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78. On "Wuthering Heights"
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“It is always tempting to impose one’s view rather than undergo the submission required by art; a submission akin to that of generosity or love.” - Shirley Hazzard
Yep, we’re talking about it: the most controversial movie in a very long time, Emerald Fennell’s “Wuthering Heights.”
NOTE: movie and book plot spoilers abound in this episode.
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Introduction and Viking Event Discussion
00:00:24
Speaker
everything and nothing literally my god ah what a day what a week i want to i want to hear more about your little excursion the viking fair thing or whatever it was called oh yeah i guess i did briefly talk about that a couple episodes ago which by the way ah hello welcome back thank you very much for ah being okay with us taking a week off um we were too overloaded and overwhelmed and needed just like a little breathing room so thank y'all so much and now we're back and better than ever jk we're trying uh
00:01:18
Speaker
But yeah, a few weeks ago I had mentioned this. It's called the North Folk Night Market. I guess it's the first time they're doing it. It's at this beautiful apple farm, apple orchard place in northern Massachusetts that I've been to several times. They've put on some pretty good events like But they've all been, you know, like harvesties style events that I've been to and not anything like this, which was just sort of like a, you know, vendor fair, country fair ah meets Nordic.
00:02:00
Speaker
renaissance fair that sounds so fucking cool though yeah a lot of people were dressed up tom was dressed up he came with us uh he brought a full suit of fiberglass armor what you um you better have some fucking pictures bitch Oh my god, I posted photos like 24 hours ago. You haven't seen them? Where?
00:02:23
Speaker
on Instagram. No, because I never fucking go on Instagram. You have to tell me to go look at stuff. Otherwise, I'll never know it's there. gotta start just looking. No.
00:02:34
Speaker
i have too much going on in my life to bother with that. Oh my god. i'm already on Facebook more than I want to be and like I don't have time for more social media.
00:02:48
Speaker
oh oh god i understand um but yeah he had he um yeah he just packed it in a suitcase and uh brought it and we helped him like armor up when we got there wow because it's like huge and bulky and not comfortable to like have to sit in a car wearing it fiberglass so it doesn't bend at all no No, it's like it feels to the touch. It feels like plastic, but it's and it's definitely not metal, obviously. um Wow. where do he Where the hell did he get that? I have no idea. i
00:03:28
Speaker
like i I don't know. i have no idea. But it's pretty dope. Yeah. Yeah. crazy he chose it he chose to wear it because of the fact that it has like this viking kind of style to it you know hu um and he had multiple people coming up to him complimenting him wanting photos with him and it was great and he wasn't even like he was nowhere near the only person that was like dressed up so it was cool to like hang out
00:04:06
Speaker
I wasn't dressed, I like, I dressed up, but like mostly I just like wore like a fun, not no even fun outfit, just like a not basic like black leggings and t-shirts. you know I wore, i actually wore um these really cool like mesh leopard print, like velvety mesh and velvet leopard print leggings that I have ah um so they were pretty cold but cool looking yeah and like a black iridescent ripped sweater from Killstar my favorite so yeah it was a lovely time
Viking Fair Activities and Upcoming Events
00:04:55
Speaker
Nice. There was some caroling by ah like Viking caroling standards. Not like Christmas caroling. Singing Viking themed songs ah by like a group. Not like everybody like attendees. ah Tons of vendors. Tons of like food vendors. ah And then this like food hall ah as well. The one that like exists there.
00:05:22
Speaker
like In addition to... You know, people from outside the farm. ah and really cool lights.
00:05:33
Speaker
Down in the back, like it was this really cool like light show set up. I don't know, just tons and tons of lights. I took a photo, obviously. i saw it. Yeah. um Really pretty. And there was like a cool little fire right next to that.
00:05:48
Speaker
ah There were fires everywhere. Like little... bonfires i don't know uh not bonfire because those are huge but like little campfires everywhere um and there was one right next to that like grove of lit up trees and we found like this random i don't know what this was for but it was this random like chalice full of like wooden tags and they were when i say tags i mean like they look like a price tag where they had there was like a rectangle with a little hole in one side and then a sharpie
00:06:26
Speaker
And we were like, i don't know what this is for, but what we're going to do is we're going to write affirmations on them and throw them into the fire. or manifestations or whatever. And so each of us did that.
00:06:42
Speaker
Nice. And it was cute and nice and fun. Nice. And yeah, it was a good ah good evening overall. Yay! Yay!
00:06:53
Speaker
yeah Maybe next year i can come out and go with you. Yeah. I mean, I hope that it does continue. Like, seems like it was yeah that the bid dip is it seems like it was a successful event. And so hopefully they'll continue to have it every year. Like, I think this was the first year that they've done it. And it seemed like it was a little bit of a little bit on like a trial run.
00:07:20
Speaker
situation like see how this goes before we decide if we're going to try to make it happen every year and as far as i know they did pretty damn well so So, yeah. So I i don't know why. i just decided to, like, Google Viking events near me. Viking festivals near me.
00:07:43
Speaker
And so there's one coming up, dude. Upcoming 2026 Viking festivals near you, Michigan area, including the Michigan Nordic Fire Festival in Charlotte, February 20th through 22nd, featuring Combat and Mead.
00:08:00
Speaker
Combat and Mead. And the Michigan Renaissance Festival in Holly, which, okay, that's not until the summer. ah Which hosts a Viking invasion weekend. Okay, yeah, we know that.
00:08:12
Speaker
Michigan Nordic Fire Festival, usually in late February. This three-day event features blacksmiths, axe throwing, and Viking ship pyre. dude canterbury village has a medieval fair i don't know when that is viking village viking festival blah blah okay so none of the other stuff is is as specific as the nordic fire festival which is this coming weekend holy shit is it is that close to you or charlotte
00:08:46
Speaker
Is not. I have to look. But i i think I know where Charlotte is. But I'm not positive. But I'm going look right now. Because that sounds to me like it's like purely. Like a Viking themed renaissance.
00:09:00
Speaker
Fair. Type of thing. Yeah. Oh it's not as far as I thought. Nice. Oh we could definitely do this dude. Dude. Because I was thinking Charlotte is up by.
00:09:13
Speaker
like oh god Like on the on the far west side of the state, which is like, it's not even half that far. Thank God. Yeah.
00:09:24
Speaker
Nice. So it's up, it's near Lansing, which is our state capital.
Festival Plans and Costuming
00:09:29
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So Charlotte, yeah, I'm going to ask ah my husband if he wants to go to do this, because this would be fun.
00:09:39
Speaker
I think he would enjoy it. And I think my son would enjoy it too. Hell yeah. Do you think y'all will dress up? I don't know.
00:09:49
Speaker
Maybe. It wouldn't be too difficult for you. Because like all you need is like a black dress. Yeah, and I have plenty of those. Yeah. And I was going to say, you can even just straight up like go full witchy and like you know stick a witch hat on your head and still blend in. Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:16
Speaker
yeah there were a lot of There were a lot of people who were just straight up dressed like witches. Nice. Yeah. Including, I don't know if you saw the videos that I posted on Instagram. I scanned through those really quick. I didn't actually watch the videos, but I saw that there were it videos.
00:10:33
Speaker
Yeah. um Because like, there's this ah
00:10:42
Speaker
I don't know if it's a group that does this or if it's like i don't know by but i've seen a viral video of a group of witches that's dance to this song by peter fox who i guess is like a german or german speaking pop artist uh and and The song that I've seen multiple videos of witches dancing to is Schützel deinen Speck.
00:11:16
Speaker
Or Speck. And the if you heard it, you'd probably recognize it. okay Because I know I've shared those videos with you of witches dancing. ah But they had like...
00:11:34
Speaker
that it was almost like flash dance style like which is dancing to that flash mob flash mob style flash mob
00:11:46
Speaker
I don't have a brain today. It's okay. It's okay. Honestly, witches doing flash dance would be pretty cool. Yeah, it would. Yeah, it would. Yeah,
00:12:00
Speaker
yeah so like one of those videos is a short clip of I couldn't get close enough to really like properly see them. But like I heard the music and I was like, I know what's happening over there. um so it was pretty good. i think you'd I know you've heard the song. I think you'd like it.
00:12:21
Speaker
I think that you'd listen to it just on your own. Just for funsies. e Yeah. Oh, and there was axe throwing as well. ah I got Jim to give it a whirl and he did okay.
00:12:35
Speaker
Ooh. So actually going on the Michigan Nordic Fire Festival website, it it appears that that they had that Google AI had the dates wrong. It's actually know two weekends from now.
00:12:50
Speaker
Oh, that's weird. i feel like dates are the easiest thing to get right. You would think. For AI. Unless it's like happening multiple weekends, but
00:13:04
Speaker
either way.
00:13:07
Speaker
Yeah, because it says Midgard Mead Hall opens Friday 5 to 11 p.m. Saturday 12 to 11 p.m. And then ship burning ah only on Friday at 7. says Midwinter Feast Sunday, March 1st at 1230 p.m. That's the only thing on here that has the date of this entire thing. Wow.
00:13:34
Speaker
unless I click on another link that has like, it's a schedule festival map, blah, blah. blah So I don't know, but that's the only thing on the homepage or that's the event page. Let me check out the homepage.
00:13:46
Speaker
I don't know why that link took me straight to the event page homepage, February 27th through March 1st. There you go. Okay. Yeah. So we've got an extra week. Yeah. it didn I'm very excited.
00:14:02
Speaker
I am very excited. Oh my God. We have to go. i have to take my family. I have to. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Get tickets in advance too. Holy crap. Tickets are live now.
00:14:13
Speaker
I'm going to send this link to my husband right now sope and see what he thinks. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
00:14:24
Speaker
But yeah, so that was fun. It was a nice wintertime event. And it was cool because like, even though it was wintertime and it was like primarily outdoors, it was like, there were so many fires.
00:14:38
Speaker
It really, it added to the vibe, but it really helped with like, you know, staying warm. So, and just being cozy. Oh, it was great.
00:14:50
Speaker
I'm excited. The one thing I didn't love was using a porta potty, but that's... whatever yeah there are worse things yeah so it is what it is yeah uh but yeah it was a nice time and i am happy i went even though it wasn't like the cheapest but like usually the more fun things are not cheap so right yeah so it was fine it was good yeah yeah yeah i'm so excited information
00:15:24
Speaker
I don't know why Just like listening to talk to talk about it, I was just like, I'm going to fucking Google and see if there's something like that around here. but like It seems to be like so consistent. And I like, I almost wish that like it occurred to you more often to just like look for these kinds of things because I feel like you only think of it after you hear me doing something similar, you know? Yeah. And I'm like, man, like.
00:15:49
Speaker
because I think i thought maba I would expect that as I'm scrolling on Facebook that these events are going to pop up and make themselves obvious to me and it never happens. So, I mean, I do see some stuff here and there pop up, but it's like it's always like a during the week thing. I can't go blah, blah. On Facebook specifically, I have to go searching for events that I'd be interested in and events that are relevant or nearby.
00:16:18
Speaker
hmm. you know like i have to go looking for them and by that i mean like literally go down a rabbit hole of like find one event that's marginally interesting and then look at see related events and then see what else keeps coming up yeah um and i just mark myself interested in anything that looks even remotely cool and uh then it stays on my radar but then i also i think that probably also helps with like you know the algorithm as unsophisticated as as facebook's algorithm is uh it will eventually catch on and be like okay this person wants like vendor fair events witchy events renaissance festival type events blah blah blah like and start you might start to see it more but yeah like i rarely get shown like unless it's ah an event that like somebody i know is putting on
00:17:15
Speaker
ah and it it like shows up in there you know because they posted about it or something, I don't get shown events that I would like to go to. Gotcha.
00:17:28
Speaker
But yeah, even just Googling like you just did is a good way to find fun things. Yeah. Yeah.
Renaissance Festivals and Historical Accuracy
00:17:38
Speaker
And it made me want to finally try to go to a renaissance festival or fair that like where i'll be like conscious of what's happening what do you mean don't understand when when you took me yeah to the renaissance fair i like didn't understand what they were really yeah oh like i didn't like if i had friends that would go to them i wasn't like aware of that okay
00:18:12
Speaker
yet and now i'm like hyper aware and i'm like i would want to be able to go and like finally like fully embrace the spirit of it you know um well you'll have to come back here again in august when they when they do them here august or september Yeah, there's so many out here, though.
00:18:30
Speaker
Yeah, but I want you to come back with me. i know. Like, I'll do that, too. But, like, there's, like, a really famous one that's in here in Massachusetts, King Richard's Fair. oh And that, I mean, that's also usually the most expensive one. But, like, it's fun. You know?
00:18:50
Speaker
So. ah and like, probably would want to go with Tom because he likes to dress up. Yeah. And. maybe just maybe try to you know configure some semblance of a renaissance outfit as well myself we'll see i really like help me out for a second okay um vikings would never have worn plaid or tartan right
00:19:25
Speaker
i mean if they you know once once the danish you know invaders were morew more integrated into like northern England and Scotland they might have ah um I don't think that it would be out of place to see it because like you know that scarf you have that's plaid yeah I wore that I wore that on Sunday okay I was totally thinking of getting something like that but maybe bigger
00:19:59
Speaker
aha to like wrap around me almost Scottish style um with the black dress underneath it. But like, yeah I wouldn't know. I don't know like what kind of shit they wear. What kind of shit that, you know, that they would. I mean, maybe I need to watch that series Viking and try to get a better idea.
00:20:17
Speaker
Yeah. If that's even historically accurate. But I mean, I don't know. I don't know. it ah feel like anything can be nitpicked true when it comes to like. And I'm not looking to be like 100%, you know, historically accurate with my outfit. I'm just trying to get so of the close.
00:20:39
Speaker
Yeah, I feel you. I feel you. Anyway. um Yeah. Yeah. So the the ticket prices aren't terrible, but like the winter feast thing on Sunday is already sold out. it's 129 dollars holy shit yeah that's bit much um but do they have like food vendors otherwise they i don't know maybe i haven't really feel like that seems like something that's essential for any kind of fare so hopefully so
00:21:12
Speaker
They have an all weekend pass, which is really a good price compared to like if you were going to do like two days, ahha you should just buy the weekend pass.
00:21:24
Speaker
Yeah. Like one day is 20 bucks and the weekend pass is 30 bucks, 31 bucks. Hell yeah. Otherwise you could do like, you know, $20 times three, which doesn't make any sense, you know?
00:21:37
Speaker
Right. So, yeah, don't know. I'm excited. I hope you do it. You should do it. yeah They do have that Midgard Mead Hall and they have the hours for that. so And then there's a tabber. Yeah, so there might be like a separate like you can just go and dine there even outside of the like yeah feast thing.
00:22:02
Speaker
Oh my god, I'm so... Yeah, it says we are fully booked for food and merchandise artisans. So I'm guessing they have food vendors all around there. Dope. yeah Do it.
00:22:13
Speaker
Holy shit. Do it. Yeah.
00:22:22
Speaker
Love it.
00:22:25
Speaker
All right. Moving on i went on. I want to say something. Yes.
Film Adaptation of Wuthering Heights
00:22:31
Speaker
About Wuthering Heights. Ooh, yes. We talked about this on our bonus episode. We talked about this movie on our bonus episode. Yeah. Before we had seen it. How I was kind of nitpicking the outfit that you sent me that she wore to the opening or whatever.
00:22:46
Speaker
Yeah. um Like how I didn't really care for like the stark white underskirt showing, you know, like whatever. But then when you see the movie, it makes sense because that's that the theme of her outfits were like red and white.
00:23:01
Speaker
Yeah. Through the whole movie. Yeah. Just like high contrast across the board. Yeah. Yes. That made sense for me for, you know, after seeing in the movie, i was like, okay, that that opening day or opening whatever. Yeah.
00:23:15
Speaker
you know dress that she wore on the carpet yeah not to mention um the theme of like human hair oh yeah yeah did you watch that tiktok of like her press tour outfits that the guy was talking about yes yeah because there was the one that i think he ended his video on that actually did feature human hair ah and uh i love it it's very it's very creepy um but like in a good way.
00:23:48
Speaker
Yeah. um Which honestly I felt applied to the movie as a whole. ah Oh my God. Opinions are so divided about this movie.
00:24:02
Speaker
Really? It's, it's, Oh my God. i have seen so few positive takes from, But I think I'm seeing more and more as people are actually getting to sit and watch this movie.
00:24:19
Speaker
I've seen so many negative reviews. And... personally like I've I've floundered about this because I was like i do I even want to talk about this because uh how much does it matter it doesn't ultimately it doesn't matter like I'm not a movie review person i'm certainly not an expert on Wuthering Heights because I never really read it I never really read the book um and you know all that I can say is that like
00:24:54
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe I'll go out on a limb here. i i think the only correct opinion to have about this movie is to not take it seriously. Yeah.
00:25:07
Speaker
Like to not, yeah, to just not be so serious because like the, all of the bad reviews are coming from people who were looking for complete faithfulness to the book. and the director was like super clear from the beginning that that was never her intention. Right.
00:25:27
Speaker
And so it's just like, if you were expecting that even after understanding that was not going to be how it was portrayed, like that's on you. you know And like many people have said, like there are so many, so many previous adaptations of that book that are way more faithful to the original story.
00:25:52
Speaker
And that, you know, that's what it's for. That's what those are for. Like, if that's what you want, go on, go and watch those, you know? Yeah. or Go read the book.
00:26:04
Speaker
yeah And I just saw this really, really good a point that was made on TikTok. Yeah. because that's where everyone's talking about it is on TikTok.
00:26:17
Speaker
um Like this really good point was made where, you know, one of the biggest complaints that people seem to have is the casting choice for Heathcliff, which we did, you know, talk about briefly when our, when we talked about it on the bonus episode, yeah that he is supposed to be, according to the original book, a person of color. um And from what it sounds like,
00:26:41
Speaker
First of all, like Emeril Fennell, the director, is a white woman. And many people have made the point that like they really don't want to see a white woman's take on heavy, dark themes of racism and classism.
00:27:00
Speaker
Hmm. and like you know because it's like that's not necessarily her wheelhouse yeah it's not like her lane to exist in and probably that's what she was abundantly already aware of yeah uh which would be why this like that's why it was written the way that it was to be not faithful to the original themes of the book is like because it's not for her to portray
00:27:40
Speaker
those heavy, challenging ideas and and themes. And so like there was that point made, which I felt was extremely valid.
00:27:52
Speaker
And there was also the point made that it was written without those themes in mind of classism and racism kind of class classism was like a little bit a part of the movie but racism was not and a lot of people have or like lot of people from what i've seen i've seen a good number of takes being like is
00:28:23
Speaker
would have been worse to have a man of color portraying Heathcliff in a story where race is not present as like a theme that's addressed huh because of the kind of character, the kind of problem problematic that Heathcliff as a character is to have not written. it was the role was written written for a white man.
00:28:54
Speaker
really the role in this movie you mean the role in this movie was written for a white man because to put a black man in the role and then not address the racism that was perpetrated against him in the original story oh okay uh just then portrays a black man as violent and aggressive and vindictive and a monster which is like ultimate racism you know
00:29:32
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I think that the subject matter was dense enough. and I don't know yeah if this is appropriate for me to say at all, but like without having to add like additional ah themes of racism race race and racism in it i don't know does that make sense and or do i sound do i sound like a fucking idiot you know you don't it's it's all very complicated i think that like the important thing to remember which is like the reason why i you know basically stated the only correct opinion to have is to you know
00:30:10
Speaker
i not take it so seriously or not take it seriously at all uh is because there is just like it's it's only intention was to just be this like overindulgent like sensory overload sort of environment like this it this it it it was more of like a world and an aesthetic that got to be like
00:30:43
Speaker
thrown at you rather than like trying to curate the exact challenging themes and discussions that occur from the book yeah like it's not a highly academic or intellectual iteration or interpretation right of the book and it does not have to be like you know it's like it it just is what it is and it's art and everyone i think the uh important thing that people need to remember is that art is meant to be engaged with as it is like you meet it where it is And it it it cannot be tone policed or it can't be cancel cultured. Like it's just art is meant to make people uncomfortable. and
00:31:41
Speaker
in that way, I think that this book, this book, this movie, the book shirt for sure on its own, completely separate, like, you know, it by itself definitely made people uncomfortable at the time it was published yeah and still does because it is very intense uh from what i understand i've read many synopses like i said i have not read actually read the book you know it's funny like i think i did read it but i really don't remember It's so dumb to be like that, but it's like, I don't know sure.
00:32:14
Speaker
I think it's a common thing to be assigned at school. I didn't read it in school. I, after high school, well after high school, um into my twenties, when my friend was visiting here with her husband and um we were talking about like classics and like literature and she was giving me suggestions on books to read. And so I made a list of books and I ended up buying a bunch of them at a bookstore one day. I'm sure that that's one of them because that was the thing, you know, i told you she had used a quote on her wedding announcements from that movie. So, yeah so anyway, she had read a bunch of classic novels and I was like, I really have never read any, like, I don't know what's what I should read, you know, give me suggestions. And so, I know that's one of them and I have the book and just trying to remember if I ever freaking read it. and i think I did.
00:33:08
Speaker
yeah I think I did, but it's just been so long now that I don't remember. It's weird. I know that I owned it. I don't think I ever read it. ah Classics I've always struggled with to like get through just because my own ADHD makes it hard for me to like focus in general.
00:33:27
Speaker
Yeah. It always has. And it's even harder to focus when I have to like figure out what's even trying to be said. Yeah. With every single sentence. Yeah. You know? so so like older literature, I've never really done that great at reading. I have read some, I've read Dracula, the original I've read the Phantom of the Opera, the original novel. I've,
00:33:51
Speaker
think i wanted to try to read les mis les miserables um and definitely tried and got a part of the way through but did not for sure read the entire thing uh yeah but like Wuthering Heights, I think, was just one i couldn't get through. And I couldn't get through... i tried Pride and Prejudice. I tried Jane Eyre. could not get through like any of them.
00:34:20
Speaker
like I don't know. So it is what it is. But the point being, art is supposed to make people uncomfortable. It's supposed to make people think. It's supposed to create like cause ah discussion and discourse and...
00:34:36
Speaker
The point is to stimulate the mind in one way or another, and make you feel something one way or another. and this movie absolutely fucking does that.
00:34:50
Speaker
And I think for myself, and I know you agree, it's fucking beautiful. It's incredible and it's grotesque. And I love that shit. Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:03
Speaker
yeah yeah i am all four like overindulgent like uh just like and not not only in terms of like sex but like overindulgent in terms of like anything color saturation like portray it like the food that's portrayed ah in this in this movie like is so opulent that it's almost disgusting yeah yeah like truly i'm like yeah I just oh and I have to ask you did you ever see the movie Marie Antoinette by Sofia Coppola
00:35:45
Speaker
uh once in like 2012 okay i know that my roommate at the time ah was she loved that movie and she really wanted me to see it and so i watched it i remember liking it but i don't remember much about it yeah i've seen it a couple of times now but i actually ended up owning it i believe on dvd but um it's uh yeah i do own it on dvd because i can remember the cover um so it's It's all pastel.
00:36:16
Speaker
Yeah. ah Like the whole thing. and it's air obviously very gaudy. Very opulent. Yeah. Which was like exactly the problems of the actual historical time period. Yeah. Like, yeah. yeah and the whole entire soundtrack was like 80s and probably not early 90s, probably just 80s like goth alternative like stuff.
00:36:42
Speaker
It was like Susie and the Banshees, I think was it was one of the songs. Some New Order, like that kind
Artistic Elements of Wuthering Heights
00:36:50
Speaker
of stuff. So it was like really um very like not historically accurate in that sense yeah well i've always really enjoyed and that's probably one of the things that i enjoyed about that movie then because i like i said i don't remember much about it but like and that's always been a thing that i have enjoyed is like incongruous music with historical fiction yeah and so like you know for that reason another one of my favorite movies ah is a knight's tale m which i haven't seen that so long i don't remember much
00:37:25
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Oh my god, Knight's Tale is amazing. It's basically, it somehow pulls in and makes it work really well. This like medieval setting, this medieval England like place, this world.
00:37:45
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ah They fit in rock. seventy s and eighty s rock ah um probably more more on the 70s side of things but they you know multiple queen songs and ah I can't remember the name of the the band but the song Lowrider in it which is so good and David Bowie oh I think I told you about that scene with David Bowie's song and I think I tried to get you to watch it but I don't remember
00:38:20
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I don't know. I can't remember either offhand. Yeah. it's You're going to have to rewatch A Knight's Tale. but like I will. they do it They blend it so perfectly. They like start out with like a medieval like minstrel band and then it flows seamlessly into like a full-fledged studio recording of David Bowie's Golden Years. nice and i love it and that's like incredible and then you know i would say that's actually one of the things that i most loved about this new version of weathering heights was the soundtrack because it was like as with everything else it was abrasive on the senses yeah but like in a way that like
00:39:12
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made me like excited and wanting more you know like everything that I think it was intending to do this movie it succeeded in doing with me and that's fine it's great I love it I think one of the things that kind of stuck out to me was how when um oh my god I cannot remember her her name the character's name Which character?
00:39:42
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In Wuthering Heights. I can't think of her name. Oh, the main character? Yeah. Kathy? Kathy. When she first peers over the wall at her new neighbors that are super rich.
00:39:55
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Yeah. the lady that they call his charge or whatever they called her. yeah um She ah was reading and she sat there and had to like explain to whatever his name was after after um about Romeo and Juliet that she was reading and how, how tragic it was that the letters, you know, didn't get there in time or whatever. and then in their story later on,
00:40:25
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there are letters that are getting burned in the fire on purpose and then um the them just missing each other in certain ways like repeatedly was like a like romeo and juliet times fucking 12 or whatever it was just like on steroids you know it's like holy shit you know that's just crazy that she's just talking about that story and then it turns out to happen that like she's caught in that triangle of them absolutely oh my god and you know that's the other thing is that like you know a lot of the negative reviews that i saw were basically trying to make the claim that this movie had no substance and then and then
00:41:08
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I watched it and I was just like, what are they talking? Are we watching the same movie? Yeah, that's crazy. Because what are they talking about? Just because it doesn't have all the themes and all the original substance from the original source material of the book does not mean it has no substance whatsoever. Yeah, I don't find that to be true. It is kind surface level. It is.
00:41:33
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it is heavy heavy on the sensory overload which is like you know the aesthetic is a big part of the uh drive behind the making of this film and the way the story goes but it does not lack for depth I didn't think so either like yeah when you said it's very surface level I was kind of like yeah yes and no I don't know like I felt enough it's like you i was I feel like I have to say that because like it seems that it's that surface level in comparison to the book.
00:42:09
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Maybe. but like, once again, like, it it doesn't have to be so fucking heavy. a It was though. it It was though. There were scenes that you just go like, whoa, what the fuck, dude? That's crazy. Like, like you know, yeah if I'm going to pick out one example, it's when he's back in in the little in Wuthering Heights in the in the house um with his bride wearing a dog collar and on the floor barking. and like the lady from the the original, i don't know what you call her, like the nanny person.
00:42:51
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Yeah. Whoever. Yeah. She used take Kathy. Nellie, think, is her character. Yes. She comes over there and she's just like, what is going on here? yeah And it's like,
00:43:02
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Holy crap. Just the dynamic in that scene was crazy because you have him... basically acting like he doesn't give two shits about that woman wearing the collar and she's just like isabelle into the yeah the sister or ward or charge or whatever yeah ward yeah yeah um yeah i can't remember names for shit you have to remember that about me i have them so i'll get them i've been reading so much discourse about this that I have even though I didn't read the book I know all the names okay so yeah Isabella just fell into this role of being completely mistreated
00:43:44
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by Heathcliff consensually yeah yes that's i mean she fell into it but it's like yeah on purpose like she like literally just did it want to yeah he basically said this is how it's going to be do you yeah oh she got his yeah oh yeah he got her consent yeah first of all and not not not even only like consent to be like you know I'm gonna be a dom to you but like consent that this is not about you and I'm just trying to get back at Kathy. Yeah. I'm not going to love you at all. He was just like, I'm going to marry you and I'm not going to love you at all, basically. yeah and he's like, do you want me to stop? She's like, no. yeah Repeatedly many questions. And she just says, no don't stop. So yeah anyhow, there's that.
00:44:34
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But it was like him, him basically saying Like, I can't remember what he was saying in the scene, but it was like, may it was enough for you to realize that, oh God, there was, there was a hint of his, do you call it when you like to inflict pain on people? Thetism? Yeah. There was a hint of that, but it was like,
00:45:00
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Because of of his anger for not being able to be with her. You know. His his love. you know and it was just That was a deep moment for me. and then. um yeah Yeah.
00:45:12
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just There was a lot of moments like that. Where you're just like holy shit. yeah This is insane. This is like. Such a crazy love triangle. Ish.
00:45:24
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Love spiral or whatever. level you want go Tangle. and ti and Yeah, crazy stuff. Crazy stuff. um Yeah, dude. Very good. In my opinion. Just very, very good.
00:45:38
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Yeah. And also, like, I didn't even mention this yet, but I think I only saw I saw him briefly in a trailer and then forgot until I actually went and watched the movie. But my one of my favorite, like, basically up and coming actors currently was in Wuthering Heights as well. And I was so excited. And that was Ewan Mitchell.
00:46:03
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um for your memory like to jog your memory he was the servant who put the bridle on the other servant and like got the whip out oh okay he's very angular features right yes yeah yes um i love that actor i love ewan mitchell so much and it's like mostly just because he's so adorable what was he in besides this that you'd seen him in um Apparently he was in Saltburn. I don't remember seeing him when i was Saltburn. But it so was Heathcliff, right?
00:46:40
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Yeah, so was Jacob Elordi. Yeah. um But like, so was Ewan Mitchell. I didn't know that. And he um was in a House of the Dragon on HBO. He was one of the Targaryen children in House of the Dragon. okay um And he what i know him from originally was from the last kingdom huh ah which is viking themed called personal for la we have come full circle yeah um the last kingdom is an incredible show i know i've told you i think i tried to start watching that one time yeah just couldn't really get into it but i could try again
00:47:29
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I wish you
Ewan Mitchell and Viking Roles
00:47:31
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would. um But yeah, he he doesn't show up immediately in The Last Kingdom. I think he shows up in like season two or three. um But in that show, he is a fledgling monk.
00:47:46
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like monk in training basically wait which guy are we talking about again you and mitchell okay gotcha uh yeah he was like a monk in training and then he joins the like main character's entourage in the last kingdom uh but he always goes around wearing his monk robes but he starts you know carrying like an axe with him and whenever he gets into battle he's like killing people with axe it's great oh my god and they all like in that show the group calls him baby monk baby monk baby monk i think his name his character his actual character name was like osworth oh okay well it's it's like like very very medieval very like so like somewhere between 800 and 900 and
00:48:41
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80 historical time period um like or whenever like it basically it tells the story of king alfred the great uh of england uh but that was it was so long ago um but yeah so there are sort all sorts of very authentic weird medieval names in that show and osworth is probably one of the least weird um but i love that they always call him baby monk
00:49:19
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So, yeah, to see you and Mitchell in Wuthering Heights, and especially to see him take on quite a spicy role, was pretty fun.
00:49:31
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Yeah. Yeah. oh Yeah. well this movie was good dude it was good i am going to see it again don't know when but i will i am going to i loved it i loved it it's and i think because i also you know i was still in the midst of all the stress when i went to see it the other day the for the first time yeah And I would like to go and like re-experience it with a calmed down nervous system.
00:50:08
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For sure. Where can fully relax and settle in and just like let the overindulgence roll over me. Yeah. no
Conclusion and Future Content
00:50:17
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Yep. Yay!
00:50:19
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I'm so excited. Holy shit. So yeah, we didn't really have much else in the way of like ah topic for this week you know just sort of easing our way back into your regularly scheduled programming but you know we're here hell yeah and i will be watching it again as well good good but yeah that's kind of it i don't really have much else to say like i'm tired aha what else is new right
00:50:57
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yep Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see what happens next week. I don't know. um Yeah. Winter is doing its thing. It is brutal and cold and gross.
00:51:15
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It's not super cold here today. Thank God. 44. Yeah. Yeah. we're We're climbing for weather. ah What we got? Right now it's 39, but the sun is starting to go down. Apparently the high was 40.
00:51:30
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Maybe it was 40 like an hour or two ago. Tomorrow the high is 43 so that'll be good. My friend told me on his way over here yesterday that his car degrees.
00:51:45
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and to-day or to-morrow it's supposed to be 58 but there's 90 chance of precipitation gross well at least that only means rain and not more snow exactly yeah i'm so glad too my god i just i we're only like halfway through this month like basic i mean like just we're we're over halfway i guess now but like oh god but listen get me to march it was just new year's day like two weeks ago feels like it yeah and we're already a month and a half into this new year it's fucking crazy i know i can't believe how fast the shit flies by these days it's unreal and i know i've talked about this before but it still boggles my mind how fast it's going by
00:52:43
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Yeah. Yep. Crazy shit. Yeah. But like, yeah, we're like, it's just, if we're clawing our way to the warmer weather and that's just how it's going to be, you know, hearkening back to the, uh, hermit episode talking about wanting to just sort of like,
00:53:07
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take shelter emotionally um that continues to be the case it just it just is what it is can't rush it can't sort of you know can't force anything just gotta like let it be what it is and uh yeah do our best yep but yeah so we hope that you guys will hang in there with us and we're with the the with the whole you know concept of everything flying by, we'll for sure be feeling our energy picking up before we even know it.
00:53:48
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yeah But I'm looking forward to going to that fair festival thing. I want to get your full experience report.
00:54:01
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Yes. We'll have to do that in one of the episodes afterward. ya Yeah. yay but yeah so that's our show we hope you haven't listened if you had ah had an opinion about Wuthering Heights in any direction hit us up with it no let us know did you love it did you hate it were you disappointed by it were you freaked out by it like
00:54:37
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We want to know. yeah We're not becoming a movie review podcast by any means. But, you know, this was something that I felt like was very on brand for both of us. And I knew we had a lot to say, having both, you know, gone and seen it on opening weekend.
00:54:58
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If only we could have gone together, but alas. Yeah. oh But yeah, so let us know. Where can they do that? Where can they ah send us those ah those thoughts and opinions, Christina? um I think at soulpodthepodcasts at gmail.com would be an appropriate email address to enter into their computer thing. Yes, absolutely. And if you want to follow us on Instagram, where can they find us there?
00:55:31
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soul pod the podcast something or other at soul pod the podcast yeah yeah that's basically that's yeah that's correct and You can also support the show financially with your money dollars on Patreon. We have now an entire year's worth of content over there. Holy Really? we so We started in March last year. so What? Now we have an entire year's worth of content. Oh my god. i know amazing ah most notably the bonus episodes which are so fun uh mayhap we will indulge we we talked a little bit and we got a little spicy uh about you know ah some of our content in our most recent one ah um which is also when we're where we talked about weathering heights the movie but that was before we watched it
00:56:30
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So maybe now that we've watched it, we might go a little in depth about our spicier thoughts. maybe i need to watch it again and i'll take notes next time yeah uh but yeah like definitely that's where we like to put our more uh intense content yeah so if you like that kind of shit yeah you know where to find us and that is at
00:57:06
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SoulPod the podcast. Something, something, something. no Patreon.com slash SoulPod the podcast.
00:57:16
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There you go That's it. Thanks. Sometimes brain don't brain. that's okay my brain isn't braining either but yeah so hit us up and we're grateful that you guys are here with us and we love you guys and we hope you have a beautiful and we'll see you again