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Season 8- Episode 7- What the F**k Are We Learning? (Internationals Wrapped)
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It's another one from those rugby dopes from the U.S. On this episode, we take a moment to honor a legend of New England as Josh Larsen calls time on a stellar career as the Original Free Jack. Good luck in retirement and coaching Cap, you're a legend. Then it's time to give thanks, as we recognize the upcoming holiday here in the States, suffice to say Thank You to All is the theme. Then we wrap the action from the weekend (and thank god that's it). With superlatives, possibly some hot takes and back into Pick Em too. Grab something to drink, kick back and enjoy fam!
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Transcript
Return from the Break
00:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Hey everyone, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:34
Jarrod Dyke
Let's go to return. we yeah We bagged last week, mostly because I was just in a really pissy mood, but besides the point. um Anyway, let's crack them.
00:00:48
Jarrod Dyke
i was looking I've been looking forward to this one today.
00:00:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah.
Listener Engagement and Support
00:00:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Me too, to be honest.
00:00:58
Jarrod Dyke
Find us on your favorite podcast app. Download, rate, review. Share. Feedback is always welcome.
00:01:06
Jarrod Dyke
um Make sure that you buy our good friend George the Fantasy Rugby Geek a coffee or beer, however you wish
Transition to Club Rugby
00:01:12
Jarrod Dyke
to see it. We are out of international play, which means we're going back into club play, and we're going to also kick off a new competition in a couple weeks here.
00:01:19
Jarrod Dyke
So the man's busy, and he's doing he's doing damn good work.
00:01:20
Grumpy Old Prop
o
00:01:23
Jarrod Dyke
So, you know, help him out. Help him out just little bit.
00:01:27
Jarrod Dyke
KK. All right. ah As always, there is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should they be in sports or in life.
00:01:27
Grumpy Old Prop
who
Tragic Murder of Amber Cech
00:01:39
Grumpy Old Prop
I want to talk about something that may not have reached over international
00:01:45
Grumpy Old Prop
um news outlets because I mean there's so much to report on in the US that yeah um how much do you really want to focus on us we fucking suck um but I wanted to acknowledge the life of Amber Cech who um seemed like just a really cool chill person um and worked in
00:01:51
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:02:04
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:02:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, you know, blue collar job, um manufacturing company and in, in, um, Minnesota, you know, just a good fucking salt of the earth type gal. And, uh, her coworker who had been like harassing her and being mean to her. I don't know in what capacity other than I know she's filed complaints, but like he's made threats against her. So I don't think it was, yeah who knows what type of either way. Um, he grabbed a sledgehammer and just bludgeoned her to death.
00:02:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, out of nowhere. He just saw she was in and said, all right, today's the day. And just what the fuck?
00:02:52
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:02:52
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:02:52
Grumpy Old Prop
um there's There's, there's so many men out there who just hate women and feel like it's okay to do this.
00:02:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Like I, like, I guess the, it's weird. Like the longer I'm in this world, the less I understand how people like that can still exist. Like, not that I could before, but it's like, we're,
00:03:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Fucking 2025. Get the fuck over it. Like...
Societal Issues and Violence
00:03:20
Grumpy Old Prop
For no reason.
00:03:20
Jarrod Dyke
those I think those types have have like serious issues stemming back to childhood.
00:03:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, nobody has a reason. He just...
00:03:25
Jarrod Dyke
And I'm not a doctor or anything like that here. But I think they just have serious issues going back to childhood where they couldn't get what they wanted, including whatever whatever woman they wanted.
00:03:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:03:36
Jarrod Dyke
So they resorted to things that pieces of shit like this resort to to yeah get their quote-unquote action.
00:03:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:03:45
Jarrod Dyke
And...
00:03:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, that's the thing. I'm not even sure this was like he wanted her or it because I'm not sure she was would be the type to be interested in him. um but i don't know.
00:03:56
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, Jesus.
00:03:56
Grumpy Old Prop
i'm just making iday I'm just like based on what I've seen and heard that like I think he just didn't like her lifestyle or something like that. You know, it was a.
00:04:06
Jarrod Dyke
oh Oh, okay. Yeah, I know.
00:04:08
Grumpy Old Prop
of Very much like I'm not sure which way it went, but he did not like her.
00:04:08
Jarrod Dyke
I see where we're going.
00:04:13
Grumpy Old Prop
This was not a she said no to him. I think this was a, I just don't like you.
00:04:16
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, okay. Now I understand. Now I understand.
00:04:19
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
Stance Against Discrimination
00:04:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Um.
00:04:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah and but those people tend to... those types of people tend to be repressing what is probably some sort of less than straight desire, you know, as we think of straight in the, in the norm.
00:04:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:04:35
Jarrod Dyke
And they, because they've been, they've had, you know, the Bible nailed into their head three ways from, from Sunday.
00:04:41
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:04:42
Jarrod Dyke
ha
00:04:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:04:45
Jarrod Dyke
They're, they, they just have it in their head that they can't be this way. So nobody else can be this way. Well, so they, they see it as like almost a punish, like, because I can't be that way, even though that's how I want to be, you shouldn't be able to be either.
00:04:59
Jarrod Dyke
And maybe I'm way off base here, but people like that, that's usually what it is.
00:05:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:05:05
Jarrod Dyke
And it's not totally, it's not entirely on the ball, on the button, but there's some, there's at least some element of truth to that.
00:05:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:05:12
Jarrod Dyke
Usually. Yeah. That's it obviously a general generalization and every, every situation is and an incident and, piece of crap is different, but yeah.
00:05:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
Mishandling of Amber Cech's Case
00:05:25
Grumpy Old Prop
but ultimately like there's no need for any of this.
00:05:26
Jarrod Dyke
So,
00:05:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And, um, also if you see something to say something, if you have, there is an issue, um, raise it, like, don't just sit on the sidelines.
00:05:32
Jarrod Dyke
please.
00:05:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, again, words will trend, you know, not every, and not in every case, but words can translate to actions. And, um,
00:05:48
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:05:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it's not good. The company knew how bad this was and did not. There's just so much wrong with this case. Overall, it should it should never have gotten this far. It should never come to this. but
00:05:57
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:05:59
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed. Really fucked up.
00:05:59
Grumpy Old Prop
So point of that's the whole point of this is is step in and try to fix things when you can before they go way wrong.
00:06:04
Jarrod Dyke
a Yeah, please.
Patreon and Community Projects
00:06:09
Jarrod Dyke
um In the meantime, grab our Patreon. We have goods coming out here. Yeah.
00:06:17
Grumpy Old Prop
I have... i'm i'm halfway through the prime season so far which was just like you know the the the spreadsheet has been set up but now i'm halfway through the data entry which is is like
00:06:31
Grumpy Old Prop
not the hard part the hard part then is going to be make sure all the numbers work out right because right now i'm kind of hoping and praying um yeah i'll have to to um
00:06:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, make sure the equations work.
00:06:41
Grumpy Old Prop
just do some, some check-in on my end, but yeah, with all, everything goes well. The sheet will be out this Friday for, or maybe even earlier for consumption. And then I don't know, considering that this is a holiday weekend that I'm not sure I'll get the expected points out this week, but I'll, I'm definitely aiming to get you some statistics.
00:06:51
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:07:01
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah, yeah,
Tribute to Josh Larson
00:07:05
Jarrod Dyke
get um Get them out the for the following round, which won't be for a couple weeks, I think.
00:07:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:07:08
Jarrod Dyke
but
00:07:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:07:09
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah. and So those that those of you that are not interested in being a member of our our Patreon, you can buy single posts.
00:07:21
Jarrod Dyke
So, which we will program these things so you can purchase them. It won't be, you know, these nice folks get, you know, two to four posts.
00:07:33
Jarrod Dyke
of these sheets per month for their price, we're probably going to charge you the exact price that they pay for one. And that's just how it is.
00:07:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:07:41
Jarrod Dyke
Should you choose to do that? If you don't and you want to support us and be a Patreon, we appreciate that too. um In any case. So yeah, keep your eyes peeled for that.
00:07:54
Jarrod Dyke
So before we get into our little weekend roundup, we have a couple of things that we got to cover here. um We were not we did not record last week as we, as I mentioned, and it was ill-timed in some ways.
00:08:07
Jarrod Dyke
Um, but you uh, tip of the cap and a, and the hats off and and and a and a round of applause for the original free Jack, Josh Larson, our, our, the Josh has retired from, from the team and actually he's going to join the coaching staff this, this coming year.
00:08:25
Jarrod Dyke
It sounds like assuming all things go, to go to plan.
00:08:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Gratitude and Thanksgiving
00:08:28
Jarrod Dyke
Um,
00:08:31
Jarrod Dyke
I just, yeah, I have a lot of love for the guy. He came in, he did a great, he was a great leader. Uh, I can remember the first, it was, maybe it was the first or the second or the second home game for the year, in the first full season when we had home games.
00:08:49
Jarrod Dyke
Um, and Josh, you know, Josh made a point to thank everyone and in the stands and, you know, look forward to coming back in however many weeks it was. And, you appreciate everyone's support.
00:09:00
Jarrod Dyke
And and then that that kind of became a thing as we we, as we now see at Fort Quincy, for those of you, if you haven't been to Fort, haven't been to veterans Memorial, like it's a, it's a fun scene after the games where the, and I know we're not the only ones to do this, but yeah, you know, fans will just jam themselves on the fence to give these guys a high five and a handshake.
00:09:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:09:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:09:20
Jarrod Dyke
And it's a, it's a, it's a fun thing. And that kind of, he kind of set that tone with that little message there and things just kind of went from, went on from that. And it was really,
00:09:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:09:30
Jarrod Dyke
it was really great. And on top of the fact that he was a ah very good player, you know, he was
Boston University Rugby Club
00:09:34
Jarrod Dyke
a lineup caller, which as we've talked about before is, is a difficult job. That's a, that's a difficult job that people, that someone needs to do and do well.
00:09:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:09:41
Jarrod Dyke
And he was, he did it to a wonderful ability for a long time. And yeah. And on top of the fact, he was a solid second row that could play six when needed. And yeah, he was, I,
00:09:55
Jarrod Dyke
I have a lot of love for the guy and um and i appreciate everything he did. And I'm also appreciative that he's decided, you know what, before I walk, start to walk funny because I've played so much, I'm going to, I'm to call it a day and just walk away and, you know, and start to cut my teeth and in the coaching staff, which makes a whole lot of sense for, for who he is. He, he really strikes me as a guy that's going to do well in the coaching area.
Free Jacks' Championship Victory
00:10:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he does. and um just ah cause ah Always a heady player. um Handy. could Could throw the passes. Could run hard. um Obviously tackle hard.
00:10:30
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:10:30
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:10:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Just a guy who who if you needed some a job done, hed he'd make sure it would happen. um And then if if he couldn't be there, you know someone's running through a wall to make sure it happens and on on his behalf.
00:10:43
Grumpy Old Prop
It's hard to lead from the bench, but the guy did that this year, and with no question about it. i know I'm not sure how healthy he was, but he seemed pretty healthy while he was out there.
00:10:54
Grumpy Old Prop
he he seemed not like you we've seen him banged up. we know we We're familiar with Josh Larson, and he seemed pretty
00:11:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we know what that looks like when he's banged up.
00:11:02
Grumpy Old Prop
he seemed pretty good to go for the most part. And he, yet he was, uh, he was a reserve all the way through the late season into even all the way through the playoffs. Um, but once he came on, the game was changing at that point.
00:11:18
Grumpy Old Prop
And that was, that was, you know, yeah.
00:11:19
Jarrod Dyke
Things put went positive usually, yeah.
00:11:22
Grumpy Old Prop
And it was like, Oh, you know, you think you've, um,
00:11:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:11:26
Grumpy Old Prop
you think you've seen the best of us? You haven't. Cause he's coming on for, for 20, 25 minutes and you know, whatever momentum you think you might have, if you do or not, like he's changing it for, for us. So um
00:11:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he's probably going to wrestle it away for you.
00:11:40
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah, we'll miss him and best of luck. And especially if he's coaching us so or the free jacks, hopefully there's a season. um
00:11:47
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:11:50
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm taking nothing for granted at this point. So, but certainly a guy that I want to, you know, in or around my squad.
00:11:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, totally. so so Thanks a lot, Josh. We appreciate you, man. Lots of love for you, bud.
Positive Holiday Outlook and Reflection
00:12:03
Jarrod Dyke
All right. Um. So those that, if this is your first season of listening to Ben and I, it's a holiday here in the United States coming up this week. So we try and do something positive.
00:12:14
Jarrod Dyke
While the circumstances of the holiday initially are not positive, we do choose to try and recognize that, but also treat a holiday as you want to treat it, where you're appreciative of being around people and so on so forth, and take the time to hang out with family and loved ones and people that you care about.
00:12:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:12:33
Jarrod Dyke
So we do try and give a little thanks for this week. Ben and
Thankfulness for Community Support
00:12:41
Jarrod Dyke
I are obviously very thankful for everyone that listens to us and lets us babble into their ears for a little bit, especially through what were some very tumultuous years, especially as Ben and I both became dads.
00:12:54
Jarrod Dyke
that was obviously that That obviously brought challenges.
00:12:55
Grumpy Old Prop
it has been yeah
00:12:57
Jarrod Dyke
ah Ben, when Ben and I both coach, that obviously brings, you know, makes things a little clunky on the podcast. And we appreciate everyone that just rides it out with us and and supports us no matter what.
00:13:07
Jarrod Dyke
yeah but we We see you, even if we can't name you, we we do what we do appreciate you. So we're very thankful for that.
00:13:14
Grumpy Old Prop
we really do
00:13:15
Jarrod Dyke
We're thankful for the guys that have been, you know, right with us the whole way in Champions League, that that especially that very initial tight-knit group. Duncan, Justin, obviously George, Mark.
00:13:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Mark, obviously.
00:13:28
Jarrod Dyke
Am I forgetting am i for forgeting someone else in that in that in that particular group?
00:13:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Anton, we miss you, bud.
00:13:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we miss him. yes and Unfortunately, he hasn't quite been as ah as active.
00:13:37
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah. yeah.
00:13:40
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, like those guys especially. And obviously the ones that started it too as well. like I still chat now and again with Carrick. Carrick, shout out to you, buddy.
00:13:48
Jarrod Dyke
Miss you. You know, that's that's just... Yeah, the so we appreciate guys like that, and obviously the anybody that's come since then, yeah, lots of fun, lots of love.
00:13:48
Grumpy Old Prop
so yeah
00:14:00
Jarrod Dyke
We appreciate you guys, and of course, we appreciate our Patreons, you know, those that have supported us financially, and if you can't, we we we don't appreciate you any less, but, you we appreciate them just a tiny bit more, just because, you know, they've decided that they want to support us, and we appreciate it.
00:14:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. But, you know,
00:14:19
Grumpy Old Prop
if you help us take the sting out of purchasing flow so we can watch some games, we really, really, really appreciate you.
00:14:25
Jarrod Dyke
Oh my god, please. Anybody. Anybody that can get into these idiots' ears.
00:14:28
Grumpy Old Prop
So thank you very much. It's one of the, yeah it is one, literally one of those, like when I'm, you know, when they just do something and I'm like, fuck. But you know what?
00:14:38
Grumpy Old Prop
At least I'm, I'm paying slightly less than they would have normally because I have people who will, will, you know, help us out with that. And we we really appreciate it.
00:14:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I know it. Yeah. Yeah, it helps us helps help take the sting out just a little bit.
00:14:50
Grumpy Old Prop
i was watching. Oh, we'll, we'll talk about it later. Um, But suffice it to say, I was watching some collegiate rugby this weekend because one of the teams that snotted us was is tearing up ah um the championships as they should.
00:15:04
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, UVM, yeah.
00:15:04
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, and at one point, the they beat my guys from Villanova. I used to play with up with some of them. Well, not the current squad, obviously, but back in the day, back in the day.
00:15:11
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, okay.
00:15:14
Jarrod Dyke
back Once upon yesterday year, yeah.
00:15:15
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, I used to play with some Villanova boys. But yeah.
00:15:18
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:15:19
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, there would be like a commercial on YouTube and it would be just one commercial, 15 seconds, and then move on. Then you'd be back to the broadcast. And I'm like, even Flo can't figure that shit out.
00:15:30
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:15:30
Grumpy Old Prop
So, all right.
00:15:31
Jarrod Dyke
No, no, no, no.
00:15:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway, enough of Flo.
00:15:32
Jarrod Dyke
they They have an issue with it.
00:15:34
Grumpy Old Prop
This is not that. um
00:15:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:15:36
Grumpy Old Prop
But so many thanks to our wives for putting up with us, doing this, taking a a couple hours out of our week, each week.
00:15:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Ain't that the truth.
00:15:44
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, and...
00:15:46
Jarrod Dyke
Shenanigans.
00:15:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Ultimately, i you know I want to thank the the BU Rugby Club because i think without you guys, I'd be like, ah I know we're like, we've talked about it. Like Jared's been like bumming because he doesn't have rugby to really be involved in.
00:16:03
Grumpy Old Prop
But this season with BU, like they'll just the way they've grown year after, like semester after semester, even like the well fall last year was a fucking disaster. We were talking about it then. And then spring looked better. And this year we're like,
00:16:17
Grumpy Old Prop
we're scoring more points in games than we scored all season. um So it's like, actually put out a ah list of scorers, is what our score, like how many people have scored points and how many they score.
00:16:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I remember you saying that.
00:16:30
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, holy shit. We had, I think we had 10 or 11 people who actually contributed points over, you know, we played five games. That's pretty impressive. I'm pretty happy with that.
00:16:39
Jarrod Dyke
Nice, yeah.
00:16:41
Grumpy Old Prop
So definitely making me feel better about when a time when I fucking,
00:16:42
Jarrod Dyke
That's good time.
00:16:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't like club or international rugby that much.
00:16:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Here we go
00:16:52
Grumpy Old Prop
And likewise, thank you to the Free Jacks for winning a third straight MLR championship.
00:16:56
Jarrod Dyke
on that one.
00:16:59
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:16:59
Jarrod Dyke
That makes things fun. All right.
00:17:07
Jarrod Dyke
So let's let's start with Holly first before we go anywhere else. Yes, Holly Davidson becomes the first woman to referee the All Blacks. it's not it It shouldn't be a thing, but it is.
00:17:18
Jarrod Dyke
um And yes, she's deserved. And anybody that's not been on the state has not known who she is until this day. You're hiding under a rock or you're just an asshole. I don't know which one, but you're one of those two. like you don't fall There's not a lot of between those two things. I'm sorry.
00:17:36
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, it's amazing that like there's that.
00:17:36
Jarrod Dyke
Just how it is.
00:17:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I think that point, i think, go don I mean, that's, that is great. Don't get me wrong. Fantastic. fucking fantastics You know, um but at the same time, we're now, what three days removed from that and nobody gives a shit because of other referees it's like it like it literally it's like good that's great we're we're past like i remember thinking things back when you're oh the first this the first that and it was like cool like can we get i'm looking forward to the point where this is not like a oh my god the first you know a woman to ever do it this exact way it's like no no no now we're okay we're good we're kind of past that as a celebratory thing because that was so common and then society has reached that point that's fucking awesome um and yeah she did a fucking hell of a job too like there were you know a couple times where i thought she went to tmo when she showed me she shouldn't have needed to um but like that's fine do that i'm i'm like you're like okay you're kind of it does slow it down but get get it right and and i think they did every time so um
00:17:52
Jarrod Dyke
e e
00:18:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we're getting beyond it
00:18:28
Jarrod Dyke
Same.
00:18:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I i certainly no issues with the way she called it. And it's a hell of a game, too. The scored line doesn't really flatter the way the game went. I don't think.
00:18:49
Jarrod Dyke
No, the babies ran away with it but in the end, apart from
00:18:54
Grumpy Old Prop
They did, which, i mean, you figured they were always going to, but it didn't.
00:18:58
Jarrod Dyke
Apart from your statement.
00:18:59
Grumpy Old Prop
It took late
00:19:01
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:19:02
Grumpy Old Prop
It wasn't right away. Whales really put up a fight.
00:19:04
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:19:05
Grumpy Old Prop
like To the point where I'm like, this is really... the All Blacks don't really look all that great. And i you know I know they're they're starting a ah change side.
00:19:12
Jarrod Dyke
Mm.
00:19:14
Grumpy Old Prop
And they have you know a non-10 playing 10.
00:19:19
Grumpy Old Prop
And...
00:19:21
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:19:21
Grumpy Old Prop
but was it? Artie's not out there. so yeah yeah i know it's ah But still, that's an All Blacks team. That's a proper All Blacks team there. um And I thought the you know Whales for...
00:19:33
Grumpy Old Prop
however 60 minutes gave them all they could handle.
00:19:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
00:19:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it was right about 55 minutes, 60 minutes when it was like, okay, now it's kind of out of hand.
00:19:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Tom Rogers hat trick.
00:19:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Oh, that, yeah.
00:19:48
Jarrod Dyke
um Two. so there's no left to um
00:19:58
Jarrod Dyke
So Tom Rogers is like kind of the guy. I understand that. There's one guy that I hope Steve Tandy runs with for a little while, and it's Dan Edwards. i'd like I'd like him to roll with him for a while. and that You've got to find a 10. He seems like he's quality. He's not amazing, but he seems like he's got some good things in him.
00:20:20
Jarrod Dyke
don't He's not very old, is he? I'm not going to say it. a mistake Let me look here.
00:20:26
Grumpy Old Prop
He's 22.
00:20:27
Jarrod Dyke
He's 22. Yeah. sir And he looked pretty good, so let him roll.
00:20:31
Grumpy Old Prop
He did.
00:20:31
Jarrod Dyke
let Roll with it. Roll with it.
00:20:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Wait, hold on, hold on.
00:20:32
Jarrod Dyke
Do it.
00:20:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Wait, wait. It's... they're, they're playing the all blacks and, and it's an off world cup cycle. You really, you think they should blood a 22 year old fly half when you've got, you know, the Jared Evans on, on, on your bench and,
00:20:50
Jarrod Dyke
ah I couldn't believe you made the bench.
00:20:52
Grumpy Old Prop
and
00:20:53
Jarrod Dyke
i was like, oh, they must be desperate if they're getting him on there. Oh, man. i was like, oh this is not a good day.
00:20:58
Grumpy Old Prop
but also like, no, but I think it ended up working out well. Dan played, like you said, played pretty damn well. Like, he was certainly not, you know, he was one of those where it's like, you kind of had like, you hear the name every so often and you're like, okay, cool.
00:21:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Edwards is doing well. Like, oh wait, no, he's the 10. Like he's, he's not showing up where it's like, oh, Edwards, his name is being called when all blacks intercept another pass. Like that's, um that's key.
00:21:27
Grumpy Old Prop
When you're 22 years old and facing the all blacks, that's saying a lot at that point.
00:21:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you you don't want that. Yeah.
00:21:31
Grumpy Old Prop
You're like, yeah, okay. Give him more time.
00:21:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, let it happen, man.
00:21:38
Jarrod Dyke
There's no harm in it.
00:21:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, for as much as Wales rugby is in fucking shambles, from the top obviously from the top down, they've got some quality players on that on that side.
00:21:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:21:49
Jarrod Dyke
They do. they They really do. I think they need to they you need need to continue to Well, their issue is, to me, like, well, just like back five in general, if your name's not Jack Morgan.
00:21:59
Grumpy Old Prop
They need an eight. Yeah, yeah that's true.
00:22:06
Jarrod Dyke
Like, I i like Plumtree. I don't think he's terrible. I think he didn't have a good game, but i've seen what I've seen from him before has been good. I don't know what the hell Tane Bashup went. Maybe he retired, and i didn't know about it, but um that was another guy that I remember doing pretty well for this team. So there's there's that.
00:22:23
Jarrod Dyke
there There is a lot to like about the Wales team. Again, I think the back five is an issue. They don't have a true number eight. No, Aaron Wainwright is not it. He's a useless pile of shit.
00:22:32
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:22:33
Jarrod Dyke
um Their second row is one of the worst in Tier 1 rugby, like maybe the worst.
00:22:37
Grumpy Old Prop
It is. It's bad. It's bad.
00:22:40
Jarrod Dyke
yeah And push comes to shove. i If I have to get rid of him one of them, it's Beard. He's a total helmet. He's total helmet. Freddie Thomas should have started pretty much every Wales game this this November.
00:22:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. I agree.
00:22:54
Jarrod Dyke
I hope he's starting next week. And I know it's against the spring box, but whatever, you know, who cares?
00:22:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:23:01
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah. New Zealand on the other hand.
00:23:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. There's, there's goods and bads about it again. Like I like Tamati Williams. That's, that's one guy that I'm, I'm, I'm encouraged by to see out there.
00:23:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:23:17
Jarrod Dyke
don't know why they rolled Bauer back out there. They could have found pretty much any other loose head prop. Because sure. i actually don't even know he's sticking around New Zealand.
00:23:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. And again, like, God, I hope nobody else is healthy to have to play Finlay Christie. Like, that better be the only thing that's happening.
00:23:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that was that was funny. I mean, he's he's not terrible. he's led But at the same time, he had one really good year and it wasn't this year.
00:23:51
Grumpy Old Prop
It was it was two years ago, three years ago at this point.
00:23:54
Jarrod Dyke
I think two.
00:23:54
Grumpy Old Prop
i Honestly, i don't remember which. um Okay, two years ago. Cool. um But he was not good this year for the Blues. So it's just kind of like they must be...
00:24:03
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:24:07
Grumpy Old Prop
other guys must be hurt at this point.
00:24:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's the only thing I can accept. I think I would have gone...
00:24:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:24:15
Jarrod Dyke
Like, it when push comes to shove, I think I'd have Leo Willey out there and not Parker. And...
00:24:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:24:22
Jarrod Dyke
that's based That's both based on form and just ability.
00:24:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Definitely. Yeah, I mean, i think this was a check out some guys.
00:24:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:24:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, switch it over. um Cariffi, who's who i call it he played a hell of a game, though. um Yeah, Parker was kind of mad. I think this was like little bit of an extended look at Parker to see what he could do.
00:24:44
Grumpy Old Prop
And I i don't know. I wasn't that impressed. I think. Yeah.
00:24:47
Jarrod Dyke
There's not much. Yeah.
00:24:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:24:49
Jarrod Dyke
he'll he's one He will be someone that is like five, six guys down the depth chart when they're really looking at like true guys that should be playing for this team.
00:24:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:24:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like he's, he's looking at, he's probably a bubble at best right now for the world cup squad. But at the same time, now you can't, he can't say at this point that he didn't get a look.
00:25:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause he got a good solid look and there's better guys out there, but that's what you like.
00:25:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you got a lot of time this this November here. I was... Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah.
00:25:19
Grumpy Old Prop
That's what you do.
00:25:19
Jarrod Dyke
Let her rip.
00:25:19
Grumpy Old Prop
That's just why, like, this is why I fucking hate test rugby in general.
00:25:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. You and me both, brother.
00:25:26
Grumpy Old Prop
But it's also why Razor is one of the best coaches, period. Because he will say, you know what, Parker, like you're you're good enough to be here. Are you good enough to play here?
00:25:40
Grumpy Old Prop
and And I'll give you a shot.
00:25:40
Jarrod Dyke
find out.
00:25:41
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not like he didn't have to see Artie Sevilla in this game. Right? Like there's some guys who are...
00:25:46
Jarrod Dyke
We know he has.
00:25:48
Grumpy Old Prop
What's up?
00:25:49
Jarrod Dyke
We know what he has. since i That's not a mystery.
00:25:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like, you don't need to see, you don't need to Bowdoin, Barrett, even, you know, however, whatever his health level, you can play a Rico Ioani. Like, okay, do you still have it at this level? Even a little bit? Like, can I put you in a game? if you know, in the world cup, if guys get hurt and I have to throw you out there, can I, it came away with a try. So it's like okay, we can work around with that. um Like there's things you need to know about your team.
00:26:11
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:26:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And if you just play the same fucking lineup, you don't get anything out of it. And, and that's what I really like that, that razor did this, you know, um this session and he's trying think like he doesn't do you think I mean yeah them there's a there's a pride thing about it but I think he's he's thinking more long term big picture and I don't think enough coaches do that
00:26:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. George Bell got to run this, this November, which was good for them.
00:26:40
Grumpy Old Prop
the
00:26:41
Jarrod Dyke
i was really glad to see Ruben love out there. I think he needs again, more, more time.
00:26:44
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah finished a sweet try too
00:26:48
Jarrod Dyke
let's not forget. yeah People that, people that are shitting on these guys and then even Kiwis are shitting on, on themselves. Let's not forget. There's a guy coming back next year.
00:27:01
Jarrod Dyke
His name is Richie Mwanga.
00:27:03
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Yeah.
00:27:04
Jarrod Dyke
He's going to, he's going to make a difference. He is going to make a difference.
00:27:06
Grumpy Old Prop
A little bit. A little bit.
00:27:08
Jarrod Dyke
He's going to make a difference. He was definitely the best 10, not playing international rugby, like anywhere.
00:27:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. okay
00:27:16
Jarrod Dyke
anywhere so that that's going to be only good news for them
00:27:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Even better than Finn Smith.
00:27:25
Jarrod Dyke
yeah why he didn't get a run don't know um okay let's let's get let's skip over to dublin i know ben let's just skip this one too ah um so we ben and i talked off um off the pod before this we're both in agreement that
00:27:28
Grumpy Old Prop
beautiful yeah Let's go. let's keep Enough of that shit.
00:27:45
Jarrod Dyke
Things were not consistent on Carly in terms of the cards dealt out and the decisions that were made. So we can put that to bed. um And then ah i and I know there were some ticky tack things that people had issued with Carly. And I, and i know the big thing was the cards.
00:28:04
Jarrod Dyke
I still throw, I still throw Ireland into the deep end on this one and say, what did you do to help yourself?
00:28:05
Grumpy Old Prop
okay
00:28:13
Jarrod Dyke
And the answer is, Not enough at the minimum. At the minimum, it's not enough. I think you're looking at... You're you're playing the defending world champs. like Why are you... Filling around with... Shots at goal.
00:28:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:28:33
Jarrod Dyke
And...
00:28:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:28:34
Jarrod Dyke
yeah yeah think like Think about that passenger period where people were pissed off at Carly and whatever. Where... The Springboks just kept the pressure on Ireland.
00:28:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:28:47
Jarrod Dyke
Where was Ireland doing that to the Springboks? Were they? The answer is no, they weren't.
00:28:54
Jarrod Dyke
You know, they had their tails up and they were like, yeah, let's go for three. It's like, really? You're, you're, you have the momentum. Uncle Mo has come to visit your dugout and said, let's go.
00:28:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:29:01
Grumpy Old Prop
hey
00:29:04
Jarrod Dyke
And you decide to kick him out by kicking three. Like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
00:29:12
Grumpy Old Prop
It's that, again, that same test rugby mentality that we'll talk about in another game later.
00:29:15
Jarrod Dyke
i'm I'm in agreement, yeah.
00:29:16
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, oh, just take the points, take the points, build the scoreboard. It doesn't, that's not, that's not how this game is played.
00:29:23
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:29:23
Grumpy Old Prop
This game is played by putting the ball down on and in the end goal area, but not by kicking through fucking posts. um
00:29:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:29:31
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, you can do that occasionally, or if it's like a decisive score, like if you're up five, that's a difference than when you're down,
00:29:40
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:29:42
Grumpy Old Prop
what was it, 14 or whatever it was at the time. Like...
00:29:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I think it was.
00:29:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, just not not what we do.
00:29:51
Jarrod Dyke
You went from two-score game to a two-score game.
00:29:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Two score didn't...
00:29:54
Jarrod Dyke
Not only two scores, you still need two fucking tries, you idiots.
00:29:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Yeah.
00:29:59
Jarrod Dyke
Like, dude, that's third-grade math.
00:30:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, you're down 12. Sorry, they were they were down...
00:30:02
Jarrod Dyke
What are you doing?
00:30:03
Grumpy Old Prop
They were down 12 and they get up to, oh, down we're down only down 9. And then... And then...
00:30:09
Jarrod Dyke
please.
00:30:10
Grumpy Old Prop
then yeah Sasha scores a try. shouldn't have been the field but he still scores a try. And now you're down 14. Now you're down 14. And then you kick a... that And then you never see anything again.
00:30:24
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:30:25
Jarrod Dyke
And this is this is my thing with, and this is my thing when it comes to like cards. I'm so i'm sorry, I'm cutting you off. But my when when it comes to cards, you can piss and moan about them all day long.
00:30:25
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Just...
00:30:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:37
Jarrod Dyke
But in and in the moment, you're going to get heated and you're going mad and fine. But in the end, looking back, you always have to say, did you raise your game or did you stay level comma slash drop?
00:30:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:30:48
Jarrod Dyke
And did the other team raise their game? or did they stay low and drop? And if the answer is both teams raise their game, wonderful. We have we have rugby, red cards don't ruin games per usual, but here we are again.
00:30:57
Grumpy Old Prop
who
00:30:59
Jarrod Dyke
If either went either way, then you know you have your answers as to where things went sideways. It's not a hard thing to figure out. You don't need to watch much tape, honestly.
00:31:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but at the and the same time, though, this is... okay um It's just the you know the opposite of what we were talking about with New Zealand. And I realize you're playing the number one, so you want to put your best squad out there. But is James Ryan really your best four?
00:31:29
Grumpy Old Prop
seems to be your best lock. Like...
00:31:29
Jarrod Dyke
He shouldn't be, and I know McCarthy is not healthy was not healthy for this game. I don't care. you have
00:31:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Like finds... Like, yeah.
00:31:40
Jarrod Dyke
you've You've drafted Kean Pendergast on the bench, which means you're planning on moving Baird into the second row already. Just do that.
00:31:47
Jarrod Dyke
Just do that. yeah Do that anyway.
00:31:47
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah and if you want to have orion on the bench in case he in case he takes a shit in case prenegrass takes a shit okay you that's that's fine because you can be like you know what 20 minutes in it wasn't working
00:32:02
Grumpy Old Prop
he was He was being abused. Guess what? That same thing happened anyway with with Ryan in there. So why not give someone else an opportunity instead of playing that game? Like this is...
00:32:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Two years from now, will anybody give a fuck that Ireland won or lost to South Africa in this game? And will really anybody give a fuck that South Africa won or lost this game? No.
00:32:26
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:32:27
Grumpy Old Prop
like that Ireland got, got again, Farrow got caught in that trap. Of, i like, and even, you know, putting Aki out there. Give ah give me a fucking break, dude.
00:32:38
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Yeah, agreed.
00:32:40
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:32:41
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed.
00:32:42
Grumpy Old Prop
could find Like, this is where you play new people. this is This is it. This is where you say, hey, I know my guys before have struggled in this, so putting the same thing out there, you know you're what's going to happen anyway.
00:32:55
Grumpy Old Prop
You kind of deserve it.
00:32:56
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:32:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Like...
00:32:59
Grumpy Old Prop
and and it didn't work out.
00:33:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:33:00
Grumpy Old Prop
And what what do you learn from this? what What value did you get from this game? Oh, then I will say, you know, Prender, good Sam, and um and Crowley got some valuable experience, although they also got some valuable naughty step experience, but that's great.
00:33:12
Jarrod Dyke
the both of them did ah oh man
00:33:15
Grumpy Old Prop
But like James Lowe, Bundy Aki. i
00:33:20
Jarrod Dyke
i'm glad tommy o'brien's out there at least i think he looks like he's gonna be hanging on to a spot for a little while so that's good news at at the minimum yeah and and while the spring box didn't they've toyed with their lineup throughout so i i you know i'll say that the one person we don't we haven't seen yet knock on wood willie la rue thank god um
00:33:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. Yes, it is. um
00:33:43
Jarrod Dyke
and they and they have their And they have other guys that they're rolling through in certain positions. And some guys, they I think they're midfield.
00:33:48
Grumpy Old Prop
hu
00:33:50
Jarrod Dyke
They need to start rejigging too because I'm not sure DDA and Creel are the ones that going last.
00:33:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:56
Jarrod Dyke
I know they've got the hooker guy, but maybe they see him more as a wing than a center.
00:33:56
Grumpy Old Prop
They're not, yeah.
00:34:02
Jarrod Dyke
But I think like yeah i think he can play midfield too. So we'll see we'll see how that goes.
00:34:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:34:06
Jarrod Dyke
that's you know there There is some criticism to throw at Razzie for that too. But he also still is finding different combinations. he's giving Grant Williams more time. He's thrown he's he's thrown faff to the bin. He's like, yeah don't need you no more, dude. We're up we're done with you.
00:34:22
Jarrod Dyke
um Obviously, Sasha has been rolling through as the preferred 10. Yeah, I'm glad to see Keenan Moody back out there. That's another guy I was hoping to see sometime soon again. i know he played a little bit in the rugby championship, but there there are some, like Manny Lubach is another guy that,
00:34:40
Jarrod Dyke
I know he played the last World Cup, but still, like, he's continuing to get run and not just getting thrown away.
00:34:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:44
Jarrod Dyke
I think there's there's goods and bads, again, with Razzie.
00:34:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:48
Jarrod Dyke
But also, like, he's he still found a te he still got a team that most people are going to have a hard time beating right now. then
00:34:57
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:34:57
Jarrod Dyke
and and here's And I was thinking about this earlier. Like, here's the thing with South Africa. You want to be mad at them? Fine. Be mad at them. i've had Ben and I have both had moments where we're we're upset with the spring box.
00:35:11
Jarrod Dyke
You need to find a way. If you want them to stop being who they are, you have to match them in the scrum. There's no way around it. And I'm not a scrum enthusiast by any means whatsoever in terms of like we have to have, ah like I hate the new thing that France is doing where you have to feed it. No, hate that.
00:35:28
Jarrod Dyke
Hate that.
00:35:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:35:28
Jarrod Dyke
I'm not looking to have more scrum penalties in my games. But the facts of the matter are, and this is what it is, you have to be able to stand up to them in the scrum. You do not have to be able to kick their ass every time but you can't concede penalty after penalty after penalty. Otherwise what you saw happen to Ireland in that game, but they just get pulverized into an absolute pulp. And then they run around you is what happens.
00:35:51
Jarrod Dyke
And they have the ability to do both, which is terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying. You know, and I, if you want to get mad at them, you got, you got to stop that.
00:36:04
Jarrod Dyke
Like,
00:36:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. and
00:36:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, you're going to have to eat less salads and more and more beef like Ox talks about.
00:36:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:36:10
Jarrod Dyke
That's just how it is. Mm-hmm.
00:36:12
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, there's, there, there, there is a reason that they only play like 40 minutes, you know, like in, in that front row and, you know, the, the locks are hooses obviously because they're South African.
00:36:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:36:30
Grumpy Old Prop
So you just got to deal with it. And, and the fact that there's not, I don't know the scrum.
00:36:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know what the, the, you know, again, i don't, I don't know what that level, what they're, what they're teaching coaching from, from nation to nation, but I don't know. I'm, you shouldn't, you shouldn't be getting beasted like this on the regular and not, and you know, everybody like that. That's a good scrum. I mean, and that's hard to,
00:36:57
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not easy to match, but you've got players who can if they if you trained them right. So that's that's frustrating, especially to me.
00:37:03
Jarrod Dyke
oh totally. Yeah.
00:37:06
Grumpy Old Prop
There's there's a lot of those scrum penalties, you know, um'm I'm always going to back my props is is from the locks, like whether or not they're getting you a proper shove on. And i don't know that we're, you know, training our locks everywhere else to be as
00:37:17
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:37:24
Grumpy Old Prop
really much of that engine room as possible um because no matter what and i'll i'll say this as a prop too yeah if if i get no push i'm going backwards if i get good push we're going forwards so it's like you know can i can i do it by myself if the other team is ass yeah but if they're any anywhere near good i i'll lock them out easy enough no problem but
00:37:47
Jarrod Dyke
No shot.
00:37:50
Grumpy Old Prop
if we're not we're not really going forward unless i get a little bit of shove from behind me so where the hell is that from from some of these other teams and that's funny because that's the departure i know we're talking departure but like south africa's proven you don't have to sacrifice loose play for that so fix your shit
00:37:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you gotta have help.
00:37:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:38:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you can have both. You can have both.
00:38:14
Jarrod Dyke
Um...
00:38:18
Jarrod Dyke
We don't need to talk about Italy, Chile.
00:38:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Not really. okay
00:38:22
Jarrod Dyke
France, Australia. this was This was, you know, this was fun.
00:38:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Fun?
00:38:29
Jarrod Dyke
And the really wild thing is, and people are going to shit on, this is, you know, it's still a little unfortunate. This is Josh Schmidt's last game. I'm pretty sure it is at least. um the the Again, the picture does not reflect how each team played. I thought France did play very well.
00:38:47
Jarrod Dyke
I also thought Shory played very well. They attacked well. They couldn't finish the goddamn thing. That was the problem.
00:38:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:38:52
Jarrod Dyke
Their finishing and their execution was...
00:38:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:38:55
Jarrod Dyke
But their attack, for the most part, was good.
00:38:58
Grumpy Old Prop
But again, look at look at who's out there. ah So this is this is the, like, you know, ad beds out there. Like, that's that's cool. Like, they're not putting, you know, James O'Connor out there.
00:39:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, they did a little bit, but they're putting these young tens out there to say, go, like, earn the job. get better because this is going to be a valuable this going to be valuable for Ed Med and Australia um yeah I know jake Gordon's out at nine but they've also have some injuries to some of their their guys who would be starting um if healthy so you know McDermott's obviously the choice even with a healthy Jake Gordon too but you they're throwing Harry Potter out there and then Dylan Peach and obviously Max Jordan like these are these are quality guys give them a run see what they can do
00:39:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:39:44
Jarrod Dyke
o
00:39:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Stewart didn't get come off the bench, unfortunately, which I thought was kind of dumb.
00:39:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:39:53
Jarrod Dyke
But don't know why you have him if you're not going to use him.
00:39:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, especially because you... Well, I mean, I get Daogun. Yeah, you'd want to... for I just don't know that Sueli was the guy. I thought he was playing a hell of a match, too. um
00:40:06
Jarrod Dyke
I had two.
00:40:07
Grumpy Old Prop
And so I was kind of disappointed that he came out. But, hey.
00:40:10
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed.
00:40:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:40:11
Grumpy Old Prop
It was a...
00:40:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Still, you know, they're they're they're stepping up. It was... it was game You know, just like the other one. it was a game until about 60 minutes. And then, you know, obviously that that there's a little bit of
00:40:21
Jarrod Dyke
Wheels keep.
00:40:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, French are just fucking good. Let's put it that way. A little bit of talent on that French side is where I was going with it.
00:40:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, there is. There is. There isn't. we were We were talking about guys coming through and, you know, I can see some. You see some unfamiliar names on this team or guys that haven't played a ton.
00:40:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:40:41
Jarrod Dyke
Deporter only got his first look during Six Nations last year. He's been given ah an extended run, which is great.
00:40:48
Grumpy Old Prop
I think he's, yeah.
00:40:48
Jarrod Dyke
Montagna, the tight head.
00:40:50
Grumpy Old Prop
And he might be there 13 now going forward. I don't see why he wouldn't be.
00:40:53
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah.
00:40:53
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know who i don't know who and don't know who's in over him, but.
00:40:53
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, he looked great. i dont i wouldn't I couldn't tell you. But, yeah, Montagna. Arado is a newcomer.
00:41:03
Jarrod Dyke
You know, genno Yeah, they they have some names that they're pulling through here, which is great.
00:41:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:41:09
Jarrod Dyke
um In this, you have some steady eddies, but you you have guys that are getting looks for the first time, or you know maybe they got a little bit this summer, but they're...
00:41:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:41:20
Jarrod Dyke
And France tends to send, when they're going especially if they're going to New Zealand or Australia, they tend to send kind of a... a third squad down there to get them experience, which pisses a lot of people off, but it's in the end, it's the smart thing for the front for the sake of the French team.
00:41:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:41:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Pays off.
00:41:39
Jarrod Dyke
So
00:41:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like, yeah, go get your ass kicked. Learn what you're doing wrong. Learn what the speed is at that level, and then we'll fix it when you've got to play with the guys.
00:41:47
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, yeah, I can think of, think it was the Australia tour a few years ago but that we were just coming out of the pandemic. Like, They sent a very changed squad down there and they ended up using a lot of those guys at the following World Cup. So be pissed about it, but also like, I'm sorry, this is, I i think as much as he's ah he's a knucklehead, Gautier's playing chess, y'all are playing checkers.
00:42:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. like then that
00:42:14
Jarrod Dyke
And that says a lot.
00:42:15
Grumpy Old Prop
So there's there's where we are. There's a couple of the, you know, the the the French do it right. Razzie's doing it right. Razor's doing it right.
00:42:27
Grumpy Old Prop
So like, there's are, and those are three of the best teams in the world. Right. So if you're like, you know, you know, also up there, but you know, you're happy to beat one of those teams, but like, you're not going to beat the other.
00:42:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:42:42
Jarrod Dyke
You wonder why you can't go get over the line.
00:42:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And yeah.
00:42:45
Jarrod Dyke
I have the answer for you.
00:42:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and I, you know what, I think Australia is doing it right.
00:42:48
Jarrod Dyke
It's because you're leaning on old heads.
00:42:50
Grumpy Old Prop
I think they're, they're getting it. We'll see. see what happens from here.
00:42:53
Jarrod Dyke
They'll get better.
00:42:54
Grumpy Old Prop
But there this is a team that's very young.
00:42:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, i I think they will turn the corner next year. I think they'll turn turn the corner next year and there'll be good things that happen.
00:42:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I mean
00:43:00
Jarrod Dyke
I i don't... ah is It's one of the... It's Kiss that's taking over the Reds guy, isn't it?
00:43:07
Grumpy Old Prop
mean. Oh, that's right.
00:43:09
Jarrod Dyke
ah So, okay.
00:43:09
Grumpy Old Prop
I like him too.
00:43:10
Jarrod Dyke
So there's good there's good things coming. There's good things coming.
00:43:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:43:13
Jarrod Dyke
That's good. Yeah, I like him a lot. um
00:43:19
Jarrod Dyke
Scotland Tonga. Scotland didn't perform. Enough said.
00:43:23
Grumpy Old Prop
no Scotland they had an American problem where the guy who broke the line decided oh I'm gonna be the one to finish it even though he's running into like three guys and his his friends wide open and it's like no I'm gonna keep it like dude at this level we pass the ball like that's what makes you great um and you know I left it was still 21 nothing I had to go grocery shopping so um
00:43:35
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:43:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:43:51
Grumpy Old Prop
that took precedent over watching the the rest, but I was, I was kind of pleasantly surprised to see that, that the floodgates open because it just looked like Scotland were content to just have a fuck around.
00:43:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I mean, I get that.
00:44:01
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:44:01
Jarrod Dyke
yeah they they couldn't get out of their own way.
00:44:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And it's like, just throw, like throw the last pass. Cause that's, that's, that's, you know, not the extra pass throw the last pass.
00:44:08
Jarrod Dyke
A number
00:44:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause there's one, you need one more to win this there to get this try.
00:44:12
Jarrod Dyke
of them.
00:44:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Go get it. And yeah. they didn't They didn't do a good job of that, and I didn't see who scored late, but... Oh, what the fuck?
00:44:26
Jarrod Dyke
number of them
00:44:27
Grumpy Old Prop
This whole thing is... Oh, there we go. Finally snapped into place. um
00:44:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Was not happy to see Fergus Burke look ouchy, but happy to see him go for a nice long run after that.
00:44:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:44:42
Grumpy Old Prop
So, okay, he's all right.
00:44:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's sad. That originally or ah worried me, and then he ended up running it off.
00:44:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:44:48
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, never never mind. Not worried about it.
00:44:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no. And I'm like, he's fine. He's fine. He's fine. Like, if I say it enough, maybe it'll be true.
00:44:56
Jarrod Dyke
but mean Maybe we'll speak into existence. Yeah.
00:45:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:45:04
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:45:07
Jarrod Dyke
i don't want to spend too much time on this this next game, but we'll have to spend a decent amount on it, unfortunately.
00:45:13
Grumpy Old Prop
At least a little bit. I i don't know. Just.
00:45:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Like. um if if Argentina was even present in the first half, um they win this game because England did not play well.
00:45:31
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:45:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And I'm also just sick of England's shit at this point. they're They're killing my love for international rugby with, like, because they don't even fucking play rugby.
00:45:35
Jarrod Dyke
Same.
00:45:39
Grumpy Old Prop
It's so funny theyre that even the comms are like, oh, yeah, you know, some of these other teams like to play rugby. England just like the high bonds. Like...
00:45:47
Grumpy Old Prop
You see, like, when even Oz is, like, taking shots at you guys for avoiding playing the game.
00:45:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, maybe have a think on that. Because I want to see these guys run. I want to see Ben Earl running down the field because he does it really well. And I don't really want to see Elliott Daly because he doesn't do that. i don't want to see Henry Slade because he doesn't do that.
00:46:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I got to say, like, and and even the, what, the two tries that were scored, um like, Ojoomo basically did everything.
00:46:25
Grumpy Old Prop
So, like, Ojoomo, like, that chip to Fehiwa Boso.
00:46:25
Jarrod Dyke
Did the work, yeah.
00:46:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:46:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Fucking behave. Because, you know, that he he's not, you know, again, Ford's supposed to be the one who's capable of doing that, but all literally all he can do is the high ball and then a drop goal that may or may not go through.
00:46:47
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:46:49
Jarrod Dyke
Ugh.
00:46:50
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm just... They don't even try... Like, that's the thing. He doesn't even try to unlock a defense. He's just like, oh, I think I can get the three from here, so I'll just take it. don't know. I'm just not... I'm so fucking unimpressed.
00:47:02
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:47:07
Jarrod Dyke
Who would you say made the difference against New Zealand for England when he came on?
00:47:14
Grumpy Old Prop
um Well, Paula kind of helped finish that game off.
00:47:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, but even before that, when Freddie got hurt.
00:47:18
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:47:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, Marcus. Oh, that was a major change. Marcus came on and suddenly that offense, was that attack was actually like attacking, you know, even without, you know, Ford doing what he does, but it's like, okay, if they got the ball, leaving to Marcus or like near him, good shit was happening.
00:47:38
Jarrod Dyke
don't Don't know why he didn't come
00:47:42
Grumpy Old Prop
i but you know this is i don't So again, going back to what we said with Ireland, like what the fuck are we learning from playing George Ford in this game? Because he's not your he can't be your guy at the World Cup because that's just a recipe for utter failure.
00:47:50
Jarrod Dyke
on.
00:47:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Or certainly you're not winning it. Let's put it that way. might you You might sneak a win in the quarterfinals. You might even sneak a win in the semis because they did it to to New Zealand and before getting just bullied off the park.
00:48:11
Grumpy Old Prop
by a team that will is is willing to play rugby.
00:48:11
Jarrod Dyke
ah south africa Yeah.
00:48:13
Grumpy Old Prop
So like you're going to, at some point, here's the other thing that, that, that from just from a philosophical standpoint, if you have a plan, a and that's your only plan, eventually someone's going to be like, okay, this is their plan.
00:48:13
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:48:27
Grumpy Old Prop
A we're going to devise a way to to take that away. And you're not going to show it at this point. You're going to wait till the, till, you know, certainly much closer to the world cup and probably not going to work it against England. So they can see what you're going to do.
00:48:41
Grumpy Old Prop
And as soon as somebody like is like, yeah, we're just going to make sure, like, the the whole thing is chaos. We're going to kick a high ball. And if the ball bounces right, maybe we'll score. And it's like, eventually someone's just going to be like, okay, we're going to figure out how to draw draw.
00:48:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Because even on one of those kicks, I thought Faye Woboso should have, you know, and that other thing, it's how ah the hell is it officiated? Faye Woboso, thought, should have been penalized at least for the charge in the air, or a challenge in the air.
00:49:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:49:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Like,
00:49:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Brissette's ass.
00:49:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, there's no.
00:49:14
Jarrod Dyke
Brissette and Ramos brought the ass about French refereeing back in this weekend, I will say that.
00:49:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, well, yeah, that was funny because it was funny because England were getting all the calls first half and then Argentina got all the calls second half. So it was kind of it evened out in the end. But yeah, very French and the game almost evened out like this is a game that England should have had going away.
00:49:27
Jarrod Dyke
Very French. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha.
00:49:34
Grumpy Old Prop
But because you also don't have any sort of attack at all.
00:49:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:49:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Once you have the lead, you don't do a good job defending it because you don't have any concept of how to run with ball in hand. You don't have any momentum built. And that's why it's it's easy for teams to come back like that. If they just start, if passes go to hand, if, um, you know, they actually catch those high balls and then, you know, really just work your defense because England defense isn't like fantastic either.
00:50:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Like there's, there's ways to win this game.
00:50:03
Jarrod Dyke
Some people will be offended by that. over it.
00:50:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, um,
00:50:08
Jarrod Dyke
get over it
00:50:09
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, like, ultimately, like, we didn't need to see Daly. We didn't need to see Slate. you like You don't need... what do you see What is the point of having these players play this game? Like, what did you lose by winning this game?
00:50:20
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's great that, that you know, Pollock still gets it's a bit of a run. Like, do you need to see... Why is Tom Curry on this team? And how does Marcus not even get off the bat? Like, I just can't.
00:50:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, what...
00:50:34
Jarrod Dyke
This is why international rugby is going to die.
00:50:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:50:36
Jarrod Dyke
At least at the men's level.
00:50:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Because what the fuck? What are we watching here? this was This was a terrible display of just a ah ah potentially great rugby match.
00:50:47
Grumpy Old Prop
It just, yeah, kills it. That's why I'm i'm so happy club rugby is coming back because the teams actually try to play. um
00:50:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, most teams try at least.
00:50:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And also the team that plays like that in, you know, club play, they don't do that well.
00:51:05
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Generally.
00:51:06
Grumpy Old Prop
So even in the prem, like, you know, I know right now Exeter is in in in and third right now.
00:51:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:51:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, we we kind of went over that. They they haven't played anybody yet.
00:51:17
Jarrod Dyke
They played nobody.
00:51:19
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah. And Sale, I can't, for some reason, the standings page isn't loading.
00:51:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:51:26
Grumpy Old Prop
So I know Sale are towards the bottom. So it's like, can we, hmm.
00:51:30
Jarrod Dyke
Sales on 12 right now. They're in 7th.
00:51:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, not not great.
00:51:41
Jarrod Dyke
All
00:51:41
Grumpy Old Prop
So yeah, I can't, but either way, can't wait. Want that to start. I'm done with, lu with, with that.
00:51:46
Jarrod Dyke
right. Yeah, we're we're getting there.
00:51:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Any superlatives to hand out for the weekend?
00:51:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Let me go back to the.
00:52:02
Jarrod Dyke
mean, Tom Rogers has got get thrown out there, obviously.
00:52:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. Tom Rogers hat trick.
00:52:05
Jarrod Dyke
We talked about him.
00:52:06
Grumpy Old Prop
That's, that's, that's pretty awesome. Um,
00:52:11
Grumpy Old Prop
I thought, oh shoot.
00:52:11
Jarrod Dyke
the The Newcastle 9 from Argentina, Benitez Cruz.
00:52:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:16
Jarrod Dyke
think I think overall for the November window, he had a really good window, so good for him.
00:52:17
Grumpy Old Prop
He played.
00:52:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um Shoot, where was I? No, nobody from Scotland. Come on, you should have crushed that game. um
00:52:27
Jarrod Dyke
Scotland needed to do what they needed to do.
00:52:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:30
Jarrod Dyke
End of story.
00:52:33
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, no. i'm i Really not much to to speak of. thought the i thought the
00:52:39
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:52:40
Grumpy Old Prop
you know i Well, yeah, we'll go we'll we'll go past it. What's the next one?
00:52:47
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:52:50
Jarrod Dyke
Young player. ah I think it's a drama.
00:52:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, certainly Jomo. Oh, yeah.
00:52:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:52:57
Grumpy Old Prop
He crushed it.
00:52:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:52:58
Grumpy Old Prop
they Actually, somebody who wanted to play rugby for frank England, it was it was good to see, and and just forcing it to happen. so Despite all the shit around him
00:53:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. You guys don't want to, but I'm going to make it happen anyway.
00:53:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I have no, right.
00:53:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:53:09
Grumpy Old Prop
We have, we have no real, we have one, one attacking threat in the back three. um Actually. then And then me other than that, from, from, from eight out.
00:53:19
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:53:20
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:53:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause you know, as much as we love, as much as we love Ben Spencer, who actually his high balls were excellent. And I think they were the ones that were more helpful anyway than Ford's, but that's just, that's just me. um But why you would want, why we would want to a nine and a 10 who really can only kick a high ball.
00:53:30
Jarrod Dyke
Just throwing that very England.
00:53:37
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, that put, that that didn't make it easy, didn't make it easy on a Jomo and he did the most with it. So really good on him.
00:53:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it says a lot. Agreed.
00:53:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, rubs can all pound sand. Yeah,
00:53:56
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, coach of the week.
00:54:00
Grumpy Old Prop
um I am going to have to give it to, hold on, let me make sure I get the name right. Because I've had a couple pops here.
00:54:12
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Wait, where were we? Where'd you say? Who'd you say? Who's the Argentinian coach? um
00:54:18
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, cunt upon me.
00:54:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Conteponi. Yeah, it's Conteponi for fucking standing up for his player after a ah definitely a dirty hit. And um yeah, I think
00:54:30
Jarrod Dyke
Most overrated player in a national rugby anyway.
00:54:32
Grumpy Old Prop
absolutely absolutely provide that's what that's what he brings to the table is i'm just gonna smash somebody if it's late it's late um yeah i saw i saw also saw clips of was it ben young's and dan cole saying he's just telling them he's there and it's like they're like not to sound like these old guys it's like well that's that's who you are
00:54:39
Jarrod Dyke
He's a cunt. I fucking hate him anyway, so whatever.
00:54:53
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Good job. You already did.
00:54:57
Grumpy Old Prop
um and I know you're not that old, but at the same time, you're those old men who really that's all you know how to do anyway.
00:54:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. i'm
00:55:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I will say there was, i think they messed up and the the officials messed up shocker, the the French. um And maybe ah and maybe um' the things have changed or I'm misremembering, but I believe Cruz Malia should have been replaced.
00:55:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:55:15
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe he was, and I didn't see it.
00:55:17
Grumpy Old Prop
He wasn't. No, they couldn't. um And.
00:55:19
Jarrod Dyke
ah So he should have been able to be replaced because late hit foul play, yes?
00:55:26
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm not sure. is that does it So that's my question. is Does it have to rise to the level of a yellow card for it to be foul play?
00:55:31
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:55:31
Grumpy Old Prop
like
00:55:32
Jarrod Dyke
No, it just has to be foul play.
00:55:32
Grumpy Old Prop
um Then yeah, it should.
00:55:33
Jarrod Dyke
Because because ah a high tackle would be considered foul play, even if it wasn't a card-worthy high tackle.
00:55:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:55:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:55:38
Jarrod Dyke
So...
00:55:39
Grumpy Old Prop
But also at a high tackle, they'd go HIA.
00:55:39
Jarrod Dyke
so
00:55:41
Grumpy Old Prop
so there's it's I think that's where they pooped the bed. Where they were like, oh, well, it's not an HIA. So you can't... I don't know.
00:55:47
Jarrod Dyke
No. So anybody that hit picks up an injury as a result of foul play can be replaced, even if they have no subs left out.
00:55:48
Grumpy Old Prop
But...
00:55:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:55:57
Jarrod Dyke
Like, they they've used all their subs.
00:55:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:55:59
Jarrod Dyke
That's the last I knew. Maybe I'm wrong, and i've told and they've changed things. But last I knew, that was the possibility. But, you know, the P.M. Brousset sucks. So I'm not shocked that you didn't fucking know that, if that's the case.
00:56:10
Jarrod Dyke
So um anyway, so I thought they fucked that up.
00:56:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:56:15
Jarrod Dyke
ah Try the week.
00:56:21
Grumpy Old Prop
For me, it was that that Max Jorgensen try.
00:56:25
Jarrod Dyke
Nice. Yes. I love that. I love that. i was like, yes, come on, baby. Come on, baby. And he got it.
00:56:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:56:30
Jarrod Dyke
i was like, yeah, ah boy.
00:56:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Although, there were yeah, and though there were there were a few from that game, the deportation was was was also tasty.
00:56:36
Jarrod Dyke
was quite good. Yep.
00:56:38
Grumpy Old Prop
The Billy Bra all the fucking well, which deportation. I think it was the second one. um But the the billie B.R.A. try was just fucking out running motherfuckers, chipping it, chasing it like fuck you.
00:56:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. I was like, oh boy.
00:56:49
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going to beat you to the to the ball in the.
00:56:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, as soon as he got into space, I was like, that's bad news.
00:56:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:54
Jarrod Dyke
And you're all trouble. um a Player of the week. I guess we could get through referee of the week.
00:57:02
Grumpy Old Prop
that's where I was going to go with it. Yeah,
00:57:03
Jarrod Dyke
We get throw to Holly Davidson, by the way. I forget completely forgot about that.
00:57:05
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah no credit.
00:57:06
Jarrod Dyke
I'm done.
00:57:07
Grumpy Old Prop
That's done. Um, it was not you, Matt Carley.
00:57:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, player of the week.
00:57:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, my play of the week was, was Max Jomo though, for being a bright spot of a team that just didn't want to do anything.
00:57:14
Jarrod Dyke
There you go
00:57:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, love the way he plays. We played in a fantasy league with that guy not so long ago, but, uh,
00:57:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Good lad.
00:57:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. ah we' And obviously that that's, you know, we've we've liked him since even before then. So.
00:57:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been fans of that guy for a while. um I mean, Dick of the Week could be a few. i will say that. Dick of the Week could be a few people. Yeah.
00:57:44
Grumpy Old Prop
I just want to say Matt Carly, because even for like, he didn't like getting shouted at, so he reversed a penalty or something that like he was just a cunt the whole game. Yeah.
00:57:53
Jarrod Dyke
He, you know, he's a really good referee usually, usually. And days when he wasn't, he was like this. This is what he was like when he wasn't this good.
00:58:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:03
Jarrod Dyke
This is what he was usually like. And he was extremely difficult to work with. And those the those were the days I a remember of Matt Carley. Now, at day like the last year or two, he's been exceptional. He's up there with one of the best ones in the world now.
00:58:17
Jarrod Dyke
But even the best ones have dog shit day. And this was his.
00:58:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:21
Jarrod Dyke
and you and And when he's dog shit, he's a total asshole. no No question about it.
00:58:25
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:58:25
Jarrod Dyke
Like, he is extreme. Again, just someone you don't even want to give the time of day to.
00:58:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:58:32
Jarrod Dyke
That's how it is.
00:58:36
Jarrod Dyke
All right. um Okay. We got Pick'em. Back to Pick'em.
00:58:43
Grumpy Old Prop
We're back to pick them. Holy shit.
00:58:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we're back to Pick'em.
00:58:47
Grumpy Old Prop
We get back to the fuck.
00:58:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Sale and Exeter.
00:58:53
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's it's that AJ Bell, right?
00:58:55
Jarrod Dyke
It's at. Yeah, it's up in.
00:58:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Or whatever.
00:58:57
Jarrod Dyke
It's up in Salvard.
00:58:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, um I'm going with sale.
00:58:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:59:02
Jarrod Dyke
Same.
00:59:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Because i've all it's Exeter away from home, so...
00:59:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Exeter away isn't usually bad anyway. um
00:59:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And sale at home is really fucking tough, so...
00:59:11
Jarrod Dyke
It's annoying as hell. Yeah, agreed. Newcastle and Leicester.
00:59:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Ah, Leinster. Or Leinster, sorry.
00:59:18
Jarrod Dyke
Careful there.
00:59:19
Grumpy Old Prop
the
00:59:20
Jarrod Dyke
That's that's next week.
00:59:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Wait, which which team at those is better right now?
00:59:26
Jarrod Dyke
Say what?
00:59:27
Grumpy Old Prop
i did So, I did make sure my... ah um the The Irish... very Irish from Ireland, even captain or like president of the BU club.
00:59:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I made sure he knew that the Browns have more wins than Leinster this season today. He was not happy. He's like, you're kicking him in while he's down.
00:59:43
Jarrod Dyke
Ouch.
00:59:45
Grumpy Old Prop
That's not fair. Like, yeah.
00:59:46
Jarrod Dyke
but
00:59:50
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, lost for Quinns.
00:59:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Quinn's. I just don't trust Gloucester.
00:59:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, same.
00:59:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Although. Yeah.
00:59:59
Jarrod Dyke
Marcus didn't play last week. I see no reason why he won't.
00:59:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Because now is everybody going to be on So here's to the question.
01:00:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Is there going to be rest? Because they got to get ready for for Champions Cup. They're going to need a full team run out.
01:00:07
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe yes, maybe no.
01:00:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:00:10
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe yes, maybe no.
01:00:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Although.
01:00:11
Jarrod Dyke
Quinns are an eight. They need points.
01:00:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And Marcus didn't even play. So throw him back in there.
01:00:16
Jarrod Dyke
No, that's that's kind of my thing, like.
01:00:16
Grumpy Old Prop
So yeah, Quinz.
01:00:18
Jarrod Dyke
and i don't And I'm sure the teams have been a little bit flip-flopped here and there for the Prem Cup. But yeah, no, no, no.
01:00:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:00:23
Jarrod Dyke
I think i think they'll put they'll put the good stuff out there.
01:00:27
Jarrod Dyke
ah Bristol-Northampton.
01:00:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:00:32
Grumpy Old Prop
gotta go saints they're they're healthy for the most part um i'm guessing um slights will be back by now even if if i don't know where if freeman's hurt i i i kind of missed that um i'm sure there was a very good reason why daily was starting instead of him um yeah there was there was some sarcasm there i hit it way too well i apologize um
01:00:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I hope so.
01:00:52
Jarrod Dyke
better have been. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.
01:00:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:01:04
Grumpy Old Prop
ah But yeah. that yeah Bristol. ah you know Obviously I love Bristol. i just
01:01:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Not this game.
01:01:14
Jarrod Dyke
No. Saracen's Bath. Sunday.
01:01:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Bath. I don't like saying it.
01:01:20
Jarrod Dyke
I will be
01:01:21
Grumpy Old Prop
I just had to rip that bandaid off.
01:01:23
Jarrod Dyke
I know. I will be the first person jumping up and down through the roof if we pull this off.
01:01:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
01:01:28
Jarrod Dyke
But the path are good. so We could. And we might. But it'll be tough.
01:01:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, well, that's where it is.
01:01:37
Jarrod Dyke
It's going to be a tough game.
01:01:39
Grumpy Old Prop
It's going to be a challenge. That's a good squad that's deep, too.
01:01:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:01:44
Grumpy Old Prop
And Finn didn't play last week, so he'll he'll go right back in.
01:01:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No. No, we did not. So he'll be rested. I'm sure he's going to get chucked right back in.
01:01:49
Grumpy Old Prop
And Fergus did play. so But that's his his one game, so he's fine.
01:01:52
Jarrod Dyke
he's a little beat up.
01:01:55
Grumpy Old Prop
He won't be that beat up. he's in He's in proper games, maybe.
01:01:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, his his injury, his his beat upness will be just of ah of a game nature, not like he's super tired, because yeah, you're right, he didn't play a lot otherwise.
01:02:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:02:06
Jarrod Dyke
um Okay, so there's that. We are going to jump over to the fancy corner again. who yeah. So if you're going to join us over there, we'll see you there. If not, enjoy the return to club rugby this weekend. Thanks a lot for listening to us, everyone, and enjoy your weekend. Have a good one, and um My fellow Americans, happy Thanksgiving to you all.
01:02:25
Jarrod Dyke
Have one, everyone.
01:02:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:02:27
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.