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Season 8- Episode 9- Long 'n' Hard (Champions Cup Round 1)
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It's another batch of fun from those American rugby weirdos. On this episode of TFRY we are covering ALL things Champions Cup. From the wet & wild on Friday at CorpAcq and more wet & wild at the Dam in Edinburgh. Listen in as we dive into all the action, plus our superlatives and pick 'em!
Those looking for the FC, it will be posted in a few hours.
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Transcript
Introduction & Agenda
00:00:31
jarrod_dyke
Thanks, my name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glazer.
00:00:35
jarrod_dyke
Let's go. Lots to talk about all European things. There are other things that we would like to talk about, but because Champions Cup is going to take up so much effing time of these next two pods, all the news that we probably want to talk about, we're just tabling until we get back to Crem.
00:00:49
jarrod_dyke
So, still I'll be.
00:00:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Hi, George, Martin. Yay, coming series. Anyway, well but we talked about that.
00:00:54
jarrod_dyke
Among other things. with ah um Anyway, let's crack them.
00:01:01
jarrod_dyke
Find us on your favorite favorite podcast app.
00:01:06
jarrod_dyke
Download, rate, review, share. Feedback is always welcome.
Rare Beers & Rugby Community
00:01:12
jarrod_dyke
I found a L.L. Bean beer.
00:01:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Nice. I found a one more 12-pack of Pumpkinhead and my last. Okay, i guess I'll get that.
00:01:24
jarrod_dyke
Oh, man. That's got to be, like, gone soon, I have a feeling.
00:01:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, it's totally gone. I found it just like there's no pumpkin beer anywhere anymore.
00:01:29
jarrod_dyke
Oh, yeah. Hmm.
00:01:32
Grumpy Old Prop
and
00:01:32
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, that's and that's a nice color.
00:01:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'm okay with it, but it's like, yeah, one last.
00:01:34
jarrod_dyke
i like that.
00:01:37
jarrod_dyke
I like that. Nice color. not Not clear, but not like a cloud.
00:01:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. it's Harpoon, too. Good for them.
00:01:46
jarrod_dyke
That's good. Damn. All right. It's a limited edition, though, so might might be yeah stocking up on that one.
00:01:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:01:56
jarrod_dyke
You have a you have a customer again, Harpoon. Good job. All right. um
00:02:03
jarrod_dyke
Make sure you buy our good friend George, the fancy riy rugby geek, a coffee or beer, however which is you choose to see it. and Busy guy, obviously, during this competition especially. and So just make sure that you pay that man his dues because he's earned his money more than once.
00:02:20
jarrod_dyke
promise you that much.
Social Issues & Patreon
00:02:23
jarrod_dyke
There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life.
00:02:29
jarrod_dyke
There's too many to choose from, folks. where and we have Because we have so so much time. Suffice to say, don't be an asshole.
00:02:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, don't be a dick.
00:02:36
jarrod_dyke
And yeah, don't be racist.
00:02:41
jarrod_dyke
And fuck Joe Grogan. I think we can say that you universally, usually.
00:02:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And fuck Diddy, too.
00:02:50
jarrod_dyke
Usually, not always.
00:02:50
Grumpy Old Prop
fuck Oh, and watch the... ah Make sure to watch that... ah um The Diddy documentary on Netflix, the one that 50 Cent did.
00:02:59
jarrod_dyke
Oh, I'll be interested.
00:03:01
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going to watch it, but holy shit, that just the shit that I've seen from it. um
00:03:07
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:03:07
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Diddy was always a dick and yeah we'll talk about some other stuff later
00:03:09
jarrod_dyke
Interesting. I'm
00:03:12
jarrod_dyke
not shocked. Yeah, not shocked. I mean, he lost Tupac. Just saying.
00:03:18
Grumpy Old Prop
no he had Tupac and Biggie killed yeah so um yeah and for yeah
00:03:23
jarrod_dyke
Oh, I believe that. That would totally believe. i would tell That I would totally believe. Yeah.
00:03:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Long story short, there's some shit going down from that's been going down for a long time and nobody... So that's it I guess that's where we'll go with it. If you see your friend being a dick, stop them. um as ah as ah As a guy, don't just let guys be guys and don't just look the other way.
00:03:44
jarrod_dyke
Please.
00:03:48
Grumpy Old Prop
um you know
00:03:51
jarrod_dyke
Definitely.
00:03:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Put a stop to it. Let them know it's not acceptable while you can before he has two legends killed. So he couldn't further his career among all the other shit he's done.
00:03:59
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Right.
00:04:02
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
00:04:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway.
00:04:04
jarrod_dyke
Anywho. Yes, please do pick up our Patreon. After this coming week of Champions Cup, we'll have sufficient data to publish a sheet for that.
00:04:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Yep. Oh.
00:04:16
jarrod_dyke
then And also the the chip the Prem sheet will be ready to roll full noise. And if I can get myself, you know, a few hours of time...
00:04:28
jarrod_dyke
difficult being a dad and all.
00:04:30
Grumpy Old Prop
yep
00:04:31
jarrod_dyke
i might I might cook a so click up a surprise too. So yeah, so keep but keep your eyes peeled.
00:04:34
Grumpy Old Prop
oo
00:04:38
jarrod_dyke
But either way, those two will definitely be up there within the coming weeks. But we appreciate everyone that's supporting us.
00:04:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:04:44
jarrod_dyke
And yes, you can, but again, you can buy a single post if you want just one. Awesome. we We appreciate the support in any case.
Game Recaps & Strategies
00:04:54
jarrod_dyke
Okay, let's talk
00:04:59
jarrod_dyke
Rugby. um So we're going to do this thing as blocks of games, not necessarily one or two games, like one game at a time, because let's face it, we'd be here way too fucking long.
00:05:19
jarrod_dyke
right. So let's go to Friday.
00:05:24
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:05:27
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:05:28
Grumpy Old Prop
this was, I, this was a bit of a shock seeing as, uh, how, how far sale went up at first. Um,
00:05:40
jarrod_dyke
you In a way, yes.
00:05:42
Grumpy Old Prop
like the, the, well, you know, everybody had Ernst Van Ryn scoring a try on their bingo card.
00:05:43
jarrod_dyke
In a way, yes.
00:05:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and then of course, you know, the backup, what, 20 year old, 19 year old comes in and, and, um, has a
00:05:49
jarrod_dyke
but Yeah, right.
00:05:57
Grumpy Old Prop
cuts a pretty good line for a try himself. And it's all of a sudden it's like, Hey, um, Glasgow, you might want to, you might want to do something about this. Although that that was, that, that was like a 20 point wind.
00:06:07
jarrod_dyke
Wake up. Yeah, wake up a little bit.
00:06:11
Grumpy Old Prop
So the fact that they came back and and put up, um, 12 before half, um, ah that kind of told, you know, told you where the game was going to go.
00:06:22
Grumpy Old Prop
I think, you know good, good start by sale, good 20 minutes.
00:06:23
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:06:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, And then the excellent response with, um was it 26 straight points? And yeah, sales scored late and made it interesting. um It was, you know, I think once, you know, once the second half started and, you know, the Glasgow had the wind, it was kind of over.
00:06:47
Grumpy Old Prop
You kind of saw it and Staines scored pretty quick, from quick on. And I was like okay, this is what it's going to look like.
00:06:50
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:06:53
jarrod_dyke
I mean,
00:06:56
jarrod_dyke
it was, the game was allowed to be a shit show because of fucking Bruce said, and it's like, this is why nobody likes French referees for the most part, because rocks are just a goddamn shit show.
00:07:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, there's that too.
00:07:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, they were terrible.
00:07:11
jarrod_dyke
And honestly, any, anybody that any, anybody like that Kiwis, they're not dissimilar either. Honestly, let's see Ben O'Keefe.
00:07:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:07:18
jarrod_dyke
Like, The rucks are just a shit show. And that of course, shithouse or extraordinaire thrives in those situations. So it's like, he's having such a great game. I'm like, has he done anything other than just be an asshole at the ruck?
00:07:31
jarrod_dyke
Cause that's pretty much all I've seen.
00:07:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I didn't, la and I mean, that was just a a poop lineup from Sale, too. So, like, you know Tom Curry is really the only, and Nathan Jaboulou, but, you know, McIntyre, Jean, like, Ernst Van Ryn, that's seven, with the Ernst Van Ryn and Jacques Vermeulen as your two flankers is
00:07:59
jarrod_dyke
You're only preparing for one thing.
00:08:01
Grumpy Old Prop
right. and And then, so you don't you don't have zero carriers outside of Jubulu in the forwards.
00:08:10
Grumpy Old Prop
And then Masi White got hurt early. but Anyway, I think we're we've been talking, honestly, I think we've been talking about this game too long already.
00:08:16
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, yeah.
00:08:17
Grumpy Old Prop
So, um yeah.
00:08:18
jarrod_dyke
No, i'm I'm not disagreeing. But, I mean, and then also, like, I watched, I actually had Bayonne and Stormers on the on the big screen and Bayonne spit the bit.
00:08:33
jarrod_dyke
There's no way around it.
00:08:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:08:35
jarrod_dyke
they they they There were points where I thought, all right, they're going to turn it right here. And they just, oh man, I wonder where the, you know, and It didn't help that Segglunds had a very bad game. He was not good.
00:08:51
jarrod_dyke
And really, I think he makes, from what I understand, he makes the boat go over there. So um that actually makes sense in a lot of ways. But at the same time, it's the it's probably the reason that things went so sideways for them because he was not good. They couldn't you know they couldn't get it to any the runners like, you know, Maury, uh, to brain, like I, I, yeah.
00:09:18
jarrod_dyke
I'm in, know, these are not names that are household over for, for those of us that don't watch French rugby, but from what I've seen, like those were their more effective runners.
00:09:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:09:27
jarrod_dyke
And yeah, they had a couple in the forwards too, but like, I'm, I'm sure, I'm sure their coaching staff was like, what did we do? Like, and I know,
00:09:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Well, I mean, that they're not really... with the they They were in this competition last year, if i'm not mistaken. Yeah. um So they should have a ah feel for it better than they did, especially with the South African team coming to them um and a somewhat depowered team at that.
00:09:46
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:09:57
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:09:57
Grumpy Old Prop
So, you know, you're missing your nine and ten.
00:09:58
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, i mean, they're...
00:10:02
Grumpy Old Prop
That's that.
00:10:02
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, they didn't have their usual 9 and 10.
00:10:04
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:10:05
jarrod_dyke
Some of their back row was on the bench. Some of it was not not there at all. I mean, you had a guy that usually plays...
00:10:12
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:10:17
jarrod_dyke
Fullback playing 10, I'm pretty sure.
00:10:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Well...
00:10:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Swart.
00:10:21
jarrod_dyke
and So i what I do need to know Is um is there is this a loophole that I don't know that is not like an unknown thing? like Replacing 20-minute red with a guy that's already been subbed off tactically.
00:10:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:10:38
jarrod_dyke
like That feels like a loophole. And I don't think it's a good one. Because...
00:10:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:10:44
jarrod_dyke
as much as we learned about, you know, even apart from say file play incidents that cause injuries, you can't replace someone that's been hurt with someone that's already been subbed. So why can you replace someone that's been red carded with someone that's been subbed?
00:10:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:10:58
jarrod_dyke
So I feel like that's ah either a, either loophole that needs to be closed or a huge fuck up by the refereeing team, which it's Emma Shekelly.
00:11:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Especially.
00:11:04
jarrod_dyke
So that's a possibility as well.
00:11:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, especially when Ronnell is on, you have, you actually have a player who hasn't been subbed on. So it's not like, yeah, and I know he's not that position, but at the same time, hey, you want 15 on the field.
00:11:13
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:11:16
jarrod_dyke
as so So as soon as they got back to, right, but as soon as they got back to eight forwards, that's when things really turned. Because while that 20-minute red card was out on there, that's when Bayonne took advantage.
00:11:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:11:29
jarrod_dyke
And because they weren't getting their ass kicked in the scrum. And as soon as they got, as soon as the Stormers got eight back, they just, you know, for lack of a better term, they staffed the shit out of this thing and just shut the whole thing down.
00:11:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:11:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:11:44
jarrod_dyke
And that was the end.
00:11:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:11:46
jarrod_dyke
So i think it's I think it's a big issue if it's not something that's been addressed. And i i think we get I think we got something we got to fix here.
00:11:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm.
00:11:59
jarrod_dyke
Just saying. i think it's I think it's a huge issue. But anyway, yeah. Bound didn't did enough to to win this game in any case. So, know.
00:12:11
jarrod_dyke
whether it was be lineup or whatever you know play anything it wasn't enough so yeah stormers fully deserved the every point they got came over all right so saturday's saturday it's easy for us to talk about it's only one game at least the first one the start of it
00:12:32
Grumpy Old Prop
The only one that mattered.
00:12:36
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, so Saturday early morning, I was watching this at, while was at work, because course because naturally we have a huge-ass TV in the gym, so we can we can watch that.
00:12:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:12:48
jarrod_dyke
um But yeah, I got to, so I'm trying to not get too excited while I'm watching this to make it super obvious. I'm paying probably more attention to this than I should, but at the same time,
00:13:01
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, I mean, the the
00:13:07
jarrod_dyke
first Sinti try, was just like, it was so close. And I was like, I can't see through all the, I'm trying to see through the racks at the gym to see if I can see the TV. I'm like, did it go out?
00:13:17
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:13:17
jarrod_dyke
Did it go out?
00:13:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:13:19
jarrod_dyke
ah But good news, it didn't.
00:13:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Nope. Got it down. Yep. Got it down.
00:13:25
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:13:25
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, that then it was kind of like just a arm wrestle even after, you know, even through a yellow card. um
00:13:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Just a.
00:13:36
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, i was I was worried when I kept looking up after after this yellow and I didn't see much going on for us.
00:13:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:13:41
jarrod_dyke
I was like, what what's going on here, guys?
00:13:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:13:43
jarrod_dyke
We got to take advantage of this. Like, this is this is the place and time to do it.
00:13:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. it was It was troublesome. No no doubt about it. But then it kind of just opened up the second Sinti try. um Max Malin is doing something that was awesome.
00:13:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yeah, it's just and, you know, built from there.
00:14:00
jarrod_dyke
Oh, man, that was good. and And, you know, this is the reason why you...
00:14:04
Grumpy Old Prop
He's a wing. OK, can we can we agree that he's a wing now?
00:14:10
jarrod_dyke
He's had two pretty good games at wing, and he's had a few really shit games at fullback. I think we can stick him at wing and be done.
00:14:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'm fine with that. Especially, you know, this this combination here, Calori and Malin's, I'm i'm dumb down with that.
00:14:20
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:14:27
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. No, no argument on me.
00:14:32
Grumpy Old Prop
And, you know, even Daly at fullback wasn't more than half bad.
00:14:32
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:14:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Mm-hmm.
00:14:37
jarrod_dyke
He didn't play terribly this game. I'll give him that.
00:14:39
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:14:39
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. you The chip through on the, the first Sinti tribal. He might've had a hand in the second one too, if I'm not mistaken.
00:14:45
Grumpy Old Prop
I think he did. he was He was good as a second distributor and um playing that well.
00:14:46
jarrod_dyke
Um,
00:14:49
Grumpy Old Prop
He wouldn't be my first choice like overall. like as ah as But it's one of those, okay, if he's not hurting them, he does he does have a little i running in him still.
00:15:02
Grumpy Old Prop
you know You don't need to be like the speed demon at fullback. does.
00:15:08
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm not saying it doesn't.
00:15:08
jarrod_dyke
It does help when you are, though. Mm-hmm.
00:15:10
Grumpy Old Prop
But i'm not saying it doesn't but um you know there's ah like it's not it as if you can do other things that's that's just as good especially if you have a boot like that's the that's the biggest thing is he can change field position so easily as long as his boots on yeah he hasn't been great lately right
00:15:30
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, when he's accurate, he's great. It's just, there for me, there's too many games where i'm just like, dude, what the fuck? That's my only issue with him. um
00:15:41
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, you know, I think in the end, while the one thing about the other card, though there was not any result of points, but there was a lot of looking in the same direction in terms of the camera.
00:15:57
jarrod_dyke
So there is, you know, while that's, yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot of work in there and, you know, I'm not a
00:15:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, a lot of work to defend being done. Mm
00:16:07
jarrod_dyke
you know i Yes, put making guys make tackles is a tactic, but it's the matter in what you execute it that I always have the problem with.
00:16:13
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:16:17
jarrod_dyke
It doesn't need to be a thousand pick and goes and death by a thousand paper cuts. It can be you know ah a one ball, a two ball, you know somebody ah somebody out the back and then a crash or whatever.
00:16:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:16:27
jarrod_dyke
and then you know Mixing it up is more what it's about, not you know going with one thing over and over again until you're f freaking you know till everyone's bored to shit so i think that's one thing i appreciate about the saracens they were trying different things and you can see it was just just missing here and there and it was like all right this this could turn into good things if we can keep the pressure up and that was my one worry is you know sometimes you just miss your chance and then you're in trouble um But thankfully, they were able to keep the pressure on, and good things happened afterwards. And what was the score at halftime? Pretty notable. 26-0, yeah.
00:17:03
jarrod_dyke
So the Hadfield try.
00:17:03
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah yeah yeah okay
00:17:06
jarrod_dyke
They all were going for Tiz, and Hadfield's like, ooh, hey, I like this. Easiest, probably the one of the easiest tries he scores for a while. But yeah,
00:17:18
jarrod_dyke
yeah it was, yeah, it's...
00:17:19
Grumpy Old Prop
and then tiz got his own later so
00:17:22
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, Tiz got one later, which was which was a nice little bit of play as well. So, yeah, this was a good start to the boys there. They're going to be going real, they're going to be in for quite a different trip coming up here.
00:17:35
jarrod_dyke
i I would really kill to know who got on the plane.
00:17:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:17:39
jarrod_dyke
Did everyone get on the plane?
00:17:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:17:42
jarrod_dyke
Like, did only a couple guys, did only certain few guys, like, who got on the plane? Please, just, like, tell us.
00:17:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:17:49
jarrod_dyke
like don't don't hold Don't hold that over us so anymore, please.
00:17:55
jarrod_dyke
ah the So the 10 o'clock window got a little funny for me because, or the 10, 15, whatever it was, because at 11, I was watching or eleven i was watching one one a kid I used to coach play
00:18:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:18:08
jarrod_dyke
in the university se finalals over here so I was a little bit back and forth between bulls and Bordeaux and, and La Rochelle and Lester. And I got a little bit of both and I got, I have La Rochelle Lester on right now.
00:18:23
jarrod_dyke
Um, it's now, to the it's almost to the point where it's not in though.
00:18:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I think what I watched. Yeah, i watched um Bulls Bordeaux. Wait, hold on. I have the wrong. How did that happen? Where the fuck am I?
00:18:36
jarrod_dyke
Why bulls Bordeaux here? We can talk about that. That's fine. Um,
00:18:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's that's what I mostly watched. I didn't I saw a little bit of.
00:18:42
jarrod_dyke
Oh, I watched, I had that on my, I had that on my small screen while I had the, the, the uni game on, on the big screen.
00:18:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:18:49
jarrod_dyke
Um, yeah, it was, I mean, looked like it was quite a game.
00:18:52
Grumpy Old Prop
That was there's a fun game. It was fun.
00:18:55
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. it looked like it was quite a game.
00:18:56
Grumpy Old Prop
There was a lot of lot of good rugby, a lot of running, just like just excellent display. um of of know what the sport can can provide.
00:19:10
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:19:10
Grumpy Old Prop
and Bordeaux is just such a... like Both teams played really well. um Pollard looked a lot more dynamic than he did at Leicester.
00:19:21
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:19:23
jarrod_dyke
It's wild.
00:19:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um Just some excellent tries from... ah Acker had a a pretty sweet try. and To me you know, i I always kind of... compare him to LCD because I feel like sale chose Luke Cowan Dickey over keeping Acker.
00:19:43
Grumpy Old Prop
think that was a mistake.
00:19:43
jarrod_dyke
Well, they let Acker walk and they, the and LCD ended up falling in their lap to be fair, but they did let, the first thing of it is they let, they let Acker walk.
00:19:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. To be fair. That's true.
00:19:53
jarrod_dyke
So we'll say that, which did result in eventually LCD coming to them.
00:19:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Which the man. Yeah. I would have. Right. I would have tried to avoid that, but because again again his try in this game showed why, but man, you're just so it'
00:20:09
Grumpy Old Prop
it's just the hard. how You're overmatched in a match like this with, um you know, Pano and BLBRA both, you know they scored three combined tries like.
00:20:18
jarrod_dyke
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:20:21
jarrod_dyke
Well, then you have Solicitor Riasi off the bench. Like, that's mean.
00:20:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right. Right.
00:20:27
jarrod_dyke
That's mean, dude. He had 87 meters. He was second in the game.
00:20:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And he only played 34 minutes.
00:20:36
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, only to Seb DeClerc, who had 104. He had 87.
00:20:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:20:40
jarrod_dyke
Like, jeezum.
00:20:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:20:43
jarrod_dyke
um
00:20:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Seb DeClercq was on fire, though.
00:20:44
jarrod_dyke
It didn't...
00:20:45
Grumpy Old Prop
he He was getting the ball a lot.
00:20:46
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, he was good.
00:20:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, he had the try, but he was heavily involved the rest of the way, too.
00:20:48
jarrod_dyke
He was good.
00:20:51
jarrod_dyke
might Might see him wear green at some point. he's he's been He's been good for the Bulls this season from what I understand as well. Right.
00:20:57
Grumpy Old Prop
he had Yeah, he has. My fantasy team can attest to it. um Because he's on it.
00:21:02
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:21:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I haven't been watching him, but I've been seeing the points that he's scored, and this was my first real experience to to get to see what what he could do. And, you know, against two international wings, maybe two of the, certainly two of the best wings in the world.
00:21:12
jarrod_dyke
right
00:21:14
jarrod_dyke
m
00:21:18
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:21:18
jarrod_dyke
yeah
00:21:19
Grumpy Old Prop
It's hard to say which one's better at this point. They they both bring a little bit different skills to the table, although also similar skills, just they apply them differently because Beal Berry is kind of tiny, and Pino is like, I will be a bully if I have to.
00:21:28
jarrod_dyke
Yep. A
00:21:32
jarrod_dyke
little bit. well He has the ability to be strong. I feel like BLBRA, give him like another year and he'll have the same type of strength that like DuPont has.
00:21:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:41
jarrod_dyke
Grant, DuPont's a freak in nature.
00:21:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Oh.
00:21:43
jarrod_dyke
But like because people assume so much about DuPont the first time that we saw him.
00:21:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:47
jarrod_dyke
And then he rocked.
00:21:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:21:48
jarrod_dyke
I don't remember who it was. i think it was someone from, not Italy, somebody else. Might have been Ireland and just absolutely maybe Wales.
00:21:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Was it Wales? Didn't he drag someone?
00:21:58
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:21:59
Grumpy Old Prop
wait. Like a Josh Adams type. Someone big, too.
00:22:03
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. I don't remember. was someone very sizable and just stood right up, stood him right up and drove him back. i was like, okay, this is not someone that you just run at and assume that things are going to happen the way you want them to, just because he's a scrum half.
00:22:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:15
jarrod_dyke
He's a freaking ancient though. But I think BLB could be like a year from where he's at least strong enough to withhold his own in there. Right now he's still a little tiny, very fast, but tiny.
00:22:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. But it works for him because like, yeah, he'll just I'll chip and chase and then you can't touch me. has like Fuck you, dude.
00:22:29
jarrod_dyke
Oh, I know. but I was like, oh boy. There's so many cases of why you don't let the ball bounce this weekend too. Cause you just saw it go sideways on so many people.
00:22:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:22:38
jarrod_dyke
Mail-ins we talked about earlier. This one for BLF. Like, yeah, don't let the ball bounce if you can help the kids. Cause it's a funny shaped one and you never know.
00:22:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:22:47
jarrod_dyke
It's absolutely a funny shaped one.
00:22:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:22:51
jarrod_dyke
um Yeah. So that was, that was good. It was great. It was a great game. ah You know, I was, While I was thoroughly entertained by watching one one game, this actually had me pulling my eyes away quite often.
00:23:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:23:04
jarrod_dyke
So it actually says a lot. um And then I got La Rochelle and Lester on. You know, they hung till half. And then Will Hurd got carded. And the wheels came off.
00:23:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, well.
00:23:22
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Jigoo try West, West penalty at the end. And then, and yeah, it was just, there was solid lull.
00:23:32
jarrod_dyke
I'm kind of in the lull right now here. Just, but there's a lot of, there's a lot more looking right with white attacking that way than looking left with green attacking the other way.
00:23:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:23:42
jarrod_dyke
So, you know, and and they're starting and Lester starting to,
00:23:46
Grumpy Old Prop
you can see I can see about a 20-minute completely flat period there. So, yeah.
00:23:51
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. And Lester start to bring on the subs, which their bench wasn't, you know, the bench you'd want if you're trying to win this game late.
00:24:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:24:01
jarrod_dyke
it is.
00:24:01
Grumpy Old Prop
No. I mean, to be to be blunt, this will did all the the starters, you know, some of them, yeah. But, like, if you're starting, look, no disrespect to...
00:24:14
Grumpy Old Prop
you know, someone like Billy Searle or George Pearson or James Thompson or Josh Menz. You're not starting these players in a championship, in a Champions Cup match against, certainly against La Rochelle and thinking you're coming out better.
00:24:23
jarrod_dyke
No.
00:24:31
jarrod_dyke
Multiple-time winner, La Rochelle at that.
00:24:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I mean, you know, Leicester are a multiple time winner, but you know, what, 20 years ago.
00:24:37
jarrod_dyke
La Rochelle much more recently with much with many of the players in this squad.
00:24:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right.
00:24:42
jarrod_dyke
Gregory, oh, man. When things go right for you, things go right for you. The Aldrich try that just fell into his lap because it was a it was a bo It was a bobble at the top of the line out. Clearly they were going for the drive and maybe, you know, Aldridge was going to be the guy to come in and secure it.
00:24:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh. Yeah.
00:24:57
jarrod_dyke
And it just fell into his hands and he beat, I don't know who, I think Charlie Clare was the hooker that was trying to defend that channel.
00:25:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:25:04
jarrod_dyke
And then left he got skinned and it left Tom Whiteley to, poor Tom Whiteley to defend himself.
00:25:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, that's mean. Don't do that.
00:25:11
jarrod_dyke
i don't remember who, I think someone else tried to help at the end, but it was mostly on Whiteley. was like, that's not happening anymore.
00:25:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:25:18
jarrod_dyke
but when good things happen good things you know when things are good things are good sometimes and that's just how it was for them um I will say because Ronegar was not in this yeah able to coach this match because he got another ban and while while admitting that French referees suck because he these are mostly coming from top 14 games that this happens. And the French media has issues. I think it's fair to say.
00:25:48
jarrod_dyke
Certainly French rugby media. If he could find a way to just button it for five minutes, because I feel like he's missing out on other of other opportunities because of these bans that are going on.
00:26:03
jarrod_dyke
And whether or not he's
00:26:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Probably. You don't want to.
00:26:06
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, exactly. You don't want to just have your...
00:26:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I'm not going to hire a coach who who isn't going be coaching half the year.
00:26:12
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, I don't know if he would... don't think he wants to go back to his native Munster or Island, honestly. But I think, you know, his name was being thrown around for the whales job.
00:26:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:26:24
jarrod_dyke
But if whales need a guy that's dependable... And he's not there because he can't shut his face. And I'm not saying it would necessarily be the same things over and over again, going from La Rochelle to Whalen's, that he would be complaining about.
00:26:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Yeah.
00:26:37
jarrod_dyke
But he's he just needs to learn.
00:26:40
Grumpy Old Prop
But...
00:26:40
jarrod_dyke
how like He just needs to shut it. like He really does. this is you know We gave Rousey tons of shit because of this, and it was all deserved.
00:26:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but...
00:26:49
jarrod_dyke
At this point, he's just as bad, if not worse.
00:26:52
Grumpy Old Prop
But also, um you know, you don't want someone who's going to be tough talking bad about, ah you know, people who aren't doing their jobs properly.
00:26:53
jarrod_dyke
You know?
00:27:01
Grumpy Old Prop
um yeah well Well, let's put it this way. The people in charge of Welsh rugby do not want anyone like that associated with their program.
00:27:08
jarrod_dyke
No, because they know that they're they're they're also as responsible for something like that.
00:27:10
Grumpy Old Prop
So, yeah.
00:27:14
jarrod_dyke
I think it's fair to say. um so
Dublin Games Focus
00:27:19
jarrod_dyke
yeah. And then going over to – let's go over to um Dublin.
00:27:25
jarrod_dyke
um God, I have to say, like, wait, who had the Bulls-Bordeaux game with the with the whistle? No.
00:27:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, I don't remember.
00:27:38
jarrod_dyke
Oh, Dickskin.
00:27:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah.
00:27:42
jarrod_dyke
But then we get, you know, Brace here, who who I saw a couple of penalties he gave to La Rochelle. I'm just like, nope. I can think of one Tigers fan that's probably throwing shit at the screen watching that. um And I wouldn't blame him one bit.
00:27:58
jarrod_dyke
And, know, we have Craig Evans, who is...
00:27:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:28:02
jarrod_dyke
I think there's only one referee that's worse than Craig Evans and Piardi, and we'll talk about him. Yeah. But damn, like Craig Evans is bad. But I also don't think it affected the outcome in this game.
00:28:15
jarrod_dyke
know,
00:28:15
Grumpy Old Prop
No. No, and and yeah, think I think someone in the comms booth said that, or maybe I saw a commentary elsewhere that you know you you have to wonder if Quinns aren't kind of kicking themselves a little bit because um you know starting Evans instead of Marcus and um You know, going with Laude and Carr rather than, you know, where's Chandler Cunningham South here? Where's Dom Brandt?
00:28:47
Grumpy Old Prop
um I don't, didn't Dom come off? her No, i don't think he did.
00:28:52
jarrod_dyke
No, i think he's okay.
00:28:52
Grumpy Old Prop
So I'm not sure. Like, if they went if they went just, the you know, if they went full noise, they they have a chance at this. Like, as they were saying, like, Leinster aren't what you think they are right now.
00:29:05
jarrod_dyke
No, no, certainly not this year. They're very beatable right now.
00:29:08
Grumpy Old Prop
But not if you put out your shags. um
00:29:11
jarrod_dyke
No, of course not.
00:29:13
Grumpy Old Prop
So, yeah, like where's, you know, Tyrone Green? Like, you know, that's the funny thing is like like from 11 to 14, that's a solid lineup.
00:29:18
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, agreed.
00:29:22
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm not, ah you know, no problem with Northmore Beard, Cleaves and Murley. I know they can do a little bit better than that, but that's fine.
00:29:30
jarrod_dyke
Cleese was solid this game.
00:29:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, Cleves had a sweet try, too. um
00:29:34
jarrod_dyke
Hmm.
00:29:36
Grumpy Old Prop
So, it's there. But Jared Evans is not winning you this game.
00:29:44
jarrod_dyke
No, no, no, no. It's really not.
00:29:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:29:48
jarrod_dyke
And then, yeah, I mean, you look at the cross and you look at the look at the bench that these guys are bringing on. Yes, there's a couple of relatively unknowns and or guys that are, you know, only starting to come into their to their own.
00:29:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:30:01
jarrod_dyke
Harry Byrne played really well when he came on, which is...
00:30:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:30:07
jarrod_dyke
Ross, where you at, dude? um And then you got Rico Iwani who comes in and plays midfield.
00:30:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:30:12
jarrod_dyke
And and at club level, he's fine. I think at international level, he needs to get stuck onto the wing.
00:30:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:30:18
jarrod_dyke
But club level, he's certainly fine. And especially when he's not going against the best guys across from him.
00:30:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:30:25
jarrod_dyke
Plain and simple. Like Bryn Bradley, Lucas Friday. Lucas Friday should play a lot more than anybody else besides Will Porter in terms of their nines.
00:30:35
jarrod_dyke
I have to say that.
00:30:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:30:36
jarrod_dyke
Like,
00:30:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:30:37
jarrod_dyke
a Very good young nine. you know, English, English, ah very English. His English come. He won the U-20 World Cup with them the other summer. So, like, he he should be one of those guys that, you know, Borthwick picks up the phone and calls Quinns and said, hey, get this guy as much time as you can. i want to see what he turns into.
00:30:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:30:57
jarrod_dyke
That would also require Borthwick to have his head out of his ass.
00:30:57
Grumpy Old Prop
And they should, cause like, well, you know, we'll, we'll yeah.
00:30:59
jarrod_dyke
But, you know.
00:31:00
Grumpy Old Prop
And we'll Porter's not no slouch at at a nine, but like you got to balance what you got now, especially where they are as a club with, okay, we want to see this.
00:31:03
jarrod_dyke
Nope.
00:31:08
jarrod_dyke
h
00:31:11
Grumpy Old Prop
This guy needs the time.
00:31:13
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, absolutely.
00:31:14
Grumpy Old Prop
But again, if you're Bortho doing that, how fucking hypocritical are you? Because you just played fucking George Ford over Finn Smith and games that you didn't didn't fucking matter whether you won or lost.
00:31:22
jarrod_dyke
Oh, and reference, see my see my reference about him pointing his head of his ass.
00:31:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:31:30
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, oh, yeah. And this was, and I forgot i forgot they signed to him. Stu Townsend is the other nine that they've been using as well. and When you have Porter and Friday, I don't know why you did that.
00:31:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, come on.
00:31:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:31:43
jarrod_dyke
and Especially when things are so tight. you have You have those two guys. Max Green is your break glass in case of emergency.
00:31:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:31:52
jarrod_dyke
you didn't need to You didn't need to spend any sort of coin on Townsend at all. And I mean at all.
00:31:56
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:31:57
jarrod_dyke
So that was just silly in my opinion. But what do I know?
00:32:04
jarrod_dyke
um Yeah, this Linster team will be gettable by a team that actually puts it out.
00:32:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:32:13
jarrod_dyke
don't don't Don't be mistaken by that. um
00:32:19
jarrod_dyke
Can't even really talk about Bath Munster because couldn't fucking watch it.
00:32:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Couldn't watch it.
00:32:24
jarrod_dyke
Thank you, Flo, you fucking douchebags.
00:32:29
jarrod_dyke
Love a company that doesn't understand that they're just complete shit. But, you know, whatever. um We can go to Parky Scarlet's, though. um Yeah, I... We talked about... I don't think the record for Team Take the Three was as bad this week as it was last.
00:32:51
jarrod_dyke
But it wasn't good. And Scarlet's are the first ones that come to mind.
00:32:53
Grumpy Old Prop
No, and this one, right. Yeah. We'll get to the anti-team kick, take the points in a second too. Well, not in a second, in a couple minutes.
00:33:04
jarrod_dyke
But did you did you hear Cuthbert making the comment about it? Like, oh, you have the momentum. Take three. i was like, time out.
00:33:16
jarrod_dyke
The math ain't math in there, dude.
00:33:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:18
jarrod_dyke
That doesn't add up. What are you talking about? You have the momentum, so take three. You have the momentum. Stick it in the fucking corner, you idiot. Like, oh.
00:33:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:27
jarrod_dyke
any I don't know, man.
00:33:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Like...
00:33:31
jarrod_dyke
I don't know.
00:33:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, the the team that scored three tries beat the team that scored one try. That math is mathing.
00:33:39
jarrod_dyke
it wouldn't have been as close if freaking Bristol could convert for their life.
00:33:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, yeah. But again, you know... Yeah, Worsley, he had a good game last week, so he's down due for an off week. I mean, as somebody said, this is your Bristol team. This is what Bristol have always have been. You know, they'll play great one week and then play like shit the next. I mean, this and in this case, they're they're playing like shit was enough to beat Scarlet's on the road.
00:34:06
Grumpy Old Prop
So I think it says more much more about Scarlet's than it does.
00:34:07
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, and and really it was probably to their fortune that this was their game.
00:34:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like if they have one game in this, certainly in this competition that they can poop off for, it was this one. So you got away with it. Good job.
00:34:22
jarrod_dyke
yeah Yeah.
00:34:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Pick it the fuck up.
00:34:25
jarrod_dyke
Wake up.
00:34:26
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah wake up damn it
00:34:26
jarrod_dyke
Wake up! ah ah um Yeah, I just, you can see it on Patland's face. Like, are we going find a way to fuck this up a little bit here and there?
00:34:37
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah right um yeah but uh you know in the end rovovo and mata we're not gonna let them not score so there that little pop out to mata for i think it was his second try i can't remember which was which um
00:34:39
jarrod_dyke
Definitely worried. For good reason.
00:34:48
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that was unfair.
00:34:58
jarrod_dyke
Oh, I know.
00:34:59
Grumpy Old Prop
No, was his first try.
00:34:59
jarrod_dyke
and well, it was his first try.
00:34:59
Grumpy Old Prop
It was his first try.
00:35:01
jarrod_dyke
But yeah, I'm watching it. I'm like, Mata knew this was coming because they, they've played obviously here, um but they've also played together VG.
00:35:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh-huh.
00:35:10
jarrod_dyke
So I was like, Mata knew this was happening. like And that's why he was just able to grab it and go because he was ready for it.
00:35:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:35:16
jarrod_dyke
He's like, number one, he's been training with this guy in at his club for a while now. And he's also been training internationally with this guy for a while now.
00:35:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:35:24
jarrod_dyke
So he's like, this is his guys, the only one that ah one of you that doesn't that knows what's happening right now is Billy Mata. Everyone else is just like, I have no idea going to happen next.
00:35:35
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, that happened. So good things happen in those situations, clearly. um Let's go to Sunday morning.
00:35:48
jarrod_dyke
Early Sunday morning here. Power Northampton.
00:35:54
jarrod_dyke
You know, do I charge ruined games?
00:35:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, it's a fact.
00:36:01
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:36:02
Grumpy Old Prop
You can't win if you get red carded. Even if you've already scored. Well, I mean, it helps when you're the guy who gets red carded has already scored two tries.
00:36:09
jarrod_dyke
Twice.
00:36:09
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:36:10
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, that's true.
00:36:12
Grumpy Old Prop
So, yeah.
00:36:12
jarrod_dyke
That is true. Mm-hmm.
00:36:16
Grumpy Old Prop
There's that. And then, you know, Powell really put up a fight, but this is this is not... You can see the difference in class. um And so put it this way. When you have we haven't talked about this in a while, um but I'm going to bring it up here.
00:36:36
Grumpy Old Prop
When you have funky hair that makes you really stand out, who is it? Thomas Jones? I can't remember if it's a soft J.
00:36:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Jones.
00:36:47
jarrod_dyke
I think it's soft, Jay.
00:36:51
Grumpy Old Prop
He stood out. I could see him everywhere. Every time like you could see that freaking mop...
00:36:58
jarrod_dyke
but Yeah.
00:36:58
Grumpy Old Prop
just like bouncing all over the place because he's hitting somebody or, or he's running with it. Like that's, you know, okay, good. Yes. You, you not only should you, I really, you know, you're allowed to have it.
00:37:11
Grumpy Old Prop
I would encourage it because like, that's one of those, like coaches see that too.
00:37:13
jarrod_dyke
a
00:37:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, you know, um it's going to be hard to miss.
00:37:15
jarrod_dyke
a
00:37:18
Grumpy Old Prop
So like, you're going to get playing time if you play like that with, with, you know, noticeable hair. um So good on you.
00:37:27
Grumpy Old Prop
but at the same time at the same time that the the guys on the other side um like if if vandermesh had like a half a hand um instead of dick hands um i'm pretty sure northampton would have had like two or three tries early pretty early on he kept knocking it on or or um like dropping it or throwing it forward um
00:37:27
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, free flowing. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:43
jarrod_dyke
yeah
00:37:52
jarrod_dyke
yeah
00:37:54
Grumpy Old Prop
But like, and he wasn't the only one. It's just, but again, when you're fucking massive, it's hard to miss. um
00:38:01
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:38:02
Grumpy Old Prop
but Yeah, this this was a story of Saints like basically doing what they wanted and just, you know, when they fuck it up, that's that was the, that that was Pau's best defense early.
00:38:02
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, but
00:38:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And so, yeah, it kind of played out the way, you know, played out that way over the course of the game too.
00:38:19
jarrod_dyke
the...
00:38:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Saints got a little on track and, you know, Pau, took their time. I mean, they were in the lead for a while, but it was like whenever Saints start clicking, this is over.
00:38:29
jarrod_dyke
yeah but
00:38:32
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, and they and they were another team that so the had, you know, three on their mind every time. It's like, what dude, get get yourselves.
00:38:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. True.
00:38:42
jarrod_dyke
They only ended up with three tries, didn't they? they making that up?
00:38:45
Grumpy Old Prop
I think that's they ended with, yeah, three tries.
00:38:50
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:38:50
Grumpy Old Prop
So two and only two palmy kicks, but still that's two, too many.
00:38:51
jarrod_dyke
Like.
00:38:54
jarrod_dyke
still it's too, too many to beat this team. You know, in the grand scheme of things, if you want to progress in this competition, you need as many points in the, in that table as possible.
00:38:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:39:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:39:07
jarrod_dyke
So yeah, you were, you had your bonus, you're losing bonus point taken away by North Hampton.
00:39:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. It's this.
00:39:12
jarrod_dyke
They were, and they and they were smart. Like, Mitchell's like, do we have four? Yes, we have four. Okay, cool. Three.
00:39:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:39:20
jarrod_dyke
Certainly appropriate moment to take three right there to take away the the losing bonus from, you know, a team in in your group and to end the game.
00:39:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh-huh.
00:39:28
jarrod_dyke
Done.
00:39:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:39:29
jarrod_dyke
Perfectly fine. But and because Powell didn't bother to go get themselves a fourth try. They walk away with zero. and that's And to walk away with zero from your home game is really it is really devastating to your chances.
00:39:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:39:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:39:46
jarrod_dyke
You certainly cannot do that again in any game, and that includes your away ones now too. So it's a big ask after that usually.
00:39:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:39:54
jarrod_dyke
Usually. right We'll see. But think they go two Quinns this week, right? You want to make that
00:40:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Who do we sorry? How are Bristol?
00:40:10
jarrod_dyke
I knew they were going to England. Just we put them on had the wrong team.
00:40:13
Grumpy Old Prop
That's still um yeah, that's that's still rough.
00:40:17
jarrod_dyke
m
00:40:17
Grumpy Old Prop
That's actually rougher. Like Bristol is going to be tough at home. um
00:40:22
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, Bristol have already had their poo match, so.
00:40:22
Grumpy Old Prop
As you know. Right. They've already had their poo match and, you know, gotten their Champions Cup rust off. So. Yeah.
00:40:33
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:40:39
jarrod_dyke
So, speaking rust, um to lose Sharks,
Summary of Key Matches
00:40:48
jarrod_dyke
I caught probably the best moment I could for the sake of the Sharks, which was shortly after halftime.
00:40:52
Grumpy Old Prop
but who The room alone. Oh, okay.
00:40:54
jarrod_dyke
Well, yes, LaRue Milan and and in general.
00:40:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Was what happened at the time?
00:40:58
Grumpy Old Prop
if No, he got it.
00:40:59
jarrod_dyke
But, no, I wish, oh, man, I wish I had seen his I didn't watch that.
00:41:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I thought you searched over.
00:41:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I didn't see it either.
00:41:04
jarrod_dyke
I was... Good for him, though. That's great. Couldn't be happier for the dude. um
00:41:10
Grumpy Old Prop
May have to go least find the highlights. Yeah.
00:41:14
jarrod_dyke
Roland, yeah. That's the one thing that Flo's got right so far is the goddamn highlights.
00:41:18
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:41:19
jarrod_dyke
um and i mean, in general, this was always going to be a to-lose game. It's just a matter of by how much.
00:41:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:41:25
jarrod_dyke
But the Sharks fought back a little bit at halftime. They oh they read too they got down to, what, two scores, I think?
00:41:34
jarrod_dyke
No, not quite.
00:41:34
Grumpy Old Prop
No, it was never two scores.
00:41:36
jarrod_dyke
Not quite.
00:41:36
Grumpy Old Prop
They got it or 28-12, so 16 points.
00:41:37
jarrod_dyke
Not quite, yeah.
00:41:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:41:39
jarrod_dyke
twenty eight 2812. Yeah. twelve
00:41:39
Grumpy Old Prop
sixteen points
00:41:41
jarrod_dyke
yeah So, but still, it was like, it was a lull for Toulouse. They came out kind of flat, I think that's fair to say. um
00:41:52
jarrod_dyke
But then, yeah, never mind. Forget it. They were, after that, it's like, oh wait, we're Toulouse.
00:41:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Well, it didn't help that.
00:41:56
jarrod_dyke
That's right.
00:41:59
Grumpy Old Prop
I honestly, think it really didn't help that Ntamak dropped late. And so Ramos had to slot in at 10. um
00:42:09
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, it's ah it's a shift.
00:42:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Because he didn't play well. Certainly not early on.
00:42:14
jarrod_dyke
Ramos.
00:42:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Ramos, yeah. He was playing. He had a little bit of mackenzie Damian McKenzie to his game where he was like clearly in a fullback mindset and had to switch it out into a
00:42:23
jarrod_dyke
Yep, okay. Yep.
00:42:24
Grumpy Old Prop
into the more distribution-y 10 position because it just it it wasn't clicking well.
00:42:27
jarrod_dyke
Gotcha.
00:42:30
Grumpy Old Prop
his his His passing was off. I mean, obviously it didn't exactly stop them from scoring, um but they could have scored a lot more if he if he was on point.
00:42:42
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, like, yeah, they they crushed it. They had bonus point 24 minutes or 23 minutes in
00:42:48
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:42:48
Grumpy Old Prop
But then they didn't score again for you half the game. It was 62 minutes before they scored. they They put another score in. So you know they scored the first quarter and the the fourth quarter. But the those middle two, they didn't do shit. So um
00:43:01
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:43:03
Grumpy Old Prop
that was a little bit.
00:43:04
jarrod_dyke
Probably best that they had the opponents that they did in that case.
00:43:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:43:08
jarrod_dyke
And I imagine that the point where the dam broke was probably also where the sharks really put on many of their subs.
00:43:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but I mean, Dan broke the first 20 minutes already.
00:43:20
jarrod_dyke
So.
00:43:23
Grumpy Old Prop
And
00:43:24
jarrod_dyke
Hmm.
00:43:24
Grumpy Old Prop
um and then, of course, DuPont was ah you was was in by that by the time that the Sharks were were really making the getting into their subs. DuPont was already on, which was he was a problem.
00:43:34
jarrod_dyke
Hmm.
00:43:37
jarrod_dyke
That's yeah, that's a problem.
00:43:37
Grumpy Old Prop
As he is. i though That's shocking. Right.
00:43:40
jarrod_dyke
okay Generally not fun to follow. 44 meters, yeah.
00:43:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:43:45
jarrod_dyke
i would That would be super. Where are they going this weekend?
00:43:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Toulouse.
00:43:52
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:43:53
Grumpy Old Prop
They are going to. hold on
00:43:55
jarrod_dyke
I'm looking.
00:44:00
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Glasgow are going to Glasgow Gloucester.
00:44:00
jarrod_dyke
Munster? Glasgow.
00:44:02
Grumpy Old Prop
I know Glasgow.
00:44:04
jarrod_dyke
Glasgow. Yeah, my guy right here. Yeah, Glasgow. yeah That'll be an interesting. That's intriguing. That'll be interesting. That's interesting. I wonder, I'm going to be very, very interested to see how that game goes.
00:44:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Some fine Scottish weather on the horizon. I'll see see how that works out for for France.
00:44:23
jarrod_dyke
As there, as there was in the, ah in the other, in the last game, but we're not there yet. We're close.
00:44:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:44:28
jarrod_dyke
um Gloucester and cast. um You know, it was, so there was an, there was a pretty nasty one in this game. um
00:44:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:44:38
jarrod_dyke
It was favoring, it was clearly favoring one direction, maybe a little bit across the pitch, like towards the shed.
00:44:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:44:45
jarrod_dyke
Um, but it was, so it was clear, very clear that it was like, you're going to need do shit in one half of the other. Um, and the, um,
00:44:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:45:00
jarrod_dyke
And Cast went with wind into the wind to start the game hour and didn't do shit when they got the wind. And it took Gloucester, the better part of the game, to finally open things up and unlock this thing.
00:45:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, think.
00:45:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:45:15
jarrod_dyke
But it wasn't... Yeah, this was...
00:45:23
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, I mean, I just don't, I'm not convinced that Cast quite did did enough and they'd let Gloucester hang around too long. This is their home. They're, you know, they'll find some juice from their home crowd if you let them stay in it long enough.
00:45:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:45:37
jarrod_dyke
So you have to, on the road, you have to put them away.
00:45:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:45:40
jarrod_dyke
And I know Cast is not necessarily a team that cares much about this competition, but like, damn, you know?
00:45:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:45:43
Grumpy Old Prop
No, no, this was, yeah, they were kind of like, okay, whatever, let's play some rug, some footy and go home. um And they didn't start their best team.
00:45:50
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:45:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Like there's, this was a, just a kind of a fuck around. And then, you know, if you're going to go into the shed, it's, you got to go in, um you know, Finn Russell style.
00:46:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I want to eat your heart and shush you after I make the winning kick.
00:46:07
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:46:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, that's that's the kind of, you know, rugby you got to bring to the table.
00:46:10
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, something like that.
00:46:15
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, that that just wasn't in them this weekend. So.
00:46:19
jarrod_dyke
No. No.
00:46:25
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, I'd say Baudiang needs to chill the fuck out. he yet He definitely got a hair across his ass in this game. I'd
00:46:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:46:32
jarrod_dyke
you know i
00:46:36
jarrod_dyke
i'd say And i was I was in particularly interested in this game in the referee because a lot of people are kind of meh on him. And if we're talking about looking for people that are younger and potentially going to be good, think he's there.
00:46:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right.
00:46:52
jarrod_dyke
ah think Sam Grove-White is there. Yeah. I think the one incident that he kind of got wrong in the balance of it was the little pushy shovesies where he gave a penalty to Ludlow.
00:47:01
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:47:03
jarrod_dyke
But at the same time, Ludlow, you got to know, don't put yourself in that situation where the guy can take a half dive over the board and you're going to lose the penalty. Like, you're probably already going to win it because the guy decided to be an asshole and shove you for no reason.
00:47:10
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:47:15
jarrod_dyke
Like, just cool your jets.
00:47:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:47:18
jarrod_dyke
I did appreciate Avalabi Sotban just being like, No, you don't. Like, finger right in his face.
00:47:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:47:25
jarrod_dyke
Like, you, sir, you will calm down.
00:47:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:47:27
jarrod_dyke
You listen to me now.
00:47:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:47:30
jarrod_dyke
Appreciate that about him. But, yeah, just got to be smarter. just And, yeah, okay, so it was probably a sell job, and i and that's that is bad.
00:47:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:47:40
jarrod_dyke
But I honestly don't know if Grove White had a bad moment otherwise. So i I give him credit. Like, you I hope, I hope this is not, not his best game.
00:47:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And...
00:47:50
jarrod_dyke
I hope this is his floor, not a ceiling. Maybe his average.
00:47:53
Grumpy Old Prop
But even getting that wrong is is you're still getting it right rather than doing nothing. Because we've seen the referees who will who who will just be like, okay, don't do that again.
00:47:59
jarrod_dyke
Oh yeah. Doing nothing. is
00:48:03
Grumpy Old Prop
like i don't want to see it anymore.
00:48:04
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:48:05
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, well, you keep seeing it. And why? Because you're not holding anybody accountable. Even if you hold the wrong person accountable or, you know, you you buy a sell...
00:48:09
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:48:13
jarrod_dyke
People get the message.
00:48:15
Grumpy Old Prop
right it's like okay fuck i can't do that again yeah and it's if it's just a penalty rather you know yeah oh god
00:48:16
jarrod_dyke
people People get the message. Yeah. And Amish Kelly is the first person I think of in that situation. He would definitely be someone that would do absolutely nothing about it.
00:48:26
Grumpy Old Prop
like guys cool it guys cool it guys cool it it's like yeah it's like dude he's needs a ah pep talk from uh yeah i know who is it uh um
00:48:29
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Come on, guys. Knock it off.
00:48:36
jarrod_dyke
Do something.
00:48:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck. Barksdale from Yvonne Barksdale. You're the ref. Fucking act like.
00:48:45
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:48:46
Grumpy Old Prop
like Do your job.
00:48:47
jarrod_dyke
but yeah yeah yeah
00:48:48
Grumpy Old Prop
like No do over. Because I don't cause i't like the result. What the fuck's wrong with you? Yeah. like
00:48:56
jarrod_dyke
yeah exactly um and so for Gloucester and then we'll get to too long and then we can wrap wrap that up um two names that stood out in the back line for me and besides Thomas Williams Thomas Williams had a great
00:49:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Charlie Atkinson.
00:49:13
jarrod_dyke
Had a great game and deserved his player of the match. Both were named Atkinson.
00:49:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:49:19
jarrod_dyke
Seven, Charlie. Both very good in this game. Charlie came on and clearly propelled them into what was mad game into, okay we got four tries and we're going walk away with a clear win.
00:49:23
Grumpy Old Prop
They.
00:49:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:49:33
jarrod_dyke
So, yeah, loads of credit to him.
00:49:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I was kind of surprised that that they brought on Rob Russell. um Instead of Charlie. When Llewellyn went down.
00:49:41
jarrod_dyke
Hmm.
00:49:43
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:49:43
jarrod_dyke
I think Rob Russell played terribly.
00:49:44
Grumpy Old Prop
But.
00:49:45
jarrod_dyke
I thought he would, I think, i think he was doing the dirty work, which isn't flashy.
00:49:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:49:50
jarrod_dyke
And I know it's not what is needed all the time, but I don't think he played terribly either, but you're right. Charlie Atkinson, I think would have been better.
00:49:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's not a and look. It's not my position to make that that kind of call. um I was just I was it was more like I was surprised.
00:50:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I thought that that he'd be the first on over over Russell, um especially at like a but potential center position.
00:50:06
jarrod_dyke
Hmm.
00:50:11
Grumpy Old Prop
But um I mean, it worked out like you just said, Russell played well. So maybe that was it. Maybe they really only wanted to play Atkinson 40. And that like, there was a plan for that. um
00:50:21
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, well they they well, they shifted Joseph in the middle until he got hurt.
00:50:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:50:28
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, he was doomed.
00:50:29
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
00:50:30
jarrod_dyke
I was like, yeah, you're not fishing. Sorry, dude. Poor guy. Yeah,
00:50:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:50:37
jarrod_dyke
yeah and then, so let's go let's go up to a very, very, very very rainy Edinburgh.
00:50:43
Grumpy Old Prop
So can, before we get into it,
00:50:44
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:50:45
Grumpy Old Prop
I want to talk about you know talk about team take the points again, having your having a referee, which again, this is not a take the points competition.
00:50:53
jarrod_dyke
Love it.
00:50:54
Grumpy Old Prop
The one key thing, and I don't know if you heard it, and you know me, I don't i generally don't hear commentators say things, but this one um snuck through the filter. And it was that um Edinburgh, I don't think they have a penalty kick at goal all year.
00:51:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Like if they get a penalty, they're going to the corner every time.
00:51:10
jarrod_dyke
Right.
00:51:14
jarrod_dyke
love it
00:51:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, which is, is surprising, but and again, in this competition, that's what you do. Um, and I think it cause it was, uh, what Scott actually, they, they, they did actually have a penalty. Their first points were a penalty kick, which is kind of ironic, but I think they'd been there for a while. It wasn't anything, you know I mean, well, it was nine minutes. Eh.
00:51:39
Grumpy Old Prop
and Maybe it was just a free point situation. I don't remember. Or was that the really long distance one? That was like one at midfield. they're just like, fuck it, go for it. um But, yeah.
00:51:50
jarrod_dyke
I'll tell you in a minute, I'm watching it right now. I just looked over to it right now.
00:51:55
Grumpy Old Prop
But it was interesting because they did spend a lot of time kicking for corner.
00:51:56
jarrod_dyke
i'll say
00:51:58
Grumpy Old Prop
um Unless I have it backwards and that was too long doing that, but.
00:52:00
jarrod_dyke
It was... It's, um it they're they're setting it up right now. It's on the 10, their side, the attacking side, but it's dead in front.
00:52:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:52:12
jarrod_dyke
It's dead in front.
00:52:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:13
jarrod_dyke
So, and although in this crap weather, i'm not sure I want that either, but they clearly thought that they were going to be able to get this and they did.
00:52:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:52:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And again, that's okay. As long as you continue to go for tries.
00:52:28
jarrod_dyke
Me-ah, dude would have had that from 50, holy shit.
00:52:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:32
jarrod_dyke
had that from fifty plus damn Yeah, this was not a joke team that that's too long said.
00:52:32
Grumpy Old Prop
It's got a little bit. Maybe, maybe it was the, the sis is, uh, well, he had, he ended up with three. Holy shit. Um,
00:52:42
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, it just
00:52:47
Grumpy Old Prop
some some solid play from from Edinburgh. And you know against a non non non-slouch team, too. So this was a... Right.
00:53:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, just just fair play to to Edinburgh for for rocking up and and crushing it. and
00:53:10
jarrod_dyke
Well, as far as I understand, at the Hive, they are they've not lost at the Hive yet, don't think, this year.
00:53:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Ben White, though.
00:53:15
Grumpy Old Prop
to him right
00:53:16
jarrod_dyke
So 100% record, and that's hard that's always hard to break. So, yeah, they've got and they've got some, I think in an ideal situation, they're putting Westacuson at 13, but um so be it.
00:53:33
jarrod_dyke
They have Piers or Connor.
00:53:33
Grumpy Old Prop
right yeah it's true yeah um
00:53:33
jarrod_dyke
I might have stuck him in there instead. But it is what it is.
00:53:42
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, the the the the bends at Scrum half were were pretty pretty dominant this game too.
00:53:42
jarrod_dyke
When I got the job done.
00:53:48
Grumpy Old Prop
White had two.
00:53:48
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, two two Scottish scrum halves.
00:53:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, Velikot had one and in in response as well. So just no backing down in that Edinburgh team.
00:53:57
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:53:58
Grumpy Old Prop
and um
00:54:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it was funny how the – obviously the Scottish nine, but the England forwards were –
00:54:12
Grumpy Old Prop
somewhat inconspicuous except for we'll get to my my beefs with ribbons later um losing his head but Sinclair Mercer Ludlam I didn't really notice them so much
00:54:18
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm, but Sinclair and Mercer.
00:54:24
jarrod_dyke
Mm, another one.
00:54:27
jarrod_dyke
Mm.
00:54:31
Grumpy Old Prop
kind of disappointing
00:54:33
jarrod_dyke
I will say for the sake of too long, well, the team they're putting together has a lot of wonderful names to look at and watch. I feel like they're still stuck in the old Galacticos mindset back when Johnny Wilkinson was playing for them.
00:54:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:54:50
jarrod_dyke
And you can roll off the name the names that were on that team that won three in a row. I feel like they're still stuck a little bit in that because while there there are some there are players on this team on this team that are French internationals, there's also quite a few outside players on this team and contrast that with what you look at with Bordeaux and Toulouse, they've sprinkled in the non-French international players well and in the right places.
00:55:23
jarrod_dyke
I feel like Toulon's just trying to throw these guys in as Band-Aids and or think that this is actually going to answer their problems. and' like no Zach Mercer's good.
00:55:33
jarrod_dyke
Lewis Lotham's good. Ribeye's good. Ben White or BC Brex, all very good players. Sinclair's, yeah, quality. We know our our love for him.
00:55:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Garbisi
00:55:43
jarrod_dyke
But they...
00:55:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Garbisi was like held was like put in a cage it felt like for this game he didn't do shit he just he was just a passer and it's like how can you have that you have ah ah hell of a running 10 and you kind of just take the ball out of his hands I didn't I think that was that was problematic too um he's a guy i want looking for second touches or or that guy who's out the back like maybe you put um sinzel at first receiver with brex on his outside and then um garbisi slot you know swings around gets the outside and and has the option option to run or pass and it's like i don't feel like they were doing that enough with him putting him in position to be a runner um he certainly wasn't taken if they were
00:56:15
jarrod_dyke
Yep. Yep.
00:56:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Or it just wasn't nothing was there. And that's that's problematic because i don't think, you know, obviously him and Brex have their relationship from from Italy. And I thought Brex was also kind of poor, but so it's one of those you can't take these guys who do this one thing really well and say, OK, neither of you, you're not we're not doing that with you guys.
00:56:45
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like I would do the opposite. I'd be like, oh, this is what you guys are good at at an international level.
00:56:48
jarrod_dyke
yeah
00:56:51
Grumpy Old Prop
would Do that for me, please.
00:56:53
jarrod_dyke
yeah yeah exactly no agreed so yeah I i think Tulan still find ways to get out of this group but
00:57:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:57:05
jarrod_dyke
The return to Champions Cup of Glory for them won't happen until they find a better formula than what's been going on there of late. think that's fair to say. All right. We got some superlatives.
00:57:23
jarrod_dyke
I'm trying to run through these somewhat quickly. um Stood out more than usual, perhaps.
00:57:33
Grumpy Old Prop
um Shoot, I had some guys for this, but I am losing them. A couple of the Leinster fellows, I thought... Who was it?
00:57:43
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:57:44
Grumpy Old Prop
they're fuck I'm getting back to the game. so i could Sort of how it was. it was good It was interesting to see Jack Conan have a better game than Kalen Doris. It's been a while for that.
00:57:55
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:57:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Frawley. Frawley had a pretty good game at 12, including that that pretty sweet try.
00:57:58
jarrod_dyke
oh cra all yeah
00:58:00
Grumpy Old Prop
so He's the one I wanted to point out.
00:58:01
jarrod_dyke
yeah he's been baed up so it's good to see him back out there
00:58:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's going to be key if Leinster are going to be anything this year in either of these competitions.
00:58:12
jarrod_dyke
like so as well
00:58:15
jarrod_dyke
um
00:58:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Max Malin's actually shown a little bit of a flash too. That was cool. um Tomos Williams hasn't been that great this in in the Prem, so good to see him.
00:58:26
Grumpy Old Prop
i mean, he's been solid, but um not quite as impactful as he was this game.
00:58:31
jarrod_dyke
it hasn't been the player he was last year. i think that's fair to say.
00:58:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:36
jarrod_dyke
Yep. Yep. Yep. Agreed.
00:58:42
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Um, stain another one.
00:58:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:47
jarrod_dyke
That's one that comes to mind.
00:58:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:58:48
jarrod_dyke
I don't know how Josh McKay got player of the match in that game.
00:58:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Me neither.
00:58:51
jarrod_dyke
Probably because Indy good picked it. Cause he's an idiot. We had, we had that Muppet three times this weekend. had, I had one on mute the first time I want, I had it on twice.
00:59:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:59:01
jarrod_dyke
So I thought, Oh, okay. He only got one game. And then no bad news is he he was on three different times. I just happened meet him. The other two.
00:59:07
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:59:08
jarrod_dyke
Oh God. Uh, what a shame. Um, Anyway, ah shit the bed.
00:59:23
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, Scarlet's and Bristol, that that whole game was a bed shit to be blunt.
00:59:28
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:59:29
Grumpy Old Prop
ah And you can tell by the score again, um this was definitely one of those where actually I pretty much throughout this competition,
00:59:30
jarrod_dyke
Bear.
00:59:36
Grumpy Old Prop
the scoreline matched, you know, the, the, the level of play of the team. Um, maybe not Claremont. That might be a little tough on them because 10 points, but it's Saracens at home. And that's a tough ask that that with that defense, that's, you know, whatever adjusting for inflation.
00:59:48
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:59:51
Grumpy Old Prop
That makes sense. So like Scarlet's Bristol had the third and fourth high, uh, lowest points for totals on the, um, on the weekend. So,
01:00:05
jarrod_dyke
Yikes. Yeah, that's like that's not a good sign.
01:00:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, because it was it was cast 10. I'm sorry. um Claremont at 10, cast 14. Scarlet's at 16. Bristol and Bayonne tied with 17. And yeah.
01:00:19
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, Bayonne.
01:00:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, I'm sorry. Munster only had 14. Munster was in there with 14.
01:00:22
jarrod_dyke
Mustard didn't, yeah.
01:00:22
Grumpy Old Prop
I didn't get to see that game.
01:00:23
jarrod_dyke
that but we did But we didn't watch the fucking game, so...
01:00:23
Grumpy Old Prop
So I'd
01:00:26
jarrod_dyke
Can't hold us accountable for that one. um Yeah. Yeah, Bayonne shatted too.
01:00:31
Grumpy Old Prop
go Munster in that, I guess. Because how do you only score 14? Yeah. yeah
01:00:37
jarrod_dyke
I don't know. I think it was a little closer at halftime, and then Bath just pulled away, but ah I wouldn't know.
01:00:43
Grumpy Old Prop
don't know.
01:00:43
jarrod_dyke
um
01:00:48
jarrod_dyke
ah Coach, yeah, young player, ref.
01:00:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Um... Coach... Um...
01:01:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'm not sure. Skivs, I guess. Getting a Champions Cup win.
01:01:04
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
01:01:05
Grumpy Old Prop
that Again, he's... His seat i has to be hottest at the Prem at the moment.
01:01:12
jarrod_dyke
I would say so, yeah.
01:01:12
Grumpy Old Prop
So... um to do something like this is helpful for his cause
01:01:15
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
01:01:18
jarrod_dyke
Yep, it usually is. usually is. Yeah, that was that was a solid win. I think it's something you'd be happy with. um
01:01:29
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, I mean, ah so, and while he's not coach the week, I gotta believe Franco Smith sniffing out something soon because he's been a good coach at Glasgow for a long time.
01:01:40
jarrod_dyke
Um, has, has got them a URC title. Even, you know, they've competed in this competition quite well.
01:01:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:01:46
Grumpy Old Prop
m
01:01:46
jarrod_dyke
Um, doesn't always have the best options either and still makes good on it usually.
01:01:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:01:51
jarrod_dyke
So I give, I give, him give them some credit. Um,
01:01:55
Grumpy Old Prop
That's a good shout.
01:01:56
jarrod_dyke
And then young player, young player. Like we talked about the Atkinsons, Charlie in particular, the Pearson kid from Leicester, 18, 19 years old, something like that.
01:02:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:02:06
jarrod_dyke
mean, apart from the card, didn't look like it was necessarily a card. um
01:02:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:02:10
jarrod_dyke
Still good. Good. Keep doing that. Do that more often.
01:02:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I mean, hell, I know we've've we've had him as a young player before in the Prem, but, you know, welcome to Champions Cup, Noah Kalori.
01:02:23
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
01:02:23
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:02:23
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, you can play at this level.
01:02:27
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. So I would not be surprised if we see him.
01:02:30
Grumpy Old Prop
That was a that try he had was um just like, well, by the way, I've got some speed to burn.
01:02:33
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
01:02:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Can you catch me? No. OK, then I'm just going to run.
01:02:39
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. yeah Guys like him, Kane and Moody, just freaks of nature. It's like, get the fuck out of here, man.
01:02:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Oh, that, yeah.
01:02:44
jarrod_dyke
That's not fair. Yeah, Moody's try didn't count, but the way he just decided to get by, guys, on the top of the fact that he's enormous, i'm like, that that's just mean.
01:02:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that was... Yeah.
01:02:56
jarrod_dyke
That's just mean, man. um Yeah, so there's that. um And then, yeah, ref, I want to give Sam Grove white props. I don't i don't think enough people would.
01:03:07
jarrod_dyke
um
01:03:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Fair.
01:03:08
jarrod_dyke
i think there's I think there's potential there. So I hope what I saw of him in that Gloucester cast game is the average to the floor and not his ceiling. And if that's the case, then, hey, we might actually have a good referee on our hands.
01:03:23
jarrod_dyke
you know
01:03:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yay. Been a while.
01:03:24
jarrod_dyke
we do have We do have some.
01:03:26
Grumpy Old Prop
We have some.
01:03:26
jarrod_dyke
they're They're just outnumbered by the shitty ones, unfortunately.
01:03:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:03:31
jarrod_dyke
Like, Piardi had a terrible match at Powell. Like, oh, my God.
01:03:33
Grumpy Old Prop
He did.
01:03:36
Grumpy Old Prop
He was bad.
01:03:36
jarrod_dyke
Like, he admitted he fucked up the call, and he still got the correction wrong.
01:03:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:03:41
jarrod_dyke
Come on. and Jesus, man. What are you doing? and then, oh, the freaking knock-on that wasn't a knock-on.
01:03:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:03:50
jarrod_dyke
Northampton was going to score. Let that shit run and then come back for it if it's wrong.
01:03:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Right.
01:03:56
jarrod_dyke
god Damn, you fucking idiot. ah Oh, one of the most overrated referees in the game for sure. um Anyway. um Try the week.
01:04:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Try the week. um I'm just going to frame the first, like, however many tries from Bordeaux Bulls. Um, because like,
01:04:22
jarrod_dyke
D all the above.
01:04:22
Grumpy Old Prop
like, yeah, Peno, DeClerc, BLBRA, those, those three right there, all in in the first 11 minutes of the game.
01:04:29
jarrod_dyke
okay
01:04:30
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, this is why I, this is worth the cover charge.
01:04:30
jarrod_dyke
yeah
01:04:33
Grumpy Old Prop
This is it right here. Um, so I'm going to go with, with the the three of them, you know, one after the other, after the other.
01:04:35
jarrod_dyke
yeah this is why you buy tickets
01:04:41
jarrod_dyke
that's awesome all right player of the week
01:04:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Overall player the week, that's a tough one. um I mean, I guess I kind of have to go with BLBRA for being on the road and the probably the in in a match with who even won player of the match. I don't think I saw. And if it wasn't Louis, then what the fuck?
01:05:12
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:05:15
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, there's some good ones.
01:05:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Because I thought he was I thought he was like the best player on the field. and And to me, this was so it's like I give it to him because this was the best game I thought overall game and he was the best player on the field or certainly one of them.
01:05:27
jarrod_dyke
I certainly think that's fair. um
01:05:33
jarrod_dyke
Dick of the week.
01:05:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Take the week I'm going with Dave ribbons for that.
01:05:37
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, you said that you were going to do that. All right.
01:05:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Shoved to the look, it's like an open field, open hand punch in a way.
01:05:44
jarrod_dyke
here
01:05:45
Grumpy Old Prop
um Didn't like it, not. um not the Dave Ribbons we all know and love. And he was lucky to only get it yellow for it. I thought that should have been red.
01:05:55
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, some guys are lucky in those situations, unfortunately.
01:06:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:06:01
jarrod_dyke
Wow, I didn't chuck ball around considering the weather conditions.
01:06:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Right?
01:06:05
jarrod_dyke
I'm impressed.
01:06:08
jarrod_dyke
um Okay. Yeah, fair enough on Ribeye getting his dicks.
01:06:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Who was yours?
01:06:15
jarrod_dyke
Um, PRD.
01:06:18
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Fair.
01:06:21
jarrod_dyke
Or flow. You make your break on that one.
01:06:23
Grumpy Old Prop
oh Yeah, they they're on there too.
01:06:26
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, they are. All right. Um, yeah. Shout out to my kid who had a silly good offload that turned into a try on watching one of those uni games.
01:06:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:06:38
jarrod_dyke
Um,
01:06:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup. That was pretty sweet.
01:06:40
jarrod_dyke
Kept it in two hands, turned her shoulders. She knew she was going into contact, knew she had a friend there. ah Going into contact, pops it off and her friend's able to fall over for try. I was like, okay, I know where you, I know, I'll take credit for that. I know where you learned that. I know exactly where you learned that.
01:06:59
jarrod_dyke
Halfway take credit for that. was a good point. All right. Um, Okay, only one Friday game this week. Friday night. Don't pick them, by the way, if you haven't figured that one out. Leicester and Leicester.
01:07:12
Grumpy Old Prop
I went back and forth with this um but ultimately I went with um lester because I think lester just don't don't think they have it in this competition think they could, but like, um it was really down to that.
01:07:25
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, I also went with Leicester.
01:07:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Like I said, Billy Searle, you're starting Billy Searle, you're not winning.
Upcoming Match Predictions
01:07:36
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, i'm sure I'm sure they won't this week, but i also don't think Leinster's going to send the Shags.
01:07:37
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
01:07:42
jarrod_dyke
That's the difference.
01:07:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, right.
01:07:44
jarrod_dyke
So, um all right. Saturday morning, Stormers and La Rochelle in South Africa.
01:07:50
Grumpy Old Prop
I got stormers.
01:07:52
jarrod_dyke
Same. I anticipate Ryan Ake and Sasha will both be in the lineup. Bad news for them. ah Continuing on into South Africa, the Sharks and the Saracens.
01:08:10
Grumpy Old Prop
like I like, I want to make sure I'm not going with my heart on this one. So I was kind of looking through it and it really, i think as you were saying, i want to see who's on the plane. I really wish I knew. Um, But knowing that the sharks are also flying too.
01:08:22
Grumpy Old Prop
So they're both... it's Yeah, it's a home game for sharks, but both are going to have the travel blaze. And I don't know that the sharks...
01:08:28
jarrod_dyke
I think i think big andre I think Andre the Giant and Co. will be suiting after the Sharks this week though which is what worries me so i yeah in in South Africa we've not had good success down there thus far I'm i
01:08:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, likely them. Yeah.
01:08:41
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:08:44
Grumpy Old Prop
No, but they kind of, Saturdays kind of need this one. So I think they're going to send the,
01:08:48
jarrod_dyke
Oh, well, they do. and i I will be jumping up and down if we pull this off, but I'm not picking them.
01:08:54
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah, fair enough. I will.
01:08:58
jarrod_dyke
Okay. All right. um Claremont and Sale?
01:09:04
Grumpy Old Prop
I got Claremont.
01:09:05
jarrod_dyke
Same.
01:09:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't think sale care much about this competition.
01:09:07
jarrod_dyke
yeah They just don't care about this competition as much anymore.
01:09:08
Grumpy Old Prop
They're on the road. Yeah.
01:09:10
jarrod_dyke
Bordeaux and Scarlet. Oh, God.
01:09:14
Grumpy Old Prop
This is a tough one.
01:09:16
jarrod_dyke
ha, ha, ha, ha.
01:09:18
Grumpy Old Prop
I had to think long and hard about this one. um But I do.
01:09:21
jarrod_dyke
You like long and hard. Yeah,
01:09:26
Grumpy Old Prop
um And I ended up selecting Bordeaux.
01:09:30
jarrod_dyke
fair. All right. um Monster Gloucester.
01:09:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Monster.
01:09:38
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, tough.
01:09:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:09:39
jarrod_dyke
Tough place to go.
01:09:40
Grumpy Old Prop
It is.
01:09:41
jarrod_dyke
Anybody, I think, any team in this competition will tell you that.
01:09:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and Gloucester aren't that good. so
01:09:48
jarrod_dyke
No. No. Glasgow and Toulouse. Man, this will be interesting.
01:09:55
Grumpy Old Prop
In Scotland, I'm still going with Toulouse.
01:09:57
jarrod_dyke
i My instinct says yes. But I'll be... out Listen, I will happily cheer for Glasgow on this one too.
01:10:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Certainly. Absolutely.
01:10:06
jarrod_dyke
Same time.
01:10:06
Grumpy Old Prop
i I don't really want Toulouse to win this one, but I think they will.
01:10:10
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Quinn's bound.
01:10:14
Grumpy Old Prop
I got Quinn's.
01:10:15
jarrod_dyke
Sunday.
01:10:16
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm guessing they'll they'll throw Marcus back in there, i'm I'm thinking.
01:10:16
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
01:10:20
Grumpy Old Prop
But even if they don't,
01:10:24
jarrod_dyke
I Bayona got take this competition seriously anymore.
01:10:24
Grumpy Old Prop
don't think it matters.
01:10:26
jarrod_dyke
anyway
01:10:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:10:27
jarrod_dyke
Cast and Edinburgh.
01:10:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I have cast. not exactly pleased with it, but um yeah, going with cast, mostly because they're at most cause they're home.
01:10:35
jarrod_dyke
Okay.
01:10:42
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. I'm going to go the guys from Scotland.
01:10:47
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't blame you. I'm kind of looking at my, so I'm looking at my notes right now and I'm wondering what the fuck was I thinking with that one?
01:10:48
jarrod_dyke
We got some different ones week. Good.
01:10:53
jarrod_dyke
You were inspired.
01:10:54
Grumpy Old Prop
um No, I'm, you know what I was, I'm going to go with that and I'm switching it to Edinburgh.
01:11:00
jarrod_dyke
but Okay.
01:11:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Looking at it now, I don't like it.
01:11:04
jarrod_dyke
Don't like it.
01:11:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't like it going against my notes.
01:11:07
jarrod_dyke
Don't like it at all.
01:11:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:11:08
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Toulon and Bath. This will be interesting.
01:11:14
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going with too long at home.
01:11:16
jarrod_dyke
Okay.
01:11:17
Grumpy Old Prop
I just, I, this one I'm not changing.
01:11:21
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, this, this, it is.
01:11:21
Grumpy Old Prop
It's going to be hard to go against Baph, but.
01:11:23
jarrod_dyke
And ah and I think this is going to make or break what we see out of Bath in this competition too.
01:11:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:11:28
jarrod_dyke
So I will, I'm going to back Finn Russell, but I won't be surprised with two low wins.
01:11:34
jarrod_dyke
um Saints and Bulls.
01:11:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Saints at home.
01:11:39
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
01:11:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Bulls. I don't think they're going to take this one. i don't think they're going to send full noise.
01:11:45
jarrod_dyke
No, they're sending the binge used to this one. And then Bristol and Powell.
01:11:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Speaking of binge use.
01:11:52
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. think we'll see some more Benjuice here too.
01:11:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Bristol. I think Bristol's going to run him off the field.
01:11:55
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Agreed.
01:11:59
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. And I think, the like we said, they got their Pee-wee one out of the way already. So or privacy we'll probably see them turn it on a little bit little bit better this week.
01:12:04
Grumpy Old Prop
h
01:12:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:12:13
jarrod_dyke
wonderly I wonder if we consider to see continue to see Worsley at 10 or Jordan gets a run there. I guess it depends on what their back three availability is.
01:12:19
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm.
01:12:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
Fantasy Corner & Sign Off
01:12:24
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't think it matters for this one.
01:12:26
jarrod_dyke
Not for this one in general, no. Okay. okay That's that, fam. So we got Fantasy Corner stuff. We're going to pop over there and do that real quick.
01:12:39
jarrod_dyke
If you're joining us over there, we'll see you there. If not, thanks a lot for listening to us, and we appreciate you guys all supporting us and giving us the nice words. And we'll catch you guys next week. Enjoy round two this week. Have a good one, everyone.
01:12:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:12:52
jarrod_dyke
Cheers.