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Meghan & Harry Vs. The Royal Family (Bonus Episode!)
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What’s the story behind the departure of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex from the British Royal Family? Join Reaux, Lilith and Savannah as they dissect the explosive interview with Meghan Markle & Oprah and delve into the history of the British royals. FDS style.
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00:00 - History of the Royal Family.
04:20 - Harry goes off the rails. The Heir and the Spare.
06:50 - How did Meghan not google this guy and his family?
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Introduction: Meghan and Harry's Interview
00:00:06
Speaker
What's up, queens?
00:00:07
Speaker
Welcome to the Female Dating Strategy.
00:00:09
Speaker
I'm your host, Ro.
00:00:10
Speaker
I'm Susanna.
00:00:11
Speaker
And this is Lilith.
00:00:12
Speaker
And we have a great show.
00:00:14
Speaker
We're going to talk all things royal family, including that new interview with Meghan and Harry and Oprah that's garnering a lot of controversy right now in the British press, specifically from one Piers Morgan.
Understanding the Royal Family
00:00:28
Speaker
So from watching the interview with Meghan and Harry and Oprah, I mean, the one thing that kind of stuck out to me, like, first of all, she seemed really, really naive about the British royal family.
00:00:39
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And as an American, I have to admit, I don't know that much either.
00:00:44
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So I don't know if there's like more history there that you can go into.
00:00:49
Speaker
Yeah, so the resident FDS historian will now take over and give you a whistle-stop tour of the history of the royal family.
00:00:59
Speaker
Just to put the Meghan and Harry interview into more context, because it seems like a lot of the people who are watching that interview may not necessarily understand how the royal family works as an institution.
00:01:14
Speaker
So the royal family is essentially, like any royal family, is about self-preservation.
00:01:20
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You know, they are all about, you know, producing heirs and passing down their wealth titles and rules and customs down to the next generation so they can keep going.
00:01:30
Speaker
And so power remains with them.
00:01:32
Speaker
So in terms of the royal family, when it comes to marriage and relationships, they don't operate on the same, I guess they don't,
00:01:41
Speaker
subscribe to the same rules that we would do.
00:01:43
Speaker
So, for example, William and Harry, they have to get the Queen's permission, you know, when they want to marry somebody.
00:01:50
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So the Queen can actually veto, you know, their marriage if she deems that person unsuitable.
Diana and Charles: A Troubled Marriage
00:01:57
Speaker
This did actually happen back in the 1950s when the Queen's sister, Princess Margaret, wanted to marry Group Captain Peter Townsend.
00:02:07
Speaker
a group captain was a divorcee and his ex-wife was still alive.
00:02:12
Speaker
And at that time, people in the Church of England couldn't remarry if their spouse was still alive.
00:02:20
Speaker
So that...
00:02:21
Speaker
Yeah, so the Queen essentially told her sister no, and her sister had to marry somebody else.
00:02:26
Speaker
It was the same story with Charles.
00:02:28
Speaker
Now, as much as Charles satisfies many, he ticks many boxes on the low value scale.
00:02:35
Speaker
He initially wanted to marry Camilla in the 1970s.
00:02:39
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But at the time, Camilla was deemed unsuitable because it was common knowledge amongst the aristocracy that she was essentially not a virgin.
00:02:47
Speaker
Wait, wait, wait.
00:02:48
Speaker
So he couldn't marry her because she was publicly not a virgin?
00:02:52
Speaker
So she had the pedigree and everything was fine.
00:02:54
Speaker
Ooh.
00:02:56
Speaker
Yeah, so she'd had public boyfriends and it was basically common knowledge that she wasn't a virgin.
00:03:02
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So she wasn't deemed suitable.
00:03:03
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And fun fact, Charles actually dated Diana's older sister before he dated Diana.
00:03:09
Speaker
Oh, wow.
00:03:10
Speaker
Also, wasn't Prince Charles kind of a fuckboy?
00:03:12
Speaker
Like, he wasn't a virgin when he got married.
00:03:14
Speaker
Oh, 100%.
00:03:15
Speaker
He was in his 30s when, and he had a series of, you know, girlfriends, mistresses.
00:03:21
Speaker
He was actually dating Camilla under the table before he had to end that because she wouldn't, you know, she wouldn't make a suitable bride.
00:03:28
Speaker
So essentially Diana and Princess Diana walked into...
00:03:33
Speaker
a marriage where she wasn't really wanted by her partner because he was still pining after Camilla.
Harry's Public Scandals and Struggles
00:03:42
Speaker
So Charles wasn't a virgin.
00:03:45
Speaker
He was 32 when he married Diana.
00:03:47
Speaker
And Diana was primarily chosen because she had the right social standing.
00:03:53
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She was a lady and she was a virgin.
00:03:56
Speaker
That was quite a big deal at the time.
00:03:59
Speaker
So if we then fast forward to William and Harry's childhood, we see, you know, he went through the very public divorce of his parents.
00:04:11
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Charles and Camilla were recorded basically having...
00:04:16
Speaker
quite graphic phone text and it was splashed all over the papers.
00:04:20
Speaker
And then we see, you know, like Harry loses his mother in a very public and traumatic way.
00:04:26
Speaker
There was actually footage of, you know, him as, you know, at his mother's funeral, having to walk behind her coffin in front of millions of people.
00:04:34
Speaker
And he wasn't allowed to cry.
00:04:36
Speaker
Like that is one of the rules of the royal family is that you'll never see them cry in public.
00:04:43
Speaker
So it seems like, so it seems like Harry has been traumatised by the death of his mother.
00:04:48
Speaker
And if we look at his position, he was, you know, they referred to William and Harry in the papers at the time as the heir and the spare, which is quite, which, I mean, I'm not gonna, you know, bust out the violin for Harry as he's still a millionaire, but it's quite, you know, upsetting to know that you'll always be second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, you know, fiddle to your brother, depending on how many children he has.
00:05:11
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And Princess Diana always used to say that she, you know, she would always give Harry a bit more attention when they were boys because she said William will one day be king and he will have all the attention and adulation and adoration, you know, but Harry, you know, won't.
Meghan Markle: A New Chapter for Harry
00:05:29
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And we see this when he starts to become a young man, he sort of goes off the rails.
00:05:33
Speaker
So he was seen, you know, dressing up as a Nazi.
00:05:36
Speaker
Wait, what?
00:05:36
Speaker
Harry dressed up as a Nazi?
00:05:38
Speaker
What?
00:05:39
Speaker
Yeah, I was going to ask about that.
00:05:41
Speaker
And he was an American when he did that, wasn't he?
00:05:43
Speaker
Yeah, I think he went through a phase from 2002 to about 2008 where he just went off the rails.
00:05:49
Speaker
He called one of his... Because he served in the army.
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And he called another soldier a racial slur.
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He was caught doing strip poker in Vegas.
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He just did all the sorts of things that...
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Speaker
I guess, a wild child, so to speak, would do.
00:06:06
Speaker
And that's, I sort of understand that because he doesn't really have a place in the British Rory family, especially after, you know, William, you know, married Kate Middleton and they started having a family.
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Speaker
He was essentially, he was essentially made irrelevant by the arrival of his nieces and his nephews because it pushes him further and further down the line of succession.
00:06:27
Speaker
So we see Harry sort of having an existential crisis almost, and then comes along, you know, Meghan Markle.
00:06:35
Speaker
Now, from the interview, I 100% agree with Roe that she comes across as very naive about how the royal family works.
00:06:43
Speaker
Naive to the point where I struggled to believe at first that she didn't Google him at all.
00:06:48
Speaker
I was like, how do you not Google somebody in 2020 or whenever they got together, 2018?
00:06:54
Speaker
Do you know what I mean?
00:06:56
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I mean, and the thing is, he could have easily have been like Prince Naveen in Princess and the Frog, have no money.
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Like, you would just want to Google just to make sure that he is who he says he is.
00:07:05
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So, I mean...
00:07:07
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Well, she said they had mutual friends and those mutual friends vouched for him.
00:07:11
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I could see it being like, especially of the celebrity classes that they understand the tabloids, right?
00:07:17
Speaker
Nonsense all the time.
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So I would have believed her more if she said, oh, I did Google him, but I didn't believe any of these things or I didn't completely understand.
00:07:24
Speaker
Cause when she did say she didn't completely understand the firm or the job because there's not really, uh, there's, there's the British Royal families, public image.
00:07:32
Speaker
And then behind the scenes, which is not necessarily as publicly well-known, especially not to Americans.
00:07:37
Speaker
But I kind of felt like she would have at least Googled, you know, certain aspects of the royal family that she seemed to be somewhat naive about.
00:07:46
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And even if she didn't, I feel like Harry had a responsibility to clue her in because Harry has actually lost girlfriends.
00:07:55
Speaker
Like he was with a woman called Chelsea Davy for about seven years.
00:07:59
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She ended up leaving him because she couldn't handle being royal or the...
00:08:04
Speaker
the potential of being royal.
00:08:07
Speaker
She was like, nah, I'm out.
00:08:08
Speaker
Like, because it's a very, very restrictive life.
00:08:11
Speaker
It's not like Disney.
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Speaker
You can't even go and see your parents.
00:08:14
Speaker
If you marry into them, you can't even go and see your parents when you want.
00:08:18
Speaker
They have to, it has to all be, you know, pre-planned, pre-arranged, pre-authorised.
00:08:25
Speaker
You don't really have a say in what clothes you wear or how you present yourself.
00:08:30
Speaker
Well, she did mention, or Megan did mention about wanting to go to the hospital or just wanting to just leave to go somewhere and it being a huge ordeal.
00:08:37
Speaker
You can't just leave the royal family to go to the grocery store or something like that.
00:08:42
Speaker
It's a massive undertaking every time, a massive undertaking and public PR job every time you're in the public.
00:08:49
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So I don't know to the extent that she was aware of that is, I think, what
Navigating Royal Protocols: Meghan's Challenges
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she was trying to say.
00:08:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:08:54
Speaker
And yeah, and Harry should have clued her in because she even said that she didn't really know that she was supposed to curtsy or how to curtsy.
00:09:01
Speaker
And then Harry had to teach her minutes before meeting the queen.
00:09:05
Speaker
The thing is, as American, I think we don't necessarily take the royal monarchy seriously, especially since obviously we broke off 250 years ago because we were like, fuck your figgy pudding ass monarchy.
00:09:15
Speaker
So she probably didn't think all the formalities were like real.
00:09:20
Speaker
You know what I'm saying?
00:09:21
Speaker
Like there's the formalities in public and then there's the people.
00:09:24
Speaker
So she might have thought it was is more or less the same as being a Hollywood person where you call the paparazzi to do certain PR jobs.
00:09:30
Speaker
But like behind the scenes are just regular people.
00:09:32
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But I guess no, everything is curated.
00:09:35
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Their entire life is curated to present an image.
00:09:38
Speaker
I remember watching the news while I was in the gym, just like on the TV, there was a whole news story about her closing the door.
00:09:48
Speaker
Like that was a whole drama where she closed her own car door.
00:09:52
Speaker
And apparently this is bad because, you know, when you're a royal, you have a servant close the door for you.
00:09:57
Speaker
And so the fact that she just got out of the car and slammed the door shut on her own was like...
00:10:02
Speaker
a controversy.
00:10:02
Speaker
I remember thinking to myself, like, what the fuck?
00:10:04
Speaker
Who cares?
00:10:05
Speaker
Why?
00:10:06
Speaker
Why is this still a rule in 2020?
00:10:09
Speaker
And, you know, there was a huge, like, you know, when there's a royal baby, literally hours after the birth, Kate Middleton is all, you know, made up, hair done, and she's holding the baby on the steps, even though she's, she's literally had her vagina ripped apart by
00:10:24
Speaker
you know, labour and delivery.
00:10:26
Speaker
I remember that it was a massive, massive deal when Harry and Meghan just refused to do that.
00:10:32
Speaker
They didn't want to be in front of the cameras straight after giving birth.
00:10:37
Speaker
I think they even, I guess, misled the press about when she was having the baby.
00:10:43
Speaker
That was a massive, massive deal because the royal family are seen as...
00:10:48
Speaker
as belonging to the people they're not seen as their own individuals yeah um and i think that megan wants she clearly wants to be influential but the problem is she chose a family where you have maybe the visibility but you don't have the freedom to be influential in the way that you want to be so giving interviews to oprah when she was
00:11:10
Speaker
in the firm, as they call it, was off the table.
00:11:12
Speaker
They carefully control your image, even the engagements that you go to, even the way you walk, the way you wave is very, very curated.
00:11:22
Speaker
You can't just be like waving,
00:11:25
Speaker
anyhow, you have to wave in a certain way.
00:11:27
Speaker
So she claimed too that there was no royal family training either when she came in.
00:11:33
Speaker
She was saying that nobody taught her how to do anything.
00:11:36
Speaker
Now, the British press dug up some old articles where allegedly there was like a person in charge of giving Meghan royal training.
00:11:43
Speaker
So again, what's fact and what's fiction on here?
00:11:45
Speaker
Maybe they gave her very cursory stuff and then she felt like it wasn't adequate enough.
00:11:49
Speaker
But yeah, she was saying about
00:11:51
Speaker
how she didn't know how she was supposed to sit.
00:11:53
Speaker
And that was one of her first public outings with the queen and she was sitting next to the queen and people were criticizing the way she sat.
00:11:59
Speaker
If you don't grow up in the culture and America is sort of famously informal, I don't know that we have...
00:12:06
Speaker
I mean, a stiff handshake is probably the extent of our formalities, even with our president.
00:12:12
Speaker
I mean, especially with someone like Trump, for example, we don't really have a, I want to say, do we have like a genteel class or something like that, I guess is the way to describe it.
00:12:21
Speaker
I don't think that we do.
00:12:23
Speaker
I think you do, but they just sort of don't get... They're not interesting enough to show up in the media most of the time.
00:12:29
Speaker
There's the old money Americans, you know, the wasps and stuff.
00:12:33
Speaker
But see, our millionaires and our billionaires always dress down.
00:12:37
Speaker
That's kind of actually what they're famous for.
00:12:38
Speaker
Some of the old money people...
00:12:40
Speaker
They always dress, you know, in flannel shirts.
00:12:43
Speaker
Steve Jobs was famous for his black turtleneck.
00:12:46
Speaker
You wouldn't necessarily know who's very, very wealthy by looking at them.
00:12:50
Speaker
And in fact, it's actually kind of funny because the lower you are on the economic line in the United States, the more conspicuous consumption is appealing versus like the very wealthy people go out of their way to not be conspicuously consumptive, except for their kids who like to snunt on the gram, but like the old, like the old, old money people, right?
00:13:08
Speaker
They don't really...
00:13:10
Speaker
It's the difference between the Hiltons and then Paris Hilton, right?
00:13:12
Speaker
Paris Hilton was kind of famous for being decadent and flaunting her wealth all the time.
00:13:16
Speaker
But the Hiltons behind the scenes were very subdued and they didn't like the fact that Paris was doing that.
00:13:22
Speaker
So, you know, it's going, you know, back to the interview.
00:13:25
Speaker
So, and I'm not really surprised that,
Royal Family Dynamics and Public Perception
00:13:29
Speaker
you know, Meghan felt she was so unprepared for it because they announced their engagement in November 2017.
00:13:35
Speaker
They were married by May 2018.
00:13:36
Speaker
So,
00:13:38
Speaker
So that's probably about six, seven months to, and it's not even just a royal life.
00:13:44
Speaker
It's, you know, moving to another country.
00:13:46
Speaker
Basically, I guess she shut down all her social media accounts.
00:13:51
Speaker
She came to a different country, had to start the citizenship process, which, by the way, the British citizenship process is not an easy one.
00:13:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:14:00
Speaker
And also, you know, try to navigate her way through this institution.
00:14:03
Speaker
So I'm not really surprised that she found herself, you know, very, very woefully underprepared.
00:14:09
Speaker
And then she became pregnant very, very quickly as well.
00:14:12
Speaker
By the autumn of that year, or the fall, as Americans say, she was pregnant with her first child.
00:14:19
Speaker
So the thing about that too is I feel like the media was trying to spin the narrative that Meghan had manipulated Harry into all this and like in that short timeline.
00:14:28
Speaker
But it definitely seems like it was mutual, like he needed an escape route.
00:14:32
Speaker
And then furthermore, he probably wanted to get her on board before she really realized what she was getting into.
00:14:37
Speaker
Yeah, you know, I completely agree.
00:14:39
Speaker
And Harry has always had a very difficult relationship with
00:14:44
Speaker
um, I guess the royal family, especially after his mum passed away.
00:14:49
Speaker
Um, I, you know, his, his relationship with his brother, like him and William used to be really, really close.
00:14:55
Speaker
Um, even after William married Kate, they used to share a household.
00:14:59
Speaker
So a royal household is like, you share basically like the same like servants and, and whatnot.
00:15:05
Speaker
They had the same, I think Harry even lived with them for some time.
00:15:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:15:09
Speaker
Um, that relationship was clearly broken down.
00:15:12
Speaker
How funny was that pap stroll from William the next day after the interview?
00:15:16
Speaker
Whose moms did they find in like the full African dress and long box braids?
00:15:22
Speaker
And he's like, I'm not a racist.
00:15:23
Speaker
And I'm like, where did you find this woman?
00:15:28
Speaker
here's the thing with william and kate right this is something i've noticed when they like want to do something that is controversial like going on holiday for a month or after this you know when megan said actually kate was the one who made me cry not the other way around they do this massive publicity tour and it's so because like we've literally not seen them in public for about a year then all of a sudden they're they're posing for pictures of black people like you can tell they're they're
00:15:56
Speaker
You can call that Doc-issued black people
00:16:01
Speaker
machine is literally like you know must prove not racist but i'm like who was the woman who is she did they just snatch her off the street like hey do you want to help us take a picture here like someone come grab their auntie because and it's also disingenuous because you can literally see them in um a non-western country where they are you know sitting on thrones that are being held up by black people right and so
00:16:27
Speaker
These images don't compute.
00:16:29
Speaker
Like you're saying we're not racist, but it's like.
00:16:33
Speaker
There is a tweet where they said, how are you going to be responsible for 65 worldwide independence days and then be like, we're not racist.
00:16:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:16:43
Speaker
I mean, including ours over here in the States.
00:16:47
Speaker
And, you know, you know, William says his family's not racist, but Prince Philip has been known to say some very, very racist stuff, but everybody just laughs off as, oh, dear old Philip again.
00:16:59
Speaker
But he said some really, really offensive stuff about, you know, Chinese people, but people just laugh it off.
00:17:07
Speaker
But
00:17:07
Speaker
but it's not funny.
00:17:08
Speaker
I did watch like the season one of The Crown and there's the one scene where she's on tour or whatever in some African country and she says the speech, I don't know what it is, but there's just the line of like, oh, these savages, oh no, what's all protection?
00:17:23
Speaker
Or whatever.
00:17:23
Speaker
And it was just like so fucking painful to listen to.
00:17:27
Speaker
Did not age well.
00:17:29
Speaker
You know, he said to a group of British students during a trip to China, if you stay here much longer, you'll all be slitty-eyed and everyone laughed.
00:17:38
Speaker
Wow.
00:17:39
Speaker
I'm not, like, he's just said so, you know, when, you know, William's like, my family's not racist.
00:17:44
Speaker
I'm just like, sure, pal.
00:17:46
Speaker
Yeah, they're like, oh, it's just just a racist old grandpa.
00:17:49
Speaker
Like, you know, crazy old Philip.
00:17:51
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You don't have to listen to him.
00:17:52
Speaker
Whatever.
00:17:52
Speaker
Like he's set in his ways.
00:17:53
Speaker
And it seemed like they were concerned about the baby's skin color, too.
00:17:57
Speaker
Since they're all optics, they probably had to be completely panicking that the child might come out brown.
00:18:03
Speaker
Right.
00:18:03
Speaker
Between Meghan and Harry.
00:18:05
Speaker
So who do you think said the comment?
00:18:08
Speaker
It's probably all of them, to be honest with you.
00:18:10
Speaker
I don't even believe it was one person.
00:18:12
Speaker
I mean, Harry's kind of, he's kind of narrowed down the suspect.
00:18:15
Speaker
So it's not the Queen or Philip.
00:18:18
Speaker
I mean, I can kind of believe it might be Philip, actually, based on what he said.
00:18:22
Speaker
But
Media Pressure: Meghan vs. the Press
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the general, like, feeling in the UK, at least amongst my friends, is that it's William.
00:18:30
Speaker
What?
00:18:30
Speaker
It was
00:18:34
Speaker
Yeah, that's why he came out with someone's mom the next day.
00:18:37
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He found his government-issued black person to do the pap show with.
00:18:41
Speaker
And he said it so unconvincingly.
00:18:43
Speaker
The reporter asked him, you know, he was like, oh, my family's not racist.
00:18:47
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Just casually, just walking.
00:18:49
Speaker
So, but yeah, I think, you know, with Meghan, I, I just can't, I think the sticking point for me with her is that if she truly went into this completely blind, like that is gross negligence to yourself.
00:19:04
Speaker
But then she also said that her British friends, you know, warned her about the press.
00:19:09
Speaker
They said, Harry's great, but the press will destroy you.
00:19:13
Speaker
And she just didn't listen.
00:19:14
Speaker
I think the British press is different conceptually than the press in the United States.
00:19:18
Speaker
The press in the United States, the paparazzi, they do hound celebrities, but there's so many what we would call flyover states where the paparazzi doesn't exist.
00:19:26
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So if you don't live in like New York or LA, they're pretty much not going to bother you because they tend to congregate in places where there's high celebrity traffic.
00:19:36
Speaker
So...
00:19:36
Speaker
A lot of times the relationship with the paparazzi and our celebrities is mutual, like celebrities do what we call papstrolls.
00:19:44
Speaker
They call the paparazzi to take pictures of them, quote unquote, casually doing things, right?
00:19:48
Speaker
Especially if they're trying to create a PR relationship for a big upcoming movie or something like that.
00:19:54
Speaker
So...
00:19:57
Speaker
The press used to be really, really nasty to like Britney Spears and Britney got the worst of it.
00:20:02
Speaker
And maybe that is more in line with how the British press operates now.
00:20:09
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But now, I mean, I don't know how it is from pre-internet versus post-internet, but I know like right when the internet and social media was taking off, Britney was hounded 24-7 all the time.
00:20:20
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Everything she did was front page news and she was having a literal mental and emotional breakdown.
00:20:26
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I kind of imagine that's what Megan was going through.
00:20:29
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And perhaps when she started talking about like being suicidal and having suicidal ideation, that she was probably getting what Americans would conceptualize as the Britney Spears treatment, which I think after Britney Spears breakdown, you saw a lot of people.
00:20:43
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We saw a lot of the paparazzi back off because.
00:20:47
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It started actually to make the American public upset to see paparazzi going to crash scenes and trying to get... You know, when Kobe Bryant died, there was paparazzi there trying to get pictures of his body.
00:20:58
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And the family hadn't even been notified yet.
00:21:01
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So the American public hasn't...
00:21:03
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now developed a distaste for angry, aggressive paparazzi.
00:21:07
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So they've sort of backed off of celebrities and now it's a little bit more mutually beneficial.
00:21:11
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But I think for our American listeners that don't understand the British press, just think like the Britney era paparazzi.
00:21:17
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Yeah.
00:21:19
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If we look at how Harry's mother died as well, she was pursued by paparazzi.
00:21:24
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So there's just been that whole distrust of the press, I think, from Harry towards the paparazzi.
00:21:31
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They actually issued a formal apology, I think, in the early 2000s for basically pursuing her to death, essentially.
00:21:39
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I'm surprised there wasn't like a change in the British press after that.
00:21:42
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I mean, that was such a just such a massive tragedy.
00:21:45
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I don't know.
00:21:46
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How did the British take it afterwards?
00:21:47
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Were they just right back on the same media bullshit right after that death?
00:21:51
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Yeah, Diana was was very I mean, she was very, very mourned.
00:21:56
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But, you know, as usual, the you know, the press were soon back on form.
00:22:01
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And, you know, the Royal family carefully manage their relationships with the press as well.
00:22:07
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So they tend to not respond to press intrusion until it gets really, really bad.
00:22:15
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And then they'll strike deals with them.
00:22:17
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So I remember when...
00:22:19
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like, Charles went on holiday with William and Harry.
00:22:21
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And because the press were going to pursue them anyway, I think they went for, like, two weeks or something, he said, okay, you can take photos for the first five days and then you have to leave us alone.
00:22:30
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So they'll strike deals like that.
00:22:33
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Just because, you know, that was...
00:22:36
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That was a scandal, actually, when William and Kate got married and she was sunbathing topless on their honeymoon in a French paparazzo.
00:22:47
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Essentially, you know, can you imagine to get a picture of her topless?
00:22:54
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and published it in the French magazines.
00:22:57
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And the Roy family were furious about it, but there wasn't really much they could do there because it was published in France.
00:23:04
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But British newspapers refused to publish the photo.
00:23:07
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So they have a very precarious relationship, I would say, with the press.
00:23:12
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But again, Meghan wasn't to know the dynamics.
00:23:15
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And...
00:23:16
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You know, I will admit in the beginning, you know, Meghan was quite well received by majority of the press.
00:23:21
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She was seen as a breath of fresh air, the first, you know, biracial, like royal, essentially.
Managing Royal Image and Public Threats
00:23:28
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You know, their wedding was really nice.
00:23:30
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It was nice to watch.
00:23:31
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They had a very different wedding.
00:23:33
Speaker
The wedding was interesting, too, because...
00:23:35
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Yeah, they had a Black American preacher do, was it the officiation, actually?
00:23:40
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So I remember that being very jarring to see this old, old, old institution and then see a dose of Southern American baptism put in there.
00:23:51
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Yeah, and I remember when he was ranting about, I think, basically racism and colonialism, and the Queen and the Roe family were just sitting there like...
00:24:04
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He just didn't care.
00:24:05
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He did not care.
00:24:06
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Like, he was just speaking his truth.
00:24:09
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When else was he going to get that opportunity?
00:24:10
Speaker
I mean, but that's America, right?
00:24:11
Speaker
It was also like when Donald Trump, when he came to visit and he walked in front of the Queen, the press had a meltdown because nobody walks in front of the Queen in this country.
00:24:19
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She is the first person.
00:24:20
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But Donald Trump clearly didn't care.
00:24:23
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Like, he left this old lady in the dust.
00:24:26
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Again, we do not respect your T-incrumpet ass, Mark.
00:24:32
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America.
00:24:38
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I shouldn't maybe celebrate that.
00:24:39
Speaker
We do have a reputation abroad of being like very disrespectful of people's customs, which is not a great thing.
00:24:44
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But sometimes when you just see these very rich, wealthy, like uptight people, it's actually kind of funny to see Americans just kind of trample all over whatever they're doing.
00:24:53
Speaker
So, you know, when, you know, Meghan and Harry were saying that, you know, she was getting too popular and they were threatened by that, it kind of took me back to the days of Princess Diana where, you know, my
00:25:04
Speaker
When Charles, when they would go out on joint engagements, people would be like, we want to see Diana to Charles.
00:25:10
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So basically we don't want to see you.
00:25:13
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And technically he was, as Prince of Wales, he was in order of precedence.
00:25:18
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He came first, but not to the people.
00:25:20
Speaker
And similarly, like, you know, when Meghan went out with the Queen, I remember a woman in the crowd was like, to the Queen, can you give these flowers to Meghan?
00:25:30
Speaker
Oh no.
00:25:30
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I was like, you don't say that.
00:25:31
Speaker
You don't say that.
00:25:33
Speaker
that was the beginning of the problem then that right there that was the beginning of the end oh my god the royals they don't like to be uh they don't like to be overshadowed yeah they don't like to be upstaged like there was that one speech that charles had i think we made fun of it on fds where he said like oh i should have had two wives and basically just like complaining that like his wife is more popular than him and it's like oh cry you fucking river charles like get over it
00:25:58
Speaker
So for the American audience, Princess Diana is Beyonce and Prince Charles is Jay-Z.
00:26:04
Speaker
Yeah, I guess he's there, but...
00:26:06
Speaker
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
00:26:08
Speaker
Like, we came to see Beyonce, okay?
00:26:10
Speaker
Let's keep it a buck.
00:26:11
Speaker
We came to this joint concert to see Beyonce and... And, you know, it's almost like, even when... It's just like, you know, Beyonce getting dropped from her record label, but people still showing up to Jay-Z's concerts chanting Beyonce.
00:26:24
Speaker
Like, even when Diana was, you know, stripped of her titles, people still...
00:26:31
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I guess incorrectly called her Princess Diana because she's not a princess in her own right.
00:26:35
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But she's even now like Camilla, she's technically Princess of Wales, but she dares not use that title.
00:26:42
Speaker
She calls herself Duchess of Cornwall because the Princess of Wales title is very much still associated with Diana, even though she's been dead for the past 27, 20, 25 years.
00:26:55
Speaker
You know, it's such a strong association between... And I'm not sure if anyone will ever hold the Princess of Wales title again after Diana, to be honest, because people just associate that title with her now.
00:27:07
Speaker
And what's the significance of the titles, too?
00:27:09
Speaker
Because I know she was... Megan was upset about Archie not being given...
00:27:15
Speaker
a title, which you said was essentially his birthright.
00:27:18
Speaker
So this part of the interview, I have to dig into my royal history knowledge here.
00:27:24
Speaker
It sort of exposed Meghan's naivety.
00:27:27
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So the reason why Archie didn't get a title was due to a letters patent, which is basically a law made by the monarch without passing through Parliament.
00:27:38
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So basically, if they want to do something, they can just write letters patent and it shall be done sort of thing.
00:27:44
Speaker
So in 1917, during the First World War, the British royal family basically wanted to save money.
00:27:51
Speaker
So they did that by limiting, you know, who could be, you know, Her Royal Highness, Prince or Princess of the United Kingdom.
00:28:01
Speaker
So they don't have to pay for so many people, because if you're HRH, you are entitled to, I think, an allowance and security.
00:28:09
Speaker
So they limited it to the children of the monarch and the grandchildren of a monarch.
00:28:14
Speaker
In actual fact, Archie wouldn't have been entitled to the title of prince until Charles became king.
00:28:23
Speaker
The Queen could change that if she wanted to, but I mean, that's a separate issue if she was actually going to.
00:28:31
Speaker
But yeah, that was essentially the reason why he wasn't automatically afforded the title of prince.
00:28:37
Speaker
But didn't she change it for some other kids or something?
00:28:40
Speaker
Yeah, she changed it for William's children.
00:28:42
Speaker
So she can.
00:28:44
Speaker
So she can change it.
00:28:45
Speaker
But the way Megan was talking in the interview, she was making out that he was automatically entitled to it and they just didn't give it to him, which wasn't quite the case.
00:28:54
Speaker
But again, Harry should have clued her up on all this.
00:28:56
Speaker
Harry knows this or should know this.
00:28:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:58
Speaker
I think he wanted out, and I think he was just kind of using her.
00:29:02
Speaker
See, so this actually, I think, gives it so much more color because, like, my initial reaction to the interview was more or less, Megan was talking about something that was happening in the royal family, and it just seemed like...
00:29:16
Speaker
she was completely out there by herself.
00:29:18
Speaker
And it also just seemed like she, she was clearly insulted by a lot of things that
Media Narratives and Royal Departure
00:29:23
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the Royal family did.
00:29:23
Speaker
And it doesn't seem like Harry assuaged her that much.
00:29:27
Speaker
It seems like he kind of egged her on.
00:29:29
Speaker
And then when they made their Megxit, it was like, yes, I'm out.
00:29:33
Speaker
Right.
00:29:33
Speaker
So they, he finally had an out in Megan.
00:29:35
Speaker
And so he just sort of, it's almost seems like he was amplifying her stress about the whole situation.
00:29:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:40
Speaker
Yeah, definitely.
00:29:41
Speaker
And it feels like Harry is sort of, I don't want to say using Meghan, but he's sort of, you know, I think even though he's broken away from the family, as, you know, someone born into that, he still feels constrained by the rules and customs that you don't publicly badmouth him.
00:29:59
Speaker
you know you know basically other members of the family but megan because she doesn't come from that background she's clearly more comfortable doing that so he's happy for her to be the mouthpiece and essentially bear her soul and because it was very telling at the end when he was like oh she saved me and i was like yikes
00:30:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:20
Speaker
That sounds very like codependent.
00:30:23
Speaker
And then she's like, oh no, he saved our family.
00:30:25
Speaker
And I was like, oh God.
00:30:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:27
Speaker
So we've seen the memes on, on like people keep posting them on the subreddit.
00:30:31
Speaker
They're just saying, oh, well, you know, if you're, if your man won't leave his, you know, his monarchy or his title for you, then he doesn't really love you.
00:30:37
Speaker
But I'm like, it seems like that was more a hairy desire that he used Megan to amplify a reason to leave.
00:30:44
Speaker
Then he was doing this out of some valiant protection.
00:30:48
Speaker
I mean, he might have,
00:30:49
Speaker
It could be both.
00:30:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:50
Speaker
It's probably a little bit of both, but it was probably definitely like he wanted to peace out.
00:30:54
Speaker
He sees this woman.
00:30:55
Speaker
She's obviously beautiful and accomplished, reminds him a lot of his mother and has her own money.
00:31:00
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Isn't, you know, like a dependent or anything like that.
00:31:02
Speaker
And he sees an out.
00:31:05
Speaker
And now he's like, do you know they're talking about a baby skin color?
00:31:09
Speaker
You know, and like she, you know, maybe she...
00:31:13
Speaker
I can just see him being a gossipy, oh my God, you know, like really playing it up.
00:31:19
Speaker
She just seems so insulted by everything.
00:31:20
Speaker
Like she was just shocked at everything.
00:31:22
Speaker
And Harry didn't really seem like he was talking down her concerns about it at all in the way that you've now explained to us.
00:31:29
Speaker
Right.
00:31:29
Speaker
Especially since she got all of all of her information from him.
00:31:33
Speaker
And even still, like, you know, the letters painted 1917 is just a quick Google away.
00:31:38
Speaker
But I honestly think, like you said, Meghan was like, aren't she going to get a title?
00:31:42
Speaker
And then Harry was like, wow, really?
00:31:46
Speaker
Just looking shocked Pikachu face.
00:31:48
Speaker
Knowing full well that, you know, the reason why some of his cousins don't have titles either.
00:31:54
Speaker
You know, that's the reason why some of his cousins don't have titles.
00:31:57
Speaker
So this makes me feel bad for Meghan too, because it seems, yeah, he's letting her take...
00:32:01
Speaker
Well, again, the way the British press and the press was spinning is like she's like this evil succubus and has no respect for the monarchy.
00:32:09
Speaker
And it doesn't seem like it seems like she she's like a lot of people which they go to an institution and they're very idealistic and they think I'm going to, you know, you can use me to be the bridge to the future.
00:32:19
Speaker
And she finds out that the old guard and, you know.
00:32:23
Speaker
This is the way we do things.
00:32:24
Speaker
Here's all this red tape.
00:32:26
Speaker
This is how things are always done.
00:32:27
Speaker
You'll find similar things like that in America, especially in our government and, you know, certain court, like longstanding corporations that there's just an entrenched old guard that has a visceral negative reaction to anything new.
00:32:42
Speaker
And, you know, Harry, not really cluing her on the politics, just amplified her sense of being attacked by,
00:32:51
Speaker
Right?
00:32:51
Speaker
Yeah, I agree.
00:32:52
Speaker
And also, like, Meghan's problem is she was too far down the pecking order to really make a difference.
00:32:59
Speaker
She was in the order of precedence.
00:33:02
Speaker
She would be behind Princess Charlotte and Prince, you know, Louis, who are, what, three and five?
00:33:08
Speaker
Like, that, again, that's going to do something to your psyche when, you know, you know, you're... And, you know, the more kids, you know, William and Kate, you know, pop out, the less important you get.
00:33:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:19
Speaker
So, you know, she was really, really far down.
00:33:22
Speaker
I don't know how Americans, you know, see it, but they saw it as she's marrying a prince.
00:33:27
Speaker
She's going to be a princess.
00:33:29
Speaker
And it wasn't like that at all.
00:33:31
Speaker
I got to be honest, like, I don't understand anything about British royal family titles except for the like, obviously, king and queen in the first line of succession.
00:33:38
Speaker
And I think that's probably most Americans because we don't learn anything about...
00:33:42
Speaker
Again, like most former colonies, only thing we learned about the British is more or less that we broke away from them and they sucked
Communication and Conflict in the Royal Family
00:33:49
Speaker
and we dumped all their shitty ass tea in a harbor once.
00:33:55
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Red coat wearing in a guerrilla war type people.
00:33:58
Speaker
I mean, I mean, I mean, but Meghan isn't even a princess in her own right.
00:34:03
Speaker
She can't even if she is to use the title of princess, it would be like Princess Henry, which is Harry's full name.
00:34:10
Speaker
She can't.
00:34:10
Speaker
She's not Princess Meghan.
00:34:12
Speaker
So I didn't even know his name was Henry.
00:34:15
Speaker
Learning new things every day.
00:34:17
Speaker
No clue.
00:34:17
Speaker
Normally a nickname is meant to be shorter than your actual name, but it's not.
00:34:23
Speaker
But yeah, he's Prince Henry.
00:34:24
Speaker
I didn't even know.
00:34:25
Speaker
I didn't even know their last name was Windsor till recently.
00:34:28
Speaker
I was like, oh, is that where Windsor tie comes from?
00:34:31
Speaker
A Windsor knot.
00:34:34
Speaker
It's actually Mountbatten, Windsor, because Philip complained that he would be the only man in the country who wouldn't be able to pass down his name to his children.
00:34:43
Speaker
So it's...
00:34:44
Speaker
unofficially, officially Mountbatten-Window.
00:34:47
Speaker
Oh, so they changed their last name because of his fragile masculinity.
00:34:51
Speaker
Okay.
00:34:52
Speaker
I feel like you'd have to take a full course of...
00:34:56
Speaker
history to learn this specifically because it just seems so so so complicated and and i have um i have had uh friends who are immigrants who tried to learn the american political system and it seems decidedly more straightforward than some of the british monarchy stuff and uh meaning like our ours is more logically arranged where it seems like the british monarchy sort of is it i don't know i don't know if i'd say the american system is more logical like just my opinion but yeah
00:35:27
Speaker
Well, like, I guess if you look at it in the idea of, okay, they didn't want to live in a monarchy anymore, and we create all these states, and how do you govern a bunch of states?
00:35:36
Speaker
Well, we have three branches of government, legislative, executive, and judicial.
00:35:41
Speaker
And then we have the Congress, which represents the states, you know, both based on population.
00:35:46
Speaker
Girl, I know all this stuff, okay?
00:35:47
Speaker
But still, like...
00:35:50
Speaker
But is it less complicated than the British system?
00:35:53
Speaker
Probably, yeah.
00:35:54
Speaker
Like, all the nobility, monarchy, all that stuff.
00:35:58
Speaker
I don't know.
00:35:58
Speaker
I'm, like, so, like, I'm so beyond that.
00:36:01
Speaker
Like, I don't know.
00:36:02
Speaker
Like, you know, Queen Elizabeth is still technically the head of state in Canada, and, like, no one gives a shit about her, okay?
00:36:09
Speaker
Like, it's just...
00:36:10
Speaker
We see a picture of her at the front of all of our boats, and that's it.
00:36:15
Speaker
Okay, that's the only time I have to think about Queen Elizabeth is when I take a ferry, okay?
00:36:20
Speaker
So that is the background.
00:36:22
Speaker
And I know people who have worked for the royals in their households.
00:36:28
Speaker
And they often say that when they fall out, like clearly William and Harry have, they just don't talk to each
Critique of the Royal Institution
00:36:34
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other.
00:36:34
Speaker
They talk through their representatives who then twist stuff around and then it just adds to the drama.
00:36:40
Speaker
They literally just cut each other off and just don't speak.
00:36:44
Speaker
I mean, a lot of people have dysfunctional families.
00:36:47
Speaker
You just amplify it with money and power and yeah.
00:36:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:51
Speaker
And publicity as well.
00:36:52
Speaker
I thought the Oprah... Publicity, yeah.
00:36:55
Speaker
But yeah, I think, you know, and especially on the subreddit when people are like, Harry and Meghan, high value couple.
00:37:02
Speaker
I just think they're not playing by the same rules as we do because they can't, you know?
00:37:08
Speaker
And I think...
00:37:09
Speaker
Everyone just sees Harry as a prince.
00:37:11
Speaker
It would be fantastic, like Disney, but it's really not.
00:37:15
Speaker
Like, the royal family, I think overall, let's, if we, you know, I think they're a low-value institution, if you look at them as a whole.
00:37:23
Speaker
Like, you know, they've got the... Hey, hey, hey, this little country with 50 states agrees.
00:37:29
Speaker
I mean, if you look at it, the fact that they've gained their wealth through exploiting the non-West, that they essentially prioritise males over...
00:37:40
Speaker
The fact that you can't get married unless you're a freaking virgin.
00:37:44
Speaker
Like, what is that?
00:37:47
Speaker
Yeah, that's crazy.
00:37:47
Speaker
But only the women, yeah.
00:37:48
Speaker
I think they have gotten rid of that now.
00:37:50
Speaker
But Diana was the last one.
00:37:52
Speaker
But I think she had to have, like, an exam to prove that she was a virgin.
00:37:56
Speaker
Something crazy like that.
00:37:58
Speaker
Ooh, that's barbaric.
00:38:00
Speaker
And yeah, and the fact that it's normal for the Prince of Wales, you know, to have a mistress.
00:38:05
Speaker
So Charles having a mistress was not actually... And it was really weird because his... One of his ancestors, Edward...
00:38:14
Speaker
the seventh, I think.
00:38:16
Speaker
His mistress was Camilla's ancestor.
00:38:20
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:38:21
Speaker
Yeah, I read that.
00:38:22
Speaker
So they actually...
00:38:27
Speaker
But it's normal.
00:38:28
Speaker
And, you know, it's a thronesy in here.
00:38:30
Speaker
Exactly.
00:38:32
Speaker
So it's a very and they're not playing by the same rules.
00:38:35
Speaker
And I think it needs a lot of context.
00:38:37
Speaker
So when, you know, women say Harry and Meghan, he gave up.
00:38:40
Speaker
Like you said, I think Harry wanted him out and Meghan kind of pushed him out the door.
Piers Morgan and Media Criticism
00:38:46
Speaker
Yeah, because he's he's he's kind of letting her take a big portion of the blame for him leaving.
00:38:52
Speaker
And I'm a little bit scared that if they get divorced, he's going to fully throw her under the bus now.
00:38:56
Speaker
Yeah, agreed, agreed.
00:38:59
Speaker
So it's not always... We got your back, Megan.
00:39:01
Speaker
Don't worry about it.
00:39:04
Speaker
But, I mean, speaking of Meghan and her treatment by the press, there is one, like, you know, monumental, as we say on FDS, scrote in all this, and that is Piers Morgan.
00:39:16
Speaker
Right.
00:39:16
Speaker
You know, Piers Morgan is a British broadcaster who has publicly, consistently attacked Meghan pretty much ever since she's joined the royal family.
00:39:28
Speaker
And this is, by his own admission...
00:39:31
Speaker
because they went out together for drinks in London just before she met Harry, and she never texted him back.
00:39:39
Speaker
And he's clearly so wounded that any opportunity to attack her, he will take it.
00:39:45
Speaker
The final straw that broke the camel's back was when he said on Good Morning Britain, which is a news show in the UK, that he basically thought she was making up being suicidal.
00:40:01
Speaker
And the reason why that was, it wasn't because of what he said was so egregious.
00:40:05
Speaker
It was because the broadcaster ITV were running an anti-suicide campaign at the time.
00:40:12
Speaker
And that was what finally pushed him out the door.
00:40:13
Speaker
But he still stands by everything that he said, that he doesn't believe her, that he sees her as, you know, tarnishing the poor queen.
00:40:21
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Think of poor Philip in hospital.
00:40:23
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The guy's 99, like he's going to have health problems.
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And do you know what I mean?
00:40:29
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If he can survive his eldest son having phone sex with his mistress, if he can survive Prince Andrew almost admitting that he slept with underage girls, he can survive this as well.
00:40:40
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Right.
00:40:40
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Yeah.
00:40:40
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Let's not forget about Prince Andrew and the completely disproportional reaction to Prince Andrew the pedophile.
00:40:48
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Yeah.
00:40:49
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No, it's not even alleged.
00:40:50
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There's pictures, right?
00:40:52
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He's been directly accused by a lot of the women who came forward during the Epstein trials.
Historical Oddities and Royal Bloodlines
00:40:58
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And there's pictures of him with the accusers.
00:41:02
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And he's trying to do the whole plausible deniability.
00:41:05
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I don't recall that.
00:41:06
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you know when so they can't say i'm lying but i'm not gonna admit it sort of thing like it was just a complete car crash interview when he was interviewed by by emily matlis who is an awesome journalist by the way and she was asking him about his association with jeffrey epstein i think i think for me the cherry on the bullshit cake in that interview was when he was like you know why did you go to jeffrey epstein's house when after he'd been convicted he so he flew to
00:41:36
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to New York and stayed in, you know, with Epstein in his house.
00:41:39
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And as the son of a monarch, he can actually stay at any embassy.
00:41:43
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So the New York embassy was down the road from Epstein's house.
00:41:47
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And he was like, I thought it would be honourable to break up the friendship in person.
00:41:53
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So I was like, do you not have a phone?
00:41:54
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Just pick up your phone, say we are done, drop the phone, block his number, don't talk to him again.
00:42:00
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Like, why would you fly all the way to New York
00:42:04
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To tell someone you don't want to speak to them anymore.
00:42:05
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And then stay at their house.
00:42:07
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That is like an evidence shredding party that definitely happened there, okay?
00:42:11
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Like, they definitely got together and were like, okay, let's see what we can cover up.
00:42:17
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See what kind of damage management we can get into right now.
00:42:20
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You know?
00:42:20
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And it's interesting that Meghan is seen as destroying the monarchy for speaking what is, you know, her truth.
00:42:27
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But Andrew, it was...
00:42:29
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okay, he's going to retire now, but we're still paying for him sort of situation.
00:42:35
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It just beggars belief, really.
00:42:36
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I mean, she's a woman, so she's going to get more blamed than the man.
00:42:38
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And she's also an outsider.
00:42:40
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So, you know, they're going to protect their own.
00:42:42
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Oh, another thing, this might be a bit of a tangent, but I also just want to point out that...
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All monarchies are inbred.
00:42:49
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It's true.
00:42:50
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It's true.
00:42:50
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Like, like Elizabeth, Elizabeth and Philip are cousins.
00:42:54
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They're cousins.
00:42:54
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In about three different ways.
00:42:56
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Yeah.
00:42:56
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And like three different ways they're, they're cousins three times over.
00:42:59
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Okay.
00:43:00
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Like the thing that I don't like, this is what I don't like about monarchy.
00:43:03
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Okay.
00:43:03
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Is they're actually more closely related to each other.
00:43:07
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Like the, the monarchy of like Greece and the monarchy of England and, you know, Denmark and Sweden, the rest, they're all more closely related to each other than they are to the people that they rule.
00:43:16
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Yeah.
00:43:17
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And so, you know, of course they have a vested interest in protecting their own... Yeah, it's about self-preservation.
00:43:23
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They want to preserve their own system that benefits them.
00:43:27
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They have no interest whatsoever or relation whatsoever to the people that they govern.
Reflection and Conclusion
00:43:32
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No, absolutely.
00:43:34
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I think actually, well, actually, Charles' generation were the first, like, Brits to not marry their... basically marry their cousin.
00:43:41
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Gross.
00:43:42
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We have those here, but we don't make them into political figures.
00:43:45
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Yeah, the cousin fuckers of America and Canada are all poor, low class.
00:43:49
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Like the cousin fuckers in Europe are all rich people.
00:43:51
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So it's just a different, different culture.
00:43:54
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Yeah, there's also what was it King Charles or whatever of Spain of the Habsburgs.
00:43:59
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He was so, so inbred that he had like, he was just a broken human.
00:44:05
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the Habsburg jaw, like just through and through, he was like mentally fucked up, physically fucked up, couldn't get a boner, couldn't even stand.
00:44:13
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I think like, you know, he was just the worst person and he, yeah.
00:44:17
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And there's like 10 generations of inbreeding that went out.
00:44:20
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Yeah.
00:44:20
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Charles II of Spain.
00:44:21
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Okay.
00:44:21
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Just whoever's listening, go Google Charles II of Spain.
00:44:24
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Okay.
00:44:26
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And then be horrified.
00:44:27
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Okay.
00:44:28
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That's all you need to know about monarchy.
00:44:30
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It feels like poetic justice, though, doesn't it?
00:44:32
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It feels like poetic justice that, yeah, okay, you can keep your precious royal bloodline, but your entire family's gonna look fucked up.
00:44:40
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They're gonna look toe up from the flow up.
00:44:41
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Yeah, like his parents were like uncle and niece.
00:44:44
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What's so weird is didn't they have laws about like consanguinity or consanguity, whatever?
00:44:49
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Like, you know, you can't marry someone who's too closely related to you.
00:44:53
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You have to get dispensation from the Pope.
00:44:55
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But they did it anyways.
00:44:56
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So like, clearly, it was more of a guideline and not a rule.
00:45:00
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That was my anti-monarchist rant.
00:45:02
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It's just they're all a bunch of fucking inbred idiots, okay?
00:45:05
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Just preserving their own wealth and not giving a crap about the people they govern.
00:45:10
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That's it.
00:45:10
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That's all I have to say about them.
00:45:11
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Suddenly Americans don't seem so bad, huh?
00:45:17
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I think that ultimately, though, Megan is a very good example of why FDS always says, you know, to vet the man you're going to marry and to go in with your eyes open.
00:45:29
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From a strategy standpoint, it's just, I just can't help but think that maybe a lot of this could have been avoided if she'd just done a bit more due diligence.
00:45:40
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Yeah, she got caught up in the fairy tale more than likely.
00:45:43
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And I don't like when people call her a social climber.
00:45:45
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She's been married twice, I think, but her last couple of husbands, they weren't like famous guys or anything like that.
00:45:51
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I think she was dating a chef before she was dating.
00:45:53
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Also, what's wrong with social climbing?
00:45:55
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Okay, there's nothing wrong with social climbing.
00:45:58
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Go get it, girl.
00:45:59
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And every woman who marries into the royal family is going to climb the social ladder, right?
00:46:04
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Like, just by virtue of marrying into them.
00:46:07
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Right, exactly.
00:46:08
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So it's not just her.
00:46:09
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Like, the Middletons as well, like, didn't Kate Middleton literally switch her degree so she'd be at the same university as William?
00:46:16
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Like, the Middletons as well, they're also social climates.
00:46:20
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Diana's family were also social climates.
00:46:23
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So if you can snag, I guess, the Prince of Wales or soon-to-be Prince of Wales or even Harry...
00:46:30
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That is going to improve your social standing in the UK dramatically.
00:46:33
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All right.
00:46:34
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00:46:35
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00:46:43
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00:46:45
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00:46:50
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00:46:51
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