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Episode 5: Brotherhood
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On this episode, the guys discuss the various types of brotherhood, and its importance and impact on our lives.
Good Morning, Gents! This is a podcast hosted by four Marine Corps veterans with the goal of uplifting men to be the best version of ourselves. In an age of high rates of suicide and depression, especially in the male population, we are taking a stand. This is a place that will cover all of the challenges and realities that we face in the current world, and how we can break down barriers to betterment for ourselves, our families, and the world.
A tragic suicide of our friend sparked an idea and experiment for us as we rekindled our friendship: A group text where we say "Good Morning" to each other every single day, and continue the conversation about what is going on in our lives, be there for one another, and spread positivity and reassurance. Men bear so much weight of responsibility in society that it is hard for men to have an outlet to express themselves. This has attributed to the vast number of suicides in the male population. We aim to cut those numbers down with this podcast. Between the discussions our hosts will talk about, and the guests we bring onto the show, we invite you to join us on this journey towards self-betterment for all.
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Introduction to Brotherhood
00:00:07
Speaker
good morning gents good morning gents we're back with another episode this one's gonna be a fun one great discussion here we're gonna be talking about brotherhood today that's a heavy topic um it's something i think everybody at least uh you know men especially strive for and You know, it's something that we all ah we all need in our lives.
Travel Tales: A Honduran Experience
00:00:40
Speaker
So, first off, we wanna welcome back Mr. Slammin' Lambin, who came back from his- Welcome, welcome, welcome. Ruse, let's hear how it was. It's hot, it's humid. Nah, this is beautiful, man. I love seeing, I love all the places we got to go. I love the beautiful country, got to sample some food. I did that when we were deployed too. I love food. So, got to eat in Mexico.
00:01:06
Speaker
I didn't stay on the Island across of Cozumel, we actually went to Mainland, so that was kind of nice. And then Rolla Town, Honduras, that place was awesome. We hired a local guy outside of the cruise ship. She made us some homemade food. Her dad gave us some homemade food, her sister gave us some homemade food. So took us grocery shopping, like gave us a true local experience instead of being on touristy about it. So even though we were the whitest people there. Awesome, man, awesome.
Dream Jobs: Forestry and Smoke Jumping
00:01:35
Speaker
And since you were missing from the past two episodes, we want to quickly gauge what, if you could do any other job in life, what would your dream job be? So my dream job was to go into a forestry. I really wanted to be a smoke jumper. I see it in a movie when I was a kid and I just, I loved it. I don't know what something about the adrenaline jumping out of a plane, fully kitted up with an ax, a shovel, no water, just walk around and put out fires and big trenches.
00:02:05
Speaker
Isn't that what Goggins does now? Yeah. you're david goggins Pretty timely profession too. I feel like those guys are catching some significant ah credit from the the whole country with what's going on in LA. I give those guys a ton of credit. like I'm a firefighter and I wouldn't want that fucking job. So the difference, what do they have? They have a smoke jumper and then isn't there a different kind of like forest fire? Yeah, there's still like a wildland firefighter, which is shots. Do you have hot shots? Yeah, the hot shots. So you start by different ways or you train in the same way as one just jumps out of planes and one shows up in trucks.
00:02:51
Speaker
So I think they should be very similar. They're very similar as to whether they're fighting forestry blazes. Yeah. The smoke jumpers, they're going to jump into access point to really head off a burning edge versus where hot shots to access via truck or walk in. and and I mean, that's that's really the only difference is is okay remote remote access and expedient access, right? It's It's very military-esque. You're talking about the special forces of firefighting, and you know one one of them's the Navy SEAL who inserts from the ground, maybe through the air, and the other one's USSF, who shows up in Jeeps and puts out some fire. Yeah. Trains the locals how to put out fires. Dude, you rely on a lot of like and other countries and stuff. You're looking at a lot of local populace for tools or even shelter or whatever.
00:03:44
Speaker
Yeah, that's pretty wild. That's pretty cool ah pretty cool job idea, so good one.
Weekly Updates and Work Challenges
00:03:51
Speaker
All right, now. That leads us into the topic. For the fun one. Socks to bed or no socks to bed? so No No socks. Thank God. You're a good man. you have to be There's a reason why you're with us. You're a good man. You're a serial killer like S. I agree. That's some psycho shit.
00:04:12
Speaker
Now, okay. Have you guys ever done the Vicks on the bottom of your feet and put socks on it? to help like Not but I've done i've done similar like ointment shit. to yeah You got to keep socks on for that specific purpose tonight. And it's the most annoying thing ever. Yeah, it sucks. I don't sleep good.
00:04:33
Speaker
next but home where youre put Next thing you guys can tell me, you're putting onions underneath your feet and fucking dropping oils and sticking crystals in your butt. No, that's some Louisiana shit you do. Yeah. Fucking weird. All right. So yeah back on track for today's topic of brotherhood. We always wait a second. Quick catch up. That was your week. take My week, my week was okay. ah Worked 24 last night. We got our fucking dicks kicked in. But, there you go you know, I'm just catching up now with, you know, feeling a little lively. It's it's all right. I feel good. All right, Mack. My week was awesome. It was busy and it was fantastic.
00:05:23
Speaker
And I haven't cleaned my apartment in three days to tell you how busy it is. I clean my apartment like daily. So it was busy, but it was awesome. And it was exactly where I needed to be. good good Well, that's gonna be a new habit on this podcast. I'm gonna ask you guys how your week is. Well, how was your week? You don't get out of this.
The Great Sock Debate
00:05:45
Speaker
but my my My week was pretty good. My week was pretty good. And my annual physical, that went well. The guy just won a gun. Yeah, I won a life. Sounds like a pretty good week to me. Yeah, it's going shooting all day tomorrow. So it's going to be fun. Brandon? My week was busy. Had a few appointments lined up after getting back after being gone for a while. So I had a lot of phone calls and emails to return. Playing catch up is never fun. Nah.
00:06:18
Speaker
Never, never. Is your bag unpacked? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. OK. I started laundry when I got back home. Oh, 10 o'clock at night. That's always the worst part for me is unpacking. I fucking I just throw my bag down and like just let it sit for a couple of days, at least. Oh, my wife, my wife won't allow that. Yeah. When I go visit my parents, I'll take my laundry upstairs and my mom will still do my laundry. But at least I know it's all clean when I come home. So that just away I don't have to worry about doing laundry.
00:06:49
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One of the benefits of going home. We used to do that. We're going out of my brother's house, but we'll watch all our clothes the day before or something like that. So it is nice. Come home, just throw it all back where it belongs. And yeah, one last thing. All right. Let's jump into brotherhood.
Defining Brotherhood
00:07:06
Speaker
So brotherhood, Mac. What is the definition of brotherhood? All right, you want me to go brotherhood.
00:07:16
Speaker
You want me to start broad or you want me to go tight into brotherhood? Just give us the definition that you got of brotherhood. I didn't Google it to this time because I'm just going to go off experience. I'm going to go off experience. You're wrong. I got the Google dictionary. I do. You want me to read Google right now? Google it off my phone. Google that. I'm going to Google it real quick. And you guys are listening. Slamming got it.
00:07:43
Speaker
Go ahead, Slammon, you read it. Go, Slammon. So I got it right here. definition number one, dictionary. This is the Oxford languages. The relationship between others. Or number two is an association society or community of people linked by a common interest, religion, or trade. Interesting. vague It's weird. that looks weird It's weird it it's got very vague.
00:08:07
Speaker
It's very vague and it's very superficial, man. and when i yeah that's not what That's not where I'm at. I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed. Oxford really left us out, man. Disappointed. All right, Mack, lead us in on your personal perception of brotherhood. My personal perception of brotherhood is what everybody is listening to right now between us four. But to start broadly, I think you have your community and community can break down the what you do, Caleb, you're working in the train industry. If that's the proper term for our, you know, we got firefighters. Brandon used to be in the firefighting community as well. I used to be a police officer in the cop community. I was raised by the cop community. But then you you got a tighter group of people. You break that down even more than we start with sports. You go to football, you got a football team, that's the community.
00:09:05
Speaker
But then you get into the brotherhood of it. Who do you get in the patrol car with every day? Who's that guy when that call comes out? Who's that guy that you're like, man, I want i want him with me? Or when something when that guy gets on the radio and he's you hear that changed tone and voice, you guys are close enough that you recognize it and you're giving everything to get that firefighter same way. and when you're going in to fight that house fire and it is all hell breaking loose. Who's in your head that you want with you? Who's that guy that you know is going to give up everything to make sure you come home? Who are those people that will give everything
00:09:49
Speaker
and throw complete and utter respect, not respect, that's a bad term, um caution to the wind of themselves for you. Who can you depend on in your worst times or most dangerous times or your best of times? Who can you share your wins with and we'll celebrate them with you? You could You go to your community and tell them your wins. You're gonna get people throwing it back at you. People are gonna be jealous. But if you go to your brotherhood and share your wins, those are the guys that are gonna celebrate with you. Those are the guys that are gonna take you to the bar and buy beers. If you share your, you don't share, most men, I'm one of them, don't share my losses with my community. They don't need to know my losses. They don't need to know shit about me. They need to know I'm there doing my job or I'm there.
00:10:42
Speaker
But they don't need to know what's behind the curtain. That's for select people. So who do you let see behind your curtain? That to me is your brotherhood. And it and brotherhood can be what we have here, four guys, four different parts of the country. By grace of God, ended up in the same unit together and did some really cool things together.
00:11:08
Speaker
or You can have your actual brothers. I've got two brothers. I love those guys to death. I will do anything for them at the job I've had if they needed me. ah And i I know they are the same way towards me. So in a lot of sense, it's the same brotherhood, but it's a different bill brotherhood too. we' brotherhoods We're brothers by blood. We were raised together. We have a lot of the same background, all.
00:11:36
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a lot of say ah demeanors, things like that, a lot of same character traits. We're four guys that were pretty different, but we're the same too. And we we were brought together by call it the grace of God, call it whatever you wanna call it. But we were brought together for a reason 10 years ago, which is turning into this now.
Brotherhood in Military Life
00:12:00
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Very good, very good. I mean, I couldn't say much of that any better myself. fact you know i've always I've always done this in my own mind and I'm pretty sure I speak for everybody on this right now and a lot of people who've ever called anybody brother, that means I don't feel that term around those sort of people either. Like when I say that to someone, that means I will literally give up anything at any time if you call me And I've always thought that, and I never know if people mean the same thing back because maybe I don't call on it enough in my home, or however I would say that. like I don't call on people enough myself to see if it would be the same rest of the process. So that's kind of my take on it. I give up everything when I call you. Okay, Tyler, you guys got any input on the general description of what you think of it?
00:12:58
Speaker
Brother, to me, is is finding a commonality out that goes deeper than, like you said, community. I do think community is important, and I think there's an expansive community, right? if you guys know I'm i'm pretty faith-based. So like community amongst the church is very important to me. But I think like like you said, even within those communities, you you find individuals that you you connect with on ah on a little bit different level, you know, whether or not it's it's as deep as what, you know, we're talking about here of between us four or, you know, like I said, I won that rifle tonight online from an online group, but there's a couple of guys in there like,
00:13:40
Speaker
that I chat with on ah on a pretty regular basis. And one of them, his name's Hunter and he seems, you know, like it's it's one of those things that like brotherhood can come from the the weirdest places or, you know, random, you know, you you buy some ammo off a guy and then you guys are the techs in every couple of days. And then, you know, hey, look let's go ice fishing. It turns into, ah it's just weird, right? Like it's, there's not a,
00:14:07
Speaker
I don't think there's a mathematical formula or a science behind it. I think it's a lot to do with personality driven. I think it has a lot to do with what people need in their lives at certain times. I definitely think some brotherhoods are those that aren't lasting. I think they come into your life and you know they can be deep meaningful connections with individuals but that doesn't always last. I do think some are, some are eternal. I'd like to think this, this brotherhood is eternal. Um, so for me, brotherhood is, is, is that connection you have with an individual, um, that goes beyond the constraints of your community, right? Like it's, it's, you it's your subsex, it's your, it's your clicks within the group. It's, it's the individuals that are, are that are there on a daily,
00:14:58
Speaker
that, like you said, you share the win, you share the loss. you know I need help moving a couch up the stairs. You don't call the whole team. yeah call you called it you know You call the center. You call he called Bob. You call Jim, whoever it may be. like There's individuals that everyone of us can pull out our phone with and and put a star next to their name. Like, hey, this this is a person I call a brother. This is a person I call a sister, whoever it may be.
00:15:25
Speaker
I think that's that's really like how I view brotherhood is is is those individuals, they're not there for the because they have to be. They're there because they the oldest of all my siblings, right? Like the siblings are there um and those those are yeah my ride or dies. But I mean, I view you guys on the same plane as those. It's kind of my long winded stance. Tyler, you're up bud. I think brotherhood has three qualities to it that defines what it is. I would say the first one is experience.
00:16:04
Speaker
you have to have a common experience between you and whoever the other person or group of people is, whether that's shoveling shit on the side of the road, whether that's um serving in a combat zone or working at a fire department or and anything. You have to have some sort of commonality of experience with that person or group. Number two, I think an important thing about brotherhood is struggle. There needs to be some sort of adversity or struggle that is going on that brings a group closer together because if there was no struggle or adversity, you wouldn't need to cling to each other for support. So it wouldn't exist in the first place.
00:16:59
Speaker
Number three, which is the biggest one of all, which is why I think a lot of places don't really hold up to the militaries, specifically the Marine Corps for me, ah hold up in the weight of what brotherhood is to me is trust.
00:17:19
Speaker
Trust is the number one thing that I think unifies and defines brotherhood. I think about some of the people I served with and having their their trust and they knew every little thing about me and who I am as a person. I knew everything about them and who they are as a person. And despite our differences, the things that annoyed them about me, the things that annoyed me about them,
00:17:47
Speaker
It didn't matter. We trust each other up to our lives to the point where I would, I know that that person has my back up to needing to save my life. That trust goes beyond anything. And like I struggled a long time when I got out of the military because I didn't have that brotherhood anymore. And that trust is what I was looking for. Like I, man, I slept with my AK 47 in my bed for I think like two years after I got out of active duty.
00:18:21
Speaker
because I was missing that brotherhood and that trust. I like, you know, I'm living in my mom's house after I got out of active duty. It's like I'm around somebody I love who, you know, loves me and trust me, but I didn't feel safe in the sense that I wasn't around people who I knew had my back through anything like life situations that are like death defying, you know, that breaks all,
00:18:50
Speaker
like anything else. it it It goes beyond all of that. And i that's what truly defines brotherhood for me. I think there's a lot of veterans out there that would agree with that. I think i think that's a huge reason why so many of us are drawn to the the life of being a first responder. We were A lot of veterans are extremely intelligent, have a lot of drive and could do so many things with their life. But that missing of a brotherhood that it drives you to what you've seen in the movies or if you like, I was raised by
00:19:29
Speaker
a trooper and what I saw in the brotherhood that my father shared with his fellow troopers, those are men I consider my uncles. I mean, that's that's what they are to me. That's their family to me, more than most of my extended family. And so I see there ah feel like there's a lot of us to get out of the armed services. And we're seeking that brotherhood. We're willing to take the shitty pay and work the midnight shifts. And and yeah, the actions there, I mean, the adrenaline rush is there. The notoriety that goes with doing that job is there. But what we're really seeking is that safety in our brotherhood, that one thing we don't want to give up. We can give up sleeping in the rain. We can give up
00:20:16
Speaker
24-hour duty shifts. We can give up all the other bullshit that goes along with it. Just fine. I mean, you talk to a lot of veterans. They can walk away from all that. But what does every veteran always talk about?
Transition Challenges from Military Service
00:20:30
Speaker
The people they serve with.
00:20:32
Speaker
the people they serve with it for a lot of veterans. And this goes not, it goes to if you play college sports, it goes to if you grew up in a small town, I mean, you grew up in a small town, you moved to a big city. I mean, it goes for all walks of life and life changes. And when you give up that safety and security, if you can't find a way out of that. If you can't find a brotherhood to connect in, can't find that, you're always going to seek it and you're never going to feel safe. And that I've, in my opinion, brotherhood saves our lives. It keeps a lot of veterans and a lot of other men out there. It keeps us alive. Um, because if you're alone, we'll walk and you can only walk alone for so long and before you start to starve and it's it's hard to come back from that.
00:21:29
Speaker
I think that's, you guys touched on like a a very important aspect of brotherhood within the service and, and the transition out. So like we could segue into that whole transition topic real, real, real fast and real quick. I, I just want to want to keep us down the path of brotherhood with saying like one more thing is like the, the removal from the brotherhood.
00:21:55
Speaker
or the perception of being removed from the brotherhood when you leave active service or you know you graduate from college and you're no longer playing D1 football and you didn't get drafted, whatever brotherhood you leave, that perception of the brotherhood ending.
00:22:12
Speaker
is always a trigger for individuals to spiral into drugs, to spiral into infidelity, to spiral into a search for identity because you tie yourself to this is who I am through that brotherhood, right? So like I do think that All those listening who who enjoy the brotherhood that they're walking in now, I think start preparing yourself for like that maybe transition. I mean, I think we have quite a few veterans and maybe some active duty listeners just based off of some friends we have, but just prepare yourself for that transition and know that like you will feel lost if if if the wool's ever pulled out from over your eyes or the rug out from underneath your feet.
00:23:00
Speaker
Brotherhood is important to to men going back through history, if you look through history, right, like men went out on hunting parties, men went out to provide for their families in groups that i wasn't necessarily a solo, like there might have been a rite of passage as to become a man that is solo through ancient cultures, but men went out together. Why? Because it's safer, because together they are stronger. That is a natural feeling to feel that, that is that is that is nature
00:23:37
Speaker
happening when you feel stronger with a group of men that you trust, like you said, Tyler. Like, I mean, I just, it's alarming how long it takes you to realize when you miss something and why you're going down maybe like the destructive or toxic road or, you know, what's causing your your anxiety or whatever it is. And it's it it honestly comes, most most people's issues come down to trust and safety.
00:24:04
Speaker
Um, Brandon, I know you've had a recent experience with, uh, you know, a brotherhood that you've had to kind of move past for some, some lifestyle changes. Do you kind of want to like dabble with that or maybe just topically touch it or it's up to you, man.
Personal Stories of Brotherhood
00:24:22
Speaker
I don't, I don't want you to expose something you're not ready to go on. I kind of, I kind of like, um.
00:24:29
Speaker
trying to think of the word here. ah I'll use kind of like the Marine Corps as an example, but it's, yeah, it's, it's the same thing, you know, like you get the Marine Corps as a whole, man. Like you can't call everybody there, your brother, but every Marines like, Oh, you're a Marine, your brother of mine. You know, you may not even know the guy. You may not even like the guy, you know, but then you come down and do like your unit. And then it even goes further than that, like down into your section or your platoon, your company, or even your fire team. If you're an infantry guy, you know, like we wouldn't have been as close as we are now. We didn't have the S4.
00:25:00
Speaker
You know, and I mean, Mac, you were kind of brought in with, with, with Caleb here because I didn't know you until we got, I started actually kind of melding with Caleb because at first, I mean, I felt that we kind of had different.
00:25:14
Speaker
uh, altering, uh, personalities at first, like in a few stages in our friendship and our, and our cultivation of this brotherhood, which is amazing, you know, because that's what I love about you, dude. You know, like you're, you're strong headed, you're strong willed. And it's like, no, we're going to do this. We're going to do it now. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I saw all use an example, never thinking of what we're all talking. Um, it got out of the Marine Corps, went straight into the police department.
00:25:44
Speaker
And immediately did not recognize the type of brotherhood that I was raised around. All right, so I'll give it a try. And a lot of good guys that I worked with, a lot of great dudes I served with when I worked midnights. That whole team was just, it was funny, right? It it was a great team, a lot of good dude. We had college athletes, we had prior military, you name it, we had it.
00:26:09
Speaker
But it wasn't until I got to evenings that I started working and you still like you're new, you're learning the jobs. There's a lot of stress going on. But I got to evenings and there's one guy out of all the guys I've started with that, he if he's listening this, I'll know what I'm talking about, that as soon as we started working together, something about both of us just clicked together. I mean, he is he was prior army. I mean, people would walk in the locker room and be like, you two, do you hate each other? Just the shit we would say to each other. But it was all out of love. And dude, there were calls we would go on that, like, I would hear that tone drop and I'm like,
00:26:53
Speaker
who's my other car, who's my other car, and they would say his radio number. And like instantly, that trust and that, okay, no, I'm not so, no, I ain't gotta worry about who's coming with me. I gotta make sure that I'm ready to go for him. I gotta to make sure that I'm prime for him. And I got that experience for two more years after the Marine Corps, because I was on that team and we worked together for two years. And then I got the job I have now and I left that again.
00:27:23
Speaker
And again, I went into that feeling of almost just being lost at work because I was seeking that. and I can look at it now. I wasn't sure what it was then, but I did not like my current job. Probably the first two years I was there, hated it. And it's a much better job. It is so much better for my family. And I fucking hated it. Could not stand it. I pretty much every day dreaded going to work.
00:27:53
Speaker
and thought I made the wrong decision. I doubled my paycheck and here I was questioning, did I make the right decision? Was it wrong of me to leave working 40 plus hours a week plus overtime plus off duty to go to a new job where I didn't have to work nearly as much, I had weekends off and I'm doubling my paycheck? That shouldn't have been a question but I was missing that brotherhood that I was getting in that patrol car every day from riding with my partner or working in the same areas. And I've since, I've got a couple guys at work that are there. They're not on the level that we are, but we have our own levels, right? we have our That's a different relationship. And that's a different brotherhood. But now I like going to work. I enjoy the job. I don't think it was the wrong decision anymore. And that love having that level of brotherhood just for me,
00:28:51
Speaker
It makes a difference on my day-to-day basis of what I'm doing. You touched on some things that brought up some ideas in my head of my experience. There's a couple people who are prior military in my fire department. And specifically, there were two guys on my group who are Marine Corps veterans. One of them, unfortunately, just transferred out um because he moved out of state.
00:29:19
Speaker
But these are two guys who I was so thankful to have around and I'm still thankful have to have one around because it's just, to it's weird. It's like among all of these people without having even known him, like I just instantly trusted him more because I might not know anything about him, but I know that we have shared an experience that no one else will truly understand. And he felt the same way about me. We instantly clicked and we hit it off from there. And it's like, I'm so grateful to have that guy in my group. And, you know, people like to make jokes. They were butt buddies and, you know, Breen's freaking, you know, act all weird and ah was quote unquote gay to each other. It's like.
00:30:15
Speaker
It's because that kind of bond and brotherhood is just unrivaled and I wouldn't trade it in for the world. Like I love that guy. I would fucking go to battle for him any day. And I know that he has my back too. And it's like, yeah, I should feel like that with everybody it might at my fire department. But I think that's what like is tricky for me with,
00:30:40
Speaker
I think just the fire job is like that. I'm just trying to like make my way through and understand. And I think it's different in every department you probably go to every city you go to. Um, you know, I'm sure there's some crews that are like so the most tight knit thing and I would never, you know, knock on them or say they're not a brotherhood. There's some people who just come to work and they just act like it's a job. And you know, like you can't force people to have a certain mindset.
00:31:08
Speaker
if If they take a job and you know they're not signing their life away for X amount of years as you know government property, it's like there're that that's within their right to just take a job and do what they need to do. It's it's tough and in ah jobs like that, occupations where your life could be on the line and other people's lives could be on the line every single day that you go to work.
00:31:32
Speaker
and every every day is an unknown. And it's like, you have to depend on those people and there has to be a certain level of trust. So just seeking that trust in others is like my challenge is, you know, everybody likes to...
00:31:47
Speaker
you know, double dabble in the gossip and stuff like that. Cause it's, you know, every, I think every firehouse has that kind of stuff, but I look for the good in people and so I just, I seek their, their trust and I want to prove to them that I have their back and that's what it comes down to. But I just still, there's a part of me that I will never feel as strongly for like brotherhood as I would have in the Marine Corps, it's just unrivaled. I can't describe it, Brandon, like, i I think back when we were on the Mu and I was in some dark spots in my life, like where, you know, I'm dealing with breakups and all this kind of other stuff. And you were like one person who just absolutely had my back and
00:32:43
Speaker
Like, you know, we would go long ass time after we got out of the military and not talking to each other, big stretches of time without saying a word to each other. And it's like, I would trust you any fucking second of the day over somebody who's been in my life, you know, forever. Like you, I know hands down that you have my back to the end. Like you will go to battle for me.
00:33:10
Speaker
You just, you can't find that trust everywhere you go. it it It happens in such small places. And the Marine Corps is a super small place. Like we probably all have like mutual friends in the Marine Corps that we don't even know about because it's that small. Like people from all different units that somehow have a connection to each other. It's just that tight knit community that.
Reconnecting with Past Brotherhoods
00:33:32
Speaker
you know, it's a risky ass job. You could die at any time in certain situations. And we we joined for that reason that it's it's this freaking gung-ho, I'm gonna put my life on the line for my country and those around me and let's go to work together. So that's that's how I felt with you guys. Absolutely.
00:33:55
Speaker
and I share the same sentiment, but maybe I'm just lucky. ma maybe maybe Maybe it's the nature of how I grew up. I moved around every every two to three years with my mom being in the Marine Corps and you divorced parents. you know so or different you know I went to a different high school every year. I didn't go to the same high school every year. So I tend to fall into friend groups and pretty easily. What I'd say all of them are brotherhoods, no, but you know I wouldn't measure my co-workers the same level of this brotherhood, but I would still classify them as a brotherhood.
00:34:41
Speaker
i've got You know, I've got a group of guys I work with that my grandpa passed away and they sent flowers, right? It wasn't like, I work for, I work for a giant company and I work for a big, a decent sized apartment where, you know, there's 50, 60 people that I work with on ah on a daily basis, but three of them sent flowers. Three of them texts can, you know, Hey man, how are you doing?
00:35:08
Speaker
If I'm sick, hey, hope the kids are getting better. or So, like, I think you find brotherhoods in unlikable places sometimes, and I, yeah like I said, I don't, like, I wouldn't measure it and compare it to this, but I don't want to downplay those smaller brotherhoods that we find in life along the way. I think they're important, and I think they're valuable to to each person's mental health. I don't think you can find, I don't think you can pace that support system off of one singular point is kind of what i'm getting at i think
00:35:40
Speaker
i think to order be in order to be state way you kind of have a spider web you your support system right you know pillar versus pedestal versus a chair with four legs etc
00:35:55
Speaker
is that you ground yourself the better. I think you're you're you're you're right there, Caleb. it's It's a network, man. And that's one thing I learned from you it's not who you. It's not what you know, it's who you know. Like, that's how you get stuff done. That's one thing I learned from that man right there. yeah And it's dude, that's helped me out through my life so much since we left. And I don't remember how littlely said how we all left each other as we were getting out of the mu. I think it was like,
00:36:24
Speaker
Tyler left first, and I think Mac was shortly after that. And then I went back to my parent unit and then, or I was the last one after me. But it was just like, man, we're just watching it just fall apart. But you don't have to let that happen. But like kind of let us be an example here. like Keep it if you want it. You all that you can you could still have that network of of those tight guys you were with and don't, kind of like what we said in one of our first episodes, I think it was, is if you're thinking about that person that you had that that connection with, reach out to them. You never know what's gonna happen. I'm so glad you brought that up because that's why I think I was so pumped for this episode. It's like this episode is basically defining why we're doing this entire thing.
Enduring Friendships Outside Work
00:37:10
Speaker
You know, we as a group have not collectively spoken to each other basically in 10 years since we got out. And here we are together talking every single day now, always saying good morning to each other, keeping up in contact, trying to keep high spirits with each other, giving constant positivity, reassuring each other.
00:37:32
Speaker
It's like anybody in any walk of life is able to do this, just with anybody that they felt strongly about at some point in their lives, just pick up the phone, give them a call, like start re reestablish the connection. You don't have to live in the same state. Luckily, we're we're blessed with like having this crazy technology where you can just talk to anybody around the world. like Pick up the phone, grab the laptop, do something, contact the person, reestablish the connection, get that brotherhood back.
00:38:03
Speaker
And it goes so much better than whatever you're nervous for. It ain't gonna be whatever fear you have of that. Since we started this, I went back to my home state and I reached out to, ah well, me and him grew up together and then I became friends with his wife in ah college. They were not together when we all, when I met her.
00:38:27
Speaker
to another friend, but um she was one of the guys. She was one of the crew, and me and her were best friends. And then she ends up marrying one of my best friends growing up. And when I went back, to they've got a couple kids now. And when I went back and to visit my older brother, I hit him up. I was like, hey, what are you guys doing? I'm in town. I'd love to come see you guys. I haven't seen them in at least five years.
00:38:52
Speaker
ah And I hit them up and they were like, we got time tomorrow. Come on over. Love to see you. Just like that. Went over there. It was over there for three hours. Could've stayed another six hours. ah It was like, that's a brotherhood. I mean, your brotherhood doesn't have to just be man on man. Like she is, she's a brother to me because I went over there and we picked up right where we left off. Great. Like it was awesome. And it it immediately, like I walked in the house. I wasn't a stranger.
00:39:23
Speaker
They were family, they were brothers, they were best friends. And I mean, we just, it was awesome. I was so happy leaving there. And then, I mean, and that, those aren't work, those aren't work, bro those are people that I grew up with, that I grew up with once in middle school, maybe before, I can't really remember. I'm sure if he listens to this, he'll correct me. And I met her in college.
00:39:47
Speaker
ah yeah A lot of growing up was done. Um, she's got some funny stories. So does he about me growing up in college? And then at the the same month, I met up with a guy I met in college when we met our freshman year, we lived in the same dorm. I'm five foot six, 155 pounds, 160 pounds. He's six foot three, almost 300 pounds. We were an interesting duo, but here we are. I was 18. So.
00:40:19
Speaker
18 years later and we're going to Chiefs games together and we're, and I know about his family. He knows about my family and it is like we never, we hadn't seen each other before November and five, six, maybe seven years. We couldn't really remember. And man, he jumped out of the truck.
00:40:41
Speaker
And I gave him the biggest hug, and it was awesome. ah it was It was awesome, and we were right back at it. was and That's brotherhood. That's not brotherhood born out of work. That's not brotherhood. Those are friendship brotherhoods. Those are friendships that have stood the test of time. I've gone my ways. They've all gone their ways. We've gone years without talking to each other.
00:41:04
Speaker
and I just reached out or they reached out to me and here we are. My buddy that I went to the game with, I'm meeting him again in March and we're gonna go get lost in the woods for a couple of days. like That fear you have of being like, I don't know, if I reach out, it's been six or seven years. Man, that connection's still there. They're probably thinking the same thing. One of you's just gotta do it. Just jump in and do it because it's awesome and it's great and it's such a great feeling when you're talking to him again because you're like,
00:41:35
Speaker
I remember these times. They're still here. These people are also, yeah, we're different. We're all different. like Life has changed all of us dramatically. But that relationship is still the same. And it's awesome. And before we go any further, at some point, I do want to jump into actual our brother brotherhood, because blood at times and what we have are the exact same.
Sibling Dynamics and Reconciliation
00:42:03
Speaker
But you grow up with your brothers too, right? Like they're not just somebody you come into life with. So when we want to make that transition, that is something I want to hit on before we get to the end of the episode today. I mean, I'll start there. I'll start there. Let's do this. Yeah, go for it. Tyler, I know you're you the younger brother. Brando, you're the older brother, correct? Yep. Okay. And then you're the oldest too, right, Mac? Oh, I'm the middle.
00:42:31
Speaker
I am the middle. We are all five years apart. We are my poor mother. OK. All right. So Brando might feel this a little bit. And Mac, being middle, I can't really speak to perspective. But you kind of have some of the the mentorship role of ah being a mentor to the little brother.
00:42:58
Speaker
So you're right, you all grow up together. And as I explained earlier, I don't have any full-fledged siblings, but they are all my ride or dies 100%. With that said, they pissed me off, right?
00:43:12
Speaker
They pissed me off. They make stupid decisions. They they make selfish decisions. They make decisions that are toxic to their life, and they don't listen to advice. right like But at the end of the day, that blood-based brotherhood, some people say it can sour. and And I'll give you an example, because one of mine had a sourd.
00:43:34
Speaker
But at the end of the day, most of my siblings have done nothing to sour that and will always always be my ride or die. And that so I'm gonna i'm gonna lead in on that most, right? I've got a brother who has soured that. Growing up, we used to do a lot of things together. He's made some toxic decisions in his life. I've extended a helping hand numerous times and he keeps going down a path.
00:44:00
Speaker
So I think and think what I'm trying to get at here is and even even that blood-based brotherhood is not something that is always eternal. Sometimes for the betterment of yourself or for self-preservation, you have to cut off individuals.
00:44:20
Speaker
So i I do want to keep that in focus that because you call somebody a brother, whether it's biologically or you know, in the sense that we we call each other's brother today, there are times where that has to end. So that's and's ah it's a it's a ah more blunt lean in on on sibling based brotherhood than probably a lot of people were expecting, but I mean, it's's it's it's my truth, right? I've got a ton of brothers that I love and a couple of sisters that I love, but I've got one brother, I still love him, but like I refuse to communicate with him.
00:45:00
Speaker
I feel very similar to that. Um, two years ago now, uh, it was, it was almost a year without me talking to my brother. And I had it in my mind that like, I was going to sit around and wait for an apology from him. And, you know, my parents would harp on, you know, me to reestablish the connection. And I was very firm in my belief of like now, like I'm,
00:45:27
Speaker
You know, I want him to truly apologize and understand why I'm angry about the the situation and why I was angry. And he did eventually apologize, but he still had his belief of like why he acted the way he did. And, you know, I'm not really going to get into the situation of what it was because it doesn't really matter. But my brother and I are two very different people. We look very similar.
00:45:55
Speaker
He's two years older than me, but we are very, very different people. ah i He has different ideas about the things I do and what he thinks I should do with my life. I have ideas for him and his life. And we clash at a lot of different things. And it's not to say I don't love my brother. you know I love him to death.
00:46:18
Speaker
but I don't think of the word brotherhood the same as I think about it like with like with you guys and the military, my fellow Marines. like i It's just a completely different thing for me. like were We are blood and I love him and I trust that he has my wellbeing at heart, but he doesn't he he still comes at so much from like this antagonistic perspective.
00:46:48
Speaker
Whereas you guys would come at it more from like a support level. Like you might disagree with me but you're still gonna be like supportive of me. Like he has a very different perspective on that. Like he's just so stuck in his belief of how things should be that he will clash at any point where if it doesn't go the way he believes it should. Instead of just being like, okay, like I understand and I support you even though I might not like, you know, agree with you.
00:47:18
Speaker
So we've had we've had a tough dynamic um growing up and like, you know, I'm the younger brother and just especially being younger, like getting, you know, teased and bullied and he broke my leg when I was a kid, like all that kind of dumb shit. He he was this adventurer and this wild child and I was always trying to keep up.
00:47:41
Speaker
And you know as we got older, he's he was the ah popular sports star. And I was the the kid trying to look up to him and be popular too and try to fall into his friend group and all that kind of stuff. So it's like I've always lived under his in his shadow.
00:48:02
Speaker
And I think as, you know, I went away to the military that broke me free of that. And then I sort of became my own person who I truly wanted to be, not just with the military, but like, you know, going into filmmaking and living out my dreams and doing the things I wanted and sticking up for myself more. um And I think once I started to do that kind of stuff and like,
00:48:28
Speaker
i I used to feel very differently ah with my perspective from like the dynamic with my brother and then my family. And we've shifted between who is the black sheep of the family between me and him. I feel like there's always been like one of us is the outcast. um Unfortunately, like there's never just like full acceptance of what we're doing or who we are. But I,
00:48:54
Speaker
It is what it is. I've just come to accept it. I still love my brother, but just until the end of time, until until we die, we're gonna clash on a lot of shit. That's that's gonna happen, man. You know, I got my little brother, he's two years younger than me, so I mean, it's almost a reverse, like looking into a mirror here, you know, and and hearing and you actually talk about your older brother in a certain way. Yeah, I support my little brother and and everything he does, you know.
00:49:23
Speaker
him and I, I come from a really small town in in Michigan, you know, we grew up outside of town on 40 acres of of hardwoods by ourselves. So we were cutting firewood, we were catching frogs, we were playing together out in the woods. So it's just him and I, like he was my friend, you know, still is my friend. I shouldn't say was, he's still alive. It's not like he's dead or anything, you know.
00:49:46
Speaker
oh But, you know, but my brother's always been a risk taker you know he sees business mindset and I'm, I've never been that kind of guy you know I've always been like what's the logical path what's the what's the path of least resistance on this one even though I like doing, you know, more adrenaline type things but I mean, just big decisions in life. My brother's always been that risk taker, and and I commend him a lot for that. And I've um maybe chastised him a few times, maybe in a more antagonistic way, as as Tyler put it so eloquently.
00:50:18
Speaker
um But at the end of the day, you know, and it may come off at him sometimes and in that tone of like, you're not doing it right, dude, put your head out of your butt and let's let's look at this through a better lens. But I also got to remember that he's his own man, just like I am.
00:50:34
Speaker
You know, we don't, we don't talk often, but when we do see each other, it's, it's kind of like picking up with you guys. It's right where we left off. We just talk about life. We get, go have fun, go eat food, get into a couple arguments, you know, hug each other, kiss, makeup, move on, you know. And I don't know if, if, if, if you guys have lost like an immediate family member, like mother, father, brother, sibling, like really close someone we grew up with the entire,
00:51:05
Speaker
entire life or something like that. But after losing my mom very recently, I learned not to hold grudges or, or yeah, you can kind of cut that person, you know, but don't do it for too long. Don't, don't hold that resentment because once they're gone and you can't say anything to them anymore, it's, it's over. But that's my take on having a little brother, you know,
00:51:33
Speaker
Well, I'm the lucky one. I got an older brother and a little brother, and they are, and I've ah learned this so much in the last two years, and I took them for granted, but they are the best brothers for me that I could possibly have. ah Everybody's brother may be the best for them, or sister may be the best for them, but my two brothers are the very best for me.
00:52:01
Speaker
ah And a lot of the things I've gone through and dealt with over the last two or three years has really shown me how much they love and care for me and how much I i did to hurt those relationships. there There was a good decade there where, and I won't get into the details, um
Caleb's Reflections on Brotherhood
00:52:22
Speaker
but I was not the brother I should have been. It wasn't me, we weren't fighting or anything like that. I just was absent from their lives. I should have been.
00:52:31
Speaker
um I wasn't before when I was younger, ah but went into the Marine Corps, moved away, came back and just wasn't in their lives. I mean, I lived within an hour, hour and a half of my little brother. We'd talk on the phone and then he moved and he went North. And so then I never saw him. And then my older brother, man, we were 20 minutes away and I saw my older brother a couple of times a year, maybe.
00:52:59
Speaker
and And I regret that. i do I do regret that. I wish I would have taken more advantage of living in the same city as my older brother and seeing him a lot more because I love him. I love his family very, very, and I'd do anything for any element of a drop of a hat. And my little brother, he kind of, I kind of hold that regret that I could have been a,
00:53:22
Speaker
that are big brother for him, especially in college, when he was becoming a man or being a young man. like i had kids at that time and I had been in the Marine Corps and I should have, I could have but done better at being an older brother but I didn't. I black sheeped myself for the most part and they won't agree with any of this. They might agree with some of it but they're older brothers and they're going to tell you to tell me to shut the hell up or my little brother shut the hell up. You didn't do any of that. It's not your fault but And I told them once before this, but I figured I lived with, I did it to myself and I did it to our own relationship that we had great. But in the last two to three years, the things I've gone through with divorce and things like that, they have proven to me what being brothers is. And we did not grow up in an emotionally tight-knit family.
00:54:18
Speaker
ah Sharing your emotions usually came out in an angry form. um We're just all a personality. And three boys, our dad was a trooper, our mom was a military brat, like emotions were not something we, any of us were highly intelligent on. And I'm i'm not trying to speak bad about my family. we ah There was a lot of love in my house and we were safe. Absolutely. Everybody was safe. So I'm not going to, I'm not trying to spread any like weird thoughts that we were just this hateful group. We had a lot of laughs, man. Lots of laughs. I had a great childhood. But going through all this stuff, I know,
00:55:04
Speaker
the The examples I'll give and I'm not gonna go on about my my two brothers all day and how awesome they they really are but The the and this is And now now i I do my best to be the best brother I can be and my little brother moved back To our home state and now him and my older brother live within it an hour of each other and I'm fucking gone again um So it's just the way life goes. But ah west when my little brother, I didn't tell my little brother I was getting a divorce. I didn't tell him we had separated. I didn't tell him any of that. It took me a few months to tell my parents and my dad, of course, tells my little brother. Out of the blue, my little brother is quiet. He is stoic and his happy face is the same as his angry face.
00:55:55
Speaker
And emotion is not something we've ever shared together. And he called me, and I'll remember this phone call for the day I die. He called me, and where there was some small talk, and finally he just goes, I'm cutting the shit, Caleb, how are you? And i I had to be open with him. I said, you obviously know. And I had to tell him. And he was talking, and he goes, hey man, he goes, I want you to know,
00:56:22
Speaker
And the year from now, life's going to look different. Life's going to look different. It sucks now and I know it sucks now, but life is going to look different. And just that support, I mean, it the support I got from him and I wasn't expecting it. I wasn't reaching out for it. I hadn't even told him. And he found out and he made, that he made the little brother move and he called his big brother and that told me everything I needed to know.
00:56:49
Speaker
And no matter what was he, my little brother was going to, if he needed to drive 18 hours to hang out with me, he would have no questions asked. Um, and then last year I go up to my older brother's house. I was going back to our hometown, not our home state.
00:57:08
Speaker
And I was going to a wedding and I was dating a gal at that time and I took her with me. And so we go and we stay at my older brother's house. We hadn't really talked a whole lot about the divorce. I could have been some chitchat. We talked a little bit. I told him some. And we have a great weekend. It was a great weekend. Had a great time um staying up till midnight, one o'clock, talking to my older brother and his wife, my sister-in-law.
00:57:35
Speaker
And I get back, we get back Sunday night and we we we had other plans Sunday night and we're out to dinner with some friends and I get a text from my older brother and it said, hey man, I just want you to know i we really appreciate you and the guy I was dating coming up this weekend. It's awesome to see the smile on your face and how happy you are again.
00:58:03
Speaker
which means over the last however long, even though we weren't seeing each other or talking a lot, my older brother was watching the whole time. He was looking over me. He was seeing things that I wasn't seeing and he was he was looking out for me. And he had finally, it made him happy to find to see me out of a dark place and happy again. And that to me will tell me everything I needed to know about my older brother.
00:58:33
Speaker
And those two stories right there from my brothers define who my brothers are to me. And they are the world to me. And like I said, we're not a Hallmark family. We don't even live in the same fucking state anymore. We don't see each other all the time. But man, there is a bond there that if they called right now, I would hang up on this show and I'm out.
00:58:58
Speaker
And if I left my phone, fuck it. I'll text you guys whenever I get a new phone. um Because man if I had to hide a body, me I know my little brother would be right there going, how are we doing
Conclusion: The Support of Brotherhood
00:59:10
Speaker
this? Where are we going? And if I needed to just emotionally unload, my little brother is going to sit there the whole time. and He's going to listen. And and it's it's to me, I know that. And so my my whole goal now is, how do I spend the next 10 years with my brothers?
00:59:28
Speaker
How do I build that? and they that's that's just Without rambling too much, that that's how important my brothers are to me. And its and this really these with you guys and a couple other guys I got is on that same level. So we hit on some very different levels of brotherhood, some different types of brotherhood. and And I think it's important for us and our listeners to have some sort of brotherhood in their lives. It is just kind of a foundational thing. It keeps us moving. It keeps us knowing that people have our back and they are willing to lay themselves down for us in times of hardship.
01:00:15
Speaker
So reach out to those people that you know, that you want in your brotherhood, that you think are worthy of being in your brotherhood, that understand you and your experience, and they're willing to go through the the tough shit with you.
Challenge to Reconnect
01:00:30
Speaker
Um, so now we're going to bounce over to Caleb and we're going to find out what are our, our fun topic is for the day. It's our favorite. Best time of the week. I, we got to have a theme song for the quirky closeout. Like we do. where have lose out I missed the last two. Oh, you're going first. then Okay. Right before this quirky closeout, I'm going to challenge you three, shoot a text message or shoot or shoot a message to a person you haven't talked to in a while.
Dishwasher Debate
01:01:05
Speaker
And we're going to check in before the next that are on the next episode. mean You brought that up a few weeks ago and already did it. Dude, that's a good one. Well, yeah're we're going to do it again, dude. We're going to do it again. All right, quirky closeout.
01:01:21
Speaker
Worky close out. All right, this quirky close out causes a lot of fights in my house. It is a ah divisive division. How do you say that? Divisive question? Is that correct, Tyler? Is that a... No, decisive is like... It's a divisive topic. Yeah, it's divisive, divisive. Yeah, all right. The topic that divides, is that what we're saying here for us? It's divisive, it causes division.
01:01:50
Speaker
Yep, yep. Holy shit. I'm gonna ask everybody and then I'm gonna give you the right answer. So be prepared. The right answer. There's only one device. There's a right answer. We have the opportunity to be fucking wrong. This is fucking trivia. Okay. Does everybody have a dishwasher in your house? Like a true dishwasher. I'm not making it. Okay. I got divorced. No, I don't have one.
01:02:17
Speaker
Okay. I wasn't making that joke. The appliance. The appliance. Yeah, I put a load of it today. I bet you did. You take that out, you want to do now. Dirty, dirty minds. We're going to get canceled, then we're only on episode five. Yes, I do have a dishwasher in my house, Caleb. And I believe it's a song. Mack, you've had a dishwasher at least. Yeah, I've got a dishwasher.
01:02:47
Speaker
Okay, when you load silverware, do you go the part that goes into your mouth up or the part that goes in your mouth down into the basket? It goes up. It's supposed to go up. Oh man, it goes up. Okay, I load that shit down and I follow manufacturer's guidance. You're welcome. but You are all wrong. You know what? I have no doubt you read the fucking manual. This is what I mean.
01:03:17
Speaker
Can I? So I have I actually bought I bought a brand new dishwasher and we've never fucking used it. We've hand washed everything and it's been like three years of having this new dishwasher. Haven't fucking used it. I don't know why like well, I literally got a new one just to match all the other stainless steel appliances that I got and we haven't fucking used it. So I am the dishwasher.
01:03:45
Speaker
My mom read some article that you're not supposed to pre-rinse your plates. The dishwasher works better if you put everything in just fucking filthy, right? And which I'm totally cool with it because I've always done that because I'm fucking lazy. But at Thanksgiving, dude, she was on everyone's ass. Don't you rinse that plate off. It was hilarious. So you're not supposed to pre-rinse then?
01:04:10
Speaker
i don't I don't fucking do it. If I have to run the dishwasher twice, I'm that lazy. I'll just run the fucking dishwasher twice. yes So I don't know a about you guys, but I grew up on paper plates and plastic silverware and I despise them now as an adult. Like I like i like eating on a glass plate with a fork and I just, I have to do it. So yes, I load my dishwasher every night because I eat on actual plates.
01:04:39
Speaker
But how do you, my hands, I have a question. Yeah. yeah Caleb, how do you put the thing in the basket and close the lid and have the times of everything coming out? That's what I want. I don't, I don't close the lid. My baskets are open. So the tines, the only thing I'm wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You go tines up, right? Like if you reach in, you get stabbed.
01:05:06
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's manufacturer's guidelines. That's what we meant this whole time. Okay. Okay. Yes. That is manufacturer's guidelines. Yes. So, so, so Tara.
01:05:21
Speaker
and she's gonna be mad at me if we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about it. We're doing it. She puts tines down, dude, tines down, so that when you grab it out, you're not touching the part that goes in your mouth and you you don't contaminate it with your hands. And I tell her, well, how the hell the water's gonna splash on it and clean it if it's down inside that basket? It's gotta to be up. It's gotta be within the water. Yeah, now it's gotta be getting the hot water out.
01:05:49
Speaker
there yeah Now, now you guys, do you guys know that her mom, her mom lives with us. Her mom's lived with us for a couple of years now. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, her mom loves it like me. So Tara's the oddball out.
01:06:05
Speaker
ah That's awesome. du all right Is Tara awake? Break her dial. We need to have a conversation on the show. She's asleep, dude. It's late. Tara's at 8 39 o'clock. I have an amazing idea, guys. I think for one episode, we need to bring all the wives on and just Mack since he's single.
01:06:29
Speaker
I'll bring my ex-wife because she would love to talk to you. Oh, that would be interesting. But I was gonna say, you can you can facilitate a bunch of strangers talking and hosting our podcast.
01:06:40
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that was all entire ago And they don't also talk shit about us the whole time. You can say whatever you like. my funny me That shit would be awesome. I'll put my 12 year old on here.
01:06:57
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one of these days we're gonna do it. It's been amazing. Love you guys. Yeah, it's been it's been a good episode. um we will We will touch base next week. So thanks for listening in. If you have anything for us, please let us know. We'll ah we'll answer you on the DMs. we're We're still trying to hammer Mac to give us some fucking access to the Instagram.
01:07:20
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I'll get to it up this weekend. Let's do it this weekend. Not tomorrow, because I'm cleaning my whole apartment, but maybe tomorrow night. All right. Sounds good. I love you guys, man. This has been awesome. All right. It's been awesome. So thanks for listening, and we'll catch you next week.