Transcript
Speaker: Hey everybody, welcome back. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Benton Glaser. I don't sound like I'm underwater today. Hooray! Yay! Still a cough here there, but like I am just like a thousand times better than I was last week. Oh my God. Nice. So how's your beer? How's your beer? It's this. Oh, the tapa. Get to the tapa. One of my clients brought me some because she has a place up there. Thank you.
Speaker: So you want, if you want to find us, check us out on your favorite podcast app. We are everywhere. Download rate review where you found us. Yeah, right. So just just just subscribe there. Wherever you found us, subscribe there. Yeah. Or if you have a more preferred one, subscribe there. But yes, if you have a preferred one that we're there. I'm actually weird. I go back and forth between Spotify and Apple podcast.
Speaker: I've been just sticking with Apple myself. I don't have Spotify. I'm old. What do you have, Pandora? Shut up. I also have Apple Music, so I don't really... Yeah. That's awesome. So, like, I don't really need... I don't even use Pandora that much. I just use my Apple account.
Speaker: There you go. Well, all right. So you're kind of ahead of you, at least. Jeez, that was way too funny for me. I'm good. By our friend, George, the fans are a coffee or beer, however you wish to put it. If you were successful in any way, she performed last week, then that was probably one reason why, because you followed anything that he had to say, especially all the shit that hit the fan. A lot of shit in a lot of fans.
Speaker: Not fun. No, not at all. Not at all. Grab your TRM upgrades. Obviously, we're talking back into TRM here pretty soon in the coming weeks. It's going to help with time because also, we don't know who's going to pick up COVID now. Right. Oh, it could be.
Speaker: Exactly. Like, yeah, we just don't know anything. It's crazy out there right now. Absolutely fucking nuts. So, I mean, we're seeing it in the U .S. and our football and whatnot. Like, there's games tonight. It's Tuesday. We're recording early, but it's still like, it's Tuesday. There's two games going on at the same time. Like, they didn't even, they couldn't even schedule them for like, you know, a 7 p .m. Eastern, 7 p .m. Pacific. They're both kicking off at 7 p .m. Eastern.
Speaker: weird because everybody fucking panic so I mean yeah for yeah there's there's I guess significant reason they don't want to cancel the games but come on they're gonna be garbage oh yes absolutely um and next and then when they play next week they'll be garbage too yeah so but need you to hear I'm upgrade so you can know you know who's in who's out um this week even I thought I didn't even look in um both of us really didn't look over Lester's
Speaker: Yeah. I got caught with our pants down. Thanks. Jared's like, Oh, at least I caught Genj cause he didn't catch Ford. And I'm like, Oh, I caught Ford shit. I didn't catch. Wait a minute. This is not, no. Yeah. Um, the TRM upgrades make it super easy. Um,
Speaker: You know, even the Superbrew makes it easy. It's not nearly as easy. It's just a little dot that you might not see because you're not even looking at it. You're like, yeah, no problem. He's in my lineup. Wait a minute. Yeah. So but TRM makes it very clear, you know, green dot green. That's all you need to know. Red dot out. OK. As as always, black lives matter and there is no room for racism. Big.
Speaker: big social media issues. So shocker of the day, people hiding behind the council, stuff like that. The one I want to kind of start off with is unrelated to rugby, but my club Fulham had one of their players didn't play very well in his match last night. Like it was Cabana, Niskin Cabano. And unfortunately, a very, you know, over enthusiastic fan, we'll call him, decided that being a racist dick was a good idea to him. So then sent him some really nasty messages. So
Speaker: not the fuck yeah like like listen i was just i was disappointed too okay but that didn't mean i wanted to go call out the players for that shit because that's not their fault and even anything worth it yeah and it's not like kids doing that these are like fucking grown ass men a lot of them are yeah and just
Speaker: need to be a knob about it. It's like it's sport. Just fucking get over it. Right. But the other one is with Celia Tuipolotu, the young 18 year old Welsh woman that plays for Gloucester Harper that
Speaker: was tearing up trees this weekend. Some bellend said, she is hardly Welsh and no, I'm not a racist and you go to his profile and he's clearly a racist. Well, how to sell yourself out in 12 easy steps. She's like, what the fuck man? I don't wanna hear that shit. And yes, she is Welsh. She was born in Newport.
Speaker: I don't understand how you get less Welsh than that. That's the problem. It's never just racism. That's what people need to understand. It's not about racism. It's about white supremacy. It's about we belong and you don't. We get things you don't. It's not just
Speaker: I don't like you because of the color of your skin. It's more than that. Yeah, that's why we talk about this stuff. It doesn't matter to him where she was born. She doesn't look the way he believes she should to be well, so automatically. And it's like, that's the mentality and that's such bullshit.
Speaker: So yeah, need people to call that out. You know, it's, it's happening. It's good. We support that. Yeah. No, I never in the reaction was overwhelmingly like your deck shut up. Yeah. And there was one person that was trying to egg everybody on, but he got no play from anybody. So that was about it. Shut up.
Speaker: No, shut up, man. Like, yep, sorry, you're this. This is the new world. Deal with it. Shut your face. OK, as has been stated before, everybody panic.
Speaker: Um, you know, the, the, obviously there was a ton of matches called off this past weekend for champions cup. And magically somehow there are weekends now that are going to be made available. I don't know where those come from, but I don't know. It's bullshit that there were four fits at all this week. Um, yeah, the whole thing. Nope. It's more than just a panic. Everybody pooped themselves.
Speaker: really badly. And by everyone, I mean, you know, the people running the show. And it was weird because like, there was the, they're talking about it and then the French come right out and like, we are not playing at all. Right.
Speaker: Whoa, everybody stop. Hold on a second. Wait a minute. And they're like, OK, maybe we play. Like fucking wasps flew down. Yeah, at least Pudsey did. I don't know if the whole team did, but like they were both teams are putting out lineups, like everything. And then it was like, no, no, no, no, some of us can't or this and that. It's just
Speaker: Uh, yeah, poorly, poorly done. Let it all, all at the last moment. Of course. What else do you do? Right? Right. How else do you do it other than last minute? Yeah. And I feel like it's a little ridiculous to have like, yeah, like you said, the, you know, the fact that the, the Leinster game was called off and given a forfeit and that the wrestling game was called off and given a forfeit site. These are, and everything else is postponed. Why? Yeah.
Speaker: What? So yeah, no, it doesn't make any sense. And I don't care what, what technical rules are down on paper. That's shit. Call me kooky. But yeah, no, I just
Speaker: You know, and you know, over here we have NHL shut down for the through Christmas. That's, that's great. I mean, that's smart. Right. But well, and there's, it's a two -edged sword. Like, okay. You want stem to flow, but like, you're going to still be, you're going to now be left with a really crunch schedule. So it's like, you know, um, I know the premier league was talking about taking a break, um, but.
Speaker: Actually, some of the bigger managers are like, listen, if this thing goes away in a break, sign me up. If it doesn't go away in a week.
Speaker: let's just do what we can to keep playing. And thankfully there's more parameters in rugby and the Premier League that allowed teams to be put out as opposed to the salary caps, although the NBA modified theirs, thankfully, finally somebody fucking thought of that. But like, you know, yeah, you have a player that has COVID, like you need to start, you need to like amend some of the CBA stuff that says we can sign a player for X amount of dollars, you know, for X amount of time.
Speaker: like yep that'd be good because that would help you feel the team and not be you know scraping the bottom of the barrel you know so it's it's it's annoying if nothing else and it was really annoying for fantasy which is the most important thing it always all comes back to fantasy
Speaker: Yeah, just an unfortunate situation all around. And although the rugby was...
Speaker: moderately reasonably okay. Yeah, it depends on which mask. Right. If you could watch it at all. Anyway, let's, I mean, and I will say the upside of everything I'm hearing about this new variant is or spreading like a wildfire, right? But if you're vaccinated, like most of us that had a brain and, you know, some sort of like scientific belief, it's no worse than the common cold.
Speaker: So that's the upside, I suppose. I said, I'm sorry, there's anybody that's exposed that doesn't have the vaccine is going to be in trouble. Right. You know, and I just don't personally, I don't really want to deal with it because there are cases where it gets worse. And I'm like, yeah, I'd rather just not get it at all. But yeah, oh, yeah. But it's it's spreading quickly than in different ways. So I'm like, yeah, none of this is good. So
Speaker: Just kind of if it feels crappy even though it's yeah as you said, probably not you know nothing to worry about, but still, I don't like it. I don't like that we still have to deal with this shit. Well, I don't know we have to deal with it. We can't just do the right thing and handle it, but
Speaker: Well, yeah, I mean, Jesus, that's a long, that's a longer conversation. We're way beyond that conversation, but it's going to open up a can of worms. I just come back to it in my head every fucking minute. Same. Well, I'm with you on that one, but that's where we're at now. Yeah. Excuse me.
Speaker: other news. Joe Schmidt is now going to rejoin up with New Zealand rugby and he's going to be a selector, which is interesting because we talked about his coaching style in terms of what the team did on the field and it was a little bit lackluster by the time the end of his era came. But as a selector,
Speaker: You got to believe it's going to be a nice fresh pair of eyes for the all blacks to say, all right, this guy has been hanging on for way too effing long. Let's get rid of him. You know, right. And this kid is clearly going to be better than this kid. The guy is one day. Let's start playing him a little bit more, please. Right. Stuff like that. Right.
Speaker: It's fascinating to see something like that because he does bring, no matter what, he brings an outsider's perspective. And I think one of the things that the Kiwis lack right now is perspective. They're very much, they have been
Speaker: And it kind of seems that way for, well, maybe not so much Australia. They're just kind of just inept. But like South Africa, too, very much like we do what we do. And that's it. And it helps. It gets you to that level. But the Kiwis are finding out, oh, you know, teams can start hanging with us. What are they seeing that we're not in ourselves that we're not seeing? They're seeing weaknesses. What are we missing?
Speaker: And Schmidt has relevant experience in that. Right. And he's he brings the to back to them, you know, eight years of being in the northern hemisphere and playing against these northern hemispheres on the reg. So it's something that their weaknesses and right. And they don't. And the New Zealand doesn't play every northern hemisphere team every year. Right. So it's you know, they need something like that, something that they had year in, year out experience for.
Speaker: eight years on who does what, especially with the fact that most of the, I think PVAX, the only one really that is, you know, Schmidt didn't coach against everybody else that's there. I think he did. So yeah, there's, there's upside there in that. So I was like, okay, that's, that's actually also that. So obviously that's good. And he knows it. And he knows Andy Farrell because Andy Farrell was on the staff. So
Speaker: There's a lot there that he can add to that team and just be like, all right, listen, you need this guy to beat this team. Like he's the exact type that makes their life miserable. So you're going to pick him in the squad. I don't care if it's the bench or the starting, but you need to pick him. Okay. Okay. You know, so it'll, it'll help. And you know, he'll get.
Speaker: And he'll bring in guys to camps that are, you know, not necessarily somebody that, you know, whether it's a Fauzi or, um,
Speaker: Try to take a plum tree. Say, wait a minute. I know. I know. I know it because he's cut to hurricanes, plum tree or whoever, you know, any of those guys, he if they're missing something, he's going to bring that new thing. Like, actually, this guy's pretty good. He might not look great right now, but like he's going to be pretty good. So maybe we just pick him and start bringing him along. Yeah, because there are definitely guys like we talk about it a lot.
Speaker: if you've listened even a little bit to us, you've heard us probably talk about how this guy is just another guy. Like, yeah, he's good, but like he got the esteem he has now because he was super good when he was young and everybody thought he had potential and that he never just really rose from there. But you keep him around anyway, because you're like, no, no, no, maybe this is the year. And it's like,
Speaker: No, if you run your five, if it was going to be the year, it would have been at last year at the latest. You would have had it. Yeah, you would have had it by now. We got, you know, 30 other guys waiting in the wings. Let's go with one of them. So. And with luck, you can keep a guy like not a lot more pay from, you know, jumping ship. Right. Like, yeah, over, you know, you'd rather have clean to play on the team, really.
Speaker: Okay, I think I think in the here's the thing, like, I don't hate any of the centers of save to paya that they've used between yoani and ALB and good you. I don't hate those guys. You've got the options there. But but at the same time, Lamape is what he was so special and like,
Speaker: that was really just a huge botch. And I'm sure they're going to kick themselves in their ass for the rest of the eternity. But you know, you don't want to repeat that either. So you got to have somebody that can tell you, here's how to not fucking do that again. Okay. Everybody understand? Yes. Okay, cool. All right. So yeah, it'll be interesting. And yeah, I do look forward to seeing what he brings to them. All right.
Speaker: It's the Festivus for the rest of us. Yes, it is that time of year, right before Christmas, where, you know, obviously, a tradition
Speaker: decades old at this point. I don't know when when Festivus exactly arrives, but it's probably more than 20 years ago at this point. So anyway, yeah, the Seinfeld reference. But every year, Jared and I, you know, towards the end of the year, decide we want to do a couple of things. First off, you know, we have our was the first is the airing of grievances starts first. I got a couple of those. Yeah, I got I'm just going with one.
Speaker: Okay, fair enough. That's a feat of strength right there in itself. Right. And then Oh, no, as our complaint, and the feat of strength is, say something good about something or someone you don't like. That's that's your feat of strength. I devised these in like, every year. Yeah, it's um,
Speaker: It's something like the feet of strength. I try to make it extremely difficult for me to do, but it's also a true opinion. So there we go. Mike, Mike, but I'll start off with my my bones to pick. And it's only the one. And I shouldn't have to say it more than once, but apparently I do.
Speaker: London Irish, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. Stop pushing him. I even saw a defense of the Irish today saying, oh, but he's the third best fly half in the league. And the response is, OK, he's the third best fly half in the league, and he's good enough to get you to seventh overall. No.
Speaker: He's not that good. Like, stop making it about that. He's not good. And it's not worth it. Like, don't just shut the fuck up. So nobody knows. That's that's my.
Speaker: That's my major complaint. There's too many other ones that are obvious. There's a lot out there. My second complaint really will be involved in my feat of strength. Okay, fair enough. I think I can give you that one. All right. So for me, it's
Speaker: And it's, it's sad that there's an actual official account that's involved in this shit, but like the, the accounts of tweets that, that, that just want to rage engage as I'm calling it. That's what they want. They want raged engagement. Like people just getting triggered and you know, certainly the regularly at once. And the sad thing is like sale official is like actually a culprit in this, which is bad. Like you can't have an official rugby account
Speaker: being involved in this, let alone the faceless, idiot ones that are out there.
Speaker: whatever it is, what it is. There's enough out there that people are going to naturally disagree, but let's have civil conversations about it and not try and get people all fucking redlined and, you know, red screened as I, as I think I termed it once, you know, and just like smashing the keyboards over and over again. Like we, it doesn't, it doesn't help. It doesn't help. We don't need that much infighting in here, you know? And here's my, here's what I do. I
Speaker: I don't engage, I go to type out a tweet, and then I don't. Like, at the very least. Like, I just don't engage. It's the engagement that boosts it. If they get, you know, they get likes, they get retweets. You retweet something, you're like, look at this shitty take. All you're doing is adding to the engagement. Don't do it. If you're going to do that shit, take a fucking screenshot, tweet that.
Speaker: Like totally. That's that's how you do it. Because the whole point is you don't want people going to the tweet to have to see it. You know, you link to it, they'll go to it. Like you just put up an image and they have to they have to go find it now. And then half the time I see some tweets like that. I'm like, oh, I want to go like that tweet. And I can't because I can't. I'm like, yeah, fuck it. I'm not bothering to find it. Yeah, right.
Speaker: you lower the engagement and then they like that lessens their power. Don't don't bite. But yes, they fucking suck. And it's just that it's the biting, you know, the nibbling at the bait. That's the that's what gets them going. It's like they're both their reason for being in their reason that they still exist. It's a cycle. Yeah. As Tom Hardy once said, that's bait. Exactly. Don't take it. And they can go fuck themselves. Agreed.
Speaker: Excuse me. And the second one is with like the world rugby and world rugby refereeing. Stop pushing referees just because we need referees, quote unquote. We don't need referees. There's plenty out there. The likes of like Mike Adams and Craig Evans and to a lesser extent Chris Offordly that are not up to standard, that are being pushed to the front of the line for no fucking reason is really, really fucking annoying.
Speaker: like be better about finding officials that are going to officiate a game that is to a high standard accuracy and consistency and also tends to produce a watchable match nobody's perfect but like
Speaker: If nine times out of 10, the referee that's calling the game is the first two things I said, accurate and consistent to, you know, within margin, nobody's playing, nobody's perfect. And the rugby you watch is really good. Shouldn't you push that person to the front? Like, we can all agree that those three I named before, the games are always like, oh, no, not this guy. Yeah. Can I say to that point,
Speaker: Um, and we'll get to it later when we talk to them about the matches and I'll just tease it out as the most watchable match of the weekend had by far the best referee. And he needs more, uh, more work. I need, I want to see him more. Yeah. It's just a teaser for later. Yeah.
Speaker: funny how those things work. So yeah, we just, you know, stop and honestly, we've talked about it before. There are women referees that I would trust nine times that took 10 more than some of the guys that are being pushed right now. Like Holly Davidson is the comes to top of mind for me. I know Joy Neville is pretty good. I know Sarah Cox was pretty good on her day. You know, parrots pretty good. Like we
Speaker: push them, push them out there and get them because they are way better replacements than some of the fucking idiots that are being peddled right now. And it's really effing annoying. So I need to stop this shit before I start kicking screens. Y 'all owe me a TV if you do otherwise. All right. So you're, you're going to be up for feet of strength first.
Speaker: Okay. Um, so two for one, which is hilarious because that we just hit on this. Um, my feet of strength is to one Matthew Carly, um, with Matthew Carly, the players always know where they stand with him. And that does make it easier in many ways to go about your business on the paddock. So I commend him for that. Um, and you all, and he actually, which is something that's becoming rarer and I don't understand it. Um, he trusts his team of officials that's
Speaker: working to match with him to make decisions. Like, oh, it's that? Okay, thank you. Done. Like he actually listens to them and takes their advice, or even seeks it out, which is even better. You know, as a referee, you should be doing that, you know? So I, you know, that is one thing I can definitely say to Matt Kylie's benefit. He's still kind of a dickhead though.
Speaker: Yeah, I think it's time to trust them too much. I think we heard a couple of times this weekend like a TMO.
Speaker: ring in and the referee was like, or not a TML, the, uh, one of the, um, ARs say, I saw that and he's like, no, it was the, you know, when you hear a lot of times you hear like ball was out, um, was probably, it was usually the, the, uh, AR saying, Hey, that was offside, you know, cause it's well after the play and then he's like, no balls out. Like, so there's, I don't think, um, he has that enough yet, but.
Speaker: He'll get there one way over the other, honestly, but I do. Yeah, you do. I think I agree with that. You know, trust your, your crew. That's, you know, as much as you need to and, uh, be decisive. Yeah. That's, that's, you know, whether you're not even makes the right decisions. Okay. But at least, you know, the decision. Yep. Um, okay. My, my feet of strength. Um, this requires.
Speaker: removal of all context to it and just it for what it is. And when I say what I'm talking about, you'll understand. Remove all context, anything that else that's going on at the whole world. Razzie Erasmus' Twitter account is fucking hilarious. Hilarious.
Speaker: Like, I can't not laugh at like dude is owning it right now and good for him. I don't like how this has come about. I'm just the dancing, just the drinking that just
Speaker: fucking about the shit house area. It's, it's so like he's, he's right. When he says this is not a weakness. This is a strength. It's, it's shit house. It is ultimate shit house. And
Speaker: It's one of those like from the anchorman like, I don't like you, but I sure do respect you. I feel like there's a code. If you're going to run B player's code, you got to respect the shit out. At some level, you got to respect it.
Speaker: Um, some more than others and there's, there's a tolerance level to it. So I will, yes, Razi. Um, I really don't like what you did. I don't like, I, you deserve to be where you are. I don't like that you're enjoying it, but it's fucking hilarious. Party on, sir. Party on Wayne. Party on Razi. Absolutely.
Speaker: All right. Um, let's go. Let's go to round two. Um, we've done it. We've done our, we've done our pizza strength and we've done our, uh, we've had our grievances. So everything's out there. Everybody else gather on the silver pole. And if you have something you need to say, just say it. Okay. It's what I encourage. Let us know. Tag us if you need to. Yeah. Um, yeah, that'd be kind of fun. I'd be okay with seeing pizza strength and the, and, and airing agreement says, um,
Speaker: Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, go ahead and do that if anybody's very ways inclined to. Ulster Rugby and Northampton Saints at the Kingspan from Friday night feels like ages ago at this point. At least for me at least. It's fucking Tuesday. It feels like that was a year ago. I went and listened. I drove for 14 hours this past weekend. Oh, that's true. You did. And you didn't get in a fight.
Speaker: No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Maybe that was my feet of strength right there. It was. Anyway, to the match. Better from Northampton still. And I will say this one thing about Chris Boyd, he knows it's better, but he's still not satisfied. So I do admire that. No, and he fucking well shouldn't be they how they we need to weigh this match. I am so I was so
Speaker: and annoyed by the Saints in this one. Too many, you know, again, the kicks at goal. Another mic drop on that one. They outplayed Ulster. They were playing better than them.
Speaker: like the whole way through. And yeah, it was unlike Mitchell, that whole thing is an aside, but like you're outside of stupid penalties and knock every time you fucking get it, you can't feel the restart, like
Speaker: outside of like a few stupid things like that, like way stupid, Saints were so out playing Ulster, so out playing them. And instead, you know, when you're out playing a team, you go for tries, you know, you don't just kick the points. And especially not when every time you restart, you're dropping the ball and give it to them. Yeah, they could not sort that one out. That's for sure. Geez. Yeah, at that point, stop taking three and go for seven. And it just the
Speaker: What was it? The 19 six when they kicked the penalty to go to 19 nine, you fucking kidding me, like score two tries. Like you're still, you're still two tries away from the lead. So it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter. It's definitely one of those things where you're like, dude, that, that don't know. Nope. Next. Keep going. God damn it. Why are you doing that? Right now. And that.
Speaker: That yellow was bullshit. I was less than impressed with that. The penalty try was something else. It was just another level. Mitchell was in better position to catch that than the wing. I thought the pass was behind. I don't know if it was McElroy or Gilroy, whoever it was, doesn't matter. I thought the pass was behind him.
Speaker: Mitchell was in position to catch it. It's not like he was leaning and trying to... It wasn't off his fingernail or anything. Yeah, it's not like his only play was to punch the ball away. We've seen that enough. He was legit going to catch it and just missed. And at that point, if you want to give him a penalty, that should be okay. You actually tried to catch it and you missed. There is your penalty.
Speaker: But like the penalty trying the yellow card was just and that was that was two tries right there, which killed. Yeah, that was that was the second penalty trying and then the four. That was the Herring try. It was. Yeah. Oh, and then the but then the McElroy try the McElroy try. Yes. I mean, that was that was that was because the Saints were a man down and they just you were able to chip the space and try dude step pretty nice, though.
Speaker: Oh, it was fucking sweet. Don't get me wrong. But if states have 15 on the pitch, it's not happening. So yeah.
Speaker: And that's my whole spiel on that. I thought the Saints, I disappointed because the Saints would were, in my opinion, been traditionally a team that really opens it up and goes, falls out in this tournament. And they kind of have shriveled, mincy little weenie balls in this one. So I'm not, I'm
Speaker: They didn't deserve to win it. So yeah, played Ulster. I mean, so I'm not trying to dismiss Ulster. No, no. I mean, Timoni played brilliantly. Like we said, the McElroy try was absolutely fucking amazing. Yeah, I will say to you know, he got that wrong. But
Speaker: Mike Adamson, are you paying attention? He did allow the Mitchell trial, which initially we all thought, hmm, that needs to look. And then we're all like, nope, actually it didn't need to look, it was fine. And that's the type of shit where it's like,
Speaker: See, exhibit A right here, you fucker. Like, come on, man. Like, this guy's got to figure it out. Yes, he's fucked up other places, but at least he figured that shit out. Like, come on, man. So, yeah, yeah. Ulster were brilliant in many ways. There's no denying that by any means. Could Saints, well, Saints almost did, but could they have matched and punched for punch and even made this even closer? Yes. I totally, I totally believe that as well. So you're not wrong on that. But yes, this Ulster team,
Speaker: We're having fun. No question about that. Certainly. But it was, yeah, and it was great. And I love the looks of like, Mike Lowry, who seems to have a nice little bit of vision about him. And there were other wingers, Gilroy and McElroy, like, yep, very, very good. That center pairing was pretty good. Even once more had to come on from a class you like, wow, just wow. And then the man, the player of the match, Nick Timoni was just
Speaker: house. He was a workhorse, 13 tackles, 12 carries. I mean, the boy needed a bath after that for sure. No doubt about it. Yeah, it was a wee bit disappointing if you were a Saints fan, no doubt.
Speaker: Yeah, no doubt. But that's two from two for Ulster. That's that's a good start. That's very, very good start. You know, last I checked that usually got you pretty damn close to the knockout around at least. Oh, they're they're in. They just got it. Now it's what's either they want. Absolutely. Saturday morning, I actually got to watch this one shortly after it happened because I had time. Quinn's in Cardiff.
Speaker: If last week was spirited from Cardiff, I don't know how to describe this because this was very good. And obviously this is a week or this is another week of the same group training together, which helps obviously, especially when you're bringing in a bunch of, you know, a bunch of the bin juice. And that's just how it is, you know, no disrespect because they all played very well. But, you know, we know that
Speaker: There was a lot to be desired from the team. By the time we got to the depth spot, at least, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It was once like, I mean, this game, Cardiff could not have started this game any better. That the bottom tackle on Dombrandt, like this is what you do when Dombrandt gets his first touch. That's what you do to him. If you want to, if you want to shut him down for a little bit, it's like, whoa, like who?
Speaker: Have you ever, it's been a while since I've seen Dom Brant have to question themselves. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And it was all perfectly legal, you know, lifted him up. Yes. But took him down fine. But fucking little brother tackle that was. Yeah. Fuck you, big brother. And yeah, that kind of set the tone.
Speaker: Cardiff just played such balls out as far as they could. You knew it wasn't going to last because eventually they'd have to go to the bench.
Speaker: Damn, even thought they still took a couple minutes after they went to their bench for for quins to break through and then I think I think they were just hoping that maybe, maybe they kept themselves in it just long enough to to see it through and now it was like starting to believe your they didn't quite reach starting to believe territory it was always like
Speaker: Oh, maybe these kids might. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe I want to see more. And then, you know, it's like, no, this isn't happening. How'd you feel about the Adams yellow, which me personally fine with it? I was well, I was with Nolly. I was penalty. I was on penalty only. I didn't like the way I didn't like the way he lifted. It was a little bit of danger in it. And I don't think that I also don't think that it was a leap.
Speaker: Um, by green. So I think that was, that was more of the way I, the way I interpret it was that, um, green going ass over tea kettle was more because of what Adams did than anything, um, green did. So I was fine with the yellow. I was on, I was on penalty only. I thought, I thought kind of on the line. I'm kind of on the line, but I.
Speaker: I thought it was fair, especially if you're a fucking lion tackle better. Maybe that's it. Yeah. No, I was, I was on penalty, but thought the yellow was a wee, wee on the harsh side. Um, and then it didn't, I mean, you knew things were going to start to happen with that Marcus Smith trial, like the break.
Speaker: the feed, the back to Smith. And I was like, all right, they're awake. Now they're awake. Oh, man. I was like, I was making people in the house I was in fucking be like, what the fuck is going on? I was losing my mind. It was awesome. And like, the best part of that is if you're a coach,
Speaker: Like that's it right there. Um, the line break that, and you saw the V there's this player on the left player on the right. Um, and you know, green was pretty well covered as well. He should be, they thought they were being cute by covering green, but right. It's like, no, Dom break can run too. And, uh, and he can offload and.
Speaker: Yeah, it was just a, I think that's what they thought. They were like, okay, look, and that's true. This is exactly the way I would play it. Like, Green's the Danger Man, make Dom Brant beat shit, and he fucking did it easily, but that's just because he's that good. Right. Just wondrous, wondrous from your own end. Like, that's the kind of stuff that, you know, Saints, you know, I would have thought Saints would be trying.
Speaker: They never really opened it up like that. But that's what you got to do. You got to be able to open it up. And I thought Cardiff opened it up well, too. I thought they I mean, they attacked all out. They did everything they had.
Speaker: Lilo and Cabango were quite good in the back line for them. And when it, when it, this only mistake that I, that, that I saw, and I, you know, the comms mentioned it too. And I had the same thought at the same time was when he knocked on the, the high ball and they were like, that's this first, and it's not a terrible mistake. Everybody fucking does it. Yeah.
Speaker: So like that's not a that's not a that's not a rookie mistake. That's just a mistake. So like fuck good for him. Yep, totally win it. And just yeah, what a what a match he had and fuck he's 18. Yeah, not so bad. Excuse me. Yeah, Kibango or are definitely they made my I want to see more of them. Radar. Yeah. Yep.
Speaker: Does Caden Murley have that 11 shirt now? Or at least basically, does he have a shirt in the first team from now on? Because I thought he's, since he's gotten into the starting lineup more often than not, I thought he's looked pretty darn good. Nine times out of 10. Yeah. And just looks like he's always got the bit between his teeth and ready to take it on. You know, no question about it.
Speaker: So I don't see why not. And like, I mean, it really, yeah, you'd really, if you're, if you're going, well, that's the thing. And it depends on if you want Northmore in because if you went Northmore in, then it's, um, it's marching on the wing. It is. So that's, and that's to me, the, um, the, the decision there. I personally like Northmore more than Murley, but I really like Murley. So it's like.
Speaker: Yeah, I don't know permanent. You know, if they're feeling their best 23, he's still in it. Clearly in it. 11 is I'd say a flip of the coin coaches decision depending on matchup. Yeah, it's it seems it. So he's definitely in the plans, I'd say. Oh, certainly. No, I'm not I'm not disagreeing. I'm not trying to poo poo it because he's he's in the 16. How about that? Yeah, right.
Speaker: Speaking of 16, I thought Jack Musk came on and did a really good job considering getting to come on at halftime. And that's, he hasn't played that extensive amount of minutes very often. So yeah, good on him for coming in and getting the job done. When, you know, they either saw something in Walker that they didn't like, or he was hurt. It didn't matter. Right.
Speaker: because yeah, that could have been easily a turning point where Cardiff actually stayed tight throughout the whole half and actually ended up pulling away, so. Two more things I wanted to get to. One, and I'll do them quick. One, Quinn's are still not getting what they need from Hugh Jones. And I say that with the caveat that it took Greene and Esther Hazen longer than Hugh Jones has had currently. It took them longer to get going. So don't,
Speaker: He's not done. Don't, don't hit the eject button. Oh yeah. Don't hit the panic button yet. Yeah. It's just, he needs more, he needs more time in the kitchen. Um, and the other thing is to me, this, uh, this match and this referee, Frank Murphy, uh, I thought he did the best job of, of any, um, of any referee this weekend. I thought he did it just, I didn't notice him.
Speaker: You know, as you pointed out, there was the one questionable decision about the yellow. But again, I had the same interpretation, so I understand, but I also understand the other side of it. But that alone, I mean, that didn't change the outcome. So it's just a, like,
Speaker: Other than that, I didn't notice him. It wasn't like certain things were just like, I can't believe the ref called that or I can't believe the ref missed that. I didn't notice that. I was just watching the rugby and being like, no, this is good stuff. And it was flowing and he kept it flowing and didn't have to stop it until, you know, someone knocked it on or clearly hit a penalty, like, you know, clearly fucked up. So, so yeah, I well done, Frank Murphy, that I would like to see him more.
Speaker: So there you go. You have to watch the URC a little bit more than buddy. Although I don't know if anybody carries it over here, unfortunately. Bad news.
Speaker: Let's run it up to what we could see. Holy shit. I think I mean, the visibility got a little bit better in the second half. But man, I was like, I don't know what's going on. Like I kind of got most of it. But like at the same time, I was like, I have no idea what's going on, like for like good. So I said that first half, you know, here's here's what I want the young kids out there who don't get it. Fucking slap nuts.
Speaker: You don't know what it was like. This match was like, I felt at home watching it in the way. It was a little retro for me. It was like watching the NHL pre -HDTV. Oh, true. Where's the ball? Oh, I can see what's going on. You have to just look at context because you don't know where the fuck anything is. Oh, okay. That's what's happening. You just look for motion and try to sort it out.
Speaker: Oh, I was like, oh, I see exactly. I see everything. I didn't know who was doing it, but I could tell what was happening. Like I know which team had the ball and I knew kind of what they were doing with it. Like I didn't know the number until after the play. I was like, I was a good run by that. I think that was Luke Howndicky by how he moved. Oh, OK, it was OK. Yeah, sometimes body body body, like body gestures kind of gave it to you, the excuse me, certain mannerisms.
Speaker: it. So in before we dive to let's start it off this way. So if I look at
Speaker: 9, 10, and 12 on these two teams. So I feel like this is kind of where a lot of the game came down to. Price, this young kid, Ross Thompson, Lothar Wright, and Sam Johnson on one side. And then you have Monder, Simmons, and fucking Ian Whitten on the other side. I don't know much about Thompson. I know enough about Sam Johnson and Ali Price to know I like them better than the other two, 9 and 12.
Speaker: That's what I'm saying right there. And it did make a difference. And fuck, if this wasn't a wake up call to not picking him with never again, I don't know what will be. Yeah, I mean, Hendrickson came on fairly early, 58 minutes, 58 minutes. He was at least a threat. Yeah, like you see him and you're like, yeah, this dude might carry the ball and fucking crush all three of us like
Speaker: Ian Whitten, I look at him, I'm just like, old man, I'm gonna hit him in the hip, he's gonna die. Like, you know, it's a huge difference.
Speaker: but in overall Glasgow did the one thing you can absolutely 100 % do to Exeter when they let you and that suffocate the shit out of them. And we've seen it a couple of times in the premiership too. So I think they took that blueprint and understood what it was to do it. And it wasn't pretty, but man, got the job done. This was never going to be pretty. Once it went to nine, nothing, really. I mean, you know,
Speaker: Was it three nothing at the half? But like, you know, at that point, you get, you know, 52 minutes in and it's nine nothing. And you're like, I think that's game because I didn't see Exeter scoring, you know, more than a try. It had been too long. They didn't look like they had much to offer. And, you know, both teams were
Speaker: Um, built for this match, like this is the kind of, this is the weather and the stuff that both these teams want to play in. And that's not really good when you're the away team and it's not really good when you don't, you haven't had much of an attack anyway, all year. I mean, at Exeter have not been good this year and, um,
Speaker: Yeah, Glasgow really took it to him. That was fun. That part I enjoyed a lot. Watching Exeter get Exeter. And then, you know, we were talking about 9, 10, 12, like 13 for Glasgow. It's the only two below two.
Speaker: Yep. Made an impact. You know, he kind of disappeared for, you know, a good chunk of the match, about probably about 50 minutes. But in the 30 that he was active, he really came alive and changed the field position and put Glasgow in better, better spots to, you know, obviously get those penalties. Yeah. Huge difference maker in many ways for him. So fuck. Look at these meters. Look at these fucking meat. I don't know. I'm just looking at, I hadn't even looked at the stats yet. Holy shit.
Speaker: Yeah, because I stain put to blow to Forbes, George Turner, you and how it was churned up Dempsey. I'm looking at Exeter. And you got Tom O 'Flaherty with 50. Top of the chart. Cow and Dickey with 23. That's it over 20 meters. Alec Hepburn was the third
Speaker: I had the third most meters on the team. You're he's not the best best loose head in England because they seem to be claiming that more often than not. Right. I mean, yeah, because even the you know, the the the reserve with the most meters was was Kirsten with 18. Oh, like what the I mean, they just didn't do it because I was looking at it because I saw Henry Slade had six carries for one meter because I was like Slade seemed to just, you know, to you heard a lot about didn't really hear Slade.
Speaker: much did less. And again, it is current to them for suffocating the life out of Exeter with their defense. And, you know, there was not a whole lot going on down in the opposite end of the field bar the Sam Simmons try. Like that was about it. I was like, okay, this is interesting. And they just, they found ways to fuck up more than I've seen them do in a while. So
Speaker: But that is when they're frustrated and they just got, and they've been getting put on their ass the whole game and nothing's biting. And just, you know, they have all these issues and obviously their scrum got shithoused as well. So that didn't help. So good on Xander Fager. So not my favorite, not my favorite guy in the universe. They're not my favorite type of universe, but. But when he's playing Exeter, yes. Good on him. That was a performance that he should be proud of.
Speaker: Yes, he should. So, uh, yeah, Glasgow, well done. Uh, low to credit to them for everything that they did in, in this match to, to make it happen. Like that was, it was a huge performance in there for their sake. So, um, I'm sure they were celebrating well into the night. I have no doubt about it. And I will say, and he's not everybody's favorite Ali price.
Speaker: Like he's just signed a new deal up there in Glasgow. He's literally going to be their captain for a little while. And he acted like it. You know, he really did. Did you, did you see the two, the simul jump at the end of the last try? Yes. That was great. The anchorman. I was laughing so hard. I was like, it's synchronized celebrating. All right. That was great. I was like, yes, I know you two didn't plan that. So that makes it even better. Right.
Speaker: Oh, that was brilliant. I was like, OK, I'm now especially entertained. Yeah, good stuff there. Man, I was dying. Well, of course, we didn't mention it earlier, but a good weekend to also learn that Exeter are losing Sam Skinner and Johnny Hill. Johnny Hill. So. Oh, and shit, I forgot to mention it earlier.
Speaker: With Exeter slipping this much in both the Prem and the Champions Cup, is this because the Saracens are over the cap again?
Speaker: Oh, probably they'll blame it on that. Is that is that why Exeter are pooping? Like, I thought that was their excuse for everything. But a dick, Tony Rama, Tony. Yeah. Like, fuck you. Yeah, fuck that. And it's this thing that we like to call karma and it's fucking biting them right in the ass. And I love it. I don't mind it. Not mad about it. Tillman Park.
Speaker: fucking this is how Munster used to win. Just freaking steamrolling you and they didn't do anything crazy because obviously they only won by six, but like, excuse me.
Speaker: ow. This, yeah, jeez, no promises. This is but this is what they used to do to you. And it wasn't great. And sure, if you had a fantasy player in this one, a couple of them for me. This wasn't your favorite game by any means whatsoever. It was not.
Speaker: But there were, I mean, there was still some good performances and DDA look great as usual. That's not a shock to anybody's frigging radar right there. Burn played well. Yeah, I know he was, he was immense. Yep. And I still like the hot net guy. I really do.
Speaker: So, so here's something interesting though, that I learned after the match because that, that, that bugged the piss out of me, the way that match ended, not so much the way the comms were talking about it with, uh, you know, the 10 waiting so long to set up the kick. Cause it's like, look, this is, this is an important kick. And yeah, he pissed away 30 seconds, but it's like, you're ending this game and with the clock in the red, like this game, like.
Speaker: And they will have at least one opportunity then crack at the ball. They ended up with three or so. And then this gets a touch. So what I understood afterwards is that Cass see this tournament as like a punishment for doing well in the top 14. They want no part of playing in Europe. So they don't care if they lose. They want out. So they're like South Park little league. Yeah, totally.
Speaker: It's like, okay, we get it points. Fuck it. We're going to kick it out. We don't want to die because then we might have to play more. Yeah. Right. No, no, no. We don't want that. So, okay. That's fair. If they, if they really hate Europe and they don't want to play in it.
Speaker: which I don't, I don't get that. Right. And they're like, they, they won't let anybody else in. It's the whole, you know, they have to, so they have to contractually are obligated to do it. And so they just, it's such a French, I do not want any paltz of this. That's what I put out the fair minimum mixed veg then obviously. Yeah.
Speaker: So I said to you, and I'll say it here, Rory Cockett listened to our pod a couple of weeks ago and seen the example that Billy would pull a set about shutting the fuck up. Like, come on, man. No reason. I don't know what I have no idea what he was playing about.
Speaker: Like shut the fuck up. Like Billy, Billy at least had a kind of a point, but like, and I'm not saying he was right to do it, but it's like, at least she's like, okay, I, you know, sometimes you just can't not do it. You know, the, you're, you're in the red with the ref and, and you just cannot like take any more over yourself. And, and yeah, it's just an itch that can't be scratched. Um,
Speaker: This was just, there was nothing for it. Like, there's no reason for him to feel aggrieved or anything, just could not shut the fuck up. What were you doing, man? Carly warned him, like, stop. Like, of all people, if Matt Carly, who is complete dickhead, and does not let much go, if he's giving you that many warnings, you're stupid. You're not even just a dickhead, you're stupid. Like, end of story. There's a reason you're probably retiring at the end of this year. You've gone dumb.
Speaker: like come on man good lord and he did it again and then he got to the point where he had to talk to him and the captain at the same time that's happened to me and that's a club game okay yeah like come on man you're in a professional environment this should not happen like come on good lord yeah and he's like yeah from what i understand he's lucky he didn't leave the field last week
Speaker: Oh, okay. Yeah. I was talking to the referee then. So I was like, all right, you are really just going for it, aren't you? Super penisy. All right, go for it. I'm kidding. Oh, man. Super naked. So, yeah. All right. Rory Cockett wins dickhead of the day. All right. Sunday, Lester and Connick. It could have been like, you know, the Glasgow and Exeter match, but it wasn't.
Speaker: That was the good thing. Yeah, that was the good thing. That was the good thing is especially with Mike Adams with the fucking muscle. Yeah, I will say I'll get I'll I'll get my bullshit about him out of the way. I thought it was really fucking stupid that when there was that brouhaha near one of the goal lines, the person he talks to is the ball that the guy that kicks the ball away, not the one that starts to fight. I was like, um,
Speaker: Do you know why that fight started? The ballgame kicked away. It had nothing to do with it. You can just say, hey, dickhead, and that's it. No, the guy decided that I'm going to start a shoving match instead so we can all have handbags and get in, you know, get in everybody's face. Like, that's the guy you talked to. And it was just a little, like, side comment about it. I was like, you fucking idiot. You definitely... So this is my point about him. He has no control of a game whatsoever. He just lets people fucking screw around with him all the time. It's not...
Speaker: always clear to everybody. But if you look for it, it's there. He has no control over game. This is why every time I see him, I'm like, Fuck this guy. I don't really no longer really want to watch this game. Right. But I wanted to because I do like comic and I liked what they did last week. And obviously, Lester's leading the league this year for for premiership. So that intrigues me as well. So unfortunately, I have to sit here and deal with his dumb ass. So what do you do with Nick Dolly?
Speaker: And play them. They're not keeping Montoya. They're not keeping Montoya. Is he gone at the end of the year? I don't know that for a fact, but I wouldn't be shocked. Yeah. Cause fuck. I'm also letting Tom Young's walk.
Speaker: I think that's happening. I think that's happening. I mean, he probably is going to retire anyway, because he's got obviously a lot of things going on off the field that he needs to attend to. And certainly you can respect that. So right. And let's I mean, if we're being honest, his career ended like three years ago. So
Speaker: He's been, you know, for what he was. And it's like, it's been time for him to hang him up. So I think this is him walking away. This will be a chance for him to walk away with some, you know, he might may come back late to make an appearance, like maybe like last match or something like that. He'll be a villain to say goodbye. But I think he's done.
Speaker: Yeah, wouldn't be shocked. So the visitors rocked up pretty hard in the in the first half, at least John porch was making things making making people see him in his sleep as long along with Jack Hardy. And who's the other kid that really impressed me? Pendergast really fucking well, Pendergast I thought was really good. You know, the sex I thought he was very good.
Speaker: I see what they see in him for sure. So, yeah, there was a lot of good things that the Connick men were doing. But Lester are unbeaten this year for a reason. And even with no Ganj and no Ford, Freddie Stewart on the wing and all this mismatch stuff out there.
Speaker: still fucking figured it out. So there's a reason that they're good, you know? So credit to them. Damn. Especially that front row line change. Yeah. I mean, that was a, I mean, that was, that was, those are some good strums. So, um, yeah. And to be able to turn it over to fucking Montoya and Cole. Uh, yes. I mean, Whitcomb,
Speaker: Yeah, come along. Yeah, you get to ride the magic carpet. Congratulations. But that's, yeah, that's, that's one of those when you're the the hooker in the loose head, you're kind of like, okay, those guys are gone fine. Oh, shit. God damn it. Where'd you come from? Efren and Burke are like, I did not sign up for this. Boss, I'm hurt. I need a change.
Speaker: Yeah, it's different when you sign up for a phone you actually have to you know, it's the finding out not the fucking around. Yeah, the this is the first time we saw an extended period of Bryce Hegarty for Lester and that was nice to see and got himself on the score sheet to boot. Not so not so bad. Not bad at all. Yeah, no.
Speaker: It's pretty, pretty steward got to try finally for Lester. He doesn't score very often for them, but finally get himself there. Um, as much as we want to talk about Lester, I will say, and as mentioned, I'm already like, Jack Cardi is quite the classy 10 that Connick have, like,
Speaker: even when they were losing, he knew what to do. Like he seemed to have it well under control. And that drop call was just a peach. Like, mwah. Love it. So yeah, you need, he didn't, Lester were never comfortable in this one exactly. So that's about the best you can say for an away team against a team that's still undefeated this year for a reason.
Speaker: That's a fair play to to connect to. You know, to make it way squeaky, bummier than they probably had any right to make it. Yep, absolutely. And you're right that Cardi had a lot to do with it. Like him, like his brother. Yeah, please. More Luke, please. More Luke. Although, you know, Jack, if you ever, you know, ever.
Speaker: feel the need, um, you know, we could probably find it a match for you somewhere over here. Somewhere around there somewhere. Somewhere around there. Um, so yeah, it was, it was a very good performance by both teams for many reasons. Um, this is a game that was worth the, definitely worth the watch. So anyway, that's looking for one of the ones in this weekend. See this, see car, see the card of Quinn's see even all started saying to you, if you're, if you got a little time on your hands, feel that they're not so much.
Speaker: Um, cool. So I would go through the standings, but it's not really worth it because there are so much influx right now. That's really not worth it. We'll learn more in January. Yeah. We'll find out more in a few weeks here. Um, especially as the, as the next sec come, um, but just as a preview, a peak forward Friday, the 20, the, um,
Speaker: The 14th is cast and Munster and Cardiff and Quinn's. So the reversals. So that'll be, that'll be fun. Um, but for now we're going to put champions cup to bed. Yep. And, um, yeah, we got, we got lots to talk about come, uh, permission of coming up on the, uh, the fancy corner, but, um, other than that,
Speaker: I think we're good for this one. And this will be our last one of these pods until the holiday. So if you were celebrating Hanukkah, I know we missed it. I apologize. Happy Hanukkah. Happy Kwanzaa. I make no apologies. Hey, listen, that's your territory. There's another holiday out there that I can't think of. I apologize.
Speaker: Enjoy it. Winter Solstice holiday. It's all at the same time for the same reason. That one. That one. Today is the Winter Solstice. Oh, also true. You know, Blessed Be and all that. Yep. So, yeah. So, if we don't hear from you on the fancy corner, enjoy your holidays. We will obviously be here before the new year next week. Next week, we'll do 15 of the year and our top five rugby moments of the year, which is always a fun one for us.
Speaker: So hang on, hang on to your seats, enjoy the prem. If we can see you on the fantasy corner, see you there. Other than that, we'll catch you guys next week. Have a good one. Later.
