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Jarrod Dyke: Hey everyone, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm Ben Glauser.
Jarrod Dyke: Let's go to return. we yeah We bagged last week, mostly because I was just in a really pissy mood, but besides the point. um Anyway, let's crack them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: i was looking I've been looking forward to this one today.
Grumpy Old Prop: Me too, to be honest.
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Jarrod Dyke: um Make sure that you buy our good friend George the Fantasy Rugby Geek a coffee or beer, however you wish to see it. We are out of international play, which means we're going back into club play, and we're going to also kick off a new competition in a couple weeks here.
Jarrod Dyke: So the man's busy, and he's doing he's doing damn good work.
Grumpy Old Prop: o
Jarrod Dyke: So, you know, help him out. Help him out just little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: KK. All right. ah As always, there is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should they be in sports or in life.
Grumpy Old Prop: I want to talk about something that may not have reached over international
Grumpy Old Prop: um news outlets because I mean there's so much to report on in the US that yeah um how much do you really want to focus on us we fucking suck um but I wanted to acknowledge the life of Amber Cech who um seemed like just a really cool chill person um and worked in
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, you know, blue collar job, um manufacturing company and in, in, um, Minnesota, you know, just a good fucking salt of the earth type gal. And, uh, her coworker who had been like harassing her and being mean to her. I don't know in what capacity other than I know she's filed complaints, but like he's made threats against her. So I don't think it was, yeah who knows what type of either way. Um, he grabbed a sledgehammer and just bludgeoned her to death.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, out of nowhere. He just saw she was in and said, all right, today's the day. And just what the fuck?
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: um there's There's, there's so many men out there who just hate women and feel like it's okay to do this.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like I, like, I guess the, it's weird. Like the longer I'm in this world, the less I understand how people like that can still exist. Like, not that I could before, but it's like, we're,
Grumpy Old Prop: Fucking 2025. Get the fuck over it. Like...
Grumpy Old Prop: For no reason.
Jarrod Dyke: those I think those types have have like serious issues stemming back to childhood.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, nobody has a reason. He just...
Jarrod Dyke: And I'm not a doctor or anything like that here. But I think they just have serious issues going back to childhood where they couldn't get what they wanted, including whatever whatever woman they wanted.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So they resorted to things that pieces of shit like this resort to to yeah get their quote-unquote action.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And...
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, that's the thing. I'm not even sure this was like he wanted her or it because I'm not sure she was would be the type to be interested in him. um but i don't know.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, Jesus.
Grumpy Old Prop: i'm just making iday I'm just like based on what I've seen and heard that like I think he just didn't like her lifestyle or something like that. You know, it was a.
Jarrod Dyke: oh Oh, okay. Yeah, I know.
Grumpy Old Prop: of Very much like I'm not sure which way it went, but he did not like her.
Jarrod Dyke: I see where we're going.
Grumpy Old Prop: This was not a she said no to him. I think this was a, I just don't like you.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, okay. Now I understand. Now I understand.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay. Yeah, yeah and but those people tend to... those types of people tend to be repressing what is probably some sort of less than straight desire, you know, as we think of straight in the, in the norm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And they, because they've been, they've had, you know, the Bible nailed into their head three ways from, from Sunday.
Grumpy Old Prop: hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: ha
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: They're, they, they just have it in their head that they can't be this way. So nobody else can be this way. Well, so they, they see it as like almost a punish, like, because I can't be that way, even though that's how I want to be, you shouldn't be able to be either.
Jarrod Dyke: And maybe I'm way off base here, but people like that, that's usually what it is.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And it's not totally, it's not entirely on the ball, on the button, but there's some, there's at least some element of truth to that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Usually. Yeah. That's it obviously a general generalization and every, every situation is and an incident and, piece of crap is different, but yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. but ultimately like there's no need for any of this.
Jarrod Dyke: So,
Grumpy Old Prop: And, um, also if you see something to say something, if you have, there is an issue, um, raise it, like, don't just sit on the sidelines.
Jarrod Dyke: please.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, again, words will trend, you know, not every, and not in every case, but words can translate to actions. And, um,
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it's not good. The company knew how bad this was and did not. There's just so much wrong with this case. Overall, it should it should never have gotten this far. It should never come to this. but
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: So point of that's the whole point of this is is step in and try to fix things when you can before they go way wrong.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed. Really fucked up.
Jarrod Dyke: a Yeah, please.
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Grumpy Old Prop: I have... i'm i'm halfway through the prime season so far which was just like you know the the the spreadsheet has been set up but now i'm halfway through the data entry which is is like
Grumpy Old Prop: not the hard part the hard part then is going to be make sure all the numbers work out right because right now i'm kind of hoping and praying um yeah i'll have to to um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, make sure the equations work.
Grumpy Old Prop: just do some, some check-in on my end, but yeah, with all, everything goes well. The sheet will be out this Friday for, or maybe even earlier for consumption. And then I don't know, considering that this is a holiday weekend that I'm not sure I'll get the expected points out this week, but I'll, I'm definitely aiming to get you some statistics.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah, yeah,
Jarrod Dyke: get um Get them out the for the following round, which won't be for a couple weeks, I think.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: but
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
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Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
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Jarrod Dyke: So before we get into our little weekend roundup, we have a couple of things that we got to cover here. um We were not we did not record last week as we, as I mentioned, and it was ill-timed in some ways.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, but you uh, tip of the cap and a, and the hats off and and and a and a round of applause for the original free Jack, Josh Larson, our, our, the Josh has retired from, from the team and actually he's going to join the coaching staff this, this coming year.
Jarrod Dyke: It sounds like assuming all things go, to go to plan.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Um,
Jarrod Dyke: I just, yeah, I have a lot of love for the guy. He came in, he did a great, he was a great leader. Uh, I can remember the first, it was, maybe it was the first or the second or the second home game for the year, in the first full season when we had home games.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, and Josh, you know, Josh made a point to thank everyone and in the stands and, you know, look forward to coming back in however many weeks it was. And, you appreciate everyone's support.
Jarrod Dyke: And and then that that kind of became a thing as we we, as we now see at Fort Quincy, for those of you, if you haven't been to Fort, haven't been to veterans Memorial, like it's a, it's a fun scene after the games where the, and I know we're not the only ones to do this, but yeah, you know, fans will just jam themselves on the fence to give these guys a high five and a handshake.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And it's a, it's a, it's a fun thing. And that kind of, he kind of set that tone with that little message there and things just kind of went from, went on from that. And it was really,
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: it was really great. And on top of the fact that he was a ah very good player, you know, he was a lineup caller, which as we've talked about before is, is a difficult job. That's a, that's a difficult job that people, that someone needs to do and do well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And he was, he did it to a wonderful ability for a long time. And yeah. And on top of the fact, he was a solid second row that could play six when needed. And yeah, he was, I,
Jarrod Dyke: I have a lot of love for the guy and um and i appreciate everything he did. And I'm also appreciative that he's decided, you know what, before I walk, start to walk funny because I've played so much, I'm going to, I'm to call it a day and just walk away and, you know, and start to cut my teeth and in the coaching staff, which makes a whole lot of sense for, for who he is. He, he really strikes me as a guy that's going to do well in the coaching area.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, he does. and um just ah cause ah Always a heady player. um Handy. could Could throw the passes. Could run hard. um Obviously tackle hard.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just a guy who who if you needed some a job done, hed he'd make sure it would happen. um And then if if he couldn't be there, you know someone's running through a wall to make sure it happens and on on his behalf.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's hard to lead from the bench, but the guy did that this year, and with no question about it. i know I'm not sure how healthy he was, but he seemed pretty healthy while he was out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: he he seemed not like you we've seen him banged up. we know we We're familiar with Josh Larson, and he seemed pretty
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, we know what that looks like when he's banged up.
Grumpy Old Prop: he seemed pretty good to go for the most part. And he, yet he was, uh, he was a reserve all the way through the late season into even all the way through the playoffs. Um, but once he came on, the game was changing at that point.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that was, that was, you know, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Things put went positive usually, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it was like, Oh, you know, you think you've, um,
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: you think you've seen the best of us? You haven't. Cause he's coming on for, for 20, 25 minutes and you know, whatever momentum you think you might have, if you do or not, like he's changing it for, for us. So um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he's probably going to wrestle it away for you.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah, we'll miss him and best of luck. And especially if he's coaching us so or the free jacks, hopefully there's a season. um
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm taking nothing for granted at this point. So, but certainly a guy that I want to, you know, in or around my squad.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, totally. so so Thanks a lot, Josh. We appreciate you, man. Lots of love for you, bud.
Jarrod Dyke: All right. Um. So those that, if this is your first season of listening to Ben and I, it's a holiday here in the United States coming up this week. So we try and do something positive.
Jarrod Dyke: While the circumstances of the holiday initially are not positive, we do choose to try and recognize that, but also treat a holiday as you want to treat it, where you're appreciative of being around people and so on so forth, and take the time to hang out with family and loved ones and people that you care about.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So we do try and give a little thanks for this week. Ben and I are obviously very thankful for everyone that listens to us and lets us babble into their ears for a little bit, especially through what were some very tumultuous years, especially as Ben and I both became dads.
Jarrod Dyke: that was obviously that That obviously brought challenges.
Grumpy Old Prop: it has been yeah
Jarrod Dyke: ah Ben, when Ben and I both coach, that obviously brings, you know, makes things a little clunky on the podcast. And we appreciate everyone that just rides it out with us and and supports us no matter what.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah but we We see you, even if we can't name you, we we do what we do appreciate you. So we're very thankful for that.
Grumpy Old Prop: we really do
Jarrod Dyke: We're thankful for the guys that have been, you know, right with us the whole way in Champions League, that that especially that very initial tight-knit group. Duncan, Justin, obviously George, Mark.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mark, obviously.
Jarrod Dyke: Am I forgetting am i for forgeting someone else in that in that in that particular group?
Grumpy Old Prop: Anton, we miss you, bud.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, we miss him. yes and Unfortunately, he hasn't quite been as ah as active.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Yeah. yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, like those guys especially. And obviously the ones that started it too as well. like I still chat now and again with Carrick. Carrick, shout out to you, buddy.
Grumpy Old Prop: so yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Miss you. You know, that's that's just... Yeah, the so we appreciate guys like that, and obviously the anybody that's come since then, yeah, lots of fun, lots of love.
Jarrod Dyke: We appreciate you guys, and of course, we appreciate our Patreons, you know, those that have supported us financially, and if you can't, we we we don't appreciate you any less, but, you we appreciate them just a tiny bit more, just because, you know, they've decided that they want to support us, and we appreciate it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. But, you know,
Grumpy Old Prop: if you help us take the sting out of purchasing flow so we can watch some games, we really, really, really appreciate you.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh my god, please. Anybody. Anybody that can get into these idiots' ears.
Grumpy Old Prop: So thank you very much. It's one of the, yeah it is one, literally one of those, like when I'm, you know, when they just do something and I'm like, fuck. But you know what?
Grumpy Old Prop: At least I'm, I'm paying slightly less than they would have normally because I have people who will, will, you know, help us out with that. And we we really appreciate it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I know it. Yeah. Yeah, it helps us helps help take the sting out just a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: i was watching. Oh, we'll, we'll talk about it later. Um, But suffice it to say, I was watching some collegiate rugby this weekend because one of the teams that snotted us was is tearing up ah um the championships as they should.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, UVM, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah, and at one point, the they beat my guys from Villanova. I used to play with up with some of them. Well, not the current squad, obviously, but back in the day, back in the day.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, okay.
Jarrod Dyke: back Once upon yesterday year, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah, I used to play with some Villanova boys. But yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah, there would be like a commercial on YouTube and it would be just one commercial, 15 seconds, and then move on. Then you'd be back to the broadcast. And I'm like, even Flo can't figure that shit out.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: So, all right.
Jarrod Dyke: No, no, no, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: Anyway, enough of Flo.
Jarrod Dyke: they They have an issue with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: This is not that. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But so many thanks to our wives for putting up with us, doing this, taking a a couple hours out of our week, each week.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Ain't that the truth.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah, and...
Jarrod Dyke: Shenanigans.
Grumpy Old Prop: Ultimately, i you know I want to thank the the BU Rugby Club because i think without you guys, I'd be like, ah I know we're like, we've talked about it. Like Jared's been like bumming because he doesn't have rugby to really be involved in.
Grumpy Old Prop: But this season with BU, like they'll just the way they've grown year after, like semester after semester, even like the well fall last year was a fucking disaster. We were talking about it then. And then spring looked better. And this year we're like,
Grumpy Old Prop: we're scoring more points in games than we scored all season. um So it's like, actually put out a ah list of scorers, is what our score, like how many people have scored points and how many they score.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I remember you saying that.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like, holy shit. We had, I think we had 10 or 11 people who actually contributed points over, you know, we played five games. That's pretty impressive. I'm pretty happy with that.
Jarrod Dyke: Nice, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So definitely making me feel better about when a time when I fucking,
Jarrod Dyke: That's good time.
Grumpy Old Prop: Don't like club or international rugby that much.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Here we go
Grumpy Old Prop: And likewise, thank you to the Free Jacks for winning a third straight MLR championship.
Jarrod Dyke: on that one.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: That makes things fun. All right.
Jarrod Dyke: So let's let's start with Holly first before we go anywhere else. Yes, Holly Davidson becomes the first woman to referee the All Blacks. it's not it It shouldn't be a thing, but it is.
Jarrod Dyke: um And yes, she's deserved. And anybody that's not been on the state has not known who she is until this day. You're hiding under a rock or you're just an asshole. I don't know which one, but you're one of those two. like you don't fall There's not a lot of between those two things. I'm sorry.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, it's amazing that like there's that.
Jarrod Dyke: Just how it is.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think that point, i think, go don I mean, that's, that is great. Don't get me wrong. Fantastic. fucking fantastics You know, um but at the same time, we're now, what three days removed from that and nobody gives a shit because of other referees it's like it like it literally it's like good that's great we're we're past like i remember thinking things back when you're oh the first this the first that and it was like cool like can we get i'm looking forward to the point where this is not like a oh my god the first you know a woman to ever do it this exact way it's like no no no now we're okay we're good we're kind of past that as a celebratory thing because that was so common and then society has reached that point that's fucking awesome um and yeah she did a fucking hell of a job too like there were you know a couple times where i thought she went to tmo when she showed me she shouldn't have needed to um but like that's fine do that i'm i'm like you're like okay you're kind of it does slow it down but get get it right and and i think they did every time so um
Jarrod Dyke: e e
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, we're getting beyond it
Jarrod Dyke: Same.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I i certainly no issues with the way she called it. And it's a hell of a game, too. The scored line doesn't really flatter the way the game went. I don't think.
Jarrod Dyke: No, the babies ran away with it but in the end, apart from
Grumpy Old Prop: They did, which, i mean, you figured they were always going to, but it didn't.
Jarrod Dyke: Apart from your statement.
Grumpy Old Prop: It took late
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: It wasn't right away. Whales really put up a fight.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: like To the point where I'm like, this is really... the All Blacks don't really look all that great. And i you know I know they're they're starting a ah change side.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And they have you know a non-10 playing 10.
Grumpy Old Prop: And...
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: but was it? Artie's not out there. so yeah yeah i know it's ah But still, that's an All Blacks team. That's a proper All Blacks team there. um And I thought the you know Whales for...
Grumpy Old Prop: however 60 minutes gave them all they could handle.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it was right about 55 minutes, 60 minutes when it was like, okay, now it's kind of out of hand.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, Tom Rogers hat trick.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Oh, that, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um Two. so there's no left to um
Jarrod Dyke: So Tom Rogers is like kind of the guy. I understand that. There's one guy that I hope Steve Tandy runs with for a little while, and it's Dan Edwards. i'd like I'd like him to roll with him for a while. and that You've got to find a 10. He seems like he's quality. He's not amazing, but he seems like he's got some good things in him.
Jarrod Dyke: don't He's not very old, is he? I'm not going to say it. a mistake Let me look here.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's 22.
Jarrod Dyke: He's 22. Yeah. sir And he looked pretty good, so let him roll.
Grumpy Old Prop: He did.
Jarrod Dyke: let Roll with it. Roll with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wait, hold on, hold on.
Jarrod Dyke: Do it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wait, wait. It's... they're, they're playing the all blacks and, and it's an off world cup cycle. You really, you think they should blood a 22 year old fly half when you've got, you know, the Jared Evans on, on, on your bench and,
Jarrod Dyke: ah I couldn't believe you made the bench.
Grumpy Old Prop: and
Jarrod Dyke: i was like, oh, they must be desperate if they're getting him on there. Oh, man. i was like, oh this is not a good day.
Grumpy Old Prop: but also like, no, but I think it ended up working out well. Dan played, like you said, played pretty damn well. Like, he was certainly not, you know, he was one of those where it's like, you kind of had like, you hear the name every so often and you're like, okay, cool.
Grumpy Old Prop: Edwards is doing well. Like, oh wait, no, he's the 10. Like he's, he's not showing up where it's like, oh, Edwards, his name is being called when all blacks intercept another pass. Like that's, um that's key.
Grumpy Old Prop: When you're 22 years old and facing the all blacks, that's saying a lot at that point.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you you don't want that. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: You're like, yeah, okay. Give him more time.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, let it happen, man.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, for as much as Wales rugby is in fucking shambles, from the top obviously from the top down, they've got some quality players on that on that side.
Jarrod Dyke: There's no harm in it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: They do. they They really do. I think they need to they you need need to continue to Well, their issue is, to me, like, well, just like back five in general, if your name's not Jack Morgan.
Grumpy Old Prop: They need an eight. Yeah, yeah that's true.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, I i like Plumtree. I don't think he's terrible. I think he didn't have a good game, but i've seen what I've seen from him before has been good. I don't know what the hell Tane Bashup went. Maybe he retired, and i didn't know about it, but um that was another guy that I remember doing pretty well for this team. So there's there's that.
Jarrod Dyke: there There is a lot to like about the Wales team. Again, I think the back five is an issue. They don't have a true number eight. No, Aaron Wainwright is not it. He's a useless pile of shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: um Their second row is one of the worst in Tier 1 rugby, like maybe the worst.
Grumpy Old Prop: It is. It's bad. It's bad.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah And push comes to shove. i If I have to get rid of him one of them, it's Beard. He's a total helmet. He's total helmet. Freddie Thomas should have started pretty much every Wales game this this November.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm. I agree.
Jarrod Dyke: I hope he's starting next week. And I know it's against the spring box, but whatever, you know, who cares?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um Yeah. New Zealand on the other hand.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. There's, there's goods and bads about it again. Like I like Tamati Williams. That's, that's one guy that I'm, I'm, I'm encouraged by to see out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: don't know why they rolled Bauer back out there. They could have found pretty much any other loose head prop. Because sure. i actually don't even know he's sticking around New Zealand.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. And again, like, God, I hope nobody else is healthy to have to play Finlay Christie. Like, that better be the only thing that's happening.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that was that was funny. I mean, he's he's not terrible. he's led But at the same time, he had one really good year and it wasn't this year.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was it was two years ago, three years ago at this point.
Jarrod Dyke: I think two.
Grumpy Old Prop: i Honestly, i don't remember which. um Okay, two years ago. Cool. um But he was not good this year for the Blues. So it's just kind of like they must be...
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: other guys must be hurt at this point.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's the only thing I can accept. I think I would have gone...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, it when push comes to shove, I think I'd have Leo Willey out there and not Parker. And...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: that's based That's both based on form and just ability.
Grumpy Old Prop: Definitely. Yeah, I mean, i think this was a check out some guys.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Again, switch it over. um Cariffi, who's who i call it he played a hell of a game, though. um Yeah, Parker was kind of mad. I think this was like little bit of an extended look at Parker to see what he could do.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I i don't know. I wasn't that impressed. I think. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: There's not much. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: he'll he's one He will be someone that is like five, six guys down the depth chart when they're really looking at like true guys that should be playing for this team.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Like he's, he's looking at, he's probably a bubble at best right now for the world cup squad. But at the same time, now you can't, he can't say at this point that he didn't get a look.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause he got a good solid look and there's better guys out there, but that's what you like.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you got a lot of time this this November here. I was... Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's what you do.
Jarrod Dyke: Let her rip.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's just why, like, this is why I fucking hate test rugby in general.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. You and me both, brother.
Grumpy Old Prop: But it's also why Razor is one of the best coaches, period. Because he will say, you know what, Parker, like you're you're good enough to be here. Are you good enough to play here?
Grumpy Old Prop: and And I'll give you a shot.
Jarrod Dyke: find out.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not like he didn't have to see Artie Sevilla in this game. Right? Like there's some guys who are...
Jarrod Dyke: We know he has.
Grumpy Old Prop: What's up?
Jarrod Dyke: We know what he has. since i That's not a mystery.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Like, you don't need to see, you don't need to Bowdoin, Barrett, even, you know, however, whatever his health level, you can play a Rico Ioani. Like, okay, do you still have it at this level? Even a little bit? Like, can I put you in a game? if you know, in the world cup, if guys get hurt and I have to throw you out there, can I, it came away with a try. So it's like okay, we can work around with that. um Like there's things you need to know about your team.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: And if you just play the same fucking lineup, you don't get anything out of it. And, and that's what I really like that, that razor did this, you know, um this session and he's trying think like he doesn't do you think I mean yeah them there's a there's a pride thing about it but I think he's he's thinking more long term big picture and I don't think enough coaches do that
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. George Bell got to run this, this November, which was good for them.
Grumpy Old Prop: the
Jarrod Dyke: i was really glad to see Ruben love out there. I think he needs again, more, more time.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah finished a sweet try too
Jarrod Dyke: let's not forget. yeah People that, people that are shitting on these guys and then even Kiwis are shitting on, on themselves. Let's not forget. There's a guy coming back next year.
Jarrod Dyke: His name is Richie Mwanga.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He's going to, he's going to make a difference. He is going to make a difference.
Grumpy Old Prop: A little bit. A little bit.
Jarrod Dyke: He's going to make a difference. He was definitely the best 10, not playing international rugby, like anywhere.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. okay
Jarrod Dyke: anywhere so that that's going to be only good news for them
Grumpy Old Prop: Even better than Finn Smith.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah why he didn't get a run don't know um okay let's let's get let's skip over to dublin i know ben let's just skip this one too ah um so we ben and i talked off um off the pod before this we're both in agreement that
Grumpy Old Prop: beautiful yeah Let's go. let's keep Enough of that shit.
Jarrod Dyke: Things were not consistent on Carly in terms of the cards dealt out and the decisions that were made. So we can put that to bed. um And then ah i and I know there were some ticky tack things that people had issued with Carly. And I, and i know the big thing was the cards.
Jarrod Dyke: I still throw, I still throw Ireland into the deep end on this one and say, what did you do to help yourself?
Grumpy Old Prop: okay
Jarrod Dyke: And the answer is, Not enough at the minimum. At the minimum, it's not enough. I think you're looking at... You're you're playing the defending world champs. like Why are you... Filling around with... Shots at goal.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And...
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah yeah think like Think about that passenger period where people were pissed off at Carly and whatever. Where... The Springboks just kept the pressure on Ireland.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Where was Ireland doing that to the Springboks? Were they? The answer is no, they weren't.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, they had their tails up and they were like, yeah, let's go for three. It's like, really? You're, you're, you have the momentum. Uncle Mo has come to visit your dugout and said, let's go.
Grumpy Old Prop: hey
Jarrod Dyke: And you decide to kick him out by kicking three. Like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Grumpy Old Prop: It's that, again, that same test rugby mentality that we'll talk about in another game later.
Jarrod Dyke: i'm I'm in agreement, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like, oh, just take the points, take the points, build the scoreboard. It doesn't, that's not, that's not how this game is played.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: This game is played by putting the ball down on and in the end goal area, but not by kicking through fucking posts. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: You know, you can do that occasionally, or if it's like a decisive score, like if you're up five, that's a difference than when you're down,
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: what was it, 14 or whatever it was at the time. Like...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I think it was.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, just not not what we do.
Jarrod Dyke: You went from two-score game to a two-score game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Two score didn't...
Jarrod Dyke: Not only two scores, you still need two fucking tries, you idiots.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, dude, that's third-grade math.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right, you're down 12. Sorry, they were they were down...
Jarrod Dyke: What are you doing?
Grumpy Old Prop: They were down 12 and they get up to, oh, down we're down only down 9. And then... And then...
Jarrod Dyke: please.
Grumpy Old Prop: then yeah Sasha scores a try. shouldn't have been the field but he still scores a try. And now you're down 14. Now you're down 14. And then you kick a... that And then you never see anything again.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Just...
Jarrod Dyke: And this is this is my thing with, and this is my thing when it comes to like cards. I'm so i'm sorry, I'm cutting you off. But my when when it comes to cards, you can piss and moan about them all day long.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But in and in the moment, you're going to get heated and you're going mad and fine. But in the end, looking back, you always have to say, did you raise your game or did you stay level comma slash drop?
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And did the other team raise their game? or did they stay low and drop? And if the answer is both teams raise their game, wonderful. We have we have rugby, red cards don't ruin games per usual, but here we are again.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: If either went either way, then you know you have your answers as to where things went sideways. It's not a hard thing to figure out. You don't need to watch much tape, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but at the and the same time, though, this is... okay um It's just the you know the opposite of what we were talking about with New Zealand. And I realize you're playing the number one, so you want to put your best squad out there. But is James Ryan really your best four?
Grumpy Old Prop: seems to be your best lock. Like...
Jarrod Dyke: He shouldn't be, and I know McCarthy is not healthy was not healthy for this game. I don't care. you have
Grumpy Old Prop: Like finds... Like, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: you've You've drafted Kean Pendergast on the bench, which means you're planning on moving Baird into the second row already. Just do that.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah and if you want to have orion on the bench in case he in case he takes a shit in case prenegrass takes a shit okay you that's that's fine because you can be like you know what 20 minutes in it wasn't working
Jarrod Dyke: Just do that. yeah Do that anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: he was He was being abused. Guess what? That same thing happened anyway with with Ryan in there. So why not give someone else an opportunity instead of playing that game? Like this is...
Grumpy Old Prop: Two years from now, will anybody give a fuck that Ireland won or lost to South Africa in this game? And will really anybody give a fuck that South Africa won or lost this game? No.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: like that Ireland got, got again, Farrow got caught in that trap. Of, i like, and even, you know, putting Aki out there. Give ah give me a fucking break, dude.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. Yeah, agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: could find Like, this is where you play new people. this is This is it. This is where you say, hey, I know my guys before have struggled in this, so putting the same thing out there, you know you're what's going to happen anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: You kind of deserve it.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like...
Grumpy Old Prop: and and it didn't work out.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And what what do you learn from this? what What value did you get from this game? Oh, then I will say, you know, Prender, good Sam, and um and Crowley got some valuable experience, although they also got some valuable naughty step experience, but that's great.
Jarrod Dyke: the both of them did ah oh man
Grumpy Old Prop: But like James Lowe, Bundy Aki. i
Jarrod Dyke: i'm glad tommy o'brien's out there at least i think he looks like he's gonna be hanging on to a spot for a little while so that's good news at at the minimum yeah and and while the spring box didn't they've toyed with their lineup throughout so i i you know i'll say that the one person we don't we haven't seen yet knock on wood willie la rue thank god um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes. Yes, it is. um
Jarrod Dyke: and they and they have their And they have other guys that they're rolling through in certain positions. And some guys, they I think they're midfield.
Grumpy Old Prop: hu
Jarrod Dyke: They need to start rejigging too because I'm not sure DDA and Creel are the ones that going last.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I know they've got the hooker guy, but maybe they see him more as a wing than a center.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're not, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But I think like yeah i think he can play midfield too. So we'll see we'll see how that goes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: that's you know there There is some criticism to throw at Razzie for that too. But he also still is finding different combinations. he's giving Grant Williams more time. He's thrown he's he's thrown faff to the bin. He's like, yeah don't need you no more, dude. We're up we're done with you.
Jarrod Dyke: um Obviously, Sasha has been rolling through as the preferred 10. Yeah, I'm glad to see Keenan Moody back out there. That's another guy I was hoping to see sometime soon again. i know he played a little bit in the rugby championship, but there there are some, like Manny Lubach is another guy that,
Jarrod Dyke: I know he played the last World Cup, but still, like, he's continuing to get run and not just getting thrown away.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: I think there's there's goods and bads, again, with Razzie.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But also, like, he's he still found a te he still got a team that most people are going to have a hard time beating right now. then
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: and and here's And I was thinking about this earlier. Like, here's the thing with South Africa. You want to be mad at them? Fine. Be mad at them. i've had Ben and I have both had moments where we're we're upset with the spring box.
Jarrod Dyke: You need to find a way. If you want them to stop being who they are, you have to match them in the scrum. There's no way around it. And I'm not a scrum enthusiast by any means whatsoever in terms of like we have to have, ah like I hate the new thing that France is doing where you have to feed it. No, hate that.
Jarrod Dyke: Hate that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm not looking to have more scrum penalties in my games. But the facts of the matter are, and this is what it is, you have to be able to stand up to them in the scrum. You do not have to be able to kick their ass every time but you can't concede penalty after penalty after penalty. Otherwise what you saw happen to Ireland in that game, but they just get pulverized into an absolute pulp. And then they run around you is what happens.
Jarrod Dyke: And they have the ability to do both, which is terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying. You know, and I, if you want to get mad at them, you got, you got to stop that.
Jarrod Dyke: Like,
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. and
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, you're going to have to eat less salads and more and more beef like Ox talks about.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: That's just how it is. Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, there's, there, there, there is a reason that they only play like 40 minutes, you know, like in, in that front row and, you know, the, the locks are hooses obviously because they're South African.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: So you just got to deal with it. And, and the fact that there's not, I don't know the scrum.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know what the, the, you know, again, i don't, I don't know what that level, what they're, what they're teaching coaching from, from nation to nation, but I don't know. I'm, you shouldn't, you shouldn't be getting beasted like this on the regular and not, and you know, everybody like that. That's a good scrum. I mean, and that's hard to,
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not easy to match, but you've got players who can if they if you trained them right. So that's that's frustrating, especially to me.
Jarrod Dyke: oh totally. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: There's there's a lot of those scrum penalties, you know, um'm I'm always going to back my props is is from the locks, like whether or not they're getting you a proper shove on. And i don't know that we're, you know, training our locks everywhere else to be as
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: really much of that engine room as possible um because no matter what and i'll i'll say this as a prop too yeah if if i get no push i'm going backwards if i get good push we're going forwards so it's like you know can i can i do it by myself if the other team is ass yeah but if they're any anywhere near good i i'll lock them out easy enough no problem but
Jarrod Dyke: No shot.
Grumpy Old Prop: if we're not we're not really going forward unless i get a little bit of shove from behind me so where the hell is that from from some of these other teams and that's funny because that's the departure i know we're talking departure but like south africa's proven you don't have to sacrifice loose play for that so fix your shit
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you gotta have help.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you can have both. You can have both.
Jarrod Dyke: Um...
Jarrod Dyke: We don't need to talk about Italy, Chile.
Grumpy Old Prop: Not really. okay
Jarrod Dyke: France, Australia. this was This was, you know, this was fun.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fun?
Jarrod Dyke: And the really wild thing is, and people are going to shit on, this is, you know, it's still a little unfortunate. This is Josh Schmidt's last game. I'm pretty sure it is at least. um the the Again, the picture does not reflect how each team played. I thought France did play very well.
Jarrod Dyke: I also thought Shory played very well. They attacked well. They couldn't finish the goddamn thing. That was the problem.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Their finishing and their execution was...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: But their attack, for the most part, was good.
Grumpy Old Prop: But again, look at look at who's out there. ah So this is this is the, like, you know, ad beds out there. Like, that's that's cool. Like, they're not putting, you know, James O'Connor out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, they did a little bit, but they're putting these young tens out there to say, go, like, earn the job. get better because this is going to be a valuable this going to be valuable for Ed Med and Australia um yeah I know jake Gordon's out at nine but they've also have some injuries to some of their their guys who would be starting um if healthy so you know McDermott's obviously the choice even with a healthy Jake Gordon too but you they're throwing Harry Potter out there and then Dylan Peach and obviously Max Jordan like these are these are quality guys give them a run see what they can do
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: o
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, Stewart didn't get come off the bench, unfortunately, which I thought was kind of dumb.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But don't know why you have him if you're not going to use him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right, especially because you... Well, I mean, I get Daogun. Yeah, you'd want to... for I just don't know that Sueli was the guy. I thought he was playing a hell of a match, too. um
Jarrod Dyke: I had two.
Grumpy Old Prop: And so I was kind of disappointed that he came out. But, hey.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was a...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Still, you know, they're they're they're stepping up. It was... it was game You know, just like the other one. it was a game until about 60 minutes. And then, you know, obviously that that there's a little bit of
Jarrod Dyke: Wheels keep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, French are just fucking good. Let's put it that way. A little bit of talent on that French side is where I was going with it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, there is. There is. There isn't. we were We were talking about guys coming through and, you know, I can see some. You see some unfamiliar names on this team or guys that haven't played a ton.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Deporter only got his first look during Six Nations last year. He's been given ah an extended run, which is great.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think he's, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Montagna, the tight head.
Grumpy Old Prop: And he might be there 13 now going forward. I don't see why he wouldn't be.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know who i don't know who and don't know who's in over him, but.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, he looked great. i dont i wouldn't I couldn't tell you. But, yeah, Montagna. Arado is a newcomer.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, genno Yeah, they they have some names that they're pulling through here, which is great.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: um In this, you have some steady eddies, but you you have guys that are getting looks for the first time, or you know maybe they got a little bit this summer, but they're...
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And France tends to send, when they're going especially if they're going to New Zealand or Australia, they tend to send kind of a... a third squad down there to get them experience, which pisses a lot of people off, but it's in the end, it's the smart thing for the front for the sake of the French team.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Pays off.
Jarrod Dyke: So
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Like, yeah, go get your ass kicked. Learn what you're doing wrong. Learn what the speed is at that level, and then we'll fix it when you've got to play with the guys.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, yeah, I can think of, think it was the Australia tour a few years ago but that we were just coming out of the pandemic. Like, They sent a very changed squad down there and they ended up using a lot of those guys at the following World Cup. So be pissed about it, but also like, I'm sorry, this is, I i think as much as he's ah he's a knucklehead, Gautier's playing chess, y'all are playing checkers.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. like then that
Jarrod Dyke: And that says a lot.
Grumpy Old Prop: So there's there's where we are. There's a couple of the, you know, the the the French do it right. Razzie's doing it right. Razor's doing it right.
Grumpy Old Prop: So like, there's are, and those are three of the best teams in the world. Right. So if you're like, you know, you know, also up there, but you know, you're happy to beat one of those teams, but like, you're not going to beat the other.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You wonder why you can't go get over the line.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I have the answer for you.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, and I, you know what, I think Australia is doing it right.
Jarrod Dyke: It's because you're leaning on old heads.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think they're, they're getting it. We'll see. see what happens from here.
Jarrod Dyke: They'll get better.
Grumpy Old Prop: But there this is a team that's very young.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, i I think they will turn the corner next year. I think they'll turn turn the corner next year and there'll be good things that happen.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. I mean
Jarrod Dyke: I i don't... ah is It's one of the... It's Kiss that's taking over the Reds guy, isn't it?
Grumpy Old Prop: mean. Oh, that's right.
Jarrod Dyke: ah So, okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: I like him too.
Jarrod Dyke: So there's good there's good things coming. There's good things coming.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That's good. Yeah, I like him a lot. um
Jarrod Dyke: Scotland Tonga. Scotland didn't perform. Enough said.
Grumpy Old Prop: no Scotland they had an American problem where the guy who broke the line decided oh I'm gonna be the one to finish it even though he's running into like three guys and his his friends wide open and it's like no I'm gonna keep it like dude at this level we pass the ball like that's what makes you great um and you know I left it was still 21 nothing I had to go grocery shopping so um
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: that took precedent over watching the the rest, but I was, I was kind of pleasantly surprised to see that, that the floodgates open because it just looked like Scotland were content to just have a fuck around.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I mean, I get that.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: yeah they they couldn't get out of their own way.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And it's like, just throw, like throw the last pass. Cause that's, that's, that's, you know, not the extra pass throw the last pass.
Jarrod Dyke: A number
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause there's one, you need one more to win this there to get this try.
Jarrod Dyke: of them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Go get it. And yeah. they didn't They didn't do a good job of that, and I didn't see who scored late, but... Oh, what the fuck?
Jarrod Dyke: number of them
Grumpy Old Prop: This whole thing is... Oh, there we go. Finally snapped into place. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Was not happy to see Fergus Burke look ouchy, but happy to see him go for a nice long run after that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So, okay, he's all right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's sad. That originally or ah worried me, and then he ended up running it off.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, never never mind. Not worried about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no. And I'm like, he's fine. He's fine. He's fine. Like, if I say it enough, maybe it'll be true.
Jarrod Dyke: but mean Maybe we'll speak into existence. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: i don't want to spend too much time on this this next game, but we'll have to spend a decent amount on it, unfortunately.
Grumpy Old Prop: At least a little bit. I i don't know. Just.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like. um if if Argentina was even present in the first half, um they win this game because England did not play well.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I'm also just sick of England's shit at this point. they're They're killing my love for international rugby with, like, because they don't even fucking play rugby.
Jarrod Dyke: Same.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's so funny theyre that even the comms are like, oh, yeah, you know, some of these other teams like to play rugby. England just like the high bonds. Like...
Grumpy Old Prop: You see, like, when even Oz is, like, taking shots at you guys for avoiding playing the game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, maybe have a think on that. Because I want to see these guys run. I want to see Ben Earl running down the field because he does it really well. And I don't really want to see Elliott Daly because he doesn't do that. i don't want to see Henry Slade because he doesn't do that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, I got to say, like, and and even the, what, the two tries that were scored, um like, Ojoomo basically did everything.
Grumpy Old Prop: So, like, Ojoomo, like, that chip to Fehiwa Boso.
Jarrod Dyke: Did the work, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fucking behave. Because, you know, that he he's not, you know, again, Ford's supposed to be the one who's capable of doing that, but all literally all he can do is the high ball and then a drop goal that may or may not go through.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Ugh.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm just... They don't even try... Like, that's the thing. He doesn't even try to unlock a defense. He's just like, oh, I think I can get the three from here, so I'll just take it. don't know. I'm just not... I'm so fucking unimpressed.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Who would you say made the difference against New Zealand for England when he came on?
Grumpy Old Prop: um Well, Paula kind of helped finish that game off.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, but even before that, when Freddie got hurt.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, Marcus. Oh, that was a major change. Marcus came on and suddenly that offense, was that attack was actually like attacking, you know, even without, you know, Ford doing what he does, but it's like, okay, if they got the ball, leaving to Marcus or like near him, good shit was happening.
Jarrod Dyke: don't Don't know why he didn't come
Grumpy Old Prop: i but you know this is i don't So again, going back to what we said with Ireland, like what the fuck are we learning from playing George Ford in this game? Because he's not your he can't be your guy at the World Cup because that's just a recipe for utter failure.
Jarrod Dyke: on.
Grumpy Old Prop: Or certainly you're not winning it. Let's put it that way. might you You might sneak a win in the quarterfinals. You might even sneak a win in the semis because they did it to to New Zealand and before getting just bullied off the park.
Grumpy Old Prop: by a team that will is is willing to play rugby.
Jarrod Dyke: ah south africa Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So like you're going to, at some point, here's the other thing that, that, that from just from a philosophical standpoint, if you have a plan, a and that's your only plan, eventually someone's going to be like, okay, this is their plan.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: A we're going to devise a way to to take that away. And you're not going to show it at this point. You're going to wait till the, till, you know, certainly much closer to the world cup and probably not going to work it against England. So they can see what you're going to do.
Grumpy Old Prop: And as soon as somebody like is like, yeah, we're just going to make sure, like, the the whole thing is chaos. We're going to kick a high ball. And if the ball bounces right, maybe we'll score. And it's like, eventually someone's just going to be like, okay, we're going to figure out how to draw draw.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because even on one of those kicks, I thought Faye Woboso should have, you know, and that other thing, it's how ah the hell is it officiated? Faye Woboso, thought, should have been penalized at least for the charge in the air, or a challenge in the air.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, Brissette's ass.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, there's no.
Jarrod Dyke: Brissette and Ramos brought the ass about French refereeing back in this weekend, I will say that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, well, yeah, that was funny because it was funny because England were getting all the calls first half and then Argentina got all the calls second half. So it was kind of it evened out in the end. But yeah, very French and the game almost evened out like this is a game that England should have had going away.
Jarrod Dyke: Very French. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha.
Grumpy Old Prop: But because you also don't have any sort of attack at all.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Once you have the lead, you don't do a good job defending it because you don't have any concept of how to run with ball in hand. You don't have any momentum built. And that's why it's it's easy for teams to come back like that. If they just start, if passes go to hand, if, um, you know, they actually catch those high balls and then, you know, really just work your defense because England defense isn't like fantastic either.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like there's, there's ways to win this game.
Jarrod Dyke: Some people will be offended by that. over it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, um,
Jarrod Dyke: get over it
Grumpy Old Prop: But yeah, like, ultimately, like, we didn't need to see Daly. We didn't need to see Slate. you like You don't need... what do you see What is the point of having these players play this game? Like, what did you lose by winning this game?
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's great that, that you know, Pollock still gets it's a bit of a run. Like, do you need to see... Why is Tom Curry on this team? And how does Marcus not even get off the bat? Like, I just can't.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, what...
Jarrod Dyke: This is why international rugby is going to die.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: At least at the men's level.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because what the fuck? What are we watching here? this was This was a terrible display of just a ah ah potentially great rugby match.
Grumpy Old Prop: It just, yeah, kills it. That's why I'm i'm so happy club rugby is coming back because the teams actually try to play. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, most teams try at least.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And also the team that plays like that in, you know, club play, they don't do that well.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. Generally.
Grumpy Old Prop: So even in the prem, like, you know, I know right now Exeter is in in in and third right now.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Again, we we kind of went over that. They they haven't played anybody yet.
Jarrod Dyke: They played nobody.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah. And Sale, I can't, for some reason, the standings page isn't loading.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So I know Sale are towards the bottom. So it's like, can we, hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Sales on 12 right now. They're in 7th.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, not not great.
Jarrod Dyke: All
Grumpy Old Prop: So yeah, I can't, but either way, can't wait. Want that to start. I'm done with, lu with, with that.
Jarrod Dyke: right. Yeah, we're we're getting there.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Any superlatives to hand out for the weekend?
Grumpy Old Prop: Let me go back to the.
Jarrod Dyke: mean, Tom Rogers has got get thrown out there, obviously.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah. Tom Rogers hat trick.
Jarrod Dyke: We talked about him.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's, that's, that's pretty awesome. Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: I thought, oh shoot.
Jarrod Dyke: the The Newcastle 9 from Argentina, Benitez Cruz.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: think I think overall for the November window, he had a really good window, so good for him.
Grumpy Old Prop: He played.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. um Shoot, where was I? No, nobody from Scotland. Come on, you should have crushed that game. um
Jarrod Dyke: Scotland needed to do what they needed to do.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: End of story.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah, no. i'm i Really not much to to speak of. thought the i thought the
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: you know i Well, yeah, we'll go we'll we'll go past it. What's the next one?
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: Young player. ah I think it's a drama.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, certainly Jomo. Oh, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: He crushed it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: they Actually, somebody who wanted to play rugby for frank England, it was it was good to see, and and just forcing it to happen. so Despite all the shit around him
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. You guys don't want to, but I'm going to make it happen anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. I have no, right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: We have, we have no real, we have one, one attacking threat in the back three. um Actually. then And then me other than that, from, from, from eight out.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause you know, as much as we love, as much as we love Ben Spencer, who actually his high balls were excellent. And I think they were the ones that were more helpful anyway than Ford's, but that's just, that's just me. um But why you would want, why we would want to a nine and a 10 who really can only kick a high ball.
Jarrod Dyke: Just throwing that very England.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah, that put, that that didn't make it easy, didn't make it easy on a Jomo and he did the most with it. So really good on him.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it says a lot. Agreed.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, rubs can all pound sand. Yeah,
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, coach of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: um I am going to have to give it to, hold on, let me make sure I get the name right. Because I've had a couple pops here.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Wait, where were we? Where'd you say? Who'd you say? Who's the Argentinian coach? um
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, cunt upon me.
Grumpy Old Prop: Conteponi. Yeah, it's Conteponi for fucking standing up for his player after a ah definitely a dirty hit. And um yeah, I think
Jarrod Dyke: Most overrated player in a national rugby anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: absolutely absolutely provide that's what that's what he brings to the table is i'm just gonna smash somebody if it's late it's late um yeah i saw i saw also saw clips of was it ben young's and dan cole saying he's just telling them he's there and it's like they're like not to sound like these old guys it's like well that's that's who you are
Jarrod Dyke: He's a cunt. I fucking hate him anyway, so whatever.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah Good job. You already did.
Grumpy Old Prop: um and I know you're not that old, but at the same time, you're those old men who really that's all you know how to do anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. i'm
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I will say there was, i think they messed up and the the officials messed up shocker, the the French. um And maybe ah and maybe um' the things have changed or I'm misremembering, but I believe Cruz Malia should have been replaced.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe he was, and I didn't see it.
Grumpy Old Prop: He wasn't. No, they couldn't. um And.
Jarrod Dyke: ah So he should have been able to be replaced because late hit foul play, yes?
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm not sure. is that does it So that's my question. is Does it have to rise to the level of a yellow card for it to be foul play?
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: like
Jarrod Dyke: No, it just has to be foul play.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Then yeah, it should.
Jarrod Dyke: Because because ah a high tackle would be considered foul play, even if it wasn't a card-worthy high tackle.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So...
Grumpy Old Prop: But also at a high tackle, they'd go HIA.
Jarrod Dyke: so
Grumpy Old Prop: so there's it's I think that's where they pooped the bed. Where they were like, oh, well, it's not an HIA. So you can't... I don't know.
Jarrod Dyke: No. So anybody that hit picks up an injury as a result of foul play can be replaced, even if they have no subs left out.
Grumpy Old Prop: But...
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, they they've used all their subs.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: That's the last I knew. Maybe I'm wrong, and i've told and they've changed things. But last I knew, that was the possibility. But, you know, the P.M. Brousset sucks. So I'm not shocked that you didn't fucking know that, if that's the case.
Jarrod Dyke: So um anyway, so I thought they fucked that up.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Try the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: For me, it was that that Max Jorgensen try.
Jarrod Dyke: Nice. Yes. I love that. I love that. i was like, yes, come on, baby. Come on, baby. And he got it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: i was like, yeah, ah boy.
Grumpy Old Prop: Although, there were yeah, and though there were there were a few from that game, the deportation was was was also tasty.
Jarrod Dyke: was quite good. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: The Billy Bra all the fucking well, which deportation. I think it was the second one. um But the the billie B.R.A. try was just fucking out running motherfuckers, chipping it, chasing it like fuck you.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. I was like, oh boy.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm going to beat you to the to the ball in the.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, as soon as he got into space, I was like, that's bad news.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And you're all trouble. um a Player of the week. I guess we could get through referee of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: that's where I was going to go with it. Yeah,
Jarrod Dyke: We get throw to Holly Davidson, by the way. I forget completely forgot about that.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah no credit.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm done.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's done. Um, it was not you, Matt Carley.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, player of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, my play of the week was, was Max Jomo though, for being a bright spot of a team that just didn't want to do anything.
Jarrod Dyke: There you go
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, love the way he plays. We played in a fantasy league with that guy not so long ago, but, uh,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Good lad.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. ah we' And obviously that that's, you know, we've we've liked him since even before then. So.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been fans of that guy for a while. um I mean, Dick of the Week could be a few. i will say that. Dick of the Week could be a few people. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I just want to say Matt Carly, because even for like, he didn't like getting shouted at, so he reversed a penalty or something that like he was just a cunt the whole game. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He, you know, he's a really good referee usually, usually. And days when he wasn't, he was like this. This is what he was like when he wasn't this good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: This is what he was usually like. And he was extremely difficult to work with. And those the those were the days I a remember of Matt Carley. Now, at day like the last year or two, he's been exceptional. He's up there with one of the best ones in the world now.
Jarrod Dyke: But even the best ones have dog shit day. And this was his.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: and you and And when he's dog shit, he's a total asshole. no No question about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Like, he is extreme. Again, just someone you don't even want to give the time of day to.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: That's how it is.
Jarrod Dyke: All right. um Okay. We got Pick'em. Back to Pick'em.
Grumpy Old Prop: We're back to pick them. Holy shit.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, we're back to Pick'em.
Grumpy Old Prop: We get back to the fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Sale and Exeter.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's it's that AJ Bell, right?
Jarrod Dyke: It's at. Yeah, it's up in.
Grumpy Old Prop: Or whatever.
Jarrod Dyke: It's up in Salvard.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, um I'm going with sale.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Same.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because i've all it's Exeter away from home, so...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, Exeter away isn't usually bad anyway. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And sale at home is really fucking tough, so...
Jarrod Dyke: It's annoying as hell. Yeah, agreed. Newcastle and Leicester.
Grumpy Old Prop: Ah, Leinster. Or Leinster, sorry.
Jarrod Dyke: Careful there.
Grumpy Old Prop: the
Jarrod Dyke: That's that's next week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wait, which which team at those is better right now?
Jarrod Dyke: Say what?
Grumpy Old Prop: i did So, I did make sure my... ah um the The Irish... very Irish from Ireland, even captain or like president of the BU club.
Grumpy Old Prop: I made sure he knew that the Browns have more wins than Leinster this season today. He was not happy. He's like, you're kicking him in while he's down.
Jarrod Dyke: Ouch.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's not fair. Like, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: but
Jarrod Dyke: Uh, lost for Quinns.
Grumpy Old Prop: Quinn's. I just don't trust Gloucester.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, same.
Grumpy Old Prop: Although. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because now is everybody going to be on So here's to the question.
Jarrod Dyke: Marcus didn't play last week. I see no reason why he won't.
Grumpy Old Prop: Is there going to be rest? Because they got to get ready for for Champions Cup. They're going to need a full team run out.
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe yes, maybe no.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe yes, maybe no.
Grumpy Old Prop: Although.
Jarrod Dyke: Quinns are an eight. They need points.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And Marcus didn't even play. So throw him back in there.
Jarrod Dyke: No, that's that's kind of my thing, like.
Grumpy Old Prop: So yeah, Quinz.
Jarrod Dyke: and i don't And I'm sure the teams have been a little bit flip-flopped here and there for the Prem Cup. But yeah, no, no, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I think i think they'll put they'll put the good stuff out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Bristol-Northampton.
Grumpy Old Prop: gotta go saints they're they're healthy for the most part um i'm guessing um slights will be back by now even if if i don't know where if freeman's hurt i i i kind of missed that um i'm sure there was a very good reason why daily was starting instead of him um yeah there was there was some sarcasm there i hit it way too well i apologize um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I hope so.
Jarrod Dyke: better have been. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah But yeah. that yeah Bristol. ah you know Obviously I love Bristol. i just
Grumpy Old Prop: Not this game.
Jarrod Dyke: No. Saracen's Bath. Sunday.
Grumpy Old Prop: Bath. I don't like saying it.
Jarrod Dyke: I will be
Grumpy Old Prop: I just had to rip that bandaid off.
Jarrod Dyke: I know. I will be the first person jumping up and down through the roof if we pull this off.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: But the path are good. so We could. And we might. But it'll be tough.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, well, that's where it is.
Jarrod Dyke: It's going to be a tough game.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's going to be a challenge. That's a good squad that's deep, too.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: And Finn didn't play last week, so he'll he'll go right back in.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. No. No, we did not. So he'll be rested. I'm sure he's going to get chucked right back in.
Grumpy Old Prop: And Fergus did play. so But that's his his one game, so he's fine.
Jarrod Dyke: he's a little beat up.
Grumpy Old Prop: He won't be that beat up. he's in He's in proper games, maybe.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, his his injury, his his beat upness will be just of ah of a game nature, not like he's super tired, because yeah, you're right, he didn't play a lot otherwise.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: um Okay, so there's that. We are going to jump over to the fancy corner again. who yeah. So if you're going to join us over there, we'll see you there. If not, enjoy the return to club rugby this weekend. Thanks a lot for listening to us, everyone, and enjoy your weekend. Have a good one, and um My fellow Americans, happy Thanksgiving to you all.
Jarrod Dyke: Have one, everyone.
Grumpy Old Prop: Later.
Jarrod Dyke: Cheers.
