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Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
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Introduction and Podcast Welcome
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plot synopsis for Final Fantasy VII Advent Children. Former terrorist confronts the president of his local utility company to complain about service. Disgruntled ex-employees of said utility company forego a union, instead attempt to destroy the world and restore their god. Yeah. Welcome to reshoot amateurs in those suits. Too many movies to explore.
00:00:28
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Ruthie, actor and Ed left till the end. Let's see something never done before. That was so good. That's it. That is the best movie. I'm not giving an actual synopsis.
Hosts Introductions and Movie Familiarity
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Like, here's the thing. Like, one, it actually encompasses the movie pretty well. Two, like, if you're listening to this episode, you like Final Fantasy 7. Or at the very least, you've seen Advent Children. Like, you
00:00:58
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You know. Or you have no idea what's going on and you're just here for the ride. And you know what? I'm in the same boat. I have no idea what happened in that movie, other than what I just said. Yep. Also, hello. Welcome to Reshoot, an amateur's guide to gooder film. We take movies that we like, we dislike, maybe somewhere in between, and we make them objectively better. I am your host, Denzel. I am another host, squawly in heart.
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I'm your host, Clive Rossfield. Clive. Alright, so real names.
Guest Influence and Gaming Session Anecdotes
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Ruthie. And Hector. So usually, we always open it to requests, we don't always get some, but we actually got a request this time from Lord Reverend Dee, who has been on a guest when we did Sharks of the Corn. He is also the host of two podcasts.
00:01:49
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rulebooks anonymous and sparks of interest i think he has a third one but i can't remember if he does i'm a bad for i'm a bad podcast friend sorry d anyways uh so he was i didn't realize why until like a few weeks ago he asked for this one because of the upcoming game which by this point will have already been out heck my friend he beat the game after 75 hours he treated like a fucking full-time job uh yeah because it came out last week right it came out last week as of recording this
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and he he i every time i turned on discord or checked it throughout the day morning noon night he was playing it he spent 75 hours in one week in a seven day time span yes yes technically six days oh yeah because today so he worked
00:02:41
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He took, no, he took these off. No, no, yeah, I'm, yeah, because my friend took like a whole week off and down before it came out and that was his life for that entire week. Understandable. But I'm just saying like, usually like work hours, like when you max out.
00:02:58
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You max out at 80, right? Per week. No, 40, 40, 40. Well, like I mean, unless when you're rising grind set kind of like dudes, which over time up to a legal amount, at least in our state, which I think is actually 60 per seven day period. I mean, 80 would be like a like a health care worker. Yeah. Yeah. So he was basically a health care worker. But for this game, yeah, the worst part is
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The worst part is, he got through a lot of it. Like, he has one trophy that only .01% of people have. Yeah, like a platinum level trophy? It's technically silver trophy, but yes. Oh, like, the game just came out. The game just came out, yes. But it is silver difficulty trophy, but he got it, and it's like .01% of the people who got it already.
00:03:51
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And Jesus Christ, I'm impressed. Dude was blazing through the game. He didn't just go through main story. He did side quests, everything. Point being though, he loved it.
Podcast Dynamics and Speaking Order
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My Discord, he sent me essays constantly while playing the game. But yeah, this is for you, bud. You're never gonna listen to this podcast, I know it. So whose episodes are for this one?
00:04:19
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It's a guess so we can just vote democratically. Okay. Like the, you know, probably how they all managed democracy. Oh, horrible. Unlike Shinra, who just kind of ruled everything with an iron fist. We should have told Lord D to give us an order. He should have told them anyway. No, no to self in the future.
00:04:39
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guests can pick the order yeah make the guests pick the order if they're not going to be on or not the guest well if anyone actually no no let's let me rephrase that if that may any person who gives a recommendation for a movie picks the order that's what i meant yes okay all right so i guess agree who wants to who's willing to go first mine's pretty short i had a hard time with this one why did you say gross to my managed democracy comment
Plot Confusion and Character Analysis
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Cause I'm so used to having a dictator in this podcast. The episodes are. Oh, that's why I said managed, managed democracy.
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Alright, so I think, okay, if someone has to step up, I'll do it. Ruthie, you go first. Oh my gosh, okay. I thought you were gonna go first. I'm gonna step up, I'm gonna be like Shinra, just take over everything. No, you're going to, no, like Sephiroth, trying to take down everything. No, no, I am Sephiroth in this case. I know a little about the games.
00:05:46
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Actually, should we say how much we have history of Final Fantasy before we begin? I mean, I was about to... You're gonna make me go first. It's like my second life. Fair enough. You go first then. Okay. What I liked about this movie...
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Cloud and Tifa. Tifa. Tifa. Cloud and Tifa. So fun fact, I didn't know about Final Fantasy like super in depth until I was like in high school, but I had actually found like these Cloud and Tifa ship videos in like before middle school, like not like 2007, 10 years after. And I shipped them. That was around the time people were really begging for a remake, so makes sense. So anyways.
00:06:27
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numbers aside I've shipped to them for a long ass time so it was really nice seeing the two of them like actually seeing what the two of them are like without having like evanescence in the background you know what I mean ah yeah yeah that's that's what I was watching was it uh bring me to life I don't remember probably okay it's always the anv song she has other great songs okay my next like like uh
00:06:54
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I really appreciated the exposition dump at the beginning of the movie. I've only played like a third of Final Fantasy 16. You were halfway through. I've only played like a third, maybe half of Final Fantasy 16. And even then, each game is its own separate thing. They're not associated except by very small, minute details. For the most part, they're nothing alike. Point being.
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I'm not familiar with Final Fantasy lore, any of it. Sixteen is probably the one I'm most comfortable with and even then I'm like, I haven't beat the game. So it was nice to just like, here is the plot of the game. I was still very overwhelmed.
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I liked all the bits with Aerith in them. It was really sweet. She seemed like a really nice character. It would have been nice to like know her before she died. What about Zack? You seemed all right. Yeah. Zack's the best. Dislikes. I had no idea what was going on through like half the movie.
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Like I was trying my best to follow and Hector who knows a little like more Final Fantasy 7 lore, I felt like he was less confused than me, but not by much. No, not by much. Yeah, I was gonna say you weren't alone. There's a lot of this movie that I'm like,
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why was that scene there like this doesn't what's going on yeah so i asked my friend about this the one who's the one who played rebirth in like 75 hours he's a huge final fantasy fan uh i asked him about it and he's like oh yeah that one was kind of confusing because it retcons a lot just out of really nowhere like genova was all but in all intents and purposes extremely dead by the end of seven
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Like there was no way he, Jenova should have been a thing again or Sephiroth. Oh, he's gonna hate this bullshit. Jenova. Me. Oh, you're fine. Jenova was, if I remember correctly, completely eradicated. Doesn't exist anymore. Any of her, any semblance of what was gone. Oh, you're gonna hate my fixes then. Because that's what happened. I'm pretty sure that's what they needed to do to make sure that Sephiroth couldn't
00:09:21
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Oh no, because I don't remember. See, that's what I'm saying. This guy who knows the lore front and back is like, yeah, they retconned a lot of shit for Advent children just to make it work. Yeah, because they used the Jenova genes to make soldiers, including Sephiroth. And then to stop that from happening, they had to like, you know.
00:09:44
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This mantle her she's dead in the game. Basically. She's only dead in the game She was set for thousands of years according to the lore.
Critique of Movie's Technical Aspects
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Yeah, but yeah, and okay, let's not get too lost in the weeds Okay Some of the fight scenes had a Liam Neeson jumping over the fence and taken three esque quality to them at least to me. I
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Lot of cuts. Lot of cuts. The one I'm thinking of in particular was the fight between Tifa and the short-haired gamer bro of the kadash. The punch dude? Yeah, punch dude. Yeah. Yeah, and there was a lot of cuts in that and it made it kind of uncomfortable to watch. At the very beginning of the movie, after the dog running in the open desert scene,
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That's Red 9. Yes. The main bad guy of the movie, Kadaj, is speaking with a mysterious character who's under a, he's sitting in a wheelchair and he's got this white sheet draped over him like he's trying to be like a, like a peanut's ghost. It's the best way I can describe it. Yeah.
00:11:01
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since the the kadash kept like talking about a brother i had assumed because we were watching with sub that there wasn't a dub option the way that they he was talking it sounded like he was talking to a brother not about a brother and it was very confusing and i was like oh so the two of them are like
00:11:23
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already defeated, the action already happened, like this is just like a flash forward from the story. So apparently that wasn't the case. Wheelchair Guy was the president of the evil utility company, TM. And Hector and I were arguing about this through quite a bit of the movie, because again, I thought it was a long hair brother who was under the, who was playing a ghosty goo.
00:11:51
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And it was not. And again, I just kind of highlights, I was really confused. Then when we throws a lot, it turns it best to explain it throws way too much in the first 30 minutes. Yeah. Also, I made a mistake. His name's not red nine. He's read 13. Yeah. The ex, dude.
00:12:12
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Someone hasn't played their kingdom hearts. All right. Last dislike and then I'll get into my bullshit. Can I say one stupid joke? I can hear Ed's anger at me just making that joke. That sounds as deafening. I'm still a little confused as to why Kadash kidnapped all the geostigma children.
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Other other than the plot reason of the movie is titled advent children so they needed some children to do an advent The geostigma From what I could understand was like a
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It's like a disease from Jenova that only targets, I don't know, I don't know how it targeted people, but it targeted Cloud also because of that, because he's a soldier and it was supposed to be like they were under their control. And Sephiroth was supposed to like build an army with those people or something like that is what I think was supposed to be. I'm not sure though. Isn't Cloud not technically a real soldier though?
00:13:26
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Well, you got like a donation from Zach, right? I don't think so. Ed help us out here. He is a soldier. But he never got the Genova cells implanted, right?
00:13:41
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Cause I know he had Zach's memories. That's him. He, yeah, he, he had some trauma with Zach dying. And then, and, and with Sephiroth burning down the village or whatever, and him having Zach's memories is just him role playing Zach as a coping mechanism. That's what the game is.
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I'm also confused as to why the advent children are the adults gave half a fuck as much as they did about the advent children being kidnapped by kadash because they gave zero shits about the kids when they were still there and when the kids were missing. The only two people who confirmed gave a shit were cloud and Tifa. I have I looked it up real quick. Okay, cloud does have Jenova cells.
00:14:39
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Okay. Okay. He was given them after the attack Sephiroth led on that town. Because Sephiroth almost killed him. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Here's my fixes.
Creative Plot Suggestions and Improvements
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And I'm going to try, operative word here, try to make things a little less convoluted.
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Also, disclaimer, as always, I'm trying my best to just work with the material I have. I did look up a little bit of the plot of the game, but not like a lot. Just so I could like set things, make things make sense. I don't know diddly shit about Final Fantasy VII. My in-game lore advisor refused to be here tonight, so I'm flying by to see my pants over here. And I'm gonna set aside the game so I can do my own thing with this.
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I'm gonna get rid of the weird flash forward, or at least I would twist the dialogue from Kadaj so that it's more focused on his mission, restoring Jenova to her rightful godly status so that she can resume her holy work, destroying the planet and everything on it, as is her want. Keep stuff relatively the same for the most part.
00:15:58
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Up until the part where Cloud meets with Rufus, the president of the evil utility company, TM. I couldn't remember Shinra Shinra. That is the name of the company. Yeah. I couldn't remember the name until you guys were saying it in the episode. So every time I referenced that in my notes, it's either evil utility company or, uh, EU see TM. Or you could just say Shinra.
00:16:24
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My way of saying it's funnier. From there, I think, the vibe I'm gonna go for in my fixes, I'm gonna preface this now so that it might make more sense. I'm going for a Venom meets Dragon Ball in here. Wait, what? Okay, keep going. So the idea is, Genova's cells and body parts are scattered across sector seven,
00:16:53
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which is like the setting of the game, right? It's where the game starts, if I remember correctly. I played through the first like three hours of the game. I think it is where the game starts. Okay. Well, the idea is I want the characters to revisit important spots from the game, like ruins of places that people would recognize, like the brothel or whatever where Cloud Cross dresses, body part there. It's not the golden
00:17:23
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So I'll stop, I'll stop, I'm trying to remember, I'm trying to remember, because I got to that part. Me too. So Kaddaj and his brothers are looking to collect as much of Jenova, her body parts and her cells as they can. In my, here, let me, I'll just skip ahead. I wrote this, the details of how it's working and later on. Okay. Jenova is implied to be related to the geostigma. As we've kind of said, it's fuzzy as to how or why
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Here's what I'm gonna say. I'm gonna keep geostigma.
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But think about it like this, radiation can do a lot of really cool things, right? It can cause doctors to see like your bones and shit. It can cause crazy cool amounts of power, but there's also a lot of downsides to radiation. So if Genova's cells can create super humans, imagine what like, or in like a laboratory setting when they're being like poked and prodded and like fine tuned
00:18:25
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What would happen to a human getting like, for lack of a better word, a raw untouched Jenova cell, this goddess of chaos and destruction? It's probably not great. That's where geostigma is from, yeah? Okay. We'll agree on that. Okay, sure, yeah. Yeah. In my mind, what's happening is, I don't know, some kind of bullshit from the end of seven. Again, I haven't played the game.
00:18:52
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is causing Jenova's cells to reassimilate together a la Iron Giant, the end of Iron Giant. Spoilers, sorry. Okay. So the cells are collecting back together and they're reforming her body. It's very slow, but it is constantly happening. And enough of her cells have gotten together where there's like a finger, an arm, a bit of a torso, a kidney, I don't know.
00:19:23
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I'm going a lot more into body horror as I'm saying this aloud. And this is a kids movie. I think this is the plot of Jujutsu Kaisen. Probably. I don't know. Not all of her body is assembled at this point. Did you know an adult human body has 36 trillion cells in their body? Yes. It's a lot.
00:19:51
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So what I'm trying to get at here is while some of these cells are forming these body parts, the leftover cells, that's what's causing geosigma. So the former terrorist group from Seven, Avalanche, they're all coming together. They're like, well, not all coming together. The idea is like cloud is working like with one or two of them, and they're having these kind of skirmishes with kadash.
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over these body parts, but what they don't know is while Kadaj isn't fighting them, they're also kidnapping people with geostigma in the hopes that with the body parts that they can acquire from the skirmishes, they can sacrifice the geostigma infected people to bring back Jenova. That smells fuck.
00:20:49
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I was worried it was kind of dark for a kid's movie. It's fine. This is also like, it's, Final Fantasy games are allowed to get darker. It's a thing. And one last thing I'm going to say. The reason I said Venom is in my mind, the way that Genova cells work is they kind of like take over your body one cell at a
Character Motivations and Final Battle
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time. And the more Genova cells in your body,
00:21:19
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Um, campaign three. Yes. That's what I was thinking. Yes. I didn't want to say it, but I was thinking camping inspiration. If you get it, you get it. Um, anywho, the more Jenova cells in your body, the more control she has over you. So while she isn't like a direct influence on the world, her will is still being pressed down on you. Kedash and his brothers, uh, they're over 50%. Right. So like they're.
00:21:49
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full in on the Jenova stuff. Sephiroth, I have to say it like that, it's a fun way to say it. It is. He's like kept it at a straight 49 because he's just that badass. Sephiroth's back? He will be. I'm getting there. Okay. Give me, sorry, I'm seeing the campaign three parallels more and more now and I'm like, God damn it.
00:22:13
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It wasn't on purpose. I know, I know. I wonder if Murph, who is the biggest Final Fantasy fan I've ever seen in a podcast, listens to this. Is he playing his hand right here? If he ever listens here, is he going to be like, oh, I don't know. Shit, they stole my stuff. Seasoned assist. He's a DM. He knows better. He knows what's up. DMs know better. Anywho.
00:22:35
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Before the final act, at some point, like, Avalanche has collected and maybe destroyed enough of Jenova's body parts where she can't fully be rezzed. Like, most of the threat is gone. And maybe they're able to, like, get the kids or all the geostigma people, like, away from Kadaj so they're no longer a threat. Kadaj the guy, not the group.
00:23:04
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In the final act, Kadaj loses the kids and can't bring Jenova back to her full glory, but she can still enact her will on the world and resurrect Sephiroth so that he can do it for her. Kadaj knows that Sephiroth was not fully loyal to Jenova in his last real moments. I looked that up in in the Final Fantasy 7 plot. He kind of wanted to do his own thing and destroy the world. Okay, I was gonna say that like
00:23:33
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Did you make that up or did you look that up because? Yeah, okay. Yeah, obviously I think so. I I watched someone fight the final boss of Seven at the kids home, but he couldn't beat it. So I don't know why he was doing I came in really late I don't know why he was doing what he was doing. Thank you. Did you want to click just a super quick rundown? Can I finish this and then yeah, okay, so
00:23:58
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Kadaj knows that Sephiroth wasn't entirely loyal to Jenova. However, because he has more than 50% of his body replaced with Jenova cells, he's fighting with all of his will, but he doesn't have enough of his will left to hold Sephiroth back. And he comes back and then a cool final fight happens.
00:24:27
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They saved the world the end. The final fight. Is this basically the same final fight as what we got? I guess it was a pretty good final fight. Because that was such a good fight. It was Omni Slash again. Yeah. But this is like a really cool Omni Slash. I don't know.
00:24:41
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Sick as shit. I love it. So yes, it is correct that Sephiroth was not loyal to Jenova because at the end of the game he kind of fuses himself with the rest of Jenova so that he has full control to then like cast meteor and kill everybody and Kind of because I think I think his plan was to just like reset the planet or something. I
00:25:09
Speaker
Dude, I fucking love the meteor spell. It's so goddamn cool. I mean, it's a ninth level spell, meteor swarm. Yeah. Well, I'm thinking of like the one in the Final Fantasy 14 cinematic. I'm making a- I know you are. I know you are. It's crazy. It's crazy that in like Final Fantasy and other Final Fantasies, meteor is just a spell. In Seven, it's a world ending spell. Have you played the unplayed Sixteen?
00:25:34
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I don't want to spoil but one of them does I don't think really got that far either but there's a very good there's a spell used in a new way or not a new way but like it's used it's powered up for reasons and it is incredible like it's my favorite fight in the entire goddamn game and it is so much fun cuz in it you can just find meteor and cast it
00:25:58
Speaker
Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. No, no, no, no. The 16 is different. Anyway, uh, good job. That was actually really cool. Yeah. And you somehow a little bit of what I was thinking. So now I'm reformulating. Oh, sorry. Do you need me to go next time while you reformulate? Yes. Okay. Don't worry about it. Um, actually you kind of almost Nomura Nomura there. So good job. Wait, what? Tetsuya Nomura wrote this movie. You might know the confusing Kingdom Hearts director. Yeah.
00:26:25
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you kind of like got to a similar place without it being as confusing so good job because lord knows no more loves over complicating shit and retcon and shit when it comes to my turn can i just say what i would like a final fantasy 8 movie to be about like instead of it's quick yeah sure no but it's no no like in place in in place of my review or like thoughts of seven
00:26:48
Speaker
Vito, I want to hear your final seven. I want to hear about Advent children. Yeah, no. You can do the eight alongside the seven, but I don't want to just hear the eight. I don't know diddly shit about eight. Tell us about seven. That's the joke. Jesus. Jesus isn't here right now with Jenova. Anyway. Have you heard about our lord and safer, Jenova? She's not going to save you at all. She's a chaos goddess. Does that mean like everyone in soldiers are Jenova's witness?
00:27:27
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No disrespect to my Jehovah Witness fans. The pun was right there. I couldn't resist. Just, you know, give me a moment while I reset. Because that was horrible. And I loved it. Okay. So I'll start with my Final Fantasy VII, Advent Children. So likes. The animation was pretty good. The music was pretty good. I have heard a lot of people complain about the characters being a little bit different than they were in the actual game.
00:27:37
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Witness me!
00:27:56
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That's a Nomura thing, I'm sure. My only real dislike is what the fuck is pacing? Yeah, who is she? Who is she? Not in this movie.
00:28:09
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So here's my
Fanboy Character Analysis and Resolutions
00:28:10
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fixes. A fanboy, a Sephiroth. What's his name again? Quell? What? Who's the guy in the movie? The main dude. Kedash. Huh? Kedash? Kedash. Kedash is the fanboy. He's a fanboy, a Sephiroth. He dyes his hair silver. Like, he genuinely wants to be Sephiroth. Cloud was a Sephiroth fanboy, originally. Okay. So there's a lot of fanboys. He's a very well-known person in the lore. Wait, so he's like the buddy to Mr. Invincible? Cloud?
00:28:36
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Uh, no, no, no, no. Uh, Kedosh. Kedosh, yes. But this is the, but imagine if some of Mr. Prince was being good, he was evil. So this is just him being, but so this is a guy who, the movie implies that everyone found out what Sephiroth did to nearly destroy the world, right? But in this movie, this, this, this Kedosh here is like a fanboy. He's like, I don't care. He was right.
00:29:01
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So I looked it up to be sure. The Summons, and the movie does show if I want to double check. The Materia, the little orbs, do a lot of stuff, but they also are what you use to summon. So he steals three Materia Summons from Tifa. They're not Tifa. Yuffie. I know, I know enough, guys. They look so alike. I don't blame you. No, I just get the names mixed up. But, because she doesn't do... Anyway.
00:29:29
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Anyway, uh, she, he steals, Kedosh steals three of them and then just um, shits and giggles, flies around and just throws the rest away so no one has the chance to find them. Right? No one who knows how using material can find them. And then he kidnaps children, cause Advent children, as collateral so that the heroes don't go after him as he tries to, uh, get, look for different materia.
00:29:56
Speaker
So it'll be him. It'll be it's kind of lackluster and kind of lame and I hate this stuff in movies, but I couldn't think of anything else. So he summons Efreet in Act 1. That's the big fight in Act 1. Efreet. They all have to fight Efreet because how they all similar to how they all fought. Is that how they say it in 16? Efreet? Yes. Oh. How's it said in the context that, you know,
00:30:20
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Well, it doesn't have voice acting, so I just read it how I read it, which was Ifrit. I think it's just technically Ifrit, but I don't think it's like, come to me, Ifrit at one point. Anyway, so that's act one. They don't know what he's looking for. They're just trying to get the children. From that point in act two, it's Bahamut.
00:30:45
Speaker
I'm sure I'm saying that one wrong for sure. But he summons Bahamut, and right as they figure out what he's doing, they're all looking for the material that he's looking for, that Karjara's looking for, right? So along with that, same thing, they kind of beat him, maybe they have to use a different kind of fight. Let me think, what's a good fight? I'm making this up on the spot this time for the fight here.
00:31:08
Speaker
Oh, like which part? Which uh... Bahamut. Uh, maybe this time they have to use... Thomas the Dragon. Oh, easy. They probably tried to trick him to go into a tunnel where he can't really use his flight. Or like some kind of cave. They just cave him in. He's strapped. Or they can summon Tiamat. They can't su- Well, they're all lost, remember? Oh. That's right. So... They're lost. So...
00:31:35
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And then finally, Act 3 is when they finally all find the material at the same time, and it's Odin. Because I fucking love Odin. Like, have you seen his 16 form, Ed? Uh... I think so? Because I think I told you about... I almost spoiled a little bit about the Odin guy for you.
00:31:55
Speaker
I appreciate you not spoiling it. You can't now anyway. I beat the game and the DLC that's out so far. I got the season pass. I'm not sure if I remember. I just really love Odin in 8. Yeah, no, it looks really good. I'll look it up afterwards. So Odin's in Act 3, and by this point, it's Cloud, Barret, and Tifa left on the team. The others have to take care of the children. I like it when it's the original 3. It's a fun little callback.
00:32:23
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So they summon Phoenix and they can ride on top of him for a little bit. Then right as they get out in the middle of a cliff and it's Phoenix versus Odin because that's a fun as fuck fight. It's a pretty baller fight since I'm guessing Phoenix or Odin can still fly around on his horse like in 16. And then it's the three of them right and they're they're having a hard time because the fanboys just or Kaja
00:32:47
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kudash kudash thank you is full of like materia like he's almost overdosing on that shit and he's like using different materia and different like elementals to elements to kind of beat a few of them so he beats up uh
00:33:04
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Barrett and Tifa probably at the same time and then it's just uh cloud versus him but then he finds out the rare materia puts it on himself exudes the rest of them out and then is like uh and then he and then he pulls out a vial of genova cells swallows it with mixes with the materia
00:33:26
Speaker
And he turns into Sephiroth. Brings his hero back from the dead by using himself as a sacrifice. Look, if Nomoro can retcon, I can retcon. I don't care. And then we get the same cool badass final fight because goddamn it, I'm a sucker for anime shit. And that's how I'd fix Advent Children. I am sorry, Dee. I am sure he expected more. Damn. Well.
00:33:57
Speaker
So. This movie again, yeah. What's pacing? Who is she? Who's who's pacing? F pacing, I guess all over the place. I don't even understand the beginning scene with like the mountain and like the radio call. Oh, I actually do. I do. I can tell you why. That was the end cut scene of seven, I think. And they just brought it back in high HD quality.
00:34:27
Speaker
the ending cutscene? Yeah, it's 300 or so years or 3000 years in the future. So with the helicopter in the mountain, that's not the end. Oh, I thought you met the point with red. Sorry, I'm at the red 13. And no, yeah, that I understand because I know that's the end cutscene of seven red 13, like several hundred years in the future. And Midgar is no more basically. Human, humanity is no more is the implication.
00:34:52
Speaker
Yeah. And Midgar is like, yeah. And Midgar is the city, by the way. Yeah, I know Midgar is. Yeah, the animation, all that is pretty good for giving its release year, which was what, like 2005? Five? Yeah, pretty good, given that.
00:35:22
Speaker
There's too many characters in Final Fantasy 7, honestly, like I would have like, what's Sid and Barrett's like, point in the movie? What is Tif? I mean, Yuffie, I guess has a little bit because they stole her materia, but like,
00:35:43
Speaker
It's cool the bear was one of the original three though. He should have anything. Yeah, why wasn't he there in the beginning, but whatever I Don't know. It's just this movies all over the place And So, yeah, I'm gonna just stop there
00:36:06
Speaker
what I would have done differently. So I would have kept Kadaj and the three boys and they're still like, you know, part, uh, Genova genes or whatever seeds on inside them.
Confronting Shinra and Plot Development
00:36:20
Speaker
And all of that, all of the main points are still kind of there and they're looking for like, you know, Genova's last missing parts.
00:36:30
Speaker
But I will add in that when they first show up, Cloud notices that they're also carrying like a little container of something that's like, yeah, just a small container of something that kind of looks like what Jenova's box looks like in the movie. They have their own little thing. And I would definitely streamline the
00:37:00
Speaker
Like I don't even know like what why they would why the person would even like fight Tifa but like
00:37:09
Speaker
without where I'm going. But what I would do is that these three kind of go and break into Shinra, the electric company. And they're definitely looking for something. And that's when Ruth kind of calls up Tifa and Cloud to help these Sephiroth fanatics to get rid of these Sephiroth fanatics. And then they would go there. They'd have their little fight. Maybe Barrett shows up at this point.
00:37:39
Speaker
Yeah, because one of them has a gun, so that Barrett and the gun dude can fight. Yeah. And then the punch dude and Tifa, and then Cloud with the double katana dude. Will Cloud have his two mega swords with him too? He has like his seven swords in his bike, so like... At first of all, this is ridiculous. Then I saw the final bin, I'm like, oh, I get it now, take it all back.
00:38:06
Speaker
And I am actually kind of glad that he doesn't use the buster sword and is like out in the city, kind of like a headstone because that the buster sword is Zach's. And it's a good thing that part of part of this story is like moving on from that trauma, just like learning to live with it and like kind of letting go of the remake until the remake.
00:38:30
Speaker
Oh, you haven't played the remake? The remake is a remake of it and he's still like... It's not a remake, technically. It's uh... Careful, he doesn't know. No, Ed, you should play the remakes. I don't care. I'm not going to.
00:38:45
Speaker
Dang, okay. Well, they break into Shinra and they kind of get to the CEO or whatever and they start questioning him about like, we know you have some Jenova cells left. Where are they kind of stuff? And that's when Cloud and Tifa and Barrett show up and they kind of
00:39:11
Speaker
fight I'm gonna say that they successfully kill the gun dude and then when when the gun dude is dying and stuff he kind of like Goes to one of his brothers and like grabs a little syringe a big syringe Hits himself of it and like pulls out some of his blood or fluids or whatever and gives it to them, right? Mm-hmm and through that the brothers don't
00:39:40
Speaker
gain a lot of knowledge of where the Genova cells are, even if they exist.
00:39:49
Speaker
So there's a little kind of lull in action and Cloud, Tifa, and Barret do a little bit of investigation of themselves and kind of like thinking back through their memories of their like final fight with Sephiroth and seeing like what could have happened here like could have Sephiroth done something to not completely eradicate Jenova basically.
00:40:16
Speaker
Okay, and I'll say that cloud and crew and kadaj and his brother come to the same conclusion that Sephiroth was in the northern cave and that's where they fought him at the end and If there was any cells of Jenova, he would have hidden it nearby so they both go to the northern cave and
00:40:40
Speaker
And at the Northern Cave, they fight those two again. The Punch Dude kind of tells Kedosh to go look for the stuff while Punch Dude holds off the three, basically. And in that moment, they successfully kill the Punch Dude, but throughout all this time,
00:41:02
Speaker
Kedaj finds inside like a gemstone kind of frozen how Sephiroth's body was a part of Jenova. And he successfully breaks that open and takes out the little case that they were carrying in that case are Sephiroth cells, not Jenova. And he kind of joins those two together. And with that, that's where Sephiroth comes in.
00:41:34
Speaker
and I'll say Sephiroth just kind of is there and like realizes like you use the last shinova cells to bring me back instead of using yourself to
00:41:49
Speaker
like accomplish my dream, that was the last of it. There's like, it's impossible to achieve my dream now. And kadaja is kind of like, you know how like, when people are obsessed over somebody and the person that that's their obsessive like, tells them they're the
00:42:08
Speaker
They don't like them. Kadaj gets that kind of reaction. And I'll say Sephiroth just kills them. And then Cloud and crew show up. And yeah, they have the final fight in the Northern Cave again. Okay. I have a question. Was this the fix that you had thought up that was similar to mine? Because it actually reminded me a lot more of Hector's.
00:42:37
Speaker
There was, there was a part of like, part of it was kind of like, I had a thing of like, that they released Genova cells on all the people. And that's why they get the whole. Geostigma. Disease. Geostigma. And then after that, Hector, Hector's story and your story and my original and yours kind of like.
00:42:58
Speaker
put together. And I was just also thinking about like, oh, so all the end of the season itself. Yeah. All like, all three kind of sent tied together in your head. Okay. Yeah, I dig it. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. I don't know. Because the whole kadash turning into Sephiroth was kind of dumb in my opinion. Because he's not, he doesn't have Sephiroth in him. He just has Jenova.
00:43:26
Speaker
Yeah, I shit. Yeah, you're right. That is kind of weird. I mean, the thing is that Sephiroth did join himself with Jenova at the end of the thing. And that's how he became like Giga Sephiroth or whatever. Yeah, that's a cool design.
00:43:43
Speaker
But like, definitely, if you only have some cells of Sephiroth and some of Genova, like it's just gonna, you know, make Sephiroth again. And then he can't do his thing because he needed all of Genova to cast Meteor. Oof. Oof. Well, Kedosh could have just, you know, joined himself with Genova, become Giga-Giga-Kedosh, and then cast Meteor. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's it for mine.
Preference for Storytelling Styles
00:44:16
Speaker
I find out I find it funny how similar ours were. Without fully like, I use 16 as a base. We got a giant fights. I mean, I already told you my inspiration. Yeah. Venom, nad pod campaign three and Dragon Ball. So
00:44:37
Speaker
I trimmed 70% of the movie because 70% of the movie was fat and stupid and not part of that shouldn't have been there. I shouldn't like. I don't know if you've already noticed this about me, but I like usually I like more grounded contained stories where there aren't like. And this is and Final Fantasy is not a grounded story.
00:45:06
Speaker
Eight eight is more or less that way, though, because it's I don't know, like for the love of God, Ed, play 16. No, it's the grounded game you've been using. Huh? Is it on PC? It will be. It will be at some point. Rumor is in a year or two. I'll get it on PC. OK, that's fair. But yeah, I know you. Yeah. And it please let me cry. And I need to finish 16.
00:45:34
Speaker
please okay that's that's one thing i don't like about the new final fantasy games like the combat is it's really hack and slash i don't like it has this is the first hack and slash one i know but seven is kind of like that at least it felt like the remake it's not i've played the remake i played the demo of the remake it's not hack and slash it is a pretty good there is some elements of turn based in there actually
00:46:02
Speaker
Play it for yourself. There's demos, dude. Yes. Oh, Hector, do you know the art that is the blue worm boy from Elden Ring DLC? Yes. Yes. He's the best. He's the best. We must protect him. We must protect him. He's going to be a boss. We're going to be crying. We're going to be crying while we fight the boss.
00:46:28
Speaker
It's not gonna be a boss. It's just gonna be a normal enemy that we see, and I will never kill any of them. You're gonna accidentally swing your weapon and kill one once. And you're gonna cry. And then I'll uninstall Elden Ring. You were playing right before we started recording. I saw you. Correct. He got the bug. Anyway, so is that your recommendation of the week, Ed? My recommendation of the week is watch Code Geass.
00:46:56
Speaker
Oh, I thought I was going to make a gag about our recommendations. You can make yours. I know. I think I know the gag where they go for it. All right, gang. It's time for our recommendations. Why are we recommending Dune to? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, watch Dune part two. It's really good. Watch it in IMAX. Watch it more than once. I've watched it three times, soon to be four. Uh, definitely, definitely a good watch. Watch the first movie, please.
00:47:22
Speaker
For all you people who don't like slow, almost three hour long movies, just bear with it. Just like, you know, sit down, watch it all, get as much information as you can from it, and then watch too, you will be, it will not feel like three hours. So here's the thing, part one is all set up for part and part two is the immediate payoff.
00:47:43
Speaker
yeah that's that's the thing part one is just set up yeah and part two you get all of it everything that you wanted in part one you get all of it the thing about dune both of these movies is that the first movie is
Discussion on Adaptations and Recommendations
00:47:58
Speaker
very accurate to what happens in the book. The thing that's not accurate is you don't get to hear the thoughts of the characters that they're thinking, which is something that you get in the book. You hear everybody's thoughts all the time. They're always kind of thinking about things. It's a very philosophical movie. Dune 2 is not technically as word for word faithful to the original book, but what it is faithful to is
00:48:28
Speaker
the feelings and the character development that does happen. And it shows a lot of the stuff that was not talked about, or that was not on screen, if that makes any sense. Yeah, yeah. It does hit all of the major story beats for sure, but it is definitely very divergent from the source material, especially for one specific part that made me upset. But it's still a,
00:48:57
Speaker
But for as upset as you may, it made you, you still love the movie. Yeah. The movie is still amazing. It's still an A grade for me. It's not an A plus because of that one thing that made me upset. But yes, not, then that's the thing that now, now doing these two movies feel like a complete story also, more or less, we're going to get a third one also. So.
00:49:23
Speaker
That's gonna be probably not as successful as this one, because then he said that he wanted this one to be much more political. I mean, yeah, depending on how much he's trying to follow, I read the first three chapters a couple days ago. Yesterday. It was yesterday? Yeah. And already I can see what he's planning on doing, and I'm like, hello.
00:49:51
Speaker
Hello. Yeah, I'll start reading Dune Messiah at some point. I still need to read the comic, the second comic that you gave me. Oh yeah. So for everyone who wants to know, this is my recommendation. Ultimate Spider-Man, it's back. This time a new universe. Instead of teenage Peter Parker, this is Peter Parker.
00:50:18
Speaker
who was in his 30s, is married to Mary Jane, has two kids, May and Richard, and then he gets his spider powers.
00:50:28
Speaker
Yeah, there's more info in the actual comic that explains why he didn't get it earlier. He's just giving you the teaser. I'm giving you the little teaser. It's also if you're like, OK, is it written? Well, it's Hickman, who is like the best Marvel one of the best writer Marvel writers in a very long time. Some seem as the Messiah and the other and was a little bit. That was cool. One more bit.
00:50:53
Speaker
Well, he talked for like an hour. Hickman, Hickman, best writer. And oh, yeah, he based it off of Peter B. Parker from Spider-Verse. So, yeah. I read the first one and yeah, it's pretty good, honestly. Oh, Hector, we should go to a comic book store. I need to buy more Dune comics. There's one not far from where you live.
00:51:20
Speaker
from where we live or where you live or where I live. When I go to, I can hear, come with over the weekend. I can take you there. Okay. Yes. Okay. Oh, speaking of how much we love Dune, Ed, check, check our telegram group chat. I did get to do one. Ed just kind of pushed one on me. No, no, no. I'm going to make my now because enough time has passed.
00:51:44
Speaker
If anyone here likes manga, there's one on the Shonen Jump app called Kagura Bakshi. It was kind of like memed on, like people sent the guy who made it a message, a letter before it came out saying that it changed his life. Because it looked generic, right? It's like, oh, it's an edgy sword katana wielder anime, right? No.
00:52:04
Speaker
It's actually good. A lot of the memes stopped after the third chapter because everyone was like, oh shit, this is actually good. It's about a dude who fights a bunch of sorcerers with a magical katana because they killed his father and who made the magical katanas.
00:52:25
Speaker
So now he's going on a revenge quest. Well, not a revenge quest, he's going on a quest to stop them from getting the Katanas back. And let me tell you, a lot of these sorcerers are also gangsters. They are hardcore. Like the series is very cold-blooded at times. The first Ark villain killed like three people.
00:52:44
Speaker
that had a lot of good character details in the span of like 10 pages and it was like cold blooded so if you want some of that cold blooded shit like gangster shit but it's also like manga and like shonen please read it it's coming to a um if you don't want to get an app the first uh also this series had like international appeal before japan liked it
00:53:10
Speaker
Like, even they were like, wait, what the hell? So here's the thing, here's how fast, we're in chapter 32, I think now, right? And we're already getting the first volume in America by 2024. Guys, the first volume of Tokyo Ghoul didn't come out until Ri was already half, like a bit of the way, the second Tokyo Ghoul manga was already through, halfway through, or like a part of the way through. So like, this is legitimately fun and good. All right, thank you for listening to my spiel about a manga.
00:53:39
Speaker
Speaking of Katana's Watchploid Samurai on Netflix. You get two. Okay, fine. Fuck you. You talked about Ultimate Spider-Man and this comic. Because you fucking, because you fire, but you fucking brought up Ultimate Spider-Man. I had to explain to people. Actually, Ed, you got three, because you also went into a spiel about Dune. And he also went into a spiel about Final Fantasy VIII. He also went into a spiel about Final Fantasy VIII. Well, that wasn't a wreck, was it? With Ed, it's always a wreck. With Ed, it's always a wreck, even.
00:54:10
Speaker
if you like numbers that's the way your birthday ends with if the day of your birth ends when in a Y you hate Final Fantasy 8 Ed was born on uh twosman but yeah that was Final Fantasy Advent Children whose picks next I forgot it should be yours yeah it should be yours
00:54:40
Speaker
You know You had one it was like don't talk about children or something. Oh Isn't that the one you wanted to do you might have changed it I did change it because I changed it to rebel moon You changed it to rebel moon. He did Yeah, when I was supposed to pick that movie was I changed it to rebel moon because rebel moon was amazing
00:55:10
Speaker
It's Hector? I think so. It looks like it's Hector. Yeah. Okay. Give me a few minutes to think. Let me look through my list. Give me a second. I'll pause. For the next movie. I hate myself for this. We're doing the last Airbender movie. Anyway, but yeah, last Airbender film in honor of the show getting renewed for season two and three.
00:55:34
Speaker
This morning and you've seen you've seen avatar. Yeah, okay I was in Cora. Okay. All right. Goodbye everyone. I saw the I saw the first season of core. Sorry my bad Goodbye everybody. Bye
00:55:49
Speaker
Today's film was Final Fantasy 7, Advent Children, directed by Tetsuya Nomura and Takashi Noze. The screenplay was written by Kazu Shige Nojima, the writers of Final Fantasy 7 the video game. Yoshinori Kitase, Tetsuya Nomura, and Hironobu Sakaguchi.
00:56:09
Speaker
The cinematographer was Shunya Onishi. Go show some love to their various social media platforms. They made a movie and a video game, which is definitely more than we can say here. Headphones. Microphones. Laptop. Internet. Long ago, three nerds came together to create a podcast. Only now could we gather the strength to fix the impossible. Join us next episode for The Last Airbender.
00:56:39
Speaker
Goodbye.