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Season 8- Episode 4- Rugby Therapy (Prem Round 5)
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We return after a brief hiatus! On this episode with those American rugby fools, it's time for some real gripes, so either plug your ears or skip ahead. We get into everything from what's being valued incorrectly and what the answers for rugby growth are (spoiler alert, it's not R:360). Yes, we tuck into round 5 of the Prem a bit too and get into superlatives for the week. Kick back and enjoy friends, this one is pretty juicy.
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction
00:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Hey you everybody, welcome back. It is the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:35
Jarrod Dyke
Welcome back. It's been a minute since we've gotten into one of these, but we're here and we're ready to go. We got, despite, yeah, we got a lot to talk about, so let's crap.
00:00:43
Grumpy Old Prop
But not fantasy to talk about tonight, which is weird.
00:00:45
Jarrod Dyke
No, which is yeah, part of my, part of the talking, but not.
00:00:46
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
00:00:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Sad. Also, also. Another reason why we're drinking tonight. Because not because there's no fantasy, but. Because of the reasons behind why there's no fantasy.
00:01:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No kidding. Um,
Listener Engagement
00:01:05
Jarrod Dyke
yeah. Make sure you download, download us on your favorite podcast app, share, review, feedback. back Always welcome.
00:01:13
Jarrod Dyke
Um, make sure that you get our, yeah.
00:01:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Especially positive feedback, please.
00:01:17
Jarrod Dyke
If we can, if we can keep it that way, at least, um, make sure that you give our good, george good friend, George, the fancy or every geek, a coffee or beer, Yeah.
00:01:27
Jarrod Dyke
Busy man. Usually, although he's like us now with our they're sitting on our hands doing nothing.
00:01:31
Grumpy Old Prop
he's the Thumbs up bums. yeah
00:01:34
Jarrod Dyke
Exactly. Exactly.
00:01:38
Grumpy Old Prop
what do we What do we do, guys?
00:01:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No kidding. Um, but yes, the man's been busy, so he deserves your coffee slash beer. So make sure that you buy, buy him one.
00:01:49
Jarrod Dyke
There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should they be in sports or in life.
Societal Issues: SNAP Benefits and Economic Concerns
00:01:54
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, Positive, negative, spoiled choice on both, I think, but no.
00:01:59
Grumpy Old Prop
I got nothing today. I'm just, I'm tapped out. There's too much shit going on in the, in, in, in the same stuff as always.
00:02:03
Jarrod Dyke
I'm with you on that one. There's so much shit going on.
00:02:06
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just like, it's getting worse.
00:02:06
Jarrod Dyke
It is.
00:02:09
Grumpy Old Prop
And, um, it's, um, like the thing is, um, so growing, growing up in, I think I've mentioned it before in the environment, which I did where we were kind of trained to, to take over the world and and lead it.
00:02:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, you know, the one thing they they, you know, people talk about bread and circuses, but there's, and that's no joke as a good way to, to be a benevolent dictator or benevolent, like authoritarian, um, overlord.
00:02:39
Jarrod Dyke
o
00:02:41
Grumpy Old Prop
But, uh, people are going to lose snap benefits in like four days in the U S.
00:02:46
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:02:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and for those who don't know, we're outside the U S that's basically like, um, it's a little debit card that people get when they're on, um, on welfare or, or some other,
00:03:00
Grumpy Old Prop
um state help that and that helps them buy food for their family.
00:03:01
Jarrod Dyke
Some sort of assistance. Mm
00:03:04
Grumpy Old Prop
um And it's not just for people who out of work, like people who work at Walmart and other big corporations who aren't paid well enough to live also use that too.
00:03:14
Jarrod Dyke
hmm.
00:03:15
Grumpy Old Prop
So they have their job, but then they get snapped because, you know, you can't just pay these people to work. There's gonna be a lot of people that are going to be impacted and people are already angry.
00:03:21
Jarrod Dyke
God forbid.
00:03:27
Grumpy Old Prop
and and And like incredibly frustrated what's with what's going on in this country.
00:03:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:03:32
Grumpy Old Prop
And you make them hungry.
00:03:36
Jarrod Dyke
going to worse.
00:03:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, this is not. the Yeah. um So. Interesting times ahead.
00:03:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:03:46
Grumpy Old Prop
that's that's That's my no discrimination.
00:03:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:03:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Just be nice to to people.
00:03:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:03:50
Grumpy Old Prop
um And if you see anybody shoplift, no, the fuck you did not.
00:03:54
Jarrod Dyke
but No kidding, right? Yeah. No, no, no.
00:04:01
Jarrod Dyke
If you're going shoplift, shoplift from Walmart. Don't shoplift from, you know, the corner store.
00:04:05
Grumpy Old Prop
No, no. any Anything that's that's a chain, that's I think is fair game at this point. um like i think the the couple couple years ago, I was in a CVS and like I walked down an aisle and someone kind of gave me a look as they were like had their hand in inside their jacket.
00:04:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, agreed.
00:04:22
Grumpy Old Prop
I just turned around and walked to the next aisle. I'm like, I didn't see shit. i don't none um What you're doing in here in this aisle is none of my business.
00:04:27
Jarrod Dyke
No idea what talking about. Yeah,
00:04:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going to go over there.
00:04:31
Jarrod Dyke
whatever's happening here, it's not my business.
00:04:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
Rugby Broadcasting and Accessibility
00:04:34
Grumpy Old Prop
That's none of my business. They, they, yeah, you want, you want people to not steal from you, you pay, pay them to live. So.
00:04:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's kind of the end there. um
00:04:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:04:48
Jarrod Dyke
you can't You can get it on our Patreon because by the time this international window is over, we will have everything ready rare to go
00:04:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Scores in, oh, o yes. That is happening.
00:04:58
Jarrod Dyke
Scores will be all updated. ah You know, 99% chance that we can have our first sheet out by the time we're looking at round six here. So that'll be the good news.
00:05:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'll have it well in advance of that. I'll make sure by, and certainly before our Thanksgiving, which week, isn't that?
00:05:16
Jarrod Dyke
It's the last week.
00:05:16
Grumpy Old Prop
That might be the week before the prim. Okay, so the week before that, basically by my anniversary.
00:05:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. It's the last.
00:05:22
Grumpy Old Prop
I need to get that done.
00:05:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah. You should probably get it done before that. I'm just going to throw that out there.
00:05:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I want to give i want and want to give people a week to to get their turned over rosters settled.
00:05:26
Jarrod Dyke
I know it's an idea.
00:05:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Because we'll see. you We'll see what the internationals does to all the shit.
00:05:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:05:41
Grumpy Old Prop
But at least we're going to see some good international rugby.
00:05:41
Jarrod Dyke
All right.
00:05:45
Jarrod Dyke
I'm so,
00:05:49
Jarrod Dyke
yeah, I mean, so this this is, this will be the first part about it. So I can bet you this is going to last about 20 minutes then.
00:05:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:05:55
Jarrod Dyke
So if you want to just forward, fast forward about 20 minutes from now, so around 25 or so, hopefully we're done by then. And if you miss something, then you rewind. But yeah, I, Ben and I were talking about before we get on, like I am,
00:06:10
Jarrod Dyke
falling out of love with rugby because rugby can't get the fuck out of its own way. And it's just, there's so, and there's so many ways we can go with this direction. Like, but the, and the most recent stuff that's happened to us in particular has just been, know, so we, were you able to watch any, I don't know how Julia watched any PWR, but we were were not able to watch PWR over here this week.
00:06:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it's on. Is it on? Is that still on um the rugby network?
00:06:38
Jarrod Dyke
Nope. I checked.
00:06:39
Grumpy Old Prop
OK, I didn't even check because I had I had other things going on. um
00:06:42
Jarrod Dyke
I did too, but yeah, I checked this morning when i before I went to work.
00:06:44
Grumpy Old Prop
But I just that was one thing I just didn't check. OK.
00:06:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, so I mean, I assume some of the YouTube stuff we can watch, but...
00:06:51
Grumpy Old Prop
It must have been must have been a feed or something that she, you know, we're going back to slideshow rugby.
00:06:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, possibly. Which is not awesome.
00:07:00
Jarrod Dyke
i'm Like, that's...
00:07:00
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's like what you just had the best women's world cup of all time by far.
00:07:09
Jarrod Dyke
Ever. Yes, ever.
00:07:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And you, you're, you're going to follow that up with, you can't watch our product. Like, i think that's ultimately, and I think this kind of boils down to, to one simple thing that rugby is going through
00:07:19
Jarrod Dyke
No kidding, right? Right, that's pretty much is.
Rugby as a Business: Profit vs. Sport Integrity
00:07:28
Grumpy Old Prop
right now.
00:07:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's, you're not a fan, you're a customer. And they're just like, fuck you, pay us. And you don't get anything from it. It's like, yeah, you paid us. You can watch you can watch some.
00:07:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, have fun.
00:07:41
Jarrod Dyke
right that's pretty much
00:07:41
Grumpy Old Prop
And, like,
00:07:46
Grumpy Old Prop
like, I just want to watch some good rugby. And, like, it's helpful that the Prem's been good, but, yeah, if we can't watch PWR, if, like, and even some of the Prem is just shit because there's, well, there's plenty of things, plenty reasons why that is.
00:08:01
Grumpy Old Prop
But it just comes down to it. But even you watch Prem, I'm watching a great match between Saris and Saints. And right in the middle of like a line break, they're like, here's an ad.
00:08:13
Grumpy Old Prop
And not only one ad, but five ads all in a row.
00:08:13
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, I know. Fucking flow rugby. Fucking flow rugby. Like, proud like, and again, there's so many ways we can go with this.
00:08:25
Jarrod Dyke
um And just, you know, for me, it's, it's the presentation of it in terms of how, you know, of how it's broadcast, especially here in the U S but I know we're not the only ones that are suffering like that as well.
00:08:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:37
Jarrod Dyke
So that should, that should be like,
00:08:37
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:08:39
Jarrod Dyke
Paramount, yet somehow it's still not been resolved. So that should kind of be a lot. That's an alarm, number one.
00:08:45
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah, why why that's not like ah the biggest alarm on everyone's, you know, on everyone's radar, I don't know. But two, you have people that are in charge that are extremely short-sighted right now.
00:08:46
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:09:02
Grumpy Old Prop
They are.
00:09:02
Jarrod Dyke
Like, i well, the rugby may not survive. Okay, well, number one, All these actually just are gonna have to stop taking as much money as they yeah are. That's just the...
00:09:14
Jarrod Dyke
Some idiot wrote about that a little while ago.
00:09:15
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's the problem.
00:09:15
Jarrod Dyke
I don't remember who it was.
00:09:16
Grumpy Old Prop
They're running it literally. They're running it like a business. And they're like, well, we get the money because which are and it's like, well.
00:09:22
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, well, do you want your club to fucking fold?
00:09:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:09:23
Jarrod Dyke
Because you're gonna have no job if that happens.
00:09:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Right. Like, how good a job are you doing if your club has to fold?
00:09:30
Jarrod Dyke
Right. And... You have opportunities all over to make revenue to increase engagement and none of it's being taken advantage of for the most part.
00:09:46
Jarrod Dyke
Like it's, it's almost like you just want, you know, you just expect it to happen by wishing and and hoping. And, you know, there's no, there's no exposure greater than, know, especially, I mean, over here, like they totally fucked themselves with getting flow as their provider because,
00:09:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:09:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:10:07
Jarrod Dyke
Unless you have the product, nobody's going to watch. Like, you can't you literally cannot put any games on TV if you wanted to right now.
00:10:11
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:10:19
Jarrod Dyke
Like, even cable TV if you wanted to because Flow has no access to that shit.
00:10:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like qui when Peacock had it, they started doing games late once once college football was over. And they'd throw...
00:10:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they threw it they throw it on either NBC, like, online for free or they throw it on...
00:10:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Or CNBC or... Yeah.
00:10:35
Jarrod Dyke
or they throw it on NBC sports like, or when it, when that existed, but USA after what, after that,
00:10:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. It's like they would give it some exposure. And there's there's there's an effort there, but it just doesn't seem like... the the powers that be in rugby want that to happen for some reason. And maybe they don't like that. It's not the perfect deal, but it's like, dude, that's how you grow a product. Like
00:11:01
Grumpy Old Prop
it doesn't just happen. You can't just say, Oh, well we're, you know, we're doing everything right. and And it's not happening because you know, it just hasn't happened yet. It's like, no, you have to do what works. you have to get eyes on it. And, the second thing that I've been harping on for fucking years, that that's, that's another reason that Jared's upset right now.
00:11:17
Grumpy Old Prop
And not that I'm not, I'm just, you know, this this, this is coming from, from, from you mostly, but because, right.
00:11:21
Jarrod Dyke
i'm I'm one stage ahead of Ben, let's be honest. Okay.
00:11:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause my, my team season just ended. We'll get to that in a second. um But we like you want the, what stats I'll just you throw that out there. Stats. We've been talking about it for fucking years.
00:11:39
Grumpy Old Prop
And, Just to make it inaccessible. So like we, you know, and and as as if you're listening to this pod, you definitely know that Jared and I have been running a PWR fantasy league because no, like there's no other way to do it. So we want to do it. So we've opened it up to people.
00:11:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, maybe we don't have like hundreds and hundreds of people, but i mean, our podcast reach is fairly small anyway, but that's fine. Like we still got people from outside. We still had a good core of of of a couple you know dozen or so. And that's just that's just us not really promoting it. PWR every so often threw a couple tweets our way, which was kind of cool.
00:12:14
Grumpy Old Prop
But this year, they're basically putting the stats behind a paywall that you have to basically pay for the entire, like, don't know, some ridiculous cost. and it's like, well, we're not going to bear that expense.
00:12:21
Jarrod Dyke
it's a silly cost yeah
00:12:24
Grumpy Old Prop
and But also, why are you putting your stats behind? Why are you doing it this way? Like, why?
00:12:32
Grumpy Old Prop
It doesn't make sense that like I can stats tell stories. They're not perfect. They're definitely not perfect, but like they help you tell a story.
00:12:40
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:12:43
Grumpy Old Prop
And if you don't see the game, you can look at the box score like um there's there's ways to kind of see stuff that happen. And rugby is different from other sports in that. Like, yeah, you can't really get a good feel from it just from from that.
00:12:59
Grumpy Old Prop
But You know, let's say like Will Evans having one of the best seasons he's ever had so far. I know it's it's still new, but but how do I quantify that?
00:13:12
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:13:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I know he made 20, what, 28 tackles this past week, but I don't think that was all he did. But I only knew that because they threw that stat up on the screen.
00:13:18
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:13:21
Jarrod Dyke
bit and Yeah.
00:13:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, that's... There's...
00:13:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I want to be able to tell people, I know you like Tom Curry, but dude can't run in its hat it can't can't run with the ball. But I can't tell them that. I can't quantify that because those stats are basically hidden.
00:13:39
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Yeah, we don't know. what that adds up to and it's yeah and just to you know and to just
00:13:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:13:48
Grumpy Old Prop
But then PWR, too. Grow the fucking league. Do what you got to do. don't know.
00:13:55
Jarrod Dyke
right and it's not it's yeah and know we were talking about obviously we couldn't we we don't know how we're watching it this year over here which is sad because they they've obviously followed whatever was going on over here which is terrible and
00:14:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:14:10
Jarrod Dyke
yeah. And then just like the whole, it took them forever to get back to us, by the way, let me just throw that out there.
00:14:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:14:15
Jarrod Dyke
Um, simple, it's just a simple ask. And, know, like, and they, they almost were ignorant of the fact that, cause our, our, our good friend George pointed out to them, like, yeah, you guys have actually peddled these, this game before.
00:14:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. oh
00:14:33
Jarrod Dyke
So, you know, this is not a foreign thing.
00:14:33
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:14:37
Jarrod Dyke
So, why you guys are all of a sudden become just playing stupid and going, oh, we didn't do that. It's like, no, you you did because it's out there. George saved the receipts.
00:14:48
Jarrod Dyke
Like, it's not, it's,
00:14:48
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah what a guy too like that's that's something else
00:14:54
Jarrod Dyke
yeah, yeah, you know, and it's, and that some then there's this whole, there's the whole thing of what's being rewarded in this sport these days. And of late, it's,
00:15:08
Jarrod Dyke
Helmetedness and shithousery.
00:15:11
Grumpy Old Prop
It really is.
00:15:11
Jarrod Dyke
That's it.
00:15:13
Jarrod Dyke
yeah When people like Tom Curry and Ethan Roots are thought of as these like ah great great players for their teams, I'm sorry. This sport has totally gone the wrong way.
00:15:13
Grumpy Old Prop
really is.
00:15:22
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:15:23
Jarrod Dyke
And that's not that shit is not going to get you new eyeballs on the on on the sport.
00:15:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:29
Jarrod Dyke
And if without that, yes, we will die. Plain and simple. We will die.
00:15:33
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:15:34
Jarrod Dyke
If these are the people and the type of coaching that we're putting up there, to say this is good stuff, then yes, the sport will die a slow, painful death.
00:15:45
Jarrod Dyke
And we can talk about, we'll talk about our 360 in a second, but like,
00:15:45
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, it ah won't, though, because i it'll it'll become mostly a women, like, as far as at least professionally, it'll be dominated by the by the women's game.
00:15:56
Jarrod Dyke
that's fine. I, yeah, that'll be the second banana for sure.
00:15:56
Grumpy Old Prop
And the men will be there, too.
00:15:57
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm fine with that, too. i don't give a shit.
00:16:01
Grumpy Old Prop
But it's like, why would you do that to yourselves? Why wouldn't you be like, you know, and you even see it in some in our group's chats, too. And it's it's like, people get jaded and bitter about, oh, who's the new Wonderboy? And it's like,
00:16:15
Grumpy Old Prop
you've got great talent. Let's watch that. Like, why don't you celebrate that? Like it's, it's, it's almost like, um and and I get that they're, they're kind of tired of it, but it's like, you know, Marcus Smith was given a whole raft of shit every time he touched the ball because he was the wonder boy.
00:16:20
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:16:30
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, why do you have this negative? act Why can't you just be like, Oh, cool. Let's watch Marcus Smith do something awesome. Why can't we watch Henry Pollack do something cool and not be like,
00:16:41
Jarrod Dyke
right
00:16:43
Grumpy Old Prop
shitty about it why do you have to be poopy about it and and and it's ah it's almost like you're you're mourning the game itself like oh that's just having too much fun that's that's a problem and right and so it's like yeah you go back to like ethan roots and tom curry oh they're just really good hard-nosed old school players like that's not okay i mean that's okay but well they they keep getting them like both of them are going to be like dead by the 56th
00:16:52
Jarrod Dyke
God forbid we have some fucking fun doing this thing, would you? Jesus.
00:17:04
Jarrod Dyke
both ah Both of them need fucking 2x4 to the face. Like...
00:17:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I know.
00:17:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I'm sorry. i fucking hate... But, like, we see you see... it it also pisses me off because... Like, it it makes me angry to see um what's happened but what happened to Ed Slater.
00:17:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And Dottie.
00:17:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, right.
00:17:31
Jarrod Dyke
And and now Lewis Moody is about to head that way too. Mm-hmm.
00:17:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And...
00:17:35
Grumpy Old Prop
And, like, so you want to... That's the... Like, you should be setting that... the the the The type of behavior that leads to that as an example of this is how you play the sport.
00:17:45
Jarrod Dyke
don't
00:17:47
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not it's not good for people.
00:17:50
Jarrod Dyke
know.
00:17:51
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's not good. It's not fun to watch. I'm sorry. But like I would not pay to watch Tom Curry play rugby. I would not pay to watch Ethan Roods play rugby. There's just no point.
00:18:00
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:18:02
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:18:02
Jarrod Dyke
Shit housing and tackling, big deal.
00:18:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like cool. You know like.
00:18:09
Grumpy Old Prop
there's so much more to the game and, um, and yeah, that's, that's been a problem. and You know, you also, the, it doesn't help with the announcers, like so the comms, you have Austin Healy who just hates everything about the goddamn sport, everything that's, that makes, that's fun.
00:18:20
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:18:25
Jarrod Dyke
Total helmet.
00:18:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and like takes, had what he, the fun that he does have is usually at someone else's expense, which is like,
00:18:27
Jarrod Dyke
Total helmet.
00:18:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Also, you know, yeah, part of the sport, but also not really.
00:18:39
Jarrod Dyke
course is. Mm-hmm.
00:18:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, it's just, just you know, it's just bitching and moaning and disrespect, and it's just annoying. And so all that to say that, so I'm i'm seeing my into my future here, into my grump future, because my my team just finished a fantastic season
00:18:49
Jarrod Dyke
torsia
Celebrating Amateur Rugby Success
00:18:59
Grumpy Old Prop
for us.
00:18:59
Grumpy Old Prop
We're getting so much better. um Had, well let me see, what was it? We had... three bonus point try games and two bonus point loss games which like and those teams i think by the like we should have beaten one um we were stupid ah to end it we didn't do a good job but we were never in the fucking position to just run like a two minute attack of grind it grind it down then kick it to touch we haven't practiced that because we haven't been in a position where it's mattered yet um
00:19:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah,
00:19:30
Jarrod Dyke
yeah have been I understand that but that right there.
00:19:36
Grumpy Old Prop
But they learned pretty damn quick. And, um, but then, then, then the other bonus point loss was our first game of the season, which I think we would beat that team. Now, if we played them, um, you're all boys.
00:19:49
Grumpy Old Prop
And so there's just a lot to be like excited about.
00:19:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:19:52
Grumpy Old Prop
We gained it a lot of influx of talent. Like this was, this was, this was my like shield against the darkness of rugby that, that is the professional and international men's game.
00:19:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:20:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:20:05
Grumpy Old Prop
And so it's like, that's cool. But now I'm um now, I mean, we still might have some practices and whatnot, but I'm still now I'm like, all right, fuck, I got to watch this shit.
00:20:08
Jarrod Dyke
Now you're stuck.
00:20:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, no. Well, I'll tell you this much. I have, i I worked most last week, last weekend. So I missed quite a bit of the rugby.
00:20:23
Jarrod Dyke
I have house projects that I need to do this weekend.
00:20:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, me too. he
00:20:26
Jarrod Dyke
I think I'd rather do those than watch most of international rugby that's on tap.
00:20:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I just, like it's like, I think
00:20:31
Jarrod Dyke
And that sounds like hyperbole, but I'm not kidding.
00:20:34
Grumpy Old Prop
No, because you've I think was it... um I can't remember where I saw it. and I think it was you talking about... It's just like... and For me, like... George Ford's not a test rugby... but I mean, the problem is George Ford is a test rugby player. And that's... The test rugby fucking sucks.
00:20:53
Grumpy Old Prop
I think I'm just done with it.
00:20:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:20:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Because it's all about like, let's play conservative. Who does the best like little things right? And it's like, you know...
00:21:05
Grumpy Old Prop
there's There's too much fear and too much um
00:21:08
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:21:09
Grumpy Old Prop
kind conservatism around around it.
00:21:10
Jarrod Dyke
Scared to lose.
00:21:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's just, yeah, you're're you're playing to not lose. You're not playing to win. And, you know, that's why I like watching some teams. Like, i love watching Australia because they play to win. you if you you know You're not just going to tick over the scoreboard against them and expect that to to ah function. Yeah.
00:21:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I just, all the penalties, like, what are you doing?
00:21:33
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:21:36
Grumpy Old Prop
and And, yeah, Ford playing at 10, like, you have Finn, you've got
Rugby Selection and Financial Challenges
00:21:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Marcus. Marcus, what what more could Marcus do right now, to be honest?
00:21:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, he has been ridiculous since coming back from the Lions. And, you're going to have Ford out there who's, sorry, not impressive.
00:22:00
Jarrod Dyke
no No, and...
00:22:02
Grumpy Old Prop
and and he's a name, i I'll give you that. But like, if his name wasn't George Ford, if it was, if it was like, yeah, right.
00:22:11
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, so... What happened? What happened? ah Sorry, dozed off.
00:22:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Like if, if his name was Brett Connan, would, would he be the, the, the 10 for England this year? Like, and that's, I'm not saying that that's like, you know, Brett Connan should be, but,
00:22:24
Jarrod Dyke
Probably not. Well, um part of the part of the issue is... Right. Well, part of the issue is... is the coaching with ah someone like Steve Borthwick, someone like Rob Baxter, and there's a litany of other names I can throw out there. i
00:22:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Hey, they're in third place right now, the Chiefs, maybe show some respect.
00:22:47
Jarrod Dyke
They've played nobody. i'm not I'm not really giving a shit about that.
00:22:48
Grumpy Old Prop
They played nobody. Yeah, I know. I know. I'm just i'm just talking around.
00:22:51
Jarrod Dyke
They've played nobody. The one team they played that played that was that's decent, they they lost to. Yeah,
00:22:59
Jarrod Dyke
yeah I just...
00:23:02
Jarrod Dyke
there's so much that's being propped up about rugby that's going to kill it and in the men's game, especially. And if you are someone that's going to sit here and say, mimm you need that stuff.
00:23:18
Jarrod Dyke
Fuck you.
00:23:19
Jarrod Dyke
Honestly, fuck you. You're killing the game.
00:23:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, no, I don't.
00:23:21
Grumpy Old Prop
We don't.
00:23:22
Jarrod Dyke
You don't, you don't.
00:23:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:23:24
Jarrod Dyke
All right. You might need it at club level. Okay. it sort You know, especially whale shit club glove level, but like,
00:23:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:23:31
Jarrod Dyke
You don't need it at high end stuff, you know, and in the thing that annoys me is there are coaches out there at a lower level that are trying to teach really fun stuff. And I pride myself on that. I know Ben does. I know other people do as well.
00:23:46
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, um our our colleague Eric, he's doing the same thing. He's trying to teach some fun rugby to just, you know, but get more involvement in the game.
00:23:58
Jarrod Dyke
And then we put this horse shit on TV. And I mean that with as much disdain as I possibly can put out there.
00:24:01
Grumpy Old Prop
the Yeah.
00:24:05
Jarrod Dyke
Like this horse shit on TV. And the kids are just like are way more interested in doing anything else but watching a professional comma slash high end men's rugby game right now.
00:24:19
Jarrod Dyke
Anything else.
00:24:20
Grumpy Old Prop
But like, even though there's the, I will say this about the English game anyway, is that every week there's at least like, it seems like there's at least three games that are like fantastic rugby.
00:24:37
Grumpy Old Prop
um Like, was it? ah
00:24:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and they usually involve teams that are trying to play with the ball.
00:24:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. So like the Saints are involved in it. Bath, Bristol, Quinn, Saris. Like, you see... you see so And actually, even Leicester's doing a pretty damn good job of it when they need to.
00:24:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, i like what Jeff Piling is doing with them.
00:24:57
Grumpy Old Prop
um They're growing. But then, you know, if you see something right now, Gloucester, because they don't really have a 10, and they're their back line is...
00:25:05
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Yeah, Ross Byrne is not the answer there.
00:25:08
Grumpy Old Prop
No. um It's not working out. um But, like, you know, they've tried, and they might get it right as the season goes on. We'll see. But, like...
00:25:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, here's what pisses me off about Newcastle. You can tell me all day that they don't have the funds, blah, blah, you know, all that shit. um But at the same time, Exeter, if you look, you know, player for player, Exeter and Newcastle, there I would say they're about even overall.
00:25:43
Jarrod Dyke
With people like Icky and um and Hooper and and Ross Vincent being probably the exception.
00:25:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Right. um Although vincent Vincent, I'm still not sold on on Vincent.
00:25:53
Jarrod Dyke
Faye O'Boso.
00:25:56
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, but but like Newcastle has some players on their own right too, or at least they they have. um But like yeah their packs are generally equivalent. Their half-backs, same.
00:26:11
Grumpy Old Prop
I'd actually give the the edge to Newcastle at 10. But then like, they they each have some semi-talented centers and and outside backs, but like one of them produces better. The other one just is shit.
00:26:23
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, well, what kind of coaching have they had?
00:26:23
Jarrod Dyke
They 12 points for a reason.
00:26:25
Grumpy Old Prop
What are they doing to get them to actually play rugby? Cause like that coaching is not their sale. like I can hear all, you know, and hear all day. Oh, they're, they're dangerous. They're, they're, they're, they're tough. They're not playing better than the sum of their parts. I'm playing as good as the sum of their parts. They're not that.
00:26:42
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know. They're the meat to me. They're just not, not doing it. Um,
00:26:46
Jarrod Dyke
they have twelve points for a reason
00:26:49
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:26:51
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:26:54
Grumpy Old Prop
And so, you know, Quinns are still bullet behind it, but then again, Quinns played a lot with Jared Evans without Marcus Smith. They've been excellent with Marcus Smith back. um That game at Exeter, notwithstanding, that was, i don't know what the fuck.
00:27:07
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, that, yeah, that rain-soaked game being an outlier, in my opinion.
00:27:09
Grumpy Old Prop
That was just a, yeah, throw the tape away. Yeah. um But that's also, you know, you go to Sandy Park. Yeah, i expect a loss. Doesn't matter who you are. um If you win, you've done done your job.
00:27:21
Jarrod Dyke
You've done a lot, yeah.
00:27:22
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:27:23
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed.
00:27:25
Grumpy Old Prop
But like there's the point being, there's a lot of good rugby to be played. um or that that's going on. And we should be highlighting that.
00:27:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, but why highlight that when you can prop up someone like Tom Curry?
00:27:35
Grumpy Old Prop
And England...
00:27:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And then an Englander just, although I do, I i like 90% the roster. There's a lot to like about it. um
00:27:50
Jarrod Dyke
For this weekend, you mean?
00:27:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:53
Jarrod Dyke
I hate the 6-2 split, so that immediately made me soft.
00:27:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, well, there's that too. Yeah. That's got to.
00:27:57
Jarrod Dyke
Because that hasn't gone sideways at all this year on anyone yet, has it? well Oh, wait, wait.
00:28:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:28:03
Jarrod Dyke
Wait, what's the opposite of that? Oh, it's gone sideways on people a lot. That's what it is.
00:28:09
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah um yeah and right especially because what you're bringing a bring on curry for like again who's he gonna wait where is it there it is they did it backwards again fuck like it's just weird to have like well first off i think because they know sam underhill is going to come off injured because that's what he's that's what he always does so i think it's like that's just the the replacement there but
00:28:10
Jarrod Dyke
you know, keep doing six-two splits. that's that's That's a great idea. Fucking idiots.
00:28:34
Jarrod Dyke
If he doesn't, they're going to freaking, they're going to put Curry on for Pepper. Or even worse, Earl.
00:28:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Probably, which is such a step down. A massive step down.
00:28:42
Jarrod Dyke
Even worse, they'll put him on for Earl, which will be way worse.
00:28:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right. And Pollock will come on for Underhill no matter what or something.
00:28:50
Jarrod Dyke
Likely, um...
00:28:52
Grumpy Old Prop
But, like...
00:28:57
Grumpy Old Prop
And then it's it's, yeah, it's... I don't like, I don't mind the the back that back line. um
00:29:04
Grumpy Old Prop
So much, again, outside Ford. um Who is just a massive misfit in all of that. Like, you're going like, it's, big like, Ford is going to play with Freddie Stewart. And fuck Manny, fuck Roebuck.
00:29:18
Grumpy Old Prop
And Freeman and Dingwall might not touch the ball at all, which is going to be this disgusting. um
00:29:26
Grumpy Old Prop
It'll just be, you know, highballs all day to Freddie. And it's like, can we, what are you learning from George Ford being there? Like, what's gained there? Is he going to be your fly half at the World Cup? No.
00:29:39
Jarrod Dyke
I hope not. Jesus. They ain't winning if that's the case.
00:29:42
Grumpy Old Prop
At 34? ah thirty four Yeah, exactly. I know you're not winning. Because if he was going to win it, he'd want it by now. And and he's just, he's not as, he's also not as good as he used to. It's like, we're not even at peak George Ford anymore. We're at, we're at over the hill George Ford right now.
00:29:55
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:29:55
Grumpy Old Prop
On the downside, George Ford.
00:29:56
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed.
00:29:57
Grumpy Old Prop
He's getting, know.
00:29:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:30:01
Jarrod Dyke
No, it's just, there's, there's not enough forward thinking in rugby in general.
00:30:02
Grumpy Old Prop
What's the point?
00:30:07
Jarrod Dyke
You know, again, we're, we're talking about assholes and idiots that want, that want to just shithouse in on the field. We're talking about assholes and idiots that are only worried about what's going into their pocket, their pockets personally, not the club's pockets, even their pockets personally.
00:30:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right.
00:30:23
Jarrod Dyke
And that's it. And if, you're telling me that you they need every red scent that's going in there, then maybe the game is in a way worse shape than it than it is. In which case, we need to just honestly hit the whole thing with a sledgehammer and break it and reset.
00:30:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:30:37
Jarrod Dyke
And i i i want to get to this, but R360 is not the answer, guys.
00:30:43
Grumpy Old Prop
No, we, and everybody knows it.
00:30:44
Jarrod Dyke
It's not. And I'm all for breaking things and fucking things up. That ain't the answer, though. be Not with that money. Not with that type of money.
00:30:50
Jarrod Dyke
Get the fuck out of here. I want nothing to do with that. where i I found it so gross that they were sports-washing everything else. I'm not having this.
00:30:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Nope.
00:30:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:30:59
Jarrod Dyke
I'm not having this.
00:31:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:31:00
Jarrod Dyke
I'm sorry.
00:31:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, it's, but we know it's not going to work.
00:31:01
Jarrod Dyke
Get the fuck out of here. And I don't care if it's... I don't care if I'm probably being, you know, hypocritical in some fashion. Fuck off. It's not a good idea.
00:31:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:31:11
Jarrod Dyke
Plain and simple. And listen, i will I will happily upset most of the unions. This is not the answer, though. This is not the answer.
00:31:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:31:20
Jarrod Dyke
Plain and simple. You know, I'm sorry. There's the one... There's one thing that was pointed out to ah to everyone on a podcast that I listen to that's kind of about that's out there.
00:31:31
Jarrod Dyke
Where are they going to get the officials from?
00:31:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:31:37
Jarrod Dyke
you need You need officials.
00:31:37
Grumpy Old Prop
That's good question.
00:31:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, but they're also not going to practice.
00:31:40
Jarrod Dyke
You need officials, you need...
00:31:42
Grumpy Old Prop
They're going fly guys in just to play.
00:31:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and that's how guys walk away with injuries right there.
00:31:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Like you, Yeah. ah this The whole thing is not thought out. i It's not even poorly thought out. It's just not thought out at all.
00:31:54
Jarrod Dyke
see what was the what was the week that things went really shambolic when the NFL played during COVID week two when every person got hurt and just went super tits up i was like yeah no that's that's pretty much exactly what it was and yeah just you don't have officials you don't have TMOs you don't have touch you don't have touchies like you
00:32:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Something like that. And it was just... Yeah.
00:32:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:32:20
Jarrod Dyke
It's going to be basically televised club rugby. Like, I'm talking like Welsh club rugby.
00:32:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:32:26
Jarrod Dyke
That's it's going to be.
00:32:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:32:27
Jarrod Dyke
Like, okay, have fun with that. And also, um try not to die in the desert. and Enjoy.
00:32:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, they're going to play in the different...
00:32:34
Jarrod Dyke
And...
00:32:35
Grumpy Old Prop
No, that's the thing. They're going play in the different... They're not going play in Saudi, i don't think. They're gonna play... like there's If there's a ah New York-based team they're going to play in New York.
00:32:42
Jarrod Dyke
I think...
00:32:44
Jarrod Dyke
No, I think they're going to hop ah hop it around like it's World Series of Sevens.
00:32:44
Grumpy Old Prop
They're going fly...
00:32:45
Grumpy Old Prop
What the...
00:32:50
Grumpy Old Prop
oh
00:32:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and one of the weekends is supposed to be in Saudi Arabia, I think.
00:32:52
Grumpy Old Prop
but
00:32:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, I had that mistake. Okay. Well, ew. So it's almost like the Savannah Bananas.
00:33:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and also, how are you i have a question.
00:33:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Except they're awesome. and
00:33:10
Jarrod Dyke
how are you gonna like How can you be okay with that type of money and then say that you want women's game to progress?
00:33:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:20
Jarrod Dyke
Because they don't. I promise you that much.
00:33:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:33:24
Jarrod Dyke
They still see women as objects. You know? So, you can't be for the women's game to regress if you're thinking that type of that money coming from that type of thing is okay.
00:33:36
Grumpy Old Prop
But, yeah. Right.
00:33:38
Jarrod Dyke
Like, there's there's no way around it. I'm sorry.
Ethical Issues in Rugby
00:33:41
Jarrod Dyke
And also, you can't be okay with someone being, you know, not straight and being okay with that. because you die in those countries for that.
00:33:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:33:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:53
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah. And then at that point, if we're doing this, we might as well just call ourselves FIFA, because that's what that is.
00:33:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:02
Jarrod Dyke
yeah And we want to were we're we're out here talking about rugby values. that's That's throwing them away, not propping up a guy like a Henry Pollock, a Noah Kalori,
00:34:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:16
Jarrod Dyke
You know, like, that's not that's not throwing away rugby values.
00:34:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:20
Jarrod Dyke
Propping shit like that up and assholes like fucking Rufus McLean and Sebu Reese, that is dismissing rugby values. That's where it needs to come into play.
00:34:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:31
Jarrod Dyke
Not... I'm sorry, yeah, Henry Pollock's having fun out there. It's a fucking game, guys. Like, ah you ah you know how many people remember Henry Pollock for that?
00:34:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Good.
00:34:40
Jarrod Dyke
All of them. Because...
00:34:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:42
Jarrod Dyke
He made his mark and fucked the kid's girl the world. you have a try. I'm sorry. Like, I would love to see some. Most other players and in this world do what he did as a back rower.
00:34:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:53
Jarrod Dyke
Like, get the fuck out of here. Like, and Noah Kalori has got air skills that you've not seen yet.
00:34:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:59
Jarrod Dyke
Like, he's he's earning his two.
00:35:01
Grumpy Old Prop
It's... It's scary. And he's also got strength. Like, there's there's so much to like about his game. So just enjoy it. Just sit down, have a beer, and enjoy it.
00:35:09
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:35:15
Jarrod Dyke
Please.
00:35:15
Grumpy Old Prop
But, like...
00:35:15
Jarrod Dyke
i would And I would love to see Faye also getting out there and doing doing something like that too because he's got talent out the ah out the wazoo too.
00:35:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. and
00:35:23
Jarrod Dyke
I'm sure Baxter's told him don't do anything that looks like fun. But, you know, God forbid.
00:35:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:35:31
Grumpy Old Prop
But that's that's what you got to do.
00:35:31
Jarrod Dyke
God forbid we have some fun with this.
00:35:33
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's that's also, again, what made the Women's World Cup that much better was they were having fun.
00:35:38
Jarrod Dyke
Because they were just having fun with the damn thing.
00:35:42
Jarrod Dyke
You know, and and um'm i I commend the women's players out there that are just like, we're not going to be the men's game and they're doing everything basically the exact opposite. And it's succeeding on top of that.
00:35:42
Grumpy Old Prop
And.
00:35:52
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:35:54
Jarrod Dyke
So it's like, you know, despite the fact that some of the leagues are fucking it up, but you know.
00:35:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I think that's
00:36:00
Grumpy Old Prop
so i think that's where where we are. so lets let's I think to getting to the end of the therapy session here that we both needed, and I'm going to start my second beer of the session.
00:36:06
Jarrod Dyke
hmm.
00:36:10
Grumpy Old Prop
um is Oh, shit. That's right. He's also got shaken up somehow.
00:36:17
Jarrod Dyke
attaboy stop chopping them
00:36:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Damn it. I keep forgetting. I didn't know. It's like every other one. i open it and it goes volcano on me.
00:36:26
Jarrod Dyke
so next one will be fine just remember that next will be fine
00:36:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, the first one was fine. Yeah, exactly. The first one was fine. Well, I forgot about it. It lulled me into a ah false sense of security. All right. But we just got done with the the Rugby World Cup. Your team had and excellent season.
00:36:42
Grumpy Old Prop
um You guys are looking great for next year too. it's ah you're You're really building something awesome. um And I'm excited to be a small part of it and help out when I can. My team, same thing.
00:36:53
Grumpy Old Prop
um Although I'm a much bigger part of that.
00:36:53
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Mm-hmm.
00:36:55
Grumpy Old Prop
um But that like from where they've been to where they're going, there's so much to love about it. and And it's also enjoyable to watch. And like you know you're always proud of the team you coach, but it's different when you're proud of the rugby they play too.
00:37:09
Grumpy Old Prop
And you can be like, man, these guys really do a good job. And it's so much fun to watch. And even if I didn't coach them, I'd want to watch this kind of rugby. That's kind of why it's fun to coach. And then you all you're stuck with is watching what you can, but half of it is rugby.
00:37:23
Grumpy Old Prop
You just don't want to watch because it sucks.
00:37:25
Jarrod Dyke
yeah. No.
00:37:26
Grumpy Old Prop
And then you get to the international window and it's just the kind of rugby you don't want to watch at all. It's not fun.
00:37:31
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:37:32
Grumpy Old Prop
And so it's like we're just and we also had the Lions Tour, which is also pretty good rugby. that those Those test matches especially were great. we're excellent for the most part. Um, we haven't, we haven't even touched the referees, but we'll leave that alone for now.
00:37:46
Jarrod Dyke
and We'll leave that.
00:37:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:37:47
Jarrod Dyke
That's another can of worms.
00:37:50
Grumpy Old Prop
but it's like that we, we've, we've, you know and I was telling Jess that it's like, this is the, the right now is about like what the longest between your rugby seasons, like you years ended in you're like three months out, three months away, like something like that, four months out, four months away something or three whatever.
00:38:00
Jarrod Dyke
Mm.
00:38:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:38:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, yeah Maybe four, yeah.
00:38:09
Jarrod Dyke
Four.
00:38:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:38:09
Grumpy Old Prop
so it's So it's like you're you're the far you you're at your vernal equinox here.
00:38:15
Grumpy Old Prop
It's the darkest day of the year. So it's like, um you're true yeah, so I see where you are, and I'm like kind of getting towards there, because my season just ended, but we'll start around the same time, which is nice.
00:38:26
Jarrod Dyke
So you have you have less time between and thankfully.
00:38:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um Because it's fall and and spring, whereas yours is just spring.
00:38:34
Jarrod Dyke
Just running, you know.
00:38:36
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:38:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:38:37
Grumpy Old Prop
So yeah, that's kind of where we are. And it's just, it's it's really frustrating to be in the little hole of having to watch shitty rugby and the dog shit people whistling the rugby and dog shit people commenting and making you just not want to listen to them at all.
00:38:44
Jarrod Dyke
Dog shit rugby. Yeah.
00:38:54
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. Mute. ah And to Ben's credit, like, there was... i I was like, all right, let's go watch, let's go watch BU. I brought Lachlan and it was fun to watch.
00:39:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:39:06
Jarrod Dyke
We had a great time.
00:39:08
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:39:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I was thoroughly entertained despite the fact that the scoreboard didn't end up with the way that we were hoping for, but like it was still wonderful rugby to watch and it was rugby and with my, one of my kids out there, thankfully it was nice to see that too.
00:39:22
Jarrod Dyke
um One of my, one of my high schoolers went to Ben's school, so got to watch him, got to watch him play at that level too and, know,
00:39:30
Jarrod Dyke
it was It was fun. Yeah, and that's that's what we want.
00:39:30
Grumpy Old Prop
He's having a blast too.
00:39:32
Grumpy Old Prop
he's having He's having so much fun.
00:39:33
Jarrod Dyke
That's what we want.
00:39:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:39:36
Jarrod Dyke
You know, i like...
00:39:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Also, I'm going to
00:39:37
Jarrod Dyke
to
00:39:38
Grumpy Old Prop
if I can brag about my team one more time before we move on, when they lost that game. And so they scored the first 19 points in the first 19 minutes and we're rolling. And then they decided, Oh, we can have a fuck about because that's all they've ever known.
00:39:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. So when I say like, they, they don't know closeout rugby, it's literally only been blowouts one way or the other.
00:39:52
Jarrod Dyke
so
00:39:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's been but a lot of lopsided games one way or the other.
00:39:57
Grumpy Old Prop
um And this was a tight match that, and that that's the way this level works. um It's not just unique to them, but,
00:40:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Like after the game, when they lost on a last minute intercept try for the opposition, it was not fun.
00:40:13
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, annoying, yeah.
00:40:17
Grumpy Old Prop
But none of them, you know, i've I've been some of the like three years ago, that team would have been at each other's throat. Like you fucked this up. You fucked this up. And every single one of them was like, man, I fucked us.
00:40:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I really fucked us. I could have done this, this and this better. And that might have been the difference. they weren't There was no finger pointing. They were all just thinking about themselves and what they could have done better.
00:40:35
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:40:36
Grumpy Old Prop
And that put me in the best mood because that's a championship reaction to a bad loss is I could have done better. And from a team that, again, they're used to either coming off the field being like, man, we crushed them.
00:40:48
Grumpy Old Prop
I had so much fun doing this, this, and this. Or, man, we got our butts kicked, but I had so much fun doing this, this, and this. Now they they saw the other side of it. And that's making me happy. That's going to that's goingnna keep me warm on these cold international nights for a couple of weeks I think so but yeah
00:41:03
Jarrod Dyke
No shit, right? Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, and you know, i've I've put kids in front of ah couple different teams that I coached and you know, Ben knows a couple of the ones that that I'm thinking of and said, do you want to play like Team a who plays the dog shit stuff we're talking about, or do you want to play like Team B, who plays the fun stuff?
00:41:25
Jarrod Dyke
And they're just like, Team B. And I was like, so if it that should be
00:41:27
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:41:30
Jarrod Dyke
everything we need to know about getting eyes on high-end rugby if you're if you're valuing shithousery at ruck time you're valuing defense out the ass and not worried about you know what your team does at attack and just hope that it's good enough instead then you're wrong and you're killing rugby and honestly i don't care who you are go fuck yourself like honestly
00:41:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:41:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Well, we put the abolic... We put the ball in the air and then we go and if we don't catch it, we, um we and we, maybe we don't get the turnover there, but we get the turnover or or a penalty and then we kick for points and then, then we just build that all over again.
00:42:07
Grumpy Old Prop
That's nobody wants to watch that.
00:42:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No. Nobody wants to watch that, man.
00:42:10
Grumpy Old Prop
That's not a well-played game. That's, that is not a well-played game of rugby. We might win doing that. And then that, but
00:42:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No. I'm sorry. Like, where we're at a point where we need to grow the game, and that doesn't grow it.
00:42:20
Grumpy Old Prop
no,
00:42:25
Jarrod Dyke
Simple.
00:42:26
Grumpy Old Prop
right it also doesn't also doesn't win last i last i checked teams that play like that don't win um
00:42:26
Jarrod Dyke
Simple as that.
00:42:29
Jarrod Dyke
More often than not, no.
00:42:32
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, the last two... The last two champions of Europe, last two champions of the Prem... I would say neither play like that.
00:42:41
Grumpy Old Prop
i'd say the last two world cup champs don't play like that either they play they play good tactical rugby but it's not it's not boring and it's not yeah
00:42:41
Jarrod Dyke
So
00:42:45
Jarrod Dyke
yeah. And that says a lot about thinking about how we, right. That's counter to how we think about South African rugby, but it, to their credit and you know, but we've had our issues with Razzie before, but to their credit, they have, well, number one, they've, they've installed a very good number 10. Let's be honest about that. Sasha is very good. Like there's,
00:43:06
Jarrod Dyke
yeah the The comparisons of him to DC aren't totally unearned at this point. So they're they're doing the smart thing by playing him. But really, they're just, you know, they're they're unleashing the guys that they have too.
00:43:18
Jarrod Dyke
And yes, some of them are phone
00:43:19
Grumpy Old Prop
wait we wait wait they're not they're not just playing hondre pollard because he's been their guy before they're they're they're playing someone is that done
00:43:28
Jarrod Dyke
new and exciting and is probably going to, you know, may damn well win them a third straight World Cup.
00:43:29
Grumpy Old Prop
is that done
00:43:37
Jarrod Dyke
Honestly, wouldn't be shocked.
00:43:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, so.
00:43:40
Jarrod Dyke
So just an idea.
00:43:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Anywho.
00:43:43
Jarrod Dyke
I suppose we can go to the Prem now. I suppose.
00:43:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, cool.
00:43:47
Jarrod Dyke
We don't need to spend too much time on it.
00:43:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Thank you for your patience, everyone.
00:43:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
Premiership Rugby Highlights
00:43:51
Jarrod Dyke
If you stuck with us through that, you you you deserve a medal.
00:43:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:43:53
Jarrod Dyke
Good job.
00:43:54
Grumpy Old Prop
And either way, i i don't know how how long this Prem conversation is going to last anyway, because i think neither of us have watched all of the games, so.
00:44:01
Jarrod Dyke
No. um I was able to get through most of Northampton and Ceres.
00:44:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Let's have fun.
00:44:07
Jarrod Dyke
um you know
00:44:09
Grumpy Old Prop
i I looked up like five minutes after halftime and I'm like, wait, how did, how did, what, what the fuck happened there?
00:44:18
Jarrod Dyke
yeah it was you know uh so with with all that um
00:44:18
Grumpy Old Prop
um i mean, I saw both the scores, but it was, it didn't really click until. Yeah.
00:44:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, okay. We we spotted them 17 to begin with, so if we hadn't done that, then this might have been a different game altogether.
00:44:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:44:37
Jarrod Dyke
So say what you will otherwise, and yes, Tommy Freeman is a fucking freak of nature. Like, fuck you. I don't remember which try it was where Finn Smith found the gap and then the bounce just went perfectly.
00:44:48
Jarrod Dyke
was just like, ah, it's one of those games. Okay, that's not going work.
00:44:51
Grumpy Old Prop
me
00:44:51
Jarrod Dyke
It was a chip, and i was just like, oh, never mind. this the scheme's this game's over.
00:44:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:44:57
Jarrod Dyke
and i don't It might have been the last try. I can't remember. It doesn't matter. It was just too good. was like, uh-huh. Okay, one of those games. Never mind. And listen, I think Fergus Burke is playing very well at 10 right now for the Saracens.
00:45:12
Jarrod Dyke
I think there's a lot of good things going on with the Saracens, but the Saints team has re-found their groove that they missed last year for the most part, apart from their
00:45:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:45:22
Jarrod Dyke
there their jaunt through Europe, like, yeah, like just, this is where, this this is what they were missing, and they've and done so well for the most part, and, you know, we know Tadaro has really just made life hard on what I'm sure a lot of guys assumed was going to be their job, but he's got other ideas for everyone, and you know, I know they still have Slate home, and they have, for we'll see how long it takes Furbank to get back as well, but, yeah, when they come back, there's going to be some fighting.
00:45:24
Grumpy Old Prop
and Champions Cup. Yeah. You're...
00:45:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:45:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:45:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Damn. Hendy's doing okay, too. Like...
00:45:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:45:53
Grumpy Old Prop
They have, they have like six guys for three spots. Certainly if they have, no, they have, well, certainly have five guys for three spots.
00:45:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:45:59
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:46:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Although, and then if you expand that though, it might help if you want to bring Furbank into 13.
00:46:02
Jarrod Dyke
So. I
00:46:07
Grumpy Old Prop
So now you've got like, Oh, that's what I meant.
00:46:07
Jarrod Dyke
think you'd probably put Freeman at 13 before you did Furbank there.
00:46:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Freeman. Sorry.
00:46:13
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Okay. As long as we got that out of control.
00:46:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, yeah, no, you know Freeman, Freeman at, at, at 13 for bank. No, for Mike stays 15.
00:46:18
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:46:20
Grumpy Old Prop
um But now, you know, you add two more guys and it's, you know, Dingle and what's his butt for the other center. so
00:46:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:46:34
Grumpy Old Prop
But you kind of of Hutchinson, but do you kind of live with that.
00:46:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I mean, you got... Yeah, they have they have lots.
00:46:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's that's quite the stable. I mean, if you want to get Freeman, Todaro, and Sleights out there, that's ah scary.
00:46:47
Grumpy Old Prop
That's scary.
00:46:50
Jarrod Dyke
And you look at the way Bellow played the other week in the the Midlands derby when he came on, and Litchfield's been good up up until this point as well.
00:46:54
Grumpy Old Prop
I
00:46:59
Jarrod Dyke
He didn't get a lot of run this game, but yeah, and Really, i'd I'd say their pack is probably their weak point, which is weird to say. Like, back row, no, but anything front five is kind of where things get a little hairy.
00:47:12
Grumpy Old Prop
mean Colsey's pretty good but that's that's it yeah yeah
00:47:14
Jarrod Dyke
Right. um I like Fischetti, and Davison.
00:47:20
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:47:20
Jarrod Dyke
And if fucking, you know, Langdon can get healthy over this international break, then it's bad news for the for any other team, because that's that's probably there the guy they're missing right which...
00:47:30
Grumpy Old Prop
do too.
00:47:32
Jarrod Dyke
They've been able to cover up for pretty well thus far. But if he gets healthy, then yeah, it's bad news for everyone else.
00:47:40
Jarrod Dyke
um And despite his, you know, despite his card, i have to say, I've really liked the way Richie Oney has started started this season. I really do.
00:47:51
Jarrod Dyke
what he seems he he He seems like he's, know, knock on wood, a scene he seems like he's sorted out his scrummaging for the most part. He was... having his way with the last few loose heads, all of which were notable guys.
00:47:51
Grumpy Old Prop
i did so
00:48:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:05
Jarrod Dyke
And yes, not always the result came came out the way he they wanted it to but you know it's not been his fault at scrum time, which you know a lot of us but so would certainly point his way in and years past.
00:48:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:19
Jarrod Dyke
And thus far, i can't I can't say it's been his problem.
00:48:20
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:48:23
Jarrod Dyke
So doing that. And then Charlie Bracken. Behave young man, behave.
00:48:31
Grumpy Old Prop
No, he can behave like that.
00:48:32
Jarrod Dyke
That's the so set up for the male and stri.
00:48:33
Grumpy Old Prop
That's fine.
00:48:36
Jarrod Dyke
was just like, okay, this, and I'm sorry.
00:48:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:38
Jarrod Dyke
um'm sorry I've been saying it for at least a couple of years. The kid needs more time and good things will happen. Sure enough, you give the kid time. Good things have happened so far.
00:48:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:50
Jarrod Dyke
you know You know, yes, he's got, ah he's got mistakes, but I will live with whatever mistakes Charlie's got.
00:48:55
Grumpy Old Prop
But you gotta live with them. Yeah.
00:48:57
Jarrod Dyke
And because the good things are too good at this point.
00:48:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:49:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And...
00:49:03
Jarrod Dyke
I have to get one one of those scrum haps in that room right now. I'm sorry, it's Gareth. Because I think Vencel's still got some value.
00:49:11
Grumpy Old Prop
He does. But, you know, that was...
00:49:12
Jarrod Dyke
so Oh, i'm I'm perfectly fine with that.
00:49:13
Grumpy Old Prop
i still... i the i'm I'm hoping that they rotate the three of them. Like... or Or it's... To me, it's... um No.
00:49:24
Grumpy Old Prop
I guess, like, if... if um You know, that this like something like this where Van Zelle gets a break, but It's hard to... I would like to see Bracken over but for for Gareth at this point as as the reserve, but you still gotta...
00:49:38
Jarrod Dyke
i'd like to start I'd like to start Charlie most games.
00:49:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's true.
00:49:41
Jarrod Dyke
Honestly, I'd like to start him to mark most games. So, we'll see.
00:49:44
Grumpy Old Prop
that's i can't argue I can't argue that.
00:49:45
Jarrod Dyke
hopefully Hopefully good things happen. um Did you watch anything at the stoop?
00:49:52
Jarrod Dyke
I watched Zero of it.
00:49:52
Grumpy Old Prop
um a A little bit, yes. um My try of the week will come from that. um The EaseGrow try.
00:49:58
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
00:49:59
Grumpy Old Prop
but Spoiler alert, it's the Ease Go Try. oh
00:50:02
Jarrod Dyke
I see that.
00:50:03
Grumpy Old Prop
But that's also not really fair because it's basically against air. um
00:50:08
Jarrod Dyke
Sometimes that happens.
00:50:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but still, even against air, that was a fucking hell of a play. um Yeah, so no, I didn't really watch much of that. Nor did I watch much of Exeter Gloucester because I think I tuned in a couple like around um when when Bristol Bath was at half. I watched that um and then checked in on the other two every so often and...
00:50:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that Exeter Gloucester game didn't give me much to to look into.
00:50:36
Jarrod Dyke
Nope, don't think I did either. i didn't I watched zero minutes of that. I saw the scoreline, and I also saw the official, and I said, never mind. Skip that entirely so I don't want to throw my face through a fucking brick wall.
00:50:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Ah. Oh, Leel. Fuck you. Yeah.
00:50:50
Jarrod Dyke
know like i i was I wanted to be in a generally good mood when I got home from... Because I worked a little bit in the morning, then I went back to work in the afternoon. I had enough time to watch one game and a little bit.
00:51:00
Jarrod Dyke
I watched most of Bath Bristol.
00:51:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Oh, wait, maybe I did watch a little bit of the beginning of this because I thought I think I saw the Dwebo try. And um yeah, I did see the Will. Will Joseph had a pretty sweet try. Unfortunately, he had to come off early.
00:51:13
Grumpy Old Prop
um But but he he had it.
00:51:14
Jarrod Dyke
Guy can't stay healthy.
00:51:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I know.
00:51:16
Jarrod Dyke
Jesus. That sucks.
00:51:19
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, yeah know obviously, that shouldn't have been much of a surprise here. But yeah, he did have to come off about 30 minutes in.
00:51:23
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man.
00:51:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:24
Jarrod Dyke
And he was having such a good run, too. Again. ah
00:51:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:28
Jarrod Dyke
Poor guy.
00:51:29
Grumpy Old Prop
And Slade had two tries, which is really all you need to know.
00:51:32
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm. It says everything.
00:51:33
Grumpy Old Prop
And Yandel had one? Fuck that.
00:51:38
Jarrod Dyke
Old man Yandel.
00:51:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Whatever. Alright. Yeah.
00:51:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yikes. Moving on. Do I have a score?
00:51:44
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:51:47
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Yeah, Bath Bristol. You know, i really chalk it up to Bristol's lack of depth only because of all the injuries that they'vecurd that they've endured so far.
00:52:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. What? You don't have a fourth fly half?
00:52:02
Jarrod Dyke
I don't have anything else.
00:52:03
Grumpy Old Prop
What the fuck? feel Yeah. What are you going to do?
00:52:05
Jarrod Dyke
I know. Oh, man. Yeah, because when it worked...
00:52:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Although, actually, that's not fair. Worsley's actually played. Worsley is not the problem here.
00:52:14
Jarrod Dyke
he's been okay so far.
00:52:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:16
Jarrod Dyke
You know, he, he played pretty well the week before against Glosser grand Glosser are struggling in so many ways right now, but, um, didn't play terribly, but against them by any means.
00:52:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:52:25
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah, he's, but yeah, it's at bath. It's a, that's a tall order. you know, it's Finn Russell.
00:52:33
Grumpy Old Prop
And they they had it going.
00:52:34
Jarrod Dyke
Who's yeah.
00:52:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Until. Yeah. Until.
00:52:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I, I feel for him. I, I, you know, when, and tempo is kind of but prick on top of it all, so that doesn't help.
00:52:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:47
Jarrod Dyke
but
00:52:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Well.
00:52:51
Grumpy Old Prop
But didn't. Did he allow a try that shouldn't have gone. um
00:52:56
Grumpy Old Prop
can't. Was it the Underhill try. Yeah. I think it was the Underhill try. Where if he was TMO. He would have disallowed it. But. um
00:53:03
Jarrod Dyke
Right. There were a lot disallowed tries in a row.
00:53:05
Grumpy Old Prop
but Which I thought was... um
00:53:07
Jarrod Dyke
for Bath, I will say that. There was a ton. i think there was three in like one little block that they were down there.
00:53:11
Grumpy Old Prop
There were.
00:53:17
Jarrod Dyke
oh
00:53:21
Jarrod Dyke
You know, and I will say the brouhaha at the end there. Yeah.
00:53:26
Grumpy Old Prop
oh yeah. hes He was letting the shithousery go. like Bath were being dicks the whole game, too. I didn't like how that went. um
00:53:37
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just not It wasn't necessary to just like Yeah I thought i thought there at the end too um The push and shove And I think it was after the Underhill try It was like What like I think ah ah but a Bristol player had something to say to one of the bad guys Or maybe just gave him a little like shove Like a you know just like fuck off And Yeah he was involved in a lot of shit too
00:53:56
Jarrod Dyke
It was...
00:53:59
Jarrod Dyke
It was Keputui Pulo 2.
00:54:03
Jarrod Dyke
ah yeah It was... that's one of those that That's one of those things where I'm like, alright, that can go.
00:54:05
Grumpy Old Prop
He was.
00:54:09
Jarrod Dyke
like
00:54:10
Jarrod Dyke
That's not necessary.
00:54:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:54:11
Grumpy Old Prop
i
00:54:11
Jarrod Dyke
You know?
00:54:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I see shit going down and 16's involved. OK, that that sticks in my memory. I see it going down again and 16's there.
00:54:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:54:19
Grumpy Old Prop
I see it again 16's there. And I'm like, you know what? I just think this guy is the one starting shit.
00:54:24
Jarrod Dyke
and Yeah.
00:54:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Like.
00:54:25
Jarrod Dyke
So...
00:54:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Maybe have a thought to that tempo. um And Van Grand too, but that's besides the point.
00:54:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:54:33
Jarrod Dyke
I think the the end result of the whole thing, which was Bristol penalty on halfway to restart the game, was the right result. Granted, we were already at red clock, so it wasn't didn't really matter much.
00:54:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:54:43
Jarrod Dyke
But I think that was the right result in the end. Giving both a yellow card. Okay, fine. Yeah, you know, don't be dump and dumping dudes over the advertising boards.
00:54:53
Jarrod Dyke
Come on, man. That's not nice.
00:54:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:54:55
Jarrod Dyke
That's how someone gets hurt.
00:54:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right.
00:54:57
Jarrod Dyke
Can't go doing that shit.
00:54:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, it's all pushy-shovesies. Like, let's, you know, there's no need to get make it like it.
00:55:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, the pushy-shoves doesn't result in shit, but usually.
00:55:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:55:07
Jarrod Dyke
and then But then when you go do that, yeah, you're going to get carded.
00:55:08
Grumpy Old Prop
As long as you're not shoving a guy into camera. Right. You don't shove a guy into a camera. you don't throw him over the this the signage. um If he jumps over the signage and disappears down into the ether, um that's his fault.
00:55:23
Jarrod Dyke
It's a different story.
00:55:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, different story.
00:55:25
Jarrod Dyke
Sounds like a WWE move, honestly.
00:55:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Didn't DuPont do that?
00:55:31
Jarrod Dyke
That's a possibility, actually, now that you say that.
00:55:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Wasn't that...
00:55:36
Grumpy Old Prop
um Anyway, yeah, like that could happen.
00:55:38
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, yeah, listen, there's a point where you're just like, all right, I'm running. I'm out of this.
00:55:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. um
00:55:44
Jarrod Dyke
These guys are all far bigger than I am.
00:55:44
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, let's keep...
00:55:46
Jarrod Dyke
I want nothing to do with this.
00:55:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:55:50
Jarrod Dyke
um um And then I got so while I got to watch that, I got to watch a little bit of. lester sale as well um i saw both radwan tries the second one it's like it was like a parting of the seas i mean great vision to see it but it almost lined up perfectly where the defense just went one way too far and wasn't quite catching up on the other side and he's like yep this looks like a pretty lane for me he's got the wheels to go through it too so i was like yeah that that'll work
00:55:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:56:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:56:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah! But like...
00:56:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup.
00:56:15
Grumpy Old Prop
it's it It's a total optical illusion because if you look at it from the try the opposite tri-line, all you would see is people in the way, in people in between Radwan and the tri-line.
00:56:29
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:56:31
Grumpy Old Prop
But because if you if you then just shift to his perspective and all of a sudden you're like, oh, there's a gap right there. There's like a huge Mack truck size alley for him to run through.
00:56:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:56:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. He said, ah that's kind of you guys.
00:56:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Just...
00:56:45
Jarrod Dyke
Look at you.
00:56:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, just let me run through this little little gap here.
00:56:47
Jarrod Dyke
you're too sweet.
00:56:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, I'll take it.
00:56:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:56:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. he see He doesn't need a second invite on something like that.
00:56:53
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:56:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:56:58
Grumpy Old Prop
No, and and we, you know, that, again,
00:56:59
Jarrod Dyke
No, no, no.
00:57:05
Grumpy Old Prop
you know, Newcastle having to let him go. i um Okay, I mean, but the but this also, and honestly, it makes the league better, though, because now,
00:57:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, sad.
00:57:16
Grumpy Old Prop
He's on a good team. Leicester are better. Like if they didn't have him and Ollie Hussle Collins, I don't know what the hell they would be. They'd be Leicester of like three or four years ago.
00:57:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they it's strong I think they'd struggle. Yeah.
00:57:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:28
Jarrod Dyke
agree.
00:57:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Or yeah.
00:57:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, maybe they would to got another one from somewhere.
00:57:33
Grumpy Old Prop
What was it? Three years ago they won. I think, what was it? Four years ago they won. ah So maybe a little bit longer than that.
00:57:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, four years ago they they did win.
00:57:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Either way, mediocrity.
00:57:42
Jarrod Dyke
They had some good players on that team too, so let's be honest.
00:57:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right. But before then, they were kind meh for a bit. But yeah, they then they lost a bunch of their you know they're they're their wingers, especially.
00:57:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:57:54
Grumpy Old Prop
So then they had nothing. Now here they are. Mm-hmm.
00:57:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, now they got these guys who are very high-end players, obviously. I mean, so i I look at Sale and they're, and I'm not saying Sanderson is part of the problem, but like our whinge from beforehand.
00:58:10
Jarrod Dyke
i look at this and see.
00:58:11
Grumpy Old Prop
i I think Sanders is part of the problem. At this point, they're his this is this is his team.
00:58:13
Jarrod Dyke
okay there you go.
00:58:15
Grumpy Old Prop
This is the team he wants to put out there.
00:58:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. But like, here's the thing.
00:58:20
Grumpy Old Prop
He wants to put Luke Cowendickie out there. He wants to put Tom O'Flaherty out there.
00:58:23
Jarrod Dyke
With, and pooring that's and that's to Borthwick's same same level too, like, Looking at the hooker spot, like you're not going to have both Jamie George and LCD at the next World at the next world Cup if you have either of them.
00:58:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:58:41
Jarrod Dyke
So you need to start developing players at that spot. If LCD is your answer come 27, you ain't winning. Sorry. Plain and simple.
00:58:49
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:58:50
Jarrod Dyke
That's not going work.
00:58:51
Jarrod Dyke
He can't throw a lineup for fuck. or that yep or that yeah know he's a walking injury card and can't throw for shit why he keeps getting applause i haven't got a clue but hey let's let's just move on from that we've talked about it already but the point being is you need like if you're in the you need to call in guys like gabe augrey you need to call in guys like gibaloo and i know gabe augrey has a cap it was against the u.s s that doesn't fucking count like don't don't give me that shit the u.s shouldn't even be in the world cup let's be honest
00:58:51
Grumpy Old Prop
No, because he's going to knock himself out or get carded or whatever.
00:59:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:59:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. No, but he, but either way, one isn't enough. they You can't say, well, he has one. kit No, get him more.
00:59:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no shit.
00:59:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Like. Right.
00:59:24
Jarrod Dyke
You need to get him more before Australia 27. I'm sorry. you know And listen, Theo Dan's got his own issues that he needs to sort out. so
00:59:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:59:35
Jarrod Dyke
you And as much as I like Theo Dan as a player, I know he can't cut it right now because he needs to be able to hit the goddamn line out.
00:59:35
Grumpy Old Prop
but you
00:59:43
Grumpy Old Prop
right And like the this has been a long running thing to like Harry Thacker should have had multiple caps.
00:59:44
Jarrod Dyke
And that's a problem.
00:59:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Harry Thacker, like you shouldn't be having, like you said, Cowan Dickey and and Jamie George as your elder statesman hookers.
00:59:51
Jarrod Dyke
Ugh, yeah.
00:59:59
Grumpy Old Prop
It should be someone like ah ah Harry Thacker, but he never got his shot. he never got that. That long at that opportunity that he was he was lights out for so long.
01:00:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that one i was fucking...
01:00:09
Jarrod Dyke
That was Eddie's fault.
01:00:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Never got to look. And this is this is where you're left with now because you keep going with these you keep going with the George Fords.
01:00:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:00:19
Grumpy Old Prop
For no fucking reason.
01:00:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Nope. Say no. No arguing out of me, man. Yeah, or like, how old is... How old's Bullmeyer?
01:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
He's still young. get like Get him out there.
01:00:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that would be that would be one to check out there as well. Like, you have options, but you still continue to pick elder statesmen. Let's be honest, Jamie George should be your first choice if you're going to go between those two.
01:00:49
Jarrod Dyke
But then it needs to be someone younger. And, you know, and I'm not saying just the O'Dan. I'm saying it needs to be one of those three guys that we've already mentioned at minimum. And there's other options. Dan Frost is another one that comes to mind as well. Like, I know he's banged up, but, like, they're – are options to get out there all of which are playing good rugby too by the way what's up little old and i thought yeah but hey they're not it's only they're it's not like they're against throwing guys out there for the first time around 30 you know so yeah i just i i think there's i think this is one of those continuing problems with the sport and
01:01:07
Grumpy Old Prop
and but Blumeyer's 27.
01:01:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Blumeyer's 27, so he's a little older than I thought, but still...
01:01:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:01:33
Jarrod Dyke
They lean on old heads too long and we wonder, hmm, I wonder why these guys aren't ready that are younger. ah Could it be because you gave them no playing time while you could have?
01:01:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:01:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Yeah. And say, well, we never, like...
01:01:44
Jarrod Dyke
And you continue to try and push, you know, well I mean, the example that comes to mind, you continue to try and push a has-been like Ben Youngs.
01:01:56
Jarrod Dyke
And then you want him to get this, you know, these record cap numbers. It's like, why?
01:02:00
Grumpy Old Prop
but it's all It's all artificial. It doesn't matter.
01:02:01
Jarrod Dyke
Why?
01:02:03
Grumpy Old Prop
<unk>ve You've completely destroyed the value of it.
01:02:03
Jarrod Dyke
Why? he He was so bad for so long.
01:02:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:02:11
Jarrod Dyke
Barf.
01:02:12
Grumpy Old Prop
It's, yeah.
01:02:14
Jarrod Dyke
Barf, barf, barf. All right. um Superlatives.
01:02:21
Jarrod Dyke
um Players that stood out.
01:02:27
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, Pearson.
01:02:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:02:31
Grumpy Old Prop
um Both Brackens, I'd say, in that match.
01:02:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:02:34
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:02:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:02:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Henry Slade punched above his weight, but again, Gloucester, what are going to do?
01:02:41
Jarrod Dyke
Thankfully, they left him out of this coming team. Jesus.
01:02:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um
01:02:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Path. Basically, they they just spent the whole day punching. Not above their weight, just punching. um
01:02:54
Jarrod Dyke
Just punching.
01:02:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Just punching.
01:02:58
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, I, who for, uh, for Lester's sale. Um, well, first, uh, obviously that's not even punching him with his weight though for Radwin.
01:03:09
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just what you expect him to do.
01:03:09
Jarrod Dyke
No, I know. that's just It's just being.
01:03:12
Jarrod Dyke
It's just existing. um i so I'm still... Ileone got called into the squad, didn't he? Awesome. Perfect.
01:03:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:03:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, did he?
01:03:23
Jarrod Dyke
Everything I could ask for.
01:03:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Nice.
01:03:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did.
01:03:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
01:03:27
Jarrod Dyke
Or at least he had he had spent the the previous week with with England Camp. So that's awesome for him. I know he's not in the 23 this coming week, but like but that's great.
01:03:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, let me see.
01:03:39
Jarrod Dyke
if he's if he's even part of that conversation.
Team Announcements and Player Surprises
01:03:49
Grumpy Old Prop
and't even i didn't even see the the name, the team that was named. So, oh, also I saw someone say that it's bullshit that they announced these teams alphabetically and they should announce them by position, which is absolutely 100% correct. Um,
01:04:05
Jarrod Dyke
that would be a little more helpful.
01:04:07
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah. Holy shit, Calori is on the team. I didn't even see that.
01:04:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, yes. I mean, he he will he's unlikely to get a cap.
01:04:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, Henry Slade. Oh, yeah. He won't see time. Yeah.
01:04:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he's unlikely to get a cap, so but he'll be at least in the training camp.
01:04:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, and and how about um just when you thought Arundel was done for the day and you just had, oh, you know, it wasn't wasn't <unk>t that good on the day.
01:04:30
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. ah I was like, and that's going to make everybody in fantasy very happy. Yeah.
01:04:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:39
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man. i was like, and that's what everyone's been waiting for. It wasn't pretty, but they don't ask how. They ask how many. So...
01:04:50
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man. I couldn't believe it. I was like, yeah, there he goes.
01:04:55
Jarrod Dyke
But, yeah. So, um, shout it.
01:05:03
Grumpy Old Prop
shaed I mean, certainly everybody on Gloucester.
01:05:04
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:05:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, haven't really seen the game so much, but that like
01:05:09
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:05:13
Grumpy Old Prop
you you should be better than that. And also considering where you are in the standings, like you need a get right game. And that's not, I know it's extra on the road, but still, um, you should look better than that.
01:05:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, that's really all I can say. You shat it. I mean, you look at the score lines. I mean, you expect Quinns to blow it out. That's not a, that's not a, whatever Bristol. They're down so many players, as you said, what what are you going to do?
01:05:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
01:05:42
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
01:05:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Sari's scenes, that's just a fucking heavyweight battle. 12 points, yeah, that's fair. That's just the way that that cookie's going to crumble either way.
01:05:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:05:53
Grumpy Old Prop
um Sale, ah and you know at Walford, wrote yeah, no.
01:05:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I mean, they they played they played pretty well right up to it.
01:05:59
Grumpy Old Prop
I'd say if anything, Sale impressed. Yeah.
01:06:05
Jarrod Dyke
Ben Spencer's 33.
01:06:06
Grumpy Old Prop
So, going to be nice.
01:06:06
Jarrod Dyke
I didn't realize that. Damn. Yeah.
01:06:09
Grumpy Old Prop
What's that?
01:06:09
Jarrod Dyke
Ben Spencer's 33. I just realized that.
01:06:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:13
Jarrod Dyke
to Bit up there. But the here's the thing. For right now, they don't have anybody else.
01:06:21
Jarrod Dyke
and At 9. Unless they want to call Charlie in. Which... You would not upset me if that happened.
01:06:30
Jarrod Dyke
Anyway. um
01:06:33
Jarrod Dyke
Young players...
01:06:36
Jarrod Dyke
Coach, ref.
01:06:37
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, the Brackens. um
01:06:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. I was thinking Charlie as well.
01:06:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um How old is Jack? Jack.
01:06:46
Jarrod Dyke
little younger.
01:06:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, fuck. Really? That's... the
01:06:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, right? let's see.
01:06:53
Grumpy Old Prop
but Okay, okay.
01:06:55
Jarrod Dyke
He is. He's 20. Yeah.
01:06:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Um...
01:06:58
Jarrod Dyke
he is
01:07:02
Jarrod Dyke
he's twenty
01:07:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck off. Him and Kalori, 19 and 20.
01:07:05
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
01:07:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Jeez.
01:07:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Unfair.
01:07:11
Jarrod Dyke
Officially listed as a center, but definitely not center build at the moment.
01:07:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Not right now. Um...
01:07:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Charlie's older. Charlie's a child is year older.
01:07:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Wow. but
01:07:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. um
01:07:29
Jarrod Dyke
Been excited about these two for a while. I'm glad they're finally coming through.
01:07:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. don't know. It's fantastic.
Officiating and Match Costs
01:07:35
Grumpy Old Prop
um Certainly been hearing the name for ah for a couple years. um Yeah, no, I don't... I didn't like the officiating. I don't think the officiating really mattered much this week.
01:07:47
Grumpy Old Prop
And, you know, for St. Saris, I think the the last time we saw this was that forward pass so um yeah you're not gonna god damn it
01:07:56
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah.
01:07:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's what Thorpey was. I'm sure he wasn't that good anyway, so. um a Coach to throw out there at all?
01:08:12
Grumpy Old Prop
um nah not really i think everybody everything pretty much played out the way it should I don't think anybody, like it was like a, no coaching geniuses, no, nothing the other way either.
01:08:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:08:26
Grumpy Old Prop
You
01:08:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:08:29
Grumpy Old Prop
you know, as much as we i love, we love, well, I love Pat Lamb. He's down too many people.
01:08:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:08:35
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's against the champs, so.
01:08:38
Jarrod Dyke
Had he pulled that off, that would have been um ah wild one right there.
01:08:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:08:42
Jarrod Dyke
So at least.
01:08:47
Jarrod Dyke
um Okay.
01:08:50
Grumpy Old Prop
And then, as I said, try the weak is grow for that that volley up those.
01:08:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you said it used to go. I'll give the mail-ins try the... that nod for Charlie's work in it.
01:09:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Fair enough. Fair enough.
01:09:03
Jarrod Dyke
um
01:09:04
Grumpy Old Prop
And the Radwan try was sweet, too.
01:09:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that was nice.
01:09:06
Grumpy Old Prop
As we mentioned, that second one.
01:09:07
Jarrod Dyke
That was good vision. Yeah. um Player of the week.
01:09:15
Grumpy Old Prop
um You know, it's expected, but Marcus...
01:09:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
01:09:21
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, he certainly is pulling the strings, doing doing what you needed to do. Well, I mean, and again, you're playing a little bit on air, but still um had some fantastic plays to set up his teammates.
01:09:31
Grumpy Old Prop
So making the machine run now that he's back from, you know, he's back and integrated into Lions and really should be the England 10.
01:09:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah,
01:09:39
Grumpy Old Prop
But maybe that's that's just for this week. We'll see if that, you know, we'll see if that changes from Ford, but.
01:09:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. I'll give it to Freeman. He scored four.
01:09:55
Grumpy Old Prop
fine yeah i know and again scoring four against saturdays is pretty fucking awesome so not easy to not easy to do at all no matter the circumstances so fine that's a better example of a guy who played well but against a good team
01:09:56
Jarrod Dyke
he's just and he's just good. he just He really is just good. You know?
01:10:15
Jarrod Dyke
It was also that. Dick of the week
01:10:21
Grumpy Old Prop
but uh ah Most of the Bath team. Most of the Bath forwards I would say.
01:10:27
Jarrod Dyke
the week. have a feeling were going that way.
01:10:32
Grumpy Old Prop
um but But especially to Palatsu. Keputu Palatsu. As I said. Every time you turned around. Shit was happening and he was in the middle of it.
01:10:42
Jarrod Dyke
all that And that last part, that last thing he did, i was like, really, dude, you didn't need to do that. You already won. Like that, that's an example of one of those things.
01:10:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:10:50
Jarrod Dyke
I'd call over and be like, come here. Let's, let's, let's go have a long chat but that might involve me giving you.
01:10:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:10:57
Grumpy Old Prop
And how did they miss Redpath?
01:10:58
Jarrod Dyke
a
01:10:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Was it Redpath throwing the ball at ah one of the bat one of the Bristol players? like hit him in like
01:11:04
Jarrod Dyke
I don't remember. i was, I was definitely walking back and forth, so I don't know.
01:11:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Dropped it on his head, like essentially.
01:11:10
Grumpy Old Prop
it was like There was a whole bunch that was clearly like he did it. I think it was Redpath. um
01:11:17
Jarrod Dyke
There
01:11:19
Grumpy Old Prop
And like there there was a... It might have been one of the Grundonas. He just like that might have been Yeah, I think it was that. I think it was because that ah that first one. No, it wasn't there.
01:11:35
Grumpy Old Prop
i can't I can't recall. But ultimately, it was...
01:11:37
Jarrod Dyke
you
01:11:40
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:11:43
Grumpy Old Prop
like yeah he and and But Beth ended up getting the benefit from it. like They got their own ah kick to to the corner. And I was like, what the fuck? like Your guy started it.
01:11:52
Jarrod Dyke
Gotcha.
01:11:54
Grumpy Old Prop
So...
01:11:56
Grumpy Old Prop
And they just totally missed it.
01:11:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Ouch. Yeah.
01:11:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Shitty. Yeah.
01:12:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Oh, and that's the other thing that I hate about rugby is the fucking pricing right now. Like I wanted to go to Chicago this weekend and I could have if I wanted to sell my soul and my firstborn.
01:12:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:12:17
Jarrod Dyke
Like the tickets to get to that were so expensive. On top of the fact that I would have needed, I wouldn't have needed lodging. I know I have a place to stay, but I still need to get my ass there on a plane.
01:12:29
Jarrod Dyke
And that would have been, you know, not easy either.
01:12:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:12:33
Jarrod Dyke
So it's like, yeah like, don't price people out of these really awesome events. Yes, it's a test match and it should cost a little bit, but man, some of these prices were astronomical. i was like, get the fuck out of here.
01:12:45
Jarrod Dyke
Like i want to see Ireland play. I want to see the all blacks play, but I do not want to be in the Poe house forever either. So no good.
01:12:52
Grumpy Old Prop
right
01:12:56
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, all right.
Conclusion and Future Matches
01:12:57
Jarrod Dyke
Um, so that does it. So that that does it for rugby therapy this week. Uh,
01:13:05
Jarrod Dyke
if you, yeah, if you are inclined to go watch the internationals this weekend, um, good luck with that.
01:13:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Thank you for listening to us.
01:13:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Get it out. Later.
01:13:11
Jarrod Dyke
Enjoy. You enjoy that. Um, We'll probably be back next week to discuss some of them. Maybe not all of them, but some of them. if we're If you're here for that, we'll see you then. If not, we'll see you next time we do some Fancy Corner, and we'll catch you soon.
01:13:25
Jarrod Dyke
Thanks for listening, everyone. Have a good one.
01:13:28
Grumpy Old Prop
later
01:13:28
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.