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Season 4- Episode 20- Get You Up Out of Your Seats (Champions Cup Round 3)
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It's the latest from those American rugby dunderheads. On this episode we have plenty to chew on with the biggest bit being, all 6, 6 Nations squads being released for us to pick over and pretend we know better about. From the criticisim of Eddie, the excitement of Le Bleu and the hope for the Azzuri, we do it all in this. Also, there was some rugby, like a lot of rugby last weekend. We round up all of the Champions Cup action from the weekend and more. Pull yourself a drink, kick back and have a chuckle with us.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Promotion
00:00:08
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Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It is the fancy regular. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Benny Louser. Let's go. We got we got most dig into between this that and the other thing here. Smoke them if you got them or crack them. One of the other. We're both gonna have to ask me twice. Yeah. Find us on your favorite podcast app. Download rate review. Share sharing is caring after all.
00:00:35
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like that. Yeah, and always feel free to leave a note. Yeah, leave us a note. Feedback is always welcome. Right. As always. Yep. Anything you want us to talk to talk about or talk more about or less about or what have you.
Sponsorship and Rugby Enthusiast Talk
00:00:49
Speaker
Whatever your fancy. Whatever your poisonous. By our friend George, the fancy right be geeky coffee and or beer, however you wish to view it as, because if you had a decent week this past week,
00:01:03
Speaker
Or you are gearing up for the Six Nations fantasy. There's plenty to go around for this one, which is nice. You got the return of the prem. You got Six Nations. You got all sorts of stuff coming up that you're going to lean on him. So give him what he deserves.
00:01:23
Speaker
Also, grab your TRM upgrades, because as we mentioned, Six Nations is kicking off, we'll have Prime as well, so, and they do cross over, so that'll be key to making sure that you get your lineup straight. Because if you see, because you will see a name in a lineup, and you will think, oh, they're in their normal lineup, and you will go, oh, no, they're not in their normal lineup, they're in their national team lineup, and you'll screw it up. Yes, you will. I know people that have done that.
00:01:53
Speaker
Oh, wait, he's not. You know, something like that. Man, because nobody's ever done that before. So yeah, grab your T arm upgrade. Make sure you got yourself squared away that your all your green dots are lined up there. And we're, you know, we've been seeing an inordinate amount of late drops. And you won't get that
00:02:16
Speaker
You know, but you won't get that without the upgrades. You won't see it. I saw, like I said, I saw Willis dropped the other day or the other week. And I only saw because I just checked my, my lineup one last time because I'm a nerd like that. And that's right there. Big, big red flag. Well, red dots, but make a change. All right. Can do.
00:02:41
Speaker
Yeah, grab that.
Social Issues and Historical Context
00:02:43
Speaker
Black Lives Matter, as always on this podcast, and there is no room for racism.
00:02:47
Speaker
No. And issues abound going on, especially down in New York City, regarding people getting evicted, which is a problem in itself, you know, being evicted is a problem. Being evicted during a pandemic is a really big problem. So and in the middle of winter, like it's also that it's really the start of winter for us now. Yeah, I know. Now that we finally had our first snowstorm.
00:03:13
Speaker
Right. And that's just, you know, the majority of these people are going to be black or some other minority, non-white. And, you know, it's sort of vulnerable that we need to protect and we're not doing a good job of it.
00:03:28
Speaker
And that's really what it is behind the Black Lives Matter movement in general. And even back to, you know, this week we had, we observed Martin Luther King Day. And a lot of people are trying to get out there that he wasn't, like, if you actually read his speeches, and you see the way he was portrayed back then is the way that Black Lives Matter is portrayed in a lot of right-wing,
00:03:54
Speaker
circles, at least, you know, some, you know, liberals and stuff are okay with it, which is nice. Others are fully supportive, but like being okay is good. But the negative portrayals of his life were, you know, vastly different from how we view them today. And the way things he was talking about then outside of just Black Lives Matter are what we're talking about today. So
00:04:15
Speaker
I mean, he was considered a terrorist. Right. You know, it was like he the government killed him. And like, this isn't a. Oh, that's a conspiracy theory. No, his family won money in a lawsuit because they weren't like they were responsible. So like the FBI basically had to pay out because, you know, they basically had him killed like.
00:04:38
Speaker
That's how fucked up our country is. So big. What was you considered problematic or something like that? Yeah, it was right. Troublemakers troublemaker. That's what it was. Yeah, I was like, yeah, no, that's not a good. No, that's that's that's not OK. That's not OK. Right. Fuckers. But that's how we got good trouble because, yeah, you're a troublemaker, but for for good. Yeah. So that's where that's where we got that from. I'm down with good trouble. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
00:05:07
Speaker
Alright, also, on the more positive side, we have a Patreon if you didn't know about it.
Six Nations Content Overview
00:05:15
Speaker
And we will be, I think we'll be including some sort of Six Nations if we can, numbers in the Patreon as well. So whether or not it's super helpful, don't know.
00:05:27
Speaker
We've always kept track of Six Nations DRM, so there's no reason that we won't this time either. So yeah, just keep your eyes open on that. It won't be in the same capacity as we do the prem. No. But we'll work on it. Yeah, we'll have something there. And then, fingers crossed, we're going to get
00:05:48
Speaker
Something back this, this coming spring here, and that'll be, that'll be super, super F R D. We dare not whisper its name for fear that it would go away. I don't want to put too much out in the universe. Right.
00:06:02
Speaker
Hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, man. I will be excited if that happens. Yeah, for the win. Yeah. For the boys. Okay. Let's dive in. Let's dive into some more important things besides our Patreon because let's face it compared to that. This is not that big a deal.
00:06:22
Speaker
I disagree. We have six nations to dive into and we'll be here all day if we win too much here. In alphabetical order, we're going to start with probably the most talked about squad, which is England.
00:06:40
Speaker
Thank you. Yeah. Some interesting thoughts and some picks. You know, it seems to believe the likes of Ollie Chesham and Orlando Bailey probably won't see the field ever, at least not in this squad.
00:06:58
Speaker
I do wonder about that and what that does because we saw it happen with Paolo Adagua last year and then he went and got his ACL tornado. I'm not saying one has to do with the other, but I'm saying there's potential problems when something like this happens because you don't play it for what, six weeks, eight weeks, something like that. It's rough.
00:07:18
Speaker
You know, training's training, game is game. Very different. You can train the house down, but it's not going to ever match a game. Yeah. That's my thought. There are some, I have some question marks, like Chasm to me is a question mark, but then, um,
00:07:33
Speaker
he replaces a different question mark. So I'm okay with it. In George Martin, who didn't make the cut, which is like, okay, good. He's a jag at the prem level. I don't know why Eddie thought he was any better or any well suited for internationals. I'm kind of there with Ali Chasm. Ali Chasm seems like a jag at the moment, but he's also
00:07:54
Speaker
So, yeah, he's a little younger than Martin Disney. I don't think he's 22. So he was born in 2000. So I was 21. Should make that make you feel old now. No, I'm well, I'm beyond that. I mean, Martin's only 20 anyway. So he's he's young. OK. Yeah. Wow. I totally messed that up. But yeah, but it's.
00:08:20
Speaker
Yeah, I don't, I don't quite get Chasm, but at the same time, yeah, get, if you like what, if you see something, I, you know, good. I'm, I'm, I'm fully supportive of it. So now's the time. Now's the time to try at least. It's not like you have, I don't understand why there's both Jack, Noah and Johnny May on the squad. Pass hard on both of those. Like if you took the best parts of both of them and put the,
00:08:44
Speaker
that together, you'd have an okay winger, you'd have like an Ollie Hassell Collins type, potentially. Who's also in the squad. Who's also in the squad. It's like, but I think he's better than them combined. So I like, I don't get that. And those two are on and Radwen isn't.
00:09:01
Speaker
I'm wondering if Radwin's picked up something as well. Possibly. Or at least that he's not comfortable, yeah, if he's not comfortable at that level. I mean, everybody's on about Jack Noll's form. I'm like, why does he have form now? Because he's healthy? That's not form, dude. No. That's just being healthy and available. This weekend notwithstanding, he's been garbage. I mean, he had a try, but I don't know. You know, he kind of fell over. Everybody had a try for Exeter this weekend. You know, that's something to measure it on by any means whatsoever.
00:09:29
Speaker
Right. That's not him for him. He's been awful this year. Every good thing he does, he does something very awful as well. But I don't think, has he scored a pretty prime try this year? Maybe the one, but like, yeah, I can't recall. I'm not positive, yes. I don't know if you, you know, fuck.
00:09:47
Speaker
Yeah, I don't see it. And I will say I really this weekend anyway, I really liked what I saw out of Orlando Bailey, and I see why he's on the squad. You know, that's, that's to me another guy like Chasm where it's like, he's not bad, like there, there could be something there. And it's better, honestly, it's better for him to be there, then then the guy that people are for some reason thinking should be on the squad. Nope, nope, nope, nope for me, Bob. No, like see what you got with with the young guys.
00:10:16
Speaker
Yep, at this point. Yeah, I mean, for for the bad, there's plenty of good. Oh, I love this squad. Harry, Harry Randall and quirk both in there, which just screams fun. Tommy Freeman, good for him. Well done, kid. He's had a great start. Allie Hasselholland deserve call up finally. Right. You know, the likes of that. Frickin Joe Hayes, good for him.
00:10:44
Speaker
You know, I do like he's been very good. I don't. Yeah. So I don't mind him at all. So good on him. Well, Meyer continues to fucking get people get at his attention without starting a damn team for Newcastle. Right. I mean, he's got a good try record. So I can't knock that. Yeah. Six and five or something. Yeah. Go for it. Yeah. Like can't really can't fault that.
00:11:05
Speaker
And then this past weekend's hero for Woss, Alfie Marbury, which we were all kind of waiting on. So be interesting to see. I'm going to be very interested to see where he fits into this thing, because there's a lot there to like, you know, and we know the guys that he loves. And unfortunately, we're probably going to see fucking Korea eight, which annoys the hell out of me. But that's a different story for a different day. I don't know how you can do that with Sam Simmons and Alex Dombrandt on the squad, because one of them has to start. So. No, but love them at seven.
00:11:37
Speaker
Yeah. That's what he's going to do. I guarantee it. That's how he does it. That's the thing. That's what I'm thinking about too with the backs.
France and Italy Squad Analysis
00:11:45
Speaker
There's seven or eight distinct lineups that he could go with there that are just fantastic. And he's going to go with one that's like
00:11:59
Speaker
Yeah, like we're going to see Mark Atkinson and Henry Slade. No, he's pretty adamant that Farrell's going to help run the ship with Marcus at 10. Okay. Oh, Farrell. Okay. Yeah.
00:12:12
Speaker
OK, that'll make sense. And then, yeah, maybe, you know, but but it'll be like Slade, May and Noel. I know. No, I know. And Freddie and Freddie Stewart, who deserves it, but he's not that. No, he's not the dynamic attacker. The need what he's doing back there is his is the exact thing that he's very good at. And right. He has a purpose back there and he serves it to a T. And it's not knocking him. I'm just talking about that. But his type of attacking intent is exactly what Eddie likes. And I don't fucking get it.
00:12:42
Speaker
No, I agree. I agree. Let's move on to Le Bleu, France.
00:12:52
Speaker
It's going to be interesting. No child's all you've on right now, still banged up and hurt. So, and remember, these teams right now are probably going to be the ones that play in the first two matches and then there's a break. So you could very well see some changes. So yeah, just keep that in mind as well. Even, I think Italy is even reserved to say, yeah, there's a chance that we see other guys come into the squad once the break happens. But some,
00:13:16
Speaker
Why the hell they keep trying with Teddy Tomah? I have no idea. Fantastic club player. He's a shite national player. He's an absolutely terrible national team player. So I would not keep messing with that. Don't get it. I think he's a guy you want on a team because if anything else, he's good to go against in training because he's quality. And that's what I would do.
00:13:43
Speaker
Yeah, he deserves a spot on the squad. But it's like, yeah, Vieira is just he's got to be he's got to be that guy out there.
00:13:53
Speaker
Yeah, well, I mean, it's going to friggin fly. I can guarantee you that. We do see, we do see Anton DuPont named. I know he's banged up right now, but hopefully that's a good sign that we will see him. Jules Fabre from, I believe he's still playing for La Rochelle, which is a name that we've seen a lot lately. And okay, so that's another change out there, which I'm okay with.
00:14:17
Speaker
No, not that one. Let's not get into that. Labelle, which is a fun one. He's been playing pretty well for Toulouse. So yeah, lots to like this. Again, this is one of the most exciting teams for me to watch every time they're put on the field. I am like,
00:14:36
Speaker
what is going to happen. I am here with my popcorn. I have pissed. I have pooed. I am ready to sit here and watch this for all 80 minutes. I'm just going to enjoy it. Right. It's like, yeah, maybe get up and stretch it half or something like that. So you're not too stiff afterwards. But hopefully I've gotten up off my seat because somebody's just got an absolute world view from them. So problem solved there.
00:14:59
Speaker
Oh, shit. All right. Let's move on to Zuri. No, Carl O'Connor. That was kind of the big name that was left out for this one. They've got a couple of young 10s that they believe that they want to try and at least develop behind the obvious guy, Carl O'Garbisi, who's not going anywhere. He's absolutely 100% there. They're nailed on 10. They're hopeful. They're hopeful that
00:15:22
Speaker
Sergio Parise will be healthy for one final swan song at the end here. He's coming back from a broken hand, but with a little bit of luck, we'll see him out there and he'll get what he's been deserving of for so long. And just the universe just absolutely put the screws to him, unfortunately, in many, many ways. So hopefully, and even if he's, for whatever reason, unhealthy, like one final match, let him come in and say goodbye.
00:15:50
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Right. Even if it's like 79th minute or the last breakdown, you bring him in. Yeah. And let it let everybody clap him off. Just Yeah, no, he's going to stay on there. No, look at BG. That was the that was another big one that was left out. Obviously, they want to try they want to try somebody new and I commend them.
00:16:11
Speaker
uh, Crowley for trying this, you know, if I, you've, uh, uh, Lucchese there's nine caps between the hookers. Right. So this is going to be a hell of an experiment right now, you know, but there's, there's good to be like that. Like what really for, for Italy, what's the fucking difference, you know, are they, is this, is, is BG the difference between them finishing wooden spoon or them winning the.
00:16:34
Speaker
know, winning the whole fucking thing? No. So you say, you know, as you were saying, when we were doing our final prep, like,
00:16:42
Speaker
This is your throw some guys out there before the, uh, you know, this, you have two six nations before the world cup. So this is where this is a good opportunity to, you know, especially for Italy, you're not going to win blood, some new people, get them out there, let them see what it's like out there and also see what they do. Cause sometimes people like, you know, there are people out there who are, you know, we see them all and we're going to talk about them in a little bit, but they're diamonds. Like, like the more pressure you put on them, they just suddenly somehow get better. Um,
00:17:12
Speaker
And yeah, there's some people who play better the higher level it goes. And there are some people who poop themselves because it's like, holy shit, this is too much. This is too fast. This is too much. You got to find out. Yeah. You got to find out. And there's some people that take time to like, oh, you know, they need a match or two to be like, holy shit, that's it. OK, now I see it. Now I'm in. And, you know, but you got to have that opportunity first. You got to let them see it. So there's nobody in the squad with over 50 caps. Bromstein leads the way with 46.
00:17:40
Speaker
So it's a young squad. Just get them a win. I don't know when it's going to come, but get them a win.
00:17:50
Speaker
You know, when let's go because all these teams, all these teams are excellent. Yeah, I know. This is going to be this. No, there's no there's no there's no Mickey Mouse game that they can possibly capitalize on right now besides themselves. Right. There are no no dogs in this in this. It's it's a they're all fucking right. Brutes. Let's go over to the green and Ireland drop today.
Ireland and Scotland Squad Excitement
00:18:18
Speaker
No, James Lowe. He's got an injury that's going to keep him out for at least the first couple of weeks, I believe. Maybe longer. Yeah, it does. I agree. Totally sucks, because he was coming into his own, as we saw in the New Zealand match as well. But some fun names to add to this name. Mike Lowry, who has been... I've only had the privilege of watching him the last couple of weeks, the last two or three weeks, because that's when we can only watch him over here when he's in Champions Cup. But boy, has he been brilliant. My goodness.
00:18:46
Speaker
you know, just absolutely amazing. So uncapped, totally, totally deserved though. He was man of the match, right? This, this week? Yes. Like, and he deserved every, every bit of it. Every, every, every single bit of that trophy. Right. Yeah. He, if that's the, what, you know, his form has been like, then yes, no question. I want to see, I want to see more of him.
00:19:10
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. And there's some, some other fun names that are either low on the capitalist, Mack Hanson has apparently been, we haven't seen any of Mack Hanson because he's been hurt since champions got kicked off. But apparently, in USC, you've been absolutely amazing. So they're going to give him a role. Our old friend, brother of Luke, Jack Hardy is back out there.
00:19:31
Speaker
Yeah. That'll be good. I don't mind it at all. I do. That's when we got Luke. That's okay. Balakurin, who you and I were just gushing about before, he was also brilliant on the weekend.
00:19:47
Speaker
Very good stuff. Yeah. A lot of names on here that you just, you got to be excited about to watch. Yeah. And I know there's a balance and Johnny Sexton. I don't see him starting every game. I just got to the, I was just scrolling down and saw it. I was like, Oh yeah. Oh, and Johnny's like, I'm not really excited to see him or, or I know it's, um,
00:20:11
Speaker
sacrilegious in some circles. And I say it with the utmost reverence for him. I'm not that excited to see Bondiaki anymore.
00:20:19
Speaker
Yeah, we'll see. Yeah. That's just, it's not a, no disrespect. As far as that type of center goes, he is the only one they have. So if you need that type of center, he's the one that you pick up the phone for. So yeah, that's where that's at. Right. I'm hoping that that's all, that's all they use him for. And that's just as a neutral wanting to see exciting, expensive rugby. Cause I find that to be a lot of fun.
00:20:43
Speaker
James Hulme should bring that up if they get to start. I like the way he plays versus past weekend as well. All right, moving on. All those Allster, that whole Allster back line was just great. And then let's go over to Scotland.
00:21:02
Speaker
And England's first opponent is coming up this weekend. And Andy Christie. Andy Christie. Yes, our boy. You know, kind of stormed onto the scene the year of lockdown and, you know, the restart rugby. But man, he has been a project restart. That's what it was. It doesn't matter.
00:21:27
Speaker
You know, cause obviously we had to, this Harrison's had to change teams a lot and you know, you had to have kind of like two different teams going at once. Uh, and yeah, put his hand up in that, uh, in that little spurt. And, you know, they obviously went to the championship and he played a lot of meds for them there. And he's played a ton for them since they've come back to the prime and man, just good on him and just putting his hand up and taking his opportunity when it was given to him. And you can't, you can't be nothing but happy for the kid. Yeah. Got to love it. Got to freaking love it.
00:21:57
Speaker
Yeah, and the videos on Twitter, if you haven't gone, if you haven't scrolled through his timeline to see that thread of him telling his family and friends.
00:22:10
Speaker
That was, it was fantastic. His family didn't hear, his friends heard, you know, obviously his rugby attuned friends probably heard before he could get to them that he'd call your family first. So there was someone who was like, yeah, I heard already, but that's cool. No way. That's not him. Yeah, my brother actually.
00:22:28
Speaker
I think so. I think he was like, I'm going to give you a little shit here. I already gave you too much. Yeah, absolutely. Good stuff. Fantastic for him. We see a couple more uncapped guys, Kyle Rowe and Ben Bellicott and Ben White. Like, whoo, just throwing in some freshies in there.
00:22:46
Speaker
Hey, and I, you know, I, you know, I like Ben White a lot. Okay. So here's the crazy thing for my TRM team. I keep Alex Mitchell, but I lose Ben White. Right. Like what the fuck? It's not cool. I'm basically glad I have Danny care. Cause he hates him. I think I'm going for Danny. But either way. Yeah. Good to see Ben White get the call.
00:23:11
Speaker
Yeah, and Red Path Back, which was something that made us all very excited. I would anticipate something like Chris Harrison, Cameron Redpath-Midfield, maybe? I would appreciate that. And Hutchinson. Well, the Hutchinson this weekend was no fucking joke either. No, it wasn't.
00:23:29
Speaker
um he's he's you know putting his hand up again but i mean might be a little too too little too late for this go around um he has to keep this up i would i would say yes no no doubt a better look no doubt no doubt but so this is a this is this is some squad so this is no longer the the pushover that scotland once were so uh now not everybody duck and cover when they set the field because it's not going to be it's going to be a war it's going to be a fight
00:23:54
Speaker
It's it is. And we didn't mention that. I mean, Ali Price, too, is just has been insane. Yeah, he's been superb. So like him and Finn Russell, I am looking forward to seeing more like all this. You know, we've seen all these guys recently. But like it's going to be fun watching them operate again. Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:16
Speaker
I agree.
Wales Squad Challenges
00:24:17
Speaker
Over to Wales, who are the defending six stations champions, by the way, don't forget that, which is really stupid to think about. But that's, that's facts. Here's the bad news. I don't see a lot of solutions to the lineup problems that they had. Because watching
00:24:36
Speaker
Ryan Elias and Dewey lake this past weekend. So if there's another hacker on there that I missed I apologize, but just those are the two that I see in front of me right now.
00:24:48
Speaker
Neither was great. Bradley Roberts. Okay, so I didn't see you. I don't know. Yeah, I know. Okay, so there you go. So yeah, reason we didn't see him because he's got friggin what to say sitting in front of him. Hey, or hearing, excuse me, right?
00:25:09
Speaker
So that'll be interesting. There are some good things that I saw here. Osprey's Jack Morgan, I thought, was actually quite good this past weekend against our very tough team. And we'll talk about the game in a little bit. But he was one of the better players for Osprey's. And this is a team that's got zero points in the champion's cup. So I don't know how much that says. But it was very good. So I'll give him the credit where it deserved, no doubt.
00:25:34
Speaker
Dan bigger is going to be the captain this time around because there's, um, there's, there's guys missing like Alma Jones. Um, so that'll be, that's disappointing, but it's, it's facts. Hopefully, um, and the sheriff. Yeah. Nope. Nope. Right. No one's either. Yeah. Robolot comes back soon here. Um,
00:25:55
Speaker
but it does give a bigger, an actual reason to talk to the officials, so. Yeah, it's truth. Truth. Very true. But I wonder if it's gonna be bad if he does the Flappy Bird thing.
00:26:08
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Interesting with four tens in this, in this, um, in this team and scum, all they're all right in a row and scum bigger priestland. I guess they're listed by a position in that case. Um, that makes more sense. Right. I'm looking at them like they are not all in a row. No, thank you for, thank you for listening. That is in that fashion. That helps my brain a little bit at least. Um,
00:26:33
Speaker
So yeah, it's, I don't know where they all fit in. I mean, Anscombe's played pretty well since he's come back. He's obviously a long, tough road. Priestland, I think is the, in case of emergency, break glass here to release the priest, but like, that's it. I don't see anything else beyond that. So we'll see.
00:26:55
Speaker
He's been so, so, although his last match, his last couple have been good. Yeah, much better. Yeah. Kieran Hardy, who was one of the question marks over the Wales team that played England and actually performed quite well, is in here along with the obvious customer there, Carrot Davies and then Thomas Williams. So, anybody's pick on that one, honestly, the way Peaback has been doing it. So, good luck figuring that one out.
00:27:24
Speaker
So yeah, again, and then the the Exeter guy, Shinsa, we'll see. We'll see all that because we haven't seen any of him for a while now. So I don't know. No, we got to see Dave Ewers. It's more important. Dave Ewers that, you know, who probably should be international, whereas Chris Shinsa is actually an international.
00:27:47
Speaker
Yeah, that's gross, but whatever. I mean, Sam, you know, well, yeah, Sam Skinner even has trouble getting a look and he's on the Scotland team, too. Well, they got he's going to leave their fucking asses for Edinburgh next year anyway. So good for him. Yeah. Mm hmm. Agreed. All right. Well, the actual would be trying to do this and not too long of a fashion here. Yeah.
Munster's Narrow Victory
00:28:11
Speaker
Well, these games are.
00:28:13
Speaker
Yeah, we'll start with the boring one. I say boring and don't don't say that to monster people because they were very, very much stick up their bum and squeaky bum time and all that shit cast in monster in France. I mean, cast made it ugly. They they really did. Like this was not a fun match to watch by any means whatsoever. No, it wasn't. And they didn't want to be there. There's there's kind of a
00:28:38
Speaker
an air of illegitimacy about some of these, not that it's, it's anything like wrong it's just that these some of these clubs just don't give a fuck. No, no, don't give a fuck. I could have called like I didn't see the last try because I, I think I had it on the small screen.
00:28:56
Speaker
But I saw it last I had seen it was 13 nine. And I figured it just ended that way. Because I was like, holy shit, I was like, because I missed I missed like the five minutes of the ending. By the time I looked, I looked up, everything was off, right. But but they even like the players it clapped off like they had done the whole like this is a final score that the broadcast was over.
00:29:14
Speaker
and so I was like and then you mentioned that monster won and I was because I was like oh the monster is going to win this at the death and I think oh holy shit that monster just never did it like cast were like basically saying yeah go you can win this match like you can do it go go ahead yeah finally they did yeah um yeah it's uh it was it was it was another one but you know what as a if you're a monster fan you take it
00:29:38
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know who the poor sap was that Nikosi ran over, but good lord, get the hell out of that guy's way because that looks like it hurt. Like that was not. Yeah. Who was that? Might have been. It was one of the wings. I think it was either Conway or Earl's. And I don't know which one it was, but it looked like it hurt. I thought it might have been that the nine was out there or something. Oh, maybe Murray was out there. No, it was one of Murray because he's too big. It was someone small. Fair enough. Yeah, I don't know.
00:30:04
Speaker
Yeah. So it was a, it was a tough old game for, you know, just some of these pitches in, in France suck too, especially with the weather on top of it. So yeah, it's not fun. Um, but yeah, so it's, it was, the job was done and monster get, get what they need. And I believe they are.
00:30:24
Speaker
They are qualified, so they are going to go into the round 16. Obviously, this weekend, they're going to play to make sure that they don't end up on the wrong side of the home away. They probably want to get home. Bristol's right below. Toulouse is below them. No, Toulouse can't catch them, so never mind. Yeah, so they got one or two that they need to keep their eyes peeled on. That's all. Yeah.
00:30:52
Speaker
All right.
Marcus Smith's Brilliance
00:30:53
Speaker
And then to the other one, Friday night, Cardiff and Quinn's and we left that one to the fucking last minute. Hey, holy. OK, so the people talking about. George Ford. And we'll get to the other. There's two halves to this story. OK, first off, how awesome was Marcus Smith to end that match?
00:31:15
Speaker
Absolutely. Brilliant. OK, that's that's right. That's out of the way. How surprised were you that that happened? I never actually thought twins were going to lose this match, even though they were they were, you know, where they were. And I was like, they got this. They got it because I was like, even when even when I thought that when Evans made that second, that conversion to put him up.
00:31:38
Speaker
3319. I was like, all right, that's two tries. And but it's still 20. It's still 20 minutes left. I was like, they have the ability to pull this out of the fire. You watch. Yeah, I was like, it's for because I was I was furious because like the the Dom Brant yellow was was kind of wait. No, it wasn't. I mean, the reference around didn't matter. Yeah. Yeah, the Dom yellow was poor. Like there was just some some really I didn't like a lot of the
00:32:05
Speaker
Yeah, the calls he was making, it was basically like the, but it was the attacking team can do whatever they wanted. He was consistent about it. So it's like, okay, well, you know what? Then I can't be too pissed about that. It's just more like, you know, have the ball. He'll give you the back of the doubt. Yeah. Quinn's got it. Yeah. Quinn's got it. Right. Possess the ball. And then, and then I noticed that, yeah, it's only 14. They're only 14 down. I'm like, Oh yeah, they could do this. There's no, it's not any stretch over.
00:32:34
Speaker
And of course it wasn't and but like, okay, just how good is he that you can just think that like, this isn't a joke. This is, you know, Cardiff, we're not fucking around. No, they were not. They were playing to win. They were at home. Like this was they were trying to make a statement. And this wasn't just, you know, statement made by any by all means, just the same.
00:32:57
Speaker
like, this isn't something to sneeze at, you know, you need like to for, you know, Marcus Smith to just basically take the game over in his own hands and be like, No, this is mine. You know, I'm taking it like
00:33:11
Speaker
OK, you know, that that you cannot argue with that. And there are, you know, we can say what you want about other tens. There aren't any other tens that you can say that about really right now, because Intimac is great, but he's got DuPont. I mean, not that, you know, Smith has care, but. Like DuPont is kind of the star, whereas, you know, here it's it's like all Marcus Smith. Right. We know who these guys are. Right. Like the rest are his supporting cast that are also awesome.
00:33:40
Speaker
Right. That's the other thing. Like these are these are good things. Right. Somebody that we kind of poo pooed on not too long ago, but definitely made a solidified things in the midfield. And that was Hugh Jones while Northmore was having less than par weekend for him, I would say. Was I not stressing patience with Hugh Jones? Have I not been saying like, right, give him a little bit of a time? Right, right. Coming out party. I think this is his like, Yeah, I get it. I see what I'm supposed to be doing. Yeah. So get on him and just kind of
00:34:09
Speaker
Getting with the program and yeah, loads of grids. Cardiff, good lord. They just took it to him and you know, Ray Lela was a problem for everybody in that backline. My goodness. Well, every time I heard his name, I'm like, oh, this isn't good. Yeah. As soon as you got the balls, like, look out, this is going to end well. Yeah. So, yeah, well done, Lela.
00:34:30
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah, lots of credit to Cardiff. There's there's still a lot, believe it or not. So that's it's absolutely wild. But yeah, so good on them. Let's go to Saturday, the first game of
Wasps' Triumph and Barbary's Rise
00:34:42
Speaker
Saturday. And wow, what a way to get it underway. My goodness. Watson to lose and the mighty mighty wasp get it done again. Slaying Giants left and right here. Huge. Yeah, I mean,
00:34:56
Speaker
just enormous, especially given the incongruity of the the cartage on a similar type of hit. I don't, you know, the Umaga I thought was a soft red, but I can understand it. I don't understand how if that's a red that the Gilanche
00:35:19
Speaker
card is not also a red, cause that was the standard. Right. And with that, like, you know, with your launch, it was more, he was always upright. So whatever mitigation there was, went out the window for me. And he was certainly more upright and less bent at the waist than Jacob Umaga was. But if you want to do that as your standard, that's, that's where you're at. And to be fair, Umaga's technique sucks. Well, it did. It was shit. Well, no, cause he, well,
00:35:48
Speaker
And I know he got stepped, but still it was not a good one. He got stepped and he was trying to pull out of it. It was kind of like a.
00:35:58
Speaker
a shitty situation. He got kind of in an open field place where he didn't want to be. I thought he I still thought he was low and I thought he'd been over. And that was, you know, the referee said he was always upright. And that's what kind of annoys me. Yeah. So that was not always like, yeah, that's not that's not correct. He was in a good tackle position as just his angle and his attitude were wrong. But his position was fine as a tackler.
00:36:24
Speaker
Um, I didn't, you know, I thought if, if his position was, was bad, then John launches was also, but you got to call it, you got to do that. Yeah. I agree with that. Good on the, on wasps for, you know, nutting up and saying, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll take this one.
00:36:41
Speaker
Yeah, we'll still do it. We'll still do it. And, you know, I'm thinking here, I'm thinking penalty, penalty, like they've hidden, they've had a couple of penalties from copper about 50 odd minutes in. And I'm like, Oh, man, they are going to need one more over the line if they really want to put the these guys to the sword, because to lose won't go away. And we know and we know that even without DuPont, they're not going away.
00:37:01
Speaker
He is special, but at the same time, like it's Toulouse. These guys are European champions for a reason. So I'm sitting here thinking they need one more and up steps. The man, Alfie Barbary, who knew? I mean, everybody else at Washington knew probably, you know? So that was the nail.
00:37:21
Speaker
Yeah, there are certain things where it's like when you look at that at the ball in a certain place, you look at the number on the back of the jersey of the person who's who's in position for it. And, you know, you saw that he was a six. That's like, wasn't he this week? That's Barbara. Yeah. That's like, all right, there you go. Like something's going to happen. And there did like he's he's just going to get it done. Yeah. You got to give him credit because he's you know, and Barbara is not old by any means whatsoever. Like there's no reason that he should
00:37:49
Speaker
feel pressure to perform and be that guy, but he has no problem taking on that role. So in that, that is almost one of those intangibles that you have to consider when you're considering somebody for the next level as well. You don't get many people that are like that where they say,
00:38:07
Speaker
this is my job to take care of this right now in this match. I have to be the one to get this over the line. Now, he won't do it if it's not the right thing. But he also gets done when it's called on him. You know, when he calls his own number, he owns it when he fucks up. And two,
00:38:24
Speaker
he usually doesn't back up, but he usually gets it done. So to his credit, there's a lot of times that, you know, that's that clutch factor and he's got it. So yeah, get him involved in the national team as fast as you can, because wherever the fuck you put him, he's going to find a way to impact the game in a positive way for your team. Yeah. And good on the rest of the, I thought the rest of the wasps really
00:38:48
Speaker
totally stepped up to. I mean, you know, because Willis had to come out and that's a big loss too. So you lose, you know, Umaga is a little bit of a heart guy and it can be a spark on attack.
00:39:03
Speaker
And, and Willis is just, he's like a talisman too. He's like him and Barbary and Willis and Shields and, and young are these guys who just good things are going to happen when they're around the ball, um, to lose two of them. And now it's nice that you could replace Willis with, with time young. So, okay. You know, twist my arms, but it just, it still kind of sucks. There's a, um, yeah. Uh, an annoyance to that. It changes the energy.
00:39:30
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I hope this is not what we see going forward to lose without DuPont. Because if it is, then that's really disappointing because I know they have a lot more in the locker. You see the lineup and you go, ooh. I think they let off the gas. Oh, I think so too. I think they got the red card and they were like, all right, well, this game's over. Let's just play it through. And all wasps had to do was say,
00:39:56
Speaker
No. And it was like, Oh, okay. Like, you know, there wasn't, to lose never, you know, they let their foot off the gas and then they never rose back to the, to the occasion. So not enough to overcome.
00:40:12
Speaker
Yep. Really great. Inspirational rugby. I agree. Um, let's zip over to, uh, Swansea and Osprey's and Rossing.
Ospreys' Struggle Against Racing 92
00:40:23
Speaker
And so Osprey's held on for about 65 minutes or so. And then the wheels came off. Um, I, I don't know how much of a look you got, but I'm the group with yellow card.
00:40:41
Speaker
I get it, but I'm not in love with it. Let's put it that way the, for the intentional knock and shoot. I don't remember this specific one.
00:40:50
Speaker
Yeah, it was one that looked like it was going to be a knock and then Ridley had like a second glance at it on the television, on the screen. And he's like, oh, let's look at that because he decided, because Ross and Warren attack and they had their foot on the gas and all that stuff. He decided, you know, this might be an intentional knock.
00:41:11
Speaker
And it might have been. So I'm not going to argue with it, but I just don't love it. So that's the thing. No, I think I think I was OK with it. That's why I think if I remember if I'm remembering the same situation over on the left or he was on the left far, far side of the field. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah, I was I was OK with it. I would rather see things like that. Like I didn't think there was an attempt to to catch it.
00:41:38
Speaker
And yeah, I think it was kind of the definition of it. Like, I think if there's like a legitimate attempt to catch, it should just be a penalty only. If like, it's an outside, like, you know, you were trying something that you really shouldn't have.
00:41:56
Speaker
Yeah, that's when you're looking into like a yellow card area. I think at that point, like you're, you're dicking with the other team, just a dick with the other team at that point, maybe, and maybe get away with it. So it's like, no, you tried and you failed. You get the yellow, you know, like you try to be a dick and you succeeded, but you failed to, to be a hero. So yeah, true. Fair enough. Like you can either be the hero or the go like, yeah, there's no, there's no between. Um, yeah, but you know, this, to Rossings credit, they tried to remain who they were.
00:42:26
Speaker
They really did. They tried to continue to play the way they play. And they knew that Finn never, never changed his style, which I hope he never does because he shouldn't because that's what makes him who he is. And that's what makes him fun to watch. But Guileficu. Wow. That guy was good on this weekend. My goodness. Like you can and you can see why
00:42:51
Speaker
They've leaned on him in the, at the French national team. Like I remember think back to like, what was it? Three years ago where he got stuck on the wing by, I don't even know if it was Gaussian at the time. Maybe it was, I think it was. Um, it doesn't matter. It was a poor decision and everybody knew it.
00:43:06
Speaker
That's not a spot. And we know it. Yeah. Cause he got turned around 10 times and turned inside out every other way. Like it was bad. It was very, very bad. He needs to be in a little bit more of a phone booth. And he performs super well in a phone booth. He's like Superman in a phone booth. Like, yeah, he's quite good.
00:43:24
Speaker
I loved it. And then just that, oh man, that offload to Baka tower. Glorious. I loved it. I was like, this guy's so, so this is a spot. Don't ever fucking move him away from 12 13 ever fucking again. Okay. Stay here. Let him have fun because man, does he have fun when he's wearing one of those shirts? That's your try assist 67 meters, like 14 carries.
00:43:46
Speaker
I mean, Oh yeah. Loads of carries, loads of carries. Always wants the ball. Always wants five tackles with no missed tackles. I mean, what in the midfield, which is not exactly fun to try that with, you know? Yeah. Right. And two clean breaks. Like impact just doing everything from the center position. That's, that's, you know, like when I, when I'm talking about, um, on the Yaki, I want to see 12 really like this.
00:44:14
Speaker
a lot of people do. Right. It's no disrespect to Bundy. It's just that Fiki can do a shit ton more. Sorry. That's a better player. It was fun. It was fun to watch. It was just so much fun to watch. And I mean, I spoke. He is a fantastic club player. The footwork of Teddy Tomah and the footballing skills of Teddy Tomah were on display and it was just
00:44:39
Speaker
One of those, this is the fun tries that you love to see, especially this is why also, you know, people love watching a team like Rossing or Toulouse, whatever. These are the fun things that you get to see with these types of teams because, you know, he just squares it over to Ian. And he's like, ah, easy, fall, done, thanks. I was like, ah, man, that is, that's just creativity at its best. And I really enjoy that. Like you don't see that a lot. So yeah, it was fun. That was so much fun to watch. And I was like,
00:45:10
Speaker
must clap, must clap for that one. That's the stuff that gets you standing up. Absolutely. It's involuntary at that point. Yeah, totally, totally. And you know, to Osprey's credit, they had moments where they could have seized this game and absolutely taken it by the scruff of the neck. And they were just a whisker away from doing it. And it was so close. And I was like, Oh, that's okay. Nevermind.
00:45:34
Speaker
So close. So, so close. It's a lot like that. But that South Park episode and it's gone. Oh, thank you. You gave us a hundred dollars and it's gone. I'm out. Precisely, precisely, sir. Oh, shit. All right. Let's go over to the sports ground in Galway.
Connacht vs Leicester Thriller
00:46:00
Speaker
Connick and Lester. Just.
00:46:04
Speaker
A fantastic match all around number one. No lies. There are no lies told here with that statement, I don't think. So yeah, let's just call that where it is number one. But this is where the second point of my argument comes into play. Sorry, I'm taking this over for a second. Talking, George Ford didn't play in this match. No. You know, they have, you know, Freddie Burns and I thought he did an excellent job. Yeah, pretty good job.
00:46:32
Speaker
And Connacht played fucking well. Like this was not a, again, same kind of thing we were talking about with Marcus, right? You're playing against a team that's there for a reason. They're a good quality team and you're going to have to beat them with your best, especially when you're on the road. And Lester did it because they have such good players around. Like, is this, you know, they didn't need,
00:47:00
Speaker
George Ford to do this, they can do it you know they have the rest of the team is that good so it's like, to me, if you know, I don't think you know if Marcus Smith wasn't playing for for.
00:47:13
Speaker
for Harlequins, if they had to play someone like, you know, their backup, like Will Edwards could, you know, he could probably still do it. He'd be okay, but he wouldn't do, he wouldn't finish the game the way Marcus Smith did. He would not have won that game the way he did, the way Marcus Smith did. I don't see George Ford is doing that either. So like, and obviously, you know, so that's, that's to me the, the, the, the yin and the yang of this. It's like Marcus Smith will carry a team over a great team. Whereas he's a match winner. Right. Whereas George Ford can be the guy, the guy who guides the team, but they don't really need him.
00:47:43
Speaker
Like he's like, you can have a great team and George Ford and you can do really well, but it's not like you can take a team. That's like, yeah, I got a couple of good pieces there. And then George Ford's going to make it home. Like it can, it can be done. Right. Right. Quality side too. Uh, don't get me wrong, but that that's anyway, that's where I was going with it. That's why I don't think George Ford, you know, he can, he can succeed. He can play extremely well at the club level. That's fun.
00:48:12
Speaker
Yeah. But besides the point, you know, there's a guy that, you know, was kind of man on everybody's radar, at least you and I and
00:48:27
Speaker
a few people that just don't like his antics away from the actual playing of rugby. And that was Jasper Beeson. And in this match, he looked like a guy I would want on my team all day long. Now, this is the Jasper Beeson that shows up every week for Lester, doesn't fuck around and can possibly do this on a stage with another green shirt that I'm in.
00:48:49
Speaker
but if he continues to be a fucking idiot and do, you know, elbow shit on the side of the rock, just because he doesn't want to frigging actually put the technique into the damn thing, then I'm still kind of 50 50 on it. But if this is him, I love it. But I'm at the point now that we've seen it too many times and he needs, he needs to go a year.
00:49:07
Speaker
For me, it's like you need to be able to go a year without doing shit like that at this point. Or else it's like, OK, no, like he's up to his old antics again. It's same old Jasper. He's like, you got it. You got to create it. It's not like, yeah, he's got to create a new narrative. It's got to be a long term thing. This is you're exactly right, though. This is the Jasper piece we have to see. This is this was fantastic. You know, you want to root for this guy, but we don't see him often enough.
00:49:34
Speaker
Right. That's the clear problem here. On the other side, for the the comic men who were on the wrong side of this, this one on this at the at the end here, Tyrone O'Holland, I picked the wrong back three player to friggin mention last week because holy shit, this guy turned it on for this game and I was... Holy shit. I was like, all right, this is this is what you got up your sleeve. All right, fair enough. I like it. So if
00:50:01
Speaker
And here's the thing, like there's still other players that they're mixing into their back three at Connick. So I can understand having heard what I heard about how Connick love to spread it wide and use the wide play, which is something that you would not think of for an Irish side, but holy shit, I can understand why that's what they want to do with the availability of the talent they have out there especially.
00:50:26
Speaker
So yeah, I thought that certainly an exciting match both, both clubs brought it and that that's, you know, that's why we love this competition. Oh yeah, totally, totally done. And you know, Lester would never say die obviously and got done. And this is, this is a reason that they're in front in the pram as well. So yeah, this is a, you know, championship quality team doing championship things. I mean, on both sides, but
00:50:52
Speaker
So right now are the big dogs for a reason. Yeah. And kind of gas got a got a rifle phone call from Andy Farrell. I thought he's been pretty good throughout for them. You didn't like the stats. He doesn't show amazing stats for him. But, you know, you look at him and you say he's a quality player. You he passes that I test. I give him credit all day. And, you know, it's funny. I didn't think a whole lot about Bentley Beelan. Until he left the scrum for Connor.
00:51:22
Speaker
Shit, it went to after he left. I was like, wow. Yeah. That's why he's an international. That makes a whole lot of sense now. Right. Now I get it. I get it. He stood up really well to Genj. Angir did not. No, no, no. It was quite poor. It's quite poor. Great pad. And then let's address the elephant in the room. I have a ton of problem with what Bundy did. Let me just start by saying that.
00:51:52
Speaker
I also have a problem with matching right now saying you must apologize, because that's a fucking double standard I am not standing for because how many big calls to referees completely cocked up. There's no apology that comes out of them.
00:52:08
Speaker
I think it's bullshit that he calls out Bundy for an apology. I'm glad Bundy apologized because he's a bigger man like that. And that's the type of person he is. And I wouldn't have doubted that for a second. But I do think it's bullshit and the media piling on top of it. Like, fuck you guys. Like, go to hell. Like, don't even give me that shit. Like,
00:52:26
Speaker
No referee ever apologizes for a complete cockup ever. See Christoph Ridley in week two of the Prem. Like, he totally cocked that up. And not only, like, it was so much of a cockup that they suspended Dan Kelly for the hit that he missed. Right. There was no apology out of RFU.
00:52:43
Speaker
Christophe Ridley, the head of the referee, none of it. OK, so I don't want to hear it coming from a referee. Shut the fuck up right now. You suck anyway. So that's that might be more to Bundy Bundy's point that he probably cocked up a lot during the match. He actually did get that right. Like you want to. Yeah, I mean, look, I.
00:53:01
Speaker
If I have you ever gone to a match without wanting to scream at Raynall? Oh, God, no. Of all the pressure freeze, he's not the one I love. That's for sure. And, yeah, to me, it's like, yeah, you don't like seeing it. Bundy was wrong to do it, especially because he's like reviewed again. It's like, no, they reviewed like they're right. Like this is clearly right. So just, you know, at the same time, I, you know,
00:53:24
Speaker
It's the heat of the moment. I've, you know, we've all fucking gone to the zoo at the end of a match. We've all fucking lost it at the end of a match on someone. Sometimes it's the referee. You allow it and you just, yeah, it's just right to apologize because, and as we all do, it happens. It's the heat of the moment. It's, and just to lose a game like that, do you? It's gutting. It's gutting. And then nuts.
00:53:51
Speaker
And you're not rational. You're not a rational human being. No, no. Rationality is completely out the window at that point. Yeah. And if you can't control, like it doesn't matter, you know, and it can happen to anybody. You know, the people that haven't done it are just the people who haven't done it yet at that level. Max. Just you wait, your turn's coming, motherfucker. Exactly.
00:54:14
Speaker
Yup, it's a fact. Tis a fact. So yeah, I, you know, good on Bundy for being the bigger guy in the end, but no, or being a being a bigger person in the end. But yeah, I also don't. I also don't appreciate Matthew Raul now saying you must apologize, buddy. You fucking cocked up a lot of calls in your career. I've heard zero apologies out of you, buddy. Yeah, that's part of the referee thing, as you're right. That's your saying like the you will like you'll like I'm above you. It's like, no, we're all in this together. You just you have you have a whistle.
00:54:42
Speaker
No, no, no, as a referee, like, like, when I referee matches, I don't want I don't want this for the players. I'm here for the players. I'm here to make sure that there's a fair game going on. That's it. Like, I'm not like, you know, I'll talk to them. I'll joke with them about things that are happening and I'll explain shit to them. But
00:55:06
Speaker
French referees are just dicks and don't do any of that. Yeah. Yeah. Let's put through the next window that happened. Stodd and Bath.
00:55:17
Speaker
as we'd expect. Good fight from Beth. Yes, totally. Absolutely. Bailey looked very, very good. Scorey on the score sheet again. Yay. I mean, I like that back three. So Beth, I mean, for me that I was watching to see what Beth would do. And I liked their, their intent from the lineup was obvious. And I thought they executed that very well. And now Rochelle are just fucking good. This is much better from Beth than we have seen. It's just that they're playing a fucking excellent.
00:55:47
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Good to see Cameron red path, even if he was at a position this past weekend, really, really, really good stuff. And our shell, the names you'd expect. And the guy that won star of the match to nobody's shot. Shit. Yeah. I will say if, um, if DuPont can't go for France, he should be their captain.
00:56:11
Speaker
Yeah, I wouldn't disagree. He reminds me a lot of Alex Dombrandt in a lot of ways. I think he's a little bit better, unfortunately.
00:56:28
Speaker
But that same, I don't see him enough. So I, you know, the flashes that I do get to see like the, you know, somebody get that shit over here, please. Right. So I don't really miss watching top 14 for him. So it's just like, Oh, you look, you know, the way he plays reminds me of just to do it all. Like, yeah, the job needs done. I'm there. I'm going to do it really well. Yeah.
00:56:47
Speaker
And then Sandy Park, you know, close at halftime, but man, just the gates opened, the gates of hell open. That was the end.
Exeter and Bristol's Resurgence
00:56:56
Speaker
You know, not a whole lot. The classical warriors could do about it. Just.
00:57:02
Speaker
You know, when they, they even got a try at 44 in, like you thought, all right, this, this could be a repeat. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. So two Xers credit, you know, they got it in the hands of a lot of the right people. Sam being one of them. I'm already being the other. Right. Uh, just, you know, those are the guys that a flat set too. Right. What's up. Flattery had, I had two, right. They get three three. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're correct.
00:57:31
Speaker
like damn boil boil was quite good we'll check the report here yep there it is 1856 65 and you didn't even get a third one near the end like the right two rejects that did um
00:57:47
Speaker
So yeah, it's just, it's a lot better for, for Exeter. And this is probably what they were hoping for the first time they played Glasgow. Um, didn't work out that way. They had later a huge egg. Um, so we'll see how they go do going away. I think that might be the problem, not necessarily the, the opponent. I think it might be the location. So we'll see. We shall see. Um, Bristol capping off the Saturday and looking a lot more Bristol. Very dangerous. Very Bristol.
00:58:15
Speaker
Um, yeah, yeah. Perties try to, to, to open the scoring. That was one.
00:58:22
Speaker
Fantastic. I mean, the decision was right. It's like, all right, I have a flanker over here and I have a wing over here. I'm going to give it to the guy that's really fast. Yeah. And the flanker was kind of covered. Like it was like they were taking up that space and give it to the guy who's just got nobody near him and wheels. Let him run. Yeah. No shit. You guys picked the wrong defense to organize. Yeah, no, no, no. And it's not the guy you want to leave alone, but OK.
00:58:48
Speaker
Yeah, totally, totally, totally. Yeah, this is a lot better than what we like. Harry Randall. Harry. Fucking Harry Randall. Yes. He's back. Yeah, that's what we want. That's what we want out of him.
00:59:02
Speaker
Yeah. As I said the other week, it's just like good plays. That's what you want out of that freaking, you know, that nine position in general, but man out of him, that's what you hope for. Yes. His box kicking still a little bit shite, but you know, it can be worked on fricking. Hey, though, you love the attack. His, his game management, like, fuck box kick. I mean,
00:59:24
Speaker
If that's what you're going to harp on him about, you're not looking at the right, as far as like, you know, that's why he's not an international. No, no, no, it's not white. No, he's an international. Like, yeah, he needs to get a little bit better, but
00:59:39
Speaker
I'd rather have someone with his game management and delivery and team play than a Ben Young's type who kind of just paints by the numbers and will kind of constrain his team in many ways, especially with poor service at the key moments. So a little bit of selfish play. I thought Randall, when he did selfish play, the one time when he the tap and go,
01:00:02
Speaker
scored a try. Scored it over the line. If you do something selfish and you score a try, you know, you did it right there. But yeah, it worked. You know, you and that's the thing. If you're going to be that dumb, you have to be willing to or that selfish, you have to be willing to take what's coming to you if you screw up. But if you get it done, then everybody's going to praise the shit out of you. Right. And Randall has taken the criticism and stride as far as I can tell, because he's been kind of meh. And I think he probably knew it. And this was a
01:00:32
Speaker
I think a statement from him. Yeah. I knew I liked topsy-o-jo. I knew I liked him. He's great. What he said, I'd start him. I was like, ah, yeah, yeah. Topsy, I love you. We should be friends. Him and Marcus Smith, when he mentioned that, it's like, yes, yes, I want that.
01:00:52
Speaker
took it to my veins. Like, yeah, listen, just shut up and take my money. Like, come on. Fuck. All right. Well, would you want not that? Why would you ever want not that? Fingers crossed. Fingers crossed. That's what we get. Good on the Bears. Stop front say still just don't quite look like they're at home in this tournament yet. So sorry for them. They got one more. They're not out either yet though. So that's crazy thing. One more. One more shot this coming weekend. Um,
01:01:19
Speaker
What is there to say? Here's the thing. All right, here's the thing. So let's go to the Sunday. Leinster and Montpellier.
Montpellier's Criticized Performance
01:01:27
Speaker
If a team like Montpellier is going to continue to throw out the binge juice, they should not be allowed to compete in this competition. I guarantee you this at least one to two other French sides that want to be in this, Toulon being one of them that definitely want to be in this. Right. And we'll put together a good team. So I think
01:01:47
Speaker
Champions Cup, along with top 14, need to make a, take a real hard look at that and go, all right, this is a problem because if you're going to be in the elite competition of Europe, it's not like Montpelier won a fucking title recently. So it's like, so not in the last three, three, four years. So just ban them for a year. You're like, you're, you're, you know, it'll be the top whatever 16s from the top 14. And, you know, but that's excluding these, you know,
01:02:16
Speaker
you know, Montpellier and Cast.
01:02:21
Speaker
And just saying, yeah, you guys are no longer welcome in this or not, not, not this year until you're, you're, you know, you're going to take it seriously. You know, you get the one year ban next year. If you qualify, you'll get asked, you know, do you want back in? You'll be, you'll be invited and you can decline if you want to. Right. Appreciate it. If you did, if you didn't like, yeah, like just let us put things in that are good. That was a, like I was talking about illegitimacy earlier. This was just.
01:02:50
Speaker
On air. And it wasn't like Leinster were doing anything crazy. It's not like they were like chucking it around like fucking Fiji or Tonga and doing like. No, they just, they were just. It's just like they were making two passes and running and then with just acres.
01:03:09
Speaker
Chewing up space easy. Right. Two passes away from the breakdown and that's enough. That was it. Without even blockers, just the straight two passes and go. I mean, that's just embarrassing. Yeah, it's bad. And it's also more of a as much of a knock on this format as well. So yeah, a thousand meters, a thousand meters lens to ran for pretty guy. We get a, we get a return to the old format after this type of shit. Thank God.
01:03:37
Speaker
All right, and then another less than close one, but at least the other team looked like they were putting up a fucking fight.
Bordeaux's Standout Victory
01:03:43
Speaker
Bordeaux and Scarlett's, you know, young kid, BLA, BLA, like, woo, okay. Sometimes you have to explain that that doesn't happen every match, just so you know. But, and then we, and you know, Bordeaux put out kind of a weird team because Cordero had to play nine.
01:04:05
Speaker
Yeah. And he still he still performed, which is, oh, man, the the whoever the backup hooker was that scored, it was a decoing like, yeah, fucking that was vintage. Santi Cordero. Like, yes, this is what this is what you pay to see when you watch him. That was great.
01:04:22
Speaker
because they were dropping him back on kicks. And that's exactly what he's used to. He didn't care about what was on his back nor should he. You're right. That's all. There's no reason not to have a different like if you if you have a lineup a certain way, you know, you can change an attack and defense responsibilities. That's no problem. As long as everybody remembers it. Yeah, just remember this part.
01:04:46
Speaker
Good to see Jelly Bear back out there. Unfortunately, he came off with a little bit of a nick. Hopefully, that's the minimum. And that's all it is. We'll see him soon. But yeah, so Bordeaux alive and well in this comp, obviously. They enjoy Europe just as much as the next team. So that's good to see them putting up the fight. The other one that was happening in this window was Northampton and
Ulster's Narrow Win Over Northampton
01:05:11
Speaker
Ulster. And this came down to a surprise. Squeaky bum time, as we like to say.
01:05:15
Speaker
Yeah, nowhere the last like it was it was okay okay again the last what like 60 seconds was like oh wait something's gonna happen like something could happen. Yeah. Super heads up play by Hutch just to both to score the try first off. Great line. And then
01:05:32
Speaker
um like real quick get a defer bank for the drop beat like make sure you know there's no reason it's going to get checked the referee has no reason to blow it up so just here take the ball and kick it and let's go make them make them kick it off again um yeah very really good stuff um
01:05:49
Speaker
And also we're in control of this match for a good chunk of it too. So don't, don't doubt that by any means whatsoever. Mike lottery, like we talked about before, absolutely superb for Ulster just everywhere. And with a scrum cap, without a scrum cap, don't matter. Right. Balacoon was, was pretty good. The whole back, the whole back three were unreal. Yeah. I will say this. They're, they're young number nine that, that Nathan Doke. Doke.
01:06:19
Speaker
The two moves he made down the short side. You can see the difference if you kids if you're watching. Coaches if you're if you're if you're if you're watching and listening.
01:06:33
Speaker
The difference is the one he got tackled, and I think it was a penalty turnover. I can't remember if they scored off the, was it a scrum, or I can't remember exactly what it was, or a mall or something like that, where he broke down. He kept the ball in two hands in the one where they were successful. It was available to pass, because the first one, he had the two on one. All he had to do, all he had to do was have it in two hands and just pop it off, and that's a try.
01:06:59
Speaker
And he just picked it up and he tucked it right away. And the difference between that and having it just available, there's nobody near him. He just tucked it. And if he hadn't tucked it, he could have passed it well before contact. So better the second time, much better result. Teach your children well.
01:07:18
Speaker
Two hands, kids, two hands. Interesting to see the new asset for, or semi-new asset for the Saints. Nansen rolled out there, made Marty Bora a speed bump. Ouch. Poor guy. I was like, ah, that's gonna leave a mark. That's absolutely gonna leave a mark.
01:07:41
Speaker
And the picture was quite good. Actually, it was a little, obviously it was a little questionable, but still like those are the types of tries you enjoy to watch. It's like, that's cool. So I was really like, don't check it, please. It was cool. Don't do it. Right. Right. Just let it go. Let that, let it, that's a try. They should, they should all be trying. Yeah. Just let it happen. I thought Alex Waller had a huge day in the scrum. He put Marty Moore like under so much pressure and as a,
01:08:11
Speaker
as a one on a three, like it is insanely difficult to kick a three's ass. And I was kind of pissed off. There was one point where the referee reset a scrum that Waller had put him on his knees and like was dry. And I was like, how did he stand? The referee standing right there and like, how do you not see that the three and the hooker were on their knees? Because Waller just his impact on more.
01:08:39
Speaker
took both him and Herring down. And it was like, how do you not see that? Whatever. Yep. Yeah, Bruce says not my again,
Claremont's Adaptation and Rugby Finances
01:08:48
Speaker
not one of my favorite French referees. Actually, if I had to pick one, I think goes there was actually the guy. Personally, that's just me. And then the final one of the weekend, and a team that we we know enjoy this competition very much. They're still gunning for their first title and Claremont keep themselves well alive.
01:09:08
Speaker
And yeah, um, stroke of genius or necessity. David Pinot at 13 worked out quite well. Yes, it did. Yeah. I mean, damn, you know, and
01:09:27
Speaker
Well, aging got pulled late, which sucked, you know, for sales point point of view, you know, that's not his first kid. I don't blame him. Yeah. No, he's doing the right thing. Don't be with the missus. That is your job right there. That is your job in life. This is this is just rugby. It's okay. Yeah. No, that's that's that was bash at that point. Like, because we all know what sale are bringing to the table. Luke James, I thought was
01:09:55
Speaker
impressive, but I'm, you know, cause I've, I've shat on him enough. Um, I, if we see this loop, it's kind of like the Jesper visa thing. If we see this Luke James for, you know, any amount of time beyond this one game, I'll be fucking impressed.
01:10:12
Speaker
Can we get this the norm instead of, you know, the once a season type thing? Yeah, his brother still sucks. Yeah. But that whole back, I mean, you look at that back line at that point, you're like, okay, Roebuck, I thought he played pretty well himself too. But like, boys got wheels.
01:10:29
Speaker
Robert Japriya, Beyonce Van Rensburg, like, hammerly. There's nothing there. Nothing there. Nothing there that makes me excited, that's for sure. On the other side, you know, you have the likes of Elvira Turaka, you have Penno, you have Moal, you have Matsushima, and it's like,
01:10:44
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sure. Like I will watch this all day long. How much money does it cost a thousand dollars here? Take it. Right. This is a, right. It's a track meet. These guys, it's, it's going to be fun watching these guys run. And it certainly was. Yeah. Yeah. It was Rocco looks. Yeah. Like his old set, like the cell, like the, the guy we want for this, for the scene to perform. So really, really great stuff. Um,
01:11:08
Speaker
You know, it's interesting because we just aside of this whole thing, we see things coming, you know, to on the balance sheet, the actual balance sheet for the prem teams are starting to have to shift their priorities in terms of who to spend money on and stuff.
01:11:26
Speaker
People think it's just the prem. It's everybody because they were talking about in all the matches that involve French teams, all the players that are on the move that you wouldn't think would be moving. Yeah. I was like, wow, these, you know, Morgan Parr is on his way out. Camille Lopez. No, no, no. National is on his way out. Camille Lopez is on his way out. That's the one. You know, all these, I was like, oh, okay. So France are having just as much problem with this. And they got to, you know, they're going to have to lock down their superstars, but at that cost,
01:11:53
Speaker
They also have to let go some of their, you know, maybe just slightly older talent, not to say that they're bad players anymore, but just, sorry, we know what you're going to cost. We can't afford you, you know, and it's no hard feelings. And that's just how, that's just where we're at right now.
01:12:09
Speaker
Give
Osprey's Challenges and Podcast Conclusion
01:12:10
Speaker
it a couple of years and we'll be back to, certainly, I think the French will be back to their old ways of huge numbers and huge squads of enormous talent. I assume this is all a knock on from COVID. Totally. I don't disagree. We'll see that. But hey, here we are.
01:12:32
Speaker
We have lots and lots of rugby still to be played. There's only one team that's completely dead in the water right now. And that's Osprey's. Everybody else is still alive to a point with some scarlets. Nope. Oh, no, they're not. Oh, nope. That line is then. All right. Nevermind. Nope. Because if they.
01:12:52
Speaker
If they went and lost lose and they would technically be in, uh, or I would rather wear whatever it was. Um, wait, hold on. Osprey's could make it over. Oh, I don't know. No, they can't. Who do they play?
01:13:05
Speaker
Um, Osprey's or well, Osprey's has zero points. So that's their problem. Right. Well, yeah, that's their problem. I'm looking at the five pointers. Yeah. I mean, I guess technically they're not out, but man, that is really possible. Cause with, with point differential and scarlet spray, Bristol and wasps have monster. So.
01:13:29
Speaker
That'll be interesting. Ospreys are playing sale sale at sale. Yeah. At the AG. Not helpful. Sorry. Yeah. No, that was not great. And I'm out. Okay. Cool. All right. So that,
01:13:49
Speaker
does it for this one, um, a little longer than usual, but Hey, we got to talk about, we tried to shove it in as fast as we can phrasing. Um, but here we are. So, uh, if you are sticking around for fancy corner, we will be there in a little bit. Um, if you're only coming back for next week, um, cool. We're hoping to have at least one or two guests coming up here so we can hear voices that aren't been our minds. So if that's your cup of tea,
01:14:17
Speaker
then that's gonna be the episodes to share with your friends and listen to the whole thing for. But other than that, enjoy the final round for Champions Cup if we don't see you on the fancy corner and we'll talk to you guys then. Have a good one. Later.