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95. The Fear Trap
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The New-Age-Spirituality to Alt-Right-Christian pipeline, also sometimes known as Woo-to-Q, is a truly dangerous slippery slope, and the lubricant in question stems from fear of the shadow. But talking about it can shine a light, so lets illuminate it together.
“The darkness fears what darkness knows, but if you’ve never known the darkness, then you’re the one who fears the most.” - TORRES, “New Skin”
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Introduction & Patreon Bonus
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Building a Content Backlog
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And then we're going to record another episode later tonight and then another one later this week. And then we'll be all set for like a week or two.
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So, yeah, it's having fun. We're having fun. You're muted. I was going to say, sorry. We're not trying to make up for what we already didn't do, but we're trying to get a little bit of a backlog so we can yeah use them in the future.
00:01:25
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Yeah, and we are ah recording an extra bonus episode this month. ah So seriously, seriously, go check that out on Patreon. All three of our bonus episodes this month will be available to the lowest tier. yeah um Typically, it's just one ah for the lowest tier and ah two for the third tier. But we missed our second episode last month. So, ah you know, things have just been, you know, life has been lifing.
00:01:56
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Yep. And I was sick for a week. So yeah, thanks, you guys for ah being so patient and gracious with us as we had to take yet another break. I was feeling like tense about it because I was just like,
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like I feel like we've skipped quite a few weeks so far this year. and i know that like life is just doing what it does and you know we got to do what we got to do But I also was just like, man.
00:02:22
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But it was extraordinarily valid with ah Christina having double pneumonia. ah I was pretty out for the count for a few days. yeah she was more than a few days really because it was like several days of you know, both like between the being ill and then the realizing that you needed to see a doctor and getting meds and then recovering even while you were taking the meds. So, uh, I'm just grateful you're okay. Me too.
00:02:58
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Yeah.
Alex Reads Tarot Incident
00:02:59
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But we're back and coming in swinging, coming in hot with a hot, hot topic um this this week.
00:03:10
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We've got... It's an interesting thing because it's like not something I've done a whole lot of research on. It's something that I just have a lot of like thoughts about. and um So I was, and it's and it's pertinent. We were, obviously this was going to be, we would have recorded about this last week and released an episode this past Monday. ah But, you know, we just put it off. But we're here and only a slightly bit delayed to talk about um the Alex Reads Tarot situation on TikTok.
00:03:44
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And...
Concerns About Christianity's Influence
00:03:46
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ah the overall like just sort of as a zooming out subject um the overall like new age spirituality to alt-right Christian pipeline which is a big subject that we've wanted to talk about for a while so
00:04:06
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so Yeah, so that's our that's our goal today is to have a little chat about that because Jesus Christ, it's serious. um And it's tough too because it's like, you know, we've never been in the business of trying to tell people like that they're wrong for believing a certain way.
00:04:30
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But there is like really something that needs to be said about, um, this shit that keeps happening. And it's like, it's not like I've seen a whole ton of content creators on the internet do this because I know that it happens all the time. This is just happened to be that I have followed Alex reads tarot for multiple years, uh, on Tik TOK.
00:04:59
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And like it like It was very surprising when I learned that she had done the old switcheroo.
00:05:13
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Yeah. um i had not followed her at all. Yeah. if I don't think even knew of her. Yeah. It's a little different with you because you're like not not quite so chronically online.
00:05:27
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as uh as i have been but uh it's still you know it's still you like you're a part of the spiritual community even if you are not like actively online a ton like it's it's you know it it impacts all of us uh which is uh you know other pagan spiritual practices of other titles. Yes. um
00:06:00
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It does. It impacts all of us. so ah Effectively, like really what happened is what I have already described.
Reversals in Belief & Integrity
00:06:09
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The content creator, Alex Reads Tarot, was a year, you know, had built a big platform, had over a million followers on TikTok and over many years had been sharing tarot polls and like tarot readings on TikTok and probably also on Instagram. I don't, I don't really use Instagram enough to know if i even, I don't remember if I follow her there or not, but, um,
00:06:40
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She'd been on and at least on TikTok ah sharing these tarot readings and also selling, you know, readings through, i assume her own webpage. I think also on Etsy. I'm not exactly sure. um but like, you know, like selling her services as a tarot reader, charging money for her services, which is extraordinarily valid. It's something that I have done in the past and something I would like to continue to do. um
00:07:12
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But she like, she's massively benefited from building a platform based on ah spiritual practice that she has now completely turned her back on.
00:07:24
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And this is not a case of me or us as witches being like, oh my God, a traitor. Like she's not, it's not like that, but it's more so just like,
00:07:37
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what happened to like the, the integrity and respect of the work. Like this is, this is why, this is why tarot readers get a bad rap is, is when shit like this happens, you know, um you know, among other things, but it's like, it calls into question,
00:08:02
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The validity of the readings she was giving, which, you know, I feel like maybe sounds like an extreme reaction to have. But at the same time, like if you had paid for her services and then found that she has issued the entire practice of tarot reading as demonic.
00:08:24
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Like, yeah, that's, that's a betrayal. It's, it's not, not cool at all. It's not cool. It's not good. It's really
Fear and Belief Systems
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sad. um And like, it's, it's tough too, because like, I feel like when this happens, a lot of times what's, what the person is experiencing is fear.
00:08:47
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And that makes me sad. Like they legitimately think all of a sudden they're, they say, you You think they are like all of a sudden thinking, oh my God, I'm going to go to hell.
00:08:59
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Yeah. Or like, oh my God, like I've opened the door to like demonic energies. Yeah. Or entities. Yeah. And it like, it's just, it's it's, it's, it's hard it's hard um because it's so Christian focused when,
00:09:20
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witchcraft and wicca and you know the like general practices therein are not christian based like you can absolutely be a christian witch and you can incorporate christian theology and mythology and lore into your own personal beliefs and practices but like it's different like it's not the same as believing in demons, believing in Satan, believing in hell. yeah Like, you know, like the many times I've heard Christians being like, aren't you afraid of going to hell? Whether it's honestly, whether it's to a witch or to anybody who just simply isn't a Christian.
00:10:06
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ah It's like, no, no, I'm not afraid of that because that's a belief that you hold and not one that I hold. hmm. Like, even if I was raised in it, you and I were both raised in a Christian household. ah You know, no matter how much the US government wants to pretend that we're not. When I say we, I mean Mormons. Yeah, isn't that hilarious? That's a new development that i wanted to talk to you about. i thought that was so funny. And the fact that it was like, there was such a like, crazy bad reaction that like made them reverse...
00:10:41
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Oh, did they? oh yeah. They reversed it like after like a weekend. They were just like, oh, never mind. Okay. Oh, my God. That is so funny. I was just yeah like, you just alienated alienated a ton of your voting base, you jackasses. Oh, my God. Anyway. It was very silly. Let's not get off topic right now.
00:11:01
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But for real, like Mormons are Christians, even if they don't act like it sometimes. um like They are. It's in the name. um i don't care about Mormonism as a whole, but I will, you know, I will speak to that and defend it. um But point being, we were both raised in that um culture. hmm.
00:11:26
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And yet, like, we both woke up to like, the understanding that it is not, like, that's not how the universe works. Right. ways that we were taught. And so, no, we're not afraid of hell. We're not afraid of the devil. We're not afraid of demons. Like, sure, i do I believe that demonic energy exists? Abso-fucking-lutely. Like, I believe that, like...
00:11:50
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Whether it's you want to call it specifically demons in the Christian sense or just simply evil entities, those are out there. I know it. um Do they have inherent extraordinary power over us? No.
Shadow Work vs. Superficial Beliefs
00:12:08
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No. No, I absolutely fucking do not believe that. Like, they only have the power that you give them. And when you live in fear, you give them all of your power. Yeah.
00:12:21
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um and this is what is happening and it's like it's it's really tough too with regards to like um alex reading like alex reese tarot i don't know what her actual last name is but like she is so young i don't know exactly i believe she's like 22 maybe and she got started in all of this so young and she's so impressionable right And that's part of the problem, really, is that like she is so
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just like
00:13:00
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impressionable that's like the best word i can think of really and a lot of people suspect and i think they might be right that there's a dude there's a guy who got involved yeah just sort of has like planted this bug in her mind of like what you're doing is evil and if you come to the light come to the to the you know righteous side you'll you can be saved like has she denied though that there's a guy i think she said there was not a guy i she i think she tried to um people have dug into it i've not actually even really listened to her messages i've just listened to the stitches the like discourse around it i've heard snippets of what she said in her like you know one video that she posted on her you know massive platform i think there's two now
00:13:53
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i I know she deleted or she created a second one and then she didn't delete it, but she like removed or made it private. She made all of her videos private, by the way, like hundreds of videos that she's posted over the years. I thought she just got rid of them.
00:14:07
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She made them all private because if you delete them, you lose the likes. oh And that's part of the problem is she wants to keep her massive platform. That's so weird. I know. like um But that's what people have like come to notice or or see is that she like didn't delete them. She made them private. otherwise all the like Because it'll show at the top of a person's page how many likes they've received overall. And they're all those likes are still there.
00:14:36
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um I think that's why people know. But... um
00:14:41
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Some people have done some digging and apparently there's only one account that her account follows now and it's a guy. It's a random dude. huh um And so it's just...
00:14:56
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it's just, it's sad. It's like, that this is the problem. i mean, there's so many problems, but this is like a big problem with Christianity as a whole is how predatory it is with young impressionable women who, you know,
00:15:19
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are usually in the like new age spiritual community um you know in those circles and yeah it's like it's tough man it's this is there's i have so many things so many thoughts um god my my brain's gotta stop going in 100 different directions give me one second while i sit on my drink
00:15:51
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Hmm. Here's like one of the biggest thoughts that I have on it. It's something that was said by multiple people in the discussion online since this occurred.
00:16:06
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it's It's the reality that once you've woken up like really woken up you can't go back to sleep and what that effectively means in this context is if you have ever actually truly had like spiritual awakenings had internal personal reckonings done shadow work and like truly had your eyes opened you can't close them again you can't unknow that information no matter how scary
00:16:55
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the thought of like hell is when you've been woken up it's it doesn't hold that power over you anymore yeah you know you have the ability to work through the fear like that's what comes with the like doing the dark dirty work And yet there are so many people who are so afraid of their own darkness that they will preach love and light and new age, you know, spirituality, like all the buzzwords and never, ever once glance at their shadow. Yeah.
00:17:40
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They can't do it.
Trendy Witchcraft vs. True Practice
00:17:43
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And like, it's the kind of thing where i Do I believe that like all of her readings were completely invalid because she has now done this like flip-flop?
00:17:55
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No, not necessarily. But she certainly was not on the path to true awakening if it was this easy for her to peace out.
00:18:14
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Right. Like... Did she ever talk about how she started tarot? Like what started her on that path at all? Not that I saw. I really only ever saw her readings being posted. it's possible she just got into it because it was like what looked popular at the time. Trendy. Yeah, that's the unfortunate thing.
00:18:37
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That was one of the things that like always sort of like irritated me, you know, coming around like the 2017, 2018 era of like American culture. And maybe it could be global because Alex Rittero is also not American as far as I'm aware. She's Scottish.
00:19:01
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But like you know, i guess modern culture, social culture in general, is that it got really trendy to be witchy. and sure, it's not like I had tons and tons of years under my belt.
00:19:23
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By that point, I had only really been actively reading and and interested in investigating, alone practicing for like two-ish years.
00:19:39
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um Practicing for two years. studying and practicing like reading and investigating for like three years before that. So five years total around like the 2018 mark when shit got really trendy. um So it's again, not like I had this massive like lifelong claim on the practices, but ah I also like could understand that like the trendiness was going to attract a whole lot of people who are not ready to do the work.
00:20:10
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Mm hmm. and just wanted to jump on the bandwagon right and like you know the very very beautiful thing is that there were a lot of people who were ready to do the work even if they didn't know that's what was going to be required of them when they started down that path for like you know the aesthetics sake yeah um And, you know, so it really it did open the door for a lot of people, but it also just sort of let a lot of people in the door who have made a lot of noise and not really done much for themselves or for, you know, the world at large. Yeah.
00:20:55
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And I, you know, I don't know if that was exactly her story. I really don't know much about her. But I feel very strongly that this is the case with her and with a lot of other people who end up on this pipeline.
00:21:15
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That it, that that they... haven't been able to face their shadow they haven't been able to look at their own darkness and and integrate and accept the dark aspects of themselves and therefore they are terrified of the darkness that can be found in the universe yeah whether it's imagined or real yeah and um You know, and i I just, this random thought just occurred to me about Christianity and like what Christianity requires of people is, it really is not digging into your past and and figuring out
00:22:00
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your darkness. It's it's more or less shunning your past and shunning your sins and never doing them again and just like doing good from now on. Period. Yeah. Not asking questions, not really reflecting. There's no doing any work.
00:22:15
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yeah it's just do you accept jesus as your lord and savior and will you not have sex again until you're married or not have any more coffee or alcohol or whatever stupid fucking rule i'm just thinking about general christianity and that's just shunning your past and shunning your sins and just doing good and you know and i'm not and going to church and reading your scriptures and saying your prayers, you know? Right. And not not that there's anything wrong with wanting to start with a clean slate.
00:22:50
Speaker
True. but But how much of a clean slate is it really when you have not done that work, when you have not reflected? i think that's my point. Yeah. Like it's, it's just like, you know, it's lip service. There's no, it's all talk, no walk. Right.
00:23:09
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in christian like within christianity whether you've come to it through the new age spiritual pipeline or not whether you were just raised in it or even if you just come to it of your own volition whatever like spirituality or christianity as a whole
00:23:30
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and it's it just it's a means to a very empty existence and It's a means to control people. It's a means to control people. And it also doesn't offer, it does not offer very much fulfillment.
00:23:49
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, the people in it will think and say that they are fulfilled, but. Sure. They're wrong. They don't, they just don't know it. Like, this is the thing is like, they have no clue what they're, what they don't know what they don't know. Right.
00:24:07
Speaker
And that that could be said of all of us, but at least we admit what we don't know. h You know, there's a huge difference between being able to admit that you don't know what you don't know versus claiming you know everything. And also not just sticking your head in a hole.
00:24:24
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Claiming, claiming you don't need to know, you know, um i don't know. I just feel have a lot of strong feelings about it. um It's sad. It's tough. We also have a very personal connection to
Kat Von D's Spiritual Journey
00:24:42
Speaker
this. And by personal, I mean, not actually literally personal, but um We have in the past talked about one of the biggest things we found in common when we first reconnected. Yep.
00:24:59
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And that was a a very deep abiding ah
00:25:07
Speaker
fanship. Mutual admiration. Mutual admiration of Von D. Mm-hmm. And, you know, her existence is a big ol' can of worms that is not entirely a New Age spiritual to alt-right Christian pipeline. You know, there's other bullshit mixed in.
00:25:30
Speaker
But, like, she definitely falls into this category, unfortunately. And it's not necessarily that she, like, went... Like, she... she I don't really know how much spiritual practicing she actually did.
00:25:47
Speaker
We only really knew her to be a tattoo artist, makeup artist slash creator and fashion guru i don't really know. Yeah.
00:25:58
Speaker
but a goth fashion icon yeah goth fashion icon makeup creator and shoes and general fashion creator because there was a short time where she was selling like a clothing line or two really um oh yeah and one of my favorite pairs of leggings was from her clothing line damn and regrettably They didn't fall apart like they were poorly quality, poor quality, but like they just did the usual like.
00:26:32
Speaker
ripping open in the mid in the like inner thigh area um because you know big girls got them big thighs that need a lot of the reinforced um they were my favorite leggings i'll show you picture later i cannot believe i didn't know she had actual clothes i just know yeah she had like accessories along with her shoes you know wallets stuff like that but yeah this is This was long before her shoe line now was released. um This was when I was still in school before I ever even reconnected with you. um But point being, like, that's the only capacity through which the both of us
00:27:17
Speaker
were familiar with her and i don't think that she was a tarot reader necessarily that's not no but she what i'm insinuating apparently had books on witchcraft and the occult and was yeah and like tarot decks and things and relatively you know that stuff yeah like her her claim her vibe always was that she was drawn to the dark, the weird, you know, the odd, um what have you.
00:27:51
Speaker
and you know i can i can understand and appreciate the validity of having those interests, but again, like it was clear there was no foundation beneath it.
00:28:12
Speaker
Yeah. um the day that she posted on Instagram that she was throwing away books and tarot decks pertaining to witchcraft and the occult and anything else dark because she didn't even specify like she had like found her lord and savior Jesus Christ but like you know it was pretty clear insinuation I think she kind of put out a little bit of a
00:28:43
Speaker
warning to people like if you're into this stuff be careful or kind of that kind of thing yeah and like i i just knew that i was like no something's something's not right here and that's the day i unfollowed her and i don't want anything to do with her content anymore and i was proven right when later on i can't remember when this exactly happened now but like a couple years ago now at least uh she was fucking baptized into a random was it like a born again church i don't even really even know yeah some kind of a christian church i don't know yeah but like you know she posted and i think was it you that saw it and then you sent it to me because i obviously i wasn't following her by that point so i wouldn't have i' seen come across it a few things here and there yeah um
00:29:39
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um But yeah, I saw the baptism video and I was just like, God damn it, I knew it. Like, this is what happens when you don't have foundation. And it's not like, again, this is not like me being like, let's get our claws deeper into the people who might slip into the Christian's grasp. Yeah. No, it's more or less a commentary on how they've lived their lives and how, you know. Yeah, like how she was, it was, again, with her, all lip service.
00:30:12
Speaker
Yeah. And no real. like true grit behind any of it. Also, we don't really know how how much was pressure. like she might have been pressured by her husband or the husband's family or her Again, with the like, there's a man. you know yeah There's a man involved in here somewhere. it's i her Her husband, I think, is the reason she slipped down this this road um in the first place. Like,
00:30:42
Speaker
She was always very outspokenly child free. Yeah. And then she met the man she eventually married and got pregnant. huh and he convinced her somehow to keep that child to keep the pregnancy. And they got married while she was pregnant.
00:31:06
Speaker
And I was like, you know what? Okay. Like people can change their mind. Like I never will. I know that to be true about myself. If anybody in the future hears me say that I want to get pregnant and have a child, understand that I've been body snatched. Like I'm saying it here and now, but like people do change their minds. I will absolutely acknowledge that.
00:31:30
Speaker
But then the rest of this shit happened. Not to mention the in-between weirdness when she was like very close to her due date or her baby was brand new.
00:31:41
Speaker
And, ah she outspokenly stated she would not be vaccinating him, which was extremely concerning. um yeah and I think, again, i think this had to be coming from influence from her husband.
00:31:58
Speaker
Um, it just, it's again with the like new age and the alt right. Like it's, it, it, there really is. It's a weird fucking tube. Yeah. A weird fucking pipeline to slide down.
00:32:16
Speaker
i don't understand how they got connected, but they did. I know that she ended up, you know, after speaking with her pediatricians and stuff, like she ended up reversing her opinion about that. And she got the,
00:32:30
Speaker
got you know got the vaccines done and stuff um but it was like said she did she said she did but yeah yeah anyhow but yeah the one other thing that i think is really hilarious to me is that she still is like 100 dark ass goth like in her yeah In her style and makeup and everything like that. And it it makes me wonder like what her Christian community thinks of her. like Well, this is the thing. This is the thing. like I don't know. i can't speak to why she has maintained a goth aesthetic.
00:33:11
Speaker
um aside from it's just so deeply ingrained in who she's always been also it went it went to another extreme though too where she's like super puritan and she's covered from like her neck like to yeah her wrists that that absolutely as well blacked out a bunch of her tattoos that dude that honestly that was the thing that broke my heart the most i think And that's not anything to do with spirituality.
00:33:38
Speaker
it's It's just, it's devastating to me that she's made this decision based on what I feel to be um malicious influences in her life.
00:33:50
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And her tattooing has been her life. Yeah. And she has she that you can't fucking undo that shit. Yeah. I mean, like she covered up majority of her arms. i And I think her leg and legs, I think. Yeah.
00:34:07
Speaker
Yeah. Under her feet. But like she left certain tattoos. and like yeah but the clothing choices are so strange she's just so devastating extremely modest and like yeah covered up and wears this weird little puritan hat thing like i've seen her with it a lot it's like okay what are you well like i don't understand what is happening here yeah Man, um, don't know. the The covering the tattoos was really, really upsetting to me.
00:34:38
Speaker
Like, it's it's none of my business, I know. And yet, like, she was always, like, her tattoos, as well as her own artistry as a tattooer, a tattooer a tattoo artist, um...
00:34:54
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um were hugely inspirational to me when I was leaving the Mormon church and allowing myself to like bloom into who I've always been.
00:35:12
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And it's just devastating.
Lip Service in Christianity vs. True Spiritual Work
00:35:17
Speaker
It's devastating to to witness this occurring like i'm not even sure if she's still tattoos like right if she still does them i don't think she does i think and i hate that but i know she's still doing her music and she's touring well i certainly that's that's a bigger like red flag to me and not red flag but that's not the right word i want to stay the fuck away from her music based on how things have been going for her like i don't want to listen to any of it it's i'm not like that scares me i've never been interested in her music just because i didn't think it was that great it just feels really like contrived and yeah what do you call i can see that um pretentious pretentious yeah yeah i can definitely see that um there were back when she was posting clips of her music way back in like 2014 2015 when she originally started working on like her her album um i was i was excited by what i heard
00:36:27
Speaker
But I think that it just sort of turned into something that really fell flat. Like it was, you know, the project was put down and and left alone for way too long. And then when she came back to it, she was a completely different person. Yeah.
00:36:44
Speaker
And it was really disappointing. um but yeah like what i think like the the like real meat of what i want to convey in talking about this in general is the importance of doing that spiritual heavy lifting and like doing the shadow work doing the work capital t capital w to what come into your personal power to to to maintain a sense of empowerment in your life, whether no matter what kind of like spiritual practices you maintain in your life or follow.
00:37:31
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Like
00:37:34
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there's no place in witchcraft for fear. Yeah. Like fear is the anti antithesis yeah of being a witch.
00:37:49
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You know, like I remember this is like only tangentially related, but like it it ties in. When I fully came to understand and realize that the house that I was living in with my ex was absolutely 100% fucking haunted, I was not scared.
00:38:09
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And by that point, like, yeah, i had only been practicing witch cry witchcraft actively for a couple of years, you know, two or three years.
00:38:22
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And yet I knew i was like, them shits can't get me. hmm. Yeah. Doesn't matter what sort of like intentions they may have. i hold the power. I'm the one that's alive.
00:38:35
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But yeah, it's something that like, it was never even a question. Like, was it a little unnerving sometimes? Sure. But what isn't when you're like hearing noises from things that are like not living entities? Like, right. It's weird, but I wasn't scared.
00:38:53
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I was never nervous. I was never scared. I never felt threatened. Yeah. And like, it's it's not like I had done an ass ton of shadow work. I just understood the like belief system of knowing that like we hold the power. Mm hmm.
00:39:14
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Whether that's, you know, the power to like manifest or the power to invoke or the power to tap into ah the universal source and like divine messages, like we hold the power.
00:39:33
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as living, breathing mortals, like this is what we're here to do is, you know, practice and, but conduct our lives, like using that power and, and spreading like messages of love and, and energies and acts of love.
00:39:57
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And, I think that it's 100% sure true the statement that fear is the opposite of love yeah And so, like, if anybody out there has been feeling this really, you know, unsettled sense of of fear or uncertainty, whether it's pertaining to this weird-ass change by Alex Reads Tarot or any other people that you have followed who have randomly switched over to, like,
00:40:35
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you know, alt-right Christianity, like, you know, if that's unsettling to you, if it's, if it's giving, you know, rise to fear within your, you know, like soul, lean into love.
Final Reflections on Spiritual Awakening
00:40:52
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Yep. Yes, ma'am. who I feel really strongly about it. And that's what I got to say. Yeah.
00:41:06
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Oh my God. What what do you think I don't know. i don't know what to think. oh um I did do like a quick little look up on Google's to see what the Google's sphere, Google's sphere, and to say about about it And there's i put in there the woo to cue woo to cue opinions yeah and uh can i read to you what it says not if it's ai to be honest i actually really don't want to hear anything about it from ai yeah it's like it comes from various sources yeah but like los angeles times stuff like that yeah um
00:42:01
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but there there's basically it's like observers and sociologists generally view it as a dangerous and alarming convergence of extremes yeah a lot of it was how you know you said like they're not anchored in a belief system to begin right yeah um yeah like that is that is very that's a very good way to to to phrase it the lacking an anchor The Horseshoe Theory suggesting that far left spiritual ideologies and far right political extremes loop around to meet.
00:42:35
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Both camps frequently share a deep distrust of mainstream institutions, e.g. modern medicine or government. um When traditional trust is broken broken, individuals become highly susceptible to alternative narratives, easily transforming from holistic wellness to anti-establishment politics.
00:42:56
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Okay. um that like that was from like a magazine called Moment Magazine okay um i I kind of just find the whole thing sad but yeah i don't know yeah i I don't know what else to say it's like yeah no it's true it's it seems like there's quite been quite a few people who um you know started out Christian and have now become more pagan or yeah you know just general spirituality like yeah belief systems stuffs um and i i might even be inclined to say that like it's the people who started out christian and moved over into like the new age alt pagan witchcraft spiritual practices and beliefs who tend to be more rooted and more anchored yeah
00:43:54
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um because that is that is a very clear path of awakening um the waking up and if you have truly woken up you can't go back to sleep right um that is 100 true yeah and like i said like i don't really know what um Alex reads tarot's like origin story is. i don't know where she started out in her spiritual practices in her in her early life.
00:44:26
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um But I'd be inclined to say she probably didn't have a whole lot of like a a heavy foundation in any of the mainstream spiritual or or organized religions.
00:44:45
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um I think that that's probably a safe bet to assume. Yeah. As for Kat Von I know that she was most likely raised Catholic, I think.
00:44:58
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um More because of her Hispanic side. yeah and like you know she definitely has always gravitated toward like catholic um you know gothic imagery and iconography and yeah the you know gothic architecture styles and things like that um particularly like cathedrals and such but also what ah what else we know about her is that she ran away from home at the age of 14 and uh you know who's to say that that
00:45:30
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you know upbringing didn't really have very deep roots for her right she i'm inclined to it i'm inclined to say yeah that she's not not ever really had that that uh strong of a foundation in spirituality in any regard and therefore like that's probably why it was so easy to appeal for it to appeal to her um later in life Yeah.
00:46:00
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So, yeah, it is sad. It's very sad. Anyway, any further thoughts before we wrap up? No, sorry.
00:46:12
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I don't know that much about the topic. And like, I just, I mean, obviously i feel sad for people who are being drawn back away from what I believe is truly the truth and the light. Yeah.
00:46:26
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You know, it's It is what it is and know maybe the one day they'll wake up again. Who knows? Yeah, I just hope that it doesn't you know take you know some really difficult, scary experiences to get there. um That's their path if it is. you know yeah That's their life.
00:46:49
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This is the thing. and you know Again, not going to start down a whole new tangent and rabbit hole, but like we are all here to look to learn lessons and You know, when you don't learn lessons you were meant to, you got to come back and figure it out.
00:47:10
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And, you know, it's um unfortunately, you know, putting your head in the sand, as you put it earlier, is a very, very clear path to not learning your lessons.
00:47:26
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Yeah. You know, avoiding the dark, uh, aspects of ourselves, avoiding the shadow work, to here being too afraid to stare the void in the face.
00:47:40
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Uh, because the void is, ah is already inherently within each of us. And,
00:47:51
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I can't tell you anything other than it demands to be acknowledged. Yeah. It'll, it'll come for all of us in one way or another.
00:48:03
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it just Anyway, on that very scary note, I think that's been our show.
00:48:13
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00:48:28
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00:49:21
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Jesus Christ. oh