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Episode 9: Job Transitions
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On this episode, the guys discuss their experiences transitioning from the military into the civilian workforce, navigating different work settings, and making the most of workplace change.
Good Morning, Gents! This is a podcast hosted by four Marine Corps veterans with the goal of uplifting men to be the best version of ourselves. In an age of high rates of suicide and depression, especially in the male population, we are taking a stand. This is a place that will cover all of the challenges and realities that we face in the current world, and how we can break down barriers to betterment for ourselves, our families, and the world.
A tragic suicide of our friend sparked an idea and experiment for us as we rekindled our friendship: A group text where we say "Good Morning" to each other every single day, and continue the conversation about what is going on in our lives, be there for one another, and spread positivity and reassurance. Men bear so much weight of responsibility in society that it is hard for men to have an outlet to express themselves. This has attributed to the vast number of suicides in the male population. We aim to cut those numbers down with this podcast. Between the discussions our hosts will talk about, and the guests we bring onto the show, we invite you to join us on this journey towards self-betterment for all.
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Transcript
Reunion of Hosts
00:00:08
Speaker
Good morning, gents.
00:00:12
Speaker
Good morning, gents. How are we doing this week? Tyler's back, Brandon's back, and Mac's back. The whole gang is here. Backstreet's all right.
00:00:24
Speaker
Oh, man, you're singing to my 90s baby. That was awesome. You're singing to the 90s child right here. That was so great. I put that shit on every morning, it feels like. Oh, my God, we're back again. Yes, sir.
00:00:39
Speaker
Nostalgic. That's right.
Weekly Struggles and Exhaustion
00:00:42
Speaker
That's right. Everybody have good weeks. Dude, my week is... um I'm warped this week, man. Dude, I'm just happy it's fucking over. There you go.
00:00:50
Speaker
I'm exhausted. Yeah, you're... Beyond belief. It's been a busy week here, too. let's Let's just... You know, general consensus, fuck this week. It's over. It's over. It'll start again Monday.
00:01:01
Speaker
It's wild. last Last week, we all had kind of had that uneventful week. Yep. And now this week, we all kind of were like, fuck this week. It's weird. This train is going downhill quick. We got our asses whooped, man. There's some sort of symbiotic relationship happening here. I'm tied directly to your guys' universe. like we We might need to break these parallels because I can't keep up with this. Somebody needs to get us a win here.
00:01:28
Speaker
Absolutely, you absolutely.
Career Transition Introductions
00:01:30
Speaker
So last week, we kind of talked about what it means to be a well-equipped man. You know, that's ah father a father, husband, just a man in general. And that moves us to this week. This week, we're going to talk about transitioning, not your gender.
00:01:44
Speaker
So what I mean by transitioning is career path, job, whatever you want to call it, but moving on with your life in the professional world workplace, whether that's a transition from the Marine Corps, transition from the firehouse transition from working as a security guard to something different, carpenter to welder, whatever that may be.
00:02:04
Speaker
This week we're going to kind of talk about the struggles of transition And how do we cope with them? What are some headwinds you face? And just some tips we've we've all experienced.
00:02:15
Speaker
You know, we've all applied to many places since our our transition out of the Marine Corps. And yeah, so who wants to kick it off with some of the struggles you first saw? but I mean, let's let's use that as a good jump point. You've got to let me give the disc definition.
00:02:30
Speaker
I mean, i didn't know if there was going to be a trend a transition definition. a noun and a verb. Okay, let's let's let's do the definition. I was just worried that the transition definition was... Oh, don't worry. I had to get around the transgender part of it.
00:02:44
Speaker
Okay. All right. All right. Let's go with the regular definition then. The regular definition of transition that most of us go through out of the Oxford Dictionary as a noun, the process or a period of changing from one state or condition to another.
00:03:03
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as a verb There you go. I hate how the word is put into the definition.
00:03:15
Speaker
Yeah, but that's the verb. Still. Stupid. I know. Listen, Oxford says that's what it is. i'm not going to argue. You don't argue at Oxford. Fuck Oxford. Yeah. yeah I'm about to say Tyler's and tyler's a Webster boy.
00:03:30
Speaker
Team Webster, bro.
00:03:33
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team webster bro
00:03:37
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All right. All right. Let's use it. Let's let's let's use. now that we've got the definition, and let's use that transition from the Marine Corps to what whether it was school, your your workplace, um your your middle ground job.
00:03:52
Speaker
Let's just talk through some of those struggles each one of us faced when we first made that transition from. Our first real career into our next step, right? Because anything prior to the Marine Corps for all of us was nothing but a gas station style job, right? Like something, something very temporary.
00:04:09
Speaker
I'll go first, man.
Tyler's Transition from Military to Film School
00:04:10
Speaker
Yeah, go for it. So I didn't have a job before the Marine Corps. I went in at 17. wasn't one of those kids who like was forced to get a job. Like my parents didn't make me go out and like work.
00:04:23
Speaker
um Lived a pretty privileged life. Yeah, I lived a pretty privileged life. um I mean, I did like chores and shit at home. But, you know, i as long as I did my schoolwork, I was good to go.
00:04:36
Speaker
So I did that, went in the Marine Corps, got out of active duty at 22, got out. I knew i was going to go to film school. I applied to Emerson College in Boston.
00:04:47
Speaker
Initially, i actually got denied. All right, time out for a second. I want everybody on here to understand. This man was dedicated and dead set on chasing his goal of going to film school, no matter how much the Marine Corps and his friends berated him for it.
00:05:04
Speaker
So he deserves props. And we did. like God, we did. Sticking to that dream. So first, shout out to that dream. Keep up with the story. Thanks, man.
00:05:14
Speaker
I wasn't expecting that. Thank you. um So when I first applied to Emerson College, I got denied because I i had like basic grades and in high school.
00:05:27
Speaker
They weren't, you know, immaculate. but They weren't terrible. But I didn't do any AP courses because I knew i was going straight. And like, I just didn't give a fuck to like overachieve. You know, i wasn't going for anything crazy. I just knew I was going enlisted. it was like, who gives a fuck?
00:05:42
Speaker
So Emerson initially denied me. So they're like, well, if you go to a ah community college first and get, you know, good grades, then we'll consider you. So I went to community college and I fucking hit it out of the park, had a 4.0 GPA, got accepted into Emerson, went off to film school.
00:05:59
Speaker
That was awesome. Got straight A's the whole time. And then i got out and it was amazing. I mean, just the the transition from the Marine Corps to college itself was absolutely jarring. It felt like Billy Madison. Like, you know, I'm this older guy mixed in with these 18, 19 year olds who have no life experience, you know, no fault to their ah so them.
00:06:23
Speaker
But it was it was really funny um just being mixed in with them and trying to fit in. And like I had no friends whatsoever and trying to know you and when you went into college.
00:06:35
Speaker
I was 20, 24, 25, think. Okay. just Gandalf. Yeah. um By the time, yeah, I think by the time I got to Emerson, i was like 24 and they were 19.
00:06:49
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And i i did find some cool transfer students who like transferred from other colleges who were like a little bit older, who didn't live. on campus that you know kind of fit in with me more so I'd hang out with them a bit and then you know for me it was like even though I had such a wildly different experience from them i took the difference from my life to theirs and I just said like let me embrace this moment like it it gives me a different perspective on life like they might not have the same experiences as me or
00:07:21
Speaker
life challenges or adversity that I faced, but like they can give me a fresh new perspective. And especially as I'm trying to delve into film, like they might teach me something that, you know, I'm trying to learn about life or myself.
00:07:35
Speaker
So i I actually made like a ah good amount of friends at college and I was really grateful for it. And then by the time I got out of college, I decided not to stay in l L.A. um because I did my final semester out there.
00:07:47
Speaker
And then i was trying to figure out what the fuck I'm going to do. So the whole transition really after college was how do i keep pursuing film while being back at home in New York?
00:08:00
Speaker
um Because so many of my friends stayed in L.A. and I was like, well, I don't want to do that because I don't want to just live paycheck to paycheck, slaving away, doing something else while not really being able to work on my own creative work because there's just no time for it.
00:08:15
Speaker
because you're just trying to pay bills. So I said, let me do work in New York, make a living comfortably, and then I could do my film work on the side. So really, it was just trying to find that path.
00:08:28
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um And it was really rough starting
Career Balancing Act
00:08:30
Speaker
out. I right after college, I became a freaking bus boy at a restaurant. Like it felt like an entry level job again. And I was like, man, like I'm worth so much more than this.
00:08:41
Speaker
But, you know, at the time, i i absolutely hated life. I was miserable. i was living at my mom's shoebox apartment. Like, but when I was working there, that's where I met my future wife. Like, you know, i feel like these kind of things are just, you know,
00:08:56
Speaker
Fate, like things just work out the way they do for a reason. um i never used to think that way. Like I thought everything is just random. I don't think of destiny really, but I'm grateful for the experience that I had in that.
00:09:10
Speaker
And it got me to where I am. I got into veterans mental health. I've been working that since 2019. And ever since 2022, I started working with the fire department and just having like a multitude of different career paths while also going towards my goal in filmmaking.
00:09:30
Speaker
it It allows me so many different avenues of like self-fulfillment. Like, you know, with the fire department, I get to still feel some sort of way that I felt in the military about like, um you know, honor and duty and sacrifice for the community and for the greater good for veterans, mental health. I get to still serve, you know, the the veterans and like, feel like I'm serving the the community that I care so much about.
00:09:59
Speaker
And for my filmmaking, I'm doing that on the side while it doesn't seem to like have the goals that I reach completely. so consistently anymore like it's more of like long-term things that you know happen every six to 12 months it's just knowing that i'm working on it and working towards something is giving me a great achievement but man the transition is still tough everywhere you go like and especially coming from the military like that that never fucking leaves you i'm thankful to have military like-minded people around me like in my firehouse there's
00:10:33
Speaker
a couple people who served in the military guy in my group served in the Marine Corps. Like it's nice to have people around me and you guys, especially it's nice to have people around me to talk to who kind of understand what I'm going through in my experience.
00:10:46
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. My, my transition outlooks, I mean, pretty similar. I skipped the schools part, right? I didn't start attacking this one until the last couple years, but like transition down to the Marine Corps I had a job lined up before I EAS, you know, I had, I'd senior enlisted telling me I wasn't going to amount to shit.
00:11:04
Speaker
Um, so like the day you pick up your DD two 14, you've got this bad perspective in your mouth, in your, in your, in your mind of, um, Am I going to succeed? Can I succeed?
Caleb's Civilian Transition and Self-Doubt
00:11:15
Speaker
All these people who are older than me don't think I can succeed. Right. So like you you start questioning, did I make the right decision with your DD 214 in your hand? Like, like it's very hard to like backpedal from that point.
00:11:28
Speaker
um I had a job lined up. it was It was a decent paying job. It was contracting on ah on the Air Force Base. But it was just that. It was contracting. It was it was transitional work. It wasn't a career. It wasn't like the Marine Corps.
00:11:41
Speaker
There was no progression. There's no promoting. there's no you know There's no career path. If you work here and once this ends, you find another job site to work on and you move your family to that. And the money's the same and it is what it is.
00:11:55
Speaker
So I took a massive pay cut, like 50% pay cut, and started at my current employer. And with the understanding that it's a company of, you know, 35,000 people across 27 states and that there is always going to be room for me to achieve and grow.
00:12:13
Speaker
But I felt unqualified to be there. Um, I had real world life experience. I real world leadership experience in the military. I say real world, but I had actual experience doing that stuff.
00:12:26
Speaker
Um, but I didn't have a degree and I still don't have a degree. And that, that makes me feel lesser because of my, my path sometimes that I don't have my degree. Um, So that's kind of that leads me into some of the struggles I have in the transition is I feel less qualified than my peers of my age because i'm ah I don't have a formal education.
00:12:46
Speaker
When you leave the military, at least for me, I was successful in the Marine Corps. I was good at what I did. It was recognized. And then you go into a gin pop style job.
00:13:00
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You have to try and find that success and that gratification and like that that acknowledgement from your peers again or from your supervisors. So like, it's like a, like I felt like I was failing because I was new somewhere. If that makes sense, it's a hard thing to explain.
00:13:16
Speaker
um And then the volatility that is the civilian workforce, at least for me is kind of nerve wracking from time to time. You never know, you know, what the economy does, whether or not the company goes through layoffs and you know, it's the Marine Corps can't cut you. You're on a contract. Like,
00:13:32
Speaker
They can't fire you. They can fap you out to the gate. You're going to work the gate, but like they can't fire you. I don't want to. Sorry, Brandon. I don't want to jump in front of anybody and I'm not going to go on a large tangent here, but ah just to to say something to reply to you, Caleb, um I um understand your sentiments about like the feeling weird because you don't have a thing, but like,
00:13:57
Speaker
You're legitimately one of the smartest people I know. And not having that does not ever negate like how legitimate you are and in this world and like you're the way you are an asset to every job you've ever had. like You're one of the most talented people I know, and you have always served like every everything you've ever done. like You've put such an amazing effort into it, and that can't go away. and like that That's not just...
00:14:24
Speaker
It's a fucking piece of paper. Like it means suck that it's it basically means what a day like it's a nice and it's a nice achievement for those who achieve it. But like it does not diminish you as a person or anybody else who doesn't have a degree like or there's a success.
00:14:41
Speaker
what What it what it shows employers. I had a ah very smart man and I actually don't know if he listens to our podcast because I haven't shared it with him. But I ah should share the podcast with him, but he retired from the company I work for right now.
00:14:54
Speaker
And he told me what a degree does is is it shows your employer that you can show up every day. You can accomplish a task with timelines and be reliable.
00:15:05
Speaker
That's it. You're not going learn anything in a normal degree that's going set you apart from your peers. Everybody gets the same education, but the ability to follow through with it. So I will say that a lot of employers are switching their tune to degrees unless it's very technical.
00:15:21
Speaker
And you've seen in the last probably five years, even in my company, ah degree preferred or commensurate work experience being put into qualifications required for for it But that is a more recent transition. And that's not a that's not our thing. That's not something that I experienced when I Like I applied for other positions within my company before I got the one I got and was told I don't have a degree or not qualified. Right. Like i I was literally rejected off that basis.
00:15:52
Speaker
So that's not something that is, it's something that's more new than it is old. So. The department I used to work for promoted people based on started promoting people based on if they had a degree or not, and then would let them go into upper management. So captains, majors, ah and above on only if they had a degree or not.
00:16:13
Speaker
And some of that was the worst fucking leadership I've ever experienced in my gosh darn life. So anyone that tells me like, you need a degree in certain jobs for, Like, dude, you know what I learned in fucking college?
00:16:27
Speaker
That I can show up to class hung the fuck over and take a nap and still pass with goddamn C. Like, I don't know. i Anybody that believes that you need – I get that like you got to do what the companies want you to do because you got to get paid.
00:16:42
Speaker
But anybody that fucking thinks that a degree fucking set you apart from the blue collar dude that will show up and bust his ass for 12 hours and not bitch once. Fuck that.
00:16:53
Speaker
Give me that guy over some fucking pansy in a classroom all day. I appreciate you guys coming to my defense. I do. that's ah let's Let's get Brandon and Mac to get your your your transition from the Marine Corps. And then I would kind of want to dive in on some of the ah feelings we've we've had, the the headwinds we face when deciding our jobs and et cetera, right? wait I kind of want to hear everybody's quick transition story. And then let's let's switch into some of these more detailed topics.
00:17:21
Speaker
So I don't know if I speak for Mac as well on this, but I don't remember if if Caleb had any kids coming out of the Marine Corps, but I did. um And that was when I got out, it was what can I take as soon as I get home?
00:17:35
Speaker
It was I have a wife. I have a child, I have to make money now. Somehow, some way money has to come in. um My first job was outside of the Marine Corps. I've had eight.
00:17:46
Speaker
I've had eight jobs and
Brandon's Post-Military Job Journey
00:17:48
Speaker
that's not including partial school. My first job was youth corrections and I never recommend recommend that to anybody. Stay away from correctional facilities, run away as fast as you can.
00:17:58
Speaker
um don't ever do it. that That was a very heartbreaking place. I mean, and then after that, after that took a mental toll on me after about four or five months, I was into aluminum extrusion.
00:18:09
Speaker
I'm not a factory worker. My wife was going to school to be a nurse. Still had to put my food on the table, money in our pockets, you know, and ah this is all in 2016 and I was making $14 an hour, you know, working 10, 12 hour shifts, seven days a week.
00:18:27
Speaker
I can honestly say that I've done a lot. I did volunteer fire department. I've worked at a lumber yard after while working at aluminum extrusion, while working yeah EMS and like moving through these jobs. and Right now, I've kind of landed something i I'm hoping I can continue in as a career with being a veteran service officer and helping veterans process claims and and understanding veterans affairs law and how that works.
00:18:52
Speaker
And you're right, Caleb. It A lot of it requires a degree and I do not have one and I do not foresee myself finishing with a degree. I have enough for an associate's. I have enough credits to say that I haven't. Well, I don't have an associate's, but i have enough credits if they require me to say I have an associate's degree, which will hopefully get me landed somewhere in that.
00:19:12
Speaker
area or realm but uh dude as a 30 year old sitting in a room full of 18 year olds that was rough especially in in 2023 um and coming from a very small town and and being set in my ways as a man um transitioning i mean i was just talking with my father about this we've had many conversations and actually with a good friend of mine who was uh in the army that we we should be better at transitioning our military guys out of the military.
00:19:41
Speaker
Just like we bring them in to get them into a certain mindset, we should get them back out into a certain way. That's something I think that would help us transition. That's about all I get Transition out of the military. I had a job set up before I got out. i took the transition class that she's supposed to fucking take, the processing out class, like a year before I got out.
00:19:59
Speaker
I was never going to stay in. Just one thing, me and the ex-wife decided after deployment that we were done. We weren't doing that. We were going to move back to where we were from. And I looked at several different police departments.
00:20:16
Speaker
I danced with the idea of being a firefighter for a little while. And i knew... I mean, the the benefit of having a constant paycheck. It's one thing my dad always said growing up is there's always a need for cops and you're always going to get a paycheck. So i was like, all right, that's solid.
00:20:34
Speaker
I think real real world transition struggles hit. um A month or two getting out of the military when you start paying, your housing is no longer a stipend to you.
00:20:47
Speaker
You're paying mortgage out of your small-ass paycheck anyways. um i think I think that was my biggest transition hit was like, holy shit, I'm not paying TRICARE anymore. i don't have a housing stipend. I'm fucking paying this out of, I'm making more money, but I'm not bringing home more money.
00:21:05
Speaker
So I think that was the biggest struggle in the transition with kids. and i went straight into the the police department and my biggest transition studentt struggle professionally in there was the mindset um again my mom was a military dad brat dad was a trooper we had a certain mindset at our house um i didn't realize And then I went in the Marine Corps. like I didn't realize that wasn't a normal mindset for most people that wanted to be fucking cops.
00:21:33
Speaker
um But it's not. And i i had ah I struggled for a while at the police academy getting along with my my peers. um Imagine that. I didn't take weakness kindly. Um, but i mean, I, I figured it out. I, I had, we did peer evaluations and I've always been one open to criticism. I took my criticism. I learned from it and i grew into and department. Um,
00:22:01
Speaker
i don't wish i had worked for that department i wish i would have chosen a different department um because the leadership in that department was not of the military take care of your men mindset but i learned that the hard way so fuck it um i found other veterans in our uh in my department and i worked with them and i mean they were all fucking awesome um It was great to go on the squads where at least a handful of guys had the same mindset, same transition. Everybody left the military, went straight into that department.
00:22:33
Speaker
Now we're working as cops. I had a supervisor very early on, and had been in the Army. So that it was, for me, the transition... was more about taking care of my family and making sure I had a paycheck at all times and doing something at least I didn't want to drive my head through a wall.
00:22:52
Speaker
I looked at factory jobs. My ex-wife, her family is full of blue collar, hardworking dudes. And I kind of looked into some places they were working and I was like, I can't do it.
00:23:04
Speaker
I couldn't, I can't, I can't do that. I'm not built that way. Um, I wish I was. I wish I was a skilled worker, oh but I'm not. I've got a ah better a drive to do what I do and give back to the community in a way that is, I don't know, it's just bred into me. So my transition was this is what I'm going to do.
00:23:24
Speaker
ah went and did it, and that has continued to grow. And I've never really gotten away from that one idea that this is what I'm going to go do. And I still just do it. So the trend, my biggest transition is not professionally work transition out of the Marine Corps was not the hardest transition of my life.
00:23:43
Speaker
Gotcha.
Factors Influencing Career Changes
00:23:44
Speaker
All right. Well, thank you everybody for sharing your transition out of the Marine Corps. Mac, we're going to touch on that transition later, possibly. um Let's talk about how we decide to make a transition.
00:23:56
Speaker
I know we're focusing on on the workplace because that's, I mean, that's that's honestly where we mix it up the most in our life. As far as major life changes, there are other ways, to divorce, deciding to have a kid, deciding to move. But but Really, when it comes down to like living your life, like the workplace is kind of the biggest transition we face as far as deciding to chase happiness in the workplace or to chase success or money or whatever it may be.
00:24:26
Speaker
So what are some details that matter when you decide to to make a transition, right? What were the details that went through head when you wanted to leave one of the eight jobs, Brandon, or, you know,
00:24:38
Speaker
Tyler, you gave some details there. Like, I don't want to be in l LA working without any ability to spend time on passion projects. So like, what's important to you that helps you make the decision?
00:24:52
Speaker
Like, yep, I'm doing this shit, right? Well, I knew... with With the transition from my first job out outside of the Corps was that youth facility, corrections facility.
00:25:04
Speaker
And that was just, it was soul sucking, man. Like you just could not, I went home every night and I would buy six 211 steel reserves and I would drink them within the first three hours of being home just to forget the day.
00:25:19
Speaker
i And I would do this almost every day. i was on seven days a week, dang near, and sometimes working 16s. It was not good. People would call off all the time. But after that, I'm like, you know what?
00:25:32
Speaker
I'm going to go from making $10.25 an hour to making $13 an hour at tube light, which was aluminum extrusion. thirteen dollars an hour at tubelightte which was aluneminum extrusion I get to the factory. I'm working there in the wintertime. It's good. i never get any breaks. I lost a lot of weight, you know, and then springtime hit and I realized i am not an animal that needs to be caged.
00:25:53
Speaker
So then i'm I'm sitting there and i'm like, man, I really don't like this. The sun's up. I need to be outside working. Yeah. Then I landed. it was honestly just kind of like feeling where I fit in inside my head is where I would transition the job. Either it was soul sucking with the youth home.
00:26:10
Speaker
It was. And yes, yes, I am still sober, Caleb. How long? um I'm well over two years now. Mac? Like a year and a half.
00:26:21
Speaker
There's a transition for the listeners. um rity That was a tough transition. i'll actually get there Props to you guys. thanks um After I got to the lumber yard, I started um was right across the street from the fire department and the guy who owned the lumber yard was on one of the local fire departments so I was allowed to alternate calls with another guy that worked at the lumberyard on the fire department.
00:26:42
Speaker
And then I got my yeah em EMT license and I was like, well, I'd like to dedicate more time to being an EMT. And, but I loved the lumberyard dude. it Like that was my favorite. My favorite place to work was outside on a greasy fork truck, unloading semis at this mom and pop lumberyard stocking shelves for like $12 an hour. I loved it.
00:27:03
Speaker
Just small people, small unit. It was perfect. And then EMS was a whirlwind, especially through COVID and my wife graduated nursing school. And, but I can honestly say leaving the um lumber yard was the hardest one for me.
00:27:20
Speaker
And then going EMS and then my wife just coming home after listening to a motivational speaker, and don't think it was Matt Foley, but, uh, she, uh, she come home and she's like, we're moving to the UP. And I'm like, what?
00:27:32
Speaker
And she's like, yeah, we're moving to the UP. I was like, sweet. When are packing our bags? Yeah. And then honestly, I became a stay at home dad for a while as she became a nurse. And that was also, i went crazy.
00:27:44
Speaker
i couldn't do it. I don't know why. it just felt like there was a lack of purpose, lack of drive, a lack of just anything. It just felt like I was just kind of skating and coasting through life. And then I found this job working as a VSO.
00:27:57
Speaker
Well, actually I started out as a secretary there and I just kind of landed in it. I loved learning about the VA and their law and compensation and veteran benefits and learning it, not only from my own knowledge, but to see the help I could provide to veterans through that and to assist them.
00:28:16
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was just, it was amazing. You know, Brandon, I'm so glad like that you got that job. like Of all the people I know, you are somebody who just wholeheartedly has cared about me and making sure that I'm good. you know Through all this time that I've known you, you've always, always checked up on me and made sure that I'm good. and I can't think of anybody better for that job than you.
00:28:42
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And I'm really glad that you somehow landed. It's been awesome. and Thanks, man. Yeah. And um so, Caleb, to answer your question, man, I guess what I would say is really you have to look at like what what serves you most.
00:28:59
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You can't always get the job that is going to be the most financially feasible or the most. reasonable at the time but you you got to do what you got to do and you have to just kind of like make it like almost you kind of have to figure out what your end game is and not necessarily like you know exactly how your life is going to be and all the beats are going to play out the exact way you want But you have to have some kind of game.
00:29:30
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And sometimes you got to do that like lower end job just to get by. And it might be like a decent job. Like Brandon, you were doing a job that you enjoyed that like probably wasn't like the most financially feasible job.
00:29:45
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Not and like, yeah. And those jobs are OK for the time being. But you're working towards something and you have to figure out where you want to get to.
00:29:57
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and You also have to figure out like what what is worth doing? You know, not everybody lands a job that is like their dream job that they want to do for the rest of their life. And like, that's what makes them whole. Some people just ah actually a lot of people do a job just to get by.
00:30:15
Speaker
You know, not everybody has a dream a job that is their dream job, which is like my big struggle internally of like, my goal as a filmmaker is like, how do I turn that into a job?
00:30:28
Speaker
And, you know, so many people look at me and they're like, well, you're, you're a firefighter. You have a career that like is supposed to last you until retirement. And i'm like, absolutely. And I would love to, you know, get to retirement with it.
00:30:41
Speaker
But at the same time, like I, as long as i don't let my, my dream slip away. So it's like, you have to pick between, know, finding something that works towards feasibility, something that works financially, and something that kind of makes you feel at least a little bit whole or feasible enough to where you're like, you know what, I think I could do this for a while.
00:31:06
Speaker
you have You have to find the middle ground of kind of all those things or it's probably not going to work. So for me, it's like, I could keep working on my filmmaking on the side while I do the firefighting as my main career and do, you know, veterans mental health as my my B job.
00:31:22
Speaker
And I'm just going to see where it goes. But um'm I'm trying to fill all those boxes in one. And, you know, I'm a little bit more complex. Somebody else might be a little bit more simple with like what they want out of life.
00:31:35
Speaker
But you you have to find that middle ground between all those things. Yeah, absolutely. ah yeah I think my the way I decide has changed since having kids, but while still having the same motive.
00:31:49
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You guys kind of know my personality and and maybe some of the listeners have picked up on it, but like i'm I'm driven by success. I'm driven by like accomplishing success.
00:31:59
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um that's what motivates me regardless of what it is profession wise The side effects of success and accomplishing is financial stability. It's, its you know, a better life for your kids, etc.
00:32:13
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um So having children has only amplified my anxiety. And that is my primary deciding factor when I take a plunge is what does this do for my family in the long run right my my job before working at the railroad what of Like, I've got friends that still do that job.
00:32:34
Speaker
It comes with ah with a very high security clearance and the ability to work for the Department of State and travel the world and make tax-free money. I've got dudes in my you know in my Facebook friends building kick-ass houses with cash um because they've worked overseas for the last five years and they came back and they they just pay cash for it.
00:32:55
Speaker
i couldve I could have did that. But like my wife and I decided we were going to settle down, put down roots and establish a family kind of beginning phases. And I chose long term career and growth for a stable family future. I don't know. It's it's a weird dichotomy of like in instant gratification with cash or, you know.
00:33:16
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long-term success and that it's kind of the struggle i've i've always dealt with i like nice things now but i also Like, I want the success with a nice thing. All right.
Personal Life Challenges and Faith
00:33:27
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So we've talked about why we we transition, some of our transition. Does anybody have a transition outside of the scope that we've talked about that they want to allude to um before we move into how to prepare to transition?
00:33:40
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Say one that caught me off guard. And that's just, that's honestly a transition in faith for myself recently. You know, as the last six months, you know, I've turned my life back over to God and and following his will.
00:33:54
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um I can honestly say i I think it's strengthened my family and it's been a ah good transition for myself. If any of our listeners are thinking about it, you know, i I'd recommend it.
00:34:06
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Yeah, absolutely. That's a so transition that I also took in 2020, 2021 timeframe. You guys knew me before. So for me to do that transition is it must have come as a shock to some of you.
00:34:20
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Yeah, you guys, old Brando here was denim vest with tons of band patches, playing death metal music in dive bars around eastern North Carolina, right? Like, you can't see it, but he's he's showing a a tattoo that he's got that is not... Crossbuster from the band Bad Religion. like There you go.
00:34:41
Speaker
So, it's... Yeah, that I mean, that's ah that's a pretty crazy transition. That's ah that's a wild transition out of left field. Not not that it's it's unfounded right but like it's just you know um do you kind of want to talk to what what motivated you into that i mean without going into like honestly expanding upon your faith but like what made you push towards the church and so honestly it was a weird it was it was kind of like pieces fell into place without me even moving them um My boss, her father is a is the pastor of the church that I go to now.
00:35:15
Speaker
And i was actually in online courses and I was taking just an intro to religion class. And it was just, I couldn't choose a religion that I've already either practiced in the past or had familiarity with.
00:35:28
Speaker
So I was just... kind of going with the flow and i'd I'd be talking with her all the time you know her dad's been a pastor for almost 55 years and he's like every day she'd be like just come talk to my dad just come talk to my dad come to church talk to my dad come to church talk to my dad so all right so one day i just kind of got fed up with it and I'm just like fine October 28th 2024 we're going to have dinner with your parents and we're going to go to church with you and it was just like everything I needed to hear in conversation, in service.
00:36:00
Speaker
It just, I don't know. It was it was es strange. It was really strange. But a great thing, though, that happened. And I can say I've been happier and I'm not perfect by any means, but it's definitely and impacted my life positively.
00:36:13
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Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Mack, I saw you come off mute there for a second. Nah, dude. The biggest transition outside of what we've already mentioned, I think, that I'll fucking relate to that over half the goddamn country relates to is a divorce.
00:36:29
Speaker
And it's the transition from fucking hell. ah Divorce is not signing paperwork. And one day you're married, one day you're fucking not married. mean, that transition is, it is losing what you once were, what you once had the,
00:36:48
Speaker
idea of what your future would look like. So you' you're losing your future. You're losing everything you've worked up for up until that point has now taken a severe left turn on a red light and you're you don't get through that fucking intersection without getting fucking hammered.
00:37:05
Speaker
um it's ah Anyone that's gone through a divorce and like, well, it was fucking easy. Well, you guys must have... I don't know how... that i don't know i can't relate to that. But I can't relate to people that say divorce was easy for them.
00:37:19
Speaker
Maybe you and the other person really fucking just hated each other. Maybe you realize you just didn't love each other. i don't know. um You went your separate ways. You had an easy divorce. Good for you.
00:37:29
Speaker
Glad that life is good for you. For the rest of us, we deal with our exes, especially if we have kids. um I'll fucking say it. The family court system is fucked towards dads.
00:37:40
Speaker
um They don't give a shit. About dads. That's the honest truth. So if you're getting a divorce and you're the father, get yourself a really good lawyer. it doesn't matter if your ex-wife is spending all the money.
00:37:52
Speaker
Get yourself a really good fucking lawyer and fight that shit until you're black, blue and bloody on the ground. Because if you try to be nice to your ex, you're going to get fucked even more. So then you're going to fight it even more.
00:38:04
Speaker
And that's just the way the courts are set up. They're set up to defend against deadbeat dads because there are a lot of those too. There are a lot of people that do that. So it's a transition that takes you years. And not even emotionally, dude.
00:38:17
Speaker
Honestly, you deal with a lot of things that, especially depending on how some divorce is in, like you can walk away from that marriage pretty quickly. You'll deal with some of the issues that you developed.
00:38:27
Speaker
while being married to certain types of personalities. But yeah i mean, you it takes a long time to figure out, work through all those issues. Professional help, friends, other relationships, they will point things out that you didn't know you had.
00:38:42
Speaker
So that transition takes a long time. that will You're not going to figure it out in six months. um And you're going to need people to be brutally honest with you. And it so that's just the transition. I think most people go through men and women and it's equal on both sides. Men are just as big as assholes and divorces as wives are.
00:39:02
Speaker
You're both people are giving up a future together and it doesn't end nicely. If it does, congratulations. I'm glad you guys work together. I'm glad you both could support each other and you can support yourselves once you move on. But that's not how it goes most times. so So my biggest transition in my whole fucking life is going through that divorce.
00:39:20
Speaker
And I'm still fucking dealing with it. Not the emotional side of it, the family court side of it. um And that's emotional thing, too, because you get frustrated more. You'd be sitting there on a fucking random Wednesday afternoon thinking about all the fucking ways. And you're like, God damn it.
00:39:36
Speaker
How am I doing? How am I doing so well everywhere else? And this fucking monkey is still on my back. And it comes kind of what you you're trying to provide a life for your kids that you want to.
00:39:49
Speaker
And it's you and it's just you and you can support you and you can support the life for your kids. But the way the courts are system, you're also having to support somebody else to help support your kids. And that gets frustrating.
00:40:03
Speaker
Yeah. So it's a I don't know. It's a transition that it doesn't as of where I'm at in life. and I'm close enough to being like, man, maybe maybe there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I can see it.
00:40:16
Speaker
But really, like the rest of my life is great. I just have this fucking monkey on my back. That's like, yeah, fuck me. But I mean, that's that's the family court system. And it's like that across the whole country.
00:40:27
Speaker
i i mean i think judges are getting better about recognizing dads wanting to be more involved um but again there are those dads out there giving the rest of us a bad name every other weekend that's all i want judge i'm cool with paying this much money every month because i don't i want to live a single life that that fucks down the rest of us and so uh it's a transition that's fucking for me hard and it creeps up at the worst times when you don't want and when you're trying not to think about it and then something happens or you got a co-parent and you and your co-parent don't see anything eye to eye or you're you get your kids back and they're used to one set of rules and they come to your place and now you've got a different set of rules because again you and your co-parent don't parent the same um
00:41:13
Speaker
And if like Mark parenting situation is back and forth a lot and that's rough on the kids. And it's just I mean, there there are so many little factors that going into being divorced.
00:41:25
Speaker
That transition. i mean, I don't know when it ends because mine still fucking goes on. And I'm sure there are guys out there that have been divorced for a long time. They might even be remarried and they're still dealing with that.
00:41:38
Speaker
last one as far as co-parenting goes so so i mean i that's that's my biggest transition in life um the one that if i had to talk about going from one life to another that's that that's the one that fucking gets me and like i said my life is honestly i'm happier now um i'm more in tune with who i am i'm um I like who I am. i'm I'm more confident in who I am.
00:42:05
Speaker
I'm more confident in my abilities as a dad. I'm better i' i'm a better dad um because I'm forced to do everything on my own when I have my kids. And then it you have to actively try to stay participating in your kids' lives when they're not there. So you have to be a more in tune dad um and able to communicate with your kids when you're not around them. So for me, every, I mean, it's just at one point or another, we were probably getting divorced.
00:42:32
Speaker
um just the way it is but I don't hate my ex-wife I don't I don't think she hates me um but I'm whatever it's it is what it is now i'm way I'm better now than I was and it took a a long time to get here so so yeah yeah how do you buddy yeah dude we talked here your divorce when it was kind of peaked out um It's just funny that you guys are kind of shared both of those stories back to back because I have those stories and there're they that they run parallel.
00:43:12
Speaker
Like for our listeners, right? Like I was divorced and all to my own fault. um i was um that divorce put me at the lowest point in my in my adult life the peak of suicidal ideations i cut off family i'd cut off friends um but through that divorce i found onm christ and transitioned into the church so like it's like both of your guys are so let's i just yeah And that's not common both of them are, right? Like these are channels.
00:43:44
Speaker
This isn't like transitioning out the military is a pretty specific thing. Like there's only a small percentage of Americans who have done that. But if you look at divorce, over 50% of married Americans have been divorced and going into religious religion or getting out of religion, I think is something most people have dealt with at some point in their life.
00:44:05
Speaker
um For sure. So that's just that's a common thing that I think is if I'm going to relate to people, that's the most relatable thing I can transition and I can share with people. That's a real life thing with me.
00:44:17
Speaker
all right. I want to bring up one thing real quick. Yep. And it's more of like a lighthearted thing. I was moving us that way. For those of us who have multiple jobs.
00:44:28
Speaker
So for me, it's really hard for me to transition because like, you know, I'll work a 24 hour shift at the firehouse and then go home, shower, you know, rest up a tiny bit and then go straight to work at my next job at my ah at Mental Health of America.
00:44:47
Speaker
And I'll immediately have to transition my mindset from one job to the next. And one thing I find like really funny, you know, it's it's nice that like all my co-workers at my mental health job are all veterans. So it's like they they have that kind of like dark humor kind of thing, which is similar to the firehouse.
00:45:07
Speaker
So I don't have that like major transition with that. But at the same time, at the firehouse, things are like ah Lord of the Flies style. Like, you're you're a fucking savage, you know?
00:45:20
Speaker
i'll go I'll go to MHA and work, and I'll just rip a nasty fart in the middle of the office and forget where I'm at. Because, like, that's the normal thing to do at the firehouse. Like, if you gotta fart, you gotta fart.
00:45:36
Speaker
You just let it out. But you're in the middle of... you know, an office setting and everyone looks at you like you're a psychopath.
00:45:45
Speaker
Like, dude, I can. attack What is wrong with you, bro? Why are you doing this? I'm like, oh, shit. Forgot where I'm at. I'm sorry, guys. We're going to build off that. We're going to build off the mental transition.
00:45:57
Speaker
So I kind of want to talk through everybody's rocky routine. What is your rocky routine? You know, where are Where's the ice locker that you're punching cows and what's the steps you're running up?
00:46:08
Speaker
You know, how do you prepare for transition?
Preparing for Transitions
00:46:12
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How do you put your mindset, whether it's a big or small transition? You know, we make these decisions. Not all the all transitions are are shock and surprise transitions. Most are are calculated.
00:46:25
Speaker
How do we prepare for that? What is your, what is your, you pour into it? Do you research it? You know, what what is, what is everybody's method? Dude, I'd have to say like, I don't know. I'm i'm more of a fly by the seat of your pants kind of guy.
00:46:39
Speaker
So I just kind of roll with the punches till I figure out and the ebbs and flows of of how it works. yeah I hold onto to things until it's like dead, done, no longer good for me. Like, yeah I will hold onto the, it doesn't matter job.
00:46:55
Speaker
relationship. it I will hold on to it until it's like killed me to the point where if I don't release it, I'm not going to do well. And like, I have to get to that very burn bottom. and then I'm like, all right, time to go the next thing. And I got the next thing. It's like, oh, wow, shit, this, this is way better.
00:47:12
Speaker
Why did I not do this? And it's always like an ass kicker, right? Like, why did I not fucking do this 12 months ago? You dumbass. Like, why did you sit on that other thing and just fucking suffer? And so like, but that's just me. Like I will hold on to things and and pound my head off the fucking concrete until I'm like, all right, let me try something else. And then I try it. i'm like, well, fuck, I should have done this long time ago. Let's cool.
00:47:35
Speaker
Let's do this. So I don't know. Every transition I've made outside of the divorce, as far as career, family, parents, don't know. It's like, all right, well, it's time to do this. I got to do this for the betterment of me.
00:47:48
Speaker
yeah. so yeah i i think i think my transitions outside of divorce and and finding faith are very much uh represented in using the like caterpillar to butterfly analogy um slowly i start let me fly that's right slowly i start like leaning in on something and then i make that decision right that's that caterpillar to cocoon I make that dude you start talking about something and everybody looks around and goes, are how long until he fucking does it?
00:48:19
Speaker
ah If those words come out of your mouth, I know the box is halfway checked. And once I decide on something, then I start that long term planning to to accomplish it and get it done. And I say long term planning, it might just be a couple weeks, but, you know, like.
00:48:36
Speaker
if I'm making a decision after something, it's not a, I made this decision at noon and i mean act I'm acting on it, on but by, you know, 6 PM, like I'm, I,
00:48:47
Speaker
am over analytical with it. And I've got to make sure that i have a high rate of success. um I think that's a huge downfall of mine because it's based off of a fear of rejection.
00:48:59
Speaker
So say thank you think you have a fear of failure? Thousand percent, thousand percent, thousand percent. One of my biggest fears. I fear failure more than I fear getting in a car wreck. That's my biggest ah fear too.
00:49:10
Speaker
Dude, one of the best places for me for mental transition, and it may sound weird, was in the EMS. And I don't know why. It's because I could always keep it moving to where I didn't have to think. You just you get one call, you hit the yeah ER, you drop patient off, you be driving back to the station, you get another call, you're like, oh, this is totally different.
00:49:25
Speaker
like i didn't have That's why I love being a cop. EMS is nerve-wracking for me, dude. No, man, I loved it. Like you got back in the car and like the frustrating part was you couldn't get your fucking paperwork done before the next call. Like I didn't have think.
00:49:38
Speaker
I just had to rely on training and experience and go to the next call and handle business, man. Like, yeah. oh I mean, don't get me wrong. Some of the days were hard, but it was it was like you just relied on training, like you said. Yeah, it's the unknown. It's the unknowns in that.
00:49:52
Speaker
job for me like you might get a call where like you're not used to doing whatever it is you have to you know you might get a call that it's some type of emergency that you're just you just haven't done before and oh I'm blessed by like my department is close to a hospital you know we don't have a long ride time to get there so you always have that fallback of like knowing that like no matter how bad it is like it's a quick transport um you know fucked up me i tried I try to do the best job that I can and just get him to the hospital.
00:50:28
Speaker
But it's still very nerve wracking. Dude, longest ride time for me was like 35 minutes. Yeah. Depending on what we were the county we were in. Yeah, we're like five minutes from our furthest hospital outside of the county.
00:50:41
Speaker
Here's how fucked up it was in the county. I didn't have a fear on what I was going into. Like I, we were a city department. So backup was close or you somebody was almost always going with you or you're riding doubles.
00:50:54
Speaker
It was a fear. Am I going to handle this call within some stupid ass policy? Am I going to get fired? Am I getting, cause I can't afford days off cause I don't get paid enough to take a day off without pay.
00:51:05
Speaker
Like it wasn't the fear of the job. It was the fear of the management. That's how fucked up, and that's not uncommon amongst police officers and police departments in this country, and that's fucked up. thats That's a side note, but you kind of got, you yeah you almost elaborated on the fear of the unknown.
00:51:20
Speaker
For me, it was never the fear of the unknown. It was the fear of, do I know enough to not get in trouble? I'm gonna survive. like that You have to go and never call as a cop, like I'm gonna survive. like It doesn't happen all the time, and that's unfortunate, but you you have to keep that mindset to to at least give yourself a chance.
00:51:38
Speaker
Um, but when you're scared of your management because you have kids at home and you have bills to pay and you can't afford a day or two without pay, like that's fucked up.
00:51:52
Speaker
And that, that really had to get me like, that's when I realized how much that was going into me handling calls. That's when I knew it was time to leave
Family Stability vs. Financial Gains
00:52:01
Speaker
the PD. Mac is struggling to transition from the bullshit.
00:52:05
Speaker
WS, baby. Well, it sounds like the transition, the the deciding factor in the transition was was made clear there. so like Solid example of like why you transitioned.
00:52:17
Speaker
Yeah. That's... I
00:52:23
Speaker
To our listeners, I want our listeners to know where we are actively attacking the ramble. So we're trying to loop everything back, baby. And that's what we're doing right now. All right.
00:52:33
Speaker
So nobody has a Rocky routine. What are some closing... but What are some closing... I mean, I don't. and so like um it's I don't know if anybody does. I mean, i would be curious to hear that. I think some people take really put... f like I think some people have to sit down and like actually...
00:52:50
Speaker
go through it like what like take all avenues of approach i think that i just don't think any of us in this group has that mentality yeah i'm not playing things out i'm methodically playing it out but i don't plan a b and c exits i plan one fucking path and that's the path you burn the boats you you arrive on shore and burn your boat yeah like i i I don't plan a fucking exit strategy. I plan the fucking direction.
00:53:16
Speaker
Okay. Closing thoughts on transition. we don't let's let's not ah Let's not lose this message. like Transition is hard, right? It's not going to kill you. It won't kill you.
00:53:27
Speaker
Do you typically come out of the other side stronger or wiser? Yes or no? For sure. Yeah. if you If you're open-minded enough to learn from every change, then yeah. I think you come out better.
00:53:39
Speaker
i don't think transition really ever, i think we fear it, but i don't think I've ever gone through a transition where six months passed and I'm like, oh, that was worse. Now I'm always in a better situation.
00:53:51
Speaker
It's all about your mindset and your planning because you get at people who never make it out alive because they just, they didn't plan for what comes after. You have to mentally prepare, at least have a rough outline of where you're looking to go.
00:54:06
Speaker
Because if you don't, you're not going to make it out alive. And ask some help. If you need help with the transition, ask for it. yeah Yeah. Sometimes you can't do it alone. You can't transition. It's hard. So you can't always do that shit alone.
00:54:19
Speaker
That's the biggest thing. Just ask. People will help you. We want to help you. Maybe not me specifically. Go to Brandon. Ask Brandon at 3 a.m.
00:54:29
Speaker
You guys have our emails. Brandon will be taking all open transition requests for the next six months. Here's a straw. Suck it up. man okay all right dr slamming will give you an education you've never heard before that's right all right all right guys any any other input we want to we want to put on transition before we we i think we should have like a two-parter like whether it's next episode or one of the future episodes just talking about
00:55:01
Speaker
Specifically, like, mental transition from, like, the military to civilian world. i i I agree with that. I think it's it's more than just transition.
00:55:12
Speaker
Yeah. I think we can do a two or three-parter on the mental health state of the military to civilian. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. ah can I do think it is quirky motherfucking closeout time. Yeah.
00:55:32
Speaker
Woohoo! Favorite fucking part of the show. Alright, we're going towards food. Get your mindset into food. Let's think chicken. Let's think spicy, sweet, right?
00:55:44
Speaker
Flats or drums. Flats or drums for your wings. Go. oh fuck. Flats all day. why I eat them all, bro. but Tyler, I expected ah your response because of our days at Hooters watching the fucking football games. Yeah, Flats, bro.
00:56:02
Speaker
but i mean I eat them all. eat them all. But at the same time, Hooters was fucking wild, though, bro. Because they still had the goddamn feathers on them and shit.
00:56:14
Speaker
They did. I was like, this is little too real. What were you eating at Hooters that still had feathers on it, buddy? Caleb, you don't want to know. You don't want to know. Jacksonville Hooters.
00:56:24
Speaker
Bro, me and Tyler hit, I mean, during during the football season, we were there every Sunday or Monday. And... and And Brandon came for a couple times. i think the Saints-Green Bay game, he he met us there. Yes, he did. yeah But legit, we found feathers more than once, and we went back.
00:56:41
Speaker
it's Yes. Well, it's Jacksonville. You just got to take some feathers sometimes. That's all it is. There was boobies, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. we know Dude, as a child, I refused to eat flats.
00:56:56
Speaker
i was like I was like, no, drums all day. As an adult, drums are for peasants. Flats are just supreme. after i After I became professional in getting my face messy in other aspects of my life, I became a flats man.
00:57:16
Speaker
ah okay Okay. You were no longer a Thighs fan? like you Oh, no. I like i love me Thighs. Prefer two of them on either side of the face. But...
00:57:27
Speaker
but All right, guys. this one's This one's been fun. It's been informational. It's been enlightening for our listeners. I think we we all shared a little bit of vulnerabilities here.
00:57:41
Speaker
um Kind of some struggles we had some pieces of our stories that others haven't heard yet. um So I want to thank you guys for for putting yourselves out there. um I want to thank you guys all for lifting each other up tonight, too. Right. That's what this is about is is supporting each other. So, Caleb, I have one more thing for you to bring up.
00:58:01
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What's up?
Engaging the Audience
00:58:02
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So we are looking for more positive feedback. If you can give us ah some kind of review on Spotify, ah Apple Music, leave us a comment.
00:58:15
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If you want to leave us an email, ah Caleb, can you tell them what that email is? It's goodmorninggentspd at gmail.com. Goodmorninggentspd.
00:58:29
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good morning je p Remember, there's there's there's two Gs in there. One at the end of good morning and at the beginning of gents. And that's all, really. So, yeah, please leave us a comment.
00:58:40
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Leave us a review. the The reviews will be big time in helping us get the show off the ground. So please just, ah you know, leave us some positive feedback. If you're enjoying the show, let us know.
00:58:51
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And, yeah, ask us ask us questions. We'd love to discuss what you guys have to have to. Please. We are not the smartest people in the world. We need help.
00:59:02
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You listeners have been boring so far. Challenge. Bunch of bitches. ah Challenge tossed. Bet you guys can't comment or ask questions. I know some of y'all are listening to this and talking to yourself amongst us. So whatever you're fucking saying, send it our way.
00:59:20
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They're sniveling listening to this in the car stuck in traffic. Like... I hope it's me. i I'll fucking get cut loose. ah You know what? If this is just an idea.
00:59:32
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If we don't get listener contribution by episode 10, we are going to create episode 10 to be a shit talking episode where we just trash you guys as listeners for an hour.
00:59:42
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Game. That seems kind of enticing. I would just be like, you know what? I'm going to hold out because I want to hear what they have to say. All right. That's just a joke. but All right, guys. yeah Damn, I was excited.
00:59:57
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We might do it. love our listeners. We love you. yeah Fuck you, Slammin'. All right. Love you guys. love god Later, guys.
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Jens. you