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Season 8- Episode 13- We Did It! (6 Nations Super Saturday Preview & Super Rugby Wrap)
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It's the latest and greatest from those American rugby knuckleheads! After a failed attempt a few weeks ago, we finally got another recording under our belt! On this episode of TFRY we are looking at Super Saturday in Six Nations and how each team got where they are. Who is where we expected them and who is in an unexpected place? Then we have a glance at the first handful of round for Super Rugby and to no one's shock, we're both surprised by the Brumbies placement currently. Kick back and tune in with something cold drink fam, enjoy!
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Podcast Technical Challenges
00:00:28
jarrod_dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:34
jarrod_dyke
We are back. um We tried to do this. We tried to do this two weeks ago, so we'll see how it goes. Maybe we don't do this again, but we'll find out. But yeah, we tried to do this two weeks ago and there was some serious technical failures. Like, literally, just everything crashed.
00:00:50
jarrod_dyke
Everything crashed. So, we're going to try this again. We're going to this again. Yep, we can do that.
Listener Engagement and Support
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Download, rate, review. All that good stuff.
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jarrod_dyke
right.
Inclusivity in Sports and Society
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jarrod_dyke
There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life. hu I mean, it was low-hanging fruit, but it's it's right in our wheelhouse, too. It's... USA Rugby just absolutely pooped all over this thing. Like, oh my God. You could not do it worse.
00:02:37
jarrod_dyke
Focusing on, yeah.
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jarrod_dyke
No.
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jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:03:35
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, it was political speak for we're pissed off too, don't worry. Mm-hmm.
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jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Extremely necessary.
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jarrod_dyke
Same. Yeah.
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jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
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jarrod_dyke
Definitely
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jarrod_dyke
not. No.
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jarrod_dyke
In this country, hell no.
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jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
Protecting Women and Critiquing Policies
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jarrod_dyke
I mean, suffice to say that if you're worried about protecting girls, women, and you, one, support per people like the guy that's sitting in the White House right now, or two, you don't support any sort of gun control laws, you're not worried about either of those things, let's be honest. You're more worried about how you feel and how they and because you're scared of something you don't understand, and that's where it really comes from.
00:05:43
jarrod_dyke
So, no thank you.
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jarrod_dyke
Pass, pass, pass.
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jarrod_dyke
Dickheads.
Patreon and New Content Highlights
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jarrod_dyke
and Anyway. um
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jarrod_dyke
Make sure that you grab our Patreon, if you would if you would so please. Six Nations Sheet will be out probably by the time you listen to this. It's nearly done for the last round. I was pounding away, phrasing boom. um just didn't quite Just didn't quite get there, but it'll it'll be done um by the time you're probably listening to this. So go ahead and pick it up.
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jarrod_dyke
whoo-ho
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jarrod_dyke
Yeah, we have the sufficient data at this point.
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And we do we do want to welcome our new patron, Scott. So, thank you Scott, thank you very much for supporting us. we we appreciate We appreciate you.
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jarrod_dyke
so there So, there's that. Okay.
Ireland vs Scotland Match Preview
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jarrod_dyke
Super Saturday preview.
00:06:49
jarrod_dyke
Let's just go match by match. We're not going to do our pick-em yet, but we're going to match by match and just kind look at it. Okay. First game of the day is going to be Ireland-Scotland. I will be on my way home from work. Thank God it starts a little later than normal.
00:07:04
jarrod_dyke
Ooh, um
00:07:08
jarrod_dyke
yeah. If you had told me that Scotland were going to be playing to win this competition in the last weekend, along with France, I'm not sure I would believed you. i I think I would have taken the...
00:07:21
jarrod_dyke
I think I would bet that that would happen like very cheaply on the off chance it did because the odds weren't good. i mean, the odds were, you know, very good payout, but like the probabilities were bleh.
00:07:35
jarrod_dyke
Especially after they lost to Italy.
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jarrod_dyke
Like, wow.
00:07:53
jarrod_dyke
which they did quite handedly.
Scotland's Challenges and Injury Concerns
00:07:59
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. i see i see two issues for Scotland going forward, and it has to do with guys that have caught my eye and also...
00:08:10
jarrod_dyke
problem areas where they're really going be in trouble. Um, staying has had a great tournament for them so far, you know, barring that Italy game, like this game, I got player of the map in the freaking medical room. Like,
00:08:35
jarrod_dyke
Hmm.
00:08:48
jarrod_dyke
yep splash splash splash
00:09:00
jarrod_dyke
it's hard yeah
00:09:20
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, no, that's that's tough work right there. That really is. um Right.
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jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:09:49
jarrod_dyke
Graham.
00:10:05
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:10:10
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Yeah, Sadie's gonna probably miss this round, but...
00:10:16
jarrod_dyke
but Didn't look great after that two-pound tackle, but yeah, he's he's played well, and then they are going to be hurting in that lock department, and I understand they're just they're probably just going to find their plotters. Gilchrist will get in there, and probably Williamson, who aren't going to do anything special, but hopefully they don't lose the game for them either. I think that's probably more or less going to be their role.
00:10:37
jarrod_dyke
when they get in there. But I i thought stock Scott Cummins had a really good tournament. I thought Gregor Brown was really putting his hand up as well. So I feel for them and yeah the way they've had to bow out of this tournament in the fashion they
Ireland's Performance Analysis
00:10:51
jarrod_dyke
did. they did So i I feel for them. um On the other side, as much as we want to talk about Scotland and how well they've played the last three, four weeks, ah
00:11:04
jarrod_dyke
Ireland haven't played well the last... the last few weeks, but the last two, yeah, better, better. I mean, last round, okay, not great, but you know, they, they did some good things.
00:11:23
jarrod_dyke
Wales. Yeah. Yeah. I'll say Wales in card in Cardiff is clearly sound, seems like it's more of a challenge than Wales on the road.
00:11:34
jarrod_dyke
um Although they were at the Viva, weren't they? Shit. Damn it. So they really should have just steamrolled them. Yeah, you're right. Sorry.
00:11:48
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, and Scotland we were a little hungover from the England game, so it it made sense. And then they they still turned it on in the second half and out like ran away. like Second half, if you just look at that, that is how I expected the game to go for the most part.
00:12:04
jarrod_dyke
not Not anything near what happened in the first half of that game.
00:12:09
jarrod_dyke
but um yeah i mean ireland last week not amazing but did did enough against italy again not amazing but did enough and then did they play particularly well against england no did they play poorly hell no they did not they they played pretty well they probably ouch you know they probably overshot themselves a little bit to say the least um So i don't I don't think that's the game we can expect them to bring this weekend. Right.
00:12:50
jarrod_dyke
Right.
00:13:02
jarrod_dyke
right
00:13:05
jarrod_dyke
Just through the day. Yeah, I'm... Dogbo would have been... knight hope I hope he gets a run. um Is it Jukwu? I don't know if he's healthy or not.
00:13:16
jarrod_dyke
But a couple of guys that I would love to see get some more time in there. Because, again, why the fuck do you need James Ryan? Like, what the fuck's he doing?
00:13:27
jarrod_dyke
It's terrifying to think that, like, guys that are in the same category... one ah One of which they've realized what his role actually is in the other two people think they're more like, I would liken Beard, Gilchrist, and Ryan all into the same boat.
00:13:43
jarrod_dyke
And Scotland figured out what Gilchrist is. They're like, you're a job. You come on and you finish the job but after the other two guys do all the work. Why James Ryan's getting starting minutes, I haven't got a clue, honestly.
00:14:18
jarrod_dyke
Wasn't me.
00:14:22
jarrod_dyke
but yeah
00:14:36
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, don't turn into that. don't Don't turn into that. It doesn't do the game any good. doesn't do your team any good, really.
00:14:56
jarrod_dyke
who Exactly.
00:15:00
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, he definitely was one of the guys that started doing things that props weren't supposed to do and then made it common for or props to do those types of things.
00:15:14
jarrod_dyke
Oh.
00:15:23
jarrod_dyke
It's
00:15:27
jarrod_dyke
not another drink, I promise you.
00:15:37
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:15:50
Grumpy Old Prop
All right. Yeah, my Chrome just shit.
00:15:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I don't know why. Mine was fine last week. I think I just had too much open.
00:16:04
Grumpy Old Prop
And my battery is actually charging now. So maybe it's, yeah, maybe it was just, yeah.
00:16:07
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:16:09
Grumpy Old Prop
All right.
00:16:12
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:16:15
Grumpy Old Prop
and these two teams meeting up and it could just be, you know, any, it's really anyone's game.
00:16:17
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Or they need to, so yeah, nah.
00:16:20
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't care that it's at Aviva.
00:16:21
jarrod_dyke
Or they somehow need to get the point differential to their, yeah.
00:16:23
Grumpy Old Prop
They're two jammy squads that, you know, Scotland, Scotland could have a day or it could just, you know, Ireland or could just cunt them up and, and keep it in tight.
00:16:26
jarrod_dyke
Well, so Ireland need England to win. Scotland can get a bonus point win and and France cannot, and then they'll win it.
00:16:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And, um, who the fuck knows?
00:16:36
jarrod_dyke
So that's the upside for Scotland. They have that luxury.
00:16:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm, I'm excited for this one because the, both of them, I mean, both of them have a shot.
00:16:38
jarrod_dyke
Ireland do not.
00:16:41
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, yeah, the, both of them need England to win.
00:16:47
Grumpy Old Prop
So,
00:16:51
Grumpy Old Prop
or a tie or something or yeah.
00:16:53
jarrod_dyke
but Just to say fuck you to France? Maybe. Maybe.
00:17:02
Grumpy Old Prop
That's true, that's true.
00:17:06
Grumpy Old Prop
so so
00:17:07
jarrod_dyke
let's go to the second game on Super Saturday, Wales-Italy.
00:17:08
Grumpy Old Prop
So here's the question then, here's the question.
Strategic Decisions in Rugby
00:17:11
Grumpy Old Prop
If you're Ireland,
00:17:12
jarrod_dyke
You know, the best thing I could say about Wales is they've tried.
00:17:14
Grumpy Old Prop
No, you make them win it they're there They'd be like that. i like if If you're losing, if you know you're losing, do you do you concede the bonus point? And yeah just be like, fuck you to France.
00:17:27
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know. I don't think they do, but it's just a fun thought.
00:17:38
jarrod_dyke
No. No.
00:17:44
jarrod_dyke
I'd argue the game against Ireland was.
00:17:46
Grumpy Old Prop
I could see them winning this game. Like, that's... Like, I mean... Because, well, first off, it's it's the the combination of...
00:17:52
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Italy are getting better. Obviously, we saw that. Although, again, as has been pointed out many times, Italy beat England, but that was not Italy's best performance of the Six Nations.
00:18:09
Grumpy Old Prop
And... Like, Wales... Wales are just, yeah, I would do.
00:18:15
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Totally possible.
00:18:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Or the game against Scotland was pretty good too.
00:18:20
jarrod_dyke
And then we'll see.
00:18:20
Grumpy Old Prop
I really liked the way they played against Scotland.
00:18:21
jarrod_dyke
I mean, Reese carries obviously coming into coming back into the form that he is you know he's got three tries and three games plus the ah world.
00:18:22
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:18:26
Grumpy Old Prop
And like they could, the same thing is with Ireland. They could just decide, you know, and again, the Wales being jammy, they could just decide we're going to, you know, make sure Italy can't do what they want to do.
00:18:31
jarrod_dyke
Do they scored last week?
00:18:40
jarrod_dyke
hmm.
00:18:41
Grumpy Old Prop
And then we'll see from there.
00:18:53
jarrod_dyke
but
00:18:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:18:59
jarrod_dyke
It'll be from the other county and next next time he tells the story.
00:19:01
Grumpy Old Prop
ah I saw, I saw a tick tock today from the whale from whales rugby. I think it was whales. You that are six nations where it was, uh, they're, they're interviewing Reese Carrey or whatever.
00:19:11
Grumpy Old Prop
He's taking pictures and they're like, okay give us, give us your try celebration. And he's like, I don't score tries. You gotta, gotta score to celebrate.
00:19:17
jarrod_dyke
he did Yeah, I mean, he it wasn't short.
00:19:17
Grumpy Old Prop
and then it was backed up by all of his tries from six nations, including the, obviously the, that, that I think it was 70 meters if I'm not mistaken.
00:19:19
jarrod_dyke
It wasn't short, certainly not by those standards.
00:19:27
Grumpy Old Prop
of Yeah.
00:19:27
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, he did. But so there's that, um,
00:19:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. If you talk, you know, it's the the the prop conversion, prop meter conversions.
00:19:33
jarrod_dyke
they're getting, they're kind of getting the hint that beard shouldn't be involved in this team at all.
00:19:36
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, even that I was like, I was trying to be generous and I was it was about a 25 meter try.
00:19:37
jarrod_dyke
Um, uh, man and, and, um, and both on both played really well last week.
00:19:40
Grumpy Old Prop
And then you look at it and it was almost 40 meters.
00:19:43
jarrod_dyke
And, and I've, I kind of liked what was going on with man, uh, in the fall and it's, he's actually carried it over quite well.
00:19:45
Grumpy Old Prop
he He was, he was close to the 10 meter line. Right.
Wales' Potential and Key Players
00:19:51
jarrod_dyke
Um, so I, I, I like what's going on with that.
00:19:51
Grumpy Old Prop
So no, yeah i don't think he even needs to embellish, just say he was he was close to halfway and
00:19:55
jarrod_dyke
Uh, Yeah, and then they they they got to live with the mistakes for Dan Edwards.
00:19:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:20:01
jarrod_dyke
That's just how it is. Not overly in love with their midfield, but I do like a lot of what's going on in that back three.
00:20:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:20:07
jarrod_dyke
I really do. There's a hit load of talent, and all you have to do is find ways to get them the ball in hand, and good things will happen.
00:20:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. who
00:20:24
jarrod_dyke
Oh, yeah. I was more thinking about Reece Dammit and me and than Blair Murray and those likes and even Hamer Webb.
00:20:35
jarrod_dyke
Oh, Hathaway.
00:20:36
Grumpy Old Prop
hey well
00:20:40
jarrod_dyke
think he's hurt. I think he's hurt.
00:20:44
Grumpy Old Prop
ah you
00:20:45
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, he's had very little game time there too, yeah.
00:20:46
Grumpy Old Prop
i i keep that di
00:20:50
Grumpy Old Prop
I could do without Josh Adams.
00:20:52
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:20:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. And who who's the yeah who's the who's the fellow from Gloucester that I'm blanking on? um I know they have Hathaway. I don't know if he's hurt or if they're he's just out of favor at the moment.
00:21:07
jarrod_dyke
Right.
00:21:10
Grumpy Old Prop
um ah Yeah, he hasn't even been playing for Gloucester. um Right. So you had him and you had Llewellyn coming back at some point too, or coming in at some point.
00:21:18
jarrod_dyke
What
00:21:21
Grumpy Old Prop
um There's a good future there. there's there's There's a lot to, well, a decent amount to like about that whale side.
00:21:27
jarrod_dyke
is
00:21:28
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, they like but again, going back to the Stain... the stain
00:21:34
jarrod_dyke
Totally.
00:21:35
Grumpy Old Prop
discussion like get these guys time just let them let them play a little bit take the lumps now yeah you're kind of you're you're absolutely seeding this world cup but that was already in the cards anyway um figure out what you want to be for the next world cup start it now get your guys you know get these young guys playing you know get atoms out of there when you whenever you can as soon as you can um and and yeah take the lumps but there's something there's something to build towards
00:21:36
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, I agree. Agree, agree.
00:21:49
jarrod_dyke
Ziani. I'm
00:21:55
jarrod_dyke
playing them both. Yep.
00:22:03
jarrod_dyke
Steb Negri was the guy that came to mind for me on that.
00:22:06
Grumpy Old Prop
And same thing, look at look and at that end, look at Italy.
00:22:08
jarrod_dyke
Respect, but no.
00:22:09
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, their opponents, like the Canone brothers. You know, we we talked about Lamaro and
00:22:13
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, I wish he had played a little bit there too. Agree.
00:22:16
Grumpy Old Prop
um Giuliani. and And I was like, yeah, play them, play them, play them. and And yes, they're doing that. And it's working.
00:22:23
jarrod_dyke
Oh, God.
00:22:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Like you don't, you know, you don't need the the um the rough and tumble types that you once tried to.
00:22:31
jarrod_dyke
think he fell out a favor or he's hurt. and I can't remember which one, honestly.
00:22:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:22:34
jarrod_dyke
I wish I had the ah truth later point.
00:22:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. You don't need the Negri type. And I fucking... Right. At lock. Yes. But...
00:22:43
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, fell.
00:22:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. But not at not at six. Go with the mobile pack. their their Their centers are ridiculous.
00:22:48
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:22:51
Grumpy Old Prop
And their back three can can get it done too. Although Pani What happened to Padovani? Did he... Did he you die? Okay. Okay.
00:23:04
Grumpy Old Prop
i I don't mean to joke about death.
00:23:06
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:23:06
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not the right time, but at the same time, like weird, he just disappeared.
00:23:07
jarrod_dyke
And don't forget, there's a guy that didn't get to play at all this this tournament, Todaro.
00:23:11
Grumpy Old Prop
He was a mate like him and. um
00:23:13
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Won't see him the rest of the year, likely.
00:23:14
Grumpy Old Prop
And Capozo came on at the same time and both looked amazing and the Cope Pozo is kind of, you know, he's been there, he's plateaued a bit, but he's still there.
00:23:15
jarrod_dyke
so So there is that as well.
00:23:23
Grumpy Old Prop
um But actually, even that back three of Capozo at 15 and.
00:23:27
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, Fisketti brings it.
00:23:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Ioani
00:23:28
jarrod_dyke
I like him a lot. I really do.
00:23:31
Grumpy Old Prop
and Lina on the wing, that's that's I'll take that.
00:23:32
jarrod_dyke
So there's there's goods, you know, there're and they've yeah like you alluded to, they've they've phased certain guys out and they're ah they're giving certain other guys time and it's it's not up it's not rocket science.
00:23:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, him too. Fuck, when he's healthy again. Yeah. They got, yeah, they got, there's a lot looking up there.
00:23:49
jarrod_dyke
could be And it could be three.
00:23:49
Grumpy Old Prop
And that, you know, that's that that that front row is looking good too.
00:23:51
jarrod_dyke
So we'll see. They certainly have a shot at didn doing the thing here, unfortunately.
00:23:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. yeah
00:23:56
jarrod_dyke
So here's the thing. The wild thing is, if Wales were so to somehow flip this ah point differential over England and England were to get nothing out of their game in Paris, England would finish with a wooden spoon.
00:24:14
Grumpy Old Prop
and And the thing is, they've still won two games. It
00:24:16
jarrod_dyke
That is just, wow. wawa Wow, wow, wow.
00:24:19
Grumpy Old Prop
could be three. Mm-hmm.
00:24:21
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. I mean, let's kick on to Paris. Why not? France... so france They have won every once in a while, and last week was it.
00:24:32
jarrod_dyke
mike It was kind of meh against Italy, but because they're so talented and they're and they're just so good, and their and their ability level is far and away much better than Italy, they steamrolled them anyway.
00:24:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:24:47
Grumpy Old Prop
I know a well well-earned spoonage it would be.
00:24:55
jarrod_dyke
Scotland-France game, yep.
00:25:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, so this is, to me, this interesting thing with, with, with this game that I'm, I've got on ah and the the Scotland France game.
00:25:21
jarrod_dyke
In the USA, yeah.
00:25:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, that like Scotland,
Scotland's Playing Style
00:25:31
Grumpy Old Prop
they didn't play. They certainly didn't play a conservative style. Like they play to keep ball, like the style that they've been really working towards. I saw a stat afterwards that was saying that, um, Glasgow and Edinburgh are the, like the two teams that, um,
00:25:45
Grumpy Old Prop
do their most to keep ball in hand, keep all alive, keep, keep playing. um and And I think they're, they're leading the URC and offloads and shit. And like, that's bleeding over into their national team, which is, that's what you want. That's, you know, this is what rugby is now.
00:26:01
Grumpy Old Prop
This is, it's a fast paced.
00:26:01
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:26:03
Grumpy Old Prop
We want to, to, to attack space ball in hand. None of this
00:26:09
jarrod_dyke
and they have the And they have the bodies and the ability to ah contend with teams like that.
00:26:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Aimless kicking. When they kick, it's for a purpose. It's because we have exhausted the the amount of pressure that we can put on this team with ball in hand.
00:26:16
jarrod_dyke
um
00:26:17
Grumpy Old Prop
So now we're going to put it down their throats like you know and and change field position.
00:26:17
jarrod_dyke
Stane played, was doing well in the air. Kinghorn, we know he's a he's quite a master up there.
00:26:21
Grumpy Old Prop
And we're not really looking to to gain possession down the field.
00:26:22
jarrod_dyke
ah Graham, for his size, always seems to hang out up there and and and at least compete, if not win.
00:26:25
Grumpy Old Prop
We're looking to just change field position and we'll play down there.
00:26:29
jarrod_dyke
So he's they're they're prepared for games teams like that.
00:26:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Or we're chipping ahead to see if we can chase, you know, like a little little literal chip and chase, not a high ball and chase, a chip and chase, proper chip and chase.
00:26:32
jarrod_dyke
Do they always succeed in those? No. but they are prepared to compete in those areas. And then when they when the success does come and yeah the other teams screwed up somehow as well, they they will find ways to say, where okay, cool, you did your thing, our turn.
00:26:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:26:50
jarrod_dyke
We're going to take the ball in hand and jam it at you, and then we'll spin it wide and let our magician at 10 do his thing.
00:26:51
Grumpy Old Prop
No. Mm-hmm.
00:26:56
jarrod_dyke
And if you can stop us, great.
00:26:57
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:26:58
jarrod_dyke
If you can't, well, guess what? We're going to make life hard on you. And and they've done they've done that. every game this doesn't six nations bar the Italy game and but that was as you alluded to that was only the weather so that was really it which is it
00:27:15
jarrod_dyke
oh the one that went behind them all yep yep work of art
00:27:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:27:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:27:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
00:27:38
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:27:39
Grumpy Old Prop
That Stein line that he ran. i This is my first time seeing this early in the game. Oh. off Off the line out.
00:27:45
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:27:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, what a line. Like that, that's, and that's like, you can have a defense set, you can, you can do what you can, you know, but if, if they run a move like that, they make it look like it's going to be a mall and they, they cut back, oh, inside the second man, not even, you know, not even just off inside the first man, but inside the second man too.
00:27:58
jarrod_dyke
Oh, do not try and overpower that team. No way. That's the worst thing you can do.
00:28:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Excellent angle.
00:28:09
jarrod_dyke
They're going to to overpower them. that Their lineup that just put out tells me that.
00:28:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Nobody could see it until it's too late, until he's already behind you.
00:28:13
jarrod_dyke
Yep. Mm-hmm.
00:28:14
Grumpy Old Prop
And DuPont's waving an air. Like, yeah, that's the thing. Like, again, know, this is like allegedly about France, but like, that's how you beat France. That's how you do it. You don't try to overpower them. You don't try to, you know, play a different game.
00:28:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, just play and don't highball them. Like that's, that's why, you know, England's going to get fucking shit housed this week. they're going they're going to overpower them and they're going to try to kick high balls again.
French Team's Strengths
00:28:45
Grumpy Old Prop
And, and France are just better at it.
00:28:47
jarrod_dyke
No. Don't do that.
00:28:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And like, they're like, that's the thing.
00:28:48
jarrod_dyke
Don't do that. probably All the time.
00:28:50
Grumpy Old Prop
France live for open, broken play in attack and defense. And you're going to, you're putting them, it's that same thing, you know, we used to talk about with South Africa and we only haven't in a while because we they haven't really been playing.
00:28:58
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:29:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:29:07
Grumpy Old Prop
is that like, you know, they, they goad people into playing a certain way and it's like, well, don't do that. And then you can beat them. And it's like, that's why that, that's why England can beat New Zealand because New Zealand's like, what the fuck is this man?
00:29:18
jarrod_dyke
No.
00:29:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Just play rugby. They get frustrated and they get angry and then they, they lose their heads. France are like, okay, you want to play that game? We will play that game and we will win. Like,
00:29:34
Grumpy Old Prop
and Like you can't, you it's just not gonna work. And you play that way against South Africa and they're like, yeah, fuck you. We'll just, we'll we'll still play our game. Like, that's fine. We can, we're comfortable.
00:29:43
jarrod_dyke
They commit more to that than the Open Rugby, I can tell you that much.
00:29:44
Grumpy Old Prop
That doesn't change what we want to do. the Same thing with France, just two different ways of wanting to do. And like, that's the thing, like England are like that. that's what got England so frustrated this last week was that they were trying to do two different things.
00:29:59
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:30:02
Grumpy Old Prop
and need They didn't really commit to playing open rugby and they didn't commit to the highball, aimless highball, which is there the only really thing they can do.
00:30:02
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. It's, you know, it's,
00:30:10
jarrod_dyke
which quite frankly shouldn't be enough to say Borthwick's job.
00:30:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. But they got caught between, they got caught a little bit between two minds and like, so they put out this very similar lineup.
00:30:16
jarrod_dyke
It shouldn't be. And don't know if some dumb fuck's been calling for his job for the last couple of years, but
00:30:22
Grumpy Old Prop
So what's going happen? Is it going to be similar to that? And France are just going to fucking tonk them.
00:30:26
jarrod_dyke
this is This is one window earlier than when they sacked Eddie.
00:30:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Not to, you know spoiler alert for the pick them, but
00:30:32
jarrod_dyke
This is one window earlier than when they sacked Eddie. This is actually two, if you count the summer.
00:30:34
Grumpy Old Prop
England might do okay. They might keep it tight. But...
00:30:38
jarrod_dyke
So it would give the next guy more time.
00:30:47
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean...
00:30:50
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:30:50
Grumpy Old Prop
At this point, do you do you just ride it out through the World Cup? Because what are you to You're a year out now. what what What's... That's fair.
00:31:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's fair.
00:31:07
jarrod_dyke
They value shithousery, and that's why those guys aren't in the team.
00:31:07
Grumpy Old Prop
And they do it. They have the players. But here's the thing. It's too late now because England's two best fla ah flankers are going to France.
00:31:12
jarrod_dyke
Two of them, at least.
00:31:17
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:31:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Like the players that they should be selecting, it should be Willis, Willis, Earl. And now you've lost that. Like if if they could have Willis, Willis, Earl with Pollock off the bench. Fuck. That's a squad if they're playing real rugby.
00:31:32
Grumpy Old Prop
um But
00:31:35
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, he's been, well, they they haven't given him the space.
00:31:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Like.
00:31:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And that's the. Yeah. To yeah. And Earl, but they've turned Earl into a bit of a shit house. He used to be. He's always been that, you know, a little goater and he's been a little bit of a you know, a little celebrate knock ons and shit.
00:31:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Whatever. That's fun. but like Like that part I actually like. But. I can't remember the last time Earl really went for a run And that used to be his bread and butter.
00:32:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:32:07
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, but it's not like Italy didn't have yellows too, so, you know.
00:32:07
Grumpy Old Prop
That used to be his thing. um And at Toji, finally, we saw we saw flashes of it this past week. ah You know, he's he's winning turnovers.
00:32:14
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:32:15
Grumpy Old Prop
He's trying, yeah, the yellow card. he he He was trying something. And he was something that's worked for him is it holds his entire career. And he got it wrong. And yeah, you get a yellow for that.
00:32:26
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, yeah the cost of doing business kind of thing. I don't i don't blame him for that so much.
00:32:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, but like, they don't have anybody who, yeah, exactly. Like they had opportunities and they just pissed them away. And I will say that like when I, that there was no clear evidence of like got caught between two minds of, um,
00:32:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Finn Smith, they're on the five meter line, get a penalty and Finn Smith wants to go for the corner and just say, fuck them, let's get a try. And Mauro just screams at him. No, we're taking the fucking points. Like you get the T stop, stop contradicting me.
00:33:02
jarrod_dyke
It is.
00:33:04
Grumpy Old Prop
This is what we're doing. And it's like Mauro is, is, is under pressure from both sides at this point because Finn Smith knows, Hey, this is how we, this is how we play winning rugby at Northampton.
00:33:09
jarrod_dyke
No.
00:33:12
jarrod_dyke
Yep. Yeah, it's been the same story for England, really, but for Borthwick especially.
00:33:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, don't you know this shit? And
00:33:19
jarrod_dyke
And it's not...
00:33:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Maro's like, no, this is how we play as England rugby. We kick the three.
00:33:21
jarrod_dyke
No.
00:33:24
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, but you have two team, you know, two conflicting styles there. And that's, that's on Bortho. That's a hundred percent on Bortho. You're putting your captain, putting your captain against your, your young 10.
00:33:31
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:33:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause that's what that's, that's Bortho doing that. That's not Maro doing anything other than trying to do what Bortho wants.
00:33:45
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's, yeah, right.
00:33:45
jarrod_dyke
They were not good last year.
00:33:46
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's not, yeah, that's nothing new for England.
00:33:46
jarrod_dyke
And the reason there's a reason Razor Robertson's not in the role anymore.
00:33:49
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not, you know, it's not like this is something that just happened on their board. Like they just love the three. They're fucking in love with taking three points rather than, you know, scoring tries and winning games. um And I've seen a lot of the, well, with the 12, the 12 win, 12 game win streak.
00:33:59
jarrod_dyke
This is a lot. And in that game, i will say in a way, England got a little lucky.
00:34:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, was that nothing?
00:34:06
jarrod_dyke
Not completely, and I'm not saying this is a toll yet, but Freddie Stewart going out and Marcus Smith coming in made a difference.
00:34:06
Grumpy Old Prop
And I'm like, you know, I'm looking at who they played. And yeah, you beat New Zealand, but are New Zealand that good anymore? i don't know.
00:34:15
jarrod_dyke
Like, Marcus was a problem for New Zealand.
00:34:15
Grumpy Old Prop
And.
00:34:18
jarrod_dyke
And Freddie just doesn't have
00:34:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
England's Strategy Critique
00:34:20
jarrod_dyke
that same attack.
00:34:20
Grumpy Old Prop
And so it's like at that 12 game win streak is like Joe Biden's presidency.
00:34:20
jarrod_dyke
And i don't think the result's the same. Do they win?
00:34:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yeah, we all acknowledge it happened, but it didn't really mean anything.
00:34:24
jarrod_dyke
Maybe, maybe not. I think it's more of a 50-50 than it turned into. So, there's that. um Yeah, and they... and I mean, they went to... the
00:34:37
jarrod_dyke
yeah
00:34:40
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:34:40
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:34:41
jarrod_dyke
um And did they play the summer of Argentina down there? I think.
00:34:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. Yep.
00:34:48
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, it's definitely a change team. to
00:34:54
jarrod_dyke
so ten the The talent level of ah of an England change team and the talent level Argentinian change team is very different.
00:35:01
Grumpy Old Prop
but Also, Elliot Daly, they're going to they're going to eat him alive. Friends are going to just eat him alive. Like he's a snail.
00:35:07
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, once you start digging into player 29, player 30, player 31, it's tough for them.
00:35:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, Argentina. And it was kind of ah like a half like it was a change team. Kind of. I mean, not that it wasn't a change team for for England, but like.
00:35:19
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:35:20
Grumpy Old Prop
That's a good squad.
00:35:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, because Argentina have a very good 23, but it's like once you get out of that, it gets a little dicey.
00:35:31
jarrod_dyke
No.
00:35:34
jarrod_dyke
Nope.
00:35:36
Grumpy Old Prop
And.
00:35:37
jarrod_dyke
No. No.
00:35:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And really like, right. And you actually even look at those teams that England put down there. And a lot of them are the guys are guys that are playing now. It's not like they were they had that many guys away.
00:35:47
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:35:49
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:49
Grumpy Old Prop
mean, Tom Curry was away.
00:35:50
jarrod_dyke
Agreed.
00:35:50
Grumpy Old Prop
that You know, Ben Earl. Okay, Ben Earl. Mario Toji away. Yes, I think those guys have an impact.
00:35:54
jarrod_dyke
All right. ah Enough of that.
00:35:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Jamie George. Luke Cowendickey making it. No, that didn't fucking matter.
00:35:59
jarrod_dyke
so let's So we haven't had a chance to talk with at all about the Supers...
00:36:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Tom Curry. No, that didn't fucking matter. Elliot Daly. No, that didn't fucking matter.
00:36:04
jarrod_dyke
The Super Rugby's. So where let's dive into this thing.
00:36:07
Grumpy Old Prop
So, yeah, like they they were still putting on a pretty good team, you know, aside from not really having a 10.
00:36:09
jarrod_dyke
um
00:36:12
jarrod_dyke
I mean, wasn't great this weekend. um
00:36:18
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:36:19
jarrod_dyke
Wasn't quite the the result they wanted for this weekend, the Brumbies, but wow, like they've had a couple of nice results for themselves the last two weeks prior.
00:36:19
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah.
00:36:30
jarrod_dyke
Gotta be said, like, yeah, beat the Blues at home the death and they beat the Crusaders in New Zealand.
00:36:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Not at all.
00:36:36
jarrod_dyke
Like, you better stand up. And they don't need they're not even starting Tain Ed Bed. Like, maybe when we wake up tomorrow, it's a different story. But like, wow.
00:36:50
jarrod_dyke
Wow. that's ah That says a lot right there.
00:36:57
Grumpy Old Prop
he
00:37:07
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:37:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. That's.
00:37:15
jarrod_dyke
yeah
00:37:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:37:22
Grumpy Old Prop
it does and the brumbies are they like they're they they may be coming back to form and that's that's excellent for uh super rugby and then the rugby world at large
00:37:35
Grumpy Old Prop
um it's good to see and it's and especially it's good to see australian rugby not taking a complete shit um
00:37:38
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Charlie Cale is a good player.
00:37:43
Grumpy Old Prop
you know They've got three teams they've got three three teams with one loss each.
00:37:43
jarrod_dyke
Yep. Yep.
00:37:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Taz and Reds have only played three games.
00:37:48
jarrod_dyke
Now, it'll be interesting to see when they get when they dig into Chiefs and Canes and ah also so Highlanders.
00:37:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Brumbies have played every match so but they haven't had their bye week. So they've got two teams that have played a bye week. But Reds and Taz look good. And that'll be ah that'll be a fucking game too.
00:37:58
jarrod_dyke
um
00:37:58
Grumpy Old Prop
But we'll get there.
00:37:58
jarrod_dyke
But yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
00:38:00
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:38:00
jarrod_dyke
the
00:38:01
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, Brumbies are are are looking tough.
00:38:02
jarrod_dyke
No, I'm not either.
00:38:03
Grumpy Old Prop
And I i i support that.
00:38:03
jarrod_dyke
I'm not either. They they didn't play poor super poorly this past weekend. They obviously won.
00:38:07
Grumpy Old Prop
And that was, it yeah, the Brumbies won losses to the Reds.
00:38:08
jarrod_dyke
um for sir meh
00:38:10
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like they're they're they're not losing outside of the outside the family.
00:38:15
jarrod_dyke
i mean they listen they they beat crusaders week one that was a huge result you know that that that meant a lot i i will say might as well just dig into the hounders since we're on them um that cam miller has played so well for them they're they're young 10 like
00:38:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm still not sold on the Highlanders. Not yet.
00:38:35
jarrod_dyke
Could we see ah eventual all-black here?
00:38:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I
Future of Cam Miller as an All Black
00:38:40
Grumpy Old Prop
mean, they've been tough.
00:38:40
jarrod_dyke
I'd say so. like he's
00:38:42
Grumpy Old Prop
i'm not gonna i'm not I'm not counting them out.
00:38:42
jarrod_dyke
He's been very poised. He's been very calm under under pressure.
00:38:44
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just I want to see.
00:38:44
jarrod_dyke
young He obviously hit the big kick to to beat the Crusaders, and that took some clangers.
00:38:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, like they did. It was.
00:38:49
jarrod_dyke
he's He has the tools that it requires to play international rugby. He's obviously got a host of players in front of him, but I'd say he's got the ages on his side, so he probably will see opportunities in the black shirt.
00:38:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:39:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:39:06
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, I agree.
00:39:09
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean.
00:39:12
jarrod_dyke
Barrett's 34.
00:39:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm
00:39:13
jarrod_dyke
He's not a pup. He's probably, honestly, after after the World Cup, I think he's out.
00:39:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm
00:39:18
jarrod_dyke
think he's gone.
00:39:23
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:39:26
jarrod_dyke
Right.
00:39:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Put him on the squad, at least.
00:39:33
jarrod_dyke
Moulinka should be back.
00:39:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, yeah, he's not he's not going to start as long as as long as Barrett and, unfortunately, DMACC are around. He's not going to start, but like not yet, anyway.
00:39:41
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:39:42
Grumpy Old Prop
That's true.
00:39:42
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:39:43
Grumpy Old Prop
That's true.
00:39:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Exactly. that's yeah so that's i'm i'm eyeing Everything right now, I'm eyeing towards the World Cup since we're in that that last little lead-up to it. um
00:39:57
Grumpy Old Prop
like Barrett's probably your 10, unless Mawanga is back. um So, yeah. In that case, maybe Barrett's your 15, you have Will Jordan at wing, or I don't know what you do.
00:40:07
jarrod_dyke
yeah i'd I'd say give them some time. They got this tour to South Africa. I'd say possibly give him some time in that, but then they have the the nation's league.
00:40:12
Grumpy Old Prop
um But you got to have all those guys on the field.
00:40:15
jarrod_dyke
That's a possibility as well to give him some time as well.
00:40:17
Grumpy Old Prop
and
00:40:18
jarrod_dyke
So there's opportunities where he can get some time without, you know, totally damaging his confidence by, you know, by any means.
00:40:18
Grumpy Old Prop
but but Miller deserves a shot. He should be in that squad. certainly Certainly to get a feel for it because it's one of those like, dude, we we need someone for 31 and we need someone who who's been there and and seen it and i don't know who else they got.
00:40:26
jarrod_dyke
So I, I think if, um, I think if Dave Rennie is smart, by the way, Dave Rennie, what a hire, I am a huge fan of that.
00:40:35
Grumpy Old Prop
So yeah, he's going to be on there.
00:40:36
jarrod_dyke
I, I don't know if if you happen to see the line from Quaid Cooper, but him getting sacked in favor of Eddie was obviously one of the biggest mistakes Australia made, bar none, um with very few exceptions.
00:40:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:40:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:40:52
jarrod_dyke
And Quaid's like, yeah, this is biting us in the ass now because we should never have let him go.
00:40:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:40:57
jarrod_dyke
he had so many good things going. on a such a great rugby person. It was so shocking when they decided that they wanted to sack him. And I, I totally agreed at the time.
00:41:07
jarrod_dyke
Now Schmidt kind of righted the ship a little bit and he's done a lot of good work and lead the groundwork for, uh, I believe it's less kiss coming in now after this, uh, super rugby season's over.
00:41:10
Grumpy Old Prop
I did not see.
00:41:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
00:41:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:41:18
jarrod_dyke
But yeah, I, I think they were spoiled for choice. All blacks with Dave, Renny and Jamie Joseph possibly vying to get into that role. Um,
00:41:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:41:26
jarrod_dyke
I feel bad for Robertson. He almost didn't really get comfortable, ever get comfortable in the role.
00:41:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:41:31
jarrod_dyke
And, with and from all reports, wasn't himself while he was coaching this team, which is unfortunate. You know, I think the pressure got to him, honestly,
Coaching Pressures in Rugby
00:41:45
jarrod_dyke
sadly.
00:41:45
jarrod_dyke
That's the, and I, and I hate to like throw that bullet out there on people. Cause that's, that sucks.
00:41:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:41:50
jarrod_dyke
That's a shitty one to throw out there. But I, I think with the reports that are coming in, I think that's exactly what happened, unfortunately, and that sucks. You know, I like the guy. I think he's still going to be, think wherever he lands, the team's be very lucky to have him.
00:42:00
Grumpy Old Prop
he
00:42:02
jarrod_dyke
um But yeah, like Dave, runningney good for you.
00:42:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's the weird thing. like Yeah, that is sad because like he's he's just yeah. like
00:42:10
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:42:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, probably.
00:42:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:42:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:42:31
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, right.
00:42:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Saracens are still looking for a coach allegedly because Andy Farrell is not the man.
00:42:33
jarrod_dyke
Not wrong. Excuse me
00:42:38
Grumpy Old Prop
so Although i i I did want to to make mention of that because it was hilarious that their announcement of we are not saying anything, you know we are not in talk with Andy Farrell included a picture of of Andy Farrell and Owen Farrell holding the Champions Cup trophy.
00:42:50
jarrod_dyke
me. It's a different beast.
00:42:53
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like ah the image that's going along with our announcement is raising more questions about the announcement than the announcement is answering.
00:42:54
jarrod_dyke
it's a different It's a different beast.
00:42:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Like
00:43:03
Grumpy Old Prop
But um yeah, Razor will end up somewhere and and that's good. and And maybe this is one of those, you know, he needs to be there and know what it's like, which is weird because he's done so well at the club level, but and obviously it's a step up.
00:43:08
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:43:14
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:43:19
Grumpy Old Prop
It's a, it's a complete different level for player and coach. And so you mean you need, yeah, you need to to get that experience.
00:43:25
jarrod_dyke
Breaks the curse.
00:43:26
Grumpy Old Prop
And then like, I remember um you'll, you might appreciate this. I didn't at the time, but I do now. um when Terry Francona, when he was hired by the Red Sox, um the former Phillies manager, and he shit the bed in Philly.
00:43:36
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, sometimes you do. Sometimes you do. um Yeah. so Anyway.
00:43:43
Grumpy Old Prop
And when he was hired by the Red Sox, he was like, this is you know I kind of got a mulligan there.
00:43:43
jarrod_dyke
Anyway, we're going to digress. um rever
00:43:47
Grumpy Old Prop
like I needed to learn things. I needed to see it.
00:43:49
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, we got in there.
00:43:49
Grumpy Old Prop
like That was a practice run for this.
00:43:50
jarrod_dyke
um But yeah, and i just back to the Highlanders real quick, and then we'll move on.
00:43:51
Grumpy Old Prop
And then he goes on and wins the World Series with the Rays Cris for the Red Sox.
00:43:55
jarrod_dyke
um The back three that they have, that is you that is generally their starting.
00:43:56
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like, this is a like yeah, you need you need that.
00:43:59
jarrod_dyke
Honestly, their most of their back, honestly, is like, ooh, I love it. Sean O'Lo kind of meh.
00:44:03
Grumpy Old Prop
failure sometimes succeed
00:44:03
jarrod_dyke
But the rest of it, Tava Tava Naubele, Has been amazing. um Ratamai Tavukinikin's awesome.
00:44:10
Grumpy Old Prop
anyway we we got way off topic back to the all that to say yeah cam miller better be on the squad ah forine all right
00:44:11
jarrod_dyke
Nareki, you know, kind of he's he's a little injury-prone, but while he's healthy, forget it he's He's definitely someone you want out there. And Tangy Tao making the move over here has been, or not move, but sophomore slump is not a thing for him, ah clearly, because he he's put his hand back up and said, ha ha, so anybody that thought this wasn't going to be a thing, i am a thing. Deal with it.
00:44:32
jarrod_dyke
So, i you know great things.
00:44:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Not you,
00:44:34
jarrod_dyke
They lack depth, which is the thing that concerns me the most. um But, you know, they're certainly their but their backline is the danger for for me with the exception of one or two guys otherwise.
00:44:46
jarrod_dyke
um But, yeah, I like a of what's going on with them. So I think it'll still be kind of a disappointing-ish year for them.
00:44:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:44:54
jarrod_dyke
But I think there's there you cannot sleep on them because that backline will destroy you.
00:45:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:45:01
jarrod_dyke
by no means. oh
00:45:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:45:06
jarrod_dyke
How about your your chefs? Right.
00:45:13
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:45:19
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't hate it. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:45:21
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:45:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:45:32
jarrod_dyke
No.
00:45:36
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, we'll see.
00:45:37
Grumpy Old Prop
um'm I'm liking what I'm seeing. if they're they're back to they're They're doing the things that they've been doing. um you know Mackenzie was out for a little bit with with the on on paternity paternity leave.
00:45:50
Grumpy Old Prop
um And he's come back and done obviously very well.
00:45:53
jarrod_dyke
yeah we'll see
00:45:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Just just slotted right back in there. Had to got a very good week. And now he gets a bye. um But they're they're looking tough.
00:46:01
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, we'll see.
00:46:02
Grumpy Old Prop
They're looking tough.
00:46:02
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:46:03
Grumpy Old Prop
They're not going to be an easy out at any point. there're I'm kind of... I'm really seeing, like, we'll see what happens with Taz Reds.
00:46:10
jarrod_dyke
I thought um Jacob played to talk about guys that potentially wear the black shirt in the future.
00:46:13
Grumpy Old Prop
I think Blues are a little bit of an aberration, but I really think it's Brumby's, Hurricanes Chiefs for, whereas at the moment, for for the the real, like, that's my, I mean, they're up at the top tier, but there's ah those are my top clubs for for the potential championship.
00:46:16
jarrod_dyke
I thought Jacob but were performed quite well in the first three weeks without McKenzie. And um I think that last one was kind of ah one that got away from him a little bit. But you need those moments for a guy his age in order for him to do the growing up that's required so he can thrive in those moments later on in his career.
00:46:32
Grumpy Old Prop
I think Chiefs, and the Chiefs have, the you know, going back to what you said about the Highlanders, Chiefs have fucking depth out the ass.
00:46:33
jarrod_dyke
Oh, for sure.
00:46:36
jarrod_dyke
oh for sure
00:46:53
Grumpy Old Prop
but yeah
00:46:58
Grumpy Old Prop
e
00:46:59
jarrod_dyke
Narawa or whoever.
00:47:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, i'm still I'm still high on him in the for the future. i want to see more dynamic play from him. He's very good he's getting he's getting quite good at the the distribution and it's it's it's tough with the Chiefs because, you know,
00:47:15
Grumpy Old Prop
literally everybody outside of the 10 is a fucking threat so you know yeah you don't want Jacob check um being the one running the ball because you want it to be Tapia or Rona or any of the other yeah where yeah um
00:47:17
jarrod_dyke
um you made me do it too. Damn it. You freaking spread in the qualifier over here. Leroy Carter. There we go. We got there. ah
00:47:33
Grumpy Old Prop
there's just too many options so yeah and shit I'm blanking on um the young that young winger Yeah,
00:47:48
jarrod_dyke
Oh yeah, the young kid. That was like his first touch of the game and he scored.
00:47:50
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah exactly. I'm having a complete brain fart.
00:47:51
jarrod_dyke
Like, okay, there goes that.
00:47:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Leroy Carter. Yes. Leroy Carter. um and And you can say like all these guys have just been guys. You can get it done. um Fuck.
00:48:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Even this past week, you look at them at 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. All of them had at least one try and Carter had three.
00:48:08
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, hopefully you can get some learning experience with that though too. He needs be able to get into space.
00:48:11
Grumpy Old Prop
like that's And the 23 had one as well.
00:48:12
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:48:14
Grumpy Old Prop
so like
00:48:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, Kyle Brown.
00:48:19
jarrod_dyke
Right.
00:48:20
Grumpy Old Prop
um ye so Yeah, they got some players, and and it's going to be a lot of fun for the future.
00:48:21
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. um Before we get too dark, while we love to shit on ah television platforms and and broadcasting platforms here,
00:48:28
Grumpy Old Prop
and like Yeah, you don't you don't need Jake home running the ball, but
Rugby Pass TV vs Paid Platforms
00:48:33
jarrod_dyke
Love that this is on Rugby Pass TV, and there's been very little wrong with it, considering that it's a free service that says a lot.
00:48:33
Grumpy Old Prop
that's that's good.
00:48:34
Grumpy Old Prop
he He can be that distributor and get guys you know where they need to be.
00:48:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:48:41
jarrod_dyke
you know, there were more fuck-ups with our paid a lot of our paid services than there have been with Rugby Pass TV, it has to be said.
00:48:42
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's easy when you're going against, well, although that was McKenzie coming back against Moana Pacifica, but you're still looking strong.
00:48:48
jarrod_dyke
So, i you know, I love this. I hope more more leagues get moved on to it, honestly, because it just makes it more accessible. Like, i I start the high school team. The first thing I said was Rugby Pass TV. Go watch Super Rugby. It's for free and it's good stuff. Have fun.
00:49:06
jarrod_dyke
And so I hope but most of the kids have turned it on.
00:49:10
Grumpy Old Prop
It is.
00:49:10
jarrod_dyke
um But, yeah, it's just a nice resource to have. um You did allude to the blue, so let's go there. um Big win for them this past weekend.
00:49:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:49:19
jarrod_dyke
making life Making life hard on the Crusaders. Clark doing his thing.
00:49:23
Grumpy Old Prop
who
00:49:27
jarrod_dyke
He can play. i i mean, i have concerns about their midfield and I have concerns about their, their engine room. But other than that, they they do. I mean, there's a lot of great things and Finley Christie's not that good, but you know,
00:49:54
Grumpy Old Prop
you can play a little bit um that's good to see yes
00:49:56
jarrod_dyke
yeah Yeah, there they do have problems. yeah um i think there're I think Barrett and Clark might cover up for a lot of it, honestly.
00:50:09
Grumpy Old Prop
well mean i like beer and dairy a lot actually so um but it really i i have more issues with their back their back row And the centers, as you said.
00:50:21
Grumpy Old Prop
And the fact and basically they're back three outside of Caleb Clark. But other than that, things are all right there. Their front row not terrible.
00:50:35
Grumpy Old Prop
They do. And that's the thing, like they have enough talent and that's that's, you know, especially for this past weekend.
00:50:36
jarrod_dyke
Nope.
00:50:42
Grumpy Old Prop
They had the talent to overcome you know the little bit of the you know the um the inexperience of the Hotham-Rehanna battery and the fact that
00:50:47
jarrod_dyke
They just don't know how to do it.
00:50:56
Grumpy Old Prop
hard they they know Will Jordan wasn't playing, so there was really not much. Severi Reis is not... Has not this year been what he once was?
00:51:04
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. No, I...
00:51:05
Grumpy Old Prop
um seeing for Same for Faiangunuku, who's still struggling.
00:51:07
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:51:08
Grumpy Old Prop
there's There's something about that 13 shirt for Crusaders where you can put these excellent guys in there and they just can't do anything.
00:51:13
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:51:17
Grumpy Old Prop
um i get Faiangunuku back out to the wing as soon as you can if you really want to do anything. And yeah, go with you know Havili and McLeod and whatever for your for your centers if you really don't want him to do anything.
00:51:25
jarrod_dyke
No, definitely not. So we'll see. We'll see where they from where they finish.
00:51:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Get Faiangunuku out of there and and have him on the wing.
00:51:30
jarrod_dyke
Big win, obviously, this past weekend. But, yeah, definitely have let themselves down a little bit with some of their performances as well.
00:51:35
Grumpy Old Prop
I think that's enough. But the the Blues have enough to overcome that is really where we are.
Blues' Midfield Concerns
00:51:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, Satutu isn't, you Papali Satutu, I'm not really that impressed this year so far.
00:51:43
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:51:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Segnar's been okay.
00:51:50
Grumpy Old Prop
no The front row is still solid, but not splashy.
00:51:51
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. If I told you... that the Crusaders were going to be on five points after four weeks, though. Would you believe me?
00:51:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:00
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. that's Especially after last year.
00:52:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:52:03
jarrod_dyke
And i was just, like I mean, looking at the team, i i like George Bell started off really well this year, obviously.
00:52:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, that's why i'm that's why I'm not really in. You know they're they're in still got to see more, I guess.
00:52:10
jarrod_dyke
um
00:52:11
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't really got to see it. I don't know that I'm going to see it.
00:52:12
jarrod_dyke
here Taylor's the the Wiley veteran in there.
00:52:14
Grumpy Old Prop
But they're also a team that can play gritty if they need to and win.
00:52:16
jarrod_dyke
um Yeah, their back three concerns me a little bit with Fiocchi, and as you were alluded to, Reese is not quite...
00:52:16
Grumpy Old Prop
So who knows?
00:52:24
jarrod_dyke
Ben himself there. um
00:52:27
Grumpy Old Prop
I'd slap you in the face.
00:52:27
jarrod_dyke
ah David Avili has actually surprised me with the way he's played. He's played pretty solidly thus far for a guy that was kind of mad the last couple of seasons.
00:52:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:35
jarrod_dyke
So I'll give him credit. Leo Willie is him himself. So that's fine. ah But yeah, I think they have issues. You know, Tamati Williams got himself a suspension. That didn't help. um Yeah. Hotham's great.
00:52:49
jarrod_dyke
Rihanna and Kemera are guys that are slowly turning into very, very serviceable tens.
00:52:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:52:55
jarrod_dyke
um And Hultim is obviously, like as i as I said, i but yeah one of my favorite nines in the league for sure.
00:53:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:53:01
jarrod_dyke
um Great stuff there. But yeah, like Fanganuku doesn't quite look like the guy we know and and not for the better. Yeah.
00:53:13
jarrod_dyke
And yeah, there's, you know, the, the background outside of Leo Willie, I'm the, the, the, um, second row, we'll see some, we'll see some good things coming with, um, I still like Shelfoon.
00:53:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:53:28
jarrod_dyke
I think he's having a struggle to start the year, but I still like him.
00:53:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah,
00:53:31
jarrod_dyke
Um, dumb, dumb Barrett will come back soon, soonish, uh, from his sabbatical. And then, yeah we, we, uh, a name we allude to before Liam Jack, um, Dad played for the Crusaders, Uncle played with the Crusaders, and Uncle played for the All Blacks too.
00:53:40
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah.
00:53:46
jarrod_dyke
So could be someone to keep your eye on the future.
00:53:47
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah yeah
00:53:49
jarrod_dyke
As far as I know, he's hurt right now. So that's probably the reason we won't see him for a bit.
00:54:03
jarrod_dyke
Pulling the chute.
00:54:18
Grumpy Old Prop
it's Okay. Right. But it is it is time to start um pulling pulling, not rip cords, but pulling but you know pushing buttons, I guess.
00:54:29
jarrod_dyke
No. No.
00:54:31
Grumpy Old Prop
see what we see
00:54:32
jarrod_dyke
It's usually at least two threats around the park, and they don't quite have that.
00:54:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but it's like it at this point, what do you you know you you you can only last with some of these guys for so long, right? like
00:54:43
jarrod_dyke
no
00:54:44
Grumpy Old Prop
i' Sorry, I'm getting back into that that team that I'm just like, Leo Willey, there's a lot to look, but Blackadder Gardner, I'm not really, like the you can't play with just one loose forward, as we've seen you know some of the other clubs that we talk about. like You can't play without really,
00:55:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:55:03
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, a lot of them are, unfortunately.
00:55:04
Grumpy Old Prop
or Or at the very least, you need then some spicy fucking centers and they don't really have that.
00:55:05
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, you're right. um
00:55:10
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, and then I guess the last team, newton key qe not the last team, KiwiB, because I guess we want to technically is, but they would prefer to be based somewhere else in Samoa or at Tonga.
00:55:10
Grumpy Old Prop
So something's got to give. You need somebody who can somebody in that like runner and physicality. that you know I see the the loose forwards and centers as as very similar in what they do around the world they should be doing around the park.
00:55:22
jarrod_dyke
um i would also prefer that as well, despite their big win down in La Tonga.
00:55:26
Grumpy Old Prop
And they these guys are too similar, but it's not in a good way.
00:55:30
jarrod_dyke
But... um
00:55:36
jarrod_dyke
yeah
00:55:43
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, they got beat pretty handily by the force. That was not a good game, I'm sure. Umaga was losing his mind about that one.
00:55:51
Grumpy Old Prop
I would prefer them to be good. So.
00:56:00
Grumpy Old Prop
But that's been it. That's been, that's like, that was almost like their, their Superbowl in a way.
00:56:01
jarrod_dyke
No, and to be fair, that is energy sapping to go to Fiji.
00:56:04
Grumpy Old Prop
and Like, and then since and then it's just been, it's not even been close.
00:56:06
jarrod_dyke
It really is for a lot of reasons, for a lot of reasons.
00:56:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, how do you to, how are going lose to the, like get, get almost doubled up by the force at home?
00:56:11
jarrod_dyke
Yo, yeah, sh that was not that was not a fun game to watch, and it was not a fun game to be a fan of.
00:56:15
Grumpy Old Prop
i mean i
00:56:17
jarrod_dyke
i was like, ah yeah
00:56:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and i i' I'll grant the the game against your your Hurricanes because they were like, yeah, we're going to do a complete change.
00:56:21
jarrod_dyke
yeah, you didn't need to watch more than that, I promise you.
00:56:27
jarrod_dyke
So there is some bright spots for Moana.
00:56:27
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know that they started anybody who started to get the against the Druah.
00:56:31
jarrod_dyke
Like Tupacoyle, I like him a lot. I think he's going to be a little bit more svelte.
00:56:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:56:36
jarrod_dyke
And that's me saying that. um
00:56:38
Grumpy Old Prop
As the Hurricanes then showed.
00:56:38
jarrod_dyke
But if if he gets just... Honestly, if he just I don't even care if he gets more svelte. Just gets a little fitter and is able to carry around the park just a little bit better.
00:56:44
Grumpy Old Prop
No. Yeah, i think i watched i think I watched the first half of that.
00:56:46
jarrod_dyke
And I mean a little bit. um We're talking margins small margins here.
00:56:49
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm like, I'm i'm good.
00:56:50
jarrod_dyke
But he is so close to really being an extremely...
00:56:51
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't need to watch more than that. this it's It's a, yeah, playing in a puddle.
00:56:56
jarrod_dyke
nightmarish number eight to play against. um You know, Bayou, okay, yep.
00:57:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:57:05
jarrod_dyke
Hasn't played too too bad. Pellegrini's had mostly good games, but yeah not quite. A lot of free jacks, I have to say. Has a lot of free jacks.
00:57:16
jarrod_dyke
Simi Cipaya, Mel Santarabi.
00:57:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:19
Grumpy Old Prop
They matter.
00:57:20
jarrod_dyke
Who's the other one now? like... And they've been good. um Oh, um our guy from last year is in this team too, isn't he? um Damn it.
00:57:31
jarrod_dyke
I can't remember his name.
00:57:32
Grumpy Old Prop
I like, yeah.
00:57:36
jarrod_dyke
I'll think of his name in a minute, but it it doesn't matter. Oh, Hala.
00:57:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:57:38
jarrod_dyke
Yes, he is in this team. Yes.
00:57:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Probably Malo's got to put it together, though.
00:57:41
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Okay. There we go. See, I knew there was three in this one.
00:57:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:48
jarrod_dyke
yeah yeah Yeah, that that guy.
00:57:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Who's been good? Yeah.
00:57:52
jarrod_dyke
So yeah, he's so he's in the team um and this team. Joel Lamb is a name that people are chucking around. ah Yeah, played last week, but like he's he's someone I think could be one of those future-ish guys.
00:58:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Who's that?
00:58:06
jarrod_dyke
He's 23. He's
00:58:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah. Yeah, he is.
00:58:10
jarrod_dyke
i think he's eligible to play for three national teams.
00:58:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Scored that awesome try on the kick against ah some shitty team.
00:58:13
jarrod_dyke
Let's see, Pacific Nations, who did he play for last?
00:58:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Chicago, right?
00:58:20
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, he does he actually has some caps.
00:58:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:58:22
jarrod_dyke
Yeah,
00:58:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:58:28
jarrod_dyke
yeah he has some caps for, looks like, Samoa.
00:58:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:58:37
jarrod_dyke
So that's good news for Samoa, because that's our position for them to produce. good talent and so but that'd be nice to see um but yeah so there's lot good to like but they need more to like to say the least
00:59:04
jarrod_dyke
yeah it's got to start clicking soon
00:59:16
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:59:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And it's it's kind of a trend with them. But again, it's still they they have they have some pieces in place. So it's just got to start clicking.
Moana Pasifika's Team Cohesion Issues
00:59:33
Grumpy Old Prop
And too much, as you know, you mentioned a bunch of the free jacks and all these guys coming in and it's like, you know, Lamape coming in. that There's a lot of these to these for these guys to ah learn how to play with each other, too. And that's that's been a constant with.
00:59:46
Grumpy Old Prop
um with Moana, there's not really been a core group. Like even Fai Laghi, who's been showing like signs of being amazing, he doesn't get enough he hasn't in the past gotten enough playing time and he's been off and on.
00:59:50
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. um And then the the actual loss for the Kiwi team, Hurricanes. yeah Two solid wins and then one tough loss.
00:59:59
Grumpy Old Prop
And this year it's it's he was awesome and then it's been a struggle.
01:00:01
jarrod_dyke
What are you going to do?
01:00:03
Grumpy Old Prop
so
01:00:04
jarrod_dyke
What are you going to do?
01:00:04
Grumpy Old Prop
um But then he's been in and out of the lineup again. So it's like just just get a core group and and play with them and come what may.
01:00:07
jarrod_dyke
yeah, I mean, i did not expect them to turn the toss inside out the way they did.
01:00:13
Grumpy Old Prop
But they're struggling with that.
01:00:13
jarrod_dyke
But damn, okay.
01:00:14
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's, I think, why they're not building.
01:00:15
jarrod_dyke
um Man, Brett Cameron going down in that first game. and Poor fella. Poor fella. Just clawed his way back from a knee injury last year and got a little bit of time at the end.
01:00:27
jarrod_dyke
But man, so hurtful.
01:00:30
Grumpy Old Prop
that's
01:00:30
jarrod_dyke
And they they they won't have God free this year at all. um Ruben Love should be back sometime in the next couple rounds. Hopefully that will bring some support. Cal Markin didn't play badly in that badly in either game.
01:00:44
jarrod_dyke
the the i mean, the first game was just a mess.
01:00:47
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:00:48
jarrod_dyke
That's hard that's hard to play in.
01:00:49
Grumpy Old Prop
that's yeah
01:00:50
jarrod_dyke
Plain and simple. And, know, if you're not experienced 10 in that type of stuff at this level, it's really hard to play at that. But looked good against the Taz. Came in against, you know, Moana looked good.
01:01:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
01:01:02
jarrod_dyke
So there's hope there for for him. I like i like a lot of what's going on with that. Yep. And then the back, you know, the backs seem to be running the show right now. And why not? There's so many good ones right now.
01:01:18
jarrod_dyke
It's just not mad about it.
01:01:19
Grumpy Old Prop
hey
01:01:21
jarrod_dyke
I'm really not.
01:01:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:01:45
Grumpy Old Prop
There are.
01:01:47
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
01:01:50
Grumpy Old Prop
No. is Yeah, there's a lot to love about that team. and and you know ah
01:01:55
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
01:01:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Outside of the question marks and...
01:01:57
jarrod_dyke
Yosei Lakai, Karifi, even Flanders has played well in his in his places, so yeah.
01:01:58
Grumpy Old Prop
But damn. that's Again, they're the kind of the opposite of that that Highlanders team in a way, where it's like... Well, not the Highlanders, um the Crusaders team.
01:02:04
jarrod_dyke
And then, don't forget about the the giant Japanese international,
01:02:07
Grumpy Old Prop
um Where it's like...
01:02:09
jarrod_dyke
turns
01:02:09
Grumpy Old Prop
You've got backs out there and you've got loose forwards who can just, you got to watch them.
01:02:11
jarrod_dyke
He came in, and i think the first two lineouts he bottled, and then after that he looked great.
01:02:16
Grumpy Old Prop
You can't, you can't just be like, Oh, this guy's a plotter.
01:02:16
jarrod_dyke
I was like, okay, those are nerves. Those are nerves. It's okay.
01:02:18
Grumpy Old Prop
We don't, we don't have to worry about him.
01:02:18
jarrod_dyke
It's okay.
01:02:19
Grumpy Old Prop
We'll just make our tackles on him.
01:02:19
jarrod_dyke
So, yeah, that's it's looking good in terms of that.
01:02:20
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's, that's that. Nope. Mm-hmm.
01:02:24
jarrod_dyke
You know, I think there's goods and bads about the team for sure, but at the same time, like, if there's –
01:02:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:02:33
jarrod_dyke
It's so wild, this team. This this team could be you know end up somehow missing the playoff because things don't click.
01:02:38
Grumpy Old Prop
if i Right.
01:02:41
jarrod_dyke
or This team could be top of the pile. like is such ah It's so volatile how that how this team could finish.
01:02:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:02:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:02:49
jarrod_dyke
and They haven't even had Nihalo back. Nihalo's been out for a while. I think he's still missing at least another two rounds easily. um So if they get him back, half have fun.
01:03:02
jarrod_dyke
That tank. um Plus Ruben Love. Yeah, okay. There's lots to like about it, so we'll see how it goes. but And I think Billy Proctor's playing amazingly, by the way. like Billy Proctor is making teams realize that they can't just focus on Jordy in the midfield.
01:03:19
jarrod_dyke
like they They need to respect him or they will he will cook.
01:03:21
Grumpy Old Prop
a
01:03:23
jarrod_dyke
Okay.
01:03:38
Grumpy Old Prop
do Do you think you'd be slot? Oh, yes.
01:03:47
Grumpy Old Prop
e
01:03:52
Grumpy Old Prop
that's what I don't understand at this point at this point Jordy is not the guy who's going to cook him right he's he's he's basically he's a you know kind of a Peyton Manning little bit of a statue out there he he'll he put the ball where he needs to be but I'm not I won't you know I'd let him run on me alright cool I would not let Billy Proctor run on me I'd make sure okay look we're going to make sure you can't pass to Billy Proctor you can run Jordy
01:03:58
jarrod_dyke
No, I think they'll put him at fullback. They might, but his best position is 15.
01:04:15
Grumpy Old Prop
and And, you know, take, take what he, you know, what he can get. Cause it's not going to be a hell of a lot. But they haven't sorted that out yet.
01:04:20
jarrod_dyke
Morby goes to wing, Finneanofo stays at wing, and Sullivan goes to the bench.
01:04:21
Grumpy Old Prop
um One question I wanted to ask when, when love is, is back, do do you just slot him at 10?
01:04:25
jarrod_dyke
for himself problem solved problem solved Morby Morby knows what the try line is we can can still find it from from wing that's not the problem with me um yeah and then you get to figure out who who gets odd man out and honestly if Fini and Ofo and Niholo are both healthy and 100% and on their game Niholo is the better player so that means Fini and Ofo goes to the bench too so um and then we yeah we gotta we'll wrap this up real quick Rugby Australia uh
01:04:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
01:04:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I, well, no doubt, but I mean, you got more B back there who can do that. So it's like, do you, did do you kind of take the, the, the, you know, 80% of what love can give you with you know and then you take Morby at 100% at 15 or do you just take um okay fair it is decided
01:04:57
jarrod_dyke
Reds, big win this past weekend.
01:05:02
Grumpy Old Prop
okay fair
01:05:04
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, won't have Tate for most of the season. So that'll be hurtful.
01:05:19
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
01:05:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't know. i mean, yeah. Yes. Big win. I don't, I just don't know what to expect from them.
01:05:38
Grumpy Old Prop
It, Yeah, it'll be hurtful, but he's still like, I mean, they're still doing all right with, um, oh shoot, Warchon has been, has been pretty damn good.
01:05:50
jarrod_dyke
Yep. Agreed.
01:05:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, it's nice to see Carter Gordon finally, you know, coming, like getting, getting his union legs back underneath him.
01:05:52
jarrod_dyke
ah Not a great result for the Taz, but they're still not a team I would go dismissing quite yet. um
01:05:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
01:06:01
jarrod_dyke
had I had issues with, I had questions about loss and Creighton, but I also have had my questions mostly answered thus far in the first first three games for them, first four rounds.
01:06:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, they've and they they've just got so much power there. And and especially with, you know, they they did this without Tim Ryan, who's been still excellent this year um when he's played.
01:06:12
Grumpy Old Prop
So again, Reds have depth.
01:06:13
jarrod_dyke
um Yeah, he's their 10, and i don't think there's a though i I don't see a problem with it, and I think the problem now lies in what's going on in the midfield for them, because Zouli needs to do more
01:06:15
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just a question of what can and can they put it all together?
01:06:29
jarrod_dyke
in order for Because whoever's wearing 12 right now, it doesn't matter.
01:06:29
Grumpy Old Prop
no, that's their...
01:06:32
jarrod_dyke
They're meh. So that's a problem for me. um Their pack is strong. No question about that. I think that's i think it's still a pretty good pack there.
01:06:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:06:44
jarrod_dyke
So they that doesn't present any issues for me. i really think it's what's going on in that midfield. And um can Lawson Crichton grow as the season goes?
01:06:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:06:57
jarrod_dyke
think those will be the things that kind of determine how high or how low they finish.
01:06:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:07:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:07:03
jarrod_dyke
so um Georgia's got to figure out a way to fucking win away from home.
01:07:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:07:10
jarrod_dyke
i wait Even when they're at home, they've got to win.
01:07:12
Grumpy Old Prop
he
01:07:25
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
01:07:37
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, got it pulled together.
01:07:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:07:38
jarrod_dyke
And then i i had hopes for the Force because then the in the pieces they had weren't bad.
01:07:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:07:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. that That's they're, they're, so they're capable of great things. They just got to now do it.
01:07:47
jarrod_dyke
But the sum of the parts thus far, or the whole thus far, has been to say the least.
01:07:49
Grumpy Old Prop
We saw it last year. We saw them really push the, push the envelope now. and Okay. And they've only played three games, so they're still getting into their season.
01:07:55
jarrod_dyke
There is a whole, that's for sure.
01:07:57
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, but now that and they've had their bi-week now, so it's like, okay, you see what you've got.
01:07:58
jarrod_dyke
Apart from apartment Tizano. That's it.
01:08:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Put it together.
01:08:06
jarrod_dyke
And Williams. Williams. I'll give Williams credit, actually. Yeah, they've had... Jeremy Williams has pretty solid. I'll give him
01:08:15
Grumpy Old Prop
No, not there, but you're still the first. whole
01:08:28
jarrod_dyke
Did you... i played this for some of my youngsters.
01:08:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Who's been fantastic. um
01:08:32
jarrod_dyke
Did you see the try that he knocked on against milwanna
01:08:33
Grumpy Old Prop
They've had, they've had some other decent ones. Oh yeah, there we go.
01:08:37
jarrod_dyke
It was one of those, what remember when Freddie Burns knocked on against two, and lose very similar, like thought he was in took his foot off the gas, gave up a little bit on it and someone chased him down and made him knock it on.
01:08:37
Grumpy Old Prop
I was like, i know there's someone else. Um,
01:08:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and theirre their two props are are pretty pretty not bad either, but that thing, props. um you know Mish had a had a pretty good week this week, but like George Bridge got to put it together.
01:08:50
jarrod_dyke
but but i was like, Ooh, he did.
01:08:53
Grumpy Old Prop
and there that back That back three is just painful.
01:08:53
jarrod_dyke
I think he eventually scored again, but was like, Oh, this is why you don't quit on the play. And this is why you don't assume you scored until you've died. Damn.
01:09:03
jarrod_dyke
Oh, silly, silly, silly.
01:09:04
Grumpy Old Prop
No, I didn't.
01:09:05
jarrod_dyke
um I know Forrest haven't had pace. That's been hurtful, and he is definitely a rock star when he's in there um and should help open up some space for other guys.
01:09:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. Yes.
01:09:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
01:09:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
01:09:16
jarrod_dyke
But he's been he's been quality.
01:09:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Can't, cannot.
01:09:20
jarrod_dyke
I'm not a huge fan of him, but he has been quality. So I won't i won knock that by any means whatsoever.
01:09:27
jarrod_dyke
All right. Pick him and then wear
01:09:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:09:31
jarrod_dyke
gtfo um
01:09:36
jarrod_dyke
let's let's let's let's Let's go easy first.
01:09:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:09:38
jarrod_dyke
Let's do let's do Super Rugby.
01:09:42
jarrod_dyke
but
01:09:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:09:45
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
01:09:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Donaldson's been pretty good too.
01:09:46
jarrod_dyke
ah
01:09:46
Grumpy Old Prop
So, you know, I'll give him...
01:09:47
jarrod_dyke
Hurricane's Force.
01:09:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. All
01:09:49
jarrod_dyke
Hurricane's. Drew Brumbies.
01:09:53
Grumpy Old Prop
right.
01:09:54
jarrod_dyke
I'm going to go with the Brumbies.
01:09:59
jarrod_dyke
Oh, i I agree, but I think the Brumbies will figure it out.
01:10:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Let me get to my notes.
01:10:02
jarrod_dyke
they i I believe in what's going on with Stephen Blackham, so I'm going to go.
01:10:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. This is actually very going to be very easy for me.
01:10:11
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Everyone will pay attention, for sure. Crusaders, Highlanders.
01:10:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Home team.
01:10:19
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
01:10:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Home team.
01:10:21
jarrod_dyke
Reds, Taz.
01:10:24
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
01:10:24
Grumpy Old Prop
and Yeah, I just... Again, we saw with the...
01:10:26
jarrod_dyke
ah It'll be interesting. I won't be surprised with the to if the Taz rock up, but yeah.
01:10:30
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just a wild card.
01:10:32
jarrod_dyke
ah Different team than played a week one for sure.
01:10:34
Grumpy Old Prop
This is one of those... if if if If the Brombies do it now...
01:10:36
jarrod_dyke
Blues Moana.
01:10:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
01:10:39
jarrod_dyke
Blues, yeah, that's not hard.
01:10:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Let's see.
01:10:40
jarrod_dyke
Okay, Super Saturday.
01:10:40
Grumpy Old Prop
But... Yeah. Yeah. yeah
01:10:44
jarrod_dyke
Ireland, Scotland to start us off with a big one.
01:10:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Go with the home team. I still think Crusaders pull it out.
01:10:49
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, I am too.
01:10:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Home team.
01:10:56
jarrod_dyke
This will be a better team too, unfortunately for them. So that's the bad news.
01:10:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:11:01
jarrod_dyke
Wales, Italy.
01:11:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
01:11:04
jarrod_dyke
I am too.
01:11:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Shocking home team.
01:11:06
jarrod_dyke
I am too. It'll be, i hope they respond better than what people think because they just have, I said a huge one against England and hopefully there's not that hangover. um i mean, even if there is just give it to Menoncello and let him do his thing, but you know,
01:11:16
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going Ireland.
01:11:20
Grumpy Old Prop
we've We've seen Scotland come off a big win and have have that little hangover and you know smell themselves a little bit. and Yeah. Yep.
01:11:31
jarrod_dyke
h
01:11:31
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going in Italy.
01:11:45
Grumpy Old Prop
But if it's
01:11:45
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Might start to feel like the wheels are going to
Italy's Potential Impact in Matches
01:11:48
jarrod_dyke
come off a little bit.
01:11:48
Grumpy Old Prop
like i I don't want to put it on the first 20 minutes because it could take longer than that.
01:11:50
jarrod_dyke
Okay. France, England.
01:11:52
Grumpy Old Prop
But um if Italy get out the get out the gates running and if they they score two and in the first 20 or even two scores, like even if it's 10 points, that's that's it.
01:11:55
jarrod_dyke
France, yeah. And a bonus, Boethor gets sacked. Okay.
01:12:07
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, that says a lot right there.
01:12:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Or even eight points, I think, would be enough to get Wales being like, okay, here we
01:12:10
jarrod_dyke
It says a lot right there.
Closing Remarks and Upcoming Content
01:12:13
Grumpy Old Prop
go again.
01:12:13
jarrod_dyke
ah All right, that's that. We did it, guys. We're back.
01:12:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:12:17
jarrod_dyke
um We made it. We do appreciate you guys that for listening to us and letting us babble to you for a little bit.
01:12:22
Grumpy Old Prop
France.
01:12:24
jarrod_dyke
Keep your eyes peeled for Sheetz coming out this week, starting with Thursday's Super Rugby, and then obviously we'll
01:12:30
Grumpy Old Prop
I think if that's going to have to happen when even ben Young's is like, yeah, he's got to go.
01:12:31
jarrod_dyke
release the, um, the six nations one on Saturday. Plus don't forget Patreon, um, analytics will come out for six stations this week.
01:12:35
Grumpy Old Prop
i mean, I know I've seen that. It does. It says a lot.
01:12:39
jarrod_dyke
And then we're going to start to cook up the super rugby ones, um, sometime in the next week or two here. So we can get you guys those as well.
01:12:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yay.
01:12:47
jarrod_dyke
And then, and then, and and then don't forget, we're back to the premiership soon. So we're back to that. So everybody enjoy your super Saturday.
01:12:58
jarrod_dyke
Um, Kick back. Have fun. Don't be do so too stupid. And we'll catch you guys real soon.
01:13:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Hopefully
01:13:04
jarrod_dyke
Have a good one. Thanks for listening, guys. Cheers.
01:13:12
Grumpy Old Prop
I can get that this week, yeah. Although, but yeah, might not be ready for Friday. Whee!
01:13:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.