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Season 8- Episode 8- Slow & Wide (Prem Round 6)
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It's another batch of fun from those American rugby dopes. On this episode we are previewing looking at the start of Champions Cup for the season. Who are the likely candidates to come out of each group, who are the champions elect and who could sneak up on the pack? Then we look back at Round 6 of the Prem..it was not a good round for England 10s. We look at everything from Kingston to StoneX. Kick back, grab something cold and enjoy fam!
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts' Background
00:00:28
Jarrod Dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back. it is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:32
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:33
Jarrod Dyke
We're in. Let's go. we got shit loads to talk about here.
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Jarrod Dyke
We're go get right to it. We're both abstaining tonight. One because they should and one because, well, he doesn't have another choice. so
00:00:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Too much.
00:00:46
Grumpy Old Prop
I am out.
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Jarrod Dyke
e And I've not been 100% this week, so I'm gonna just stick to the old H2O and hope to God my body heals so it's not gonna be like this forever.
Support and Advocacy
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Jarrod Dyke
Um... But do find us on your favorite podcast app. Share, download, rate, review.
00:01:02
Jarrod Dyke
Feedback is always welcome. Make sure that you buy a good friend, George of the Fantasy Roy W. Geek, a coffee or beer. It's a real busy time now. Obviously, we have Champions Cup, which is, you know, as Ben and I can attest, it's a lot of teams to review in just that one competition.
00:01:15
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah.
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Grumpy Old Prop
hannah
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Jarrod Dyke
And George always gives out good advice for all the teams. So, you know, not just, know, whatever he feels like. So, keep your.
Stance Against Discrimination
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Jarrod Dyke
keep your eyes peeled on his stuff and make sure that you support him as best you can there is no discrimination here on this podcast nor there nor should there be in sports or in life we are off to the university world for this one
00:01:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, University of, oh, technically University, I guess. University of Oklahoma. um
00:01:47
Jarrod Dyke
oh i oh i know this is not i mean as much as you can get educated in the state of oklahoma
00:01:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. yeah So it's not. Yeah. And. Like, I can we the problem with the allowing the of of the some discrimination is what, again, it's a foot in the door.
00:02:05
Grumpy Old Prop
And so, you know, you start with the sports and you start with this and that and bathrooms and and um and you take those seriously when they're not.
00:02:06
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:02:16
Grumpy Old Prop
And now what happened was a student, and it's clear that it was a coordinated effort now because they like immediately ran to conservative, far-right publications and groups to to to complain. But they wrote an essay, and there was this this girl wrote an essay, and it was obvious it was shit. to be It was not up to...
00:02:42
Grumpy Old Prop
um post high school It wasn't even up to high school standard, really. It was a junior high level um essay. And it it was, yeah, the the the this the sub the subject, al the whole thing was about like, oh, I don't support trans people.
00:02:48
Jarrod Dyke
Ooh.
00:02:58
Grumpy Old Prop
They're wrong. The Bible says they're wrong. Everything's demonic and blah, blah, blah. blah blah And but it's it was so poor. Like I saw someone like published the the actual essay and it was like, this is just bad. There's no support other than the because the Bible says so. But, you know, which version of the Bible?
00:03:15
Grumpy Old Prop
What um what passages like the point of of ah like if you want to make a point that the whole the whole thing that was drilled into me about college and you know before I went there and then while I was there was, hey, you want to say something, say it and back it up.
00:03:30
Grumpy Old Prop
But the whole like, I'm just going to say it.
00:03:30
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:03:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, and especially when you're talking about, you know, just, it's a blatant bigotry and, and, and hate. And they got a zero and they went and they, so the, the, the, um, the, I think it's the course instructor is now on leave and stuff. Cause also the course instructor is, is trans.
00:03:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, so like, but they're not the ones who graded it. And that's a whole, like the TA or maybe it's the TA. I'm not sure, but somebody is on, you know, somebody who's trans is on leave because of this grade.
00:04:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Meanwhile, they went through all the the proper protocols and, you know, said, here's what we do to give this grade.
00:04:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah,
00:04:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And so they did everything right. But because of, you know, the hate and bigotry that's out there, you
00:04:21
Grumpy Old Prop
you know, they're going fuck with someone. And that was the intent. The whole intent of of doing this was to fuck with them. And it was like,
00:04:30
Grumpy Old Prop
and it's because the,
00:04:30
Jarrod Dyke
there's there's no other a there's no way around it.
00:04:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And you've given these people a foot in the door and this is what they do with it.
00:04:33
Jarrod Dyke
It's pretty clear.
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Grumpy Old Prop
So fucking stop. Like that's, this is why, like it's stuff like this that got, you know, got me here. so It was the scene that, oh yeah, even saying, you know what, but they're saying it in such a ah a nuanced way.
00:04:46
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, no, no, what they're saying is abhorrent. Just so what, that they have some flowery language to, to, to back it up.
00:04:49
Jarrod Dyke
It
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Grumpy Old Prop
It doesn't matter. It's, it's all bullshit. So.
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Jarrod Dyke
doesn't change meaning of what's being said.
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Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
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Jarrod Dyke
Dress it up and...
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Jarrod Dyke
you You may put the lipstick on the pig. It's still a fucking pig.
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Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:05:04
Jarrod Dyke
hate to tell you.
00:05:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
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Grumpy Old Prop
So hence, that's what, you know, that's one of the reasons why we started this segment. And it's, it's, you know, so for those who are new, um, or just decide not to, to pass us by and wonder why we do it. That's why, cause it's, it's just a reminder that, you know, don't allow shit to just go just cause it doesn't involve you because it eventually it will, they're not going to stop here.
00:05:28
Jarrod Dyke
No.
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Jarrod Dyke
For sure.
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Grumpy Old Prop
So stop it where we are and then push it back.
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Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, let's stop in his tracks.
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Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:05:36
Jarrod Dyke
Fucking bullshit.
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Grumpy Old Prop
So thank you for listening.
00:05:40
Jarrod Dyke
We appreciate your time. Okay. Yeah, just fucking goddamn. It's so...
00:05:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I... Yeah, and my wife and I were having having conversations about this shit and just like eye-rolling stuff. I
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Jarrod Dyke
i wish i wish I had more to do at this point other than what I can do right now. but you know ah yeah it almost just It's so hard to keep going, but we just have to keep going in with this shit because they're banking on us stopping is what it is.
00:06:18
Jarrod Dyke
They're banking on us stopping.
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Grumpy Old Prop
Right, right. The silence, it's that whole silence is consent thing.
00:06:22
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. That's what they're banking on. So this is why we have to, while it feels almost impossible or it feels, um you know, like such a huge uphill battle, i get I'm with you. I hear you.
00:06:39
Jarrod Dyke
But they're banking on us stopping. That's what they're, so that's why we can't. So we just, yeah, keep
Champions Cup Excitement and Analysis
00:06:44
Jarrod Dyke
going forward and whatever wall is put up in your way, fucking kick it down. You know, just all we can do.
00:06:53
Jarrod Dyke
All right. ah So big week in the rugby's. Where
00:06:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, before you we move on, buy our Patreon.
00:07:00
Jarrod Dyke
are we going?
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Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah.
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Grumpy Old Prop
um
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Jarrod Dyke
Make sure we do that.
00:07:03
Grumpy Old Prop
we the the the sheet The return of the sheet was was last week.
00:07:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Obviously, we get a little bit of reprieve from it. I get a little bit of reprieve from it. Because there's a lot to fix. If you saw it last week, there's there's some there's a lot to do.
00:07:17
Grumpy Old Prop
um There just weren't enough stats, too, for the expected points, but I can't remove the worksheet right now because I don't have the... I i forgot the password. But...
00:07:27
Jarrod Dyke
ah
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Grumpy Old Prop
ah Either way, um that will be fixed and out by the next time the prem goes off. so And it will include the draft XV, too.
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Jarrod Dyke
Weekend before Christmas.
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Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
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Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah.
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Grumpy Old Prop
So we'll have all of that.
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Grumpy Old Prop
ah We'll have they know analytics for that. Maybe not as much as for Superbrew, but certainly stats and and expected points.
00:07:46
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:07:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:07:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and I usually try to get at least the first pool stages of Champions Cup stuff out there too. So that' that'll I think we'll cobble it together after the first two rounds this this coming these coming two coming weeks.
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Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:08:10
Jarrod Dyke
And then after that, you'll see things things that we like to do, like, you know, is the person that you're buying worth the points that they're getting?
00:08:18
Jarrod Dyke
Because, you know, we like those types of stats. It's not always going to be go buy exactly that, you know, DuPont's rate is probably not great in terms of compared to someone else that's really cheap, but the points he's getting are still really fucking good.
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Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
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Jarrod Dyke
So you don't, you just kind of deal with the fact that he's expensive.
00:08:32
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah.
00:08:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Right.
00:08:35
Jarrod Dyke
um But, you know, and then there's other positions where it's like, you know, prop is one of them, I would say. prop Prop and lock are definitely ones that you want to make sure you're getting as much for your money as possible because those positions don't score well in Super Brew.
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Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:08:49
Jarrod Dyke
So that's one place you can look for it right there. All right. Now to the new rugby. So, Big Comp opening up. We'll get to Prem in a second. But Big Comp opening up this weekend.
00:09:04
Jarrod Dyke
Champions Cup, we return. Can someone shake the French? Can someone one shake the French?
00:09:11
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:09:14
Jarrod Dyke
Don't know.
00:09:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Maybe, but it's going to be tough.
00:09:17
Jarrod Dyke
It's going be hard. Yeah, it really is.
00:09:19
Grumpy Old Prop
It's funny, though, because I thought I remember. um And don't get me wrong, to lose is not a fun draw. um But like, i remember when when we we saw this draw and we're like, holy shit, Saracens are in like the pit of hell here.
00:09:34
Grumpy Old Prop
and
00:09:34
Jarrod Dyke
A little bit.
00:09:35
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:09:35
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's, it's well, there's there's much worse groups.
00:09:39
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, like, Pool 2 is rough. um Pool 4, holy fuck. That's like, you know, the um Bulls are playing great. bordeaux Bordeaux, Bristol seem to be playing great.
00:09:53
Grumpy Old Prop
And Saints, like, that's four teams right there that are just rough.
00:09:56
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:09:58
Jarrod Dyke
Pow could be a dark horse, too, depending on what they do in his comp. Sid Powell could be a dark horse in this competition as well, depending on, know, it depends on how they treat it.
00:09:59
Grumpy Old Prop
And where are, um sorry?
00:10:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, they could.
00:10:07
Jarrod Dyke
Some some French clubs don't don't like the competition, so they mail it in and others are like, this is our competition.
00:10:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:10:13
Jarrod Dyke
We want it. We want to do well at this. So we'll see they do.
00:10:16
Grumpy Old Prop
And pool three, like Stormers being a surprise, like, well, not, you know, not yeah a little bit of a surprise, I guess, because they're the sixth seed in that pool. um But it's going be hard to knock them off, too.
00:10:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, well, that that was just the way they were drawn from the previous season.
00:10:30
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:10:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, true.
00:10:33
Jarrod Dyke
That's all it was.
00:10:35
Grumpy Old Prop
um But also, you know, they their their young fly half has something to say about that a little, too.
00:10:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he will.
00:10:41
Jarrod Dyke
No no doubt.
00:10:41
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:10:42
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's it's just funny because like, yeah, and you know, Bath Munster in the same. Oh, you know.
00:10:49
Jarrod Dyke
that's what we start we there's that That's what we start with this week, isn't it? Them them two going at it?
00:10:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, i think so.
00:10:55
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. Okay. That'll be tasty.
00:11:00
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, but yeah. So, pool one. Glasgow's going annoying to play in this. i don't think they'll take this comp seriously, so, you know.
00:11:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, there's some street games this weekend.
00:11:12
Grumpy Old Prop
No, and they're they're not set up for this competition. This is not what they do. um
00:11:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, so I think it's the other five teams.
00:11:17
Grumpy Old Prop
This is also... also
00:11:20
Jarrod Dyke
They're to be the ones fighting first for knockout spots.
00:11:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And plus, I think SAIL have a little bit of of worry for their their... They need to focus on their PREM position too a little bit. so
00:11:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and we'll talk about that.
00:11:32
Grumpy Old Prop
um But... Yeah, like this is not... So this is ah this is also... i'm happy to come off of that putrid international season um or break to for to to kind of get a week to warm up and then this week because this is like I've determined my favorite competition in rugby because it's all about scoring tries. It's like who's going to go and and and show up and um like just put on a show and because that's usually who who wins and that's to say that they don't defend but it's you know the understanding of attack too that that helps the defense so
00:12:09
Jarrod Dyke
Look at the the most recent champions, all of which are French in the last, what, five years?
00:12:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right. Yeah. And Saints played a hell of a...
00:12:16
Jarrod Dyke
they've all They've all gone for it.
00:12:18
Grumpy Old Prop
and Look at how Saints played, too, to get there. Like, that that's...
00:12:21
Jarrod Dyke
Last year,
00:12:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um So, yeah, it's it's it's it's going to be fun. There's going to be some, you know, kind of poopy games. Like, this one is probably going to be a little bit poopy because Sailor involved.
00:12:33
Grumpy Old Prop
um You know, and but I don't know some of the other teams. Like, you know, I remember Bayon... being surprisingly dickish and difficult. um and with with
00:12:43
Jarrod Dyke
That's because Rory Cockett was playing for them, I think.
00:12:45
Jarrod Dyke
Or no, that was loe's Cast, maybe.
00:12:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:12:46
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:12:46
Jarrod Dyke
Never mind.
00:12:49
Grumpy Old Prop
No, no, they were like they were they were they were higher skilled than I had anticipated, really, um but also kind of dicks about it.
00:12:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:12:55
Grumpy Old Prop
um But yeah, this is a.
00:12:57
Jarrod Dyke
Well, they ran, their like one and a half team ran Exeter off the paddock. I remember that.
00:13:03
Jarrod Dyke
I'm pretty sure it was them at least. um But yeah, I was like, that's why you don't just send a freaking C team to your opponents in this.
00:13:03
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:13:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:13:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:13:12
Jarrod Dyke
And the the X factor always ever being what are teams going to do when they have to go to South Africa and what are the South African teams going to do when they have to come north?
00:13:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:13:22
Jarrod Dyke
And that's always going to be the question mark. And without. Without the South Africans ever going full noise in every pool game they can.
00:13:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:13:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:13:35
Jarrod Dyke
It's going to be hard it's going to be hard for them to get one of those one to two spots in the top where you have a home round of 16.
00:13:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:13:42
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah.
00:13:45
Jarrod Dyke
So, well, I mean, listen, this the Sharks this year are very good. We talked about the Stormers already. Bulls are playing well. So it's I'm not going to dismiss them by any means whatsoever.
00:13:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:13:57
Jarrod Dyke
But we the the history says they won't do the things necessary to get themselves.
00:14:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:14:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:14:05
Jarrod Dyke
You know, in an example of a team that did what was necessary last year on the other side of it would be Saints.
00:14:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:14:13
Jarrod Dyke
They went full noise down to South Africa and got the wind down there, and that put them in prime pole position to get themselves all the way. you know they had to Yes, they had to go go and travel to Leinster.
00:14:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:14:26
Jarrod Dyke
They had to go to Dublin, but they didn't they had home up until that point.
00:14:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:14:30
Jarrod Dyke
So it did them a lot favors. So theirs is good, and I understand your your club form might suffer a little bit. Theirs did, clearly.
00:14:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Well, they were already... like that They had the the fortune fortune to really... decide that this was going to be the chat, the, the, the comp that they went for.
00:14:51
Grumpy Old Prop
So, um, and I think rugby is better for it.
00:14:52
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:14:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I think this is, yeah, they put on a show here, which not, you know, I'm not talking talking about saints now. I'm talking about the whole, um, the whole comp, like put on a show, um, entertain us. And I think that I, well, it always happens that like,
00:15:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, you there might be a dog match every, you know, a couple each day, but it's like one of those. That's the best part. You sit there and you're like, yeah, this game kind of sucks. But hey, I just wait an hour and there's going to be another one. Like that's that's the beauty of this, too.
00:15:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Not like, you know, when we get to the the premise weekend where it's like. OK, these are two poopy games happening at the same time. OK, well, then.
00:15:36
Jarrod Dyke
yeah you ain't kidding
00:15:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, like stagger them, do something. You have all these slots and you don't fill them.
00:15:43
Jarrod Dyke
no I yeah my you know you and i both have an agreement on the the way they schedule those games on similar slots doesn't make sense
00:15:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:15:54
Jarrod Dyke
um I think depending on the outcome for this weekend, talk about pool one here. I think depending on the outcome for this weekend, I think Saracens might be lucky to get fourth.
00:16:05
Jarrod Dyke
If they can beat Claremont, then probably third, maybe second. But there the draw of Toulouse at home is really really hurts because going to South Africa and going to Glasgow are going to be really fucking hard games.
00:16:22
Grumpy Old Prop
They are.
00:16:23
Jarrod Dyke
So I would say that that's going to be that. um And ah sadly, i think if Claremont don't win this game this weekend, I don't know if they're going to be in that fourth spot either.
00:16:37
Grumpy Old Prop
I think it's between them and and the Sharks, really, for that fourth spot.
00:16:37
Jarrod Dyke
I think...
00:16:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:16:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it depends and it depends on how this how serious the Sharks take it.
00:16:43
Grumpy Old Prop
If they, you know, assuming they lose.
00:16:46
Jarrod Dyke
So we'll see.
00:16:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's true, too.
00:16:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:16:49
Jarrod Dyke
We'll see. Pool 2...
00:16:52
Jarrod Dyke
who um I think Bath will get better fortune this year with this pool that last year was just a rough start and it never got better.
00:17:03
Jarrod Dyke
um Munster almost always qualifies, so just pencil you can just pencil them in for the round 16.
00:17:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And they're crushing it in URC this year. So.
00:17:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they're good. um Cast were lucky to get through last year, so I'm going to put them back down to the bottom. maybe Maybe having got through last year, They'll take it seriously, but I need to see that otherwise.
00:17:24
Jarrod Dyke
So, um you know, there were a couple of results that just really went their way in some teams that didn't play well.
00:17:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:17:31
Jarrod Dyke
Saracens.
00:17:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:17:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:17:35
Jarrod Dyke
I want Edinburgh to do well, but I just don't know. They're not used to this competition. They they they play it almost every other year. And it's like, eh. You know, you're just, it's I don't. So I don't have a lot of convinced.
00:17:49
Jarrod Dyke
So I think we'll see Bath too long. and then it's going to beat Munster, and then I think it's going to be a battle between Gloucester and Edinburgh for that fourth spot. So we'll see.
00:17:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And the funny thing is what's gloss are going to bring. Cause you know, we saw how they played last weekend and that's great, but they're Gloucester and they get the fuck knows what they're, they're going to do.
00:18:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I mean, if for the most part what's been there for them holds, but barring last weekend, this past weekend, um yeah, they'll probably be out and Edinburgh might sneak in as soon
00:18:09
Grumpy Old Prop
it we We can we like,
00:18:18
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah, no. Right. Mm-hmm.
00:18:21
Jarrod Dyke
At 14. Maybe Cass sneaks under that 14. TBD. um Pool 3.
00:18:29
Jarrod Dyke
La Rochelle don't have as much bite as they used to anymore.
00:18:31
Jarrod Dyke
I will say that.
00:18:32
Grumpy Old Prop
They don't.
00:18:33
Grumpy Old Prop
They don't. But, you know, they could always rock up for for this comp too. is They got some players.
00:18:38
Jarrod Dyke
lu I'm going to say Leinster-Leicester for sure.
00:18:42
Jarrod Dyke
I think the Stormers will get through.
00:18:42
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know about Leicester.
00:18:44
Grumpy Old Prop
I think it's Leinster Stormers.
00:18:44
Jarrod Dyke
i think they Definitely.
00:18:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Certainly.
00:18:47
Jarrod Dyke
Definitely.
00:18:48
Grumpy Old Prop
i'd I'd rank the Quinns over Leicester. I think um they have a better shot to to play the style of play that's needed.
00:18:54
Jarrod Dyke
air They need to be more consistent.
00:18:58
Grumpy Old Prop
But there's that too.
00:18:59
Jarrod Dyke
That's my problem with Quinn's right now. They are very inconsistent.
00:19:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:19:03
Jarrod Dyke
If they get some consistency, I would agree with you. they're Right now, this season, they're they are so inconsistent. and And yes, Danny Wilson leaving didn't help. I get that.
00:19:13
Jarrod Dyke
But they've that someone's got to just fire rockets up on say, guys, can we pull our heads out of our ass for a couple weeks in a row, please?
00:19:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm
00:19:21
Jarrod Dyke
like they've They've not managed to do it.
00:19:22
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:19:24
Grumpy Old Prop
No. And it's it's yeah.
00:19:25
Jarrod Dyke
like it So that's that's my problem with them right now.
00:19:29
Grumpy Old Prop
agreed but that's one of those like if it clicks like they're like it's a it's a finely tuned machine and it's just off the timings off the alignments off um but if you hit the right pothole and everything just falls back into place um
00:19:50
Jarrod Dyke
Sometimes, yeah. Yep.
00:19:53
Grumpy Old Prop
uh look the fuck out um
00:19:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:19:57
Grumpy Old Prop
But they, yeah, if they already got to see it. But i'm I'm hoping again for this comp that I think. But so when I'm plotting this out, I say Harlequins have a much better chance of playing the kind of rugby you need to play to win in this competition than Leicester do.
00:20:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Leicester are still a very. They're they're paint by numbers. And that's not, you know, not the worst thing, but. I don't know that they have the juice.
00:20:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, well, I'm sure.
00:20:27
Grumpy Old Prop
like they They don't have that that that fifth gear that that you really need, I think.
00:20:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'll be interested to see how Parling handles this competition.
00:20:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, i but they could they could.
00:20:37
Jarrod Dyke
For them.
00:20:37
Grumpy Old Prop
They could play some wide-open rugby if they really... That would scare me for the Prem, too. if They started doing that, so...
00:20:43
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Right. I agree. So that'll be an interesting poll and see how that plays out.
00:20:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:20:49
Jarrod Dyke
For, same thing. I mean, sorry, Scarlet, you're probably just going to be the the wooden spoon, like, just
00:20:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, they're going to get...
00:20:55
Jarrod Dyke
put it in permanent big fat permanent marker sadly um Bristol
00:21:03
Grumpy Old Prop
They're the Meg of this group. No, the the Charlotte.
00:21:05
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Bristol Powell and Bulls are probably going to be the ones that need to are going to fight out for know what will two spots I think Saints will remember how to play the rugby again even after last week it was pretty bad um
00:21:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry. um Bristol.
00:21:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Saints.
00:21:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah. For two spots. Yeah.
00:21:25
Jarrod Dyke
And Bordeaux is defending champions, so they they know how to do this thing.
00:21:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And they're going down to the Bulls first first week. So that'll be interesting to see.
00:21:31
Jarrod Dyke
and Which means that I would bet that they're going to bring full noise if that's the case. It's probably the one upside of having to travel first week.
00:21:39
Jarrod Dyke
It's like, all right, you know what's up.
00:21:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:21:41
Grumpy Old Prop
You're right.
00:21:43
Jarrod Dyke
You know, you have it first week, you can prepare yourself quite well, actually, for that.
00:21:47
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:21:49
Jarrod Dyke
So I would bet i bet they go full noise. So i'll be interesting.
00:21:55
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah. Are we looking at another French winner?
00:22:02
Grumpy Old Prop
I until it doesn't happen, I'm going to say yes.
00:22:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. It's hard to say no.
00:22:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Like, could there, could like, okay, so looking at it, um I don't think Leinster are, I don't, I think they're just off too.
00:22:17
Grumpy Old Prop
They're kind of in that Harlequins camp too.
00:22:18
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:22:19
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:22:19
Grumpy Old Prop
So I don't know about them.
00:22:21
Grumpy Old Prop
they They'd be one that's that's, you know, I'd book for it. um I swear, Saints, what they did last year, they could do again.
00:22:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Bristol, what they did last, what they can do, holy shit, what they did this past weekend, they Fuck, if they're ready for this kind of like the way they played last weekend was a Champions Cup style play.
00:22:36
Jarrod Dyke
who
00:22:44
Grumpy Old Prop
um Bath, Munster. ah Fuck, I know everybody's going to hate me saying it, but Saracens like that. These are teams that can play, can step up.
00:22:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Quinns could step up, but I doubt it.
00:22:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:00
Grumpy Old Prop
think they have too much wrong with them, so.
00:23:01
Jarrod Dyke
i'd say I'd say the likeliest of the English teams that's not the Saints is Beth.
00:23:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, I agree.
00:23:07
Jarrod Dyke
that's That's where I'm at for that.
00:23:09
Grumpy Old Prop
If I if I'd rank them, it would be Saints, Bath, Bristol, Saracens and then Quinn's and Tigers and sailor way, way, way far down.
00:23:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:23:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Salem Cluster just ain't going to be there.
00:23:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Unfortunately, yeah, them too.
00:23:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, mean, think Dark Horse... yeah i mean i think a dark horse there's there's I say Dark Horse.
00:23:32
Jarrod Dyke
I think teams that...
00:23:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I didn't mention the stormers they who could.
00:23:36
Jarrod Dyke
Right. there's the and They are always like the a huge wild card, the South African teams, like we talked about. So throw them into that mix. And then there's two teams from the URC that I would like to see see them get to a semifinal, at least.
00:23:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:23:52
Jarrod Dyke
And that would be Munster and Glasgow. I think Munster returning to true glory days and that that's your old boy right there Clayton McMillan um leading them right now and then um something about Glasgow getting to a semi-final what what it would do for them and for Scottish Rugby yeah yeah and I know I'm skipping over Edinburgh but Glasgow been in this competition more often than not you and Glasgow has also won the URC recently so you know just going on that too just throwing that out there Just an idea.
00:23:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:24:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:24:31
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah, interested. Should be fun how it shakes out.
00:24:37
Jarrod Dyke
All right. Excuse me. Let's go over to Kingston Park.
Match Reviews and Strategies
00:24:45
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, nobody's surprised that that's the number on the board, but it sounds like it was a little bit uglier than needed to be.
00:24:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it was um a little too close.
00:24:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Certainly, what was the score at half? It was like, I think, a seven-point lead or so. Yeah, seven-point lead.
00:25:05
Jarrod Dyke
1017. yeah. Hmm.
00:25:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um
00:25:10
Grumpy Old Prop
And, yeah, that the there's like... Grayson's try was pretty sweet, though, I will say. um But, yeah, Lester...
00:25:24
Grumpy Old Prop
they They should have really been able to open it up and and they they didn't. um It was... then Yeah, it's a typical night game in Newcastle, which is not easy.
00:25:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:25:38
Grumpy Old Prop
So let's not...
00:25:38
Jarrod Dyke
It's a trap.
00:25:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:25:39
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm not... Yeah.
00:25:40
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm not going to fault them for it and all, but...
00:25:43
Jarrod Dyke
It's a trap.
00:25:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um But... a Yeah, they they i mean they still did what they needed to do. They got the the result that you'd expect, but they should... you know It's one of those... They won by 22, and this is ah the A game where you really want to run it up because you can. And that's not to be a dick, but it's just that it's like, you know, you need a get right game. This is your get right game.
00:26:09
Jarrod Dyke
And point end input differential can make it can can you know come to play later on, too.
00:26:15
Grumpy Old Prop
it It absolutely can and tries scored and and all that. Like, it it may matter at some point.
00:26:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:26:19
Grumpy Old Prop
And what did they score? One, two, three, four, five. Just five tries. Looks like.
00:26:28
Jarrod Dyke
The measure of this game is scary. The top three guys, third for meters, third was Hassel Collins, second was Liam Williams.
00:26:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:26:37
Jarrod Dyke
and first in Meteor's game was Waki Moro. Like, probably speaks to the way, and good for Moro, like, ah people are talking about him a lot, and so, you know, good for him, but it does kind of say, okay, that's that that sounds like, you know, sounds like it was the that type of game.
00:26:45
Grumpy Old Prop
He played a hell of a game.
00:26:48
Grumpy Old Prop
i I remember somebody.
00:26:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:26:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:26:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it was a good I mean, that like. I think that, you know, for what he did, the way he played, you want to see that from more, you really want to see that from more Leicester players.
00:27:06
Jarrod Dyke
I will say, so I'll say this. As much as people want to say dog, ah we dog certain players for only being able to play defense, right? Like that's just, it's it should be, that should be bare minimum.
00:27:19
Jarrod Dyke
He had equal number of completed tackles. Morrow did. Had the most meters made and he scored twice.
00:27:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:27:27
Jarrod Dyke
And I'm not saying, I understand that as complete game. Okay. And it's against Newcastle. So we'll take that into into consideration as well. But,
00:27:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but it still means you're that busy.
00:27:36
Jarrod Dyke
My point is you can be top, you know, top five on your team in tackles and still have an attacking bone in your body, which it sounds like Morrow does.
00:27:37
Grumpy Old Prop
like
00:27:42
Grumpy Old Prop
okay
00:27:45
Grumpy Old Prop
He does.
00:27:45
Jarrod Dyke
So with that, that's why, yeah, I shit on people like Sam Underhill, who can tackle a little bit.
00:27:52
Jarrod Dyke
Tom Curry being another one.
00:27:52
Grumpy Old Prop
and
00:27:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:53
Jarrod Dyke
You know, guys like Callum Chick, we know, you know, same things.
00:27:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:57
Jarrod Dyke
Like, just the guys are like not, you know, my, yeah, I just, nope nope, nope, nope, nope.
00:28:03
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah the old old vermulins and um who was the other one you dave viewers yeah like yeah it should be the like a viewers award like congrats you can do this and that's it like well but i think the problem isn't so much that people can do that it's that they're elevated beyond that like no that's like even honro liebenberg is useful is handy in in in the loose too um
00:28:04
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah, that's my point. Oh my god.
00:28:11
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, dumbass Dave. Yeah. Good old dumbass Dave.
00:28:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, he is.
00:28:34
Grumpy Old Prop
like you got kind like But he doesn't get nearly the the the accolades that like ah a Vermeulen does. And I'd take a Harno-Liebenburg 10 times out of 10 over a Jacques Vermeulen.
00:28:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:28:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Certainly over a debut or so.
00:28:50
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:28:52
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, that came out.
00:28:54
Jarrod Dyke
Did you follow my advice and not bother with the other game?
00:28:56
Grumpy Old Prop
I didn't, no, didn't. But I do want to say, i do want to just put it out there.
00:28:59
Jarrod Dyke
Ugh.
00:29:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Because we didn't talk about it before, but it really wasn't relevant in the the previous game because, um you know, and you're playing Newcastle at home. Like, you're not going to worry about taking the points. But it was a bad weekend for team take the points. Like, just kick the three.
00:29:18
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. It was.
00:29:20
Grumpy Old Prop
And how did that work out when it became a try scoring contest?
00:29:21
Jarrod Dyke
it was.
00:29:23
Grumpy Old Prop
How did that work out?
00:29:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, it did.
00:29:27
Jarrod Dyke
did. Teams that scored more tries won.
00:29:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Like if you're take the points, then you got to you.
00:29:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. You better make sure if you're going to take the points, you better make sure you don't give up a try. No matter what you do. No tries. Oops.
00:29:37
Jarrod Dyke
Which is why I'm a little more excited about the sport again now that we've gotten away from the take the points bullshit that international play brings.
00:29:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:29:43
Jarrod Dyke
I'm glad we've gotten into the club stuff. and and And I'm sure we'll see a little bit of it this weekend and in 2021.
00:29:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Sure.
00:29:49
Jarrod Dyke
Champions Cup and but I think the ah the upside of it is more often than not even some of the teams that go take the points to start turn on the try scoring later on and and and do end up with more tries than the other team no matter and on the right side of the scoreboard so there is that but you
00:29:50
Grumpy Old Prop
From the usual suspects, but.
00:29:57
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:29:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:30:05
Grumpy Old Prop
But that's because they went for maybe you'd like, maybe it's a start. You take over the scoreboard because you're like, okay, we just, we got some pressure. And it's also the, the, the, the time, like, or the, the context, like if it's, oh, we just got down here.
00:30:18
Grumpy Old Prop
We just got down inside their 22. They, we got a penalty. All right, let's just take the points. Like, no, spend some time down there. Or, you know, if you have, you know, the, the referee gives a warning, Oh, you're putting that in the corner.
00:30:25
Jarrod Dyke
a
00:30:29
Grumpy Old Prop
You fucking better put that in the corner.
00:30:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I always shake my head when referee is giving away the warning and you're and the teams take the pressure off like no, don't take the pressure off.
00:30:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:30:35
Grumpy Old Prop
and they're like, Oh, take the points. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Um, right. And, you know, we saw that a couple of times this, this throughout this, I'm not sure if it was, I don't know if it was this match, but I know that there was at least one time I did tune into this for just a little bit. Um, but I know there was one time where,
00:30:52
Grumpy Old Prop
um ah Team kicked for three and oh, no, it was Saracens. We'll talk about it later.
00:30:58
Jarrod Dyke
We'll talk about that too. Jesus. um Yeah. i
00:31:06
Jarrod Dyke
Exeter didn't play well, but neither did Sale.
00:31:09
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:31:10
Jarrod Dyke
I don't think there's any way to say it otherwise. well therere So and we're just referencing meters made, and I know it's not everything, but it also kind of tells the tale of the game.
00:31:21
Jarrod Dyke
Luke James had 56. He was top between both teams. Captain Daffy had 54.
00:31:32
Jarrod Dyke
Then Alex Wells had 50.
00:31:32
Grumpy Old Prop
What?
00:31:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and then Alex Wells had 50. Yeah, he got loose on a weird ball.
00:31:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Wow.
00:31:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:31:37
Jarrod Dyke
wasn't anybody else's, you know, and whatever.
00:31:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. That makes sense. It happens.
00:31:41
Jarrod Dyke
um And then Alex Wells had 51, and nobody else had above 40 after that.
00:31:47
Grumpy Old Prop
oh Yeah, I don't need to watch that game.
00:31:49
Jarrod Dyke
No, you're not.
00:31:50
Grumpy Old Prop
There was no rugby played.
00:31:51
Jarrod Dyke
so So with that, those names I just said, none of them were the top carriers for their team.
00:32:00
Jarrod Dyke
None of them. And that includes Captain Daffy, who I might expect at that point.
00:32:03
Jarrod Dyke
Nope. Nope. Nope. no but You just had one weird carry where it it got loose. Vermeule and Roots had 14 each.
00:32:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:32:13
Grumpy Old Prop
For how many meters? 14.
00:32:16
Jarrod Dyke
38 was the top of the two of them, I think.
00:32:19
Grumpy Old Prop
fourteen sorry That's three less than.
00:32:22
Jarrod Dyke
Two meters at a whack.
00:32:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right.
00:32:23
Jarrod Dyke
or No, not even. Jesus.
00:32:26
Grumpy Old Prop
No, it's it's yeah, it's it's less than four or less than three.
00:32:28
Jarrod Dyke
it's about It's about two meters. It's a little more than two meters in a whack, but still.
00:32:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:32:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's less than three, which doesn't mean mean much.
00:32:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Wow.
00:32:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it was it was a sloppy game. i Yeah, Sale, we're letting them off the hook. Every time, i will say this, with what blows, by the way, um every time they put the ball into Bobby Duke's hands in space, good things happened.
00:32:53
Jarrod Dyke
That's where two of their tries came from, off off of him.
00:32:58
Grumpy Old Prop
That's impressive.
00:32:58
Jarrod Dyke
One of them was a nice, hard inside line that he kind of sold the eyes with and just popped it to James.
00:33:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:33:04
Jarrod Dyke
and
00:33:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah yeah.
00:33:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he had a sweet pass to, ah was it Wills then?
00:33:10
Jarrod Dyke
And Wills gave it to to James to finish it off, I think.
00:33:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. No, did okay.
00:33:15
Jarrod Dyke
Or did Wills score It doesn't.
00:33:16
Grumpy Old Prop
I thought, oops. Yeah.
00:33:17
Jarrod Dyke
It will score it. Okay. Yeah. James was a part of it, though.
00:33:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:33:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. And I'm sorry. I don't know what they're teaching Manny Faye Woboso when it comes to defense. Don't defend two meters into your try area because that's really easy to score on.
00:33:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:34
Jarrod Dyke
Luke James had to beat Faye Woboso to score and Faye Woboso was about a meter or two into his own try area. I don't think he knew where he was, honestly.
00:33:43
Grumpy Old Prop
made a business decision okay
00:33:43
Jarrod Dyke
I think he was truly lost. i was like, dude, this is, that's, that's a, like you're an international player. That's a rookie move.
00:33:50
Jarrod Dyke
what are you doing? Like, good Lord. Um, Yeah, and you know nothing special was done by Exeter, but even less special was done by Sale, and that's the best way I can describe this.
00:33:50
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:34:02
Jarrod Dyke
and that you know Again, Exeter have not played anybody of note, so their standings are a little bit falsified, to say the least.
00:34:14
Jarrod Dyke
So give them time. When they played the Baths of the World, um they played i i don't think they've played lester Lester yet. Obviously, they haven't played us. Yeah.
00:34:23
Jarrod Dyke
yeah There's some teams, know, they played a very, very depowered Northampton team and only tied.
00:34:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Saints side. Right.
00:34:29
Jarrod Dyke
So, and that was with a lot of help from the official say the least.
00:34:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:33
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, there's that. um Um, excuse me over to yeah, over to Kingston.
00:34:43
Grumpy Old Prop
king song
00:34:43
Jarrod Dyke
I'm like, what's up? Uh, we talked about consistency. Like this has not been a good Gloucester team and
00:34:52
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:34:54
Jarrod Dyke
Quinn's made them look like rock stars.
00:34:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, they just, they didn't. So I think I mentioned it at one point in the, in the first half. Let me go back to the, the, the the timeline, but it was like,
00:35:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Every time, yeah, it was every time, like 20, 20, because Don Brandt scored 23 minutes in and it's like, but really, Quinns had given themselves two sessions of real possession, not like ah okay, we have possession kind of in midfield and we're going to just launch a high ball.
00:35:15
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:35:25
Grumpy Old Prop
And maybe if we even if we get it, we're going launch a second high ball and maybe try to move it. and No, I'm talking about like, okay, you got a penalty. So you kicked for, you know, for the corner or, or you know, kick to gain territory.
00:35:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Then you actually tried to attack and then you got another, like, you actually built pressure and you scored twice, but that was their only time. They actually worked for possession.
00:35:46
Grumpy Old Prop
It's it's just very, they were very, the gun shy and, and it it, which can work.
00:35:51
Jarrod Dyke
Seems it.
00:35:55
Grumpy Old Prop
and And they were still, to be fair, they were frustrating the fuck out of Gloucester, despite the fact that, you know Gloucester scored um on a kind of a, you know,
00:36:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Like they kind of let it, you know, I have Redshaw's try. I know that was a sweet fucking try from Redshaw.
00:36:14
Jarrod Dyke
Red Shaw's try was good.
00:36:16
Grumpy Old Prop
um But it was, you know, one of those, okay, they can do that. But you also want to choke the life out of them. um But you also noticed they were targeting Rodrigo Iscora the whole game. Like, I feel like somebody knew something because they were just running.
00:36:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Was it Thorley right down his fucking throat?
00:36:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they were picking on him for sure.
00:36:38
Grumpy Old Prop
And he was getting distance and it's like, okay, so yeah.
00:36:40
Jarrod Dyke
And Thorley's a house. like does a He's a big lad. You gotta be able to contain him. And if You're, you know, we've talked, people are shitting on a lot of wingers that can't defend, even though they can attack great.
00:36:51
Jarrod Dyke
This can't be a thing he's growing. I don't think it really is. I think he just had a bad game, honestly.
00:36:55
Jarrod Dyke
I think he's, he's, he's played better games.
00:36:56
Grumpy Old Prop
i mean, he had a
00:36:58
Grumpy Old Prop
ass of a game in every every facet. Like I said, defensively defensively, he was bad.
00:36:59
Jarrod Dyke
Oh my God. What a fucking, what a boner.
00:37:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, but then he makes that mistake right at half. All you have to do, just kick it out.
00:37:04
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:37:06
Grumpy Old Prop
it's the The half's over. Just kick it out. And he's like, what the fuck is he kicking it in the towards the middle of the field? like just just No, you had your opportunity. You missed it.
00:37:15
Jarrod Dyke
Total brain fade.
00:37:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Oh, and you know of course, Ludlow's there to to to um to pounce on it, but it's just like, what?
00:37:23
Jarrod Dyke
Continuing the fallacy that Louis Ludlow is worth a goddamn.
00:37:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:37:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:37:28
Grumpy Old Prop
um So yeah, just, just ah and then I think he threw in, he had, oh, he had a kick directly to touch early in the game. Like, he he just booted it.
00:37:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:37:38
Grumpy Old Prop
So um yeah, it was unfortunate. Like, any chance they had... was like that's the thing though like so that's where i was going though was at halftime like that immediately gives gloucester and the shed life and you don't want to do that it's it's a poor it's poor tactical it to you know tactics to uh get that place rocking and give them some energy when you really kind of have them kind of quiet and they want to cheer but there's just not much to cheer even when they get possession it's not quite working out you're you're defending in tight really well
00:37:57
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. Totally.
00:38:08
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:38:18
Grumpy Old Prop
and give away seven points that's not and they never recovered and then they took the fucking points
00:38:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Nope. No.
00:38:26
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man. like the And the really frustrating thing was like that was their first real sustained bit of pressure that they had been able to gather.
00:38:35
Jarrod Dyke
And you we we were just talking about it. You don't take the pressure off in those situations. You apply more. point like and We saw it in well yeah a couple of the other games, but Yeah, it makes no sense.
00:38:35
Grumpy Old Prop
mm-hmm mm-hmm right
00:38:50
Jarrod Dyke
It makes no sense.
00:38:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:38:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause like, yeah. Okay.
00:38:52
Jarrod Dyke
So...
00:38:53
Grumpy Old Prop
So if the thought is, okay, we get it to a six point lead and then we get the try. You know, what's your, again, you you have the momentum, take the try now, go for the try. Now you have, so you have 16 minutes, get a try now and the penalty later.
00:39:05
Jarrod Dyke
lot easier to hit a hit a penalty from 40 out should you need to hit that to win, you know, as opposed to having to drive it over at the end.
00:39:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Right. And even so, like, and and, and, and if you game it the fuck out just a little bit, like, I don't know why they're not seeing this ahead of time, ahead of time. You put it in the corner. What's the worst that happens? Even if you get a penalty, right? They're kicking, you know, they might get up towards midfield, but maybe not. And if you don't get a penalty, cause you, you know, you have to kind of want to get a penalty or just do something completely fucking stupid when you're down there.
00:39:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:39:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Like,
00:39:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Either way, if you turn it over though, they're kicking to touch. And okay, so instead of down inside their 22, you're hitting a lineup from just outside their 22 or maybe you little bit closer midfield, but still your ball.
00:39:53
Grumpy Old Prop
And you can still have the opportunity to get down in the corner again. Like not instead of this kick the three and now you're in your own end. Oh, and then Ollie Thorley is scoring try. That was it. Two minutes after, you know, Marcus splits the posts and brings it into six, it's over.
00:40:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and and they totally screwed up their return, the kick return drill too.
00:40:09
Jarrod Dyke
Like they totally fucked it up. like and And those are, we've it's been talked about a lot. Like that is, you know, that's the new set piece too. And teams screwed up.
00:40:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, it did.
00:40:21
Jarrod Dyke
Teams screwed up like any other set piece. So instead of doing that and putting pressure on yourself and then giving away a try, which was just like one of those things, if I was in the coaching box, Having maybe not made that decision myself and then not seeing the result afterwards, I would have just thrown the clipboard and been like, I'm done.
00:40:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:40:39
Jarrod Dyke
and um'm And I'm walking away. Goodbye. So, yeah, just damn. Silly stuff. ah I don't know how much we need to talk about. I mean, great scoring over at the gate, but like, I don't know how much would we need to talk about at the same time. Like it's it was 35 at halftime.
00:41:00
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah I think again the thing is if this is how Bristol want to play if if this is how if this is how it's going to go um
00:41:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:41:17
Grumpy Old Prop
okay like good this is this like Pat Lamb's gonna be very happy and Bristol gonna be happy with him and everybody's gonna like be be on his jock again um
00:41:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Because damn, they just smushed it. And, you know, I don't... Todaro, what the fuck? um But I don't think...
00:41:38
Jarrod Dyke
I actually didn't catch the red card. How bad was it?
00:41:42
Grumpy Old Prop
It was not good.
00:41:44
Jarrod Dyke
OK.
00:41:45
Grumpy Old Prop
It was not good. was I think it was Worsley. um It looked bad. like I don't know what else to describe it other than like he fell.
00:41:53
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, awesome.
00:41:57
Grumpy Old Prop
like basically i think... He fell on his back, but like up shoulders and like his legs were kind of wrapped over like it could have it could have been a really bad outcome.
00:42:07
Jarrod Dyke
accordioned himself up in that.
00:42:09
Grumpy Old Prop
A little bit. Yeah.
00:42:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I've seen that happen.
00:42:11
Jarrod Dyke
That's not fun.
00:42:12
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:42:12
Grumpy Old Prop
No, it's not fun. And it it right. And he just wasn't looking. And yeah. Yeah. I think it was a pretty sure it was where as they went up and and yeah, he was fine and that's great. But this was a good, like a proper, like you don't punish the outcome. You punish what the fuck he did.
00:42:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, yeah, that was bad.
00:42:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're we need to be sure we're doing that. And we've talked about it about a thousand times.
00:42:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And I, I, right.
00:42:40
Jarrod Dyke
punish Punish what they did, not the outcome.
00:42:43
Grumpy Old Prop
And I will say also that, um, the, the officiating of the, the high ball challenges has been so much better lately that, that it's, it fucked me up a little bit at first. And now I'm like, okay, no, I think they're getting it now of, okay, that guy wasn't even going for the ball.
00:43:02
Grumpy Old Prop
I think there was, there was one bad instance of it, I think against Calori. Um, but then I think when we, when we watched it back, no, it was actually right. Like he got, he got the timing right, or he was going for it or something, but, um,
00:43:15
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:43:15
Grumpy Old Prop
it's getting more consistent. So that makes me happy.
Referee Development and Impact
00:43:18
Jarrod Dyke
Consistency is something that would be nice. Yeah.
00:43:23
Grumpy Old Prop
And maybe that's, that's a helpful thing from some of these referees getting um international matches and then getting like, you know, what tempo had the whistle and we know how much we like him and he, but he got that, he got that right. and And I think maybe getting some international matches has been good for you for them because they get reviewed on another level of it too. And they're like Oh, you guys expect a whole other level of performance. and
00:43:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, for sure.
00:43:50
Grumpy Old Prop
and that that's development. So fuck fine.
00:43:55
Jarrod Dyke
Goddamn time.
00:43:56
Jarrod Dyke
Then. hu then what was one of the more frustrating games to experience as a Saracens fan.
00:43:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:44:08
Jarrod Dyke
lot, a lot went bad and they still should won this game.
00:44:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:44:15
Jarrod Dyke
You know, there was a lot of not good about this game in terms of the way they played in terms of, you know, things that were out of their control that didn't go their way.
00:44:16
Grumpy Old Prop
I.
00:44:23
Jarrod Dyke
And it's still sure they still could have won this game.
00:44:24
Grumpy Old Prop
h
00:44:27
Jarrod Dyke
Like,
00:44:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, yeah, I think maybe Malin's has found his place at on the wing, maybe. I don't know. But obviously we don't really need.
00:44:37
Jarrod Dyke
I don't want Daly at the fullback, though.
00:44:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Really. Right.
00:44:38
Jarrod Dyke
hole That's my only problem with that.
00:44:40
Grumpy Old Prop
um right But also, like, hate to say it because he's been, and that is the thing, he's been extremely good the past few years, but Van Zell pooped it.
00:44:54
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, he was bad.
00:44:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Just pooped it all game. It was bad. um Obviously, the highlight was the his pass to Arendelle where it was like, okay, So the whole right side of your attack is telling you go the other way.
00:45:11
Grumpy Old Prop
The left side of the attack is like, yeah, give us the ball. But he, he, he wanted to go right.
00:45:14
Jarrod Dyke
And you went that way.
00:45:17
Grumpy Old Prop
And he like, it's like, and not only did he want to go right, but then he picked it up and was looking for somebody. And there I'll be like, don't pass it this way. Go that way. And he's like, no, no, no, not only are we going to pass it this way, but I'm going to throw us a mispass.
00:45:33
Jarrod Dyke
To the wing.
00:45:33
Grumpy Old Prop
like all the way wide.
00:45:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, nobody's out there fucking wants the ball.
00:45:37
Jarrod Dyke
the wing.
00:45:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's your job as a nine is to, to get it in the right spot. And yeah, that, Oh, that pissed me off more than anything. It was like, it wasn't, it happened.
00:45:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, you know so they, they talked about, Oh, it happens so fast. No, this happened slow. Like,
00:45:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. yeah happened What happened afterwards was fast.
00:45:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:45:58
Grumpy Old Prop
yes, yes, yes.
00:46:00
Grumpy Old Prop
once Once the ball was cut by by i Hank, ah yeah, he...
00:46:02
Jarrod Dyke
It was plenty fast. And
00:46:06
Grumpy Old Prop
he
00:46:09
Jarrod Dyke
even in the situation where you want to throw that ball and it's being called for like it's on.
00:46:16
Jarrod Dyke
There's one thing you need to remember, you do is remember who's on the wing there. If if it's Henry Arendelle, that's not a pass you throw.
00:46:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. If you...
00:46:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:46:23
Jarrod Dyke
He's too goddamn fast. There's a few guys on the on the list that you don't throw that pass for, even in this, just even just in England, let alone in the world.
00:46:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:46:30
Jarrod Dyke
He is on the list of guys you don't want to try and do that to because he is going to get it. He'll be on sides and he's going to get it. Plain and simple.
00:46:38
Grumpy Old Prop
And there's two things. There's there's two things that also. One, you pass the ball fast. You move that ball. If you want to go wide, you got to move it. And two, to me, to my mind, is you have to pass just to the next guy.
00:46:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, because the ball the the ball moves faster when everybody can pass it. When you go wide, you've got to float it. like You can't make that wide pass until you're on the other side of the defense.
00:47:02
Jarrod Dyke
Probably a little bit. Yeah.
00:47:05
Grumpy Old Prop
If you're trying to get around them, pass to the next man and move it and move it quick. and And Van Zell did neither of those things. He went slow and he went wide. and
00:47:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:47:17
Grumpy Old Prop
To people who didn't want the ball. None of those three things did none of those three things were in play. They didn't want it. He didn't pass it quickly and he passed like he best skipped like two guys.
00:47:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:47:32
Grumpy Old Prop
But that's and that's just kind of the I think that's the.
00:47:37
Jarrod Dyke
It's the snapshot of the whole thing right there.
00:47:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, there you go Microcosm.
00:47:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. And...
00:47:43
Grumpy Old Prop
And Bath are good. They're too good to do that, too.
00:47:45
Jarrod Dyke
They're too good. And, like, the the fast drop goal is like, no. And then Dealey going for three yeah at half. Oh, no, no, no, no.
00:47:51
Grumpy Old Prop
No, no.
00:47:52
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:47:54
Grumpy Old Prop
that's a That's an easy go for the corner. You know, you're fucking Saracens. Look at who you've got out there in the forwards.
00:48:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. A lot of good ones. lot of really good ones at that.
00:48:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like, you better be able to to to to just maul it over. Like, Bath did.
00:48:12
Jarrod Dyke
uh, Todaro got two matches, by the way.
00:48:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Oof.
00:48:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. So he'll miss both championship games.
00:48:18
Grumpy Old Prop
The Champions Cups. They'll be alright, because I think Sleightholme's back, so...
00:48:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. That would be helpful for them. I think they're going to need it.
00:48:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it was,
00:48:30
Jarrod Dyke
yeah, it was frustrating because there were so many good things and then they just, they find a way to spit it. And yeah, Bath are good. We talked about teams like Bath who, you know, all blacks against Scotland. They're going to get there.
00:48:41
Jarrod Dyke
So you can't go giving away anything else other than, you know, giving your best to them because otherwise, yeah, it's bad news, man.
00:48:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right.
00:48:50
Jarrod Dyke
And sure enough.
00:48:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:54
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:48:55
Grumpy Old Prop
And credit Beth. I mean, you know, obviously credit to Beth. They're good. They are good. As as you said, like you can't, give them points and you can't like you can't take away points from your own scoreboard and Sari's did both yeah yeah and I think right after wasn't it right after the drop goal let me see
00:49:08
Jarrod Dyke
Did it twice. One of them, we didn't even get fucking points.
00:49:15
Jarrod Dyke
No, because we i think we were going the other way for the daily one.
00:49:20
Grumpy Old Prop
no I thought where's the drop goal yeah 34 minutes drop Farrell hit the drop goal three minutes later
00:49:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, due to I scored shortly after that. Yep. Because we cocked our ti kick return drill.
00:49:31
Grumpy Old Prop
and there was a penalty and the half of it was the kick, know, the, the go into the corner and then getting set up for the mall. So, you know, three minutes, that was really like a minute and a half later.
00:49:37
Jarrod Dyke
Uh-huh.
00:49:40
Jarrod Dyke
right after it It was right after.
00:49:40
Grumpy Old Prop
It was right after.
00:49:42
Jarrod Dyke
this Yeah, and that's and then that's going into half.
00:49:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:49:45
Jarrod Dyke
It's like, mean, I almost gave one away at at halftime too, like a bunch of idiots. I was like, oh, for fuck's sake, guys.
00:49:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:49:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we got lucky on that one. So, I, you know, yeah, and yeah.
00:49:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:49:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, especially you've got six minutes to half. Spend all the six minutes in there. Yeah, sorry. You went back to it.
00:50:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:02
Grumpy Old Prop
gop
00:50:03
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, if we, I'm looking at it because we're up 22 with Feral.
00:50:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, it was 19 before that.
00:50:08
Jarrod Dyke
with ferraoll
00:50:09
Grumpy Old Prop
So you you could kick for the corner. even if Even if you spend that time and it's not working, but you still get maybe at half, you get a penalty and you get a shot at goal.
00:50:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:50:17
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:50:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, okay, fine. Then you take the three. They don't have the chance to score that those points. And now it's 22 to 10 at half.
00:50:23
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:50:26
Jarrod Dyke
Not 22 to 17.
00:50:27
Grumpy Old Prop
And they've they really haven't scored much, aside from the the shit pass from...
00:50:29
Jarrod Dyke
No, moment, and yeah, and you know, they're therere frustrated at the minimum, and that and frustration can do one of two things.
00:50:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:50:37
Jarrod Dyke
it can It can charge you forward, or it can you know, melt you down depending on what happens, but there's still a chance.
00:50:43
Jarrod Dyke
So, and this is a team you just need to do everything you possibly can. Cause I, I don't want the ball in the hands of Finn Russell at all.
00:50:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:50:51
Jarrod Dyke
If I can help it, you know, certainly want it minimized.
00:50:51
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:50:52
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:50:54
Jarrod Dyke
And I certainly don't want him getting a chance to give it to Arendelle, like let alone handing him one.
00:50:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:50:59
Jarrod Dyke
He also got another one later on cause he was able to find some space.
00:51:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:51:02
Jarrod Dyke
Like, yeah. So, and you know, I think any other team, Sarah can still find a way to win this match.
00:51:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:51:10
Jarrod Dyke
Wrong team to do it to, though.
00:51:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:12
Jarrod Dyke
Wrong team to do it to. Plain and simple.
00:51:17
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Superlatives for the week, and we'll be out of here.
00:51:21
Jarrod Dyke
um anybody just Anybody that stood out that overshot themselves a little bit?
00:51:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:51:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, Kieran Marmion still playing over his head and Worsley too has been, um has made it to the, like, yeah, they're they're not really missing listen a beat there.
00:51:33
Jarrod Dyke
m Yeah, Worsley. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:40
Jarrod Dyke
for them oof excuse me um yeah i thought i mean gloucester kind of in general just overshot themselves compared to the way they've been playing i think that's fair to say thoroughly especially thoroughly you know nice to see the old ollie thoroughly coming out coming out um yeah uh i can't pick anybody from friday games i'm sorry Maybe Morrow.
00:51:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:52:06
Jarrod Dyke
Morrow. We'll give that to that we'll give it to him.
00:52:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, Moro. Yeah, no, Moro gets it.
00:52:08
Jarrod Dyke
How's that? We'll give it to him him since he kind of was Mr. Everything. So we'll give we'll give him that.
00:52:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:13
Jarrod Dyke
um I mean, chat themselves.
00:52:18
Grumpy Old Prop
um Well, Van Zell, as we said. um
00:52:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep.
00:52:26
Grumpy Old Prop
um i don't want to say Marcus Smith, but I kind of want to say Marcus Smith. How about this? Let's put it this way. England tens because not ah well the the i I thought it was just um
00:52:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:52:43
Grumpy Old Prop
shit who was it was it Worsley no Skinner was the only um was the only English English eligible tend who won but apparently Billy Searle I thought he might have been Scottish or some of some sort is is also English so um the only two English tends who won were for Lester and Exeter
00:52:47
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:52:59
Jarrod Dyke
but
00:53:05
Grumpy Old Prop
None of the international tens won. So England tens shot the young player is Ben Redshaw, who just had a bit of a stormer.
00:53:13
Jarrod Dyke
yep agreed agreed um any coach yeah young player ref any of those yes he did big that's a good one there check where i don't think wearsley's very old so we can check him into that one as well um
00:53:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, why not?
00:53:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. ah yeah and Shout out to Pat Lamb for you finally performed.
00:53:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Let's see, how old is he?
00:53:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah. so mean Yeah, Worsley's 22. Shit. Good for him.
00:53:48
Jarrod Dyke
There you go. yeah i knew know He's been around for a while and talked to it's easy to forget that he's he's not that old.
00:53:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:53:55
Jarrod Dyke
I
00:53:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:54:00
Jarrod Dyke
i can't give anybody in the official I don't think anybody did anything special. Luke Pierce was good And they for the most part, the rest of them were on par or crap.
00:54:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:54:12
Jarrod Dyke
gri Crap is par for some of them, but nothing special.
00:54:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. But nothing special. Nothing that stood out as like, wow, that was a really was really well done by you.
00:54:18
Jarrod Dyke
No. No. No, no. Oh,
00:54:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Although, wait, what did I say? who shoved Luke Pierce out of the way? with Chandler Cunningham himself. Was that?
00:54:28
Jarrod Dyke
ah yeah.
00:54:29
Grumpy Old Prop
um Was going to make a tackle. all
00:54:31
Jarrod Dyke
That was the Quinn's Gloucester game.
00:54:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Gloucester.
00:54:34
Jarrod Dyke
gloucer game
00:54:35
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah. is He's certainly in the way. is You know, it happens. It was like a weird It wasn't, you know, it wasn't quite his fault, but also good on him for like allowing, like recognizing he is in play and therefore sometimes may need to be moved out of the way.
00:54:46
Jarrod Dyke
My bad. Yeah.
00:54:52
Jarrod Dyke
Sorry. You need to move because otherwise I'm going to move you myself.
00:54:54
Grumpy Old Prop
But right. And I think it was also other, it's also like, unless you want to be between me and him. And I think like lu that's happened to Luke Pierce recently. So I think he's learned. Yeah, I don't want to do that.
00:55:07
Grumpy Old Prop
So yeah, please throw me out of the way.
00:55:11
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Yeah. That's funny. Um,
00:55:17
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. um Try the week.
00:55:21
Grumpy Old Prop
um Well, Redshaw, one of Redshaw's. Either one of Redshaw's tries, really.
00:55:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:55:26
Grumpy Old Prop
They were pretty sweet.
00:55:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah had you had a great week. Good for him. Yeah, this is what we've been missing for him.
00:55:32
Jarrod Dyke
So hopefully we see more of it.
00:55:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:55:33
Grumpy Old Prop
um But also, wait, wasn't it? Oh, Revovo's try was pretty sweet, too.
00:55:37
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, you got loose quick. And it was like, yep, you got him.
00:55:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:47
Jarrod Dyke
Player of the week.
00:55:51
Grumpy Old Prop
My player of the week, I think it's going to have to be Kieran Marmion um
00:55:55
Jarrod Dyke
Nice.
00:55:56
Jarrod Dyke
like it.
00:55:56
Grumpy Old Prop
because of how he played against, yeah, the Saints.
00:55:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, he... I don't know where the fuck he came from. um where Where this Kieran Marmion came from, but I like what I'm seeing.
00:56:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:56:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:56:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Finding in the youth sometimes. it happened it happens. Dick of the week.
00:56:14
Grumpy Old Prop
East grow with a hadn't nod to Daro. But that was like one moment of of what the fuck.
00:56:19
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm. Hmm.
00:56:21
Grumpy Old Prop
And I think he realized even realized it was one of those like, oh, shit, I.
00:56:22
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:56:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Like he did not argue.
00:56:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and even a nod over to...
00:56:27
Grumpy Old Prop
he didn't. He was just labors no like, what did I do? This was a. Yeah, that was me. um Bye, guys.
00:56:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. but And bye, guys.
00:56:35
Grumpy Old Prop
I'll get you. be I'm going to go buy the beer.
00:56:36
Jarrod Dyke
See you in the shower.
00:56:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you definitely should go buy the beer. Yeah, go to this to go to the stands, tell them, deliver the beer, and it's on you.
00:56:38
Grumpy Old Prop
It'll be. Yeah.
00:56:43
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah At least, i mean, well, it was just the 20-minute red. So, but at least, but still, you owe people beer.
00:56:49
Jarrod Dyke
yo shit Yeah, definitely.
00:56:50
Grumpy Old Prop
You're still, still. Oh,
00:56:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and a nod to... the one international game on Dick of the Week for Edsabeth's eye gouge as well.
00:56:58
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, that's about...
00:57:00
Jarrod Dyke
And we won't get into that that whole shit, but...
00:57:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Did you... So, i know i know you've turned off notifications periodically, but... ah Did you see that that picture that with the ah evidence thats about his punishment and it was him in a Wales jersey?
00:57:12
Jarrod Dyke
I did. That's pretty... That's mean.
00:57:14
Jarrod Dyke
That's just mean. ah ah that's pretty that's that's mean that's just mean
00:57:15
Grumpy Old Prop
ah that's
00:57:20
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah. of all
00:57:23
Jarrod Dyke
ah That's just plain mean, man.
00:57:26
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, shit. That's hilarious. All right. we got We got some pick-ems to do here.
00:57:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:31
Jarrod Dyke
Hold
Champions Cup Predictions
00:57:32
Jarrod Dyke
on one second. I got to find my freaking... There we are. Okay. So we got, what, 20-odd matches this weekend or something that? Something ridiculous.
00:57:32
Grumpy Old Prop
We do got some pick-ems to do.
00:57:46
Grumpy Old Prop
12, I believe.
00:57:47
Jarrod Dyke
I can't count. Math's not my strong suit. but
00:57:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Wait, on on. Two, four, six, eight. I have a, if I, my I, this is probably in my error, but I have 11. I don't think that's right.
00:58:01
Jarrod Dyke
There we go.
00:58:02
Jarrod Dyke
24 teams. 12 matches. i knew was somewhere in there.
00:58:02
Grumpy Old Prop
I get the feeling that's wrong.
00:58:04
Grumpy Old Prop
All right. I'll have to figure out where I, which, which match I missed in my pick them. That'll be fun.
00:58:07
Jarrod Dyke
We're going to find out real quick here. I have a feeling. All right. Come on. Why aren't you pulling up? Let's go. tut to Today.
00:58:19
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah, man.
00:58:21
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. Whoever keeps giving this crap company the rights to make these sites, like the EPCR one and the Prem one, like, You need to be fired immediately. Also, hire the hire the guy that runs the friggin' top 14 one, because they at least have some stats I can dive into. Mirrors carried, offloads, line breaks, all that good stuff.
00:58:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:58:49
Jarrod Dyke
Trying to translate it from French is not easy, but you know.
00:58:55
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, come on Fuck it. go I'm not waiting for that. think I have it right here.
00:59:02
Jarrod Dyke
What is going on? Yeah.
00:59:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Ah, I figured out where it was.
00:59:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup.
00:59:09
Jarrod Dyke
There we go. Okay.
00:59:09
Grumpy Old Prop
No, I don't.
00:59:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Damn it. Alright, I'll have to figure sort it out live. Fuck it, we'll do it live.
00:59:16
Jarrod Dyke
We're going to find out. going to find out in a minute here. All right. um Just had it. Come on.
00:59:21
Jarrod Dyke
Come back to Papa.
00:59:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, I know what it is It was Toulouse Sharks.
00:59:26
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, okay.
00:59:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup.
00:59:27
Jarrod Dyke
Interesting.
00:59:28
Grumpy Old Prop
That's it. Well, I can do that one live.
00:59:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you can you can figure that one out, loud I'm sure. um All right.
00:59:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I got it.
00:59:34
Jarrod Dyke
Sale Glasgow Friday night.
00:59:36
Grumpy Old Prop
I have Glasgow.
00:59:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Same Z's. By all in Stormers.
00:59:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Stormers.
00:59:46
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know what they're sending, which is concerning. That's my concern.
00:59:50
Jarrod Dyke
I hope they send everyone, but.
00:59:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Well.
00:59:53
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, yeah, we know. so Was it um Sasha's been there? I would assume don't know why he would go back to um all the way to South Africa.
01:00:03
Grumpy Old Prop
be like, stay up there.
01:00:03
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
01:00:05
Grumpy Old Prop
we'll get you like we'll We'll meet you there.
01:00:08
Jarrod Dyke
If he starts, I'm changing my pick.
01:00:10
Jarrod Dyke
let Let's put it that way.
01:00:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:00:11
Grumpy Old Prop
i'm assuming so that's what that's I'm assuming he starts.
01:00:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:00:13
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know why you would fly him down and back and then back down again.
01:00:17
Jarrod Dyke
I don't, I don't, I don't try and make these decisions, man.
01:00:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:00:23
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, series in Claremont.
01:00:25
Grumpy Old Prop
I have Saris. Yeah.
01:00:27
Jarrod Dyke
Frickin pull their heads out of the collective asses.
01:00:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:00:31
Jarrod Dyke
Then yes. Um, Bulls-Bordeaux.
01:00:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Bulls. I just think it's going to be a tough trip for Bordeaux.
01:00:41
Grumpy Old Prop
And Bulls aren't bad.
01:00:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I... So, I think it'll be similar to what happened with Toulouse last year. They sent everyone, and they they did have a tough game, but they won. So, I think it'll be similar to that.
01:00:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Fair. I mean, they does does Bordeaux have really any good players, though? I mean, no.
01:00:57
Jarrod Dyke
None whatsoever. None whatsoever. La Rochelle and Leicester.
01:01:04
Grumpy Old Prop
La Rochelle.
01:01:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's in France.
01:01:07
Jarrod Dyke
That's my kind of my factor here.
01:01:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:01:09
Grumpy Old Prop
That's it.
01:01:11
Jarrod Dyke
Leinster-Quins. Two teams that really need to pull their heads, again, out of the aforementioned collective butts.
01:01:17
Jarrod Dyke
like Same.
01:01:17
Grumpy Old Prop
It's in Ireland, so I'm going go with Leinster.
01:01:22
Jarrod Dyke
Skylots-Bristol.
01:01:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Bristol.
01:01:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, same. ah Bath and Munster.
01:01:30
Grumpy Old Prop
I have Bath because it's at at the wreck.
01:01:31
Jarrod Dyke
I do too, only because it's at the rec. If this was in Limerick...
01:01:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:01:35
Jarrod Dyke
Totally monster, but yeah, that's the only reason I have it there. So, um, pow and saints. That's what'd be interesting.
01:01:42
Grumpy Old Prop
I have saints.
01:01:44
Jarrod Dyke
I do too. I think, I think they're going to feel things are not quite finished. So hopefully they come out, um, heavy handed to say the least.
01:01:48
Grumpy Old Prop
h
01:01:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And, and also I just, I think they're the better team.
01:01:54
Jarrod Dyke
Um,
01:01:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yeah, power, have some good players. um
01:02:01
Jarrod Dyke
Montego, we'll see, he'll see some old friends on that team.
01:02:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um And then, so will some of the, the, the um English player. Well, no, not like Finn Smith ever played with, with Dan Robson. so um
01:02:13
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:02:14
Grumpy Old Prop
or Or Joe Simmons.
01:02:14
Jarrod Dyke
Dan Robertson. There's a name. Cheesum.
01:02:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Joseph Evans would be interesting.
01:02:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:21
Jarrod Dyke
would be interesting to see him. Toulouse and Shocks.
01:02:26
Grumpy Old Prop
I have to lose.
01:02:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
01:02:28
Grumpy Old Prop
They're home. And Sharks are going to be without Ebenets.
01:02:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they're at home.
01:02:33
Jarrod Dyke
Higher than likely, yes. Higher than likely.
01:02:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:02:37
Grumpy Old Prop
So as bad as they haven't been great and they're gonna be a lot worse.
01:02:39
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
01:02:41
Jarrod Dyke
yeah and Gloucester cast at the home.
01:02:45
Grumpy Old Prop
um I'm going to go with Gloucester.
01:02:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Being at home is kind of doing it for me.
01:02:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. And being against cash, who will fuck you up, but.
01:02:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. I'm assuming that they're going to continue to mail, mail this competition and then not bank on getting lucky again.
01:02:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:03:00
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe they won't, but we'll find out.
01:03:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, we'll find out.
01:03:02
Jarrod Dyke
um And then Edinburgh and Toulon. Interesting.
01:03:07
Grumpy Old Prop
It is and I'm um kind of flipping a coin here and it came up too long.
01:03:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. I and like a lot of what both teams have.
01:03:18
Jarrod Dyke
Toulon have been here more recently.
01:03:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And is it is it legal for two Scottish teams to win in the Champions Cup on the same weekend?
01:03:25
Jarrod Dyke
Probably not.
01:03:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
01:03:28
Jarrod Dyke
Sorry for our Scottish friends.
01:03:33
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, shit. Okay. um So that's that.
01:03:35
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, I'm not, look, I'm not talking about the morality of it or the possibility of it. I'm just i'm just talking about the legality of it is all.
01:03:40
Jarrod Dyke
We're talking about laws here.
01:03:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:03:43
Jarrod Dyke
Not rules, laws.
01:03:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. This isn't about respect, it's about the law.
01:03:45
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
01:03:49
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, shit. All right. So we will we're going to head over to Fantasy Corner and do that real quick. We've got a big slate of start-sit coming up. If you're joining us over there, we'll see you over there.
01:03:59
Jarrod Dyke
If not, enjoy the opening round of Champions Cup this weekend. And thanks for joining us, friends. And have a good one, everyone.
01:04:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:04:06
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.