even like, even in. That makes sense. Yeah.
01:17:19
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yeah yeah Yeah. No, I see what you're talking But even like in the like um penultimate moment where they're kind of like where, you know, Sal has the gun and she has to, you know, choose whether to pull the trigger on Richard or not.
01:17:30
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All the people like they cut to like the one guy who was like Christianity and cricket is all I care about. And he's like theyre the guy that's like next to him as they're like being scared. They're like clutching each other.
01:17:42
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And I'm like, there is something going on here with this sexually fluid area of the world, which I'm all for. i think everyone should be able to explore their sexuality as freely as they want to. course um And so I encourage that. But like, there was just something about this movie where like, it's, it's strange to me that Richard would pick the couple to like go on this, like ah this, this like a freewheeling adventure with.
01:18:09
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in what way? What do you mean? Um, because like you would think like a guy like Richard would just like find in another girl, like on the beach and like, you know, try to like woo her and like take her on this, but no, he chooses a couple. Yeah. Which is interesting. it's just like, it's just like he chooses an Island that he knows he's not supposed to go to.
01:18:27
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Yeah, this guy's a piece of shit. It's the same. It's the same kind of thing. He believes that he can bend and shape the world to be whatever he wants it to be.
01:18:38
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And so, you know, he looks at a couple and he's like, well, I'm going to fuck them up. And like, he's not going to say it. yeah He's not going to do it. It's it goes back to him lying to Sal. Like, oh, no, I i didn't give him a map. No, I didn't tell them anything. I didn' i didn't. I haven't done anything. I have nothing wrong here.
01:18:52
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didn't sleep with Sal. I didn't do that. I didn't do it. Even when he knows that Etienne knows that he slept with Francois. even Even when he knows it, he still lies. Richard is a liar who can't face the real world.
01:19:09
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And so he tries to escape it over and over and over again. And so you know at the end when he is you know just logging in a fucking internet cafe with the old Max, which is hilarious, you know logging on to his ExciteMail, which is also hilarious, right um you know to to like look at the mundane things again.
01:19:27
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um But you can see from the emails that like he's actually still out there in the world somewhere because the the email from his mom and dad is right there that says, where are you? yeah So like yeah he's he hasn't ah if if there was a beach part two, i bet well what we might see here is him trying to get back to the beach in one way or another.
01:19:45
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Jesus Christ. it's just a he doesn't He doesn't really he learn a lesson in this. I mean, we've learned lessons. i don't know if he has, though. Right. And i like he says he has, but he loves to be a good narrator.
01:19:58
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In fact, God, I'm really going off on this movie now. like Like, but but it's it's in a good way. i think I think this is on purpose. Like he, if you think about the movie, it is primarily his narration the entire Right.
01:20:09
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Exactly. so Also, you don't know. but we We don't know all the time if what he's telling is the truth. i Because he's a constant liar. Exactly. So like, it really is like, this is a movie. This, the more you peel back the layers, this is one interesting onion.
01:20:23
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It really is. yeah For sure. Well, there's even like the part that the the part that drove me crazy is when he literally attacks Francois after he comes back from like the hill journey or whatever.
01:20:35
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yeah And he slams her to the ground and then says to her face, I'm not going to hurt you. Yeah. you literally Just body slander. you if If you did that to me, I would probably like take my breath away, but okay. Gotcha. Right.
01:20:48
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And then like, understand like the the, the sickening part of this movie is the whole Swedes thing. So when the Swedes get attacked by the shark and they, the one guy dies and they, you know, they have to bury him, but then the other guy is injured.
01:21:08
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But Sal in her wisdom is like, we can't go to the mainland because he'll talk about us. And I'm like, he's going to die. But because they're such selfish little assholes, they just let him suffer And when they can't, when they can't stand his suffering anymore, they put them out in a tent to suffer.
01:21:29
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And I'm just like, this is awful. I mean, we we have, we have, we have a, um, I can't think of the the term for it right now, but, um, ah we, we, we have foreshadowing. We have a foreshadowing of that with the guy with the tooth.
01:21:41
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So yeah there's a guy that really wants to go to, because clearly in dental agony, he wants to go to a dentist and Tilda says flat out, no, you're not going, you can't go. So deal with it.
01:21:52
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And that is it. And so like there is, um, There's something about that, like, goes back to leadership again, right? Like, how do you lead a community like that if you know you can't ever let anyone leave? Because if they left, what what would happen is what happened with Leo DiCaprio coming and and and and and and and Etienne and whatever her name was, Francois.
01:22:15
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So, I mean, like, it's, um, it's, it's, that's a tough choice to make as, as a leader like that. Like, what, what do you do? You know, what do you do? It's, you've got one person, but what about the rest of the people?
01:22:26
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You know? Yeah. I, it, it just hit me extra hard with that guy that they put out in the tent. Where i was just like, how can you do this as somebody that was like you're your people, your person, you know?
01:22:37
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Yeah. it's just It just shows like the selfishness of the community. And that it it's just shows like how easy people can turn on people. And and yeah i'm I'm maybe just being a little bit devil's advocate right now. But like, is it selfishness or is it survival?
01:22:49
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Because at the same time, like you've got the guys with the guns who are like, if you bring anyone else to this island, to this island. You can send him to the doctor. Who cares if he talks about this magical island that everyone already talks about on the mainland anyway? Well, but I mean, but that but that's just it. like what It's just like with Daffy giving the map to the guy or whatever. like if so If one person goes too far, then everyone could be at at risk.
01:23:12
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It's tough. Tough decision. I don't know. There's just like something inherently like... yeah don't know a human about this movie that makes it so probably so good and why we still talk about it to this day god damn right um but um i do want to talk about the four travelers for a second because i did kind of forget that this was i forgot how visceral this movie is yeah like i actually did forget like how violent it does become like between the shark attack and
01:23:42
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And then when the, you know, the, the four travelers that he makes the map for come to the Island, even though he says to them, don't come. um When they get killed, I kind of forgot like how tragic that was. Like, I don't know if you had a reaction to that or not, but like, I kind of forgot that they like just get killed like right off. I mean, look, it's, it's a, it's another example of like,
01:24:08
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what are you doing? Like you have to smart traveler. and you know, there's, there's so many stories over here of, of young people going traveling somewhere and making terrible decisions and then, you know, getting killed or being murdered or drowning or falling off a fucking balcony. Like it's just like, you got it. You have to take care of yourself. And like, you know, you've got four, four young people here. i don't know how ah young they are, but they're not, they're not, you know, that old, that, that, you know, that's for sure. Maybe early twenties, college age.
01:24:39
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um And, you know, there're just they're just they're out there to seeking adventure. But once again, like not really thinking about what the consequences might be. Like, is this a place I'm actually supposed to go to? Should I really be there?
01:24:49
Speaker
And as soon as they get there, they learn really quickly, like, oops, guess I shouldn't be. And they're dead. They're dead. and Yeah, mean it's it's it's a sad scene. It really is. I did find it um to shift a little bit here. I did find it kind of comical to see that like human raft that they make at the end. I was like, didn't, didn't you have a boat?
01:25:09
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It looks, it looks kind of creepy too. I'm not going to lie. It's You're going to go all the back to the, the to Thailand. right that Exactly. yeah Like people in the water, literally like swimming. There's something really funny about that. The other part that I thought really dated this and really made me kind of give a little chuckle is that last scene where it takes about three minutes to download that photo. oh my God. Really funny. It was like, it was, it was like porn back in the day. You know what I mean? know And then it has to like pixelate also, but also like porn back in the day. Yeah.
01:25:41
Speaker
Well, Andrew, look, I think you and I could talk about this movie for a lot longer, but we have another one to talk about. So tell me what you rated the beach. I might change my rating. I'm not sure. Keep going. All right.
01:25:52
Speaker
So here at Friday, the 13th horror podcast, we judge on a seven stripe scale for the seven stripes of the gay old rainbow. So 3.5 is average. um So I gave the beach.
01:26:03
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Damn. Do I want to switch this? No, I'm going to say, yeah, do you say it. Go ahead. i'm like I'm going to give this a four and a half. I said, i do enjoy the style of this movie, but it is a little hard when the protagonist literally learns nothing about himself ever getting a bunch of people killed.
01:26:18
Speaker
Okay. i I did decide to raise mine. So i'm I'm at a five for this. and And I think the reason why is because it it it it engendered a really it it engendered a richer discussion with you and me than I thought it would, to be honest. Sure.
01:26:31
Speaker
And so actually, i really appreciate that. And I think that that's really intentional in the film. So um like I said, I like it a lot. I think it just does take a little bit long to get to where it's going. Danny Boyle is so good. but and And this is what I think with with the the length of it.
01:26:46
Speaker
Sometimes his own indulgence just makes it feel a little bit flat. Not a lot of that, but just a little. little For instance, there is one scene, and then we'll let it go, um that where he where they're swimming across to the island, and they pull away, and it's a CGI island.
01:27:03
Speaker
And I was like, yeah dude, you have so much footage of these Thai islands. Why do you need... It's an island right there. You don't need to do that, dude. he But anyway. That does it for the beach, folks. We'll be right back with our next one, the Shallows.
01:27:52
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You should come over here. I'm good here, thank you.
01:28:04
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um sis. Hey. I just want to let you know I made it here.
01:28:19
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and just want to let you know i made it here Mom was right. It took forever to find, but it's perfect. What did you say the name of this place was?
01:28:30
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This is Paradise.
01:28:38
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01:28:42
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01:28:56
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01:29:12
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I'm not dying here.
01:29:16
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Before you get to the deep end, you're in the shallows. Andrew, tell us all about the shallows. What was once in the deep is now in the shallows.
Review and Analysis of 'The Shallows'
01:29:28
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While surfing at a secluded beach, medical student Nancy is attacked by a great white shark. Stranded on a small rock just 200 yards from shore, she must use her wits and willpower to survive as the predator circles and time and tide begin to turn against her.
01:29:46
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This is directed by Jean-Marc. Cole Sarah written by Anthony Jazwinski production and distribution were handled by Columbia Pictures Nancy is played by Blake Lively Carlos is played by Oscar Heneda Chloe is played by Sedona Legge ah Mr. Adams is played by Brett Cullen and Miguel is played by Pablo Calva.
01:30:12
Speaker
This was rated PG-13. It comes in at a swift 86 minutes. It was released on June 24th of 2016, filmed in and around. um What does and NSW stand for? New new South Wales.
01:30:26
Speaker
New South Wales and Queensland, Australia. Budget was 17 million. This sucker brought in 119 million, which is pretty fricking good for a movie like this. Right. um So this is the shallows. Maddie, have you seen this before? And what were your initial thoughts?
01:30:41
Speaker
Nope. This is my first time seeing it. fun Yeah. and look, it's, it's a good movie. It's really good. um i think Blake Lively does a great job in this largely one woman film.
01:30:53
Speaker
um And, you know, look, if you're into shark stuff, which I'm not super into shark horror movies, um but if if you're into shark horror, I bet you fucking have to masturbated all over this thing because it is one big shark movie. It just is crazy.
01:31:11
Speaker
And, um you know, there are a lot of things that I like about this that are that are um very different from other shark films. Like um the number one, I'll skip all the way to the end. The way the shark is killed.
01:31:23
Speaker
did not expect that. And, um, I thought it was a pretty genius way of getting rid of the, the, the the insane shark. And, um, and like, what a cool final girl that we have that like it was so smart to make that happen.
01:31:41
Speaker
Right. like She's constantly making decisions out there on her own in the water about what she needs to do to stay alive and what she needs to do to fend this thing off. Um, And what she needs to do to help the bird and what she needs to do to like just keep herself sane and blah, blah, blah, bla blah.
01:31:54
Speaker
And um she's a fast thinker. And it's it's lovely to have, you know, ah a heroine or a final girl on screen in this one that is so smart.
01:32:04
Speaker
That is so smart. She doesn't do anything stupid in this one. there's not There's not ever a time in this where I'm like, no, don't do that. Mm-hmm. going over there or get up and go. you know That doesn't occur in this.
01:32:15
Speaker
Do you know what i mean? like in yeah You don't have to do that because she's fucking smart and she does what she's doing. And so how lovely to have a role like that, especially for women in horror. um and and And where um you know she she uses all of the tools in her faculty.
01:32:30
Speaker
to to really win, to win and to survive. So um it's ah it's a lovely piece. i you know Also, I ah kind of like the sentimental part of it too. you know She's going to this beach.
01:32:42
Speaker
um Her mom, that's a that's where she was conceived? Is that what it was or something like that? She went there when she knew she was pregnant. That's what it was. Right. Right. Yeah. Here I am. yeah She's just getting fucked on the beach.
01:32:53
Speaker
Not just that. No. it's So, yeah, it's it's a it's a a sentimental place for her and it means a lot to her. And like, you know, with with her own family now, like now this beach will become something even more important to her.
01:33:06
Speaker
um I also really enjoyed um like the guy that dropped her off and the guy that came back to get her in the end. Yeah, Carlos. He seems like a really nice guy and I i appreciated that he wasn't like a jerk.
01:33:16
Speaker
I liked that he was not um like a weirdo because in every other movie, he would be like a weirdo. Yeah, he would be like somebody just trying to have sex with her at at the end the day. Yeah, exactly. And like it wasn't that. And it is I really appreciated that it was just like a normal, nice guy. like That was just nice. Agreed. You never get that. So that was nice too.
01:33:35
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um God, what else? The shark itself is kind of cool. You know, like, look, I think sharks, when you're doing this kind of thing, like it's it's kind of hard to make them not look like a CGI thing.
01:33:46
Speaker
Right. If you recall in one of our recent what you've been watching, bitches, I talked about dangerous animals that might be called something like that. which is another shark movie. And like, there are definitely some parts of the shark where I was like, baby, it is 2025. What have you done with the shark?
01:34:03
Speaker
um But like this one, I think they do a pretty good job with it, to be honest. like And 2016, like that's 10 years ago. And there's there's maybe there's one part where I was like, whatever.
01:34:14
Speaker
But like also like, I don't know how many of us have ever seen a real fucking shark up close like that. Like maybe I don't know what it even looks like. So like, we you know, when they do come out of the water with their fucking jaws open and shit, like maybe it just kind of looks crazy all the time. know what I mean? There's no way to make it look normal.
01:34:31
Speaker
um God, I don't know. It was great. i i had fun. What do you think? Yeah, so this is one that I saw in the theater when it came out, and then I haven't seen it since. That's fun it was It was fun to go back to it. um I do like remember thinking, like damn, this girl is really smart. like i Listen, I would have lasted literally 15 minutes like that.
01:34:54
Speaker
I would like, as soon as I got that cut on my leg, I'm, I'm goner. Like, I don't think about ah connecting my necklace to my leg to keep it. And then tearing off my sleeve of my wetsuit to like make a cuff and like all this stuff. Like, ah and you know, she's presented with so much, like every time she gets something right, it's like, okay, well now it's time for the next bad thing to happen. Like it's, it's,
01:35:20
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It's kind of incredible what she survives. And I'll talk about how I don't... and There's one thing that I think that they should have changed in the movie to make it even a better movie. um We can talk about that in a little bit.
01:35:31
Speaker
um But yeah, overall, I think that this is like kind of a tour de force for Blake Lively, who's kind of gotten a bad rap in the last couple years. um But I think that she does a great job in this movie. I think everyone does a great job in this movie, um including Steven Seagal, which I thought was really Steven Seagal. Oh, yeah.
01:35:50
Speaker
um And I think that this is i think this is top notch shark horror. I mean, you know, we when we talked about doing this episode, we talked about maybe doing Jaws. And then I was like, you know what? Literally, it's the 50th anniversary of Jaws. Everyone's talking about Jaws. There's nothing more that we have. to commit to that conversation that's not somebody hasn't already said so i was like let's do something that's a little bit under scene and i think that the shallows is a little bit under scene and so if you like movies like jaws you know the shallows is a is a pretty good like little movie to like watch in that same vein it's much better than something like deep blue sea for god's sakes so yeah awesome um um so i i i enjoy this movie quite a bit i think
01:36:32
Speaker
um that i i i agree with you i like the um heartwarming part of it do i think it gets a little sappy at times yeah but i can forgive it for that just because of the you know the story they're trying to tell but overall i think that this is a fun little movie it comes in under 90 minutes so like what are you doing And um I think that, you know, any lesser actress maybe wouldn't be able to pull this off. So ah because she carries the movie. I mean, she is really it's it's it's her and the shark and the seagull. Like, that's the movie. I mean, yeah. like And look, stuff like that is very hard.
01:37:09
Speaker
You know, look I mean, it's um one. I need some water. One sack. Hold on. One person shows are incredibly difficult. And if you've never done one or been a part of one, you have no idea.
01:37:23
Speaker
Like yeah but back when I had a theater company, I was assistant director and producer for, um, Oh, what what was it called? Um, Rachel Corey, i I forget the name of right now, but basically it's about this with this woman named Rachel Corey, who was a peace activist in Palestine.
01:37:41
Speaker
And um it's all ah it's all her diaries, basically, but it's just one woman doing it the entire time. And when we did it, we had to hire three actresses. Oh my God, hold on. Andrew, talk for a minute. I got to get some water. let me talk about what I think that they could have done better.
01:38:01
Speaker
um Because the entirety of the movie, she is talking about how her leg is suffering. She's literally bleeding all over. That's why the shark is like kind of still circling her. um She even says during her kind of like confessional to the camera that she feels gangrene, settling in.
01:38:18
Speaker
So when we cut to her one year later at at the end of the movie, I feel like she should have had a prosthetic leg. I feel like she should have lost her leg. And that would have made the movie more realistic and like more, um I don't know, just like. Fair enough.
01:38:34
Speaker
Like week like we, she has some stakes in the game because all she walks away from is like a little scar on her leg. And I was like, are you kidding me? Like. like there's no way that that's i mean she was literally revived on the beach after maybe it's maybe a little unrealistic i would say yeah and so i think that they could have maybe improved upon that a little bit but that's like a very small thing that i'm nitpicking about about the movie um because she gets a little bit too ah too much of a happy ending if you're asking me completely no yeah and that's one thing that i would point and by the way i've put in a cough drop so you're going to hear my voice weird um
01:39:07
Speaker
And also to finish my earlier point, one person chose her hard. That's all I need to say. Anyways, um the ending did not need to be the ending. Right. That that little like coda at the end, that was too much. that That's for sure. It was it was way too saccharine. It was it was big, smiley, happy faces. it was like and it could have ended just ah the and like a horror movie.
01:39:31
Speaker
Do you want to mean she's already won. We know she won. So like let her win. you don't have to put more on top of that. Yeah. And then the only other thing that I will say is some of the shark attack stuff is insane. Like the the one guy who is the drunk guy that's passed out on the beach that ends up like trying to steal her stuff yeah and then like but goes and gets the ah surfboard.
01:39:54
Speaker
he literally gets cut in half. Like how does a shark just cut you cleanly in half at the waist and not take something of you? um And then also i think it's, I find it. So this is the only other thing that I'm going to complain about the movie.
01:40:09
Speaker
Those two guys that come back that were surfing there with her um at the beginning and then come back the next day. They don't notice the guy cut in half on the beach and. Oh, that's a good point.
01:40:20
Speaker
Go into the water. was what was he was Was he still on the beach? Yeah, he pulls himself up on the beach. But I mean, like, do we do we see him again? Like, did or like that you they go back out to sea or some shit?
01:40:32
Speaker
Last we saw of him, he was pulling himself up on the beach. yeah You know what? And his legs were in the water. And like, you would think that if you went to a beach and there was a dead person, you would probably notice it. Right. especially it's Especially like a secret private beach.
01:40:45
Speaker
Right. It's also so funny that both of our movies are about private beaches. ah in And, you know, and it's it it is interesting that they chose to ah put this in South America. I'm thinking Mexico because they so they you know they're speaking Spanish, but they filmed it in Australia.
01:41:02
Speaker
That's really... Oh, good point. Because you could have just easily put this in Australia. You know what i mean? Maybe... I guess maybe there's is maybe there's not as much good surfing in Mexico, maybe? Is that it?
01:41:15
Speaker
I don't know. It's just an interesting You could do Hawaii, couldn't you? i mean ah right I don't know. Who knows? that's that's ah and um i did I did like that they kind of how they infuse technology into the movie, too. about how like It it it like appears on screen like with her watch and with her like phone screen.
01:41:35
Speaker
I thought that that was an interesting way of depicting that. For 2016, the phone screen stuff actually looked kind of like today. like that yeah That was really well done, I thought. Yeah. um we got it We got to talk about our favorite character, Steven Siegel. Steven Siegel. What a sweetie.
01:41:52
Speaker
i liked that. Go ahead. Go ahead. I liked that the bird got an ending, too, because I thought that bird, I thought she was going to put that bird on that surfboard and he was going to get chomped up.
01:42:06
Speaker
um Look, I hate seagulls, um especially here. There seagulls here. Fucking insane. um But that's a seagull that I like. actually like him quite a bit.
01:42:17
Speaker
Um, I, I do have to say there was one point in the movie where I was like, are you fucking kidding me? And that was the addition of the jellyfish was like, come on. Are you joking me? There's like another thing that she has to like overcome. it's It's kind of like when she shoots the first flare and it just goes in the water. laughed out loud. I laughed out loud.
01:42:38
Speaker
I looked at it and I went, there is no God. was like, come on. Like, how? how God love her. Like, what a shitty That part is so comical. Like, where she shoots, she's like, I'm going to do this.
01:42:53
Speaker
I've got it. I'm going to throw it up in the air. And then it just goes. and It just fizzles. And it's just like, what the actual fuck, man? Like, how much more does this woman have to go through? Fuck. Seriously.
01:43:05
Speaker
um i i I did appreciate how this was filmed as well. like you know We talked about it when we were talking about the beach, but everything is so vibrant, so beautiful. like the i don't I think that they did some CGI face work on the surfing lady. Probably, yeah.
01:43:24
Speaker
To make her like look like, you know, it was probably like a blonde woman, but they put Blake Lively's face like on her because there's no way that Blake Lively like learned to surf in like, you know, 10 days or whatever for this movie. I mean, she had to learn some of it, though.
01:43:37
Speaker
But like the scenes of her like going under the waves and stuff. That's not some crazy shit. Those don't have to be as beautiful as they are well for this movie. So some of some of the the trivia for this, Blake Lively performed most of her own stunts.
01:43:51
Speaker
Lively spent hours each day in a giant water tank and performed many of her own stunts, including swimming, climbing and intense action sequences, despite being newly married and and and shooting just months before giving birth to her first child.
01:44:04
Speaker
She was pregnant during this? I guess so. She later said it was one of the most physically demanding experiences of her career. So like maybe maybe she didn't do all the surfing because like that requires like like extra skill. Yeah. Like some of the like, but the stunty kind of thing she was able to do.
01:44:19
Speaker
um One thing that I think that maybe they didn't, um they kind of explained it away and it and it kind of comes back towards the end of the movie, but but I thought that they were maybe going to go more into why the shark had a hook in its mouth because there's there's a part where she kind of like, is ah she sees on why was the hook there. How did that how she happen?
01:44:38
Speaker
She said to the, like, she says in the movie, like, Oh, somebody else got you before, like somebody else tried to catch you before. So I don't know if there was like extra, like a, maybe like an opening scene that got cut or something of like the, you know, the shark's origin or whatever. But like, I felt that that part was a little unexplained and underutilized. And so I was like, what, what are we, what are we supposed to learn about that? That he's just like an evil shark.
01:45:04
Speaker
Yeah. You know, well, mean, I don't know. it is is ah I think that if we give evil or good to animals, we're not really thinking about them correctly. Right.
01:45:15
Speaker
And like, you know, the shark isn't evil any more than your dog is evil. You know and mean Right. Like the dog wants food and the shark wants food. They want different kinds of food and they have different kinds of ways of getting it. But the shark doesn't fucking care.
01:45:26
Speaker
He he he that or or she, we don't we we don't know the sex of the shark, quite frankly. um Whatever the shark is, just knows that there's blood and there's a ah thing that that that that they can't get and they really want it.
01:45:40
Speaker
That's it. Well, and the good thing, that you know, when I was thinking about this movie before I like rewatched it, I was like, well, why why does that shark just like hang around? But she says in the movie, like, oh, I stumbled into its feeding area. Yeah, that's it.
01:45:52
Speaker
Because that whale is there and he's like slowly eating off of. And so we it kind of makes sense. Like, but, you know, she's the she's the other blood source in the water. So that's like, you know, smart shark, by the way, like keeping a whale.
01:46:07
Speaker
you know what and I mean? I know. I'm going to eat this slowly. I'm not going to eat the whole thing. I'm going to. get I felt really bad for the. I felt really bad for the whale because she like climbs it and like no uses it's like wounds to like climb up on it.
01:46:21
Speaker
And it's still alive at that point. Whales are such wonderful animals, just incredible animals, incredible creatures, truly. And, um, So I know a lot of people, ah you know, there's there's a crux in the movie where she um ah shoots the flare into the water and it catches on fire.
01:46:38
Speaker
And I've heard a lot of people criticize that part because they're like, why does that catch on fire? Well, what people don't remember is that whale blubber is flammable. Exactly. And so that's why. It's used to make whale.
01:46:51
Speaker
I mean, it is it is funny that the fucking shark is a flaming jumping shark. I know. Yeah, totally. But it works, though, at the same time. like Yeah. like And that's the thing is, like, the the movie is fun, too. Like, you know, it's not all serious. And like you were saying earlier, like, there are parts it that are comical.
01:47:06
Speaker
And there are parts that are touching. And there are parts of it that are wild. And it's a it's a wild movie. Like, it's – I really enjoy it. I'm glad that we had the opportunity to watch it for this. Yeah, it's it's a fun watch. And it was one that I was happy to go back and, you know, kind of reconsume just because it's and it it's I don't this is this going to sound trivial, but it's not too serious, but it's serious enough. No, it yeah't I mean, that makes perfect sense to me. It really does.
01:47:33
Speaker
and yeah It's that it's a great way to sum it up, I think, with this one. Yeah. So i I mean, that's the shallows. Do we want to talk about how the the shark dies? Because that's like the the crux of the movie. Yeah. And like, I don't know all the physics behind it, but she's like, okay, if I grab onto this thing and that thing is is falling off of that, and this thing is going to plummet down to the bottom. going drag you down. Yeah. And there's this thing. it's gonna is end And if I drag down, the shark is going to follow me. But if I get out of the way soon enough, it's going to crash into this motherfucker. Right.
01:48:03
Speaker
And that is exactly what happens. And the fucking shark like collapses. i don't know what else to say. Like collapses into it. And the shark did not have a good day at the end. Well, I mean, it's it's because it's being anchored by like a ah smattering of like rebar and stuff. It's I mean, that's how a lot of those anchors are. I mean, when I've gone scuba diving I've um seeing some of like how things are anchored, it's never anchored by like an anchor that you see like off of a boat.
01:48:36
Speaker
It's all, it's always just like a smattering of like metal. Like, you know what mean? For sure. That actually made sense to me. The heavy shit that sinks. Yeah, exactly. um The first time I watched this movie, I didn't quite understand the ending because I didn't really understand how heavy that chain would be.
01:48:53
Speaker
But yeah if you think about how heavy that chain has to be to anchor that chains are fucking heavy. that That's how it goes down. chain chains Chains are heavy and they're expensive. They're very expensive, especially when it comes to maritime stuff. my my ah My cousin has a boat and he was selling a chain one time on Facebook Marketplace or whatever.
01:49:13
Speaker
And I saw the price and I was like, holy shit for a chain? Like, my God, it's insane. Yeah, and I did appreciate the level of detail too with this movie. like The underside of the buoy has like all of that like moss and barnacles.
01:49:27
Speaker
yeah like Yeah, a lesser movie wouldn't care about that shit and it would just be you know a buoy. Or just be metal. Yeah. Yeah, I just appreciate this movie quite a bit. um What do you give the shallows on your score sheet?
01:49:41
Speaker
I upped my score for this one, too. And I gave it a five. And I said, man, she did not have a great day at the beach. But this is a really good one. um I've never seen a shark die in that manner ever.
01:49:54
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to give it a five as well. And I said, damn, this girl has some bad luck. It is very tense and right to the point. And the fact that it looks so beautiful is definitely a plus. Amen.
01:50:05
Speaker
Well, folks, that does it for our second film of the episode. So we'll be right back to close out episode 145 with little game. with a little game Shantae, you stay. Shantae, you stay. Shantae, you stay.
01:50:18
Speaker
Shantae, you stay. Shantae, you stay. and Folks, that does it for episode 145 of Fragge the 13th Horror Podcast. But before we let you go, we've got a little game, as we usually do.
01:50:29
Speaker
And this one, very complicated rules, very, very hard to understand. It's called Hottie of the Episode. And this is basically where Andrew and I tell you who we think was the hottest.
01:50:40
Speaker
that's That's really all that this is. So Andrew, tell me who's, um, who's, ah who's your hottie of the episode? What do you think? Oh, you mean who looks best on the beach this episode?
01:50:52
Speaker
ah um For me, I'm going to go with the little cutie Etienne from the beach. He he was cute. He was cute. That is just a type right there. mean, just very cute, very innocent, ah very kind of... He kind of gets rigged through the coals in the beach because basically it's taken advantage of by his friend. But... um You know, he takes it with the chin and he sits in the rain and he he just looks good doing it. So I'm going to go with Etienne from the beach.
01:51:24
Speaker
Yeah, this this is a hard decision. I i think I've um I've got to go with Leo um because this is like I said, it's like his twink, twunk era.
01:51:37
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Y'all know I love a twink. That's just where my brain goes. i can't help it. And and you know what? He looks pretty cute in this one. He does. Yeah, and I just never been a Leo person, but that I get it. I totally get it.
01:51:49
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Well, that does it for episode 145. A couple of things to leave you with before we say goodnight and goodbye. um Listen, if you want to support this podcast, if you want this podcast to continue to exist,
01:52:02
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There are two things you can do. You can either go to frygay13.com slash support and ah do some stuff there. Become a patron where you can engage in our our episode chat.
01:52:14
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um You can eat you can do that for free as well if you want to join for free. But if you want to give us a dollar, that's cool, too. A dollar goes a long way when it comes to dollars a year. um And you can also buy some merch there if you'd like, if you like a T-shirt or a little hat or something or some fun stuff on there with our logo on it. If you want to like share with the rest of the world that you listen to this amazing podcast.
01:52:36
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um But you can also just go over to Apple Podcasts or Spotify and leave a review. Um, yes that's really easy and it takes about two seconds. Um, and, and, you know, that's one way to engage with us where we actually do see it. yeah Um, a lot of, a lot of social media these days is very jumbled and very hard to suss out what's real and like, what's actually like an actual person reaching out to us.
01:53:01
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We get a ton of these podcast promoters and do, do, do, to do that all are bullshit. They're so annoying. Yeah. so So if you want to like actually reach out to us, a review is the best way. That's right.
01:53:14
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but Because we'll actually see it and we'll actually like write or write about it and write you back and and whatnot. um But also Patreon, where we have our private chat, where we can literally talk to you one-on-one. Yeah. You know, like, look, Andrew and I are just two, like, believe it or not, fairly normal people.
01:53:30
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And we have fairly normal jobs and we have fairly normal lives. And this is like our, ah you know, special thing that we do for all of you.
01:53:41
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And we've been doing it now for a long time. um For it it'll be eight years next year, Andrew, which is insane. So, I mean, like, we've been doing this for a long time, just the two of us, just making it work, making it happen and making it happen across an ocean, for God's sake.
01:53:55
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And, you know, making content that we we we hope that you continue to love. And so, um you know, all the things that Andrew said, if you can support us in one way or another, we would really, really appreciate that.
01:54:06
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Yeah. And listen, it's summertime. Get out there. Enjoy the beach. Enjoy nature while it's nice to us. Yes. And while it still exists. and you know, at the end of the day, there's only really one thing that we really want you to do.
01:54:22
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And that's for you to get slayed.