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Season 8- Episode 5- Late Metallica (November Internationals)
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It's two weeks running of those American rugby knuckleheads. On this episode, sadly it is more of the same as last week. Rugby (men's rugby) dying a slow painful death by 1000 papercuts, US rugby having their head stuck firmly up inside themselves and just plain sad. It's a bit og a long one, so buckle in, bring a drink and join us fam!
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Transcript
Introduction & Humorous Anecdotes
00:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:34
Jarrod Dyke
Let's go to it. This might be long, this might be short. This could go a lot of ways today. Just FYI, everyone.
00:00:41
Jarrod Dyke
Your guess is as good as mine. ah But in the meanwhile in the meantime, make sure that you find us on your favorite podcast app. Share, download, review, all that good stuff.
00:00:42
Grumpy Old Prop
I
00:00:55
Grumpy Old Prop
actually got the correct orange beer this weekend.
00:00:55
Jarrod Dyke
Feedback up.
00:00:58
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, you did? Good for you.
00:01:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, yeah.
00:01:00
Jarrod Dyke
You recognized. well you You fixed your mistake.
00:01:04
Grumpy Old Prop
I did fix the glitch.
00:01:09
Jarrod Dyke
Been trying to fix the lich for years.
00:01:09
Grumpy Old Prop
I was the glitch.
00:01:14
Jarrod Dyke
Something to about exists between keyboard and chair.
00:01:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's. Hey, that's Raya.
00:01:23
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm the problem.
00:01:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, you know.
00:01:26
Grumpy Old Prop
It's me.
00:01:28
Jarrod Dyke
it's me i the problem um anyway
00:01:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. that's that That's, I think what, the first and hopefully last Taylor Swift reference um on on the podcast.
00:01:37
Jarrod Dyke
yeah well you know yeah one to do worse um make sure that you find our find and buy our good friend george the fancy ru rugby geek a coffee or beer
00:01:39
Grumpy Old Prop
but Maybe, you never know. You could.
00:01:50
Jarrod Dyke
Obviously, we are sans fantasy stuff right now, unless you're playing the French game, which is a possibility, but we don't do that. But he's at least got something going for that.
00:02:00
Jarrod Dyke
So um
00:02:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:02:03
Jarrod Dyke
make sure that you buy that man a beer because he's busy in just the same. And um big ups to Aiden for doing the doing the thing he's doing with the Autumn Nations. Appreciate that that that that is a humongous pain in the ass, but he's doing it for the benefit of everyone else. So I respect you, sir.
00:02:24
Jarrod Dyke
All right.
U.S. Election Discussions
00:02:25
Jarrod Dyke
um There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life.
00:02:32
Jarrod Dyke
Big day tomorrow here in the U.S. It's election day.
00:02:37
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah, we get to vote technically. um No, it's yeah. I don't even think I get to, I don't have anything to vote for, so I'm out. But um no, no, because we we get our ballots and we never, we haven't.
00:02:46
Jarrod Dyke
Really? No like no like questions or anything out there? Weird.
00:02:53
Grumpy Old Prop
So um like if we don't have anything, we just don't have anything.
00:02:56
Jarrod Dyke
Wow.
00:02:58
Grumpy Old Prop
I know, I'm like, I'll have to check, but I'm fairly certain there is literally nothing to vote for in Hopkinson, in my particular town.
00:03:04
Jarrod Dyke
That is nuts. That is nuts.
00:03:07
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:03:07
Jarrod Dyke
there's so There's always so much to vote for in Boston, Brookline, you know that needham Newton, that general area.
00:03:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:03:14
Jarrod Dyke
So that's wild.
00:03:15
Grumpy Old Prop
I'll have to i'll the check, but there's like nothing on town. Like there's not even like elect someone to be like, I think our elections were during the primary.
00:03:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that I mean, the mayor here.
00:03:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Like the national, like the, yeah. Like ah think we had a lot of stuff.
00:03:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:03:30
Grumpy Old Prop
We already voted once this year for, for like local stuff. So I think that was it. it's not even signs up for like vote for me for a school board or something like that.
00:03:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Okay.
00:03:38
Grumpy Old Prop
That was all months ago.
00:03:38
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, wow. Okay. Interesting. Well, yeah.
00:03:41
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, the primaries, the primary here was solved with with um the mayor the mayor race. just Yeah, Michelle would just wipe the floor with everyone, which was amazing.
00:03:41
Grumpy Old Prop
But either way,
00:03:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. Which is awesome. Oh, she's, she's, so I am, I'm so sad that I didn't vote for her, but at the same time she won anyway. So, um, I didn't, and I didn't vote for it because I moved out of Boston.
00:04:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, let's say let's let's let's clarify. Ben didn't get chance to vote for her.
00:04:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, it like, right, right.
00:04:06
Grumpy Old Prop
That's what I'm sad about. Cause like, and I, I think I legally could have, but I was no longer a resident. So I didn't, um,
00:04:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:04:16
Grumpy Old Prop
But ah no, she's great. And then, of course, we have thats kind of a similar situation in Zoran Mamdani down in ah um New York.
00:04:24
Jarrod Dyke
New York.
00:04:26
Jarrod Dyke
little more intense down there.
00:04:26
Grumpy Old Prop
It's hilarious.
00:04:27
Grumpy Old Prop
It's hilarious. Donald Trump. came out and said, yeah, Cuomo is my candidate. he's So the election, for those who don't know, um, Zoran Mamdani won on, Hey, let's make New York a place people can afford to live. We lose too many people.
00:04:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and there's too much kind of suckiness going on. So let's, let's make things better. Um, and no, no, no actual, and with good ideas like, um, city run grocery stores, which, um,
00:04:58
Grumpy Old Prop
really needs to work out because that's, I mean, that's a fantastic idea. We have, you know, state run Packies down. we They call them Packies up here, but basically everything in like Pennsylvania is a state. They call it a state store. If you're going to get wine and beer or anything, it's a state store because the state owns it.
00:05:12
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, got
00:05:14
Grumpy Old Prop
um Or the state owns all the distribution, at least they might not own the stores, but they basically set prices. And
00:05:23
Grumpy Old Prop
and And they are state run, I guess. and But like this is state run, you know, a city run grocery store. Like they're, you know, what it's trying to provide a service. Like people don't understand that government can actually provide service to people.
00:05:36
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not just about, um you know, punishing them and like, and, and um protecting the the wealthy.
00:05:40
Jarrod Dyke
you. Mmm.
00:05:44
Grumpy Old Prop
It can also actually exist to to help people like the post office did and ah libraries and stuff like that. And, you know, Momdani is trying to, and um public transit, which should be free. um everywhere that's kind of the whole point of public transit um and like he's trying to be like this is crazy it's like shut the like unbelievably stupid stuff um but anyway cuomo is one of the other candidates he's a former democratic he's the former governor of new york state and um killed a lot of people during covid took a lot of credit for doing an awesome job during covid um
00:05:57
Jarrod Dyke
Man. Yeah.
00:06:01
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:06:21
Grumpy Old Prop
And also sexually assaulted at least 13 women. And of course he was like the centrist Democrat thing and and ah candidate. And there's lots of people who are saying, you know, he's kind of being a little Islamophobic and and it's, it's been pretty fucking gross.
00:06:36
Grumpy Old Prop
And then there's Curtis Silva, who is the fucking basically a fascist Nazi who's insane. So nobody's voting for him either. And it's like, but the fact that like Silva and Cuomo are like, that's who we normally get.
00:06:52
Grumpy Old Prop
And they're both being like kind of actually, if the funny thing is Silva's actually a lot cooler towards Mom Donnie.
00:06:52
Jarrod Dyke
It's wild.
00:06:59
Grumpy Old Prop
He's like, yeah, he's got some good ideas, actually. I just i would never do them, but they seem to be neat or something like that. Like he's actually, he certainly likes him more than he likes Cuomo as far like as like as a human being.
00:07:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Like I see his point, but I fucking oppose everything he stands for.
00:07:09
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:07:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's, you know there's respect there. It's not like this guy who's like, that guy's a fucking creep ball who sucks. Like, yes, he is. Everybody can see that.
00:07:19
Jarrod Dyke
yes yes
00:07:20
Grumpy Old Prop
um But yeah, it's just, I mean, Momdani is going to win going away, but it's just kind of crazy how even like democratic leadership can't come.
00:07:32
Grumpy Old Prop
ah They can't like come out of their own shit to endorse him. They're like, no, we don't like him. It's like, dude, everybody loves him. The people love him because like, yes, these things should be services. They should be free to to use that and a lot more.
00:07:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and we can do it by getting billionaires to pay their fair share, which is also fair. Um,
00:07:56
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah.
00:07:56
Jarrod Dyke
No, I mean, let's be honest. you You don't earn a billion. You steal a billion.
00:08:01
Jarrod Dyke
Oh,
00:08:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:08:03
Grumpy Old Prop
You can't do it ethically. It's not, it's impossible. Um, you're, you're exploiting like somebody got exploited for you to get that. And, um,
00:08:11
Jarrod Dyke
out totally.
00:08:14
Grumpy Old Prop
And so, yeah, but then pay your fair share back. Like, help the exploited people recover from what you did to them.
Economic and Social Concerns
00:08:20
Jarrod Dyke
Because that makes sense, right?
00:08:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, also, since we're we're on it, and again, sorry, this is going a little long, but it's going to be a short pod so we can lengthen this segment a little bit, but They've cut SNAP benefits, which is, again, people who need food.
00:08:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And not only that, but as I said last week, like so many like, you know, Walmart workers use you SNAP to to make ends meet because Walmart doesn't pay him enough to live.
00:08:37
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:08:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:08:46
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:08:49
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, there that's that's it's not a good situation to be in. um Oh, and we might have ah TSA workers basically walking off the job and shut down air travel.
00:09:01
Grumpy Old Prop
you know And and in we're only, what, three weeks away from Thanksgiving? Which is, um if you also if you're unfamiliar, the the busiest air travel holiday like ever in the US.
00:09:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I i mean,
00:09:15
Grumpy Old Prop
It's ridiculous. Have you ever flown anywhere for Thanksgiving?
00:09:19
Jarrod Dyke
thank God, no. And I was i was telling one of my clients this, like, I do not envy people that really, that have to do it.
00:09:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:28
Jarrod Dyke
And I and like i choose not to, and i don't I've never had to.
00:09:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:09:31
Jarrod Dyke
And I have that that that luxury, that privilege. I feel terrible for the people that have to cram this in. They have to get on a plane Tuesday night or early Wednesday morning, and then they're back Monday.
00:09:42
Jarrod Dyke
you know Sunday night. And was like, and if you, if, oh, Sunday's hands down the worse.
00:09:42
Grumpy Old Prop
h
00:09:44
Grumpy Old Prop
and that sunday is the worst
00:09:48
Jarrod Dyke
um And if you're, if you're, if something is delayed or late or whatever, your we your whole Thanksgiving and weekend is fucked and it sucks.
00:09:54
Grumpy Old Prop
no
00:09:59
Grumpy Old Prop
and they're already seeing long lines because oh you know with the government shutdown all these tsa agents aren't getting paid. So they're just like, yeah, I'm sick today. Like, yep.
00:10:08
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Don't blame him.
00:10:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I'm not coming in. Um, which also awesome for them, but at the same time, mean, not awesome for them. They have to work without getting paid. They will get paid in the long run, but fuck.
00:10:23
Grumpy Old Prop
I do. I do that. Um, and also their TSA agent, and we don't need them anyway, but still they're human beings and you know, they have the job that they have.
00:10:25
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:10:32
Grumpy Old Prop
And, um, and also the, hu what is it? The the um traffic controllers the same way. Like they might not, they might like, you're going to tell me people are going to be hungry, not able to travel or see their family over Thanksgiving.
00:10:39
Jarrod Dyke
a
00:10:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Like lots of shit is happening in this country that um it's going to get bad.
00:10:49
Jarrod Dyke
Bad things are going to go worse, honestly.
00:10:53
Grumpy Old Prop
um Like I swear it's, it's not going to say there's, you know, there's been angry people here. Like it's felt just angry for 10 years.
00:11:03
Jarrod Dyke
This going to worse.
00:11:03
Grumpy Old Prop
And just everybody's angry already.
00:11:06
Grumpy Old Prop
And like, so you see people, you already see people just, you know, losing their shit more at each other, just in general in life. You're like, yep. Okay. That person's losing their shit. Okay. I get, we, I've been there, buddy. I get it. Like there's, there's not, there's not much of like, wow, that guy needs to get control of himself. It's no, guys have that's his day to have that.
00:11:23
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:11:23
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:11:25
Grumpy Old Prop
What scares me is that that day, some, you know
00:11:31
Grumpy Old Prop
like right now i just i feel very much like that end montage for v for vendetta when the police captain is like oh i can see everything that's gonna happen someone's gonna do something stupid i remember that was like the first thing and and it's like yeah that this one of their ice agent kind of it's gonna shoot it shoots a little innocent girl um
00:11:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, right.
00:11:55
Grumpy Old Prop
and it's like If they that's going to happen or the opposite going happen. Somebody is going to be like, you know what? I'm, I'm done with these ice motherfuckers. I'm going to take one out.
00:12:06
Jarrod Dyke
yeah right
00:12:06
Grumpy Old Prop
And so one, somebody, somebody is going to do something stupid.
00:12:10
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm, I'm, I think that's going to be the latter. Although ice has already shot a couple of people. So who knows? um Yeah. Shit's going to go down here.
00:12:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:12:20
Grumpy Old Prop
So fun.
00:12:21
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, not good.
00:12:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Can't wait.
00:12:26
Jarrod Dyke
Oof.
00:12:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, so don't travel on Thanksgiving. just don't be Look, if for if you were in town for Ireland, New Zealand, if you're in the country for that, cool. Enjoy yourself. Get the fuck out now.
00:12:38
Jarrod Dyke
Go.
00:12:39
Grumpy Old Prop
like if you you have a If you came from Ireland and New Zealand, just just get out.
00:12:39
Jarrod Dyke
Get out now. Get out of here.
00:12:43
Grumpy Old Prop
and It's time to go. Like, for for you.
00:12:45
Jarrod Dyke
Go to Canada, even.
00:12:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Love you guys. Thank you so much for coming. I hope you enjoyed yourself. um Please get home safely and as quickly as possible.
00:12:54
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, I will...
00:12:57
Jarrod Dyke
I'll read something from our our old friend Bill when we get to that game.
00:13:03
Jarrod Dyke
It's... There's no bueno.
00:13:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Was he there? Okay.
00:13:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:13:09
Grumpy Old Prop
I've heard it was a general shit show, but...
00:13:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Game was too...
Supporters & Exclusive Content
00:13:14
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:13:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:13:15
Jarrod Dyke
And then make then grab our Patreon if you wish wish to support us. Those of you that are on the Patreon will soon be have access to the the sheet for both Superbrew and Draft 15.
00:13:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:13:28
Jarrod Dyke
And we appreciate you guys that do support us. And even those that think about it and just can't, and that's that's fine too. We appreciate that as well.
00:13:34
Grumpy Old Prop
that's That's cool too.
00:13:36
Jarrod Dyke
That happens.
00:13:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep. Once it comes out, if you yeah again, if you have questions, um I know we post the sheet a little close to to business time, but um yeah, whatever. If you if you have questions, like reach out.
00:13:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Message.
00:13:49
Grumpy Old Prop
we can we like We've been known to leak information from those you know the Patreon stuff to people who ask politely.
00:13:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yes. Yeah. Yep.
00:13:57
Grumpy Old Prop
And not like the whole thing, but like, hey, i'm I'm looking at these two players. Okay, well, here's what you got.
00:14:02
Jarrod Dyke
yeah yep All right. Um,
00:14:07
Jarrod Dyke
I didn't watch this one. I was, i had, we had company and I started working on my project and what I understood, this was not worth a a bit.
00:14:20
Jarrod Dyke
So, you know.
00:14:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Really, I found it boring for the most part. And like even the second half was kind of cool, but at the same time, like you kind of waited around for something neat to happen.
00:14:32
Grumpy Old Prop
i will say this. England scored Earl Pollock, Mitchell, Cowan Dickey, four tries there. um Ford didn't touch the ball in the lead up to any single one of the four.
00:14:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Just putting that out there. Oh, and he didn't.
00:14:48
Jarrod Dyke
There's that.
00:14:49
Grumpy Old Prop
He got he got one penalty kick. Oh, and a... um No, he didn't. He converted Earl's try, but that was like under the post. so But he missed some some easy ones, too, in the second half. um
00:15:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Earl's try was awesome. It was a ah highball from Mitchell that ah um Freeman... took on basically on the run popped it off to underhill who popped it off to earl and because underhill's like i'm fast but dude you you this is y'all you bud um and and and he just outraced everybody it was like yeah turn on the afterburners dude i i can't pace you so um
00:15:21
Jarrod Dyke
You know where the triline is usually. Here you go.
00:15:30
Jarrod Dyke
well and Remember when he was thought of as just ah just a flash player, Earl?
00:15:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, oh which i didn't I didn't get from the start, but yes.
00:15:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and he's...
00:15:43
Grumpy Old Prop
but You know, someone like Henry Pollack has seen now, which...
00:15:48
Jarrod Dyke
And he'll be the next Earl.
00:15:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway.
00:15:49
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:15:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:52
Jarrod Dyke
Most consistent forward for England, namely someone that's that's even at Earl's level. I'm not saying there aren't others that are close, but there's nobody better, for sure.
00:16:07
Grumpy Old Prop
No, there's nobody. but Like, that's the thing.
00:16:08
Jarrod Dyke
It's sort of...
00:16:09
Grumpy Old Prop
He's as good as any of them, and there's nobody better. Like...
00:16:11
Jarrod Dyke
Right. And i don' i think he's up there on his own in terms of consistency. And um I'm not saying there aren't others that are in ah in a similar tier.
00:16:20
Grumpy Old Prop
who and Especially from the eight position.
00:16:20
Jarrod Dyke
But in terms of, like, who's number one in consistency, it's got to be Earl.
00:16:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Especially from the eight position.
00:16:27
Jarrod Dyke
and all Yeah.
00:16:28
Grumpy Old Prop
mean, who else are going to throw out there? Callum Chick? Alex Dombrant?
00:16:32
Jarrod Dyke
God, no.
00:16:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Who are... Oh, my.
00:16:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I mean, Dom's...
00:16:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Am I going to say it? they're there they're They're almost the same player now. Oh, fuck.
00:16:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, right.
00:16:43
Grumpy Old Prop
i thought it, and I had to say it. and I
00:16:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Dom's falling a little bit, to say the least.
00:16:49
Grumpy Old Prop
i don't like it, but Dom, I don't know what the fuck, dude.
00:16:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I think the coaching situation at Quinn's is harming him to a point. i don't think it's the only thing that's harming him.
00:16:58
Grumpy Old Prop
i
00:16:59
Jarrod Dyke
with let Let me clarify that.
00:17:00
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not. Yeah. I don't know. He kind of shriveled.
00:17:03
Jarrod Dyke
It's not doing any favors by any means.
00:17:05
Grumpy Old Prop
It sucks. Yeah.
00:17:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it sucks. ah Kind shittiness being done by England, though.
00:17:09
Grumpy Old Prop
But Pollock...
00:17:11
Jarrod Dyke
not letting Not releasing Hooper, Icky, or O'Connor.
00:17:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. that That was kind of it. That was a total dick move. um I would have liked to see Skelton in this match too.
00:17:21
Jarrod Dyke
Like, really?
00:17:22
Grumpy Old Prop
But... Yeah.
00:17:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Fran's not releasing him either.
00:17:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Play your best. Or play the best. um you know like or play the best and what What do you...
00:17:33
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, did Tom Hooper really scare you that much? Like, come on, man.
00:17:34
Grumpy Old Prop
i mean
00:17:36
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah seriously um And ultimately, I mean, you look at though the the way, especially those two, the the England's first two tries were, they were basically almost carbon copies with a back three member going up for a high ball and then tipping it back to um or or passing, you know, popping it, what either, you know, kind of one of both.
00:17:59
Grumpy Old Prop
um And then a loose forward scooping it up running the distance. Like, is that really what you're basing your attack on too? Like,
00:18:08
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:18:11
Grumpy Old Prop
That sucks. That's just, it's so ass. You've got these great, like, this this is why I don't like Test Rugby, because, like, yeah, those two moments were fun.
00:18:23
Grumpy Old Prop
But that's
00:18:26
Jarrod Dyke
The rest of it between it is kind of meh.
00:18:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right. Yeah. right um
00:18:31
Jarrod Dyke
So to kind of put things a little bit into perspective, and um so I don't know if this reflected well or not, George Ford had seven kicks and 12 passes.
00:18:33
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:18:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Nine total touches, or sorry, 19 total touches from your fly half. He played, hold on, how many minutes did he play?
00:18:55
Jarrod Dyke
Don't know.
00:18:57
Grumpy Old Prop
um'm I'm getting there. He came out 72 minutes.
00:19:01
Jarrod Dyke
Wow.
00:19:04
Jarrod Dyke
Huh.
Critique of England's Rugby Game
00:19:05
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, in, if, yeah, I, and I know, I know Mitchell probably kicked the most.
00:19:05
Grumpy Old Prop
72 minutes and he touched the ball 19 times.
00:19:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Why the fuck is he out there?
00:19:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Mitchell and Gordon both kicked the most.
00:19:12
Grumpy Old Prop
mean, he may have had a run too, but.
00:19:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but...
00:19:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Let me look. Hold on.
00:19:20
Jarrod Dyke
He had five.
00:19:20
Grumpy Old Prop
how many How many carries did he have?
00:19:25
Jarrod Dyke
five ah twenty four touches So
00:19:28
Grumpy Old Prop
So 24 touches.
00:19:33
Grumpy Old Prop
In 72 minutes. i That's a touch every three minutes. Oh, sorry. Yeah.
00:19:40
Grumpy Old Prop
That scares me how I did that math. But... um
00:19:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Still, that's that's it? Once every three minutes you touch the ball at 10? I'm sorry. He's purely decoration at that point.
00:19:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I mean, by the numbers, comparing just comparing his opposite, Edmund had six carries. I know he had more passes. he had a lot more passes. He had 24 passes, so he touched the ball quite a bit.
00:20:09
Jarrod Dyke
and that And that could be also from him being the... Either one of them could be from moments in the backfield returning kicks.
00:20:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Could be.
00:20:17
Jarrod Dyke
And Edmund had four kicks.
00:20:21
Jarrod Dyke
So ah Australia's intent by the numbers is there.
00:20:26
Jarrod Dyke
Their accuracy and their quality is probably what bit them in the end. And, you know, let's face it, England has... the most quality in the world minus South Africa and New Zealand, maybe, but that's it.
00:20:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:20:40
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe France.
00:20:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right now, yeah. Yeah.
00:20:41
Jarrod Dyke
um So it says, yeah I mean, it's the lack of quality in Australia. And yeah, I mean, if I was, ah know, I mean, if I was in Australia, the number one person that you'd want out there is probably Tom Lina because he's the perfect blend of the future, but also probably your best player um with O'Connor backing him up off the bench with a five three split, not a 6-2 split. Thank you very much.
00:21:13
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah, I... don Yeah.
00:21:17
Grumpy Old Prop
oh and and one more thing i want to go back to england for is i want to talk about the disparity between again i mentioned him underhill being able to to hit earl um
00:21:26
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:21:29
Grumpy Old Prop
And then, I mean, he was also, you know, ah say a 700 on defense too, which is always fun to watch. But like, want to point to the, the everybody's like, I don't know.
00:21:42
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know why Tom Curry is is again so so well thought of. I know he's he's okay, but like the two splash plays that I saw him make was one when he smushed Tay and Ed Bed, who for some reason was just not paying attention.
00:21:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um back in the in the back, like, after he was helping field a kick.
00:21:57
Jarrod Dyke
Hello.
00:22:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I guess he yeah he was in the midfield option to to kick it away, I believe. And he just fucking held it. And, like, here comes... Tom Curry just running and running him down.
00:22:11
Jarrod Dyke
clock in his head was not going fast enough.
00:22:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. No, the clock was off. Like, like off, off as in not on.
00:22:17
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:22:19
Grumpy Old Prop
um And he ah yeah. And but like Curry kind of smooshed him over the top. He didn't cut him in half, which he should have done.
00:22:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Like as a as a if you're a, you know, a hard forward who's wants to make an impact. and you're charging down a 10 who's just stagnant, cut him in half. Don't like do the the belly flop on it. It was i mean it could it was one of those, like he was he was high, but it wasn't a high tackle kind of thing. I don't know how to describe it.
00:22:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I get what you mean.
00:22:48
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:22:51
Grumpy Old Prop
But not not good. Not good form at all. And then...
00:22:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, more or less chest to chest.
00:22:56
Grumpy Old Prop
and Yeah. And then... um and like Edmund was like turtling at that point. So it was like more like his shoulder to... curry's belly almost um and uh and then the the pass off to to chesom who that went like two meters behind him um when chesom was through and it's like what the fuck that guy i i don't know how he gets out there like i i get it that he hits hard but again
00:23:07
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:23:16
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, Jesus.
00:23:27
Grumpy Old Prop
That's why I liked Underhill there.
00:23:27
Jarrod Dyke
Big deal.
00:23:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I actually liked their their back three in this in this case, how they how they did it, except for, like, if you took Tom Curry off of that bench and put another back on there, that's a perfect lineup.
00:23:40
Grumpy Old Prop
And then also put one of the Smiths at 10.
00:23:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:23:44
Grumpy Old Prop
To me, that's a ah perfect lineup.
00:23:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:23:48
Jarrod Dyke
Who are they playing this week?
00:23:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And they are playing...
00:23:54
Grumpy Old Prop
um so that's next weekend. Fiji.
00:23:58
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, jeez. Yeah, this will be a very changed team, I have a feeling.
00:24:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:24:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I... you know
00:24:10
Jarrod Dyke
I mean...
00:24:11
Grumpy Old Prop
But I mean, I'll show you, and I do want to see that, that Australia, like, not Aussie's worst team, but certainly not their best.
00:24:19
Jarrod Dyke
No, it wasn't their best.
00:24:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:24:21
Jarrod Dyke
I know Potter did well in this game, but more or less, he's still not quite what you want, but i I'm imagining that there's not... I mean, you had Dagonia on the bench, I would probably put him in before but before Potter, and this is is is where Josh McKindle loses me a little bit.
00:24:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:38
Jarrod Dyke
and And just...
00:24:38
Grumpy Old Prop
But he's also like these games, these games don't mean too, too much.
00:24:42
Grumpy Old Prop
And he's already seen his guys from the lion series. So I like that. He's, he's getting some new players involved too.
00:24:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm more than happy with that. I'm more than happy with that, but yeah.
00:24:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, you know, Jake Gordon.
00:25:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Should have given Lonergan a little bit more run.
00:25:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I think so.
00:25:07
Jarrod Dyke
You know, just let him, let let's see what he has. And people can change for good or for worse.
00:25:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:25:14
Jarrod Dyke
um When they get onto the test, the test stage.
00:25:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:25:19
Jarrod Dyke
So I think it would be interesting to see
00:25:24
Jarrod Dyke
you what Lonegan does. And I know he's played a little bit, but not that much, honestly.
00:25:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:25:29
Jarrod Dyke
I think he's got like 10-ish caps. but So you could use a few more if you're going to... And I would still say, while I like Jake Gordon and have preferred him to likes of Nick White, I'd still say Tate's their best.
00:25:47
Jarrod Dyke
And...
00:25:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:25:48
Jarrod Dyke
that And I know he's but he's hurt, so that's not helpful at the moment.
00:25:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:25:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. What you to
00:25:53
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, you've got to figure out something else because you've only got four Super Rugby franchises.
00:25:58
Jarrod Dyke
So you've got to find it, man.
00:25:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:26:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:26:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah,
00:26:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Hell, we have more US MLR franchises than that.
00:26:02
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:26:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Still.
00:26:06
Jarrod Dyke
yeah but I'd still take any one of those players for the most part.
00:26:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Almost. Oh, yeah, of course.
00:26:12
Jarrod Dyke
um And then...
00:26:16
Jarrod Dyke
Was this Pepper's second or third game? Because he played a little bit this summer.
00:26:23
Jarrod Dyke
And sadly, he's...
00:26:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:26:24
Grumpy Old Prop
there
00:26:30
Jarrod Dyke
Everyone is like giving big ups to him because... he because ah And this is the problem that we have. Because of all the tackles he made.
00:26:40
Jarrod Dyke
That shouldn't be the emphasis if we're going to move this game forward.
00:26:45
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:26:46
Jarrod Dyke
there's no way There's no way to split it here, guys. like If that's the emphasis for a fairly young player, like they have to tackle and fuck attacking ever.
State of Test Rugby
00:26:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, they scored four tries, but this is not a good Australia team. I think we all can admit that.
00:27:02
Jarrod Dyke
and yeah um Sounds like they kind of scored them a little bit in their sleep. So it's...
00:27:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:27:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Oh, he only had three carries.
00:27:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, if...
00:27:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he had a total of two meters.
00:27:13
Grumpy Old Prop
come on, man.
00:27:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Ugh.
00:27:18
Jarrod Dyke
Like, and we, we know he can attack.
00:27:21
Jarrod Dyke
So, which tells me, which tells me it's coming from Borthwick or whoever the attack coach is, depending on, probably both if we're honest.
00:27:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:31
Jarrod Dyke
um And that is killing the sport for the men. It's killing test rugby, number one. But number two, it's just going to kill the sport in general if that's where we're going. Like, this is not,
00:27:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:27:47
Jarrod Dyke
Like we were, cause we were in the, I was in the gym today and one the kids asked me like any good games this weekend? I was like, Island, New Zealand, maybe that's it.
00:27:58
Jarrod Dyke
And they were just like, I was just like, yeah, if you want, if you want to see points, yes.
00:27:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:28:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I mean, Scotland, scotland USA.
00:28:04
Jarrod Dyke
But and they all went one direction.
00:28:06
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah. that
00:28:07
Jarrod Dyke
We'll talk about that in a second.
00:28:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:28:10
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:28:12
Grumpy Old Prop
No, but that's what I mean.
00:28:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:28:13
Grumpy Old Prop
That's kind of what i was saying last week. Like test rugby is not it's it's not fun.
00:28:19
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:28:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Like is this like it's the highest level of competition. Yeah, it's got the best players. I'll give you that. It's got great players. You know what I'd like to see them do play rugby.
00:28:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Instead of these coaches that are worried about losing.
00:28:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Like it.
00:28:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Play. See what happens. That's it. I mean, that's what that's what New Zealand did.
00:28:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:28:46
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:28:46
Grumpy Old Prop
How they do again.
00:28:49
Jarrod Dyke
Pretty sure it came on the right side of it. We'll talk about that in little bit too.
00:28:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, like try something. Don't just be like, OK, we're in we're middle of the field. So one crash and then kick so we can we can play down there. And it's like. You know, you can carry it down there, too.
00:29:04
Jarrod Dyke
You can. and like and and And for me, like one crash is at least too too too too few.
00:29:10
Grumpy Old Prop
That's it.
00:29:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like, try something.
00:29:14
Jarrod Dyke
At the minimum.
00:29:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Just try it. What's what's what's ah you know the worst that's going to happen?
00:29:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:29:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, we turned it over right here. Okay. Then fix your shit. like ah I mean, to be fair, there were a lot of penalties and in Australia, England, because they were getting like they were getting out of their structure so much. It was really like they had some good go-forward rugby at times.
00:29:38
Grumpy Old Prop
But then they would just get themselves isolated. Like it wasn't even it was not well played. Let's put it that way. Like yeah there were it was like well played to the point.
00:29:43
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:29:45
Grumpy Old Prop
And then they just forgot to be like, oh, wait, no, no, no. Let's play good rugby.
00:29:48
Jarrod Dyke
Oops. Mm-hmm.
00:29:50
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like what I tell my my boys a lot is like.
00:29:50
Jarrod Dyke
hos
00:29:54
Grumpy Old Prop
The structure is there to kind of tell you where to be and in certain circumstances. But yes, at times it's got to break down. You go for for for distance or you go for points for a try.
00:30:09
Grumpy Old Prop
But then it's it's how quickly can you get back into the structure? And both these teams are just like, eh, fuck getting back into the structure. Let's just play. And then penalty because they would be holding on to the bottom of the ruck because there'd be no ruck support.
00:30:20
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:30:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, great, you got 20 meters.
00:30:22
Jarrod Dyke
There was...
00:30:25
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, rather than, you know, you could have done that in 10 more phases instead of three and then lost the ball.
00:30:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:33
Jarrod Dyke
no Yeah, there's a point to it, you know? you Yeah, if you attack willy-nilly like a fucking idiot, then, yeah, you will turn it over. But if you stay within yourselves and your structure and your, you know, and yeah, and yeah you're going to have to try some things, but, like, just don't totally throw the whole thing out the window.
00:30:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:30:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Don't lose your shape.
00:30:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:30:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:30:55
Jarrod Dyke
ah um Fucking...
00:30:56
Grumpy Old Prop
don't Don't throw the last pass the last pass. Just hold on to that. Get back into the shape.
00:31:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:31:03
Jarrod Dyke
last thing and then we'll get on the goddamn thing here um every coach is allowed to talk to talk about to the referee beforehand Bortho went into Australia's ruck entries and i was like uh you do understand that people like Curry and Underhill live on shithousery right like they're gonna be all about that Cowan Dickey too um
00:31:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:31:31
Jarrod Dyke
You have guys that live on that. Why are you pointing that out? Because now he's going to look for it for both directions.
00:31:38
Jarrod Dyke
You're a moron. Like, i don't have a, and I continue to just lose space faith every, and know I'm not probably the only one and I'm the outlier here, but continue to lose faith in Bartho over time here. I don't see, as it stands right now, in two years' time, England will not, I don't even know if they'll make the semifinals.
00:31:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:32:00
Jarrod Dyke
They'll probably make the semifinal by the skin of their teeth as they did last time, but they'll get schwacked in the and the semifinal and play the third place game, which they may lose.
00:32:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I, I think there's just, um, I think as a coach, he's just a guy.
00:32:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I don't think he, he, I don't think he detracts from this team.
00:32:20
Jarrod Dyke
think that's a fair assessment.
00:32:23
Grumpy Old Prop
And I think in a lot of ways he helps them. Cause I think, you know, I think his, his selection is getting better you know for notwithstanding in the six to notwithstanding, but like, you know, he he makes mistakes.
00:32:31
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:32:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:32:36
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, as a tactician, I think he's poor. And i I, as a, um from the Belichickian point of view of, A, I'm going to take away your team's, you know, the the standard.
00:32:41
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:32:52
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going to away your team's greatest threat, make you beat us with your your C guy um or D.
00:33:00
Grumpy Old Prop
And I'm going to use the rule all the rules to my advantage. It's just non-existent with him.
00:33:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:33:10
Grumpy Old Prop
And ah the to me, that's like the standard of coaching now is is you have to do certain things to help your team. And I'm always with Bortho going to come back to that game against Bristol with the the um John Afoa incident.
00:33:25
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:33:27
Grumpy Old Prop
What a fucking idiot. I can't believe he was that fucking dumb. Um, and, and that's, that's one of those always going to be when, know, your first impression is the lasting one.
00:33:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:33:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And then that's always going to be my real first impression of him as a coach. Like, what do you have as a coach? Oh, I'm going to, I have two options. One where they, they go down to 13 and I have an uncontested scrum or the other one where I bully John Afoa into coming onto a game for the deciding scrum.
00:33:57
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:33:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:34:00
Grumpy Old Prop
just Just think about what the the the two differences there in this scenario and what it would take to do the second.
00:34:05
Jarrod Dyke
Nope. Yeah.
00:34:08
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, it's not that's not coaching. that's that's I'm going to shut up. And yep, he can't play anymore. Okay, cool. We'll go down uncontested.
00:34:17
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:34:18
Grumpy Old Prop
That's fine by me. You still got to bring somebody on and they still got, so we're still going to go against, you know, seven against five in the back. So yes, please.
00:34:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, right?
00:34:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Like on the goal line, like on the five meter line.
00:34:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, because you still have to put 8 in the scrum.
00:34:32
Grumpy Old Prop
the Fuck. What the fuck? I didn't even put that in in the the context of it, too.
00:34:39
Grumpy Old Prop
John Afoa gets up. Fuck you. i'm going to shove it right up your ass and win that penalty. And guess what he did?
00:34:43
Jarrod Dyke
a
00:34:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Guess what he did?
00:34:46
Jarrod Dyke
Exactly that.
00:34:49
Jarrod Dyke
Exactly that.
00:34:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Because he's John motherfucking Afoa and you don't poke that bear.
00:34:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway, sorry. i like I also like telling that story because that's...
00:34:57
Jarrod Dyke
Nope, that's...
00:34:59
Grumpy Old Prop
ah there's no there's There's almost like no coming back from that.
00:35:02
Jarrod Dyke
It's a thing of legends.
00:35:04
Grumpy Old Prop
So that's when you're going to...
00:35:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:35:08
Grumpy Old Prop
That's going to be in your epitaph somewhere. ah Pissed off John F.O. to lose a game.
00:35:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:16
Jarrod Dyke
um So I actually don't think this was televised over here, the South Africa-Japan game.
00:35:22
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't think so either. i couldn't see it.
00:35:23
Jarrod Dyke
Sadly.
00:35:25
Jarrod Dyke
I couldn't find it anywhere.
00:35:25
Grumpy Old Prop
And how the fuck did they do better against that South Africa team?
00:35:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm talking about Japan here. How did they do better than freaking USA did? Against Scotland's, like, C-Squad. Featuring Darcy Graham and Vendor Merva.
00:35:37
Jarrod Dyke
yeah and do on and dobby yeah yeah i mean we talked about sasha like from all accounts yeah i'm sure we will next week um
00:35:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:35:52
Grumpy Old Prop
I want to see him. and want to see him.
00:36:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's going to be interesting, say the least. But yeah, he's he's the thing. He's the deal. And he he is he's bad news for every team that's playing against him, club or country.
00:36:14
Jarrod Dyke
Like, yeah. um and they
00:36:18
Grumpy Old Prop
hey do you think they're gonna the south africans are gonna treat him the way like english people treat marcus smith and henry pollock where you think they're just gonna enjoy fucking watching him play rugby
00:36:26
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know.
00:36:30
Jarrod Dyke
It'd be nice if it was that.
00:36:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway, sorry. um You were saying?
00:36:36
Jarrod Dyke
yeah the And then they had, know, they did some of the smart things. They brought on um the young kid, Porthin,
00:36:47
Jarrod Dyke
um the prop. Like, I think that's his first game. He's only played,
00:36:54
Grumpy Old Prop
That's awesome.
00:36:56
Jarrod Dyke
he's played a little bit. One, two, three, four. had five He's had five URC games, including end of season last year.
00:37:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Cool. That's, that's, that's what you do.
00:37:08
Jarrod Dyke
bunch bunch of... hint yeah
00:37:11
Grumpy Old Prop
That's how you do it.
00:37:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. And he was at the world under 20 championships last year. Not this past year, but last year.
00:37:19
Jarrod Dyke
So...
00:37:19
Grumpy Old Prop
And he's a tight head.
00:37:20
Grumpy Old Prop
oh
00:37:21
Jarrod Dyke
So... You know, they're they're...
00:37:23
Grumpy Old Prop
fuck you.
00:37:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they did the smart thing. They gave him a shot.
00:37:25
Grumpy Old Prop
That's like, yeah.
00:37:25
Jarrod Dyke
Like... You know, against a team that they don't need all their heavy hitters.
00:37:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck.
00:37:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:37:33
Jarrod Dyke
you know They really don't.
00:37:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. That's like the the the Jason Newstead role right there.
00:37:37
Jarrod Dyke
Like, why don yeah why would you need that?
00:37:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, holy shit, I just got pulled into this. All i have to do is just just scrum, dude. Got it. Can do.
00:37:46
Jarrod Dyke
All you have to do is just be you. All you have to do is just be you and you're yeah and we can handle the rest.
00:37:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, all right. It'll just be you. Yeah. It'll be all right. Yeah.
00:37:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. i do I did read that Ox came off in this game, which is not awesome for them.
00:38:00
Jarrod Dyke
So we'll see how that goes.
00:38:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, 18 minutes in.
00:38:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:38:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Steen Camp came on, Grubbler, yeah.
00:38:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:38:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, i mean there I mean, they can let Quagga Smith walk anytime now. That'll be all right.
00:38:10
Grumpy Old Prop
How is, how, that's so weird that Andre Esterhazen was 20.
00:38:10
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:38:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Koggesmith's 21. But
00:38:17
Jarrod Dyke
I think they wanted to make a point that he was playing forward, which he did.
00:38:22
Grumpy Old Prop
did he? I didn't even, I didn't see, like I said, I didn't.
00:38:22
Jarrod Dyke
came in the back Mm-hmm.
00:38:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck, that's hilarious. That, okay.
00:38:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he came on for either Jasper or Sia. I can't remember which one.
00:38:32
Jarrod Dyke
They came on together, the two of them, Quagga and Nester Hazen.
00:38:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Wow.
00:38:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, they came up, right. Yeah, came on for Visa and Khaleesi.
00:38:36
Jarrod Dyke
They pulled Visa and Khaleesi. Yeah, I mean, it's it's a machine, and it's going to take some doing to stop these guys.
00:38:47
Jarrod Dyke
don't think there's a question about it. And, yes, there are teams that are going to get results on them every once a while. That happens. that's they're not They're not perfect. But, really, the way they're going, like, you know, they – they They're just... they're they're they're you know They're playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers right now.
Innovations in Rugby Strategies
00:39:07
Jarrod Dyke
And yes, Razzie tried some silly things like the line out the mall line out in the middle of the field.
00:39:12
Jarrod Dyke
Like, okay, that went bye-bye real quick. It's like, yeah, okay, this actually isn't working. At least he tried it. It was something they tried. It worked for a minute. People figured it out. They're like never mind. We can just throw this in the bin.
00:39:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:39:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, we're going to not do that.
00:39:22
Jarrod Dyke
All good. But therere they're trying shit. And, you know, it's... ah A ton of rights got to go to them, and i i don't know.
00:39:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:39:35
Jarrod Dyke
there There will be a team that can challenge them in 27.
00:39:37
Grumpy Old Prop
I...
00:39:38
Jarrod Dyke
I just don't know which one it's going to be.
00:39:41
Grumpy Old Prop
it And I think he's doing a pretty good job of, um for the most part, of... It's funny, following the All Blacks rules. um Like, when you're at the top of your game, especially that, you know, you're at the top of the game, change your game.
00:39:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, he's definitely... They're different, and they keep keep innovating.
00:39:56
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:39:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, he is not afraid to innovate and do something different and just do it. um
00:40:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:40:05
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like... the way Eddie Jones was... Before he just became Edward Jones. um
00:40:12
Jarrod Dyke
Just a total little helmet.
00:40:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. and um Razzie kind of went through his helmetist phase. But I think that's also was just him trying shit. So I don't know.
00:40:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. And he was, he was, he was not, when he was being a total knucklehead, he was not, exactly in charge, you know, was. So, um, yes, obviously Rousey had as much to do with it as anybody else.
00:40:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Right.
00:40:40
Jarrod Dyke
And I don't think anybody would deny that. I think we'd be silly to assume otherwise, but you know, he technically he wasn't the guy in charge. So maybe something in his head told him he didn't have to have his brain on the whole time, but, so um, yeah, no.
00:40:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:40:55
Jarrod Dyke
And Hey, listen, I am I've, always been the person that will say, well, if it isn't broke, fix it because it will be broke at some point if you're paying attention well enough.
00:41:06
Grumpy Old Prop
the
00:41:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:41:12
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah. Okay. Keep the stuff that's still working, but you know, let's find ways to tweak, not overhaul tweak.
00:41:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:41:19
Jarrod Dyke
I think that's the big difference between um ah a very good coach that continues to evolve such as Razzie has. And quite honestly, what, what Eddie did, which was, no, I'm just going to totally change everything. It's like, what whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. well Time out, Chief. Like, you had something that was working and you're totally going change it. Not not tweak.
00:41:38
Jarrod Dyke
Totally going to change it? Uh, that's a terrible idea. How'd that work out for you? Just, just, just, just want to know Like, still, still holding the same job down?
00:41:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:41:49
Jarrod Dyke
No? Had to change it? Okay. Just, just, just clarifying. Just throwing it out there. Um,
00:41:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Murrayfield. I...
00:42:05
Jarrod Dyke
The whole thing was pathetic. Honestly. And I have...
00:42:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, they can't.
00:42:15
Grumpy Old Prop
I've seen. you you know, it's funny. what um Our Jared and mine old coach who now actually coaches with me.
00:42:27
Grumpy Old Prop
um Put together a stat about just our college collegiate conference and, you know, how many the the games are split. like what the the final scores are and how few are even within seven points, um just because of the nature of, you know, people learning to play rugby.
00:42:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:42:43
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:42:46
Grumpy Old Prop
We were part of ah us game very close to this. ah We lost 78 to nothing to a team that's going to probably going to, at least if they don't win the national championship, they're going to be in the final four.
00:42:58
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:42:58
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:42:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Very good. But like, I think, because it's very similar to this in that the opposition is playing faster. They're a little bit stronger because because of that, they're already in an advantageous position, which is why it looks like they're just overpowering you.
00:43:10
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:43:15
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just because they're in the spot before you are um and winning those races. Once they're there, it's it's just, it's all bad, but at some point, like you're going to like shut them down.
00:43:27
Grumpy Old Prop
And then at some point you're going to get to play with the ball a little bit. If you can play a little bit and, the Eagles couldn't even play a little bit.
Struggles of U.S. Rugby
00:43:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, they couldn't do simple shit.
00:43:38
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:43:39
Grumpy Old Prop
and And it's just so stupid. Like, they can't pass to each other. They just look like helmets the whole time.
00:43:53
Grumpy Old Prop
they can't They can't take a ball to ground without losing it and then giving up a try right off of it.
00:43:58
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:43:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, You can't do one thing right at all. ah It's so fucking embarrassing.
00:44:07
Jarrod Dyke
And I'll be the first person to...
00:44:08
Grumpy Old Prop
and These guys aren't even an all this isn't even an all MLR team. like, these aren't the best guys in the MLR because the best guys in the MLR aren't US eligible.
00:44:13
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:44:18
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:44:19
Grumpy Old Prop
They're most of them are Canadian eligible, which but like, what the fuck does that say about say about us?
00:44:22
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. A lot them are.
00:44:29
Jarrod Dyke
We've got problems.
00:44:32
Grumpy Old Prop
this was This was awful to watch from a rugby standpoint.
00:44:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:44:36
Grumpy Old Prop
um you know great
00:44:37
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:44:38
Grumpy Old Prop
when you know what What Scotland did was was fun, excellent rugby.
00:44:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:44:44
Grumpy Old Prop
But it was just also very simple. It was like, okay, well, we have a four on three. the i'm just going to We're going to pass down the line until someone's open.
00:44:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I mean...
00:44:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Wow.
00:44:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Shocking shit.
00:44:58
Jarrod Dyke
it it's and this is a snapshot of the whole thing when they were doing the kick chase and toby f fricker got a piece of row row was able to offload it to think it was graham doesn't matter who it was honestly whoever it was because they did not have themselves organized in that kick chase enough to understand that all right one person is going to take the ball and
00:45:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm
00:45:24
Jarrod Dyke
at least one, if not two other people need to be ready to take on guys that are going to take the ball from them.
00:45:24
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:45:29
Jarrod Dyke
And yeah, I'm pretty sure they either got a lot of meters out of it or they scored off. It probably scored off it it for being honest here.
00:45:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm
00:45:35
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm. Probably both, actually.
00:45:37
Jarrod Dyke
do Yeah. oh Yeah. Definitely. yeah I'd say both if they scored. Yes. um
00:45:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Also, Boney just got...
00:45:44
Jarrod Dyke
I,
00:45:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Boney got so stepped by Rho. Like, Rho didn't even give him his best.
00:45:48
Jarrod Dyke
he sucks.
00:45:50
Grumpy Old Prop
He gave him his, like, third best move. And Boney was like, I'm fucking done.
00:45:55
Jarrod Dyke
yeah he sucks he's he's he's a shithouser and it only hit and that's why i don't like him i don't know why we bothered with him um yeah i'm like ethan mc and i know he came mcfey should have played nine for dahas way before had to come on for beset like we know what ruben dahas has we know he's probably the best nine and in in that's us eligible like
00:45:57
Grumpy Old Prop
He was awful. And he was slow. Like, everything... o Yeah.
00:46:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. 71st minute. Mm-hmm.
00:46:24
Jarrod Dyke
You need to find out other guys. You know, you need McVay, Oscar Lennon, pretty much on anybody else.
00:46:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:46:32
Jarrod Dyke
Not J.P. Smith. Do not do that. Do not do that. Don't do it. Yeah, it's, you know, I was semi-excited about watching Storty, and then he he got hurt, and I was like, never mind.
00:46:44
Jarrod Dyke
I think he could have played 13, but then Lopetti comes on, who's a fucking moron. Like, ugh.
00:46:52
Jarrod Dyke
I'm...
00:46:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh yeah, every shit just was going wrong and every single time 22 was around.
00:46:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Every single time.
00:46:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Lepetti's not... he's ah And I was talking to um another another WhatsApp group. like We don't do... And we talked about this at the beginning being of the season on the pod.
00:47:11
Jarrod Dyke
We don't do enough player development from a young age.
00:47:16
Jarrod Dyke
you know you We have...
00:47:16
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:47:18
Grumpy Old Prop
We're even at this age, they even at the senior level, there's no player development whatsoever.
00:47:18
Jarrod Dyke
we have
00:47:21
Jarrod Dyke
no No. But like if you want... And Bissag's the one... silver lining to the whole thing like i think he's he's fairly he's still pretty young think he's got a lot he's got a boatload of talent he's gonna be the guy that's gonna have to drag us through this whole thing because he he is pretty good he's performed at international level um at under 20s he's been good um you know think he only just finished uh college uni so
00:47:55
Jarrod Dyke
And he's already got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. He's got 16 which is So on Let's progress on So doing okay in that. Sounds like Canada, right? got sixteen caps which is good
00:48:10
Jarrod Dyke
so let's progress on that
00:48:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's not bad.
00:48:13
Jarrod Dyke
that's progress on that so butre doing okay in that um
00:48:13
Grumpy Old Prop
That's not bad.
00:48:25
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, it's, other than that, like, we can't just have one. That's the problem. We only have we we only have one.
00:48:36
Jarrod Dyke
And we always only have one. We always only have one AJ. We only have one Todd Clever. We only have one Chris Wiles. We don't ever have more than that.
00:48:48
Jarrod Dyke
And it's it it's, and they were talking about Years ago, years ago when the MLR started, m o site they're going to have academies and they're going to do And it's... Those don't exist still, guys. Like, they... Yes, technically they do.
00:49:04
Jarrod Dyke
But... Academies at the level... In the way that most people think of them and the way the MLR does them are almost polar opposites.
00:49:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:49:15
Jarrod Dyke
And I mean that in the worst way. And... They are...
00:49:24
Jarrod Dyke
There's a lot of things that could be done, at least from what ah we see locally here. And I'm assuming it's going on in every other place because I have nothing else to go on. But but I think my money would be safe if I were to put a bet on it.
00:49:38
Jarrod Dyke
there There's so many things they could do to help rugby growth in these teams. And they could, and I know they hold quote-unquote clinics, but they could, you know, work on coaches meeting of the minds more than once a fucking season thank you um yeah you and you got to get and if you have if you want to get like proper academies in then yeah you got to get on the same pages with your local schools which they don't always like i can tell you for a fact two years ago they didn't know when the high school season started
00:49:56
Grumpy Old Prop
he
00:50:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right.
00:50:20
Jarrod Dyke
They didn't know in the high school season, because they ah they were like, oh, we would love to have your players in. Dude, the high school season hasn't started yet. So I don't know how you expect me to organize this.
00:50:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:50:30
Jarrod Dyke
Like, I've only had one email communication with my players, and like, between now, between what you're talking about and now. Like, that's it.
00:50:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:50:40
Jarrod Dyke
So you need to get on the same page as that. And I've said it before. Stop worrying about the results. worrying about Worry about performance.
00:50:51
Jarrod Dyke
Are these guys doing...
00:50:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:50:54
Jarrod Dyke
Are they playing good rugby in and and the good rugby that that Ben and I love to talk about? Are they playing that stuff? If the answer is yes, and maybe they're just miscommunicating or they're just misexecuting something, awesome.
00:51:08
Jarrod Dyke
Keep going. It'll click.
00:51:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:51:11
Jarrod Dyke
Don't worry about fucking wins. Wins and losses.
00:51:13
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:51:14
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, you and I... here's the So Ben and I played against, or or our the high school team I coached, and Ben helped me.
00:51:25
Jarrod Dyke
um We played against team that's coached by a guy that the local academy loves.
00:51:36
Jarrod Dyke
And I'm sure Ben can tell you the rest of the story about what happened in that match.
00:51:43
Jarrod Dyke
Because it was bad.
00:51:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it was bad.
00:51:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Ugly, gross, and easily defensed. duc Yeah. Because the problem is they don't, some of these coaches don't know what the fuck they're doing.
00:51:58
Grumpy Old Prop
So they're just like, oh, this is a good player.
00:51:58
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:52:00
Grumpy Old Prop
He gets, when he gets the ball, good things happen. Like he does good things by himself. And it's like,
00:52:09
Grumpy Old Prop
that's not how rugby is won. It's not one versus 15 times 15. It's um how well can you use the players around you?
00:52:23
Grumpy Old Prop
And, and, you know, Jared can attach how proud I am of my team that they're playing like that.
00:52:23
Jarrod Dyke
yep
00:52:29
Grumpy Old Prop
um Like, shit, I said that video fucking everywhere.
00:52:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:52:32
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, Because that's what they're doing. And it's like, that's good rugby. I don't care how good you are. The person next to you is good too. If they have the the the whole fucking feed them and then follow them because they're going to run into somebody like that's, you know, Jared knows that was, that was one of my all time favorite moves is all will suck up the defenders, pass it out to you.
00:52:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, there's usually one or two guys back there.
00:52:53
Grumpy Old Prop
And then I'll follow you and for a prop. I get the best of both ends. I get a little bit of a smash after the, after I give the pass late and then, I followed up and I are' running free for a try.
00:53:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Sometimes it's hilarious and fun.
00:53:06
Jarrod Dyke
and
00:53:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's so much better than just running into a fucking brick wall 20 times a game. um
00:53:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:53:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Only for like, you know, one or two pop offs. It's like, look at how good I am. It's like, yeah, but the team fucking sucks.
00:53:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:53:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and that's, but that's what they look for.
00:53:20
Jarrod Dyke
So it's it's a bit it's a big issue.
00:53:21
Grumpy Old Prop
So they're like, Oh, I can sell that guy. Like I'm thinking about, you know, some of the guys that I got this year and I'm like, okay, how can I make them better? And what can I help them do to help or, you know, help the team around them better too?
00:53:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, it's not just, Oh, wow, that guy's good.
00:53:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:53:36
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm never going to talk to him. i'm just to let him or or work with him on improving his game. I don't have to.
00:53:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. honest Don't assume that ever.
00:53:41
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, no, we're going to make him better.
00:53:43
Jarrod Dyke
Like...
00:53:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, like easily... Like you're... We'll get off this in second, I promise. um Easily the most talented player I've coached in 10 years came through last year. And there wasn't a second I was...
00:53:47
Grumpy Old Prop
So,
00:54:03
Jarrod Dyke
not feeding shit into his head like you can do this you could do that like there are many options that he could do and you know the there's some options that he never unleashed that i know he can and i use some and sometimes it's putting confidence into them sometimes it's showing them how to do it in another way and like the things that he could still do that he never executed is terrifying what he could was terrifying what he could turn into in that case like
00:54:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:54:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:54:30
Jarrod Dyke
you know, a fizz pass across the face of a couple of your guys to get to the wing. Never saw that out of him. He had the ability to do it though.
00:54:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:54:38
Jarrod Dyke
And how do you ever pulled it off? I bet you we would had a few more line breaks and ah that wouldn't have changed the result by the end of the season, but still it would have been just one more thing to unlock for him. And it's, you know, it's a matter of
00:54:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:54:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:54:49
Jarrod Dyke
good coaching, making them believe that they can do what they what they can do, and also, yeah, showing them the different ways and and teaching them the different ways. And it's, it there's, in in general, in the United States for rugby, it's too much, this guy's super talented, let's let's put him in the, let's put him, you know, in this position where he's going to touch the ball a lot, but never mind anything else. It's like, oh, come on, guys.
00:55:14
Jarrod Dyke
Like, you know, Todd Clever could have been even better, which is terrifying to think about.
00:55:18
Jarrod Dyke
Because he was a fantastic player.
00:55:19
Grumpy Old Prop
He was good.
00:55:21
Jarrod Dyke
like anybody that hasn't Anybody that hasn't seen that, he was a big part of the ah Rugby World Cup Triad of the tournament in 2007. Yeah, um yeah Felo was good.
00:55:21
Grumpy Old Prop
He was very good.
00:55:33
Jarrod Dyke
and
00:55:33
Grumpy Old Prop
and he He'd be good today.
00:55:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Like not, you know, not today at his age today. I mean, like if he was, he'd be, um he'd be ridiculous.
00:55:38
Jarrod Dyke
If he was 20-odd today, yeah.
00:55:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. So, U.S., you got a shit ton of work to do. there so yeah and that's just one of those ones for scotland you just you had to fuck about maybe you saw some things that you wanted to see but ah in the end you get you don't get much out of it
00:55:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:56:00
Grumpy Old Prop
No. Other than Jamie Doby can play a little bit.
00:56:02
Jarrod Dyke
um yeah well the a listen they i mean they that that talk about developing guys and giving guys chances he needs he needs a chance and i think if he continues to get chances
00:56:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Which, maybe. don't know.
00:56:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:56:17
Jarrod Dyke
I think Scotland are going to be even better. And I, and I like Ben white. I like George horn, but this kid may be the future.
00:56:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:56:23
Jarrod Dyke
So, you know, gotta, gotta get him in there. Um, man, over to Chicago, Ireland, New Zealand. So let me, i mean did you see Bill's post by the way?
00:56:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:56:37
Jarrod Dyke
don't know if you saw it or not posted this morning.
00:56:38
Grumpy Old Prop
No, ah did not.
00:56:41
Jarrod Dyke
Um,
00:56:44
Jarrod Dyke
ah the great atmosphere around the city of Chicago this weekend, plenty of amazing events. ah Match itself took two steps back from 2016. um Couldn't have been worse timing after the Eagles had just got pounded.
00:56:58
Jarrod Dyke
um Socherfield had issues with their beer selection. They ran out of Guinness.
00:57:07
Jarrod Dyke
Like he's, as he says, how do you run out of Guinness knowing half of Ireland would be showing in town?
00:57:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Like, yeah, that's bad. And you've known about this match for a year, so don't give me that.
00:57:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:57:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:18
Jarrod Dyke
Um, Stadium Entertainment didn't seem to and to take it seriously. They miscued the New Zealand anthem. We didn't even see it on Peacock, by the way.
00:57:25
Jarrod Dyke
We saw neither anthem.
00:57:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, no, we don't.
00:57:27
Jarrod Dyke
Um...
00:57:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Nope.
00:57:28
Grumpy Old Prop
We were fortunate enough to see the Haka. Like they kind of, they were still talking over it almost. ah
00:57:33
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man, thank God.
00:57:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway, go ahead.
00:57:34
Jarrod Dyke
They just stopped. i'm Trying too hard to fill every dead ball with noise. Uh, not even popular music. It's, like, just weird canned music beds. Um... PA announced the wrong call a lot.
00:57:48
Jarrod Dyke
ah No on-screen TMO, which was a joke because, yeah. um We'll talk about the tight burn on the red card, but that was one of the ancient that was one of the annoying things in the stadium, he said, the um because they didn't know what was going on with that because they were watching on the little tiny monitor on the side of the field there.
00:58:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:06
Jarrod Dyke
Children Field treated this match as if it was a favor to host the event, not like they actually were happy to do it.
00:58:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Wanted to, yeah.
00:58:14
Jarrod Dyke
um not good um pitch was shit which we could see from the TV view um yeah it isn't and yeah it's not a big it's not just a big it's not quote-unquote big deal as Bill's saying it's a part of the match day experience that is important now as it will be in 2031 which is when we're supposed to host the World Cup and you know I said it to um the other WhatsApp group like World Rugby giving us the amount of money they gave it they gave us without putting some sort of watchdog on that thing was fucking stupid.
00:58:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:48
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:58:50
Grumpy Old Prop
do they Do they know where they gave money to?
00:58:50
Jarrod Dyke
if you're If you're out there and you are fine with it, you don't know what you just did, honestly.
00:58:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, at all?
00:58:58
Jarrod Dyke
You don't understand how stupid USA Rugby
00:59:02
Jarrod Dyke
so
00:59:02
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah go back and Also, go back and listen to our are are that that first No Discrimination segment, because that'll pretty much tell you why you don't give Americans money with no...
00:59:14
Grumpy Old Prop
or you know American institutions money with no and oversight.
00:59:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:59:20
Jarrod Dyke
Like, Jesus, man. Like, what do you we do what are we doing? So, yeah, I mean, it sounds like the the time had wasn't horrible by any means. You know, I see a picture of Bill and Todd Clever and Will Hooley.
00:59:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't do that.
00:59:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Well, yeah, you mean you yeah you you make it you find ways to make it fun.
00:59:32
Jarrod Dyke
You could do worse. Yeah,
00:59:36
Grumpy Old Prop
It's rug it's still rugby, but it yeah.
00:59:38
Jarrod Dyke
yeah absolutely. Absolutely.
00:59:41
Grumpy Old Prop
But like didn't they host a game? Wasn't they that first Ireland win against the All Blacks? Wasn't that there?
00:59:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. And 2016 was the year he was comparing it to, which is what was was that.
00:59:51
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Okay.
00:59:53
Jarrod Dyke
He said, yeah, two steps way back.
00:59:55
Grumpy Old Prop
How does that happen? I just don't get it.
00:59:57
Jarrod Dyke
um Stupidity and straight sets, my friend.
01:00:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, okay. ah
01:00:03
Jarrod Dyke
You know?
01:00:04
Grumpy Old Prop
i'm I'm just still dumbfounded.
01:00:04
Jarrod Dyke
i mean...
01:00:05
Grumpy Old Prop
like It takes a lot to dumbfound me about the ineptness of American rugby, but fuck.
01:00:13
Jarrod Dyke
That was bad. Yeah. So, that happened. Another game happened too.
01:00:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Their game happened, yeah. and yeah that Since we're right there, since it happened right at the start of the game, that that burn red card. Now look,
01:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Red card.
01:00:31
Grumpy Old Prop
for 20 minute red cards, even for like, you know I've said that, that they have to lower the standard for a red with a 20 minute red card. That was not a 20 minute red card.
01:00:41
Grumpy Old Prop
That was still a yellow in my opinion, at most.
01:00:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:00:46
Grumpy Old Prop
What the f- Anyway, I don't think it impacted the game as, um, that, that much, but maybe I'm wrong. It is long game.
01:00:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No, it was, was dumb.
01:01:04
Jarrod Dyke
Like there's, there's no way around it. Like, and it sounds like Brousset just totally shot the bed the whole way through anyway. um
01:01:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
Controversial Red Card Decision
01:01:15
Jarrod Dyke
I just, yeah. But Barrett's even come out and said, yeah, I will go to bat for a burn because that's not a red.
01:01:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he was not great.
01:01:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yep.
01:01:21
Jarrod Dyke
I'm just like, good.
01:01:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:01:24
Jarrod Dyke
i'm I'm glad to see that happening in the sport. At least it's, you know, the fellas understanding, you know, that, listen, it happened.
01:01:32
Jarrod Dyke
I couldn't do anything about it, but fuck.
01:01:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, because he doesn't want, if if anything, you don't want that to become the standard.
01:01:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And then, you know, you lose a guy for something like that. Like that's that absolutely good call to to just to really say that because you you got to set the the line somewhere and it won't do any good if Ireland's the only one complaining.
01:01:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. That's bad.
01:01:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, oh but oh, and one thing before we go go too deep into the game. We saw the Haka. They focused almost solely on Cody Taylor the whole time during it.
01:02:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
01:02:11
Jarrod Dyke
That is so JV.
01:02:14
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just amateur.
01:02:14
Jarrod Dyke
Like, that is so rookie.
01:02:16
Jarrod Dyke
Like,
01:02:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:02:20
Jarrod Dyke
where's that commitment to rugby from NBC Sports now, Corbs? Please tell me, because I remember you telling me that many years ago, and I said it was a joke.
01:02:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:02:28
Jarrod Dyke
and i And at this point, I'm going to give you a hint which which one of us looks more right.
01:02:33
Jarrod Dyke
It's me. Sorry. Like, you're supposed to be the expert. I'm supposed to be the fucking moron.
01:02:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:02:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, well, I mean, he did fumble so...
01:02:40
Jarrod Dyke
There you go.
01:02:45
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, my God.
01:02:48
Grumpy Old Prop
i the hitba s team of My by estimation of Korbs has gone way down of late.
01:02:48
Jarrod Dyke
How do you fumble that? How do you fumble that?
01:02:58
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah. Nope. Nope. um Anywho. ah I feel like, i think that's this is pretty much everyone's general opinion.
01:02:58
Grumpy Old Prop
So, sad.
01:03:13
Jarrod Dyke
don't really just sat on it during that whole red card period, or during that whole period where they were where their where their tails were up.
01:03:20
Jarrod Dyke
It's like, yeah listen, you are you have the advantage. Press.
01:03:20
Grumpy Old Prop
hey
01:03:24
Jarrod Dyke
Keep going. Don't stop.
01:03:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:03:25
Jarrod Dyke
What are you doing?
01:03:26
Grumpy Old Prop
They're right over there.
01:03:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Go get them.
01:03:29
Jarrod Dyke
like, god damn dude you are right there like take advantage what are you doing and they just never really got out of their own way and i you know i crowley deservedly got the nod um i'm waiting to see which one of these tens performs well in green because hernergas has had flashes
01:03:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:03:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. It's not happening yet. Mm-hmm.
01:03:52
Jarrod Dyke
Crowley has had flashes, but they they need consistency. And yeah i on a one-to-one basis, you know comparing each attribute, I like Pendergast better.
01:04:06
Jarrod Dyke
But if he doesn't perform, then it doesn't fucking matter.
01:04:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:04:10
Jarrod Dyke
try...
01:04:10
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:04:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Are they going to try Osborne there at all, or is that just not...
01:04:14
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Is that going to be like a pull-break glass in case of emergency thing?
01:04:14
Jarrod Dyke
ah no ah That's a break of glass. I mean, Frawley was the one that they've tried. It was the guy that they had stuck in there before.
01:04:22
Grumpy Old Prop
That's true.
01:04:24
Jarrod Dyke
think he's still hurt though. So that doesn't really do him any good. Yeah. And you know, here's the thing. And the other thing that I, this is New Zealand. You wanted to win this match. So you got to stick what's out, what you have out there. That's the best you got.
01:04:42
Jarrod Dyke
I think going forward, the rest of this, this autumn series, I don't think you need to see Jack Tony at number eight basically ever again. um James Ryan, same thing.
01:04:53
Jarrod Dyke
You can bin him for yeah the rest of eternity.
01:04:55
Grumpy Old Prop
who
01:04:58
Jarrod Dyke
And there's a few other guys you could probably chuck off the the bandwagon here.
01:05:02
Grumpy Old Prop
and um
01:05:02
Jarrod Dyke
i don't I love Bundy.
01:05:04
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:05:04
Jarrod Dyke
I and don't think we need to see him again.
01:05:07
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah he's he's reached that um oh shit who is he Tui from like three or four years ago Mano Tui yeah like yeah um and this one's gonna hurt
01:05:14
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. Manu.
01:05:25
Grumpy Old Prop
And I've seen it elsewhere, too. So I know I'm not alone and in seeing it or thinking it. But it's James Lowe cooked.
01:05:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he didn't look good
01:05:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, where was that? Remember, I mean, and yeah, that was.
01:05:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Shit, that's way too long ago. Fuck you. Time. um Heat shit time.
01:05:46
Jarrod Dyke
look good. Exactly.
01:05:50
Grumpy Old Prop
um But like that James Lowe, when he was hungry and he was after it and he was with you. took that the game against the kiwis personal and said this matt and yeah i feel like he's kind of gotten to that like i'm you know i brought up metallica earlier he's like late years metallica of yeah i don't really care anymore um
01:06:01
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:06:14
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:06:15
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. ah
01:06:16
Grumpy Old Prop
but
01:06:18
Grumpy Old Prop
like we're just gonna phone it in is that how cool with everyone all right what's good with us too just you know Keep putting me out there and we'll have some fun. And that's that's kind of where he is.
01:06:30
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's a shame because rugby's played by the young and hungry. um And Lowe could still have that, but...
01:06:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, i think you're better off letting guys like Osborne, ah either O'Brien, know, a couple other guys that you know, potentials out there.
01:06:43
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:06:53
Jarrod Dyke
There's some, yeah, there's some.
01:06:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Is Calori Ireland qualified?
01:06:57
Jarrod Dyke
No, I don't think anyone would let that happen anyway.
01:07:01
Jarrod Dyke
At least I hope they wouldn't. um
01:07:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Probably not, but I'm just trying to think.
01:07:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause I remember, I do.
01:07:06
Grumpy Old Prop
i do remember a few years ago when we were talking about how there's, there's like no, nothing current and nothing apparently on the future for, for the locks for Ireland.
01:07:18
Grumpy Old Prop
It wasn't that long ago. Um, I think it was actually not this Lions tour.
01:07:22
Jarrod Dyke
well i yeah
01:07:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Obviously, was the last Lions tour. So what, six years ago? And it's that lot's changed since then. um so But now I'm like, where are the wings for Ireland? who's Who you got?
01:07:37
Jarrod Dyke
let's see what they call into this team um bolton is a name that people are saying that's one
01:07:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Because Lowe and O'Brien are not really. O'Brien was all right. Mm-hmm.
01:07:45
Jarrod Dyke
um
01:07:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, na I think Nash, if he can get healthy, he's he's another one.
01:07:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:07:51
Jarrod Dyke
That's another one that could be out there. um Yeah, like, you know, there's there's some, I really, and I think he's ah hurt right now, but Cormac is a Juco who needs time for this team.
01:08:07
Jarrod Dyke
And he will turn into something monstrous. Give him the time.
01:08:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Now, we we don't need to see James. we We need to see James Ryan and Ian Henderson, although we didn't see Ian Henderson in this game.
01:08:16
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, there's another one. Oh, Jesus. Yeah.
01:08:20
Grumpy Old Prop
and It's so funny that we're at the...
01:08:21
Jarrod Dyke
Ahern. That's the other one.
01:08:22
Jarrod Dyke
That's another one. Ahern.
01:08:22
Grumpy Old Prop
were take Oh, yeah.
01:08:25
Jarrod Dyke
Thomas Ahern.
01:08:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:08:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I heard.
01:08:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:08:28
Grumpy Old Prop
um Like, it's really funny that, we're you know, just bringing up that, though we're where are the where're the the future of the Ireland locks.
Transitioning Players in Rugby Squads
01:08:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And now we're like, okay, those guys that were the future, they're gone.
01:08:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, they're they're the past now. Can we get these new guys in who we actually like to watch too? Like, that's kind of cool um that we're seeing that.
01:08:46
Jarrod Dyke
who
01:08:46
Grumpy Old Prop
But now it's like, yeah, get those guys in. um
01:08:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:08:50
Jarrod Dyke
Like,
01:08:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, I'd like to see their counterparts at wing get get a run because I'm not terribly impressed.
01:08:55
Jarrod Dyke
yeah, like start. And this is the criticism of Farrell and Farrell's never had a full international job. So this is going to be his test. Like you need to be able to move forward with your, your squad and not hang on to the guys for too long.
01:09:10
Jarrod Dyke
And we've said it before.
01:09:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:09:13
Jarrod Dyke
chop them a year earlier than a year late and it'll still do you good and it's annoying and it's bothersome and it can hurt but you know a year later you're the one that's like yeah i feel good about it and everyone's like yeah that was a good call so that's both that idea and you know
01:09:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:09:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like those endings never go well. It always sucks.
01:09:38
Jarrod Dyke
hmm always
01:09:39
Grumpy Old Prop
It always hurts.
01:09:43
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like it's better to do that when a time when it makes the team better. So there you go. Take the take the pain when it's good. And now it's it's that time. So let's go.
01:09:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:09:59
Jarrod Dyke
Um,
01:10:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Because you're going to need a Hearn.
01:10:01
Grumpy Old Prop
You're going to need Cormac. You're going to need these guys in 27.
01:10:06
Jarrod Dyke
yep.
01:10:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yep. Um, yeah, we'll see.
01:10:12
Grumpy Old Prop
You're not. Yeah. Like, like, look at, look at what their opponents did. Right. Like the guys that are on there is is Fabian Holland going to be starting or playing?
01:10:22
Jarrod Dyke
Fabian Holland. Wow.
01:10:25
Grumpy Old Prop
um Maybe like, you know,
01:10:27
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe. I mean, he's... i saw his name for the series earlier on this summer. And I was like, wow, really? And then he hasn't put a foot wrong.
01:10:40
Jarrod Dyke
I'm not saying he's done amazingly. But he's not put a foot wrong either. So I give him credit. that's a that's so Solidity will do you well.
01:10:40
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:10:47
Grumpy Old Prop
who
01:10:50
Jarrod Dyke
at this level, but you, get you also can't just rely on that. So, but you do have, and I think by he's hurt right now, but you do have the likes of him.
01:10:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:10:58
Jarrod Dyke
You do have the likes of, um, just a lot of good young talent that can, that is just coming out here.
01:10:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:11:05
Jarrod Dyke
um trying to think Josh Lord. That was the one say who the hell came into this game, Josh Lord, you know, if he can stay healthy, that's, that's going to be only good for them.
01:11:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, Josh Lord.
01:11:14
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah.
01:11:15
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
01:11:16
Jarrod Dyke
And lots of good things. Um, they will miss, The two Barrett brothers that came off were going to definitely miss this coming week. I know that.
01:11:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:11:25
Jarrod Dyke
But, like, two guys that played in this match. One from your guys, one from mine. And actually, two guys from yours and one from mine. Parker, Lockye, and Satiti.
01:11:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
01:11:38
Jarrod Dyke
These are all fairly new names in New Zealand rugby in terms of wearing the black shirt.
01:11:45
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah so yeah he's not done okay like he's not I don't like I i' like him i don't love him but no but like and honestly the they're to me they're the way that they ended the game that back row is their back row um
01:11:46
Jarrod Dyke
And they've been... really like parker was kind of ah another one of oh really but it's worked and he's done well um isnt
01:12:02
Jarrod Dyke
but he's not i mean he's not arty nobody's gonna be arty
01:12:16
Grumpy Old Prop
I would have luck high at at six with Satiti at eight and and just be like, yup, those are my guys.
01:12:19
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, oh, yeah. oh yeah
01:12:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, if that was the... if that Yeah, if that's their starting back row, your your eyes go out of their head like, ooh, this will be fun.
01:12:25
Grumpy Old Prop
No problem.
01:12:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And right. um And, you know, Parker's not bad. He's solid. You know, I'm not, he's not going to blow you out of the water, but he's also not going to like, but he's not going to be like,
01:12:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, again, some of those... That's... It's... Right.
01:12:44
Grumpy Old Prop
He's not goingnna kill you. He's not going to like wow you. He's just going to be there.
01:12:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:12:48
Jarrod Dyke
He's not... yeah
01:12:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And sometimes, fuck, you need that.
01:12:49
Grumpy Old Prop
that's That's quality at the international level.
01:12:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he's not he's not the first name on the team sheet, but sometimes you're like, okay, this will do for today.
01:12:57
Jarrod Dyke
It's not my ideal choice. It's not what I want, but it'll do for today. that's fine.
01:12:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:13:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I'm not going to cry about that about having to start him, but yeah.
01:13:04
Jarrod Dyke
But then, yeah, they have.
01:13:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:13:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:13:08
Grumpy Old Prop
And...
01:13:11
Jarrod Dyke
I think their struggles are going to be with the two shirt for a while. um Taylor's not young.
01:13:11
Grumpy Old Prop
and um
01:13:21
Grumpy Old Prop
who
01:13:22
Jarrod Dyke
Tonkiah is not getting any younger. And then so they have, I think, McAllister and Bell on this tour, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I'm making that up. um
01:13:35
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't remember.
01:13:35
Jarrod Dyke
we'll see how that yeah We'll see how that works out.
01:13:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:13:38
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, that's right. I think Dewey's on this tour too. Good for him.
01:13:44
Jarrod Dyke
But they're, there're and you know, Leroy Carter has started a lot of games recently for them.
01:13:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:13:50
Jarrod Dyke
good yeah Again, good, you know, new guys. I'm really, i I have to say, as far as who should be wearing the center shirt next to Jordy when he's healthy, I think the right guy was wearing it this week.
01:14:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Quinn's been active.
01:14:03
Jarrod Dyke
and i love billy And I love Billy Proctor. I love Billy Proctor, and I think he should continue to get looks as well.
01:14:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:14:09
Jarrod Dyke
But when healthy, both of these guys, that is a nightmare midfield.
01:14:17
Jarrod Dyke
Like, no thank you with a capital N-O. Like, wow.
01:14:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:14:24
Jarrod Dyke
I really like them all. So, I really like the two of them especially. But, yeah. Like, yeah. And then throw in Proctor and, you know, find Ganuku when he has his day. Like, yes. That's good.
01:14:36
Jarrod Dyke
And, yeah, stick Riko on the wing because that's where his best spot is right there.
01:14:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, pretty much.
01:14:42
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah, there's that. Okay. Um...
01:14:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Or just don't play Riko at all. That's that's also acceptable.
01:14:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you could do that too. That'd be okay. That'd be okay.
01:14:55
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. We got any superlatives for the week?
01:15:01
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, my try of the week was that, ah of course, I mean, it had to come from the the Scotland versus USA because there were just too many tries from that.
01:15:11
Jarrod Dyke
Fun ones.
01:15:12
Grumpy Old Prop
um but and And it's also my young player, so it goes hand in hand with that. um But Liam McConnell's little um
01:15:18
Jarrod Dyke
yeah who Yeah, especially on that team.
01:15:20
Grumpy Old Prop
little ah basketball pass to to Dewey. um Because like so much of it, because you know, like we all know that McConnell could have just run over everybody for a try.
01:15:37
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, there's so much more class in, and and it's like, I'm on debut. I want to, you know, I want to make that impression like that, that like show I'm a great player. And some guys just get it. Okay. Well, that means I score a try.
01:15:52
Grumpy Old Prop
you know, this is the opposite of this is what I was talking about when we're talking about not developing USA players. Cause Eagle player,
01:15:56
Jarrod Dyke
Oh,
01:15:58
Grumpy Old Prop
in that situation is going to be like, all right, well, my job is to run motherfuckers over. And you know what would happen there? They get shoved into touch. And instead, instead McConnell just said, we're going to score.
01:16:06
Jarrod Dyke
Tully.
01:16:10
Grumpy Old Prop
We're scoring this try. We, the team, we, um and, and just like, and even Dewey afterwards, like all he could do is be like, dude, that was, I can't believe you did.
01:16:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:16:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's, that's, that's what you do when you're like, I'm on debut.
01:16:23
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
01:16:25
Grumpy Old Prop
And I'm also making sure that this is not my only, cap ever because that's a that that's it that's the kind of play that'll get you brought back on because no matter what happens you're gonna put them in a good position
01:16:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yep. Yeah, I know. I like to pick. like to pick for both. It's good stuff.
01:16:50
Grumpy Old Prop
um And my coach of the week is is Razor. Because fuck, dude, this is why we this is this is why we've been but you've been Ross and Rachel this whole time.
01:16:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:17:02
Jarrod Dyke
A little bit.
01:17:02
Grumpy Old Prop
oh um This is what we wanted to see.
01:17:06
Grumpy Old Prop
So we're glad you guys finally got together.
01:17:10
Jarrod Dyke
Well done, guys. Yeah.
01:17:13
Jarrod Dyke
So we'll see. the No, fuck that.
01:17:13
Grumpy Old Prop
No referees.
01:17:16
Grumpy Old Prop
None. Fuck you guys.
01:17:17
Jarrod Dyke
Jesus. No, no, no, no. Fuck that shit.
Anticipation for Upcoming Rugby Matches
01:17:21
Jarrod Dyke
So they go to, yeah, it's going quite a switch for Scotland coming up here. They go to Murray Field, the All Blacks 2.
01:17:30
Jarrod Dyke
and then we'll see them, and then most'll they got one more England.
01:17:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:17:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Who does the US play this week? Nobody fucking cares.
01:17:39
Jarrod Dyke
It honestly doesn't matter.
01:17:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:17:41
Jarrod Dyke
um'm i'm I'm done with Lawrence. You know, he could get fired tomorrow, and I would be okay with it.
01:17:44
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:17:47
Jarrod Dyke
I don't care that we qualified.
01:17:48
Jarrod Dyke
We need someone that can actually develop players and not just worry about, I coached him at life where I coached him here.
01:17:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Italy, uh...
01:17:56
Jarrod Dyke
I coached them there. That doesn't fucking matter right now, dude.
01:17:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:17:59
Jarrod Dyke
You need so much more than that. and And I'm almost, we're almost done. I promise. The coach of us rugby has to have a much bigger vision than what's going on with the current roster.
01:17:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:18:14
Jarrod Dyke
And maybe a couple of guys that are coming in and could, because we don't have the people ah and the, and the, you know,
01:18:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:18:25
Jarrod Dyke
the available resources, mostly, you know, bodies um that can help you with that. So you need to have the vision yourself. So it takes someone like, I'm sorry, this guy coached at life, big deal.
01:18:40
Jarrod Dyke
And ATL rugby, like, I think he got the job kind of, you know, Josh Smith style.
01:18:41
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:18:48
Jarrod Dyke
not really, not, not really. And if you don't know who it is, then I'll let you, I'll let you YouTube him or, um or goggle it, whatever.
01:18:55
Grumpy Old Prop
You can always ask us. We are on on the socials. We'll tell but tell you
01:19:01
Jarrod Dyke
There's that too. There's that too. But anyway, um yeah, there's just gotta to be so much more and I'm just not impressed with him at at this point. Maybe he'll prove me wrong. And if he does great, I'll be the first one to take my mouth over it up and shove that foot in. Yeah.
01:19:17
Jarrod Dyke
Fair enough. Okay, and that'll be that.
01:19:22
Jarrod Dyke
Officially, the window opens this week, so we will see much more international rugby, and hopefully we'll see some good stuff this week. Actually, I'm looking forward to Scott and the Zion. I'll be interested to see how that goes.
01:19:35
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm looking forward to Italy, aust Australia, although I think that Australia is going snot them.
01:19:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I think, oh, I think yesterday's to be mad. So, I think that being the kind of thing that's going to happen with that.
01:19:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
01:19:48
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, there's some some games that are going to be shit shows as well. You know, for South Africa should be, I think think it'll be entertaining, but it also has the potential to be one of those boring test matches, which you don't, which I'm hoping it isn't.
01:19:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
01:19:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
01:20:03
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, potential, but hopefully not. to um Anyway, thanks for listening and letting us babble at you for a little bit. ah We appreciate you guys for listening. We'll catch you guys next week. Enjoy the rugby this weekend. Have a good one, everyone.
01:20:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:20:18
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.