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Season 8- Episode 6- Two Refs, One Scrum (November Internationals Cont.)
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It's more from those American rugby knuckleheads. On this episode, we are discussing (almost) the full slate of international matches in the first official weekend, so buckle in. We start with the Eagles and end with the Wales with everything in between. Including more foolish decisions by coaches, networks, and so on. Grab a drink and join us fam!
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Introduction and Podcast Support
00:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:34
Jarrod Dyke
We are back. We are here. We have way more to talk about this week in terms of actual matches. um but mean,
00:00:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Really? i i found that there wasn't much to talk about overall. Anyway, well, we'll get to that. that We can talk about that.
00:00:46
Jarrod Dyke
but but but
00:00:47
Grumpy Old Prop
There we go.
00:00:47
Jarrod Dyke
we can talk about that too. We can talk about that too. I grabbed the wrong thing. There we go. Get over here. Make sure that you find us on your favorite podcast app.
00:00:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
00:00:58
Jarrod Dyke
Share, download, rate, review, all that lovely stuff.
00:01:02
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, there you go.
00:01:03
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm late.
00:01:09
Jarrod Dyke
Delicious. um Make sure that you buy our good friend George a coffee or beer. It will not be long until we're back into fantasy stuff. We'll talk about that in a second. ah So, yeah, make sure that you are um supporting our our good friend, the Fantasy Rugby Geek, because he puts a lot of effort out there for everyone else to enjoy.
00:01:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:01:28
Jarrod Dyke
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00:01:33
Jarrod Dyke
There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life.
Discussion on Discrimination and Mental Health
00:01:38
Grumpy Old Prop
i'm gonna I'm going to go in a different direction this week.
00:01:40
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Oh, okay. All right. I mean, I could think of a couple directions to go, but if you have something, we'll do it.
00:01:42
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:01:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, because I want to... like you know As we talk about um you know discrimination and and and the many forms it takes,
00:01:57
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:01:57
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:01:59
Grumpy Old Prop
like we have to remember, again, that people are dealing with more than what you see. right there's Everybody's fighting some demon. or and another many.
00:02:09
Jarrod Dyke
Always. Yeah.
00:02:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, so all that to say, like, and it, it doesn't, you know, there's no, no, no place in society where that, that is not true. And we saw that this past week, um, in, in the NFL with, uh, a young man who, um,
00:02:30
Grumpy Old Prop
you know, is, has a, such a bright future ahead of him. And, um, he even scored his first touchdown last Monday night, a week ago tonight. Um, and like, he's a defensive player too.
00:02:43
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's not like, uh, but anyway, I'm talking about Marshawn Neyland of the Cowboys, um, who I hear his mother had passed recently and, um, he was in a chase with police and ended up, um,
00:02:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:03:01
Grumpy Old Prop
ended up doing the thing. And, you know, my first thought is these, these clubs have so much, so many resources and they really should know, like if, if a player is grieving or if if there's anything that, that, you know, just cause you know him, um you know, maybe make sure he's not alone.
00:03:02
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:03:24
Grumpy Old Prop
And ah I'm not saying the Cowboys failed here.
00:03:24
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:03:26
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm not, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is,
00:03:30
Grumpy Old Prop
like that, that's just like kind of an example of like what should happen, right? That's where we should be as, you know, as ah a species, as a people where, you know, someone's hurting, we, we reach out a helping hand rather than just kind of say, oh man, that sucks for you.
00:03:45
Grumpy Old Prop
um And then i got other stuff to do. Like there's, you know, people, you know, if if you need help, get help. um If, if, you you know,
00:03:57
Grumpy Old Prop
If you're listening to this pod, you need help. Get help. But seriously, like, this is um like, yeah, don't don't let it get to that point.
00:04:10
Grumpy Old Prop
And there's, you know, no matter who you are, there's people who love you. So um I just wanted to, you know, say sorry to Marshawn Nealon that we, you know, we couldn't be there for you.
00:04:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. it's yeah i mean, and it's, there are,
Podcast Updates and Rugby Weekend Overview
00:04:27
Jarrod Dyke
so in the case of him where he he lost a parent. i've had I've had that experience recently, sadly.
00:04:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:04:35
Jarrod Dyke
There are support groups that you can find. And so, yeah, to your point, that should be a resource that was available to him to be able to use use at his disposal should he should he see fit, which I have a feeling he probably needed it. And I'd like to think that someone had tried to steer him that way.
00:04:56
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, maybe things were just that bad for him. And that's just, that's still awful. But yeah, yeah. I mean, there are, so if you're, yeah if you're in that, if you're in that boat, um there are, there are support groups that you can have.
00:05:08
Jarrod Dyke
I found that I actually had quite a few friends that recently lost parents, you within the last four or five years. So I was,
00:05:20
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:05:23
Jarrod Dyke
As a friend of mine put it, it is the world's shittiest club to belong to.
00:05:31
Jarrod Dyke
and Membership of that is not something that you want to boast about. so But there are there there's there are people out there, and I just i hope people find them if they're in this situation and before things go as bad as they did for poor Mr. Nealon. That's...
00:05:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and and if if you need help, reach out, please.
00:05:47
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:05:49
Jarrod Dyke
Always. Always, always.
00:05:56
Jarrod Dyke
um Oh, yeah. Patreon. let'd say I know I have something else I want to go to.
00:05:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:06:01
Jarrod Dyke
Make sure that you grab our Patreon. We are not far away from dropping the first one for the prem. And depending on timing, I might cook up a surprise to go with it. So we'll see.
00:06:13
Jarrod Dyke
But so that will at least be coming soon. other others Other things, tbd Depends on timing and time in general. But keep your eyes peeled for that. We'll have it soon.
00:06:26
Jarrod Dyke
Thank you.
00:06:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:06:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:06:26
Grumpy Old Prop
we' We're most of the way there. And then now I got to it. I did my, my time to do work starts. So
00:06:34
Jarrod Dyke
You know.
00:06:35
Grumpy Old Prop
I'll get it done. I really hope to have that done this week. So, um, or at least as close to it as possible. So that way I have a week to, to get it ready even to for for publications or so maybe do I have my timing right?
00:06:46
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:06:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, think I do.
00:06:49
Jarrod Dyke
we yeah We got a little bit time here.
00:06:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:06:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, thanks i think Thanksgiving weekend, we go we go back to league play.
00:06:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, we got, yeah.
00:06:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:06:57
Jarrod Dyke
So there you go.
00:06:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Prem. Yeah.
00:07:00
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. International window. um We won't spend a ton of time on the first the the first first game.
00:07:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, okay.
00:07:10
Jarrod Dyke
What's up?
USA vs. Georgia Match Analysis
00:07:11
Jarrod Dyke
What do you got?
00:07:12
Grumpy Old Prop
that's the That's the problem here with this whole fucking weekend. Were there any... i mean, okay. One was... that There was one surprise, I'd say.
00:07:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Everything else, you could have been like, yeah, okay, that's about what I expected. Um... And just that fucking sucks. Like, I think that's just I think that speaks a little poorly to the state of the game.
00:07:36
Grumpy Old Prop
um But anyway, we'll we'll we'll go from there.
00:07:40
Jarrod Dyke
right yeah and i and i i i understand where you're going um again we won't
00:07:40
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Let's let's let's go one by one. And even the surprise wasn't that much of a surprise. You can be like, yeah, that makes sense. And we'll get to that as to why that is when we get there.
00:07:47
Jarrod Dyke
yeah yeah um but the first first game of the of the whole slate, at least for us, was... um
00:07:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Eddie Jones.
00:08:00
Jarrod Dyke
No, before that even.
00:08:03
Jarrod Dyke
Georgia and USA, and...
00:08:05
Grumpy Old Prop
oh yeah that
00:08:07
Jarrod Dyke
Man. I want to believe that there's there was a possibility we're going to win this game, but really, in the end, like, I think we just fooled ourselves, and also, going with a fucking 7-1 split like a moron.
00:08:19
Jarrod Dyke
Lawrence, you're fired.
00:08:20
Grumpy Old Prop
that killed him that that that that literally changed that that
00:08:20
Jarrod Dyke
Like, please...
00:08:25
Grumpy Old Prop
That lost them the game because you had two back three players in the last minute who were like done. They were cooked.
00:08:36
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, Fricker played a half.
00:08:36
Jarrod Dyke
very gassed
00:08:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, here's the thing. The team played well enough to win. That was a great performance by the Eagles um of actual rugby. Very impressive. um And especially a team like what they showed was they could attack well and And they could defend a physical fucking team. That Georgia team is, you know, we know is no joke.
00:08:57
Grumpy Old Prop
um And the U.S.
00:09:00
Jarrod Dyke
Can I point out, can I point out the guy that played 10 was the guy I've been saying have been playing 10 for how long now?
00:09:00
Grumpy Old Prop
did well. Go ahead.
00:09:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. Go ahead. Because that was right.
00:09:11
Jarrod Dyke
Luke Cardy.
00:09:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:09:12
Jarrod Dyke
Cause now I appreciate, and I think Kelsen Beck was the one, was he the one sub on the bench? Am I making that up? No, it wasn't. It was fricking.
00:09:19
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:09:20
Jarrod Dyke
was a halfback.
00:09:21
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:09:21
Jarrod Dyke
Wasn't it?
00:09:22
Grumpy Old Prop
It was. It was ah it was a scrum half. I can't remember.
00:09:24
Jarrod Dyke
Baska. Yes. Baska.
00:09:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Basket, yeah. Michael Basket.
00:09:26
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah, I, uh, I'm pretty sure I said something about that a while ago. and And I want to see Hilson Beck develop, assuming there's something there. And I'm not going to say whether or not there is because I don't know.
00:09:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:09:42
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, we, we you know, AJ is not the guy to lean on right now.
00:09:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, not...
00:09:46
Jarrod Dyke
And we should have been leaning.
00:09:46
Grumpy Old Prop
and Well, not...
00:09:48
Jarrod Dyke
And and that is with the most affection and love possible to AJ because we're very grateful for what he's done.
00:09:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:09:56
Jarrod Dyke
But at the same time, Luke Cardi should have been playing 10 as often as possible for this team. And should be the one steering the whole the ship the whole time. And yeah, he's he is <unk>s their best 10.
00:10:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:10:06
Jarrod Dyke
I don't think there's a question about it after this game.
00:10:11
Grumpy Old Prop
No, definitely.
00:10:11
Jarrod Dyke
so and And Geiger played well.
00:10:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah he did.
00:10:13
Jarrod Dyke
He looked funny in that fucking scrum cap, though.
00:10:14
Grumpy Old Prop
He did.
00:10:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:10:17
Grumpy Old Prop
um No, I thought, you know, it was they really rocked up. They were. the better team that wait, they got the, the Eagles got yellow carded. Right. And it was kind of bullshit.
00:10:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:10:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, if I remember correctly, like, weren't they go, everybody was going for the ball. Yeah. They had two guys like, so there are two Americans, one Georgian was a high ball and everybody's going, everybody's literally going for the ball and there's contact in the air because everybody's going for the ball and they like,
00:10:45
Jarrod Dyke
a As that happens.
00:10:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, as happened, like that's a rugby incident. And take to yellow card that that wasn't like it wasn't one of those. He went into the air to hit somebody. It's he was at the spot like and and they were like the Georgian jumped into it.
00:10:59
Grumpy Old Prop
So the wing from the U.S. has every reason to think he's got ah play for the ball. And if you come running into it, well, okay, that's on you.
00:11:07
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:11:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Even if you get up higher, like you're still coming towards the other team recklessly. So it's like you one of those, you're kind of putting yourself into it. Like you can, you know, you could stay low.
00:11:20
Grumpy Old Prop
You could, you know, look for the, they if they overkick it a little bit, but when you jump into it, you kind of are taking a bit of a risk rather even if you get over a guy and there was, a and you know, I would even, even understood a penalty that made sense, but the yellow was, was ridiculous.
00:11:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:11:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:11:35
Jarrod Dyke
little too much.
00:11:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, so bad
Japan vs. Ireland Match Review
00:11:38
Grumpy Old Prop
call by, by Pierce, but not really the worst of the week, if I remember correctly.
00:11:44
Jarrod Dyke
Probably not, no.
00:11:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, so yeah, that, that, and that really changed the game.
00:11:45
Jarrod Dyke
There's some bad ones otherwise.
00:11:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, which kind of sucks, but overall that's one of those, like I didn't expect to win going in.
00:11:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, so...
00:11:55
Grumpy Old Prop
So I'm not disappointed with the loss. If anything, I'm heartened after last week. It's like, if this team played, you know, it probably would have been like 50 points instead of 80, which that's a big difference.
00:12:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'm going to say 85, and we might scored.
00:12:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. So that makes me ah little feel a little bit better. Like, okay, they can actually play a little bit of rugby. Okay. Do that. do Do that more often and then do it faster because that's really what it comes down to.
00:12:19
Grumpy Old Prop
You can do those things. Okay. Now speed them up, make it more intense.
00:12:22
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Well, and I would say the one thing we could do for ourselves, and I think George is a good match,
00:12:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:12:30
Jarrod Dyke
think the one thing we could do for for ourselves is stop scheduling teams like Spain and Belgium and Portugal. Graham, we've had our issues with Portugal and even Spain.
00:12:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:12:39
Jarrod Dyke
But Island A, All but all Blacks 15, England a things teams like this that are not going to necessarily completely pants us, they'll still pants us, let's be honest.
00:12:40
Grumpy Old Prop
But schedule at Georgia. Yeah.
00:12:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:12:51
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:12:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. But, like, give me an Italy, a Georgia.
00:12:53
Jarrod Dyke
But they could...
00:12:54
Grumpy Old Prop
like Like, these teams that... even you know, like, even Italy. I would rather... i think that would be a ah better matchup. And I think the the Eagles could sneak one out of that. um
00:13:04
Grumpy Old Prop
So, yeah.
00:13:05
Jarrod Dyke
Depending on what we got from on you.
00:13:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, there's...
00:13:09
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:13:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, i think I think the schedulers just need to be a little bit more imaginative, if anything else.
00:13:15
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:13:16
Jarrod Dyke
You know? I don't even think it takes that much imagination, honestly, but clearly they don't have any, so, you know, just moving moving it from zero to one would be nice.
00:13:22
Grumpy Old Prop
it yeah right well I mean, the thing is, maybe Scotland would actually maybe so like Scotland, Scotland won't even pay you for that game or something, you know, almost like, the you know, the college football used to work here where or still does where it's like, OK, we need a game.
00:13:32
Jarrod Dyke
They probably would, yes.
00:13:36
Grumpy Old Prop
um ah you're We're going to wipe the floor with you, but we need to get our guys some some, you know, or our B team, some some run.
00:13:41
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:13:42
Grumpy Old Prop
So that that and I mean, you can't turn your nose up at that, but.
00:13:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:13:47
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:13:48
Grumpy Old Prop
um At least I assume that's what would happen. but Not just, a yeah, come play us.
00:13:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:13:52
Grumpy Old Prop
like
00:13:53
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:13:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Just come get annihilated for for nothing you know earned on your side.
00:13:57
Jarrod Dyke
Imagine not, yeah. Imagine there's a little bit of fairness exchange.
00:13:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:14:01
Jarrod Dyke
i let's let's Let's head over to Dublin. Um...
00:14:09
Jarrod Dyke
i i You know, I'll be the first person to jump on the Bash-Eddie Jones bandwagon.
Scotland vs. New Zealand Tactical Analysis
00:14:14
Jarrod Dyke
Japan didn't deserve this scoreline, for the most part at least. And it was tied at halftime, which was good and deservedly so. I thought they were the more lively of the two teams by ah pretty good margin.
00:14:27
Jarrod Dyke
ah But, yeah, the just, again, inaccuracies, and and as we've talked about with other players, other lower tier teams, just the speed of the game was not, although there's their speed and attack was great, but it's their accuracy is just absolutely freaking killing them.
00:14:43
Jarrod Dyke
Every time there's a, there's a ball error. It's like, Oh God, come on, man.
00:14:43
Grumpy Old Prop
It is.
00:14:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And that's the thing, like where they're, you know, they're, they're catching the ball when Ireland's on them or they're passing it when Ireland's on. So it's really hard to get, you know, feel like you're free. Um, which, you know, obviously that, that's the pressure, you know, that's how it works, but you know, there was, you know, so quite a few unforced errors on, on the Japanese.
00:14:58
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:15:06
Grumpy Old Prop
I think then they have a couple of kicks like out the back. I'm, I think of a different game. Um, I think it was, know where they kept kicking it out the back. ah Um, Japan did, but I could be wrong on that.
00:15:19
Jarrod Dyke
ah they kept kicking it on the full more often than not, and I saw out the back.
00:15:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, that maybe it was that.
00:15:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:15:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Just too many little mistakes that that'll kill you.
00:15:25
Jarrod Dyke
But, yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:15:26
Grumpy Old Prop
And you know, at the same time, this wasn't exactly, it was in many ways, Ireland's a side, but at the same time, like even you were saying like James Ryan shouldn't be, shouldn't be around.
00:15:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and then, you know, you look through their, their halfbacks, although Crowley played ah the heck of a game. Um,
00:15:49
Grumpy Old Prop
uh, Tommy O'Brien, that was a hell of a try. Like, it's cool to see the, you know, the new blood of, of Ireland and they really, you know, they need Tommy and Jimmy to come good because, you know, obviously jacobs yeah Jacob, Jacob's Doctile is not starting for Ireland to get, like, this might be his last, uh, his last, yeah.
00:15:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:16:01
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Osborne.
00:16:07
Jarrod Dyke
This may be his last game for Ireland, let's be honest.
00:16:12
Grumpy Old Prop
So, um, it's not like Japan was getting their, getting their best, but at the same time, you know, just like with, uh,
00:16:16
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:16:19
Grumpy Old Prop
with Scotland, you got to handle what's in front of you. And I thought they had that Japan certainly handled what was in front of them a lot better than the U S did.
00:16:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:16:26
Grumpy Old Prop
So also how cool is it to seem like a leech again?
00:16:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, I think.
00:16:31
Grumpy Old Prop
It's always fun to see him.
00:16:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I know. Old war horse that man is.
00:16:34
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Even if he's like, yeah, even if you know, it's not, not the Michael, not the Michael Leach we, we used to love to watch, but you know, it works that way.
00:16:46
Jarrod Dyke
does. Um. they were talking about there's there was a mass exodus from ah sir australia for some players that are going to be eligible next week and that are likely to be picked for their next game so that'll be interesting to see how that turns out um yeah one or durns might be one of the most well probably the he's the lesser known entity for second rows in the world probably in terms of
00:17:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:17:18
Jarrod Dyke
how many people actually know him than the fact that if I say the warm name Werner Derns, the name, the year not everyone's going to have their ears perk up, but if I show you him, you'll be like, ooh, yeah, that guy.
00:17:30
Jarrod Dyke
So it's it's that type of level where he's at right now, and I think it needs to be ah more of a household name because despite how poor um Japan were executing in this game, he's very good.
00:17:30
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:17:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:17:42
Jarrod Dyke
He's very, very good. he's actually He's actually contracted to the Hurricanes this this coming year too.
00:17:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Shit, I was wondering, I was trying to figure out where he plays. He's 23.
00:17:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he's contracted the Hurricanes this year. That
00:17:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck off.
00:17:56
Jarrod Dyke
being the other thing, he's not very old.
00:17:56
Grumpy Old Prop
23. No, and he's freaking and he's like six, six.
00:17:59
Jarrod Dyke
He's not very old at all. He'll be around for a while.
00:18:02
Grumpy Old Prop
he's So he's 200 centimeters, six, six hundred twenty two kilograms. Fuck off.
00:18:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he's like a white Sadiqa. Like, he's he's he's ah he's a...
00:18:11
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:18:14
Jarrod Dyke
And his skill... And I remember when I first saw him, I was like, oh, that's a tall drink right there. and But his skills were definitely lacking.
00:18:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:18:21
Jarrod Dyke
I think it was pretty obvious. His size was something that was obviously God-given, and that's just how it is. um
00:18:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:18:27
Jarrod Dyke
But you don't ignore that and by any means. But he has done a good job of developing his skills because, you know, you think...
00:18:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:18:34
Jarrod Dyke
he will he won't Maybe he will be, but he's not Arja Snaman. but he has the potential to have a similar skill set and, you know, to be as much of a threat in terms of those things.
00:18:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:18:45
Jarrod Dyke
So I'm i'm glad he's developed his skill set a little bit more. And um I think the move to the Hurricanes is actually going to him a ton of good, and they'll do them good too.
00:18:56
Jarrod Dyke
So looking forward to that.
00:18:59
Jarrod Dyke
But any the other, anyway, um yeah, and good for Tom Farrell getting his getting his first cap.
00:19:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Bet you are.
00:19:06
Jarrod Dyke
Congratulations, bud. A lot of people in the UR that are fans of the URC will say it's been a long time coming. And ah you can see what he's got. He's 32. He's thirty two he's ah easily little too old to really turn into anything much.
00:19:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:19:18
Jarrod Dyke
But you you'll love. i'm I'm okay with this type of game being this case for a 30-plus-year-old. the you I've criticized the U.S. for giving guys caps. But they plan on using those guys for another 10 years until they're 40. That's my problem with that.
00:19:34
Jarrod Dyke
I'm not sure Tom Farrell is getting much more run.
00:19:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's right.
00:19:36
Jarrod Dyke
But, you know. i would ah i'm i'm glad he's got his I'm glad he's got his here. so
00:19:44
Jarrod Dyke
ah Let's go to Murray Field. First of all, fuck you, Peacock and NBC Sports.
00:19:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, yeah.
00:19:55
Jarrod Dyke
ah Really?
00:19:56
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
Critique of Rugby Broadcasting
00:19:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Didn't you love that that anthem?
00:19:57
Jarrod Dyke
Skipped over anthems. Yeah.
00:19:59
Grumpy Old Prop
the the The Flower Scotland was beautiful.
00:19:59
Jarrod Dyke
kept over the anthems
00:20:01
Grumpy Old Prop
and No, wait. We didn't get to see it. We barely got to... like They came in.
00:20:03
Jarrod Dyke
a
00:20:05
Grumpy Old Prop
The Hakkas already started and they came into the the coverage. And it's like, we gotta look at fucking...
00:20:10
Jarrod Dyke
shut Corbs and Hightower up, please.
00:20:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
00:20:14
Jarrod Dyke
God, like, you both, you both, he
00:20:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Remember when Corpse was actually... Like I said it last week too. When he used to be good, but he fucking sucks now.
00:20:20
Jarrod Dyke
sucks. you say You both fucking suck now. Like, shut up and go away permanently. Like, honestly, you could pay me half of what you pay Corbs, and I bet you I'd get i'd do better.
00:20:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:20:30
Jarrod Dyke
Like, let's go, please.
00:20:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like he he literally reads like somebody scripted it for him like that. But he it's almost like a hostage video now because he's especially how smiley he is.
00:20:39
Jarrod Dyke
The both of them, really.
00:20:40
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like. Well, I mean, Hightower's like set up sucks and he just doesn't have anything to say.
00:20:45
Jarrod Dyke
He's a moron.
00:20:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Somebody has to script it for him, I'm sure. um
00:20:49
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, I don't doubt that.
00:20:50
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just platitudes. It's so many platitudes. It's just nothing.
00:20:53
Jarrod Dyke
who
00:20:53
Grumpy Old Prop
It's there's nothing. And it's like we got to see that instead of the the anthems and, you know, the whole Haka like.
00:21:01
Jarrod Dyke
they bring They bring no actual critical analysis to the game.
00:21:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:04
Jarrod Dyke
They just...
00:21:04
Grumpy Old Prop
No, none.
00:21:06
Grumpy Old Prop
None.
00:21:06
Jarrod Dyke
talk out their ass about absolutely nothing
00:21:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Austin Healy brings more to the the game than they do combined.
00:21:13
Jarrod Dyke
that is terrifying that is terrifying that that that if you're not on on the ball on this stuff you should go look at that and just be appalled
00:21:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Like Austin Healy every so often, you know.
00:21:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. So it's not, it's, it's not Festivus yet, but um like Austin Healy, as much as we give him shit, like,
00:21:35
Grumpy Old Prop
once every few games actually shits out something that you're like, that's exactly right. And that's great analysis. And then you're actually seeing the game.
00:21:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, because I've done it.
00:21:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, that's awesome.
00:21:43
Jarrod Dyke
I can tell you for a fact I've done it These two idiots?
00:21:47
Grumpy Old Prop
And nothing, nothing like that.
00:21:48
Jarrod Dyke
Definitely not. No, not at all.
00:21:51
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's, yeah, it's like, they, they just talk about the names they know it's, it's shit. And it's like, okay, I get it. Yes. There's players that you like already. Sivia is good. And yes, he will be key to the wind. Yep.
00:22:03
Grumpy Old Prop
or a win for New Zealand, you think? Fuck.
00:22:06
Jarrod Dyke
ah The sky is also blue.
00:22:07
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't need you to...
00:22:08
Jarrod Dyke
So what ah what else you got there?
00:22:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. yeah like
00:22:11
Jarrod Dyke
Jesus. No shit, Sherlock.
00:22:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:22:15
Jarrod Dyke
Goddamn.
00:22:15
Grumpy Old Prop
I ah certainly don't want to see the anthems at Murrayfield. um I want to see that.
00:22:18
Jarrod Dyke
No. I got an armband with you for you. It says Captain On.
00:22:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:22:22
Jarrod Dyke
It's for you being Captain Obvious, you fucking idiot.
00:22:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Now, okay. Now I'm going to take that and focus it on game energy in a similar way, and in an analogous way.
00:22:35
Grumpy Old Prop
that perform that production by NBC Sports and Peacock and Corbis and the other asshole um is the equivalent of going for three late in the game versus the All Blacks just to tie it up.
00:22:35
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:22:53
Jarrod Dyke
I couldn't believe they did that. I was like, oh, no, you're not doing this. Why are you playing to tie?
00:22:57
Grumpy Old Prop
And this, no, but this is why I fucking hate test rugby.
00:23:02
Jarrod Dyke
yep.
00:23:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Because you get coaches making test decisions where, oh, you got to build the scoreboard.
00:23:02
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:23:07
Grumpy Old Prop
You just take the points when they're there. without And we'll come to the exact opposite of that in a little bit, which was a test of the proper fucking test match. Because you know what? Both those teams weren't playing test rugby. And in this case, Scotland played test rugby. The comeback on the fucking All Blacks, you give them ah ah seventeen point halftime lead.
00:23:31
Grumpy Old Prop
you come And you get there, you're within three points, and you're like, let's fucking tie it up with 10 minutes to go, or 20 minutes to go.
00:23:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Because as as I said to to you, if if if you, you know, like we can go back in the texts.
00:23:42
Jarrod Dyke
It's Finn fucking Russell.
00:23:49
Grumpy Old Prop
i can I can go back to the time it was when Satiti was getting was in the process of getting his yellow card.
00:23:50
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:23:53
Grumpy Old Prop
I text Jared because, you know, this whole thing has been happening. I'm like, you know the All Blacks are going to score at least one more, even with the yellow card.
00:24:01
Jarrod Dyke
One more. Mm-hmm.
00:24:03
Grumpy Old Prop
They're going to score one more.
00:24:03
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:24:04
Grumpy Old Prop
So you better, this kickoff, they're the kick for points. You better know for certain that you're getting back down there.
00:24:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And they they didn't.
00:24:13
Jarrod Dyke
See, don't think they did.
00:24:13
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's, that was poor.
00:24:16
Jarrod Dyke
Sadly. Yeah.
00:24:18
Grumpy Old Prop
um But that's Test Rugby.
00:24:19
Jarrod Dyke
I mean...
00:24:19
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, that's George Ford Rugby. That's why, that's why even in the England game, it's like, but how does that do against the fucking All Blacks who are playing to win a game?
00:24:22
Jarrod Dyke
It
00:24:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no shit. I'm... yeah I'm so sad, but for the whole thing, cause like, oh, well he can hit that. Yeah. It's been Russell. He's one of the, he's actually one of the best kickers in the world.
00:24:38
Jarrod Dyke
Now he wasn't for a while, but he is now like he can hit, ah hit it from a lot of fucking places.
00:24:39
Grumpy Old Prop
right
England vs. Fiji Match Insights
00:24:44
Jarrod Dyke
Don't sit there and say, oh, it's, you know, because he can hit it. Well, that doesn't actually validate the decision.
00:24:48
Grumpy Old Prop
you know thing is with his accuracy though he can also hit the corner he could hit that the you know he could hit from there the five meter line so do that and again there was a perfect counter example of a team doing that and it it won them the game um
00:24:56
Jarrod Dyke
Five meter line. Yep. I agree. i agree.
00:25:08
Jarrod Dyke
who
00:25:10
Grumpy Old Prop
So, yeah, it's just that's, you know, this is why Northern Hemisphere or rugby and and te and this is why it just makes test rugby so fucking boring. I mean, it was an exciting game.
00:25:21
Grumpy Old Prop
That's the problem. It's an exciting game, but they're just like, there's not this play to win. It's who can play the best game of test rugby in the Southern Hemisphere is like, I want to win a game of rugby.
00:25:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:25:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going to play the best rugby, rugby, not not test rugby.
00:25:34
Jarrod Dyke
Right. but Right, right.
00:25:36
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going to play rugby rugby and see how it works out.
00:25:38
Jarrod Dyke
mm-hmm yeah and i i was thinking weird and i was thinking about and i was talking about it with the guys in the autumn nations chat um thank you again aiden for being the real hero about the whole for the whole fantasy thing um But, i'm so ah you know, we were discussing, like, guys coming off the bench and, like, DMACC against tired legs sounds usually sounds pretty good, especially if he doesn't play 10.
00:26:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:26:07
Jarrod Dyke
He ends up coming on at 15, I'm pretty sure. So it worked out quite well, to say the least. And I'm...
00:26:17
Grumpy Old Prop
He looked like shit at the end of the game, though.
00:26:19
Jarrod Dyke
I know, he was so banged up between that that shit, but it was hilarious.
00:26:22
Grumpy Old Prop
that's ah that's a that's but it's and it's that's a proper, like, he played a game of rugby, that dude.
00:26:24
Jarrod Dyke
so
00:26:29
Grumpy Old Prop
um He came on for Caleb Clark. So, yeah, Bowdoin played the whole game.
00:26:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:26:33
Grumpy Old Prop
um So yeah, he came on for... yeah And okay, also, how lucky is Leroy Carter though?
00:26:37
Jarrod Dyke
To play fullback. Yep, there you go.
00:26:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, was that... I thought trips were automatic red, but that's...
00:26:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:26:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Maybe they changed.
00:26:47
Jarrod Dyke
No, they're yellow. They're yellows.
00:26:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:26:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they were probably, I think they were reds like 15 years ago, honestly. Like, it's been a while since they changed that.
00:26:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, fuck you.
00:26:56
Jarrod Dyke
Um, I'm just saying, I'm just saying it's been like every time I've, I can recall a trip, it's been a yellow.
00:26:57
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know. 15 years ago? Shut up.
00:27:06
Jarrod Dyke
So that's no, if there was there, I believe there was a point in time where there are reds, but they're, they're yellows now.
00:27:08
Grumpy Old Prop
it's like uh
00:27:12
Jarrod Dyke
So they're automatic. Um,
00:27:12
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah no it's like we went to your boys football game and they were kicking off the football you know nfl or well um american football game and uh what was it they were kicking off on a tee and it's like no no no no you drop kick it now what the hell where are you been damn it and there i am doing that
00:27:18
Jarrod Dyke
the American football variation,
00:27:24
Jarrod Dyke
guys um Once upon a time they did once upon a time that, um, out of way. Uh, yeah. Uh, let's see. Um, yeah, it's so, and yeah, especially to your point about the kicking for, yeah, we have satiti going to the bin and, and,
00:27:51
Jarrod Dyke
Whether or not that happens without Finn kicking the penalty, honestly, it doesn't matter. You have your tails up. You have your tails up. And we talked about it the other week with's with Ireland.
00:27:59
Grumpy Old Prop
yep
00:28:01
Jarrod Dyke
Like, your tails are up. You clearly have the momentum. Like, take that tank Uncle Mo and ride it ti write it into the ground.
00:28:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. hmm.
00:28:11
Jarrod Dyke
Like, please. Because you had you needed, as to your point, you needed... really four tries and you gotten four tries, you probably would have won game.
00:28:22
Jarrod Dyke
you needed at least one more without a doubt to even be with, to have a puncher's chance. And yeah, you just, and and I gotta believe, cause because,
00:28:31
Grumpy Old Prop
like that's right hard that Oh, that's right. he missed the, yeah hold on. Sorry. I, I lost track of it. Was it a ah penalty goal that really put it away? Yeah, it was penalty goal. Okay. Yeah.
00:28:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. That's right. Cause McKenzie didn't convert or his, yeah, he didn't convert his own try, but fuck.
00:28:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no, it was a penalty right at the end there.
00:28:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:28:49
Jarrod Dyke
um But yeah, you got to believe because Finn Russell is who he is, the Maverick in him says, I really want go for the try here. So you got to know that's coming from the sideline.
00:29:01
Jarrod Dyke
Or at least I don't have a reason to believe otherwise.
00:29:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, exactly. i No, I would not 0% put that on Finn. I think the Scotland you know this sco coaching, or as soon as they got that penalty, like, yeah, go, tie this game up. And it's like...
00:29:15
Grumpy Old Prop
because so I'm going to go back to literally fucking rugby 101. What we were taught the first thing of rugby coaching in the shitty U.S. course that we got.
00:29:28
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:29:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And it was the two things that matter most in rugby are possession and territory.
00:29:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And the thing is, that's the way the All Blacks play. Like, it's not just about like going for the tribe as a one singular effort. Right? That's not how...
00:29:47
Grumpy Old Prop
rugby works. It's you go to the corner and if you don't get it, even if you get a penalty, right, they're kicking up, they're going to be around midfield, like they maybe they kick it, yeah, that kind of sucks. So don't, you know, don't give away a penalty.
00:29:59
Grumpy Old Prop
That's the only thing you have to do is, you know, don't fuck up the ruck, keep pounding on them, make them give up penalties. And even if you don't score the first one, even you don't score the second one, even if they, you turn it over, right, even if you knock it on, they're going to boot it away into touch and then you're still you know near the 22.
00:30:18
Jarrod Dyke
It's
00:30:19
Grumpy Old Prop
You're still down in that territory. You're still, you know, another penalty away from being right down on the goal line again. Like, but that's like the, what I'm describing is like 10 to 15 minutes.
00:30:31
Grumpy Old Prop
If you, if you don't do it right, you didn't, you know, if it takes you the long way around, that's 10 to 15.
00:30:36
Jarrod Dyke
a lot work.
00:30:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Now instead of, and but now you're, now you're up by four
00:30:42
Grumpy Old Prop
with five minutes left. And at that point,
00:30:44
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:30:46
Grumpy Old Prop
you're you're feeling now that the all blacks are in panic mode and you just have to make your tackles and that's it.
00:30:53
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:30:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's, that's how you like that. And that's again, why test rugby pisses me off. Cause man, it's like, you know you, you wanted to put like, and you put them in the box and you're not playing the the best possible rugby at all.
00:31:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Fucking dislike it.
00:31:10
Jarrod Dyke
mean, you gotta...
00:31:12
Grumpy Old Prop
There's no, there's no soul for the game in there.
00:31:16
Jarrod Dyke
No, I agree. You gotta believe that there's... That's a shitty call, Bryce. um You got to believe.
00:31:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, he made several.
00:31:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I know you made several. um I've already seen a couple them. All Blacks getting three yellows and you don't come away with a win. There's an issue. And you're in your tier one team and everyone's well, it's Colin.
00:31:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:31:41
Jarrod Dyke
There's good players across this 23. Like, don't sit there and say that. Like, there are too many good players across this 23.
00:31:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:31:47
Jarrod Dyke
I love the way Ashman played in this game. um
00:31:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:31:50
Jarrod Dyke
Gregor Brown had a stormer. I was like, wow, OK, that happened.
00:31:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:31:53
Jarrod Dyke
um Although I wouldn't put Matt.
00:31:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Dempsey had a stormer. Dempsey was was amazing this game.
00:31:57
Jarrod Dyke
I wouldn't put Matt Ferguson at seven, but yeah, so you know, maybe rejig that one. um
00:32:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:32:03
Jarrod Dyke
But then, yeah, but the back line is really, that back line is really good. Like, and with your subs.
00:32:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Hutch played his ass off. Yeah.
00:32:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. With your subs, don you know, and also go with a five, three, please. It'll help you. um
00:32:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:32:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Bayless and Darge on the bench and Matt Ferguson on starting is backwards. So pick, fix that.
00:32:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:32:23
Jarrod Dyke
But other that, like you do have really screaming.
00:32:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:32:26
Jarrod Dyke
Obviously, he's he's a lion. He's a very good player. There's a reason.
00:32:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm
00:32:31
Jarrod Dyke
There's a lot here to like. So like with the with three yellow cards against the All Blacks, you got to put it away at home.
00:32:38
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm. Yeah.
00:32:40
Jarrod Dyke
You got to put it away.
00:32:40
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:32:42
Jarrod Dyke
You got to put it away.
00:32:47
Grumpy Old Prop
But, you know, again, what happened was you kick the the points and then you get, yeah, you get the card, but like, I feel like the, the all blacks just maintain that possession and territory, which is why they ended up scoring.
00:33:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Like even with 14, because again, Hey, let's just kick it away.
00:33:03
Jarrod Dyke
I did. Yep.
00:33:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, right.
00:33:10
Jarrod Dyke
oh All right, let's go to London.
00:33:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Anywho.
00:33:15
Jarrod Dyke
Another example of the score flattered England, I would say. um i think there were some very good performances from England, no doubt.
00:33:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah, it was.
Italy vs. Australia Match Discussion
00:33:26
Jarrod Dyke
But again, I think there was just some slight inaccuracies from the Fijians that did amend.
00:33:26
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:33:32
Jarrod Dyke
And that was just enough. And yeah, I don't think this was a 20 point margin. I think that's very flattering of England.
00:33:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Right now, I mean, obviously just got away from it everything, got away in the the last um last quarter of the game, especially, you know, the two is over yellow.
00:33:50
Jarrod Dyke
yeah like up and
00:33:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Even though.
00:33:51
Jarrod Dyke
I still thought Williams should have given a warning personally.
00:33:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um i Yeah. I don't know. There were I just i thought the penalty count was was building, but.
00:34:04
Jarrod Dyke
It was, but you know this does even if it's one of those half-ass warnings, like, you know hey, next one's going to go. And and maybe you don't give him a minute to talk, which I don't like either, but like at least you've told him, hey, next one's going to go.
00:34:13
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:34:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:19
Jarrod Dyke
And they didn't he didn't even really get to that point.
00:34:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:22
Jarrod Dyke
So it's like, you know, because you know most teams will have their ears on and be like, okay, all right, let's stop fucking around so we don't go get a goddamn yellow again.
00:34:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:31
Grumpy Old Prop
I will say it was a very, i mean, I liked what England did, you know, as much as talked about, you know, test rugby, I felt like this wasn't exactly that, but i I also feel like England, and you could tell from the lineup what their intent was.
00:34:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And I thought it worked well. And that was, we are just going and like, I thought they did well to bash Fiji, but in space, which is what you need to do.
00:34:57
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Right.
00:34:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, Chandler Cunningham South, I texted you, he he like he reminded me of old school Billy in that match. He was getting the ball and he was a problem to take down.
00:35:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Always getting front football.
00:35:11
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:35:12
Grumpy Old Prop
a couple line breaks, it felt like. um
00:35:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, you have my attention, sir. like i that
00:35:20
Jarrod Dyke
right
00:35:20
Grumpy Old Prop
That was a, you know, we know England are looking for an eight and ah he feels more like a six or a lock, but he does have that speed. And if he can play like that, Hmm. Maybe.
00:35:34
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:35:34
Jarrod Dyke
So, to your point...
00:35:35
Grumpy Old Prop
But then three three front row tries. So it's both hookers and and a prop.
00:35:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, beats me.
00:35:39
Grumpy Old Prop
And Itoji's try was basically the similar. So we'll flop over.
00:35:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. ah and Nothing crazy about those. so um
00:35:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:35:47
Jarrod Dyke
To your point in their attack, and this is... And talk about in space. Their top carriers, um all of which had nine or more, were Earl, because he's a workhorse and doesn't know anything but do that.
00:35:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:36:03
Jarrod Dyke
Marcus, Faye Woboso, Freeman, Dingwall.
00:36:09
Jarrod Dyke
So they're giving the ball air, to say the least.
00:36:11
Grumpy Old Prop
hey
00:36:13
Jarrod Dyke
So that is that is a good thing. i challenge Borthwick in England to be brave enough to do that, not against Fiji, against almost anybody else.
00:36:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:36:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm
00:36:28
Jarrod Dyke
i yeah I think they got Japan this week, so that's going to be ah kind of a wash, unfortunately, unless Eddie comes in and gives them a shit sandwich to eat, which one I would kind of laugh at, honestly. um
00:36:40
Jarrod Dyke
But I would challenge them to do that in, I think it's two weeks time that they're going to play New Zealand, like.
00:36:46
Grumpy Old Prop
and Oh, can we also talk about how hilarious, how i didn't and didn't text you about it. um but I don't remember, did you watch this that live?
00:36:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Were you texting? Yeah, we I can't remember.
00:36:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:37:00
Grumpy Old Prop
um Curry's line break.
00:37:05
Jarrod Dyke
Oh god.
00:37:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm immediately like, oh my God, I can't wait to see how he fucks it up. And you know what he did?
00:37:10
Jarrod Dyke
I fucked it up.
00:37:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Didn't he throw it right to a Fijian player?
00:37:13
Jarrod Dyke
I think so.
00:37:16
Jarrod Dyke
I think so. Yeah, i was like, and pretty much any other player finishes that but but Tom Curry.
00:37:18
Grumpy Old Prop
And I'm just like, oh, got it. Saw it coming. Clock that.
00:37:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. yeah Pepper...
00:37:27
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:37:29
Jarrod Dyke
Pollock, Earl.
00:37:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Pepper played it plapro played a pretty good game. Even though, I mean, he didn't get many carries, but that's not...
00:37:33
Jarrod Dyke
He's been, he's had no carries. Like he's doing nothing in attack. But, and again, I feel like that is on the, the coaching staff.
00:37:39
Grumpy Old Prop
But that's... a like ah and but that yeah I think that's the position a little bit. But... B, um the difference between ah Pepper and ah Tom Curry is that if you actually ever did give Pepper the ball, he would do awesome shit with it.
00:38:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, it's not that he can't. It's that, yeah, he had two carries.
00:38:06
Grumpy Old Prop
And how... Hold on. how How long did he play in the game?
00:38:10
Jarrod Dyke
um He got subbed off on that with that massive...
00:38:12
Grumpy Old Prop
He played 50 minutes. 53 minutes. Um...
00:38:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:38:14
Grumpy Old Prop
fifty-three minutes um So, yeah, that was I thought and I thought he played 53 impactful minutes. He he was a tackle machine. It felt like.
00:38:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, but the I still am worried that that's what they're hammering into his head in camp.
00:38:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:38:36
Jarrod Dyke
Like, tackle tackle and do nothing else. Like, have you watched the guy play for Bath? The guy does so much more than that and can be a threat and attack.
00:38:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:38:46
Jarrod Dyke
hes This is is a guy that's won player of the match in the final.
00:38:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:38:52
Jarrod Dyke
Remember that. He's won player the match in the the Prem final. like And it's not because he tackle just because he tackled. It's because he can do everything. You have him out there because he can do everything.
00:39:04
Jarrod Dyke
Let him... fucking do everything for fuck's sake bortho god damn i still have no faith in this man i'm sorry like even after ah even after an uplifting performance like this where it looked like they gave the ball some air it's still you look at it under a microscope it's like there's still a problem and i can't get behind it when you have this much fucking talent at your at your disposal i'm sorry
00:39:14
Grumpy Old Prop
you're not wrong. mean,
00:39:32
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah oh it's still I mean there's still the elements of te like even with the selections and that's that's great like this was a you know I obviously
France vs. South Africa Match Highlights
00:39:42
Grumpy Old Prop
don't really need to see Dingwall um out there in in a proper test match but give me the rest of that back line yes um
00:39:44
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:39:55
Grumpy Old Prop
And then actually, you know what, that, that forward pack outside of the hookers. And again, the, um, the, the, um, six, two, you know, you you can just drop Tom Curry off there. He doesn't need to be out there.
00:40:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, Henry Pollock, cause that's good.
00:40:09
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:40:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Ben Spencer. Yep. Arundel. Yeah. But maybe he starts over failure. So, um, and then bring true.
00:40:18
Jarrod Dyke
I'm alright with them competing for that shirt, honestly.
00:40:21
Grumpy Old Prop
That's fair. Um, uh,
00:40:23
Jarrod Dyke
You know.
00:40:26
Grumpy Old Prop
i I just didn't, you know, we didn't. He scored a try. Yes. um But I didn't see the the spark we usually get from favorable. So maybe he's just still feeling it out at that level.
00:40:33
Jarrod Dyke
No, I agree.
00:40:34
Grumpy Old Prop
But
00:40:35
Jarrod Dyke
I agree with that.
00:40:38
Grumpy Old Prop
but then you have another back, like you have another center out there. Like that's.
00:40:43
Jarrod Dyke
Not Henry Slade, please.
00:40:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:40:44
Jarrod Dyke
Jesus.
00:40:45
Grumpy Old Prop
No, you don't need Henry Slade. um But you've got enough options. Pick a good one um and and do it that way because you already have two 10s out there. I love that.
00:40:55
Grumpy Old Prop
I love the Smith setup. I think that's their best option. So like there's there's a lot to like about it, but it's just there's still that test rugby aspect as you're saying of, okay, Pepper, your job is to go smash the other team when they have the ball.
00:41:02
Jarrod Dyke
On that. Good.
00:41:11
Grumpy Old Prop
That sucks.
00:41:12
Jarrod Dyke
not ah And that's it. And that's it. that's all they're basically giving him permission to do.
00:41:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:16
Jarrod Dyke
um On the Smiths, people love to shit on Marcus Smith, as we've established before, for whatever stupid fucking reason, because people are helmets. I don't care. doesn't matter.
00:41:26
Grumpy Old Prop
because they're old and he's not.
00:41:27
Jarrod Dyke
what's What I think is overlooked, and maybe he has given it, it's fair to say that we we kind of know that Marcus does not like playing fullback.
00:41:37
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe he doesn't hate it, but he doesn't love it by any means whatsoever.
00:41:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:41:41
Jarrod Dyke
and he I think that's fair to say. And he does not get enough credit for ponying up and say, fuck it. I'm still going to do my job and do it damn well. And, you know, and he he's got he he could be he could he could go out there and just have a huge whinge in the media.
00:41:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I'm going to be your best 15. If you're going to put me at 15, I'm going to be the best one.
00:41:57
Jarrod Dyke
And he doesn't.
00:41:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:41:58
Jarrod Dyke
And then that's kind of what rugby is. Rugby won't do that in general. But he could. And there's things are changing nowadays where he he could do it and get away with it and not have a huge issue.
00:42:03
Grumpy Old Prop
He's not Ford.
00:42:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:42:09
Jarrod Dyke
You know, and people might agree with him.
00:42:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:42:11
Jarrod Dyke
But he's still just, you know, he's putting on that 15 kit and giving his damn best. And it's really, really fucking good, as you pointed out.
00:42:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:42:19
Jarrod Dyke
like So while those that are pouring the shit on Marcus Smith, take a little bit of the shit and put it back inside you. Because you need to give this man some credit for just doing what's asked to him and not really saying boo.
00:42:36
Jarrod Dyke
He doesn't love it. but he's more than happy to do his job for this team because he is that selfless of a player.
00:42:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:42:45
Jarrod Dyke
So throw that out there.
00:42:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Also, you know, I said nice things about him, but Oz went off on this rant at some point about, you know, if it was, if it was Ford out there instead of Finn Smith, like he'd have him play this way. and And then, and it's just that experience that you really need in ah and ah and a test team.
00:43:03
Grumpy Old Prop
and And I just don't know that Finn's there. He's certainly not on the level of George Ford. And it's like, Shut the fuck up.
00:43:09
Jarrod Dyke
One went to Australia this um this past summer, one didn't.
00:43:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, George Ford is... Like...
00:43:12
Jarrod Dyke
Let's just point that out.
00:43:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Like, shut up. Like, just shut your mouth.
00:43:16
Jarrod Dyke
Fucking idiot.
00:43:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Fucking helmet. Like, we get it. you're You're friends with him and his dad. Like, great. Nobody gives a fuck.
00:43:26
Jarrod Dyke
Dad's an asshole.
00:43:26
Grumpy Old Prop
He's not... His dad's an asshole. He kind of sucks.
00:43:29
Jarrod Dyke
Would not be gloating that, that's for sure.
00:43:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Right.
00:43:34
Jarrod Dyke
No, no, no.
00:43:34
Grumpy Old Prop
um Because, you know, you also wouldn't have seen that that the Fay Waboso try or the Arundel try. It would have just been the the um Genge and Cowan Dickey and George and Morrow tries.
00:43:47
Grumpy Old Prop
That's all they would score with with someone like Ford.
00:43:49
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:43:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Also, they wouldn't score that many because there'd be too many penalty cases at goal.
00:43:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. I do want to get into one thing with Fiji and then we'll move on.
00:43:54
Grumpy Old Prop
But, yeah.
00:43:57
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:44:00
Jarrod Dyke
Poor Peter Gus. I feel like he he just got absolutely done dirty by the All Blacks because watching him in this game, like they didn't need him.
00:44:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Certainly.
00:44:09
Jarrod Dyke
Of course, when the when the black shirt calls, you don't say no.
00:44:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:44:13
Jarrod Dyke
Like, it's just one of those things. But I feel like if they he was truly not in their plans going forward, they did him dirty here, and they should have said, you know what?
00:44:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:44:24
Jarrod Dyke
you You are not going to be in our future.
00:44:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:44:28
Jarrod Dyke
we would give you a black shirt, but at the same time, I think you'll be better off just not getting tied to us, and you can play for who you see fit.
00:44:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:44:35
Jarrod Dyke
And obviously, that would lead him to playing for Fiji. So he's been robbed of a handful of... Vigian caps at the minimum, at the minimum. And he looked great in this game, honestly. he was He was everywhere and just making life hard in space because that's what he does. He's very good at that.
00:44:55
Jarrod Dyke
And shit, we were we were robbed as rugby fans of not seeing more Peter Gus in the Flying Vigian shirt.
00:44:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:45:03
Jarrod Dyke
So and that that put that one I put on Fozzie.
00:45:06
Grumpy Old Prop
but Another...
00:45:06
Jarrod Dyke
So fuck Fozzie for that.
00:45:07
Grumpy Old Prop
another It's another reason why the um island teams are so key in in super rugby now. um
00:45:14
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:45:14
Grumpy Old Prop
you know Keep some guys in their home country. They can still play and and earn a living. and um you know Even if they're tempted by the All Blacks, they can be like, oh, wait. i have but know still My team is on the come. like This is a good Fiji team still. they're They no but keep getting better.
00:45:35
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's, you know, it it's just this is one of the best teams in in the the world that they're playing.
00:45:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we got a lot of talent across from there. Not that they don't have it too, but yeah.
00:45:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right.
00:45:48
Jarrod Dyke
Always fun to see guys like Maui and my ah Man out of Anua just talking about the current teammates, old teammates, Revolvo. You know, like, yep, because obviously they a lot of these guys either played or played play or played with a lot of the English guys.
00:45:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep. Did you see the... ah
00:46:04
Grumpy Old Prop
did you see the video on um from Saracens? They did it. up They put it out on Tik TOK. I'm not sure if they did it on other platforms with, um, someone was teaching some of the, I guess it might've been Ben Earl and Jamie George, something like that.
00:46:16
Jarrod Dyke
Some of the Fijian lingo. Yep, I saw that. yeah, yeah.
00:46:18
Grumpy Old Prop
regg and the Yeah.
00:46:18
Jarrod Dyke
yeah I did see that.
00:46:20
Grumpy Old Prop
And I'm like, I really want to know what he's telling them to say. Cause they never really said it. And I don't think it was good luck.
00:46:26
Jarrod Dyke
but ah Probably not.
00:46:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I get, I get the distinct feeling. It was not good luck.
00:46:31
Jarrod Dyke
No, probably wasn't.
00:46:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:46:34
Jarrod Dyke
No, it probably wasn't. um Okay, let let's go over to Italy. So first... before we get entirely into the match, although it's obviously going to have plenty to do with it.
00:46:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:46:47
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:46:51
Jarrod Dyke
Honestly, this is what I've been talking about when it comes to, um
00:46:58
Jarrod Dyke
when it comes to Italian rugby, like, and they've been doing a really good job of it. They need to get the the rugby into the north of the country where, where their, where their clubs are.
00:47:10
Jarrod Dyke
And, and, and, I don't think they have any matches this this November scheduled for Rome, which is good. And I know that's where their rugby HQ is, but they they very very much like they very they very much like the U.S.
00:47:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. They're going on the road. They're taking.
00:47:25
Jarrod Dyke
are playing their rugby at home at their quote-unquote home stadium, which is a very bad spot for them. think that's fair to say. Because, yeah, this is yeah this is way up in the mountains.
00:47:35
Grumpy Old Prop
But they're taking it on the road this this fall. So, yeah. I mean.
00:47:40
Jarrod Dyke
they're way up and They're way up in the mountains. I think they're in Turin next.
00:47:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:47:45
Jarrod Dyke
And then either Genoa or Bologna then after that. So that's that's great.
00:47:50
Grumpy Old Prop
bology Yeah.
00:47:51
Jarrod Dyke
That's great for for them. And yes, they're going to probably play two really tough teams that are probably going to give them a good whacking. But...
00:47:59
Grumpy Old Prop
but But the thing is, the thing about Italian rugby is you never know.
00:48:06
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:48:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, the they can put together a perfect performance and everybody, including them, are like, we don't know where this is fucking coming from. just We're just going to enjoy it while we're here. The other team's like, fuck, everybody's going to be talking about us as to be lost to Italy.
00:48:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Like it's some, you know, but it's not the way it used to be.
00:48:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah,
00:48:23
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not Italy of four or five years ago. And it's certainly not, that's not to say this is the Italy of four to five years from now. Cause I think, you know, when the world cup comes to the U S if it does, but the, the, the current, the world cup that's currently slated to come to the U S I would believe that, um, Italy is going to be a major factor.
00:48:45
Jarrod Dyke
right.
00:48:46
Grumpy Old Prop
at that World Cup.
00:48:47
Jarrod Dyke
yeah right
00:48:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Just, you know, that team is, is is can be, can be dirty.
00:48:52
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed.
00:48:54
Jarrod Dyke
This...
00:48:57
Grumpy Old Prop
um That, ah like, Ioani and Lina, that's just right there. um And Caputo.
00:49:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Caputo, yeah.
00:49:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Filth.
00:49:09
Jarrod Dyke
and
00:49:09
Grumpy Old Prop
But the same time, the same is true of the Aussies, right? they're They're kind of... That's why this was a surprise that Italy won. Because right now, Australia, I would call the better team. I thought Australia was going to win. But there's always that... Like, you know, Italy can jump up.
00:49:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Australia's not perfect. um
00:49:25
Jarrod Dyke
No, they're not as consistent as like the as they will be at some point.
00:49:25
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, Carter...
00:49:28
Jarrod Dyke
They're not.
00:49:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Exactly. Like, they are... They're going... I think they're going in the right direction. I like the way they're playing. And I like the players that they're choosing.
00:49:34
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:49:35
Grumpy Old Prop
But they're just a little... green for now. um You know, aside from from Jake Gordon. um
00:49:43
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Right.
00:49:45
Grumpy Old Prop
So they still got to, you know, they still got to work there at the nine position. But other than that, this is a solid team all around.
00:49:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, ah I mean, i will say, knowing what we know about what's going on with Rugby Australia, I can't say I'm overly convinced that what happened, that buying, paying so much money for Carter Gordon to come back was really worth it.
00:50:13
Jarrod Dyke
And I know, I know he scored and yeah he looked art he looked pretty good, but like.
00:50:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Well, I think they've... That's the other thing is they've they've seen Tane Edbend and they're obviously...
00:50:25
Jarrod Dyke
unconvinced by it and they but they all they have they don't have their best options available right now. Lilliceo's not available.
00:50:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:50:31
Jarrod Dyke
Lina's not available. like you You don't want to roll out James O'Connor more than you have to because he's is getting up there.
00:50:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, there's no point. Like, at this point, they should be rolling out Tane Edbend. I mean, if they hadn't they hadn't brought Gordon back.
00:50:43
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:50:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and yeah, I, I've just, you know, as, as, you know, as you're kind of saying, I don't know by the next world cup, if Gordon's even going to be there, they're starting 10. It kind of has to be for the the money they threw at him.
00:50:59
Grumpy Old Prop
But, you know, as you said, line is there.
00:51:01
Jarrod Dyke
Will not he's earned it as a different story.
00:51:03
Grumpy Old Prop
And as I said, Edmett's there. It's like the reality might and intrude well upon that. Um, I think there's other guys you, you, you might've wanted to bring back instead.
00:51:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:51:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Maybe. Oh no, but, um,
00:51:15
Jarrod Dyke
Also, I'm not sure.
00:51:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Nowakuna Ndawasi is coming back, but who knows?
00:51:19
Jarrod Dyke
that one. Um,
00:51:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:21
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:51:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Who knows if he's like, yeah, Corey Tool is pretty damn good. Callaway is pretty damn good. um Shit. Who am i missing? Who's injured? um
00:51:32
Jarrod Dyke
couple guys, but Daigun is out there.
00:51:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:36
Jarrod Dyke
yeah they have some.
00:51:36
Grumpy Old Prop
They have way they have back three players. They don't they don't really need Nowakuna Ndawasi.
00:51:39
Jarrod Dyke
They do.
00:51:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. What's the kid? the The young kid, Ryan, hopefully comes good.
00:51:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Oh, God, Ryan.
00:51:49
Jarrod Dyke
he's he's He's very green.
00:51:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, get him out there.
00:51:50
Jarrod Dyke
It'd be great to see him, though.
00:51:54
Jarrod Dyke
Also, I'm i'm not overly convinced, and this is of it's ah it's a super Andrew Brace call, I'm not overly convinced that Carter Gordon Strasher to count it.
00:52:06
Grumpy Old Prop
I missed it. I didn't see it.
00:52:08
Jarrod Dyke
It kind of sort of pretty clearly came off Harry Wilson forward.
00:52:09
Grumpy Old Prop
I will say.
00:52:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Huh.
00:52:14
Jarrod Dyke
but like ah from the the most neutral of eyes, ah knowing Andrew Brace just sucks. It shouldn't have counted.
00:52:24
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, Dylan Peach. That was the other one I was thinking of. And Jorgensen. Jorgensen's hurt too.
00:52:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yes. Yeah, that's right. Yes. I was thinking, yeah, Peach. I just couldn't remember the name.
00:52:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Tom Wright's hurt for a while, i think. So that doesn't help to either.
00:52:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:52:37
Jarrod Dyke
that He would definitely be a part of this. um Yeah. I don't know.
00:52:45
Jarrod Dyke
i'm not to So I'm not convinced that Gordon was worth the money. But yeah, Italy, yeah, there's there's some.
00:52:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:52:53
Jarrod Dyke
Here's the wild thing about Italy. They sat Lamro, and as much as we love him, I think we're realizing they're realizing that Lamro is a wonderful leader, but he is not the best back rower that they have.
00:53:10
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:53:12
Jarrod Dyke
And I mean that with the most affection for Michele Lamoureux. And, like, I've been saying it for a minute. Like, Zulani is probably better than him.
00:53:21
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah and yeah
00:53:21
Jarrod Dyke
And, yeah, I think this is this is showing it. Vincent definitely needs to be in this team no matter what. And, yeah if your back row is going to be Lorenzo Canoni, him, and Zulani, like, yep.
00:53:34
Jarrod Dyke
And we saw how good Zimbornan can be. as well so that helps like yeah there's there's a lot of really good things going on there they probably need to find way to way to stop start working tommy allen out of there um
00:53:38
Grumpy Old Prop
who
00:53:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. And they also kind of got to work on the centers. Because.
00:53:56
Jarrod Dyke
menichello no but brex yeah brex is getting up there i think brex is older than menichello
00:54:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Isn't it always Manchello? How close he? Maybe had him back.
00:54:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I know Brex is, but.
00:54:12
Jarrod Dyke
He's 23, Manchelo.
00:54:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, fuck off.
00:54:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:54:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck all the way off.
00:54:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. yeah he's
00:54:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:54:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he should be going absolutely nowhere of the midfield for a long time. Yeah. think Brex is 30-plus. I like him a lot, but okay, so there you go.
00:54:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, Brex is 33. Yeah. Okay, so you're good at it.
00:54:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I like him a lot and and like what he does for the team, but at the same time, he's 33.
00:54:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:54:35
Jarrod Dyke
They need to start developing somebody else that's not him.
00:54:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck off.
00:54:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I completely forgot that Menichello was that young. Goddamn.
00:54:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah. Well, that's why it was such a big deal when he won play.
00:54:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Because he feels like he's been around for like five years. Yeah.
00:54:44
Jarrod Dyke
Well, he won play the tournament, what, three years ago for Six Nations?
00:54:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck. use That was like the same as Kapozo.
00:54:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, exactly.
00:54:53
Grumpy Old Prop
but Yeah, alright. Yeah.
00:54:54
Jarrod Dyke
he's ah Yeah, he's a pup too. Yeah, yeah and there's there's some things to like.
00:54:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:54:59
Jarrod Dyke
um they They probably don't need Freddy Rosette anymore. But I like Izakor, Pajrello, really good players.
00:55:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:55:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:55:08
Jarrod Dyke
There's some really good talent coming through, and I know they they're still working on some other positions, obviously, as we've just discussed.
00:55:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:55:15
Jarrod Dyke
um yeah Props being a little bit more on the salty side, I'm okay with, because you know that experience does does do something at the at the front row spot.
00:55:25
Jarrod Dyke
It doesn't do it as much
00:55:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it does.
00:55:27
Jarrod Dyke
in other places as it does for the front rowers. But at the same time, yeah, you do need to find some, some fresh bodies. So ah the the hooker coming off the bench, I'm pretty sure is fairly, fairly young.
00:55:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:55:40
Jarrod Dyke
So that helps as well.
00:55:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:55:42
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, just, you know, and I, I like Quesada. I really do. i i i like him a lot. So, and I've been saying it since they got there. Like, yeah, I, you know, kra Crowley was only going to bring him so far.
00:55:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:55:57
Jarrod Dyke
he did a lot of great things but he was only going to bring them so far and now they brought in a guy that has a tendency to take what was you know kind of a meh project was brought into ah better starting point and and brought along a little bit further than that and then pulling it further and and getting more out of it and i think that's i think that's what he's going to do going forward here so um yeah let's see they have some oh todaro duh
00:55:57
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:56:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, i I like him a lot. Oh.
00:56:28
Jarrod Dyke
Todaro, I mean, officially listed as a midfielder, but still, he's going to be great either the way. So I think they have some...
00:56:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, with that, that background, yeah, put him at 13. Manchel.
00:56:38
Jarrod Dyke
I think so.
00:56:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck off.
00:56:38
Jarrod Dyke
They they have they have some opportunities to get some guys some time here, so I hope they do.
00:56:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:56:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:56:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah. I think i don't think they can't at this point.
00:56:46
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:56:47
Grumpy Old Prop
I think they kind of have to.
00:56:49
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, if the if, if, if, if if because Brax is 13, just saying you don't need to be as sizable as a 13, then you do 12.
00:56:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. That's one. Yeah.
00:56:59
Jarrod Dyke
You know, Pudaro's still got that, you know, got that skinny childlike thing going on So he's not going to be able to slot into the midfield just yet.
00:57:02
Grumpy Old Prop
He's not small.
00:57:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:09
Jarrod Dyke
Tommy Freeman was the same way for a little while, too.
00:57:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Or or you yeah I mean, they could always they could always put Matthew Yawani He's he's a hoose.
00:57:11
Jarrod Dyke
Let's just keep that in mind.
00:57:16
Grumpy Old Prop
He could play 13 if he can learn to distribute a little better.
00:57:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, sometimes that's a hard that's a hard thing to teach someone that's already got it in their brain that they're going down still.
00:57:23
Grumpy Old Prop
That's like a try. Fair enough. But at the same time, it's like, you know, with Tommy Freeman kind of um I'm thinking of that kind of frame. He's lots of the 13 just fine, but not everybody's tummy.
00:57:34
Jarrod Dyke
ah Freeman freedman also played has played fullback before, which you need to be a bit of a distributor to play there as well. So I think he's said i think he had some experiences that I'm not sure Ioani has had.
00:57:40
Grumpy Old Prop
True.
00:57:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:50
Jarrod Dyke
Let's go to Stade de France.
00:57:54
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:57:57
Jarrod Dyke
So, first of all, I think this game is the perfect example of why 20-minute red card is fucking stupid.
00:58:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:58:08
Jarrod Dyke
Because you had a permanent red on South Africa.
00:58:13
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:58:14
Jarrod Dyke
Red cards do not ruin games, guys. Stop with this shit.
00:58:17
Grumpy Old Prop
no Nope.
00:58:19
Jarrod Dyke
Because there's two options, and every coach in the world will talk about this. There's two options when you get a card of any sort, especially a red. You either bring your game up or you drop.
00:58:31
Jarrod Dyke
The defending world champions raised their game. I don't think there's even a question of that at this point.
00:58:40
Jarrod Dyke
And and France gave them the tiniest glimmer when BLBRA went off for um his yellow. And that is the only so invitation that South Africa did get to take this thing all the way home.
00:58:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:58:56
Jarrod Dyke
And ladies and gentlemen, if you don't know who he is yet, may I please introduce you to Sasha Feinberg Ngamizulu. Like, all that ah we talked about it before.
00:59:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck. Can you say that again?
00:59:08
Jarrod Dyke
Ngamizulu.
00:59:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Because I still don't have it down. Sasha Feinberg.
00:59:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Gamazula. Okay.
00:59:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:59:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:59:16
Jarrod Dyke
And remember it.
00:59:16
Grumpy Old Prop
and That's the first time I've actually even attempted it. So yeah, I mean, fuck.
00:59:19
Jarrod Dyke
And remember it because the DC comparisons and he will be his own player. I appreciate that.
00:59:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:59:24
Jarrod Dyke
But the DC comparisons are 100% founded. Like this kid is fucking good. People were like, uh, the people in the automation chat were like, Oh, he's not doing anything.
00:59:35
Jarrod Dyke
i was like, bullshit. Watch this.
00:59:36
Grumpy Old Prop
in Yeah.
00:59:39
Jarrod Dyke
He's doing just fine. Doing just fine. My friends. Yeah. That's scary. Like, yeah, Think about how good this team operated with, and with much respect to Andre Pollard, but how good this team operated with him steering the ship.
00:59:54
Jarrod Dyke
And that's all he really was.
00:59:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:59:55
Jarrod Dyke
He was just the rudder. He was just, you know, we're going to go this way.
00:59:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Here's a pivot. Yeah. Like, I'll get the ball where it needs to go.
00:59:59
Jarrod Dyke
We're going to go that way. And we'll put the ball in the air when when the time comes.
01:00:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:00:03
Jarrod Dyke
Now you have this and the shitloads of talent that the South Africans have out wide.
01:00:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:00:10
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like going...
01:00:11
Jarrod Dyke
Good luck.
01:00:11
Grumpy Old Prop
It's honestly...
01:00:12
Jarrod Dyke
Good luck.
01:00:12
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like going from a Tom Brady to a Patrick Mahomes.
01:00:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, is's a different it's different.
01:00:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Which is nuts. Because it's like...
01:00:22
Jarrod Dyke
It's still good, but it's different.
01:00:22
Grumpy Old Prop
It's different.
01:00:23
Jarrod Dyke
And it's like in a way, it's a good different.
01:00:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:00:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. It's ah it's ah almost... i you know i for Personally, I think Mahomes is better than Brady. But that's just like as ah an all-around player. But you know Brady was the guy who... I'll pick you apart with my brain. i just won't move at all.
01:00:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Whereas...
01:00:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, sledding those shoes for sure.
01:00:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Mahomes will make plays and do stuff you know that, oh, you're not supposed to do that, but it's like, well, okay, but he's also prepared for that and he's good enough to do it.
01:00:50
Jarrod Dyke
a
01:00:51
Grumpy Old Prop
so
01:00:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:00:52
Grumpy Old Prop
that That to me is what I'm looking for um from from Feinberg and um and Gamazulu.
01:00:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:58
Grumpy Old Prop
That wasn't bad. i'll I'll butcher it less later. I apologize.
01:01:02
Jarrod Dyke
I'm sure you will.
01:01:02
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:01:06
Jarrod Dyke
Do you remember the old saying that we used to...
01:01:07
Grumpy Old Prop
But this is also...
01:01:08
Jarrod Dyke
Go ahead.
01:01:08
Grumpy Old Prop
but Go ahead. god You go first.
01:01:09
Jarrod Dyke
Do you remember the old saying we used to say when a certain player used to say play for Northampton?
01:01:17
Jarrod Dyke
Death taxes Kovac Rhynak. Yeah.
01:01:20
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah oh fuck yeah
01:01:22
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, I remember that one. That looks alex looks familiar right there. That looks really familiar. And I will say with much respect to Cobus, like Grant Williams should be playing more nine for them.
01:01:33
Jarrod Dyke
But right now it's okay. It's not a huge deal because obviously they have no issues with that.
01:01:39
Grumpy Old Prop
right no yeah he's he's good um
01:01:40
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah.
01:01:44
Jarrod Dyke
And they just, you know, to to just kill France, like, they they went into a shell. I don't think there's a way around it. Like, they didn't, they were leaning on too much of... I mean, number one, this is like, if there's a team you're going to try to bash into next week, this is the wrong team to try to do it.
01:02:02
Jarrod Dyke
And if there's a team that could do it, it is France probably, but still you have too much out wide to try that continuously, especially like they didn't put BLBRA in enough winning positions.
01:02:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:02:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Probably.
01:02:11
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:02:14
Jarrod Dyke
He came close a couple of times, but like if those didn't tell you to keep giving him chances, like what, what's going to, you know,
01:02:15
Grumpy Old Prop
no
01:02:18
Grumpy Old Prop
I thought it was going to crack once. Right. Because like, ah yeah, against a ah lesser quality team with the chances BLABRA got. Yeah, he would have had one or two.
01:02:32
Grumpy Old Prop
But the point is, you got to give him the volume because, it you know, a game like this against a team like this, it's not going to that that ratio goes down.
01:02:32
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:02:38
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:02:40
Grumpy Old Prop
That's that's what that means.
01:02:44
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah.
01:02:47
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
01:02:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:02:48
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:02:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:02:50
Grumpy Old Prop
So that sucks. But I want to go back this because this is this is the match that I was talking about earlier um with respect to the Scotland match.
01:02:57
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:03:00
Grumpy Old Prop
So you remember that? pivot You know, when Scotland kicked for points instead of going to the corner.
01:03:03
Jarrod Dyke
rewind that wanted
01:03:09
Grumpy Old Prop
The Springboks up by a point.
01:03:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Get the opportunity for a penalty.
01:03:16
Jarrod Dyke
to go for the jugular
01:03:19
Grumpy Old Prop
And they go for the go for the jugular.
01:03:19
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
01:03:20
Grumpy Old Prop
They say, you know what? We still have... Well, i mean, yeah, they were still on a card, but whatever. Like, that's not... You know, that shouldn't have come into play anyway. And obviously it didn't. They go for the corner.
01:03:31
Grumpy Old Prop
and they say, we're going to play down here. And they're rewarded almost immediately with that
Game Strategy and Player Performance
01:03:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Williams try. Which... what France.
01:03:40
Jarrod Dyke
Great try.
01:03:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. Well, well okay.
01:03:41
Jarrod Dyke
Great try, by the way.
01:03:45
Grumpy Old Prop
But what the fuck, France? I mean, it was... Yeah, the... um the the gunner off the mall from from France just got off slow or was a prop or was someone who had really had no business being there.
01:03:53
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, totally. they I think they knew who they were picking on.
01:03:55
Grumpy Old Prop
What was that?
01:03:57
Jarrod Dyke
think it was a front row. I think they knew who they were picking on.
01:03:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:04:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Then the rest of the defense just launches up to their man and Blames is like, well, i'm just going to run right behind you guys. Like, you forgot about the guy with the fucking ball.
01:04:10
Jarrod Dyke
The with the ball is the first one that needs to be taken care of, guys.
01:04:11
Grumpy Old Prop
but Completely.
01:04:13
Jarrod Dyke
That's defense 101.
01:04:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Yeah, if they beat you on the corner, fine, they beat you on the corner, but right under the... like that's That's a chance where you're, instead of one point down, now you're six points down. You're still within a converted tribe.
01:04:26
Grumpy Old Prop
But instead, you give one up under the posts. And that's that's fucking game at that point.
01:04:28
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm. No, that's when coaches start throwing shit in the box.
01:04:31
Grumpy Old Prop
With this team, game. Yeah.
01:04:35
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:04:36
Grumpy Old Prop
um But that's that's the difference. And, and you you know, that... ah You know, I can't say that that was obviously the winner. They were already winning, but... but It was about, you know, the Scotland at that point would have just gone for the posts.
01:04:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, let's go up four on France.
01:04:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Instead, they put a nail in the coffin.
01:04:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. That's how you win it. It was at, um, shoot, was it? Yes. Saracens talking about sale or something like that a couple of years ago with like, this isn't it team you beat.
01:05:05
Grumpy Old Prop
It might not. It couldn't have been Someone else. It was someone, a great team that they were like, you can't just beat them once. You got to be, can't even beat them twice. You got to beat them three times.
01:05:14
Jarrod Dyke
I can't remember who it was, but I remember that.
01:05:16
Grumpy Old Prop
And, you know, especially when it gets and especially when it gets late. You can't can't just say, okay, France will kick the points and that'll beat them. No. no
01:05:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no.
01:05:26
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:05:28
Jarrod Dyke
Ill-advised.
01:05:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Also, Big Andre's looking like a forward, huh?
01:05:32
Jarrod Dyke
i mean, play him where you want, honestly.
01:05:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Scoring forward tries.
01:05:35
Jarrod Dyke
he's just He's just talented, and he's not human.
01:05:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:05:39
Jarrod Dyke
So, who knows what is.
01:05:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck, Razze's making me like him again.
01:05:44
Jarrod Dyke
Listen, i've I've said it before. I'm like, Jesus. like He's obviously on...
01:05:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:05:49
Jarrod Dyke
He stopped the shithousery and the helmetedness that got him into trouble with world rugby and such, and now he's concentrate on the things that matter the most yeah and yeah he's played some head games he i think he like named a team on um the twitters that he thought he was gonna face just to play some head games but you know those are good head games not the fucking yellow circles and shit like so so yeah it's hard to not pree at least appreciate what he's doing all right um
01:06:15
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:06:26
Jarrod Dyke
To Sunday. Principality.
01:06:33
Jarrod Dyke
And i'm I'm going to leave them with a negative, so I apologize, everyone. Is there a more useless second row tandem in tier one rugby than Daffy and Beard?
01:06:44
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:06:48
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:06:48
Jarrod Dyke
I can't think of one. like The scary thing is, I'd rather have Gilchrist and Cummings. That says a lot.
01:06:56
Grumpy Old Prop
it It does.
01:06:56
Jarrod Dyke
Because at least one one of them did go to Australia this summer.
01:07:01
Grumpy Old Prop
And that one can actually like run with the ball a little bit.
01:07:02
Jarrod Dyke
So we'll throw that out there.
01:07:05
Grumpy Old Prop
He can do some things, not just tackle and rock. But Daffy and Beard can, that's all they can do.
01:07:09
Jarrod Dyke
Which is all those two Muppets do.
01:07:13
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:07:15
Jarrod Dyke
And now they clearly have some attackers.
01:07:16
Grumpy Old Prop
um And, you know,
01:07:19
Jarrod Dyke
But, you know, you...
01:07:21
Grumpy Old Prop
like Aaron Wainwright,
01:07:25
Jarrod Dyke
Talk about a useless pile.
01:07:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Bracing for impact here.
01:07:27
Jarrod Dyke
Jesus. Oh, God.
01:07:29
Grumpy Old Prop
like oh Turtle. Duck and cover.
01:07:32
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man. i and i And here's the here's the thing. like Yes, he's bad. And no, they don't have any other options right now.
01:07:45
Jarrod Dyke
I would dig through my youngest players that have shitloads of potential and be like, you know what?
01:07:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Go.
01:07:53
Jarrod Dyke
I'm going to put you on the bench.
01:07:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Go.
01:07:53
Jarrod Dyke
And when this Muppet is gassed, you go instead.
01:07:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:07:58
Jarrod Dyke
You know, Tandy will figure it out. This is his first job at this level. So it's not easy. And it's, you know, there's a lot of learning curve to, to get through, but yeah, that's what's going to need to be done because he and crack mill and bless Falato cannot be your answers at number eight. Cause if they are, you are going to be in so much deep shit.
01:08:24
Jarrod Dyke
Um, on the other hand, I feel, I feel bad for him, but Jack Morgan.
01:08:26
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:08:29
Jarrod Dyke
So here's the thing. Here's the notable difference between Jack Morgan and some of the shitty back rows we've been, we've been talking about. Looks like he's about to just go bash into a brick wall.
01:08:42
Jarrod Dyke
He does something so bloody simple, but so bloody well. Are we sidestepping? And he scores instead of just running into the brick wall. He hurt himself on the play, but that was you know, not really, it that wasn't really anything to do with the sidestep. It was more to do with the fellow falling on top of him.
01:08:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:08:57
Jarrod Dyke
But like, wow, ah it's not, it's not that bloody hard.
01:08:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Well,
01:09:05
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:09:05
Jarrod Dyke
and really isn't. But some, some people just make it seem like it's so fucking difficult to sidestep a double tackle. Like guys, you know, Get out of the double and go to at least one, and maybe you can get through their arms, which he did, and he scored.
01:09:21
Jarrod Dyke
Like, come on, man. It's really not. it's It's as simple as that. and I'm sorry. If someone from Wales, blessed although Jack Morgan is definitely their best player, um if someone from Wales can figure out, I think everyone else should be able to figure that shit out too.
01:09:35
Jarrod Dyke
Just got to throw that out there. Come on, man. It's not hard. really isn't.
01:09:43
Grumpy Old Prop
but it's test rugby. You got to put your nose down and just run through it.
01:09:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Great fucking ninety idea.
01:09:48
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
01:09:48
Grumpy Old Prop
That's yeah.
01:09:51
Jarrod Dyke
here's ah And here's the wild thing. Here's here's how much of a workhorse Jack Morgan is, though. He still led the game in carries. He had 14. He came off when 60-odd?
01:10:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Wow. See, that's, again, 54.
01:10:03
Jarrod Dyke
54. Jesus.
01:10:04
Grumpy Old Prop
fifty four Yeah.
01:10:05
Jarrod Dyke
fifty four
01:10:07
Grumpy Old Prop
led the the He only played three quarters game. Not even three quarters of the game.
01:10:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he's a workhorse.
01:10:15
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
01:10:16
Jarrod Dyke
He's a good player. Like, I'd have Jack Morgan over a lot of players.
01:10:23
Grumpy Old Prop
True. That's very true.
01:10:27
Jarrod Dyke
um
01:10:27
Grumpy Old Prop
um But i still want to I still think the U.S.
01:10:28
Jarrod Dyke
On the other side, for... It
01:10:30
Grumpy Old Prop
s versus Wales would be a fun but much more fun game to watch than u s versus Scotland was.
01:10:35
Jarrod Dyke
might have been more fun for Wales.
01:10:35
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:10:40
Jarrod Dyke
um um So, for Newcastle's sake... Benitez Cruz looked pretty good.
01:10:48
Grumpy Old Prop
They did.
01:10:50
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know, like, and I know he did start the last couple games before the break came, but, like, that might be the guy that needs to play nine for them for a while now.
01:10:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:11:00
Jarrod Dyke
Assuming he doesn't get out of here with any injuries.
01:11:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And also with for them, um you know, Mateo Carreras looked pretty... Oh.
01:11:08
Jarrod Dyke
Wait a minute.
01:11:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Wait.
01:11:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we talked about the whole mass, you know, sale of these guys.
01:11:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. But, mean, fuck, he's good.
01:11:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no hes he was really good. I was quite happy with that selection.
01:11:22
Grumpy Old Prop
And who let... I still don't know how anybody allowed Santiago Carreras to go to Bath.
01:11:23
Jarrod Dyke
ah
01:11:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know how that's legal.
01:11:29
Jarrod Dyke
ah I was actually thinking about the Gloucester situation. We're going to talk about we're have to talk about it on the way back to the Prem, but not not this week. um Yeah, no idea.
01:11:40
Jarrod Dyke
Beat me. Yeah.
01:11:43
Jarrod Dyke
You know, and ah what i what I liked about the Argentine pack was you had guys that have played back row in the second row, and they didn't lose a thing, honestly.
01:11:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:11:55
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:11:56
Jarrod Dyke
Like, yeah, it's a mean front row, too, between Vivas Delgado and Montoya.
01:11:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, that front row is just.
01:12:01
Grumpy Old Prop
It is.
01:12:04
Grumpy Old Prop
It is.
01:12:04
Jarrod Dyke
And there wasn't any, did you say, yeah, there wasn't any replaced a reprieve on the other side of it either.
01:12:04
Grumpy Old Prop
And with Gaio and Repetti and like. but
01:12:10
Jarrod Dyke
there Yeesh.
01:12:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:12:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeesh.
01:12:14
Grumpy Old Prop
um That's like just going back to real quick to Wales, I saw I think it was squid talking about Reese Carrey and um somebody's like, men you know, he'd be somebody that like, if if they just like send him to South Africa, then like he'd come back in like three years with just a you know, if he'd, they'd done that earlier in his career.
01:12:30
Grumpy Old Prop
And I think a squid was like, man, if they had just trained him as if they were like professional coaches and player developers, he would be there all and on his, like on his own.
01:12:40
Grumpy Old Prop
You shouldn't have to send them away.
01:12:41
Jarrod Dyke
Aha.
01:12:42
Grumpy Old Prop
You should be able to dream develop them in-house. and it's like, that's true. Like Carrie is so athletic and, and but massive and he was just never it's just how old is he because just like well too old to to really reach his what could have been he's 27 but yeah if he was he's got a little bit of time so he could he could still become like uh you know vincent cock kind of from from on the one side but like just a beast in the scrum but also man you get him in the loose and fun things gonna happen um
01:12:55
Jarrod Dyke
little too old at this point, I think.
01:13:01
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, so he's got a little bit of time. I thought he was like
01:13:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:13:20
Grumpy Old Prop
that's still potential, but he should be there by now. And that's not his fault. That's just, that's what he's been exposed to.
01:13:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's, know, the Welsh rugby problem, which was ah is a longer conversation to talk about, but yeah.
01:13:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:13:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway, sorry to, to go back to them, but, but that's, that's, you know, that that's just to say that there's that on the other side of them.
01:13:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no no, no, no, it was, it was valid. um Yeah, and.
01:13:42
Grumpy Old Prop
And again, back to your point of the the locks, the the flankers at lock kind of, um although petty, you know, Yeah, he I think I'd rather have him at at ah four than six, but still, potential was there.
01:13:55
Jarrod Dyke
I agree. Yeah, he has he has the ability to do six. Okay, certainly a club level, but probably shouldn't be there as an ah as an international.
01:14:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Yeah. But point point being, you're going for you're going for athleticism there more than just, you know, more than just Daffy and Beard.
01:14:05
Jarrod Dyke
um
01:14:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Agreed.
01:14:17
Grumpy Old Prop
And still, they held up. So...
01:14:19
Jarrod Dyke
Ugh. Knuckleheads and spades. Um...
01:14:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:14:23
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know what purpose Josh Adams serves being in this team when you do have a re-sammit. I know re-sammit is coming off injury, so I get it. But, like, you have Blair Murray, have Tom Rogers, and he wasn't – and they pulled Rogers. as um I don't think he was hurt either.
01:14:42
Jarrod Dyke
I think they wanted to give re-sammit some time. But, like – and they've got other young, pretty exciting-looking wingers.
01:14:53
Jarrod Dyke
and back three players that they should just be giving run and tell Josh Adams to take a fucking big old hike.
01:14:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:15:00
Jarrod Dyke
I just don't see what but he good he does.
01:15:00
Grumpy Old Prop
i will say
01:15:04
Grumpy Old Prop
I will say i kind of i joined this game late and I didn't see the lineups beforehand even. um i had no idea that Josh Adams was playing this game until I just looked at the team sheet right now.
01:15:16
Jarrod Dyke
Right. He didn't, he didn't do anything. That's why.
01:15:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I mean, I understand. i just that's that's not the Josh Adams we used to know. So that Josh Adams is gone.
01:15:24
Jarrod Dyke
No, he's long past that.
01:15:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Let's let's let's move along.
01:15:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, like Cam Winnett, Keelan Giles. Yeah. There's Rio Dyer, if he's healthy.
01:15:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Hathaway is that way is halfway from from Gloucester's team.
01:15:34
Jarrod Dyke
don't think he's... don't think he's healthy right now.
01:15:39
Grumpy Old Prop
but Okay, but he is well. So im I'm just saying he's you know, when he when he is healthy, he could be.
01:15:42
Jarrod Dyke
I... but I do believe so, yes. I believe he already has a cap as well, so...
01:15:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:15:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. but lots in Lots and lots and lots.
01:15:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:15:52
Jarrod Dyke
Um...
01:15:56
Jarrod Dyke
Alright, some superlatives.
01:16:03
Jarrod Dyke
Any way that stood out, maybe out to themselves.
01:16:09
Grumpy Old Prop
um outdid themselves I mean say the wingers for Italy because those are there they have been mercurial and to have both of them score and both of them Aussie born quite the coup on on their end
01:16:22
Jarrod Dyke
a Yeah, it's good. yeah yeah yeah no i like it um yeah i i put cc yeah when he was hungry and not not a dead duck um to your point i would throw ccs into that category
01:16:34
Grumpy Old Prop
reminds me of James Lowe against the All Blacks couple years ago
01:16:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:16:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yes. Yeah. He outdid himself. Certainly.
01:16:51
Jarrod Dyke
yep and i liked a lot of um
01:16:57
Jarrod Dyke
I liked a lot of what was going on with losing his Brown from Scotland. liked a lot of what he did.
01:17:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yep. He looked good.
01:17:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. So there's that. um Shift the bed. and
01:17:19
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm trying to think of like who really shit the bed for Australia other than, you know the Sueli'i yellow, which was well-deserved.
01:17:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yellow. Yellow.
01:17:27
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:17:28
Jarrod Dyke
right
01:17:29
Grumpy Old Prop
But like, i I kind of just want to say the Gordons, but they just, cause they just weren't, they were, they were clunky.
01:17:36
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe more Jake than Carter, but yeah.
01:17:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of where I'm, I'm leaning, you know, 70, 30, but still they, um, yeah.
01:17:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep. Fair.
01:17:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:17:47
Jarrod Dyke
Like said, I still don't think Carter Gordon Stry should have counted.
01:17:51
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm not going to argue.
01:17:51
Jarrod Dyke
So I think he got lucky. ah yougala youga like
01:17:56
Jarrod Dyke
yeah um
01:18:00
Jarrod Dyke
I thought second half France, for the most part, just really, they they they they almost invited the pressure on themselves.
01:18:03
Grumpy Old Prop
They booted it big time.
01:18:07
Jarrod Dyke
Like, guys, you this is, these guys, they were talking about revenge in this game and, you know, no amount, no scoreline from this game would have given them revenge for getting knocked out of the home ah home World Cup.
01:18:19
Jarrod Dyke
Like, let's be real about this.
01:18:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:18:21
Jarrod Dyke
But still, like, even if you were, had that in your mind, like, I'm not convinced they played like it.
01:18:21
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:18:30
Grumpy Old Prop
it's It's just so unlike France to do that.
01:18:34
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed. Yeah, i think they I think they just took their foot off the gas totally. Yeah.
01:18:39
Grumpy Old Prop
No, I'm saying it. I'm joking because I remember the ah the how French. like
01:18:43
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, true yeah, but you know, what's it's kind of been, that it was the joke for a long time, but like, man, for it it hasn't been that way.
01:18:47
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not that it was.
01:18:52
Jarrod Dyke
So it's like, are we going to come back to that now?
01:18:52
Grumpy Old Prop
It hasn't. No, that's why it's just a little throwback there.
01:18:56
Jarrod Dyke
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:18:57
Grumpy Old Prop
and I don't think we can say that after this one match, but you know especially not against the fucking two-time world champions where they were actually in it until the last 10 minutes or so.
01:19:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's hard to say that.
01:19:07
Grumpy Old Prop
So yeah, it's you know no, but this was a... I guess that propensity is still there. So it's something that they now have to realize, okay, if we want to
01:19:20
Grumpy Old Prop
if we really want to compete for that, we got to tidy it up at the end there.
01:19:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, agreed. um
01:19:30
Jarrod Dyke
Anybody on the coach young player ref list?
01:19:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, coach, we talked about, uh, Italy's, um, Quesada, um, well done for him.
01:19:40
Jarrod Dyke
Quesada, yep. Yep, agreed.
01:19:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Ref, uh, two, I have one. We, we, we missed it during the, during the, the, ah review um but who was it for scotland new zealand um it was nick barry with the the i got i got two ars making two opposite calls we're just going to reset the scrum like is it two ars one scrum like uh
01:19:58
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, Barry, yeah.
01:20:07
Jarrod Dyke
ah Yeah, that's right.
01:20:13
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:20:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:20:14
Grumpy Old Prop
like just hilarious because I think he was I think they were right too I think the one AR was like yep Scotland like Scotland like a from the far side was like again that New Zealand 3 got crushed and I think the um the AR on the on the other side was like yeah that Scotland 3 was boring a little bit so like between the two of them they they roughed it he's like you know no no no we're gonna reset it
01:20:15
Jarrod Dyke
That was funny.
01:20:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:20:38
Jarrod Dyke
Just reset. Yep. Yeah. Reset. That's funny. Yeah, that's good.
01:20:45
Grumpy Old Prop
And then the, um shit, who was it? the The referees, the way they adjudicated, and this Gus Gardner of all fucking people, um doing a good job with the TMO as as ah they they were working through Diagra's red.
01:21:00
Jarrod Dyke
Tempo. Yeah.
01:21:03
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:21:03
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
01:21:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Just, yeah, a well done refereedage there.
01:21:08
Jarrod Dyke
I didn't have Nika Emesha Kelly being the voice of reason on that one, but he was.
01:21:16
Jarrod Dyke
Give him that.
01:21:16
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Okay, fair. Yeah, give him some credit too, because fuck. um It's, a yeah.
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01:21:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, i no, I like this. I like the decision. He was. Yeah, I like the decision.
01:21:24
Grumpy Old Prop
and I was giving it to the to the the crew chief, but at the same time.
01:21:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:21:28
Jarrod Dyke
He was always illegal. No, no need for that in the game. Get him the fuck out of here.
01:21:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:21:32
Jarrod Dyke
Bye bye. Game over. Okay. Okay. And then, yeah. Play the week. Or try the week. Sorry. Try of the week. Try the week.
01:21:44
Jarrod Dyke
Try of the week.
01:21:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I have to the Grant Williams try and um we skipped right over it. um
01:21:51
Jarrod Dyke
But now we can talk about it.
01:21:53
Grumpy Old Prop
But the Henry Arendelle try.
01:21:55
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, that's why you're here.
01:22:01
Jarrod Dyke
To do that, young man.
01:22:01
Grumpy Old Prop
as soon as you chipped it through, I'm like, that's a try.
01:22:03
Grumpy Old Prop
As soon as you chipped it through, I'm like, that's, that's, that's a try. That's going. There's no, nobody stopping there. And like, he's, he's yeah. 10 meters behind the first guy, but that first guy is gassed. So i was the second guy.
01:22:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, he's just going to, so you know, run right through him and, and finish it.
01:22:19
Jarrod Dyke
yep
01:22:20
Grumpy Old Prop
And the only, the only thing that surprised me was it didn't pop up for him. He had to to dribble it one more time.
01:22:25
Jarrod Dyke
yeah but he's a super skilled guy like yeah you had to know what was going to player of the week
01:22:26
Grumpy Old Prop
That was, that was the only thing that, that, that shocked me about that. But just the, the,
01:22:32
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:22:40
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Sasha. and um Again, too much beverage to try to mumble through that.
01:22:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Same.
01:22:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah, I agree.
01:22:47
Grumpy Old Prop
No offense. I'll get it. i'll get it um
01:22:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Just, yeah.
01:22:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, absolutely.
01:22:53
Grumpy Old Prop
On the road in France, put a performance like that up on the board.
01:22:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's everyone needs to stand up take notice type of thing right there.
01:22:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:23:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And he's young enough that Drake perked up.
01:23:06
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, huh? What's that?
01:23:08
Grumpy Old Prop
said he's young enough that Drake perked up.
01:23:11
Jarrod Dyke
um And then tick of the week.
01:23:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, lewd. I mean...
01:23:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep. Like, come on, man. Like, your arm is super tucked.
01:23:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:23:23
Jarrod Dyke
You can't not understand that you're going to be fucked the second you make contact.
01:23:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:23:27
Jarrod Dyke
Like, you're like, you were going to be lucky if you didn't get sent to the bin at the minimum, let alone, you know, once you freaking lit someone up directly on their head.
01:23:28
Grumpy Old Prop
You still have a duty of care.
01:23:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:23:36
Jarrod Dyke
Like, yeah, you're, you're done. You're done, dude. and So the that'll probably cop after you ban too.
01:23:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:23:44
Jarrod Dyke
Godspeed, Lude. Good luck. Hope your couch is comfortable.
01:23:48
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah. yeah But that's all right. I think South Africa will all right without him.
01:23:51
Jarrod Dyke
I have a feeling they'll be just fine. Just fine.
01:23:57
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. So there's that. Slate's not as exciting this weekend, but there'll be some good ones still. Very, very interesting. um
01:24:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, well, yeah, England, New Zealand is going to be fun. Wales, Japan should be end up being a really good game.
01:24:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Oh, this is the week they're playing them. Why did I think they're playing Japan? Fucking dummy. Oh, yeah, because, okay, yep, I had them backwards. That's why. um One thing we didn't throw into the works too much about, but Belgium beat Namibia in the Rugby World Cup qualifier tournament down there.
01:24:31
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:24:34
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah.
01:24:35
Grumpy Old Prop
So Belgium's in. Weird.
01:24:37
Jarrod Dyke
No, because Samoa is still there.
01:24:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh. Oh.
01:24:40
Jarrod Dyke
But Namibia needs to beat Samoa this weekend or they're probably out.
01:24:45
Grumpy Old Prop
OK. All
01:24:46
Jarrod Dyke
And that could set up a pretty interesting showdown the following week, which will be Belgium against Samoa.
01:24:53
Grumpy Old Prop
right, it's multi-weekly.
01:24:54
Jarrod Dyke
So that'll be interesting to see how that goes.
01:24:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Belgium.
01:24:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, who knew, right?
01:25:00
Grumpy Old Prop
OK.
01:25:01
Jarrod Dyke
yeah england's okay Yeah, England, New Zealand, that'll be interesting.
01:25:01
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:25:04
Jarrod Dyke
And Ireland, Australia should be interesting as well.
01:25:07
Grumpy Old Prop
That should be fun if nothing else. France, Fiji will be fun. i mean, i've like, ultimately, yeah.
01:25:11
Jarrod Dyke
Scotland-Argentina should be, should be, yeah.
01:25:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Look, this this is a much different weekend for me where, yeah, okay, pretty sure South Africa is going to win, but I think that's going to be more entertaining than people would expect. um England, New Zealand, that's one of those...
01:25:30
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm either going to come away extremely satisfied or extremely dissatisfied with that game, depending on how entirely depending on how England play.
01:25:34
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm, definitely.
01:25:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:25:38
Grumpy Old Prop
um Because if they actually play rugby, this could be a fucking fun game to watch. And if they don't, if they just play test rugby, then it could be really boring, but also compelling because it's still going to be close.
01:25:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck you guys.
01:25:49
Jarrod Dyke
it'll be tight. Yeah. But so it would be nice if they opened it up a little bit.
01:25:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:25:53
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed.
01:25:54
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:25:55
Jarrod Dyke
All right.
01:25:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. It should be fun. we I think this can be fun weekend.
01:25:57
Jarrod Dyke
Well, yeah, loads of potential.
01:25:59
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't like there's a lot of i don't know who could, you know, they could, the ski these could go either way except for like two or three.
01:26:05
Jarrod Dyke
and Yeah. So that'll be fun. But anyway, um, I hope y'all enjoyed the rugby. Thank you very much for everyone that listens to us and lets us babble at them for a little bit. Um, Enjoy yourselves. We'll catch you guys next week. Have good one, everyone.
01:26:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Later. Later.
01:26:18
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.