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Maybe Don't Monetize It
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"You should monetize this!" How many times have you heard that?
Have you ever felt like monetizing your thing takes the joy away from it?
What if you let that sht go and embraced the currency of joy.
Join me for my conversation with Joseline Hardrick, Law Professor, Founder of Journey to Esquire, Author and coach.
You can connect with Joseline at
joselinehardrick.com
www.thelawschoolpro.com
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Introduction to Joy as Currency
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With your creative side, choose life. And then ask yourself, what does that mean? And for me, it's what I call the currency of joy. So instead of trying to get income and pay in terms of cash, money, credit, see joy as a currency. Because we are so used to like this capitalists capitalistic view of the world, because we especially if you grew up in the US, that is a transition idea.
Podcast Introduction and Guest Welcome
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as the currency of joy. So I just want to make sure we understand it's not that you're exchanging and, you know, we know life is infinite and time is a construct, but in order to help you transition to this idea that I'm doing something for joy and it it gives me something, see it as prince Welcome to Freed and Powered Up. Here is where conscious female leaders who are taking their exit from the overly dominant male patriarchal energy, however you experienced it, can really start to break free from the energy that keeps us back from being who we came here to be and leaving the legacy we came here to leave.
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episode, I'm going to connect you to your inner power and awaken the divine feminine within you. I'm your host and your sister, Latoya Zavala.
Meet Jozeline: The Law School Liberator
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Let's go.
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Hello, hello, and welcome once again to Freed and Powered Up. So welcome Phoenix's, welcome um Goddesses, welcome all who enjoy the juiciness of this podcast. Today we have once more an exciting guest um who's here to bring us her magic and her expertise and to really help us expand into the next level of our best selves. So she is a personal friend of mine, and we have done some work together. And I can't tell you how excited and delighted I am to have our guests with us. So come on up, Jozeline. And that's the way that I'm going to call you because I know. So Jozeline, come on up and tell the people who you are and the magic you bring to this world.
Mission: Joyful Law School Journeys
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Thank you, LaToya. Yes, I'm Jocelyn Jean-Louis Hardrigg, also known as Jocelyn Jean-Louis, because that's the name I gave you. I am the law school liberator. So I want to free you from the chains of the burden, the debt, all of those things you took on in order to become a lawyer. And then instead of just graduating from law school, I want you to liberate from law school.
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Ooh, so powerful.
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So make your last year of law school your best year. And listen, that applies to all people. Anyone who's got an advanced degree knows what exactly what I'm talking about. Yes. like I mean, the two big ones, right? Law school and medical school. I mean, particularly in American society, when you think of those two, you think of debt stress.
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those are the Those are the ideas you come with. Well, I'll say three things. You think of debt, stress, and typically people are thinking, I'm about to make a lot of money, right? Because I graduated from these things and eventually I'm going to make a lot of
Reimagining Education and Career Paths
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money. So those are the really big things that people think about. And somebody tells me, oh, I'm going into law school or I'm in law school. the thing What I'm thinking of is, oh, this person has no life. They are super overstressed and I get to give them a thousand percent grace.
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that's what i think yes Now what I like people to reimagine is what if it could be different? What if you can build your confidence? What if you can expand your network? What if you can design a career of your dreams? And that's what I help people Yes, yes, I love that because really, you know, as we used to say in my family, tomorrow's not promised to any man. And so why not be able to enjoy right now? Why not be able to move into um pleasure and and the dream and the idealism even right now? Yeah, to be able to live their lives while they're living their lives. Yes, And a lot of them have that joy when they first enter, because like you said, you're thinking, ooh, debt stress, but they're excited because not everybody gets in. We know only the top students get in, both of those industries and PhDs and engineers. Right. CPAs, these are advanced degrees, elitist institutions, and they have a lot of power. So there's a lot of joy when you found out you got in.
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But man, something about that experience for a lot of us, particularly people from marginalized communities, by the time we're just on the verge of graduating, instead of feeling like a celebration, we just want to get it over with.
Maintaining Joy in Advanced Education
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And getting over with energy is not going to create the career of your dreams. We felt like we've gotten beaten up the whole time.
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People told us they didn't believe in us. People looked at us like we didn't belong there. We had to prove yourself and outwork and outsmart. And by the end, you're running out of there. But I want you running towards your goals, not away from your goals.
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Yes. Yes. How powerful. How beautiful. And I'm, I'm all here for it as you know. And yes. So, so let's just drop this right here before we get into our topic. Anyone knows someone who's going through law school and you already know the stress and the baggage that they're carrying right now, you want to connect them to Jo's link. So. Her information is going to be in the show notes absolutely for sure. And go ahead and copy and paste so you can refer the people because I know that these are people that you care about.
Creativity and Non-Monetized Joy
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And um and they they deserve and they get to live um that life. So our topic today, we're talking about embracing
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Hmm, your creator self, embracing your creative gifts and using them in a way that gives you life without the burden of having to think, well, how is this going to make me money?
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And I think this is such a powerful topic because the I feel the environment that we are in today is really truly the end of the day question is, how can we make money? How can we make money? How can we make money? And there's a large emphasis on, hey, the things that you enjoy, you can make money with that, which I don't think is a bad sentiment. However, Akama, I have met quite a few women who men who, when they were enjoying something, but the minute that they made it a career or a job or a business, they stopped enjoying it. Yes, it's so true. So when you said, you know, live your life while you're living your life, the scripture that says, I said, before you life and death, choose life, choose life. it life
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And so many people take that scripture to mean this little specific thing. It means choose life in all of its forms. So what I'm suggesting to the listeners today is with your creative side, choose life. huh And then ask yourself, what does that mean? And for me, it's what I call the currency of joy. So instead of trying to get income and pay in terms of cash, money, credit, see joy as a currency, because we are so used to like this,
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capitalists capitalistic view of the world, because we especially if you grew up in the US, right? that That is a transition idea. It's not necessarily currency, but you understand the currency of something, right? So as the currency of choice. I just want to make sure we understand it's not that you're exchanging and you know we know life is infinite and time is a construct, but In order to help you transition to this idea that I'm doing something for joy and it it gives me something, see it as currency. Your hobby does not have to be your hustle. Oh, you just said that. And whoa, because you can see all over the internet right now, make your hobby your hustle.
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yes yes But you just said, your hobby does not have to be your hustle. And that's a section of my book, Let Your Light Shine. So we'll make sure it's in the show notes, but I have a section on that. And I wrote that book to myself. Talk about it. Yeah, I'm sitting there reading the book and my husband's like, you're reading your own book? I'm like, yes. This is a book that I learned to myself that I shared with the world. m And so
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And I keep trying to make my hobbies hustle, so we're going to talk about that today. And every time, it's like, no,
Balancing Passion and Business
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all the joys sucked out of it. Wow. Right. What about the process sucks the joy out of it? From your perspective, what do you think? Commoditizing it, right? Trying to convince other people that they should put money into it.
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Ooh. And what I heard just now is, oh, that hit me so deeply. Because whatever that thing is, you really, you have already embraced the value of it. You have already um really, you've smiled at it, right? You've, you've laughed with it, right? You've, you've you've created this bond and this this this love for it. And now when you commoditize it, I get that, that you are trying, you feel that you're trying to convince other people of the value of it. And there can be that disconnect where other people
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or you feel as you're out there, other people don't value it as much as you do because you know how much time, how much effort, how much money, how much energy, how much creativity you've poured into this quilt or this music piece or whatever it is. Yeah, and then trying to convince other people of that same value, that same worth can suck the life out of you. Oh, I feel that. Yeah. And I'm not saying like you said, if there is a hobby where you really, cause some people for them, they really wanted a business and they settled hobby. So we're not talking about that. Okay. You know, we met through business coaching and they were some really great women, the stuff they gave us work. And I was able to sell my hobby to someone.
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But I decided, I said, now I still really want this. This is really is a hobby for me that I want to do for fun.
Personal Hobbies and Joy
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Because the more I try to do all this business stuff around it, the ah I just can't focus on the fun. I just don't get it anymore. So I'm not talking about people who settled for hobbies when they really wanted a business. I'm talking about that thing you're so good at. It makes you come alive. It just brings you joy. And that's it. You're just happy doing it. You don't have to turn that into a hustle. There are lots of other things you can sell.
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Right. It doesn't have to be that. Yeah. Is there a place or a time where you feel there's a differentiation between i this is something I love, I feel joy, um and I do want it to be the business.
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but it's freaking hard. and i And I really have to get through some of the dark times in the valleys as opposed to hitting the dark times in the valleys and having that understanding of, oh, this actually isn't supposed to be a business. This is, this gets to be my hobby and my my personal love. Do you, is there a place where you feel like there's a difference or there's a line?
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Yeah, for me it was getting the business coaching, right? Because like I said, I did everything they told me and it worked. I sold one of my services. Yeah. And I still did not, I was like, no. I didn't get joy from it. I was like. Oh, you didn't get joy from it. You didn't get the joy from the sale of it. Exactly. I didn't get the joy from the sale.
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Um, and then, you know, there's different models. Like what I realized is if I ever decide to revisit this as a business, what I need to do is hire someone to do the business, a business manager. And I just stick on the creative side. Beautiful. Yeah. Cause these hobbies can get expensive. ah My idea was make turn into business to help fuel the hobby. But again, it just, it just ended up becoming more about the business, less about the hobby, less about life, more about work. And for me, the hobby is to be a release from work. I don't want to be working 24 seven.
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m That right there. I feel like that right there is a really golden piece because Yes, because a lot of people are turning their hobby into a hustle, really as a side hustle, and they have a nine to five or they have a career. And so what happens is, is the same place that you were in, they come from work to go back to work, as opposed to having a stress-free activity that lets them
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separate from work. And yes, that, yes, that is a real clear piece is when you if you feel that and it's starting to take away from the joy because now it's just work, work, work, work, work, and really depleting the joy part of it. I get it. I get it. Yeah, that's ah that's a signpost. It is. And for all the multi-passionist sisters out there like myself,
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Okay, come on, because there's a lot of them. but We haven't even talked about some of my hobbies yet. One is painting, one is writing children's books and formatting them, putting them together. um Another one is, I like to write books actually, like Let Your Light Shine. That is actually a hobby of mine to just write, put my ideas into books and self-publish them, right? So I have a whole, you know, I have a business set up for it so it could track business expenses, but I just release them and then I just feel good releasing them and reading them. Like people are like, that's it. That's it. You know, I really market it, lightly market it, you know. um And I also run a nonprofit. So Journey to Esquire is one of my businesses where I actually liberate law students from law students.
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Then, you know, I'm expanding it to pre-law students and working with college students because, you know, you understand you have to get people earlier on in the process so that they understand here are the pitfalls to avoid them. I love mentoring individuals. I've mentored people to write their own books. so I've introduced a lot of people to the painting that I do because I do paint by numbers. It's almost like doing a puzzle. Okay.
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But then during the cold the pandemic, these paint by numbers thing came out and I just, I love it, love it, love it. um And I just do a lot of, and I just dabble in all kinds of things, so right? It's like people, and then even doing hair, like hair, I do my own hair. um I love doing locks, twists, braids, things like that, that I did from when I was a child. So I'll do it for like friends and family and people are like, well, I'll pay you, can you do mine? People try to make me turn into a business. I'm like, no, thank you.
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we're doing hair. It's weird. It really relaxes me. And I love creating, you know, beautiful styles with special without natural hair that's kinky and coily and curly and can do so many different things with it. um But yeah, you know, and people are like, how do you learn to do all these random things? I'm like, I don't know. I just kind of follow my gifting.
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And if it feels good, I do more of it. And then as you do more of something, you get better at it. And I'll study it. I'll go on YouTube. and And then my husband's like, when you are obsessed with this, I'm like, I'm
Exploring Creative Fulfillment
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not obsessed. I just enjoy it. And I want to get better at it. And so I can't just do all these things all the time, right especially if I was trying to turn them all into businesses. That will get overwhelming. And so um you know if you're going to try the whole turn to hobby into a hustle thing, you'd say, I want dabble, I want to try it. Pick one that's less, that you're not as passionate about, I would say, and then see how it goes. Don't just necessarily pick the one that's like, well, there's so much money in this, I have to do this one. There's a lot of money in a lot of things and you're not out there doing it. So, you know, if it's something that you really just love to do, just to do it, it may not be the best fit. Now, some coaches will disagree with that and that's fine. I'm, I'm, not I'm no expert.
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But I'm sharing my experience, from my point of view, about it. And so the painting, people see my paintings like, you painted that? You need to sell them. I'm like, yeah. And then I give them away. People are like, you're giving them away? I'm like, yeah, I can only hang up so many paintings. You see all this stuff. I can only hang up so many of these paintings.
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And my hubby's like, listen, you ain't been hanging up all these things. So once I'm done creating them, I take a picture and then I give them to someone. And then, um I mean, people have seen them and really are like blown away and can't believe I'm giving them away. But I'm like, is the joy of just doing it was enough. It was so much fun. And I'm happy and I created this beautiful thing. And then now sharing my gift with someone who really appreciates it.
00:18:48
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And I don't do them all the time. you know I'll do like a few paintings here and there, and I'll write a few books here and there, and then I pick one up and I put one down. And so a lot of people say, did you do so many things when do you have time? I said, well, I don't do them all at the same time. I do them when I have time. And then I just release them slowly. So it always looks like I'm doing something. And it's not a perception I'm trying to create, it's just how it ends up.
00:19:13
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I can take my time and follow the flow and my spirit and see where it takes me. So that that makes this so much fun.
When to Monetize a Hobby?
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I really love that because I think that time piece is another like signpost, right? Because if you were to take any one of them and be like, okay, this is my business now, right? Like say, okay, painting is gonna be my side hustle now. Well, it it almost, now it necessitates that you are doing it all the time, right? And that you are looking for more creative ideas, you know, what am I gonna paint next? and And that kind of sometimes sucks
00:19:50
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the creative flow out of that joy piece to it. Yeah, and that can be with anything, right? That could be with, it could be with the painting, it could be with the story writing, it could be with the the book thing. And I think that's a really important piece too to take into consideration is when you're turning this hobby into the hustle.
00:20:18
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Is that a piece that you're willing to relinquish? Because that because that's what it feels like to me. It's relinquishing right or giving up the space to just do it whenever it comes or whenever the spirit leads or whenever creative intuition hits. um You're relinquishing that piece of it. And I'm not saying that that's a bad thing, but that is something definitely it's a powerful signpost to consider.
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um Yeah, I absolutely love that.
Redefining Success as Personal Joy
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I love that. Yeah, and being aware, like you're saying, I love how you're turning it into signposts, right? And what that allows you to do is, okay, I really want to turn this into business. Here, those signposts now become areas where you can use coaching. Because I guarantee someone's already done this, right? And figured out how to reconcile, you know, these kind of little barriers if you want to see them that way or tensions, right? You have to re relax those tensions and show you ways around it. My goal though is to just say, listen, release yourself of the pressure to do that. Yeah. I had a conversation with a friend of mine and um I helped her write a book. She's been working on it for like two years. I kept gently offering and she said, my girl, I've done this a bunch of times. I can walk you through this six months book in hand ready to go.
00:21:46
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Wow. Yeah, I know it's beautiful. It's great. And she had a great reaction. I said, OK, but now the hard part begins actual selling in the marketing of the book. I said, this is why I don't do selling and marketing. That part isn't fun to me. I just create books. And then, you know, I so i do sell some, right? But I could sell a lot more if I actively market it, et cetera. But for me, it's just creating them. And then ah she saw, oh, yeah, this is hard. I did the initial marketing and selling, right? And she said,
00:22:16
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Well, if I make it, it has to be a business. I have to make money off of it. I said, why? Because I said, I do it for the joy. I just love doing it. She said, you love doing this. I said, yeah, if you didn't enjoy this, why did you do it?
00:22:33
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joy Joy was the currency. It really didn't even occur to me that She didn't get joy out of that. Now, I don't want to speak for her, right? You can Google me and see that I've i've helped a few people write books, but there was a lot of angst around it, right? Because you're just nervous about putting your stuff out there. I get that. Now I'm getting that that's what's holding people back because it doesn't hold me back. I just put it out there like, oh, see what happens. Throw it on the wall. Right. um But yeah, just, you know, take the pressure off.
Joy as a Healing Force
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There's no rule out there that says because you put money into something that it has to be a return on investment in terms of cash. In terms of cash. What if the return on investment is your own joy? Wow. Yeah. And here's the thing.
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Some of the reason why we're not allowing ourselves to do that is because of trauma. Right. right Because what we want to talk about too is how to use this as a way to heal. Right. And your trauma might be telling you that you don't deserve to heal.
00:25:11
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And that you don't deserve to have joy. Yeah. That is a big one. Let me tell you, that is so big. You don't deserve to have joy. I can't tell you how many clients have such a hard time with that very notion, whether it's you know working with the chakras or whether it's, you know um I do the soul path and you know it's particularly women, they come out with a soul path of comma, which is pleasure and joy. And it's the hardest one for females to accept. They cannot accept that the soul path, like your reason, your purpose for being here on this earth currently right now would be to have pleasure and joy. In fact, they can't even accept that it is one of the four soul paths. Like how can it be a soul purpose
00:26:05
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for you to come here and have joy and pleasure. It's so hard for women to accept that. And it's because of social conditioning. Yeah. And then I'm guessing a lot of your clients are American as well, because Americans have trouble with that. Oh, most Americans. And will say, oh,
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I would say marginalized communities, right? Because I think marginalized communities in general, um we come from an era of survival, right? And when you're coming from an era of survival, there's no joy, right? Like, I gotta to i gotta to eat. I have to feed these kids, right? And we have felt like we we we didn't,
00:26:59
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um We don't get to have that space, right? That's for a certain community. That's for a certain people. um That's for a certain um so income level. And then the the American culture is dominated by this, um you know, the Anglo-Saxon, Protestant Christian, work hard, work through your salvation. We work, we work, we work.
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Right, right. You know, there's a whole theology of God doesn't like fun. And it's like, really? That's why people sang and danced? Right. Right. And then um there's the guilt you experience when you have joy. who There's people out there dying. There's no one got shot again. Yes. There's wars in all these parts of the world. How can I be here having joy?
00:27:51
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Right. Right. A lot of social justice people who do social justice work have trouble with that, you know, because lawyers have trouble with that because we're afraid of not being seen as serious and competent. Mm hmm. And professional. Yeah. And professional. And I've learned to release that as well. And I've embraced it. I deserve joy. And then like you said, one of the soul paths like that happened in the Olympics recently. Right. Wasn't there the God, Bacchanal, Dionysius? You know, these are like the ancient Greek.
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and um Roman mythology,
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because it was all over social media because people misinterpreted it and purposely or not. I don't know. I try not to get caught up in those. I'm like, what are people mad about? It's like, oh, these are Greek gods. Remember the Olympics came from ancient Greek, but OK.
00:28:49
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But you go to all these ancient cultures, all the continents, they all have some aspect of joy, partying, fun, pleasure. Yeah. But somehow we come to the US and... Work, work, work, work, work, get that money, get paid, survive, like quick work, work, work, work, work. Right. And so um we just point that out, not to pass judgment, but so we understand where are where are these ideas coming from?
00:29:18
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There's layers of it, right? If you're American, then if you're from a marginalized community, and then, you know, my parents are immigrants, so when they came here, it's all about work, work, work, we came here for a reason. So it's like, okay, after I peel back all these layers, what is the matter?
Reconnecting with Childhood Passions
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Then we get to the trauma. The trauma lying to you and telling you you you don't deserve to have joy. And the trauma is trying to protect itself.
00:29:46
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Because if you like the more you experience joy, the more you will heal.
00:29:51
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So now we have to peel back that layer. And then now we're at the point of, OK, not only can I have joy without guilt, I deserve it. And I may need it to help me heal. And so now what is it that you'd like to do? Now you can create space in your schedule, create space in your budget,
00:30:16
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Right, but no one's telling you to go splurge and spend all your money and not- Right. Right. Now Ferrari's like, they're new hobbies, Ferraris. Okay, let me just talk about that. We need to run for a while. We're saving, okay? Right? So it's like, and it doesn't have to be elaborate. You don't need to take a whole vacation and fly to another country and, you know, it don't have to be that simple.
00:30:44
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it right it could dry Like for me, I just sit down and boom, I have a thought about a story and I sit down and I write it. And then like you said before too, with time, another signpost, when you're doing it, you lose of time completely. I was like, I'm gonna spend an hour at lunch writing my books. Three hours would fly by without me even knowing it. wow And I was like, no way it's been three hours. into it
00:31:16
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Yeah. That's another signpost, right? And so you're like, okay, one, let me change my schedule to about three hours. Let me set a timer. And three, oh yeah, I love this. I love this. I love this. is This is bringing me joy. What I love about that is that, um
00:31:44
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I used to, I had, I had, I'll call them clients, but they weren't paying me right when I was in the Navy. And I had people that I was working with. And I would, you know, we were always looking for stress relievers, right? Because the military is super stressful. And we were always looking for stress relievers. And, um and and my guidance was, listen,
00:32:08
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if it isn't bringing you joy, if it's causing more stress, then it's not a stress reliever. And the reason why I bring that up is because I used to do that to myself, right? I used to be like, oh, you know what? I'm going to pick up this new instrument, and you know this is going to be my new stress reliever. And at the end of a practice stress, and I'm way more stressed than I was in the beginning,
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not a stress reliever. It may be something that you want to do. It may be something you want to develop, and and it may be, right? So categorize it that way, and don't say, I'm going to make this my stress reliever, because no, it doesn't work that way. That's why I love really the three signposts that you're giving, because yes, um you lose track of time, as opposed to keep looking at the clock, oh man, 10 more minutes of practice.
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um signs. But yeah, losing track of time. You really feel the joy of it. um i I want to share this real quick one time too. i wasn't I was in my first tour in Japan. And I
Creative Hobbies for Personal Fulfillment
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was given this guidance to a Marine. And the Marine looked at me and said, well Chaps, what's your hobby? What do you do for fun? And I didn't have an answer.
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And it really, it it was an eye opener for me and it was an awakening for me. I didn't have an answer. And it rocked me. And I was like, what am I doing? I'm giving all this advice and I don't have one. And I'm sharing this because I know that there may be somebody listening who's in this place.
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I kept telling myself, oh, I wish I had the talent. I wish I could paint. I wish i I could paint and it would be beautiful. I wish I had the talent. And I was doing things here and there.
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um that was suppressing that desire. For example, i was I was doing cross-stitching and number cross-stitching because that's that's easier and I just follow the pattern and then it comes out something beautiful as opposed to the stress I felt of free-form painting. And so it blocked me from painting and I just kept telling myself, oh, I wish I could paint, I wish I could paint, I wish I could paint. And after that, Maureen asked me that question. I went back to my room and I was like, eff it.
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I'm painting. And I ordered the, I'm bringing it up because you said it doesn't have to be expensive. It doesn't have to be, you know, I just went on Amazon or Walmart, I can't remember which one now, but I went on one of them and I ordered cheap canvas and cheap paint, which if you're a painter, you don't do, but I did. Cause I'm like, really? It's for me in my closed door room.
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to just stress relief. It's something I've always wanted to do and I'm just going to do it in my room
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and I'm just going to love the process and love myself through it and I'm going to love the product no matter what is on this damn canvas. And I don't have to convince anybody otherwise and I'm going to love it. And I and i did that. and I'm looking back on it now, you know and I'm so, so glad that I that i did that. um And i so I appreciate what you're saying. right i'm I'm seeing those things where you lose track of time, and it doesn't have to be expensive, and you actually experience joy out of it, and you don't feel the pressure of selling or making you know marketing or making money out of it. But ah you get to tap into those parts of yourselves.
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Right? That those parts of yourself that, that they don't go away.
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So it's like that Howard Thurman quote, right? Don't ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive. Because have come alive because what the world needs is people who have come alive.
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Oh, that is so powerful. That is so powerful.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, can you believe, Jocelyn, that we are actually out of time? What? Can I give one more signpost? I know I'm like, you go right out of time. Here's the last signpost I want to give. OK. What did you love as a child? I loved painting when I was a child and making up little stories and cartoons and watching movies, right? So all of that is coming together. And I love teaching and mentoring.
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I loved that as a child. I really did. And I made my brother sign a contract. He went to about $4 a dollar. And I wrote a contract. I had no idea where I got that from. But, right? And so the law and the paint, all of that all goes back to my childhood. So I asked, you know, the little child inside of you, help me remember what I love to do. And I go back to it, right? So scripture tells us that.
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be childlike, not childish, childlike in your faith. And so that's why it tells us that, because when we're children, we're so open. So open, so pure, so connected, mostly to ourselves. Yeah. Mostly to ourselves. Remembering that is going to help you. And then you can really tap into the current joy. And I hope you become absolutely won Yes, so beautiful, such a beautiful conversation. Thank you so much for lending your time, for lending your energy um and these these nuggets, these gold nuggets of wisdom. And again, now someone is like,
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