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Jarrod Dyke: Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm Ben Glauser.
Jarrod Dyke: We are back. We are here. We have way more to talk about this week in terms of actual matches. um but mean,
Grumpy Old Prop: Really? i i found that there wasn't much to talk about overall. Anyway, well, we'll get to that. that We can talk about that.
Jarrod Dyke: but but but
Grumpy Old Prop: There we go.
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Grumpy Old Prop: Oh.
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Grumpy Old Prop: I'm late.
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Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
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Jarrod Dyke: There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life.
Grumpy Old Prop: i'm gonna I'm going to go in a different direction this week.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay. Oh, okay. All right. I mean, I could think of a couple directions to go, but if you have something, we'll do it.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, because I want to... like you know As we talk about um you know discrimination and and and the many forms it takes,
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: like we have to remember, again, that people are dealing with more than what you see. right there's Everybody's fighting some demon. or and another many.
Jarrod Dyke: Always. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, so all that to say, like, and it, it doesn't, you know, there's no, no, no place in society where that, that is not true. And we saw that this past week, um, in, in the NFL with, uh, a young man who, um,
Grumpy Old Prop: you know, is, has a, such a bright future ahead of him. And, um, he even scored his first touchdown last Monday night, a week ago tonight. Um, and like, he's a defensive player too.
Grumpy Old Prop: So it's not like, uh, but anyway, I'm talking about Marshawn Neyland of the Cowboys, um, who I hear his mother had passed recently and, um, he was in a chase with police and ended up, um,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: ended up doing the thing. And, you know, my first thought is these, these clubs have so much, so many resources and they really should know, like if, if a player is grieving or if if there's anything that, that, you know, just cause you know him, um you know, maybe make sure he's not alone.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: And ah I'm not saying the Cowboys failed here.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm not, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is,
Grumpy Old Prop: like that, that's just like kind of an example of like what should happen, right? That's where we should be as, you know, as ah a species, as a people where, you know, someone's hurting, we, we reach out a helping hand rather than just kind of say, oh man, that sucks for you.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And then i got other stuff to do. Like there's, you know, people, you know, if if you need help, get help. um If, if, you you know,
Grumpy Old Prop: If you're listening to this pod, you need help. Get help. But seriously, like, this is um like, yeah, don't don't let it get to that point.
Grumpy Old Prop: And there's, you know, no matter who you are, there's people who love you. So um I just wanted to, you know, say sorry to Marshawn Nealon that we, you know, we couldn't be there for you.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. it's yeah i mean, and it's, there are, so in the case of him where he he lost a parent. i've had I've had that experience recently, sadly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: There are support groups that you can find. And so, yeah, to your point, that should be a resource that was available to him to be able to use use at his disposal should he should he see fit, which I have a feeling he probably needed it. And I'd like to think that someone had tried to steer him that way.
Jarrod Dyke: And, you know, maybe things were just that bad for him. And that's just, that's still awful. But yeah, yeah. I mean, there are, so if you're, yeah if you're in that, if you're in that boat, um there are, there are support groups that you can have.
Jarrod Dyke: I found that I actually had quite a few friends that recently lost parents, you within the last four or five years. So I was,
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: As a friend of mine put it, it is the world's shittiest club to belong to.
Jarrod Dyke: and Membership of that is not something that you want to boast about. so But there are there there's there are people out there, and I just i hope people find them if they're in this situation and before things go as bad as they did for poor Mr. Nealon. That's...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, and and if if you need help, reach out, please.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Always. Always, always.
Jarrod Dyke: um Oh, yeah. Patreon. let'd say I know I have something else I want to go to.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Make sure that you grab our Patreon. We are not far away from dropping the first one for the prem. And depending on timing, I might cook up a surprise to go with it. So we'll see.
Jarrod Dyke: But so that will at least be coming soon. other others Other things, tbd Depends on timing and time in general. But keep your eyes peeled for that. We'll have it soon.
Jarrod Dyke: Thank you.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: we' We're most of the way there. And then now I got to it. I did my, my time to do work starts. So
Jarrod Dyke: You know.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'll get it done. I really hope to have that done this week. So, um, or at least as close to it as possible. So that way I have a week to, to get it ready even to for for publications or so maybe do I have my timing right?
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, think I do.
Jarrod Dyke: we yeah We got a little bit time here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, thanks i think Thanksgiving weekend, we go we go back to league play.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, we got, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So there you go.
Grumpy Old Prop: Prem. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay. International window. um We won't spend a ton of time on the first the the first first game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, okay.
Jarrod Dyke: What's up? What do you got?
Grumpy Old Prop: that's the That's the problem here with this whole fucking weekend. Were there any... i mean, okay. One was... that There was one surprise, I'd say.
Grumpy Old Prop: Everything else, you could have been like, yeah, okay, that's about what I expected. Um... And just that fucking sucks. Like, I think that's just I think that speaks a little poorly to the state of the game.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But anyway, we'll we'll we'll go from there.
Jarrod Dyke: right yeah and i and i i i understand where you're going um again we won't
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Let's let's let's go one by one. And even the surprise wasn't that much of a surprise. You can be like, yeah, that makes sense. And we'll get to that as to why that is when we get there.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah yeah um but the first first game of the of the whole slate, at least for us, was... um
Grumpy Old Prop: Eddie Jones.
Jarrod Dyke: No, before that even.
Jarrod Dyke: Georgia and USA, and...
Grumpy Old Prop: oh yeah that
Jarrod Dyke: Man. I want to believe that there's there was a possibility we're going to win this game, but really, in the end, like, I think we just fooled ourselves, and also, going with a fucking 7-1 split like a moron.
Jarrod Dyke: Lawrence, you're fired.
Grumpy Old Prop: that killed him that that that that literally changed that that
Jarrod Dyke: Like, please...
Grumpy Old Prop: That lost them the game because you had two back three players in the last minute who were like done. They were cooked.
Grumpy Old Prop: You know, Fricker played a half.
Jarrod Dyke: very gassed
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, here's the thing. The team played well enough to win. That was a great performance by the Eagles um of actual rugby. Very impressive. um And especially a team like what they showed was they could attack well and And they could defend a physical fucking team. That Georgia team is, you know, we know is no joke.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And the U.S.
Jarrod Dyke: Can I point out, can I point out the guy that played 10 was the guy I've been saying have been playing 10 for how long now?
Grumpy Old Prop: did well. Go ahead.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes. Go ahead. Because that was right.
Jarrod Dyke: Luke Cardy.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Cause now I appreciate, and I think Kelsen Beck was the one, was he the one sub on the bench? Am I making that up? No, it wasn't. It was fricking.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: was a halfback.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Wasn't it?
Grumpy Old Prop: It was. It was ah it was a scrum half. I can't remember.
Jarrod Dyke: Baska. Yes. Baska.
Grumpy Old Prop: Basket, yeah. Michael Basket.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, yeah, I, uh, I'm pretty sure I said something about that a while ago. and And I want to see Hilson Beck develop, assuming there's something there. And I'm not going to say whether or not there is because I don't know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, we, we you know, AJ is not the guy to lean on right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, not...
Jarrod Dyke: And we should have been leaning.
Grumpy Old Prop: and Well, not...
Jarrod Dyke: And and that is with the most affection and love possible to AJ because we're very grateful for what he's done.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But at the same time, Luke Cardi should have been playing 10 as often as possible for this team. And should be the one steering the whole the ship the whole time. And yeah, he's he is <unk>s their best 10.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't think there's a question about it after this game.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, definitely.
Jarrod Dyke: so and And Geiger played well.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah he did.
Jarrod Dyke: He looked funny in that fucking scrum cap, though.
Grumpy Old Prop: He did.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: um No, I thought, you know, it was they really rocked up. They were. the better team that wait, they got the, the Eagles got yellow carded. Right. And it was kind of bullshit.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, if I remember correctly, like, weren't they go, everybody was going for the ball. Yeah. They had two guys like, so there are two Americans, one Georgian was a high ball and everybody's going, everybody's literally going for the ball and there's contact in the air because everybody's going for the ball and they like,
Jarrod Dyke: a As that happens.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, as happened, like that's a rugby incident. And take to yellow card that that wasn't like it wasn't one of those. He went into the air to hit somebody. It's he was at the spot like and and they were like the Georgian jumped into it.
Grumpy Old Prop: So the wing from the U.S. has every reason to think he's got ah play for the ball. And if you come running into it, well, okay, that's on you.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Even if you get up higher, like you're still coming towards the other team recklessly. So it's like you one of those, you're kind of putting yourself into it. Like you can, you know, you could stay low.
Grumpy Old Prop: You could, you know, look for the, they if they overkick it a little bit, but when you jump into it, you kind of are taking a bit of a risk rather even if you get over a guy and there was, a and you know, I would even, even understood a penalty that made sense, but the yellow was, was ridiculous.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: little too much.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, so bad call by, by Pierce, but not really the worst of the week, if I remember correctly.
Jarrod Dyke: Probably not, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, so yeah, that, that, and that really changed the game.
Jarrod Dyke: There's some bad ones otherwise.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, which kind of sucks, but overall that's one of those, like I didn't expect to win going in.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, so...
Grumpy Old Prop: So I'm not disappointed with the loss. If anything, I'm heartened after last week. It's like, if this team played, you know, it probably would have been like 50 points instead of 80, which that's a big difference.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I'm going to say 85, and we might scored.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. So that makes me ah little feel a little bit better. Like, okay, they can actually play a little bit of rugby. Okay. Do that. do Do that more often and then do it faster because that's really what it comes down to.
Grumpy Old Prop: You can do those things. Okay. Now speed them up, make it more intense.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. Well, and I would say the one thing we could do for ourselves, and I think George is a good match,
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: think the one thing we could do for for ourselves is stop scheduling teams like Spain and Belgium and Portugal. Graham, we've had our issues with Portugal and even Spain.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: But Island A, All but all Blacks 15, England a things teams like this that are not going to necessarily completely pants us, they'll still pants us, let's be honest.
Grumpy Old Prop: But schedule at Georgia. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. But, like, give me an Italy, a Georgia.
Jarrod Dyke: But they could...
Grumpy Old Prop: like Like, these teams that... even you know, like, even Italy. I would rather... i think that would be a ah better matchup. And I think the the Eagles could sneak one out of that. um
Grumpy Old Prop: So, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Depending on what we got from on you.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, there's...
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, i think I think the schedulers just need to be a little bit more imaginative, if anything else.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: You know? I don't even think it takes that much imagination, honestly, but clearly they don't have any, so, you know, just moving moving it from zero to one would be nice.
Grumpy Old Prop: it yeah right well I mean, the thing is, maybe Scotland would actually maybe so like Scotland, Scotland won't even pay you for that game or something, you know, almost like, the you know, the college football used to work here where or still does where it's like, OK, we need a game.
Jarrod Dyke: They probably would, yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: um ah you're We're going to wipe the floor with you, but we need to get our guys some some, you know, or our B team, some some run.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: So that that and I mean, you can't turn your nose up at that, but.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: um At least I assume that's what would happen. but Not just, a yeah, come play us.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: like
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just come get annihilated for for nothing you know earned on your side.
Jarrod Dyke: Imagine not, yeah. Imagine there's a little bit of fairness exchange.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: i let's let's Let's head over to Dublin. Um...
Jarrod Dyke: i i You know, I'll be the first person to jump on the Bash-Eddie Jones bandwagon. Japan didn't deserve this scoreline, for the most part at least. And it was tied at halftime, which was good and deservedly so. I thought they were the more lively of the two teams by ah pretty good margin.
Jarrod Dyke: ah But, yeah, the just, again, inaccuracies, and and as we've talked about with other players, other lower tier teams, just the speed of the game was not, although there's their speed and attack was great, but it's their accuracy is just absolutely freaking killing them.
Grumpy Old Prop: It is.
Jarrod Dyke: Every time there's a, there's a ball error. It's like, Oh God, come on, man.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And that's the thing, like where they're, you know, they're, they're catching the ball when Ireland's on them or they're passing it when Ireland's on. So it's really hard to get, you know, feel like you're free. Um, which, you know, obviously that, that's the pressure, you know, that's how it works, but you know, there was, you know, so quite a few unforced errors on, on the Japanese.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think then they have a couple of kicks like out the back. I'm, I think of a different game. Um, I think it was, know where they kept kicking it out the back. ah Um, Japan did, but I could be wrong on that.
Jarrod Dyke: ah they kept kicking it on the full more often than not, and I saw out the back.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, that maybe it was that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Just too many little mistakes that that'll kill you.
Jarrod Dyke: But, yeah. Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And you know, at the same time, this wasn't exactly, it was in many ways, Ireland's a side, but at the same time, like even you were saying like James Ryan shouldn't be, shouldn't be around.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, and then, you know, you look through their, their halfbacks, although Crowley played ah the heck of a game. Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: uh, Tommy O'Brien, that was a hell of a try. Like, it's cool to see the, you know, the new blood of, of Ireland and they really, you know, they need Tommy and Jimmy to come good because, you know, obviously jacobs yeah Jacob, Jacob's Doctile is not starting for Ireland to get, like, this might be his last, uh, his last, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. Osborne.
Jarrod Dyke: This may be his last game for Ireland, let's be honest.
Grumpy Old Prop: So, um, it's not like Japan was getting their, getting their best, but at the same time, you know, just like with, uh,
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: with Scotland, you got to handle what's in front of you. And I thought they had that Japan certainly handled what was in front of them a lot better than the U S did.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So also how cool is it to seem like a leech again?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah, I think.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's always fun to see him.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I know. Old war horse that man is.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Even if he's like, yeah, even if you know, it's not, not the Michael, not the Michael Leach we, we used to love to watch, but you know, it works that way.
Jarrod Dyke: does. Um. they were talking about there's there was a mass exodus from ah sir australia for some players that are going to be eligible next week and that are likely to be picked for their next game so that'll be interesting to see how that turns out um yeah one or durns might be one of the most well probably the he's the lesser known entity for second rows in the world probably in terms of
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: how many people actually know him than the fact that if I say the warm name Werner Derns, the name, the year not everyone's going to have their ears perk up, but if I show you him, you'll be like, ooh, yeah, that guy.
Jarrod Dyke: So it's it's that type of level where he's at right now, and I think it needs to be ah more of a household name because despite how poor um Japan were executing in this game, he's very good.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: He's very, very good. he's actually He's actually contracted to the Hurricanes this this coming year too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Shit, I was wondering, I was trying to figure out where he plays. He's 23.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he's contracted the Hurricanes this year. That
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck off.
Jarrod Dyke: being the other thing, he's not very old.
Grumpy Old Prop: 23. No, and he's freaking and he's like six, six.
Jarrod Dyke: He's not very old at all. He'll be around for a while.
Grumpy Old Prop: he's So he's 200 centimeters, six, six hundred twenty two kilograms. Fuck off.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he's like a white Sadiqa. Like, he's he's he's ah he's a...
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: And his skill... And I remember when I first saw him, I was like, oh, that's a tall drink right there. and But his skills were definitely lacking.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I think it was pretty obvious. His size was something that was obviously God-given, and that's just how it is. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But you don't ignore that and by any means. But he has done a good job of developing his skills because, you know, you think...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: he will he won't Maybe he will be, but he's not Arja Snaman. but he has the potential to have a similar skill set and, you know, to be as much of a threat in terms of those things.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So I'm i'm glad he's developed his skill set a little bit more. And um I think the move to the Hurricanes is actually going to him a ton of good, and they'll do them good too.
Jarrod Dyke: So looking forward to that.
Jarrod Dyke: But any the other, anyway, um yeah, and good for Tom Farrell getting his getting his first cap.
Grumpy Old Prop: Bet you are.
Jarrod Dyke: Congratulations, bud. A lot of people in the UR that are fans of the URC will say it's been a long time coming. And ah you can see what he's got. He's 32. He's thirty two he's ah easily little too old to really turn into anything much.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But you you'll love. i'm I'm okay with this type of game being this case for a 30-plus-year-old. the you I've criticized the U.S. for giving guys caps. But they plan on using those guys for another 10 years until they're 40. That's my problem with that.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm not sure Tom Farrell is getting much more run.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's right.
Jarrod Dyke: But, you know. i would ah i'm i'm glad he's got his I'm glad he's got his here. so
Jarrod Dyke: ah Let's go to Murray Field. First of all, fuck you, Peacock and NBC Sports.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Really?
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Didn't you love that that anthem?
Jarrod Dyke: Skipped over anthems. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: the the The Flower Scotland was beautiful.
Jarrod Dyke: kept over the anthems
Grumpy Old Prop: and No, wait. We didn't get to see it. We barely got to... like They came in.
Jarrod Dyke: a
Grumpy Old Prop: The Hakkas already started and they came into the the coverage. And it's like, we gotta look at fucking...
Jarrod Dyke: shut Corbs and Hightower up, please.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh.
Jarrod Dyke: God, like, you both, you both, he
Grumpy Old Prop: Remember when Corpse was actually... Like I said it last week too. When he used to be good, but he fucking sucks now.
Jarrod Dyke: sucks. you say You both fucking suck now. Like, shut up and go away permanently. Like, honestly, you could pay me half of what you pay Corbs, and I bet you I'd get i'd do better.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, let's go, please.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Like he he literally reads like somebody scripted it for him like that. But he it's almost like a hostage video now because he's especially how smiley he is.
Jarrod Dyke: The both of them, really.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like. Well, I mean, Hightower's like set up sucks and he just doesn't have anything to say.
Jarrod Dyke: He's a moron.
Grumpy Old Prop: Somebody has to script it for him, I'm sure. um
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, I don't doubt that.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's just platitudes. It's so many platitudes. It's just nothing.
Jarrod Dyke: who
Grumpy Old Prop: It's there's nothing. And it's like we got to see that instead of the the anthems and, you know, the whole Haka like.
Jarrod Dyke: they bring They bring no actual critical analysis to the game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, none.
Jarrod Dyke: They just...
Grumpy Old Prop: None.
Jarrod Dyke: talk out their ass about absolutely nothing
Grumpy Old Prop: Austin Healy brings more to the the game than they do combined.
Jarrod Dyke: that is terrifying that is terrifying that that that if you're not on on the ball on this stuff you should go look at that and just be appalled
Grumpy Old Prop: Like Austin Healy every so often, you know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. So it's not, it's, it's not Festivus yet, but um like Austin Healy, as much as we give him shit, like,
Grumpy Old Prop: once every few games actually shits out something that you're like, that's exactly right. And that's great analysis. And then you're actually seeing the game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, because I've done it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, that's awesome.
Jarrod Dyke: I can tell you for a fact I've done it These two idiots?
Grumpy Old Prop: And nothing, nothing like that.
Jarrod Dyke: Definitely not. No, not at all.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's, yeah, it's like, they, they just talk about the names they know it's, it's shit. And it's like, okay, I get it. Yes. There's players that you like already. Sivia is good. And yes, he will be key to the wind. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: or a win for New Zealand, you think? Fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: ah The sky is also blue.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't need you to...
Jarrod Dyke: So what ah what else you got there?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. yeah like
Jarrod Dyke: Jesus. No shit, Sherlock.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Goddamn.
Grumpy Old Prop: I ah certainly don't want to see the anthems at Murrayfield. um I want to see that.
Jarrod Dyke: No. I got an armband with you for you. It says Captain On.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: It's for you being Captain Obvious, you fucking idiot.
Grumpy Old Prop: Now, okay. Now I'm going to take that and focus it on game energy in a similar way, and in an analogous way.
Grumpy Old Prop: that perform that production by NBC Sports and Peacock and Corbis and the other asshole um is the equivalent of going for three late in the game versus the All Blacks just to tie it up.
Jarrod Dyke: ah
Jarrod Dyke: I couldn't believe they did that. I was like, oh, no, you're not doing this. Why are you playing to tie?
Grumpy Old Prop: And this, no, but this is why I fucking hate test rugby.
Jarrod Dyke: yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because you get coaches making test decisions where, oh, you got to build the scoreboard.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: You just take the points when they're there. without And we'll come to the exact opposite of that in a little bit, which was a test of the proper fucking test match. Because you know what? Both those teams weren't playing test rugby. And in this case, Scotland played test rugby. The comeback on the fucking All Blacks, you give them ah ah seventeen point halftime lead.
Grumpy Old Prop: you come And you get there, you're within three points, and you're like, let's fucking tie it up with 10 minutes to go, or 20 minutes to go.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because as as I said to to you, if if if you, you know, like we can go back in the texts.
Jarrod Dyke: It's Finn fucking Russell.
Grumpy Old Prop: i can I can go back to the time it was when Satiti was getting was in the process of getting his yellow card.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: I text Jared because, you know, this whole thing has been happening. I'm like, you know the All Blacks are going to score at least one more, even with the yellow card.
Jarrod Dyke: One more. Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're going to score one more.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: So you better, this kickoff, they're the kick for points. You better know for certain that you're getting back down there.
Grumpy Old Prop: And they they didn't.
Jarrod Dyke: See, don't think they did.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that's, that was poor.
Jarrod Dyke: Sadly. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But that's Test Rugby.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean...
Grumpy Old Prop: You know, that's George Ford Rugby. That's why, that's why even in the England game, it's like, but how does that do against the fucking All Blacks who are playing to win a game?
Jarrod Dyke: It
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no shit. I'm... yeah I'm so sad, but for the whole thing, cause like, oh, well he can hit that. Yeah. It's been Russell. He's one of the, he's actually one of the best kickers in the world.
Jarrod Dyke: Now he wasn't for a while, but he is now like he can hit, ah hit it from a lot of fucking places.
Grumpy Old Prop: right
Jarrod Dyke: Don't sit there and say, oh, it's, you know, because he can hit it. Well, that doesn't actually validate the decision.
Grumpy Old Prop: you know thing is with his accuracy though he can also hit the corner he could hit that the you know he could hit from there the five meter line so do that and again there was a perfect counter example of a team doing that and it it won them the game um
Jarrod Dyke: Five meter line. Yep. I agree. i agree.
Jarrod Dyke: who
Grumpy Old Prop: So, yeah, it's just that's, you know, this is why Northern Hemisphere or rugby and and te and this is why it just makes test rugby so fucking boring. I mean, it was an exciting game.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's the problem. It's an exciting game, but they're just like, there's not this play to win. It's who can play the best game of test rugby in the Southern Hemisphere is like, I want to win a game of rugby.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm going to play the best rugby, rugby, not not test rugby.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. but Right, right.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm going to play rugby rugby and see how it works out.
Jarrod Dyke: mm-hmm yeah and i i was thinking weird and i was thinking about and i was talking about it with the guys in the autumn nations chat um thank you again aiden for being the real hero about the whole for the whole fantasy thing um But, i'm so ah you know, we were discussing, like, guys coming off the bench and, like, DMACC against tired legs sounds usually sounds pretty good, especially if he doesn't play 10.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He ends up coming on at 15, I'm pretty sure. So it worked out quite well, to say the least. And I'm...
Grumpy Old Prop: He looked like shit at the end of the game, though.
Jarrod Dyke: I know, he was so banged up between that that shit, but it was hilarious.
Grumpy Old Prop: that's ah that's a that's but it's and it's that's a proper, like, he played a game of rugby, that dude.
Jarrod Dyke: so
Grumpy Old Prop: um He came on for Caleb Clark. So, yeah, Bowdoin played the whole game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: um So yeah, he came on for... yeah And okay, also, how lucky is Leroy Carter though?
Jarrod Dyke: To play fullback. Yep, there you go.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, was that... I thought trips were automatic red, but that's...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Maybe they changed.
Jarrod Dyke: No, they're yellow. They're yellows.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, they were probably, I think they were reds like 15 years ago, honestly. Like, it's been a while since they changed that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, fuck you.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, I'm just saying, I'm just saying it's been like every time I've, I can recall a trip, it's been a yellow.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know. 15 years ago? Shut up.
Jarrod Dyke: So that's no, if there was there, I believe there was a point in time where there are reds, but they're, they're yellows now.
Grumpy Old Prop: it's like uh
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah no it's like we went to your boys football game and they were kicking off the football you know nfl or well um american football game and uh what was it they were kicking off on a tee and it's like no no no no you drop kick it now what the hell where are you been damn it and there i am doing that
Jarrod Dyke: So they're automatic. Um,
Jarrod Dyke: the American football variation,
Jarrod Dyke: guys um Once upon a time they did once upon a time that, um, out of way. Uh, yeah. Uh, let's see. Um, yeah, it's so, and yeah, especially to your point about the kicking for, yeah, we have satiti going to the bin and, and,
Jarrod Dyke: Whether or not that happens without Finn kicking the penalty, honestly, it doesn't matter. You have your tails up. You have your tails up. And we talked about it the other week with's with Ireland.
Grumpy Old Prop: yep
Jarrod Dyke: Like, your tails are up. You clearly have the momentum. Like, take that tank Uncle Mo and ride it ti write it into the ground.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm. hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, please. Because you had you needed, as to your point, you needed... really four tries and you gotten four tries, you probably would have won game.
Jarrod Dyke: you needed at least one more without a doubt to even be with, to have a puncher's chance. And yeah, you just, and and I gotta believe, cause because,
Grumpy Old Prop: like that's right hard that Oh, that's right. he missed the, yeah hold on. Sorry. I, I lost track of it. Was it a ah penalty goal that really put it away? Yeah, it was penalty goal. Okay. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. That's right. Cause McKenzie didn't convert or his, yeah, he didn't convert his own try, but fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no, it was a penalty right at the end there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um But yeah, you got to believe because Finn Russell is who he is, the Maverick in him says, I really want go for the try here. So you got to know that's coming from the sideline.
Jarrod Dyke: Or at least I don't have a reason to believe otherwise.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes, exactly. i No, I would not 0% put that on Finn. I think the Scotland you know this sco coaching, or as soon as they got that penalty, like, yeah, go, tie this game up. And it's like...
Grumpy Old Prop: because so I'm going to go back to literally fucking rugby 101. What we were taught the first thing of rugby coaching in the shitty U.S. course that we got.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it was the two things that matter most in rugby are possession and territory.
Grumpy Old Prop: And the thing is, that's the way the All Blacks play. Like, it's not just about like going for the tribe as a one singular effort. Right? That's not how...
Grumpy Old Prop: rugby works. It's you go to the corner and if you don't get it, even if you get a penalty, right, they're kicking up, they're going to be around midfield, like they maybe they kick it, yeah, that kind of sucks. So don't, you know, don't give away a penalty.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's the only thing you have to do is, you know, don't fuck up the ruck, keep pounding on them, make them give up penalties. And even if you don't score the first one, even you don't score the second one, even if they, you turn it over, right, even if you knock it on, they're going to boot it away into touch and then you're still you know near the 22.
Jarrod Dyke: It's
Grumpy Old Prop: You're still down in that territory. You're still, you know, another penalty away from being right down on the goal line again. Like, but that's like the, what I'm describing is like 10 to 15 minutes.
Grumpy Old Prop: If you, if you don't do it right, you didn't, you know, if it takes you the long way around, that's 10 to 15.
Jarrod Dyke: a lot work.
Grumpy Old Prop: Now instead of, and but now you're, now you're up by four
Grumpy Old Prop: with five minutes left. And at that point,
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: you're you're feeling now that the all blacks are in panic mode and you just have to make your tackles and that's it.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like that's, that's how you like that. And that's again, why test rugby pisses me off. Cause man, it's like, you know you, you wanted to put like, and you put them in the box and you're not playing the the best possible rugby at all.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fucking dislike it.
Jarrod Dyke: mean, you gotta...
Grumpy Old Prop: There's no, there's no soul for the game in there.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I agree. You gotta believe that there's... That's a shitty call, Bryce. um You got to believe.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, he made several.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I know you made several. um I've already seen a couple them. All Blacks getting three yellows and you don't come away with a win. There's an issue. And you're in your tier one team and everyone's well, it's Colin.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: There's good players across this 23. Like, don't sit there and say that. Like, there are too many good players across this 23.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I love the way Ashman played in this game. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Gregor Brown had a stormer. I was like, wow, OK, that happened.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um Although I wouldn't put Matt.
Grumpy Old Prop: Dempsey had a stormer. Dempsey was was amazing this game.
Jarrod Dyke: I wouldn't put Matt Ferguson at seven, but yeah, so you know, maybe rejig that one. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But then, yeah, but the back line is really, that back line is really good. Like, and with your subs.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hutch played his ass off. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. With your subs, don you know, and also go with a five, three, please. It'll help you. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Bayless and Darge on the bench and Matt Ferguson on starting is backwards. So pick, fix that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But other that, like you do have really screaming.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Obviously, he's he's a lion. He's a very good player. There's a reason.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm
Jarrod Dyke: There's a lot here to like. So like with the with three yellow cards against the All Blacks, you got to put it away at home.
Grumpy Old Prop: hmm. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You got to put it away.
Grumpy Old Prop: hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: You got to put it away.
Grumpy Old Prop: But, you know, again, what happened was you kick the the points and then you get, yeah, you get the card, but like, I feel like the, the all blacks just maintain that possession and territory, which is why they ended up scoring.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like even with 14, because again, Hey, let's just kick it away.
Jarrod Dyke: I did. Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Anywho.
Jarrod Dyke: oh All right, let's go to London.
Jarrod Dyke: Another example of the score flattered England, I would say. um i think there were some very good performances from England, no doubt.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, yeah, it was.
Grumpy Old Prop: hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: But again, I think there was just some slight inaccuracies from the Fijians that did amend.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And that was just enough. And yeah, I don't think this was a 20 point margin. I think that's very flattering of England.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right now, I mean, obviously just got away from it everything, got away in the the last um last quarter of the game, especially, you know, the two is over yellow.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah like up and
Grumpy Old Prop: Even though.
Jarrod Dyke: I still thought Williams should have given a warning personally.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. um i Yeah. I don't know. There were I just i thought the penalty count was was building, but.
Jarrod Dyke: It was, but you know this does even if it's one of those half-ass warnings, like, you know hey, next one's going to go. And and maybe you don't give him a minute to talk, which I don't like either, but like at least you've told him, hey, next one's going to go.
Grumpy Old Prop: hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And they didn't he didn't even really get to that point.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So it's like, you know, because you know most teams will have their ears on and be like, okay, all right, let's stop fucking around so we don't go get a goddamn yellow again.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I will say it was a very, i mean, I liked what England did, you know, as much as talked about, you know, test rugby, I felt like this wasn't exactly that, but i I also feel like England, and you could tell from the lineup what their intent was.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I thought it worked well. And that was, we are just going and like, I thought they did well to bash Fiji, but in space, which is what you need to do.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, Chandler Cunningham South, I texted you, he he like he reminded me of old school Billy in that match. He was getting the ball and he was a problem to take down.
Grumpy Old Prop: Always getting front football.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: a couple line breaks, it felt like. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay, you have my attention, sir. like i that
Jarrod Dyke: right
Grumpy Old Prop: That was a, you know, we know England are looking for an eight and ah he feels more like a six or a lock, but he does have that speed. And if he can play like that, Hmm. Maybe.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: So, to your point...
Grumpy Old Prop: But then three three front row tries. So it's both hookers and and a prop.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah, beats me.
Grumpy Old Prop: And Itoji's try was basically the similar. So we'll flop over.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. ah and Nothing crazy about those. so um
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: To your point in their attack, and this is... And talk about in space. Their top carriers, um all of which had nine or more, were Earl, because he's a workhorse and doesn't know anything but do that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Marcus, Faye Woboso, Freeman, Dingwall.
Jarrod Dyke: So they're giving the ball air, to say the least.
Grumpy Old Prop: hey
Jarrod Dyke: So that is that is a good thing. i challenge Borthwick in England to be brave enough to do that, not against Fiji, against almost anybody else.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm
Jarrod Dyke: i yeah I think they got Japan this week, so that's going to be ah kind of a wash, unfortunately, unless Eddie comes in and gives them a shit sandwich to eat, which one I would kind of laugh at, honestly. um
Jarrod Dyke: But I would challenge them to do that in, I think it's two weeks time that they're going to play New Zealand, like.
Grumpy Old Prop: and Oh, can we also talk about how hilarious, how i didn't and didn't text you about it. um but I don't remember, did you watch this that live?
Grumpy Old Prop: Were you texting? Yeah, we I can't remember.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Curry's line break.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh god.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm immediately like, oh my God, I can't wait to see how he fucks it up. And you know what he did?
Jarrod Dyke: I fucked it up.
Grumpy Old Prop: Didn't he throw it right to a Fijian player?
Jarrod Dyke: I think so.
Jarrod Dyke: I think so. Yeah, i was like, and pretty much any other player finishes that but but Tom Curry.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I'm just like, oh, got it. Saw it coming. Clock that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. yeah Pepper...
Grumpy Old Prop: ah
Jarrod Dyke: Pollock, Earl.
Grumpy Old Prop: Pepper played it plapro played a pretty good game. Even though, I mean, he didn't get many carries, but that's not...
Jarrod Dyke: He's been, he's had no carries. Like he's doing nothing in attack. But, and again, I feel like that is on the, the coaching staff.
Grumpy Old Prop: But that's... a like ah and but that yeah I think that's the position a little bit. But... B, um the difference between ah Pepper and ah Tom Curry is that if you actually ever did give Pepper the ball, he would do awesome shit with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, it's not that he can't. It's that, yeah, he had two carries.
Grumpy Old Prop: And how... Hold on. how How long did he play in the game?
Jarrod Dyke: um He got subbed off on that with that massive...
Grumpy Old Prop: He played 50 minutes. 53 minutes. Um...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: fifty-three minutes um So, yeah, that was I thought and I thought he played 53 impactful minutes. He he was a tackle machine. It felt like.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, but the I still am worried that that's what they're hammering into his head in camp.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, tackle tackle and do nothing else. Like, have you watched the guy play for Bath? The guy does so much more than that and can be a threat and attack.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: hes This is is a guy that's won player of the match in the final.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Remember that. He's won player the match in the the Prem final. like And it's not because he tackle just because he tackled. It's because he can do everything. You have him out there because he can do everything.
Jarrod Dyke: Let him... fucking do everything for fuck's sake bortho god damn i still have no faith in this man i'm sorry like even after ah even after an uplifting performance like this where it looked like they gave the ball some air it's still you look at it under a microscope it's like there's still a problem and i can't get behind it when you have this much fucking talent at your at your disposal i'm sorry
Grumpy Old Prop: you're not wrong. mean,
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah oh it's still I mean there's still the elements of te like even with the selections and that's that's great like this was a you know I obviously don't really need to see Dingwall um out there in in a proper test match but give me the rest of that back line yes um
Jarrod Dyke: no
Grumpy Old Prop: And then actually, you know what, that, that forward pack outside of the hookers. And again, the, um, the, the, um, six, two, you know, you you can just drop Tom Curry off there. He doesn't need to be out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, Henry Pollock, cause that's good.
Jarrod Dyke: Nope.
Grumpy Old Prop: Ben Spencer. Yep. Arundel. Yeah. But maybe he starts over failure. So, um, and then bring true.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm alright with them competing for that shirt, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's fair. Um, uh,
Jarrod Dyke: You know.
Grumpy Old Prop: i I just didn't, you know, we didn't. He scored a try. Yes. um But I didn't see the the spark we usually get from favorable. So maybe he's just still feeling it out at that level.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I agree.
Grumpy Old Prop: But
Jarrod Dyke: I agree with that.
Grumpy Old Prop: but then you have another back, like you have another center out there. Like that's.
Jarrod Dyke: Not Henry Slade, please.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: Jesus.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, you don't need Henry Slade. um But you've got enough options. Pick a good one um and and do it that way because you already have two 10s out there. I love that.
Grumpy Old Prop: I love the Smith setup. I think that's their best option. So like there's there's a lot to like about it, but it's just there's still that test rugby aspect as you're saying of, okay, Pepper, your job is to go smash the other team when they have the ball.
Jarrod Dyke: On that. Good.
Grumpy Old Prop: That sucks.
Jarrod Dyke: not ah And that's it. And that's it. that's all they're basically giving him permission to do.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um On the Smiths, people love to shit on Marcus Smith, as we've established before, for whatever stupid fucking reason, because people are helmets. I don't care. doesn't matter.
Grumpy Old Prop: because they're old and he's not.
Jarrod Dyke: what's What I think is overlooked, and maybe he has given it, it's fair to say that we we kind of know that Marcus does not like playing fullback.
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe he doesn't hate it, but he doesn't love it by any means whatsoever.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: and he I think that's fair to say. And he does not get enough credit for ponying up and say, fuck it. I'm still going to do my job and do it damn well. And, you know, and he he's got he he could be he could he could go out there and just have a huge whinge in the media.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. I'm going to be your best 15. If you're going to put me at 15, I'm going to be the best one.
Jarrod Dyke: And he doesn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And then that's kind of what rugby is. Rugby won't do that in general. But he could. And there's things are changing nowadays where he he could do it and get away with it and not have a huge issue.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's not Ford.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, and people might agree with him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: But he's still just, you know, he's putting on that 15 kit and giving his damn best. And it's really, really fucking good, as you pointed out.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: like So while those that are pouring the shit on Marcus Smith, take a little bit of the shit and put it back inside you. Because you need to give this man some credit for just doing what's asked to him and not really saying boo.
Jarrod Dyke: He doesn't love it. but he's more than happy to do his job for this team because he is that selfless of a player.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So throw that out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Also, you know, I said nice things about him, but Oz went off on this rant at some point about, you know, if it was, if it was Ford out there instead of Finn Smith, like he'd have him play this way. and And then, and it's just that experience that you really need in ah and ah and a test team.
Grumpy Old Prop: and And I just don't know that Finn's there. He's certainly not on the level of George Ford. And it's like, Shut the fuck up.
Jarrod Dyke: One went to Australia this um this past summer, one didn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, George Ford is... Like...
Jarrod Dyke: Let's just point that out.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Like, shut up. Like, just shut your mouth.
Jarrod Dyke: Fucking idiot.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fucking helmet. Like, we get it. you're You're friends with him and his dad. Like, great. Nobody gives a fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: Dad's an asshole.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's not... His dad's an asshole. He kind of sucks.
Jarrod Dyke: Would not be gloating that, that's for sure.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: No, no, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Because, you know, you also wouldn't have seen that that the Fay Waboso try or the Arundel try. It would have just been the the um Genge and Cowan Dickey and George and Morrow tries.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's all they would score with with someone like Ford.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Also, they wouldn't score that many because there'd be too many penalty cases at goal.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. I do want to get into one thing with Fiji and then we'll move on.
Grumpy Old Prop: But, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: Poor Peter Gus. I feel like he he just got absolutely done dirty by the All Blacks because watching him in this game, like they didn't need him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Certainly.
Jarrod Dyke: Of course, when the when the black shirt calls, you don't say no.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, it's just one of those things. But I feel like if they he was truly not in their plans going forward, they did him dirty here, and they should have said, you know what?
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: you You are not going to be in our future.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: we would give you a black shirt, but at the same time, I think you'll be better off just not getting tied to us, and you can play for who you see fit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And obviously, that would lead him to playing for Fiji. So he's been robbed of a handful of... Vigian caps at the minimum, at the minimum. And he looked great in this game, honestly. he was He was everywhere and just making life hard in space because that's what he does. He's very good at that.
Jarrod Dyke: And shit, we were we were robbed as rugby fans of not seeing more Peter Gus in the Flying Vigian shirt.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: So and that that put that one I put on Fozzie.
Grumpy Old Prop: but Another...
Jarrod Dyke: So fuck Fozzie for that.
Grumpy Old Prop: another It's another reason why the um island teams are so key in in super rugby now. um
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: you know Keep some guys in their home country. They can still play and and earn a living. and um you know Even if they're tempted by the All Blacks, they can be like, oh, wait. i have but know still My team is on the come. like This is a good Fiji team still. they're They no but keep getting better.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's, you know, it it's just this is one of the best teams in in the the world that they're playing.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, we got a lot of talent across from there. Not that they don't have it too, but yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Always fun to see guys like Maui and my ah Man out of Anua just talking about the current teammates, old teammates, Revolvo. You know, like, yep, because obviously they a lot of these guys either played or played play or played with a lot of the English guys.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep. Did you see the... ah
Grumpy Old Prop: did you see the video on um from Saracens? They did it. up They put it out on Tik TOK. I'm not sure if they did it on other platforms with, um, someone was teaching some of the, I guess it might've been Ben Earl and Jamie George, something like that.
Jarrod Dyke: Some of the Fijian lingo. Yep, I saw that. yeah, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: regg and the Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah I did see that.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I'm like, I really want to know what he's telling them to say. Cause they never really said it. And I don't think it was good luck.
Jarrod Dyke: but ah Probably not.
Grumpy Old Prop: I get, I get the distinct feeling. It was not good luck.
Jarrod Dyke: No, probably wasn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: No, it probably wasn't. um Okay, let let's go over to Italy. So first... before we get entirely into the match, although it's obviously going to have plenty to do with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: Honestly, this is what I've been talking about when it comes to, um
Jarrod Dyke: when it comes to Italian rugby, like, and they've been doing a really good job of it. They need to get the the rugby into the north of the country where, where their, where their clubs are.
Jarrod Dyke: And, and, and, I don't think they have any matches this this November scheduled for Rome, which is good. And I know that's where their rugby HQ is, but they they very very much like they very they very much like the U.S.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. They're going on the road. They're taking.
Jarrod Dyke: are playing their rugby at home at their quote-unquote home stadium, which is a very bad spot for them. think that's fair to say. Because, yeah, this is yeah this is way up in the mountains.
Grumpy Old Prop: But they're taking it on the road this this fall. So, yeah. I mean.
Jarrod Dyke: they're way up and They're way up in the mountains. I think they're in Turin next.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And then either Genoa or Bologna then after that. So that's that's great.
Grumpy Old Prop: bology Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That's great for for them. And yes, they're going to probably play two really tough teams that are probably going to give them a good whacking. But...
Grumpy Old Prop: but But the thing is, the thing about Italian rugby is you never know.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, the they can put together a perfect performance and everybody, including them, are like, we don't know where this is fucking coming from. just We're just going to enjoy it while we're here. The other team's like, fuck, everybody's going to be talking about us as to be lost to Italy.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like it's some, you know, but it's not the way it used to be.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah,
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not Italy of four or five years ago. And it's certainly not, that's not to say this is the Italy of four to five years from now. Cause I think, you know, when the world cup comes to the U S if it does, but the, the, the current, the world cup that's currently slated to come to the U S I would believe that, um, Italy is going to be a major factor.
Jarrod Dyke: right.
Grumpy Old Prop: at that World Cup.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah right
Grumpy Old Prop: Just, you know, that team is, is is can be, can be dirty.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed.
Jarrod Dyke: This...
Grumpy Old Prop: um That, ah like, Ioani and Lina, that's just right there. um And Caputo.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, Caputo, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Filth.
Jarrod Dyke: and
Grumpy Old Prop: But the same time, the same is true of the Aussies, right? they're They're kind of... That's why this was a surprise that Italy won. Because right now, Australia, I would call the better team. I thought Australia was going to win. But there's always that... Like, you know, Italy can jump up.
Grumpy Old Prop: Australia's not perfect. um
Jarrod Dyke: No, they're not as consistent as like the as they will be at some point.
Grumpy Old Prop: You know, Carter...
Jarrod Dyke: They're not.
Grumpy Old Prop: Exactly. Like, they are... They're going... I think they're going in the right direction. I like the way they're playing. And I like the players that they're choosing.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: But they're just a little... green for now. um You know, aside from from Jake Gordon. um
Jarrod Dyke: Right. Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: So they still got to, you know, they still got to work there at the nine position. But other than that, this is a solid team all around.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, ah I mean, i will say, knowing what we know about what's going on with Rugby Australia, I can't say I'm overly convinced that what happened, that buying, paying so much money for Carter Gordon to come back was really worth it.
Jarrod Dyke: And I know, I know he scored and yeah he looked art he looked pretty good, but like.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Well, I think they've... That's the other thing is they've they've seen Tane Edbend and they're obviously...
Jarrod Dyke: unconvinced by it and they but they all they have they don't have their best options available right now. Lilliceo's not available.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Lina's not available. like you You don't want to roll out James O'Connor more than you have to because he's is getting up there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, there's no point. Like, at this point, they should be rolling out Tane Edbend. I mean, if they hadn't they hadn't brought Gordon back.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, and yeah, I, I've just, you know, as, as, you know, as you're kind of saying, I don't know by the next world cup, if Gordon's even going to be there, they're starting 10. It kind of has to be for the the money they threw at him.
Grumpy Old Prop: But, you know, as you said, line is there.
Jarrod Dyke: Will not he's earned it as a different story.
Grumpy Old Prop: And as I said, Edmett's there. It's like the reality might and intrude well upon that. Um, I think there's other guys you, you, you might've wanted to bring back instead.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Maybe. Oh no, but, um,
Jarrod Dyke: Also, I'm not sure.
Grumpy Old Prop: Nowakuna Ndawasi is coming back, but who knows?
Jarrod Dyke: that one. Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: Who knows if he's like, yeah, Corey Tool is pretty damn good. Callaway is pretty damn good. um Shit. Who am i missing? Who's injured? um
Jarrod Dyke: couple guys, but Daigun is out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah they have some.
Grumpy Old Prop: They have way they have back three players. They don't they don't really need Nowakuna Ndawasi.
Jarrod Dyke: They do.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. What's the kid? the The young kid, Ryan, hopefully comes good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm. Oh, God, Ryan.
Jarrod Dyke: he's he's He's very green.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, get him out there.
Jarrod Dyke: It'd be great to see him, though.
Jarrod Dyke: Also, I'm i'm not overly convinced, and this is of it's ah it's a super Andrew Brace call, I'm not overly convinced that Carter Gordon Strasher to count it.
Grumpy Old Prop: I missed it. I didn't see it.
Jarrod Dyke: It kind of sort of pretty clearly came off Harry Wilson forward.
Grumpy Old Prop: I will say.
Grumpy Old Prop: Huh.
Jarrod Dyke: but like ah from the the most neutral of eyes, ah knowing Andrew Brace just sucks. It shouldn't have counted.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, Dylan Peach. That was the other one I was thinking of. And Jorgensen. Jorgensen's hurt too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, yes. Yeah, that's right. Yes. I was thinking, yeah, Peach. I just couldn't remember the name.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Tom Wright's hurt for a while, i think. So that doesn't help to either.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: that He would definitely be a part of this. um Yeah. I don't know.
Jarrod Dyke: i'm not to So I'm not convinced that Gordon was worth the money. But yeah, Italy, yeah, there's there's some.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Here's the wild thing about Italy. They sat Lamro, and as much as we love him, I think we're realizing they're realizing that Lamro is a wonderful leader, but he is not the best back rower that they have.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: And I mean that with the most affection for Michele Lamoureux. And, like, I've been saying it for a minute. Like, Zulani is probably better than him.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah and yeah
Jarrod Dyke: And, yeah, I think this is this is showing it. Vincent definitely needs to be in this team no matter what. And, yeah if your back row is going to be Lorenzo Canoni, him, and Zulani, like, yep.
Jarrod Dyke: And we saw how good Zimbornan can be. as well so that helps like yeah there's there's a lot of really good things going on there they probably need to find way to way to stop start working tommy allen out of there um
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah. And they also kind of got to work on the centers. Because.
Jarrod Dyke: menichello no but brex yeah brex is getting up there i think brex is older than menichello
Grumpy Old Prop: Isn't it always Manchello? How close he? Maybe had him back.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I know Brex is, but.
Jarrod Dyke: He's 23, Manchelo.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, fuck off.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck all the way off.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. yeah he's
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he should be going absolutely nowhere of the midfield for a long time. Yeah. think Brex is 30-plus. I like him a lot, but okay, so there you go.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, Brex is 33. Yeah. Okay, so you're good at it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I like him a lot and and like what he does for the team, but at the same time, he's 33.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: They need to start developing somebody else that's not him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck off.
Grumpy Old Prop: I completely forgot that Menichello was that young. Goddamn.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah. Well, that's why it was such a big deal when he won play.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because he feels like he's been around for like five years. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, he won play the tournament, what, three years ago for Six Nations?
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck. use That was like the same as Kapozo.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, exactly.
Grumpy Old Prop: but Yeah, alright. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: he's ah Yeah, he's a pup too. Yeah, yeah and there's there's some things to like.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um they They probably don't need Freddy Rosette anymore. But I like Izakor, Pajrello, really good players.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: There's some really good talent coming through, and I know they they're still working on some other positions, obviously, as we've just discussed.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: um yeah Props being a little bit more on the salty side, I'm okay with, because you know that experience does does do something at the at the front row spot.
Jarrod Dyke: It doesn't do it as much
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it does.
Jarrod Dyke: in other places as it does for the front rowers. But at the same time, yeah, you do need to find some, some fresh bodies. So ah the the hooker coming off the bench, I'm pretty sure is fairly, fairly young.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So that helps as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So yeah, just, you know, and I, I like Quesada. I really do. i i i like him a lot. So, and I've been saying it since they got there. Like, yeah, I, you know, kra Crowley was only going to bring him so far.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: he did a lot of great things but he was only going to bring them so far and now they brought in a guy that has a tendency to take what was you know kind of a meh project was brought into ah better starting point and and brought along a little bit further than that and then pulling it further and and getting more out of it and i think that's i think that's what he's going to do going forward here so um yeah let's see they have some oh todaro duh
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, i I like him a lot. Oh.
Jarrod Dyke: Todaro, I mean, officially listed as a midfielder, but still, he's going to be great either the way. So I think they have some...
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, with that, that background, yeah, put him at 13. Manchel.
Jarrod Dyke: I think so.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck off.
Jarrod Dyke: They they have they have some opportunities to get some guys some time here, so I hope they do.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, yeah. I think i don't think they can't at this point.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: I think they kind of have to.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, if the if, if, if, if if because Brax is 13, just saying you don't need to be as sizable as a 13, then you do 12.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. That's one. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, Pudaro's still got that, you know, got that skinny childlike thing going on So he's not going to be able to slot into the midfield just yet.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's not small.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Tommy Freeman was the same way for a little while, too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Or or you yeah I mean, they could always they could always put Matthew Yawani He's he's a hoose.
Jarrod Dyke: Let's just keep that in mind.
Grumpy Old Prop: He could play 13 if he can learn to distribute a little better.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, sometimes that's a hard that's a hard thing to teach someone that's already got it in their brain that they're going down still.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's like a try. Fair enough. But at the same time, it's like, you know, with Tommy Freeman kind of um I'm thinking of that kind of frame. He's lots of the 13 just fine, but not everybody's tummy.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Freeman freedman also played has played fullback before, which you need to be a bit of a distributor to play there as well. So I think he's said i think he had some experiences that I'm not sure Ioani has had.
Grumpy Old Prop: True.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Let's go to Stade de France.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: So, first of all, I think this game is the perfect example of why 20-minute red card is fucking stupid.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: Because you had a permanent red on South Africa.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Red cards do not ruin games, guys. Stop with this shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: no Nope.
Jarrod Dyke: Because there's two options, and every coach in the world will talk about this. There's two options when you get a card of any sort, especially a red. You either bring your game up or you drop.
Jarrod Dyke: The defending world champions raised their game. I don't think there's even a question of that at this point.
Jarrod Dyke: And and France gave them the tiniest glimmer when BLBRA went off for um his yellow. And that is the only so invitation that South Africa did get to take this thing all the way home.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: And ladies and gentlemen, if you don't know who he is yet, may I please introduce you to Sasha Feinberg Ngamizulu. Like, all that ah we talked about it before.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck. Can you say that again?
Jarrod Dyke: Ngamizulu.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because I still don't have it down. Sasha Feinberg.
Grumpy Old Prop: Gamazula. Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: And remember it.
Grumpy Old Prop: and That's the first time I've actually even attempted it. So yeah, I mean, fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: And remember it because the DC comparisons and he will be his own player. I appreciate that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: But the DC comparisons are 100% founded. Like this kid is fucking good. People were like, uh, the people in the automation chat were like, Oh, he's not doing anything.
Jarrod Dyke: i was like, bullshit. Watch this.
Grumpy Old Prop: in Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He's doing just fine. Doing just fine. My friends. Yeah. That's scary. Like, yeah, Think about how good this team operated with, and with much respect to Andre Pollard, but how good this team operated with him steering the ship.
Jarrod Dyke: And that's all he really was.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He was just the rudder. He was just, you know, we're going to go this way.
Grumpy Old Prop: Here's a pivot. Yeah. Like, I'll get the ball where it needs to go.
Jarrod Dyke: We're going to go that way. And we'll put the ball in the air when when the time comes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Now you have this and the shitloads of talent that the South Africans have out wide.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like going...
Jarrod Dyke: Good luck.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's honestly...
Jarrod Dyke: Good luck.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like going from a Tom Brady to a Patrick Mahomes.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, is's a different it's different.
Grumpy Old Prop: Which is nuts. Because it's like...
Jarrod Dyke: It's still good, but it's different.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's different.
Jarrod Dyke: And it's like in a way, it's a good different.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. It's ah it's ah almost... i you know i for Personally, I think Mahomes is better than Brady. But that's just like as ah an all-around player. But you know Brady was the guy who... I'll pick you apart with my brain. i just won't move at all.
Grumpy Old Prop: Whereas...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, sledding those shoes for sure.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mahomes will make plays and do stuff you know that, oh, you're not supposed to do that, but it's like, well, okay, but he's also prepared for that and he's good enough to do it.
Jarrod Dyke: a
Grumpy Old Prop: so
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: that That to me is what I'm looking for um from from Feinberg and um and Gamazulu.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: That wasn't bad. i'll I'll butcher it less later. I apologize.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm sure you will.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Do you remember the old saying that we used to...
Grumpy Old Prop: But this is also...
Jarrod Dyke: Go ahead.
Grumpy Old Prop: but Go ahead. god You go first.
Jarrod Dyke: Do you remember the old saying we used to say when a certain player used to say play for Northampton?
Jarrod Dyke: Death taxes Kovac Rhynak. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah oh fuck yeah
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, I remember that one. That looks alex looks familiar right there. That looks really familiar. And I will say with much respect to Cobus, like Grant Williams should be playing more nine for them.
Jarrod Dyke: But right now it's okay. It's not a huge deal because obviously they have no issues with that.
Grumpy Old Prop: right no yeah he's he's good um
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And they just, you know, to to just kill France, like, they they went into a shell. I don't think there's a way around it. Like, they didn't, they were leaning on too much of... I mean, number one, this is like, if there's a team you're going to try to bash into next week, this is the wrong team to try to do it.
Jarrod Dyke: And if there's a team that could do it, it is France probably, but still you have too much out wide to try that continuously, especially like they didn't put BLBRA in enough winning positions.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Probably.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: He came close a couple of times, but like if those didn't tell you to keep giving him chances, like what, what's going to, you know,
Grumpy Old Prop: no
Grumpy Old Prop: I thought it was going to crack once. Right. Because like, ah yeah, against a ah lesser quality team with the chances BLABRA got. Yeah, he would have had one or two.
Grumpy Old Prop: But the point is, you got to give him the volume because, it you know, a game like this against a team like this, it's not going to that that ratio goes down.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's that's what that means.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So that sucks. But I want to go back this because this is this is the match that I was talking about earlier um with respect to the Scotland match.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: So you remember that? pivot You know, when Scotland kicked for points instead of going to the corner.
Jarrod Dyke: rewind that wanted
Grumpy Old Prop: The Springboks up by a point.
Grumpy Old Prop: Get the opportunity for a penalty.
Jarrod Dyke: to go for the jugular
Grumpy Old Prop: And they go for the go for the jugular.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: They say, you know what? We still have... Well, i mean, yeah, they were still on a card, but whatever. Like, that's not... You know, that shouldn't have come into play anyway. And obviously it didn't. They go for the corner.
Grumpy Old Prop: and they say, we're going to play down here. And they're rewarded almost immediately with that Williams try. Which... what France.
Jarrod Dyke: Great try.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. Well, well okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Great try, by the way.
Grumpy Old Prop: But what the fuck, France? I mean, it was... Yeah, the... um the the gunner off the mall from from France just got off slow or was a prop or was someone who had really had no business being there.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, totally. they I think they knew who they were picking on.
Grumpy Old Prop: What was that?
Jarrod Dyke: think it was a front row. I think they knew who they were picking on.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Then the rest of the defense just launches up to their man and Blames is like, well, i'm just going to run right behind you guys. Like, you forgot about the guy with the fucking ball.
Jarrod Dyke: The with the ball is the first one that needs to be taken care of, guys.
Grumpy Old Prop: but Completely.
Jarrod Dyke: That's defense 101.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Yeah, if they beat you on the corner, fine, they beat you on the corner, but right under the... like that's That's a chance where you're, instead of one point down, now you're six points down. You're still within a converted tribe.
Grumpy Old Prop: But instead, you give one up under the posts. And that's that's fucking game at that point.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm. No, that's when coaches start throwing shit in the box.
Grumpy Old Prop: With this team, game. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But that's that's the difference. And, and you you know, that... ah You know, I can't say that that was obviously the winner. They were already winning, but... but It was about, you know, the Scotland at that point would have just gone for the posts.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, let's go up four on France.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Instead, they put a nail in the coffin.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. That's how you win it. It was at, um, shoot, was it? Yes. Saracens talking about sale or something like that a couple of years ago with like, this isn't it team you beat.
Grumpy Old Prop: It might not. It couldn't have been Someone else. It was someone, a great team that they were like, you can't just beat them once. You got to be, can't even beat them twice. You got to beat them three times.
Jarrod Dyke: I can't remember who it was, but I remember that.
Grumpy Old Prop: And, you know, especially when it gets and especially when it gets late. You can't can't just say, okay, France will kick the points and that'll beat them. No. no
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Ill-advised.
Grumpy Old Prop: Also, Big Andre's looking like a forward, huh?
Jarrod Dyke: i mean, play him where you want, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Scoring forward tries.
Jarrod Dyke: he's just He's just talented, and he's not human.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So, who knows what is.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck, Razze's making me like him again.
Jarrod Dyke: Listen, i've I've said it before. I'm like, Jesus. like He's obviously on...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He stopped the shithousery and the helmetedness that got him into trouble with world rugby and such, and now he's concentrate on the things that matter the most yeah and yeah he's played some head games he i think he like named a team on um the twitters that he thought he was gonna face just to play some head games but you know those are good head games not the fucking yellow circles and shit like so so yeah it's hard to not pree at least appreciate what he's doing all right um
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: To Sunday. Principality.
Jarrod Dyke: And i'm I'm going to leave them with a negative, so I apologize, everyone. Is there a more useless second row tandem in tier one rugby than Daffy and Beard?
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: I can't think of one. like The scary thing is, I'd rather have Gilchrist and Cummings. That says a lot.
Grumpy Old Prop: it It does.
Jarrod Dyke: Because at least one one of them did go to Australia this summer.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that one can actually like run with the ball a little bit.
Jarrod Dyke: So we'll throw that out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: He can do some things, not just tackle and rock. But Daffy and Beard can, that's all they can do.
Jarrod Dyke: Which is all those two Muppets do.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And now they clearly have some attackers.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And, you know,
Jarrod Dyke: But, you know, you...
Grumpy Old Prop: like Aaron Wainwright,
Jarrod Dyke: Talk about a useless pile.
Grumpy Old Prop: Bracing for impact here.
Jarrod Dyke: Jesus. Oh, God.
Grumpy Old Prop: like oh Turtle. Duck and cover.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, man. i and i And here's the here's the thing. like Yes, he's bad. And no, they don't have any other options right now.
Jarrod Dyke: I would dig through my youngest players that have shitloads of potential and be like, you know what?
Grumpy Old Prop: Go.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm going to put you on the bench.
Grumpy Old Prop: Go.
Jarrod Dyke: And when this Muppet is gassed, you go instead.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, Tandy will figure it out. This is his first job at this level. So it's not easy. And it's, you know, there's a lot of learning curve to, to get through, but yeah, that's what's going to need to be done because he and crack mill and bless Falato cannot be your answers at number eight. Cause if they are, you are going to be in so much deep shit.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, on the other hand, I feel, I feel bad for him, but Jack Morgan.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: So here's the thing. Here's the notable difference between Jack Morgan and some of the shitty back rows we've been, we've been talking about. Looks like he's about to just go bash into a brick wall.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: He does something so bloody simple, but so bloody well. Are we sidestepping? And he scores instead of just running into the brick wall. He hurt himself on the play, but that was you know, not really, it that wasn't really anything to do with the sidestep. It was more to do with the fellow falling on top of him.
Jarrod Dyke: But like, wow, ah it's not, it's not that bloody hard.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well,
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: and really isn't. But some, some people just make it seem like it's so fucking difficult to sidestep a double tackle. Like guys, you know, Get out of the double and go to at least one, and maybe you can get through their arms, which he did, and he scored.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, come on, man. It's really not. it's It's as simple as that. and I'm sorry. If someone from Wales, blessed although Jack Morgan is definitely their best player, um if someone from Wales can figure out, I think everyone else should be able to figure that shit out too.
Jarrod Dyke: Just got to throw that out there. Come on, man. It's not hard. really isn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: but it's test rugby. You got to put your nose down and just run through it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Great fucking ninety idea.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: here's ah And here's the wild thing. Here's here's how much of a workhorse Jack Morgan is, though. He still led the game in carries. He had 14. He came off when 60-odd?
Grumpy Old Prop: Wow. See, that's, again, 54.
Jarrod Dyke: 54. Jesus.
Grumpy Old Prop: fifty four Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: fifty four
Grumpy Old Prop: led the the He only played three quarters game. Not even three quarters of the game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he's a workhorse.
Grumpy Old Prop: So.
Jarrod Dyke: He's a good player. Like, I'd have Jack Morgan over a lot of players.
Grumpy Old Prop: True. That's very true.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: um But i still want to I still think the U.S.
Jarrod Dyke: On the other side, for... It
Grumpy Old Prop: s versus Wales would be a fun but much more fun game to watch than u s versus Scotland was.
Jarrod Dyke: might have been more fun for Wales.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: um um So, for Newcastle's sake... Benitez Cruz looked pretty good.
Grumpy Old Prop: They did.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know, like, and I know he did start the last couple games before the break came, but, like, that might be the guy that needs to play nine for them for a while now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Assuming he doesn't get out of here with any injuries.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And also with for them, um you know, Mateo Carreras looked pretty... Oh.
Jarrod Dyke: Wait a minute.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wait.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, we talked about the whole mass, you know, sale of these guys.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. But, mean, fuck, he's good.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no hes he was really good. I was quite happy with that selection.
Grumpy Old Prop: And who let... I still don't know how anybody allowed Santiago Carreras to go to Bath.
Jarrod Dyke: ah
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know how that's legal.
Jarrod Dyke: ah I was actually thinking about the Gloucester situation. We're going to talk about we're have to talk about it on the way back to the Prem, but not not this week. um Yeah, no idea.
Jarrod Dyke: Beat me. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, and ah what i what I liked about the Argentine pack was you had guys that have played back row in the second row, and they didn't lose a thing, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, yeah, it's a mean front row, too, between Vivas Delgado and Montoya.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, that front row is just.
Grumpy Old Prop: It is.
Grumpy Old Prop: It is.
Jarrod Dyke: And there wasn't any, did you say, yeah, there wasn't any replaced a reprieve on the other side of it either.
Grumpy Old Prop: And with Gaio and Repetti and like. but
Jarrod Dyke: there Yeesh.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeesh.
Grumpy Old Prop: um That's like just going back to real quick to Wales, I saw I think it was squid talking about Reese Carrey and um somebody's like, men you know, he'd be somebody that like, if if they just like send him to South Africa, then like he'd come back in like three years with just a you know, if he'd, they'd done that earlier in his career.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I think a squid was like, man, if they had just trained him as if they were like professional coaches and player developers, he would be there all and on his, like on his own.
Grumpy Old Prop: You shouldn't have to send them away.
Jarrod Dyke: Aha.
Grumpy Old Prop: You should be able to dream develop them in-house. and it's like, that's true. Like Carrie is so athletic and, and but massive and he was just never it's just how old is he because just like well too old to to really reach his what could have been he's 27 but yeah if he was he's got a little bit of time so he could he could still become like uh you know vincent cock kind of from from on the one side but like just a beast in the scrum but also man you get him in the loose and fun things gonna happen um
Jarrod Dyke: little too old at this point, I think.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay, so he's got a little bit of time. I thought he was like
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: that's still potential, but he should be there by now. And that's not his fault. That's just, that's what he's been exposed to.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it's, know, the Welsh rugby problem, which was ah is a longer conversation to talk about, but yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Anyway, sorry to, to go back to them, but, but that's, that's, you know, that that's just to say that there's that on the other side of them.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no no, no, no, it was, it was valid. um Yeah, and.
Grumpy Old Prop: And again, back to your point of the the locks, the the flankers at lock kind of, um although petty, you know, Yeah, he I think I'd rather have him at at ah four than six, but still, potential was there.
Jarrod Dyke: I agree. Yeah, he has he has the ability to do six. Okay, certainly a club level, but probably shouldn't be there as an ah as an international.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Yeah. But point point being, you're going for you're going for athleticism there more than just, you know, more than just Daffy and Beard.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: And still, they held up. So...
Jarrod Dyke: Ugh. Knuckleheads and spades. Um...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know what purpose Josh Adams serves being in this team when you do have a re-sammit. I know re-sammit is coming off injury, so I get it. But, like, you have Blair Murray, have Tom Rogers, and he wasn't – and they pulled Rogers. as um I don't think he was hurt either.
Jarrod Dyke: I think they wanted to give re-sammit some time. But, like – and they've got other young, pretty exciting-looking wingers.
Jarrod Dyke: and back three players that they should just be giving run and tell Josh Adams to take a fucking big old hike.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I just don't see what but he good he does.
Grumpy Old Prop: i will say
Grumpy Old Prop: I will say i kind of i joined this game late and I didn't see the lineups beforehand even. um i had no idea that Josh Adams was playing this game until I just looked at the team sheet right now.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. He didn't, he didn't do anything. That's why.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I mean, I understand. i just that's that's not the Josh Adams we used to know. So that Josh Adams is gone.
Jarrod Dyke: No, he's long past that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Let's let's let's move along.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, like Cam Winnett, Keelan Giles. Yeah. There's Rio Dyer, if he's healthy.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hathaway is that way is halfway from from Gloucester's team.
Jarrod Dyke: don't think he's... don't think he's healthy right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: but Okay, but he is well. So im I'm just saying he's you know, when he when he is healthy, he could be.
Jarrod Dyke: I... but I do believe so, yes. I believe he already has a cap as well, so...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. but lots in Lots and lots and lots.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Um...
Jarrod Dyke: Alright, some superlatives.
Jarrod Dyke: Any way that stood out, maybe out to themselves.
Grumpy Old Prop: um outdid themselves I mean say the wingers for Italy because those are there they have been mercurial and to have both of them score and both of them Aussie born quite the coup on on their end
Jarrod Dyke: a Yeah, it's good. yeah yeah yeah no i like it um yeah i i put cc yeah when he was hungry and not not a dead duck um to your point i would throw ccs into that category
Grumpy Old Prop: reminds me of James Lowe against the All Blacks couple years ago
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, yes. Yeah. He outdid himself. Certainly.
Jarrod Dyke: yep and i liked a lot of um
Jarrod Dyke: I liked a lot of what was going on with losing his Brown from Scotland. liked a lot of what he did.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yep. He looked good.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. So there's that. um Shift the bed. and
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm trying to think of like who really shit the bed for Australia other than, you know the Sueli'i yellow, which was well-deserved.
Jarrod Dyke: Yellow. Yellow.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: right
Grumpy Old Prop: But like, i I kind of just want to say the Gordons, but they just, cause they just weren't, they were, they were clunky.
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe more Jake than Carter, but yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of where I'm, I'm leaning, you know, 70, 30, but still they, um, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yep. Fair.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like said, I still don't think Carter Gordon Stry should have counted.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm not going to argue.
Jarrod Dyke: So I think he got lucky. ah yougala youga like
Jarrod Dyke: yeah um
Jarrod Dyke: I thought second half France, for the most part, just really, they they they they almost invited the pressure on themselves.
Grumpy Old Prop: They booted it big time.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, guys, you this is, these guys, they were talking about revenge in this game and, you know, no amount, no scoreline from this game would have given them revenge for getting knocked out of the home ah home World Cup.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, let's be real about this.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: But still, like, even if you were, had that in your mind, like, I'm not convinced they played like it.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: it's It's just so unlike France to do that.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed. Yeah, i think they I think they just took their foot off the gas totally. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, I'm saying it. I'm joking because I remember the ah the how French. like
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, true yeah, but you know, what's it's kind of been, that it was the joke for a long time, but like, man, for it it hasn't been that way.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not that it was.
Jarrod Dyke: So it's like, are we going to come back to that now?
Grumpy Old Prop: It hasn't. No, that's why it's just a little throwback there.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: and I don't think we can say that after this one match, but you know especially not against the fucking two-time world champions where they were actually in it until the last 10 minutes or so.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it's hard to say that.
Grumpy Old Prop: So yeah, it's you know no, but this was a... I guess that propensity is still there. So it's something that they now have to realize, okay, if we want to
Grumpy Old Prop: if we really want to compete for that, we got to tidy it up at the end there.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, agreed. um
Jarrod Dyke: Anybody on the coach young player ref list?
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, coach, we talked about, uh, Italy's, um, Quesada, um, well done for him.
Jarrod Dyke: Quesada, yep. Yep, agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: Ref, uh, two, I have one. We, we, we missed it during the, during the, the, ah review um but who was it for scotland new zealand um it was nick barry with the the i got i got two ars making two opposite calls we're just going to reset the scrum like is it two ars one scrum like uh
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, Barry, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Yeah, that's right.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: like just hilarious because I think he was I think they were right too I think the one AR was like yep Scotland like Scotland like a from the far side was like again that New Zealand 3 got crushed and I think the um the AR on the on the other side was like yeah that Scotland 3 was boring a little bit so like between the two of them they they roughed it he's like you know no no no we're gonna reset it
Jarrod Dyke: That was funny.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Just reset. Yep. Yeah. Reset. That's funny. Yeah, that's good.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then the, um shit, who was it? the The referees, the way they adjudicated, and this Gus Gardner of all fucking people, um doing a good job with the TMO as as ah they they were working through Diagra's red.
Jarrod Dyke: Tempo. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just, yeah, a well done refereedage there.
Jarrod Dyke: I didn't have Nika Emesha Kelly being the voice of reason on that one, but he was.
Jarrod Dyke: Give him that.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah Okay, fair. Yeah, give him some credit too, because fuck. um It's, a yeah. and I was giving it to the to the the crew chief, but at the same time.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, i no, I like this. I like the decision. He was. Yeah, I like the decision.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He was always illegal. No, no need for that in the game. Get him the fuck out of here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Bye bye. Game over. Okay. Okay. And then, yeah. Play the week. Or try the week. Sorry. Try of the week. Try the week.
Jarrod Dyke: Try of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. I have to the Grant Williams try and um we skipped right over it. um
Jarrod Dyke: But now we can talk about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: But the Henry Arendelle try.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, that's why you're here.
Grumpy Old Prop: as soon as you chipped it through, I'm like, that's a try.
Jarrod Dyke: To do that, young man.
Grumpy Old Prop: As soon as you chipped it through, I'm like, that's, that's, that's a try. That's going. There's no, nobody stopping there. And like, he's, he's yeah. 10 meters behind the first guy, but that first guy is gassed. So i was the second guy.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, he's just going to, so you know, run right through him and, and finish it.
Jarrod Dyke: yep
Grumpy Old Prop: And the only, the only thing that surprised me was it didn't pop up for him. He had to to dribble it one more time.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah but he's a super skilled guy like yeah you had to know what was going to player of the week
Grumpy Old Prop: That was, that was the only thing that, that, that shocked me about that. But just the, the,
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Sasha. and um Again, too much beverage to try to mumble through that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Same.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yeah, I agree.
Grumpy Old Prop: No offense. I'll get it. i'll get it um
Grumpy Old Prop: Just, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, absolutely.
Grumpy Old Prop: On the road in France, put a performance like that up on the board.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's everyone needs to stand up take notice type of thing right there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And he's young enough that Drake perked up.
Jarrod Dyke: Uh, huh? What's that?
Grumpy Old Prop: said he's young enough that Drake perked up.
Jarrod Dyke: um And then tick of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, lewd. I mean...
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yep. Like, come on, man. Like, your arm is super tucked.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You can't not understand that you're going to be fucked the second you make contact.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, you're like, you were going to be lucky if you didn't get sent to the bin at the minimum, let alone, you know, once you freaking lit someone up directly on their head.
Grumpy Old Prop: You still have a duty of care.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, yeah, you're, you're done. You're done, dude. and So the that'll probably cop after you ban too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Godspeed, Lude. Good luck. Hope your couch is comfortable.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Yeah. yeah But that's all right. I think South Africa will all right without him.
Jarrod Dyke: I have a feeling they'll be just fine. Just fine.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay. So there's that. Slate's not as exciting this weekend, but there'll be some good ones still. Very, very interesting. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, well, yeah, England, New Zealand is going to be fun. Wales, Japan should be end up being a really good game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Oh, this is the week they're playing them. Why did I think they're playing Japan? Fucking dummy. Oh, yeah, because, okay, yep, I had them backwards. That's why. um One thing we didn't throw into the works too much about, but Belgium beat Namibia in the Rugby World Cup qualifier tournament down there.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: So, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So Belgium's in. Weird.
Jarrod Dyke: No, because Samoa is still there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh. Oh.
Jarrod Dyke: But Namibia needs to beat Samoa this weekend or they're probably out.
Grumpy Old Prop: OK. All
Jarrod Dyke: And that could set up a pretty interesting showdown the following week, which will be Belgium against Samoa.
Grumpy Old Prop: right, it's multi-weekly.
Jarrod Dyke: So that'll be interesting to see how that goes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Belgium.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, who knew, right?
Grumpy Old Prop: OK.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah england's okay Yeah, England, New Zealand, that'll be interesting.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: And Ireland, Australia should be interesting as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: That should be fun if nothing else. France, Fiji will be fun. i mean, i've like, ultimately, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Scotland-Argentina should be, should be, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Look, this this is a much different weekend for me where, yeah, okay, pretty sure South Africa is going to win, but I think that's going to be more entertaining than people would expect. um England, New Zealand, that's one of those...
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm either going to come away extremely satisfied or extremely dissatisfied with that game, depending on how entirely depending on how England play.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm, definitely.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Because if they actually play rugby, this could be a fucking fun game to watch. And if they don't, if they just play test rugby, then it could be really boring, but also compelling because it's still going to be close.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck you guys.
Jarrod Dyke: it'll be tight. Yeah. But so it would be nice if they opened it up a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: All right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. It should be fun. we I think this can be fun weekend.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, yeah, loads of potential.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't like there's a lot of i don't know who could, you know, they could, the ski these could go either way except for like two or three.
Jarrod Dyke: and Yeah. So that'll be fun. But anyway, um, I hope y'all enjoyed the rugby. Thank you very much for everyone that listens to us and lets us babble at them for a little bit. Um, Enjoy yourselves. We'll catch you guys next week. Have good one, everyone.
Grumpy Old Prop: Later. Later.
Jarrod Dyke: Cheers.
