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Jarrod Dyke: Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm Ben Glauser.
Jarrod Dyke: Let's go to it. This might be long, this might be short. This could go a lot of ways today. Just FYI, everyone.
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Grumpy Old Prop: actually got the correct orange beer this weekend.
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Jarrod Dyke: Oh, you did? Good for you.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You recognized. well you You fixed your mistake.
Grumpy Old Prop: I did fix the glitch.
Grumpy Old Prop: I was the glitch.
Jarrod Dyke: Been trying to fix the lich for years.
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Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's. Hey, that's Raya.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm the problem.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, you know.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's me.
Jarrod Dyke: it's me i the problem um anyway
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. that's that That's, I think what, the first and hopefully last Taylor Swift reference um on on the podcast.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah well you know yeah one to do worse um make sure that you find our find and buy our good friend george the fancy ru rugby geek a coffee or beer
Grumpy Old Prop: but Maybe, you never know. You could.
Jarrod Dyke: Obviously, we are sans fantasy stuff right now, unless you're playing the French game, which is a possibility, but we don't do that. But he's at least got something going for that.
Jarrod Dyke: So um
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: make sure that you buy that man a beer because he's busy in just the same. And um big ups to Aiden for doing the doing the thing he's doing with the Autumn Nations. Appreciate that that that that is a humongous pain in the ass, but he's doing it for the benefit of everyone else. So I respect you, sir.
Jarrod Dyke: All right. um There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life.
Jarrod Dyke: Big day tomorrow here in the U.S. It's election day.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Yeah, we get to vote technically. um No, it's yeah. I don't even think I get to, I don't have anything to vote for, so I'm out. But um no, no, because we we get our ballots and we never, we haven't.
Jarrod Dyke: Really? No like no like questions or anything out there? Weird.
Grumpy Old Prop: So um like if we don't have anything, we just don't have anything.
Jarrod Dyke: Wow.
Grumpy Old Prop: I know, I'm like, I'll have to check, but I'm fairly certain there is literally nothing to vote for in Hopkinson, in my particular town.
Jarrod Dyke: That is nuts. That is nuts.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: there's so There's always so much to vote for in Boston, Brookline, you know that needham Newton, that general area.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So that's wild.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'll have to i'll the check, but there's like nothing on town. Like there's not even like elect someone to be like, I think our elections were during the primary.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that I mean, the mayor here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like the national, like the, yeah. Like ah think we had a lot of stuff.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: We already voted once this year for, for like local stuff. So I think that was it. it's not even signs up for like vote for me for a school board or something like that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: That was all months ago.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, wow. Okay. Interesting. Well, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But either way,
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, the primaries, the primary here was solved with with um the mayor the mayor race. just Yeah, Michelle would just wipe the floor with everyone, which was amazing.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes. Which is awesome. Oh, she's, she's, so I am, I'm so sad that I didn't vote for her, but at the same time she won anyway. So, um, I didn't, and I didn't vote for it because I moved out of Boston.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, it like, right, right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, let's say let's let's let's clarify. Ben didn't get chance to vote for her.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's what I'm sad about. Cause like, and I, I think I legally could have, but I was no longer a resident. So I didn't, um,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But ah no, she's great. And then, of course, we have thats kind of a similar situation in Zoran Mamdani down in ah um New York.
Jarrod Dyke: New York.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's hilarious.
Jarrod Dyke: little more intense down there.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's hilarious. Donald Trump. came out and said, yeah, Cuomo is my candidate. he's So the election, for those who don't know, um, Zoran Mamdani won on, Hey, let's make New York a place people can afford to live. We lose too many people.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, and there's too much kind of suckiness going on. So let's, let's make things better. Um, and no, no, no actual, and with good ideas like, um, city run grocery stores, which, um,
Grumpy Old Prop: really needs to work out because that's, I mean, that's a fantastic idea. We have, you know, state run Packies down. we They call them Packies up here, but basically everything in like Pennsylvania is a state. They call it a state store. If you're going to get wine and beer or anything, it's a state store because the state owns it.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay, got
Grumpy Old Prop: um Or the state owns all the distribution, at least they might not own the stores, but they basically set prices. And
Grumpy Old Prop: and And they are state run, I guess. and But like this is state run, you know, a city run grocery store. Like they're, you know, what it's trying to provide a service. Like people don't understand that government can actually provide service to people.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not just about, um you know, punishing them and like, and, and um protecting the the wealthy.
Jarrod Dyke: you. Mmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: It can also actually exist to to help people like the post office did and ah libraries and stuff like that. And, you know, Momdani is trying to, and um public transit, which should be free. um everywhere that's kind of the whole point of public transit um and like he's trying to be like this is crazy it's like shut the like unbelievably stupid stuff um but anyway cuomo is one of the other candidates he's a former democratic he's the former governor of new york state and um killed a lot of people during covid took a lot of credit for doing an awesome job during covid um
Jarrod Dyke: Man. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: And also sexually assaulted at least 13 women. And of course he was like the centrist Democrat thing and and ah candidate. And there's lots of people who are saying, you know, he's kind of being a little Islamophobic and and it's, it's been pretty fucking gross.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then there's Curtis Silva, who is the fucking basically a fascist Nazi who's insane. So nobody's voting for him either. And it's like, but the fact that like Silva and Cuomo are like, that's who we normally get.
Grumpy Old Prop: And they're both being like kind of actually, if the funny thing is Silva's actually a lot cooler towards Mom Donnie.
Jarrod Dyke: It's wild.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's like, yeah, he's got some good ideas, actually. I just i would never do them, but they seem to be neat or something like that. Like he's actually, he certainly likes him more than he likes Cuomo as far like as like as a human being.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like I see his point, but I fucking oppose everything he stands for.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like that's, you know there's respect there. It's not like this guy who's like, that guy's a fucking creep ball who sucks. Like, yes, he is. Everybody can see that.
Jarrod Dyke: yes yes
Grumpy Old Prop: um But yeah, it's just, I mean, Momdani is going to win going away, but it's just kind of crazy how even like democratic leadership can't come.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah They can't like come out of their own shit to endorse him. They're like, no, we don't like him. It's like, dude, everybody loves him. The people love him because like, yes, these things should be services. They should be free to to use that and a lot more.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, and we can do it by getting billionaires to pay their fair share, which is also fair. Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I mean, let's be honest. you You don't earn a billion. You steal a billion.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh,
Grumpy Old Prop: You can't do it ethically. It's not, it's impossible. Um, you're, you're exploiting like somebody got exploited for you to get that. And, um,
Jarrod Dyke: out totally.
Grumpy Old Prop: And so, yeah, but then pay your fair share back. Like, help the exploited people recover from what you did to them.
Jarrod Dyke: Because that makes sense, right?
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, also, since we're we're on it, and again, sorry, this is going a little long, but it's going to be a short pod so we can lengthen this segment a little bit, but They've cut SNAP benefits, which is, again, people who need food.
Grumpy Old Prop: And not only that, but as I said last week, like so many like, you know, Walmart workers use you SNAP to to make ends meet because Walmart doesn't pay him enough to live.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: no
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah, there that's that's it's not a good situation to be in. um Oh, and we might have ah TSA workers basically walking off the job and shut down air travel.
Grumpy Old Prop: you know And and in we're only, what, three weeks away from Thanksgiving? Which is, um if you also if you're unfamiliar, the the busiest air travel holiday like ever in the US.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I i mean,
Grumpy Old Prop: It's ridiculous. Have you ever flown anywhere for Thanksgiving?
Jarrod Dyke: thank God, no. And I was i was telling one of my clients this, like, I do not envy people that really, that have to do it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And I and like i choose not to, and i don't I've never had to.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And I have that that that luxury, that privilege. I feel terrible for the people that have to cram this in. They have to get on a plane Tuesday night or early Wednesday morning, and then they're back Monday.
Grumpy Old Prop: h
Jarrod Dyke: you know Sunday night. And was like, and if you, if, oh, Sunday's hands down the worse.
Grumpy Old Prop: and that sunday is the worst
Jarrod Dyke: um And if you're, if you're, if something is delayed or late or whatever, your we your whole Thanksgiving and weekend is fucked and it sucks.
Grumpy Old Prop: no
Grumpy Old Prop: and they're already seeing long lines because oh you know with the government shutdown all these tsa agents aren't getting paid. So they're just like, yeah, I'm sick today. Like, yep.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah Don't blame him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, I'm not coming in. Um, which also awesome for them, but at the same time, mean, not awesome for them. They have to work without getting paid. They will get paid in the long run, but fuck.
Grumpy Old Prop: I do. I do that. Um, and also their TSA agent, and we don't need them anyway, but still they're human beings and you know, they have the job that they have.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: And, um, and also the, hu what is it? The the um traffic controllers the same way. Like they might not, they might like, you're going to tell me people are going to be hungry, not able to travel or see their family over Thanksgiving.
Jarrod Dyke: a
Grumpy Old Prop: Like lots of shit is happening in this country that um it's going to get bad.
Jarrod Dyke: Bad things are going to go worse, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Like I swear it's, it's not going to say there's, you know, there's been angry people here. Like it's felt just angry for 10 years.
Grumpy Old Prop: And just everybody's angry already.
Jarrod Dyke: This going to worse.
Grumpy Old Prop: And like, so you see people, you already see people just, you know, losing their shit more at each other, just in general in life. You're like, yep. Okay. That person's losing their shit. Okay. I get, we, I've been there, buddy. I get it. Like there's, there's not, there's not much of like, wow, that guy needs to get control of himself. It's no, guys have that's his day to have that.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: What scares me is that that day, some, you know
Grumpy Old Prop: like right now i just i feel very much like that end montage for v for vendetta when the police captain is like oh i can see everything that's gonna happen someone's gonna do something stupid i remember that was like the first thing and and it's like yeah that this one of their ice agent kind of it's gonna shoot it shoots a little innocent girl um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, right.
Grumpy Old Prop: and it's like If they that's going to happen or the opposite going happen. Somebody is going to be like, you know what? I'm, I'm done with these ice motherfuckers. I'm going to take one out.
Grumpy Old Prop: And so one, somebody, somebody is going to do something stupid.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah right
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm, I'm, I think that's going to be the latter. Although ice has already shot a couple of people. So who knows? um Yeah. Shit's going to go down here.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So fun.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, not good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Can't wait.
Jarrod Dyke: Oof.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, so don't travel on Thanksgiving. just don't be Look, if for if you were in town for Ireland, New Zealand, if you're in the country for that, cool. Enjoy yourself. Get the fuck out now.
Jarrod Dyke: Go.
Grumpy Old Prop: like if you you have a If you came from Ireland and New Zealand, just just get out.
Jarrod Dyke: Get out now. Get out of here.
Grumpy Old Prop: and It's time to go. Like, for for you.
Jarrod Dyke: Go to Canada, even.
Grumpy Old Prop: Love you guys. Thank you so much for coming. I hope you enjoyed yourself. um Please get home safely and as quickly as possible.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, I will...
Jarrod Dyke: I'll read something from our our old friend Bill when we get to that game.
Jarrod Dyke: It's... There's no bueno.
Grumpy Old Prop: Was he there? Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: I've heard it was a general shit show, but...
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Game was too... um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
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Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
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Grumpy Old Prop: that's That's cool too.
Jarrod Dyke: That happens.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep. Once it comes out, if you yeah again, if you have questions, um I know we post the sheet a little close to to business time, but um yeah, whatever. If you if you have questions, like reach out.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Message.
Grumpy Old Prop: we can we like We've been known to leak information from those you know the Patreon stuff to people who ask politely.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes. Yeah. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: And not like the whole thing, but like, hey, i'm I'm looking at these two players. Okay, well, here's what you got.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah yep All right. Um,
Jarrod Dyke: I didn't watch this one. I was, i had, we had company and I started working on my project and what I understood, this was not worth a a bit.
Jarrod Dyke: So, you know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Really, I found it boring for the most part. And like even the second half was kind of cool, but at the same time, like you kind of waited around for something neat to happen.
Grumpy Old Prop: i will say this. England scored Earl Pollock, Mitchell, Cowan Dickey, four tries there. um Ford didn't touch the ball in the lead up to any single one of the four.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just putting that out there. Oh, and he didn't.
Jarrod Dyke: There's that.
Grumpy Old Prop: He got he got one penalty kick. Oh, and a... um No, he didn't. He converted Earl's try, but that was like under the post. so But he missed some some easy ones, too, in the second half. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Earl's try was awesome. It was a ah highball from Mitchell that ah um Freeman... took on basically on the run popped it off to underhill who popped it off to earl and because underhill's like i'm fast but dude you you this is y'all you bud um and and and he just outraced everybody it was like yeah turn on the afterburners dude i i can't pace you so um
Jarrod Dyke: You know where the triline is usually. Here you go.
Jarrod Dyke: well and Remember when he was thought of as just ah just a flash player, Earl?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, oh which i didn't I didn't get from the start, but yes.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and he's...
Grumpy Old Prop: but You know, someone like Henry Pollack has seen now, which...
Grumpy Old Prop: Anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: And he'll be the next Earl.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: Most consistent forward for England, namely someone that's that's even at Earl's level. I'm not saying there aren't others that are close, but there's nobody better, for sure.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, there's nobody. but Like, that's the thing.
Jarrod Dyke: It's sort of...
Grumpy Old Prop: He's as good as any of them, and there's nobody better. Like...
Jarrod Dyke: Right. And i don' i think he's up there on his own in terms of consistency. And um I'm not saying there aren't others that are in ah in a similar tier.
Grumpy Old Prop: who and Especially from the eight position.
Jarrod Dyke: But in terms of, like, who's number one in consistency, it's got to be Earl.
Grumpy Old Prop: Especially from the eight position.
Jarrod Dyke: and all Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: mean, who else are going to throw out there? Callum Chick? Alex Dombrant?
Jarrod Dyke: God, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: Who are... Oh, my.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I mean, Dom's...
Grumpy Old Prop: Am I going to say it? they're there they're They're almost the same player now. Oh, fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, right.
Grumpy Old Prop: i thought it, and I had to say it. and I
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, Dom's falling a little bit, to say the least.
Grumpy Old Prop: i don't like it, but Dom, I don't know what the fuck, dude.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I think the coaching situation at Quinn's is harming him to a point. i don't think it's the only thing that's harming him.
Grumpy Old Prop: i
Jarrod Dyke: with let Let me clarify that.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not. Yeah. I don't know. He kind of shriveled.
Jarrod Dyke: It's not doing any favors by any means.
Grumpy Old Prop: It sucks. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it sucks. ah Kind shittiness being done by England, though.
Grumpy Old Prop: But Pollock...
Jarrod Dyke: not letting Not releasing Hooper, Icky, or O'Connor.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. that That was kind of it. That was a total dick move. um I would have liked to see Skelton in this match too.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, really?
Grumpy Old Prop: But... Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, Fran's not releasing him either.
Grumpy Old Prop: Play your best. Or play the best. um you know like or play the best and what What do you...
Grumpy Old Prop: i mean
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, did Tom Hooper really scare you that much? Like, come on, man.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah seriously um And ultimately, I mean, you look at though the the way, especially those two, the the England's first two tries were, they were basically almost carbon copies with a back three member going up for a high ball and then tipping it back to um or or passing, you know, popping it, what either, you know, kind of one of both.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And then a loose forward scooping it up running the distance. Like, is that really what you're basing your attack on too? Like,
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: That sucks. That's just, it's so ass. You've got these great, like, this this is why I don't like Test Rugby, because, like, yeah, those two moments were fun.
Grumpy Old Prop: But that's
Jarrod Dyke: The rest of it between it is kind of meh.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, right. Yeah. right um
Jarrod Dyke: So to kind of put things a little bit into perspective, and um so I don't know if this reflected well or not, George Ford had seven kicks and 12 passes.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Nine total touches, or sorry, 19 total touches from your fly half. He played, hold on, how many minutes did he play?
Jarrod Dyke: Don't know.
Grumpy Old Prop: um'm I'm getting there. He came out 72 minutes.
Jarrod Dyke: Wow.
Jarrod Dyke: Huh.
Grumpy Old Prop: 72 minutes and he touched the ball 19 times.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, in, if, yeah, I, and I know, I know Mitchell probably kicked the most.
Grumpy Old Prop: Why the fuck is he out there?
Grumpy Old Prop: mean, he may have had a run too, but.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Mitchell and Gordon both kicked the most.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Let me look. Hold on.
Grumpy Old Prop: how many How many carries did he have?
Jarrod Dyke: He had five.
Jarrod Dyke: five ah twenty four touches So
Grumpy Old Prop: So 24 touches.
Grumpy Old Prop: In 72 minutes. i That's a touch every three minutes. Oh, sorry. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: That scares me how I did that math. But... um
Grumpy Old Prop: Still, that's that's it? Once every three minutes you touch the ball at 10? I'm sorry. He's purely decoration at that point.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I mean, by the numbers, comparing just comparing his opposite, Edmund had six carries. I know he had more passes. he had a lot more passes. He had 24 passes, so he touched the ball quite a bit.
Jarrod Dyke: and that And that could be also from him being the... Either one of them could be from moments in the backfield returning kicks.
Grumpy Old Prop: Could be.
Jarrod Dyke: And Edmund had four kicks.
Jarrod Dyke: So ah Australia's intent by the numbers is there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Their accuracy and their quality is probably what bit them in the end. And, you know, let's face it, England has... the most quality in the world minus South Africa and New Zealand, maybe, but that's it.
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe France.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right now, yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um So it says, yeah I mean, it's the lack of quality in Australia. And yeah, I mean, if I was, ah know, I mean, if I was in Australia, the number one person that you'd want out there is probably Tom Lina because he's the perfect blend of the future, but also probably your best player um with O'Connor backing him up off the bench with a five three split, not a 6-2 split. Thank you very much.
Jarrod Dyke: um Yeah, I... don Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: oh and and one more thing i want to go back to england for is i want to talk about the disparity between again i mentioned him underhill being able to to hit earl um
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then, I mean, he was also, you know, ah say a 700 on defense too, which is always fun to watch. But like, want to point to the, the everybody's like, I don't know.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know why Tom Curry is is again so so well thought of. I know he's he's okay, but like the two splash plays that I saw him make was one when he smushed Tay and Ed Bed, who for some reason was just not paying attention.
Grumpy Old Prop: um back in the in the back, like, after he was helping field a kick.
Jarrod Dyke: Hello.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, I guess he yeah he was in the midfield option to to kick it away, I believe. And he just fucking held it. And, like, here comes... Tom Curry just running and running him down.
Jarrod Dyke: clock in his head was not going fast enough.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. No, the clock was off. Like, like off, off as in not on.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And he ah yeah. And but like Curry kind of smooshed him over the top. He didn't cut him in half, which he should have done.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like as a as a if you're a, you know, a hard forward who's wants to make an impact. and you're charging down a 10 who's just stagnant, cut him in half. Don't like do the the belly flop on it. It was i mean it could it was one of those, like he was he was high, but it wasn't a high tackle kind of thing. I don't know how to describe it.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I get what you mean.
Grumpy Old Prop: But not not good. Not good form at all. And then...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, more or less chest to chest.
Grumpy Old Prop: and Yeah. And then... um and like Edmund was like turtling at that point. So it was like more like his shoulder to... curry's belly almost um and uh and then the the pass off to to chesom who that went like two meters behind him um when chesom was through and it's like what the fuck that guy i i don't know how he gets out there like i i get it that he hits hard but again
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, Jesus.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's why I liked Underhill there.
Jarrod Dyke: Big deal.
Grumpy Old Prop: I actually liked their their back three in this in this case, how they how they did it, except for, like, if you took Tom Curry off of that bench and put another back on there, that's a perfect lineup.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then also put one of the Smiths at 10.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: To me, that's a ah perfect lineup.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And they are playing...
Jarrod Dyke: Who are they playing this week?
Grumpy Old Prop: um so that's next weekend. Fiji.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, jeez. Yeah, this will be a very changed team, I have a feeling.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I... you know
Grumpy Old Prop: But I mean, I'll show you, and I do want to see that, that Australia, like, not Aussie's worst team, but certainly not their best.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean...
Jarrod Dyke: No, it wasn't their best.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I know Potter did well in this game, but more or less, he's still not quite what you want, but i I'm imagining that there's not... I mean, you had Dagonia on the bench, I would probably put him in before but before Potter, and this is is is where Josh McKindle loses me a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But he's also like these games, these games don't mean too, too much.
Jarrod Dyke: and And just...
Grumpy Old Prop: And he's already seen his guys from the lion series. So I like that. He's, he's getting some new players involved too.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm more than happy with that. I'm more than happy with that, but yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, you know, Jake Gordon.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Should have given Lonergan a little bit more run.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think so.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, just let him, let let's see what he has. And people can change for good or for worse.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um When they get onto the test, the test stage.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So I think it would be interesting to see
Jarrod Dyke: you what Lonegan does. And I know he's played a little bit, but not that much, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I think he's got like 10-ish caps. but So you could use a few more if you're going to... And I would still say, while I like Jake Gordon and have preferred him to likes of Nick White, I'd still say Tate's their best.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: that And I know he's but he's hurt, so that's not helpful at the moment.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. What you to
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, you've got to figure out something else because you've only got four Super Rugby franchises.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So you've got to find it, man.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah,
Grumpy Old Prop: Hell, we have more US MLR franchises than that.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: Still.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah but I'd still take any one of those players for the most part.
Grumpy Old Prop: Almost. Oh, yeah, of course.
Jarrod Dyke: um And then...
Jarrod Dyke: Was this Pepper's second or third game? Because he played a little bit this summer.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And sadly, he's...
Grumpy Old Prop: there
Jarrod Dyke: Everyone is like giving big ups to him because... he because ah And this is the problem that we have. Because of all the tackles he made.
Jarrod Dyke: That shouldn't be the emphasis if we're going to move this game forward.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: there's no way There's no way to split it here, guys. like If that's the emphasis for a fairly young player, like they have to tackle and fuck attacking ever.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, they scored four tries, but this is not a good Australia team. I think we all can admit that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: and yeah um Sounds like they kind of scored them a little bit in their sleep. So it's...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Oh, he only had three carries.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, if...
Grumpy Old Prop: come on, man.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he had a total of two meters.
Grumpy Old Prop: Ugh.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, and we, we know he can attack.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So, which tells me, which tells me it's coming from Borthwick or whoever the attack coach is, depending on, probably both if we're honest.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: um And that is killing the sport for the men. It's killing test rugby, number one. But number two, it's just going to kill the sport in general if that's where we're going. Like, this is not,
Jarrod Dyke: Like we were, cause we were in the, I was in the gym today and one the kids asked me like any good games this weekend? I was like, Island, New Zealand, maybe that's it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And they were just like, I was just like, yeah, if you want, if you want to see points, yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, I mean, Scotland, scotland USA.
Jarrod Dyke: But and they all went one direction.
Grumpy Old Prop: But yeah. that
Jarrod Dyke: We'll talk about that in a second.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, but that's what I mean.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's kind of what i was saying last week. Like test rugby is not it's it's not fun.
Jarrod Dyke: Nope.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like is this like it's the highest level of competition. Yeah, it's got the best players. I'll give you that. It's got great players. You know what I'd like to see them do play rugby.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Instead of these coaches that are worried about losing.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Play. See what happens. That's it. I mean, that's what that's what New Zealand did.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: How they do again.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Pretty sure it came on the right side of it. We'll talk about that in little bit too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, like try something. Don't just be like, OK, we're in we're middle of the field. So one crash and then kick so we can we can play down there. And it's like. You know, you can carry it down there, too.
Jarrod Dyke: You can. and like and and And for me, like one crash is at least too too too too few.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Like, try something.
Jarrod Dyke: At the minimum.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just try it. What's what's what's ah you know the worst that's going to happen?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, we turned it over right here. Okay. Then fix your shit. like ah I mean, to be fair, there were a lot of penalties and in Australia, England, because they were getting like they were getting out of their structure so much. It was really like they had some good go-forward rugby at times.
Grumpy Old Prop: But then they would just get themselves isolated. Like it wasn't even it was not well played. Let's put it that way. Like yeah there were it was like well played to the point.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then they just forgot to be like, oh, wait, no, no, no. Let's play good rugby.
Jarrod Dyke: Oops. Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like what I tell my my boys a lot is like.
Jarrod Dyke: hos
Grumpy Old Prop: The structure is there to kind of tell you where to be and in certain circumstances. But yes, at times it's got to break down. You go for for for distance or you go for points for a try.
Grumpy Old Prop: But then it's it's how quickly can you get back into the structure? And both these teams are just like, eh, fuck getting back into the structure. Let's just play. And then penalty because they would be holding on to the bottom of the ruck because there'd be no ruck support.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, great, you got 20 meters.
Jarrod Dyke: There was...
Grumpy Old Prop: You know, rather than, you know, you could have done that in 10 more phases instead of three and then lost the ball.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: no Yeah, there's a point to it, you know? you Yeah, if you attack willy-nilly like a fucking idiot, then, yeah, you will turn it over. But if you stay within yourselves and your structure and your, you know, and yeah, and yeah you're going to have to try some things, but, like, just don't totally throw the whole thing out the window.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Don't lose your shape.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: ah um Fucking...
Grumpy Old Prop: don't Don't throw the last pass the last pass. Just hold on to that. Get back into the shape.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: last thing and then we'll get on the goddamn thing here um every coach is allowed to talk to talk about to the referee beforehand Bortho went into Australia's ruck entries and i was like uh you do understand that people like Curry and Underhill live on shithousery right like they're gonna be all about that Cowan Dickey too um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You have guys that live on that. Why are you pointing that out? Because now he's going to look for it for both directions.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: You're a moron. Like, i don't have a, and I continue to just lose space faith every, and know I'm not probably the only one and I'm the outlier here, but continue to lose faith in Bartho over time here. I don't see, as it stands right now, in two years' time, England will not, I don't even know if they'll make the semifinals.
Jarrod Dyke: They'll probably make the semifinal by the skin of their teeth as they did last time, but they'll get schwacked in the and the semifinal and play the third place game, which they may lose.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I, I think there's just, um, I think as a coach, he's just a guy.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, I don't think he, he, I don't think he detracts from this team.
Jarrod Dyke: think that's a fair assessment.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I think in a lot of ways he helps them. Cause I think, you know, I think his, his selection is getting better you know for notwithstanding in the six to notwithstanding, but like, you know, he he makes mistakes.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: But yeah, as a tactician, I think he's poor. And i I, as a, um from the Belichickian point of view of, A, I'm going to take away your team's, you know, the the standard.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm going to away your team's greatest threat, make you beat us with your your C guy um or D.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I'm going to use the rule all the rules to my advantage. It's just non-existent with him.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And ah the to me, that's like the standard of coaching now is is you have to do certain things to help your team. And I'm always with Bortho going to come back to that game against Bristol with the the um John Afoa incident.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: What a fucking idiot. I can't believe he was that fucking dumb. Um, and, and that's, that's one of those always going to be when, know, your first impression is the lasting one.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then that's always going to be my real first impression of him as a coach. Like, what do you have as a coach? Oh, I'm going to, I have two options. One where they, they go down to 13 and I have an uncontested scrum or the other one where I bully John Afoa into coming onto a game for the deciding scrum.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um,
Jarrod Dyke: Nope.
Grumpy Old Prop: just Just think about what the the the two differences there in this scenario and what it would take to do the second.
Jarrod Dyke: Nope. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah, it's not that's not coaching. that's that's I'm going to shut up. And yep, he can't play anymore. Okay, cool. We'll go down uncontested.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: That's fine by me. You still got to bring somebody on and they still got, so we're still going to go against, you know, seven against five in the back. So yes, please.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, right?
Grumpy Old Prop: Like on the goal line, like on the five meter line.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, because you still have to put 8 in the scrum.
Grumpy Old Prop: the Fuck. What the fuck? I didn't even put that in in the the context of it, too.
Grumpy Old Prop: John Afoa gets up. Fuck you. i'm going to shove it right up your ass and win that penalty. And guess what he did?
Jarrod Dyke: a
Grumpy Old Prop: Guess what he did?
Jarrod Dyke: Exactly that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because he's John motherfucking Afoa and you don't poke that bear.
Jarrod Dyke: Exactly that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Anyway, sorry. i like I also like telling that story because that's...
Jarrod Dyke: Nope, that's...
Grumpy Old Prop: ah there's no there's There's almost like no coming back from that.
Jarrod Dyke: It's a thing of legends.
Grumpy Old Prop: So that's when you're going to...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's going to be in your epitaph somewhere. ah Pissed off John F.O. to lose a game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um So I actually don't think this was televised over here, the South Africa-Japan game.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't think so either. i couldn't see it.
Jarrod Dyke: Sadly.
Grumpy Old Prop: And how the fuck did they do better against that South Africa team?
Jarrod Dyke: I couldn't find it anywhere.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm talking about Japan here. How did they do better than freaking USA did? Against Scotland's, like, C-Squad. Featuring Darcy Graham and Vendor Merva.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah and do on and dobby yeah yeah i mean we talked about sasha like from all accounts yeah i'm sure we will next week um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I want to see him. and want to see him.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it's going to be interesting, say the least. But yeah, he's he's the thing. He's the deal. And he he is he's bad news for every team that's playing against him, club or country.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, yeah. um and they
Grumpy Old Prop: hey do you think they're gonna the south africans are gonna treat him the way like english people treat marcus smith and henry pollock where you think they're just gonna enjoy fucking watching him play rugby
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know.
Jarrod Dyke: It'd be nice if it was that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Anyway, sorry. um You were saying?
Jarrod Dyke: yeah the And then they had, know, they did some of the smart things. They brought on um the young kid, Porthin,
Jarrod Dyke: um the prop. Like, I think that's his first game. He's only played,
Grumpy Old Prop: That's awesome.
Jarrod Dyke: he's played a little bit. One, two, three, four. had five He's had five URC games, including end of season last year.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cool. That's, that's, that's what you do.
Jarrod Dyke: bunch bunch of... hint yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: That's how you do it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah. And he was at the world under 20 championships last year. Not this past year, but last year.
Grumpy Old Prop: And he's a tight head.
Jarrod Dyke: So...
Grumpy Old Prop: oh
Jarrod Dyke: So... You know, they're they're...
Grumpy Old Prop: fuck you.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, they did the smart thing. They gave him a shot.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's like, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like... You know, against a team that they don't need all their heavy hitters.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: you know They really don't.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. That's like the the the Jason Newstead role right there.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, why don yeah why would you need that?
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, holy shit, I just got pulled into this. All i have to do is just just scrum, dude. Got it. Can do.
Jarrod Dyke: All you have to do is just be you. All you have to do is just be you and you're yeah and we can handle the rest.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, all right. It'll just be you. Yeah. It'll be all right. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. i do I did read that Ox came off in this game, which is not awesome for them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, 18 minutes in.
Jarrod Dyke: So we'll see how that goes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, Steen Camp came on, Grubbler, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, i mean there I mean, they can let Quagga Smith walk anytime now. That'll be all right.
Grumpy Old Prop: How is, how, that's so weird that Andre Esterhazen was 20.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: Koggesmith's 21. But
Jarrod Dyke: I think they wanted to make a point that he was playing forward, which he did.
Grumpy Old Prop: did he? I didn't even, I didn't see, like I said, I didn't.
Jarrod Dyke: came in the back Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck, that's hilarious. That, okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he came on for either Jasper or Sia. I can't remember which one.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wow.
Jarrod Dyke: They came on together, the two of them, Quagga and Nester Hazen.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, they came up, right. Yeah, came on for Visa and Khaleesi.
Jarrod Dyke: They pulled Visa and Khaleesi. Yeah, I mean, it's it's a machine, and it's going to take some doing to stop these guys.
Jarrod Dyke: don't think there's a question about it. And, yes, there are teams that are going to get results on them every once a while. That happens. that's they're not They're not perfect. But, really, the way they're going, like, you know, they – they They're just... they're they're they're you know They're playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers right now.
Jarrod Dyke: And yes, Razzie tried some silly things like the line out the mall line out in the middle of the field.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, okay, that went bye-bye real quick. It's like, yeah, okay, this actually isn't working. At least he tried it. It was something they tried. It worked for a minute. People figured it out. They're like never mind. We can just throw this in the bin.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay, we're going to not do that.
Jarrod Dyke: All good. But therere they're trying shit. And, you know, it's... ah A ton of rights got to go to them, and i i don't know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: there There will be a team that can challenge them in 27.
Grumpy Old Prop: I...
Jarrod Dyke: I just don't know which one it's going to be.
Grumpy Old Prop: it And I think he's doing a pretty good job of, um for the most part, of... It's funny, following the All Blacks rules. um Like, when you're at the top of your game, especially that, you know, you're at the top of the game, change your game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, he's definitely... They're different, and they keep keep innovating.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, he is not afraid to innovate and do something different and just do it. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like... the way Eddie Jones was... Before he just became Edward Jones. um
Jarrod Dyke: Just a total little helmet.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. and um Razzie kind of went through his helmetist phase. But I think that's also was just him trying shit. So I don't know.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. And he was, he was, he was not, when he was being a total knucklehead, he was not, exactly in charge, you know, was. So, um, yes, obviously Rousey had as much to do with it as anybody else.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: And I don't think anybody would deny that. I think we'd be silly to assume otherwise, but you know, he technically he wasn't the guy in charge. So maybe something in his head told him he didn't have to have his brain on the whole time, but, so um, yeah, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And Hey, listen, I am I've, always been the person that will say, well, if it isn't broke, fix it because it will be broke at some point if you're paying attention well enough.
Grumpy Old Prop: the
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: So yeah. Okay. Keep the stuff that's still working, but you know, let's find ways to tweak, not overhaul tweak.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: I think that's the big difference between um ah a very good coach that continues to evolve such as Razzie has. And quite honestly, what, what Eddie did, which was, no, I'm just going to totally change everything. It's like, what whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. well Time out, Chief. Like, you had something that was working and you're totally going change it. Not not tweak.
Jarrod Dyke: Totally going to change it? Uh, that's a terrible idea. How'd that work out for you? Just, just, just, just want to know Like, still, still holding the same job down?
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: No? Had to change it? Okay. Just, just, just clarifying. Just throwing it out there. Um,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Murrayfield. I...
Jarrod Dyke: The whole thing was pathetic. Honestly. And I have...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, they can't.
Grumpy Old Prop: I've seen. you you know, it's funny. what um Our Jared and mine old coach who now actually coaches with me.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Put together a stat about just our college collegiate conference and, you know, how many the the games are split. like what the the final scores are and how few are even within seven points, um just because of the nature of, you know, people learning to play rugby.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Grumpy Old Prop: We were part of ah us game very close to this. ah We lost 78 to nothing to a team that's going to probably going to, at least if they don't win the national championship, they're going to be in the final four.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Very good. But like, I think, because it's very similar to this in that the opposition is playing faster. They're a little bit stronger because because of that, they're already in an advantageous position, which is why it looks like they're just overpowering you.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's just because they're in the spot before you are um and winning those races. Once they're there, it's it's just, it's all bad, but at some point, like you're going to like shut them down.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then at some point you're going to get to play with the ball a little bit. If you can play a little bit and, the Eagles couldn't even play a little bit. Like, they couldn't do simple shit.
Jarrod Dyke: no
Grumpy Old Prop: and And it's just so stupid. Like, they can't pass to each other. They just look like helmets the whole time.
Grumpy Old Prop: they can't They can't take a ball to ground without losing it and then giving up a try right off of it.
Jarrod Dyke: Nope.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, You can't do one thing right at all. ah It's so fucking embarrassing.
Jarrod Dyke: And I'll be the first person to...
Grumpy Old Prop: and These guys aren't even an all this isn't even an all MLR team. like, these aren't the best guys in the MLR because the best guys in the MLR aren't US eligible.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're most of them are Canadian eligible, which but like, what the fuck does that say about say about us?
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. A lot them are.
Jarrod Dyke: We've got problems.
Grumpy Old Prop: this was This was awful to watch from a rugby standpoint.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um you know great
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: when you know what What Scotland did was was fun, excellent rugby.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But it was just also very simple. It was like, okay, well, we have a four on three. the i'm just going to We're going to pass down the line until someone's open.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wow.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I mean...
Grumpy Old Prop: Shocking shit.
Jarrod Dyke: it it's and this is a snapshot of the whole thing when they were doing the kick chase and toby f fricker got a piece of row row was able to offload it to think it was graham doesn't matter who it was honestly whoever it was because they did not have themselves organized in that kick chase enough to understand that all right one person is going to take the ball and
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm
Grumpy Old Prop: hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: at least one, if not two other people need to be ready to take on guys that are going to take the ball from them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm
Jarrod Dyke: And yeah, I'm pretty sure they either got a lot of meters out of it or they scored off. It probably scored off it it for being honest here.
Grumpy Old Prop: hmm. Probably both, actually.
Jarrod Dyke: do Yeah. oh Yeah. Definitely. yeah I'd say both if they scored. Yes. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Also, Boney just got...
Jarrod Dyke: I,
Grumpy Old Prop: Boney got so stepped by Rho. Like, Rho didn't even give him his best.
Jarrod Dyke: he sucks.
Grumpy Old Prop: He gave him his, like, third best move. And Boney was like, I'm fucking done.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah he sucks he's he's he's a shithouser and it only hit and that's why i don't like him i don't know why we bothered with him um yeah i'm like ethan mc and i know he came mcfey should have played nine for dahas way before had to come on for beset like we know what ruben dahas has we know he's probably the best nine and in in that's us eligible like
Grumpy Old Prop: He was awful. And he was slow. Like, everything... o Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. 71st minute. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: You need to find out other guys. You know, you need McVay, Oscar Lennon, pretty much on anybody else.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Not J.P. Smith. Do not do that. Do not do that. Don't do it. Yeah, it's, you know, I was semi-excited about watching Storty, and then he he got hurt, and I was like, never mind.
Jarrod Dyke: I think he could have played 13, but then Lopetti comes on, who's a fucking moron. Like, ugh.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh yeah, every shit just was going wrong and every single time 22 was around.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm...
Grumpy Old Prop: Every single time.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, Lepetti's not... he's ah And I was talking to um another another WhatsApp group. like We don't do... And we talked about this at the beginning being of the season on the pod.
Jarrod Dyke: We don't do enough player development from a young age.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: you know you We have...
Grumpy Old Prop: We're even at this age, they even at the senior level, there's no player development whatsoever.
Jarrod Dyke: we have
Jarrod Dyke: no No. But like if you want... And Bissag's the one... silver lining to the whole thing like i think he's he's fairly he's still pretty young think he's got a lot he's got a boatload of talent he's gonna be the guy that's gonna have to drag us through this whole thing because he he is pretty good he's performed at international level um at under 20s he's been good um you know think he only just finished uh college uni so
Jarrod Dyke: And he's already got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. He's got 16 which is So on Let's progress on So doing okay in that. Sounds like Canada, right? got sixteen caps which is good
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's not bad.
Jarrod Dyke: so let's progress on that
Grumpy Old Prop: That's not bad.
Jarrod Dyke: that's progress on that so butre doing okay in that um
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, it's, other than that, like, we can't just have one. That's the problem. We only have we we only have one.
Jarrod Dyke: And we always only have one. We always only have one AJ. We only have one Todd Clever. We only have one Chris Wiles. We don't ever have more than that.
Jarrod Dyke: And it's it it's, and they were talking about Years ago, years ago when the MLR started, m o site they're going to have academies and they're going to do And it's... Those don't exist still, guys. Like, they... Yes, technically they do.
Jarrod Dyke: But... Academies at the level... In the way that most people think of them and the way the MLR does them are almost polar opposites.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And I mean that in the worst way. And... They are...
Jarrod Dyke: There's a lot of things that could be done, at least from what ah we see locally here. And I'm assuming it's going on in every other place because I have nothing else to go on. But but I think my money would be safe if I were to put a bet on it.
Jarrod Dyke: there There's so many things they could do to help rugby growth in these teams. And they could, and I know they hold quote-unquote clinics, but they could, you know, work on coaches meeting of the minds more than once a fucking season thank you um yeah you and you got to get and if you have if you want to get like proper academies in then yeah you got to get on the same pages with your local schools which they don't always like i can tell you for a fact two years ago they didn't know when the high school season started
Grumpy Old Prop: he
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, right.
Jarrod Dyke: They didn't know in the high school season, because they ah they were like, oh, we would love to have your players in. Dude, the high school season hasn't started yet. So I don't know how you expect me to organize this.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, I've only had one email communication with my players, and like, between now, between what you're talking about and now. Like, that's it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So you need to get on the same page as that. And I've said it before. Stop worrying about the results. worrying about Worry about performance.
Jarrod Dyke: Are these guys doing...
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Are they playing good rugby in and and the good rugby that that Ben and I love to talk about? Are they playing that stuff? If the answer is yes, and maybe they're just miscommunicating or they're just misexecuting something, awesome.
Jarrod Dyke: Keep going. It'll click.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Don't worry about fucking wins. Wins and losses.
Grumpy Old Prop: right
Jarrod Dyke: And, you know, you and I... here's the So Ben and I played against, or or our the high school team I coached, and Ben helped me.
Jarrod Dyke: um We played against team that's coached by a guy that the local academy loves.
Jarrod Dyke: And I'm sure Ben can tell you the rest of the story about what happened in that match.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it was bad.
Jarrod Dyke: Because it was bad.
Grumpy Old Prop: Ugly, gross, and easily defensed. duc Yeah. Because the problem is they don't, some of these coaches don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Grumpy Old Prop: So they're just like, oh, this is a good player.
Jarrod Dyke: no
Grumpy Old Prop: He gets, when he gets the ball, good things happen. Like he does good things by himself. And it's like,
Grumpy Old Prop: that's not how rugby is won. It's not one versus 15 times 15. It's um how well can you use the players around you?
Grumpy Old Prop: And, and, you know, Jared can attach how proud I am of my team that they're playing like that.
Jarrod Dyke: yep
Grumpy Old Prop: um Like, shit, I said that video fucking everywhere.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like, Because that's what they're doing. And it's like, that's good rugby. I don't care how good you are. The person next to you is good too. If they have the the the whole fucking feed them and then follow them because they're going to run into somebody like that's, you know, Jared knows that was, that was one of my all time favorite moves is all will suck up the defenders, pass it out to you.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, there's usually one or two guys back there.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then I'll follow you and for a prop. I get the best of both ends. I get a little bit of a smash after the, after I give the pass late and then, I followed up and I are' running free for a try.
Grumpy Old Prop: Sometimes it's hilarious and fun.
Jarrod Dyke: and
Grumpy Old Prop: Like that's so much better than just running into a fucking brick wall 20 times a game. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Only for like, you know, one or two pop offs. It's like, look at how good I am. It's like, yeah, but the team fucking sucks.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, and that's, but that's what they look for.
Jarrod Dyke: So it's it's a bit it's a big issue.
Grumpy Old Prop: So they're like, Oh, I can sell that guy. Like I'm thinking about, you know, some of the guys that I got this year and I'm like, okay, how can I make them better? And what can I help them do to help or, you know, help the team around them better too?
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, it's not just, Oh, wow, that guy's good.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm never going to talk to him. i'm just to let him or or work with him on improving his game. I don't have to.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. honest Don't assume that ever.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like, no, we're going to make him better.
Jarrod Dyke: Like...
Grumpy Old Prop: So,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, like easily... Like you're... We'll get off this in second, I promise. um Easily the most talented player I've coached in 10 years came through last year. And there wasn't a second I was...
Jarrod Dyke: not feeding shit into his head like you can do this you could do that like there are many options that he could do and you know the there's some options that he never unleashed that i know he can and i use some and sometimes it's putting confidence into them sometimes it's showing them how to do it in another way and like the things that he could still do that he never executed is terrifying what he could was terrifying what he could turn into in that case like
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: you know, a fizz pass across the face of a couple of your guys to get to the wing. Never saw that out of him. He had the ability to do it though.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: And how do you ever pulled it off? I bet you we would had a few more line breaks and ah that wouldn't have changed the result by the end of the season, but still it would have been just one more thing to unlock for him. And it's, you know, it's a matter of
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: good coaching, making them believe that they can do what they what they can do, and also, yeah, showing them the different ways and and teaching them the different ways. And it's, it there's, in in general, in the United States for rugby, it's too much, this guy's super talented, let's let's put him in the, let's put him, you know, in this position where he's going to touch the ball a lot, but never mind anything else. It's like, oh, come on, guys.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, you know, Todd Clever could have been even better, which is terrifying to think about.
Grumpy Old Prop: He was good.
Jarrod Dyke: Because he was a fantastic player.
Grumpy Old Prop: He was very good.
Jarrod Dyke: like anybody that hasn't Anybody that hasn't seen that, he was a big part of the ah Rugby World Cup Triad of the tournament in 2007. Yeah, um yeah Felo was good.
Grumpy Old Prop: and he He'd be good today.
Jarrod Dyke: and
Grumpy Old Prop: Like not, you know, not today at his age today. I mean, like if he was, he'd be, um he'd be ridiculous.
Jarrod Dyke: If he was 20-odd today, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. So, U.S., you got a shit ton of work to do. there so yeah and that's just one of those ones for scotland you just you had to fuck about maybe you saw some things that you wanted to see but ah in the end you get you don't get much out of it
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: No. Other than Jamie Doby can play a little bit.
Jarrod Dyke: um yeah well the a listen they i mean they that that talk about developing guys and giving guys chances he needs he needs a chance and i think if he continues to get chances
Grumpy Old Prop: Which, maybe. don't know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I think Scotland are going to be even better. And I, and I like Ben white. I like George horn, but this kid may be the future.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So, you know, gotta, gotta get him in there. Um, man, over to Chicago, Ireland, New Zealand. So let me, i mean did you see Bill's post by the way?
Jarrod Dyke: don't know if you saw it or not posted this morning.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, ah did not.
Jarrod Dyke: Um,
Jarrod Dyke: ah the great atmosphere around the city of Chicago this weekend, plenty of amazing events. ah Match itself took two steps back from 2016. um Couldn't have been worse timing after the Eagles had just got pounded.
Jarrod Dyke: um Socherfield had issues with their beer selection. They ran out of Guinness.
Jarrod Dyke: Like he's, as he says, how do you run out of Guinness knowing half of Ireland would be showing in town?
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Like, yeah, that's bad. And you've known about this match for a year, so don't give me that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, Stadium Entertainment didn't seem to and to take it seriously. They miscued the New Zealand anthem. We didn't even see it on Peacock, by the way.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, no, we don't.
Jarrod Dyke: We saw neither anthem.
Grumpy Old Prop: Nope.
Jarrod Dyke: Um...
Grumpy Old Prop: We were fortunate enough to see the Haka. Like they kind of, they were still talking over it almost. ah
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, man, thank God.
Grumpy Old Prop: Anyway, go ahead.
Jarrod Dyke: They just stopped. i'm Trying too hard to fill every dead ball with noise. Uh, not even popular music. It's, like, just weird canned music beds. Um... PA announced the wrong call a lot.
Jarrod Dyke: ah No on-screen TMO, which was a joke because, yeah. um We'll talk about the tight burn on the red card, but that was one of the ancient that was one of the annoying things in the stadium, he said, the um because they didn't know what was going on with that because they were watching on the little tiny monitor on the side of the field there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Children Field treated this match as if it was a favor to host the event, not like they actually were happy to do it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wanted to, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um not good um pitch was shit which we could see from the TV view um yeah it isn't and yeah it's not a big it's not just a big it's not quote-unquote big deal as Bill's saying it's a part of the match day experience that is important now as it will be in 2031 which is when we're supposed to host the World Cup and you know I said it to um the other WhatsApp group like World Rugby giving us the amount of money they gave it they gave us without putting some sort of watchdog on that thing was fucking stupid.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: do they Do they know where they gave money to?
Jarrod Dyke: if you're If you're out there and you are fine with it, you don't know what you just did, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, at all?
Jarrod Dyke: You don't understand how stupid USA Rugby
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah go back and Also, go back and listen to our are are that that first No Discrimination segment, because that'll pretty much tell you why you don't give Americans money with no...
Jarrod Dyke: so
Grumpy Old Prop: or you know American institutions money with no and oversight.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Don't do that.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, Jesus, man. Like, what do you we do what are we doing? So, yeah, I mean, it sounds like the the time had wasn't horrible by any means. You know, I see a picture of Bill and Todd Clever and Will Hooley.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. Well, yeah, you mean you yeah you you make it you find ways to make it fun.
Jarrod Dyke: You could do worse. Yeah,
Grumpy Old Prop: It's rug it's still rugby, but it yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah absolutely. Absolutely.
Grumpy Old Prop: But like didn't they host a game? Wasn't they that first Ireland win against the All Blacks? Wasn't that there?
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. And 2016 was the year he was comparing it to, which is what was was that.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: He said, yeah, two steps way back.
Grumpy Old Prop: How does that happen? I just don't get it.
Jarrod Dyke: um Stupidity and straight sets, my friend.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, okay. ah
Jarrod Dyke: You know?
Grumpy Old Prop: i'm I'm just still dumbfounded.
Jarrod Dyke: i mean...
Grumpy Old Prop: like It takes a lot to dumbfound me about the ineptness of American rugby, but fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: That was bad. Yeah. So, that happened. Another game happened too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Their game happened, yeah. and yeah that Since we're right there, since it happened right at the start of the game, that that burn red card. Now look,
Jarrod Dyke: Red card.
Grumpy Old Prop: for 20 minute red cards, even for like, you know I've said that, that they have to lower the standard for a red with a 20 minute red card. That was not a 20 minute red card.
Grumpy Old Prop: That was still a yellow in my opinion, at most.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: What the f- Anyway, I don't think it impacted the game as, um, that, that much, but maybe I'm wrong. It is long game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. No, it was, was dumb.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like there's, there's no way around it. Like, and it sounds like Brousset just totally shot the bed the whole way through anyway. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, he was not great.
Jarrod Dyke: I just, yeah. But Barrett's even come out and said, yeah, I will go to bat for a burn because that's not a red.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm just like, good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: i'm I'm glad to see that happening in the sport. At least it's, you know, the fellas understanding, you know, that, listen, it happened.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, because he doesn't want, if if anything, you don't want that to become the standard.
Jarrod Dyke: I couldn't do anything about it, but fuck.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then, you know, you lose a guy for something like that. Like that's that absolutely good call to to just to really say that because you you got to set the the line somewhere and it won't do any good if Ireland's the only one complaining.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. That's bad.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, oh but oh, and one thing before we go go too deep into the game. We saw the Haka. They focused almost solely on Cody Taylor the whole time during it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That is so JV.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's just amateur.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, that is so rookie.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like,
Jarrod Dyke: where's that commitment to rugby from NBC Sports now, Corbs? Please tell me, because I remember you telling me that many years ago, and I said it was a joke.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: and i And at this point, I'm going to give you a hint which which one of us looks more right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: It's me. Sorry. Like, you're supposed to be the expert. I'm supposed to be the fucking moron.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, well, I mean, he did fumble so...
Jarrod Dyke: There you go.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, my God.
Grumpy Old Prop: i the hitba s team of My by estimation of Korbs has gone way down of late.
Jarrod Dyke: How do you fumble that? How do you fumble that?
Grumpy Old Prop: So, sad.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah. Nope. Nope. um Anywho. ah I feel like, i think that's this is pretty much everyone's general opinion.
Jarrod Dyke: don't really just sat on it during that whole red card period, or during that whole period where they were where their where their tails were up.
Grumpy Old Prop: hey
Jarrod Dyke: It's like, yeah listen, you are you have the advantage. Press.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Keep going. Don't stop.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're right over there.
Jarrod Dyke: What are you doing?
Grumpy Old Prop: Go get them.
Jarrod Dyke: like, god damn dude you are right there like take advantage what are you doing and they just never really got out of their own way and i you know i crowley deservedly got the nod um i'm waiting to see which one of these tens performs well in green because hernergas has had flashes
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. It's not happening yet. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Crowley has had flashes, but they they need consistency. And yeah i on a one-to-one basis, you know comparing each attribute, I like Pendergast better.
Jarrod Dyke: But if he doesn't perform, then it doesn't fucking matter.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: try...
Grumpy Old Prop: Are they going to try Osborne there at all, or is that just not...
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Is that going to be like a pull-break glass in case of emergency thing?
Jarrod Dyke: ah no ah That's a break of glass. I mean, Frawley was the one that they've tried. It was the guy that they had stuck in there before.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's true.
Jarrod Dyke: think he's still hurt though. So that doesn't really do him any good. Yeah. And you know, here's the thing. And the other thing that I, this is New Zealand. You wanted to win this match. So you got to stick what's out, what you have out there. That's the best you got.
Jarrod Dyke: I think going forward, the rest of this, this autumn series, I don't think you need to see Jack Tony at number eight basically ever again. um James Ryan, same thing.
Jarrod Dyke: You can bin him for yeah the rest of eternity.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: And there's a few other guys you could probably chuck off the the bandwagon here.
Grumpy Old Prop: and um
Jarrod Dyke: i don't I love Bundy.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: I and don't think we need to see him again.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah he's he's reached that um oh shit who is he Tui from like three or four years ago Mano Tui yeah like yeah um and this one's gonna hurt
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah. Manu.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I've seen it elsewhere, too. So I know I'm not alone and in seeing it or thinking it. But it's James Lowe cooked.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he didn't look good
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, where was that? Remember, I mean, and yeah, that was.
Grumpy Old Prop: Shit, that's way too long ago. Fuck you. Time. um Heat shit time.
Jarrod Dyke: look good. Exactly.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But like that James Lowe, when he was hungry and he was after it and he was with you. took that the game against the kiwis personal and said this matt and yeah i feel like he's kind of gotten to that like i'm you know i brought up metallica earlier he's like late years metallica of yeah i don't really care anymore um
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: but
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. ah
Grumpy Old Prop: like we're just gonna phone it in is that how cool with everyone all right what's good with us too just you know Keep putting me out there and we'll have some fun. And that's that's kind of where he is.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that's a shame because rugby's played by the young and hungry. um And Lowe could still have that, but...
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, i think you're better off letting guys like Osborne, ah either O'Brien, know, a couple other guys that you know, potentials out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Is Calori Ireland qualified?
Jarrod Dyke: There's some, yeah, there's some.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I don't think anyone would let that happen anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: Probably not, but I'm just trying to think.
Jarrod Dyke: At least I hope they wouldn't. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause I remember, I do.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: i do remember a few years ago when we were talking about how there's, there's like no, nothing current and nothing apparently on the future for, for the locks for Ireland.
Grumpy Old Prop: It wasn't that long ago. Um, I think it was actually not this Lions tour.
Jarrod Dyke: well i yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Obviously, was the last Lions tour. So what, six years ago? And it's that lot's changed since then. um so But now I'm like, where are the wings for Ireland? who's Who you got?
Jarrod Dyke: let's see what they call into this team um bolton is a name that people are saying that's one
Grumpy Old Prop: Because Lowe and O'Brien are not really. O'Brien was all right. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, na I think Nash, if he can get healthy, he's he's another one.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That's another one that could be out there. um Yeah, like, you know, there's there's some, I really, and I think he's ah hurt right now, but Cormac is a Juco who needs time for this team.
Jarrod Dyke: And he will turn into something monstrous. Give him the time.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Now, we we don't need to see James. we We need to see James Ryan and Ian Henderson, although we didn't see Ian Henderson in this game.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, there's another one. Oh, Jesus. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: and It's so funny that we're at the...
Jarrod Dyke: Ahern. That's the other one.
Grumpy Old Prop: were take Oh, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That's another one. Ahern.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Thomas Ahern.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I heard.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Like, it's really funny that, we're you know, just bringing up that, though we're where are the where're the the future of the Ireland locks. And now we're like, okay, those guys that were the future, they're gone.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, they're they're the past now. Can we get these new guys in who we actually like to watch too? Like, that's kind of cool um that we're seeing that.
Jarrod Dyke: who
Grumpy Old Prop: But now it's like, yeah, get those guys in. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Again, I'd like to see their counterparts at wing get get a run because I'm not terribly impressed.
Jarrod Dyke: Like,
Jarrod Dyke: yeah, like start. And this is the criticism of Farrell and Farrell's never had a full international job. So this is going to be his test. Like you need to be able to move forward with your, your squad and not hang on to the guys for too long.
Jarrod Dyke: And we've said it before.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: chop them a year earlier than a year late and it'll still do you good and it's annoying and it's bothersome and it can hurt but you know a year later you're the one that's like yeah i feel good about it and everyone's like yeah that was a good call so that's both that idea and you know
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Like those endings never go well. It always sucks.
Jarrod Dyke: hmm always
Grumpy Old Prop: It always hurts.
Grumpy Old Prop: So it's like it's better to do that when a time when it makes the team better. So there you go. Take the take the pain when it's good. And now it's it's that time. So let's go.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because you're going to need a Hearn.
Jarrod Dyke: Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: You're going to need Cormac. You're going to need these guys in 27.
Jarrod Dyke: yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yep. Um, yeah, we'll see.
Grumpy Old Prop: You're not. Yeah. Like, like, look at, look at what their opponents did. Right. Like the guys that are on there is is Fabian Holland going to be starting or playing?
Jarrod Dyke: Fabian Holland. Wow.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Maybe like, you know,
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe. I mean, he's... i saw his name for the series earlier on this summer. And I was like, wow, really? And then he hasn't put a foot wrong.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm not saying he's done amazingly. But he's not put a foot wrong either. So I give him credit. that's a that's so Solidity will do you well.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: at this level, but you, get you also can't just rely on that. So, but you do have, and I think by he's hurt right now, but you do have the likes of him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: You do have the likes of, um, just a lot of good young talent that can, that is just coming out here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um trying to think Josh Lord. That was the one say who the hell came into this game, Josh Lord, you know, if he can stay healthy, that's, that's going to be only good for them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, Josh Lord.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And lots of good things. Um, they will miss, The two Barrett brothers that came off were going to definitely miss this coming week. I know that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But, like, two guys that played in this match. One from your guys, one from mine. And actually, two guys from yours and one from mine. Parker, Lockye, and Satiti.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: These are all fairly new names in New Zealand rugby in terms of wearing the black shirt.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah so yeah he's not done okay like he's not I don't like I i' like him i don't love him but no but like and honestly the they're to me they're the way that they ended the game that back row is their back row um
Jarrod Dyke: And they've been... really like parker was kind of ah another one of oh really but it's worked and he's done well um isnt
Jarrod Dyke: but he's not i mean he's not arty nobody's gonna be arty
Grumpy Old Prop: I would have luck high at at six with Satiti at eight and and just be like, yup, those are my guys.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, oh, yeah. oh yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: No problem.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, if that was the... if that Yeah, if that's their starting back row, your your eyes go out of their head like, ooh, this will be fun.
Grumpy Old Prop: And right. um And, you know, Parker's not bad. He's solid. You know, I'm not, he's not going to blow you out of the water, but he's also not going to like, but he's not going to be like,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, again, some of those... That's... It's... Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's not goingnna kill you. He's not going to like wow you. He's just going to be there.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And sometimes, fuck, you need that.
Jarrod Dyke: He's not... yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: that's That's quality at the international level.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he's not he's not the first name on the team sheet, but sometimes you're like, okay, this will do for today.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: It's not my ideal choice. It's not what I want, but it'll do for today. that's fine.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. I'm not going to cry about that about having to start him, but yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But then, yeah, they have.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And...
Grumpy Old Prop: and um
Jarrod Dyke: I think their struggles are going to be with the two shirt for a while. um Taylor's not young.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: Tonkiah is not getting any younger. And then so they have, I think, McAllister and Bell on this tour, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I'm making that up. um
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't remember.
Jarrod Dyke: we'll see how that yeah We'll see how that works out.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, that's right. I think Dewey's on this tour too. Good for him.
Jarrod Dyke: But they're, there're and you know, Leroy Carter has started a lot of games recently for them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: good yeah Again, good, you know, new guys. I'm really, i I have to say, as far as who should be wearing the center shirt next to Jordy when he's healthy, I think the right guy was wearing it this week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Quinn's been active.
Jarrod Dyke: and i love billy And I love Billy Proctor. I love Billy Proctor, and I think he should continue to get looks as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: But when healthy, both of these guys, that is a nightmare midfield.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, no thank you with a capital N-O. Like, wow.
Jarrod Dyke: I really like them all. So, I really like the two of them especially. But, yeah. Like, yeah. And then throw in Proctor and, you know, find Ganuku when he has his day. Like, yes. That's good.
Jarrod Dyke: And, yeah, stick Riko on the wing because that's where his best spot is right there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, pretty much.
Jarrod Dyke: So, yeah, there's that. Okay. Um...
Grumpy Old Prop: Or just don't play Riko at all. That's that's also acceptable.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you could do that too. That'd be okay. That'd be okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay. We got any superlatives for the week?
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, my try of the week was that, ah of course, I mean, it had to come from the the Scotland versus USA because there were just too many tries from that.
Jarrod Dyke: Fun ones.
Grumpy Old Prop: um but and And it's also my young player, so it goes hand in hand with that. um But Liam McConnell's little um
Jarrod Dyke: yeah who Yeah, especially on that team.
Grumpy Old Prop: little ah basketball pass to to Dewey. um Because like so much of it, because you know, like we all know that McConnell could have just run over everybody for a try.
Grumpy Old Prop: But yeah, there's so much more class in, and and it's like, I'm on debut. I want to, you know, I want to make that impression like that, that like show I'm a great player. And some guys just get it. Okay. Well, that means I score a try.
Grumpy Old Prop: you know, this is the opposite of this is what I was talking about when we're talking about not developing USA players. Cause Eagle player,
Jarrod Dyke: Oh,
Grumpy Old Prop: in that situation is going to be like, all right, well, my job is to run motherfuckers over. And you know what would happen there? They get shoved into touch. And instead, instead McConnell just said, we're going to score.
Jarrod Dyke: Tully.
Grumpy Old Prop: We're scoring this try. We, the team, we, um and, and just like, and even Dewey afterwards, like all he could do is be like, dude, that was, I can't believe you did.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like that's, that's, that's what you do when you're like, I'm on debut.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: And I'm also making sure that this is not my only, cap ever because that's a that that's it that's the kind of play that'll get you brought back on because no matter what happens you're gonna put them in a good position
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yep. Yeah, I know. I like to pick. like to pick for both. It's good stuff.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And my coach of the week is is Razor. Because fuck, dude, this is why we this is this is why we've been but you've been Ross and Rachel this whole time.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: oh um This is what we wanted to see.
Jarrod Dyke: A little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: So we're glad you guys finally got together.
Jarrod Dyke: Well done, guys. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: No referees.
Jarrod Dyke: So we'll see. the No, fuck that.
Grumpy Old Prop: None. Fuck you guys.
Jarrod Dyke: Jesus. No, no, no, no. Fuck that shit. So they go to, yeah, it's going quite a switch for Scotland coming up here. They go to Murray Field, the All Blacks 2.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: and then we'll see them, and then most'll they got one more England.
Grumpy Old Prop: Who does the US play this week? Nobody fucking cares.
Jarrod Dyke: It honestly doesn't matter.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um'm i'm I'm done with Lawrence. You know, he could get fired tomorrow, and I would be okay with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: I don't care that we qualified.
Grumpy Old Prop: Italy, uh...
Jarrod Dyke: We need someone that can actually develop players and not just worry about, I coached him at life where I coached him here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I coached them there. That doesn't fucking matter right now, dude.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: You need so much more than that. and And I'm almost, we're almost done. I promise. The coach of us rugby has to have a much bigger vision than what's going on with the current roster.
Jarrod Dyke: And maybe a couple of guys that are coming in and could, because we don't have the people ah and the, and the, you know,
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: the available resources, mostly, you know, bodies um that can help you with that. So you need to have the vision yourself. So it takes someone like, I'm sorry, this guy coached at life, big deal.
Jarrod Dyke: And ATL rugby, like, I think he got the job kind of, you know, Josh Smith style.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: not really, not, not really. And if you don't know who it is, then I'll let you, I'll let you YouTube him or, um or goggle it, whatever.
Grumpy Old Prop: You can always ask us. We are on on the socials. We'll tell but tell you
Jarrod Dyke: There's that too. There's that too. But anyway, um yeah, there's just gotta to be so much more and I'm just not impressed with him at at this point. Maybe he'll prove me wrong. And if he does great, I'll be the first one to take my mouth over it up and shove that foot in. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Fair enough. Okay, and that'll be that.
Jarrod Dyke: Officially, the window opens this week, so we will see much more international rugby, and hopefully we'll see some good stuff this week. Actually, I'm looking forward to Scott and the Zion. I'll be interested to see how that goes.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm looking forward to Italy, aust Australia, although I think that Australia is going snot them.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I think, oh, I think yesterday's to be mad. So, I think that being the kind of thing that's going to happen with that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, there's some some games that are going to be shit shows as well. You know, for South Africa should be, I think think it'll be entertaining, but it also has the potential to be one of those boring test matches, which you don't, which I'm hoping it isn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, potential, but hopefully not. to um Anyway, thanks for listening and letting us babble at you for a little bit. ah We appreciate you guys for listening. We'll catch you guys next week. Enjoy the rugby this weekend. Have a good one, everyone.
Grumpy Old Prop: Later.
Jarrod Dyke: Cheers.
