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Happy Halloween! Who would've thought the movie was at its scariest BEFORE the monsters showed up? Certainly not these claustrophobic hosts. Join us as we fix The Descent.
We do not, nor do we claim to, own the rights to this film in any way, shape, or form.
TW: infidelity, death, death of child, claustrophobia, trapped, manslaughter,
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Blaming Sarah for Her Husband's Attractiveness
00:00:02
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Juno did nothing wrong. Yeah, it's Sarah's fault that she had such a fuckable husband. I know, right?
British vs. American Cheese
00:00:28
Speaker
Hello, everyone. He's like wheat bread personified. He is. He's like American cheese. there british Is there British cheese? I mean, yeah, there's British cheeses, but they're all actually, like, interesting and they taste good. They're not American cheese product.
Introduction to Reishu Podcast
00:00:47
Speaker
Welcome to Reishu, an answers guide to good or film. We take movies that are good, like this one. Bad. Why are you changing our tagline, dude?
00:00:58
Speaker
We take movies we like, we dislike it somewhere in between, and we may make them objectively better. Thank you. Yeah. on an off day And it's spoopy season. So we did a spoopy movie.
00:01:10
Speaker
Oh yeah, speaking of, and you did a really good job when Hector did the spooky ghost noises. Oh yeah. You did a great job making the spooky ghost noises. I don't remember what you're talking about. This joke's falling flat, dude. i added I added reverb to that one thing you told me to add reverb to. It was like two episodes ago. Yeah. I don't remember the episode. Anyway, ah today's movie is The Descent.
00:01:37
Speaker
See, we didn't lie to you, audience. yeah We just no got sidetracked. ah A lot. It's been a wild month. So, yeah so so we didn't plan, we really didn't plan this
Discussion on The Descent's Endings
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one out. Who's who so starting? Who wants to start? Yeah. So technically you had picked this movie, but I feel like
00:02:05
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youre learn begin with the ideas though i think I think we should start off with saying that this movie has two different endings. yes yes You can't get the movie with the good ending. You can only get the American release version.
00:02:28
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Well, at least where we are. Where we are. we are Yeah. No, I think even in UK, you can't get there. No, the UK, you can. You can. It's physical and stuff to the point where a lot of people didn't know about the American ending. The American ending is just cut differently. It's like they know it like a minute. It's. Horrible. It's really bad. It's just set up. so It sets up a sequel. That's all it does. Yeah, we're just going to go with the UK ending, right? Mm hmm. Yeah, sure.
00:02:58
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Yeah, you could find if you watch the American one, where it ends with the jump scare... Then you can what is the full spoilers podcast if it ends with the part where Juno the dead Juno was haunting her in the car Then there's an extra minute that was I didn't even pick up that it was Juno I just thought she saw like a lady vampire with hair. No, you know, it's just the makeup was kind of and if Yeah, I didn't I didn't get it the clothes were the same the UK good ending after the Juno jump scare it cuts back to
00:03:31
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Sarah? yeah sarah and the case Sarah waking up in the cave where there wasn't actually an exit and she hallucinates her daughter and her birthday cake again. While you can hear all the creatures getting closer. She's at a dead end basically in the cave. Yeah, it was a pretty good ending.
00:03:51
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know But no, people here are like, oh, that's too dark for American audiences. I think the executive just lied and just said that because they knew they had a hit and they want to make a sequel. The sequel came out like two or three years later. The sequel bait, I think, I don't think the sequel bait was what prompted them to make the ending. I think it is like ah an American audiences. It was probably like a testing
Impact of Test Audiences on Films
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thing. So I looked up some interviews from the director. I got interested on some stuff. One,
00:04:20
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He says, uh, it was one, supposedly it was just like one or two people who in test audience who just made a passing comments to like, man, that was sad. And then they're like, no, we're going to cut the ending like based off of that, which is stupid. Yeah. Honestly, some of the, or how do I say this?
00:04:39
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the pet the people studios choose or like i don't know how they do testing audiences but a lot of the testing audiences have some really like hot takes that are usually bad and then things get reshot to be so much worse i i actually know a little bit of how that happens i almost was a part of it once and uh from what i learned i went to school as audience members may know for like advertising and shit one of my classes was talking about how one of the top ad agencies in the US, Wyden and Kennedy, they specifically state in their contracts that they will not engage with a test audience or they will not, ah and in addition to that, they won't like do little requests like, don't do an ad with a goat because last time we did an ad with a goat, it wasn't received well. They don't do that.
00:05:35
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you You just write off that because they they get they get the results. They're widening Kennedy. When I was in Vegas years ago as a teenager, teenager there was a thing, one of the hotels had a thing where, it was a mall, where you can go in, you can just sign up. And if you're chosen, you can go in, you can see something early. I think it was a movie or TV show. And then you just give your thoughts. And it's supposed to be like the pilot. And they don't tell you what it is really until you go in.
00:06:06
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So yeah, I wish I'd done that. If I ever go back to Vegas, I'm going to see if they still have that. I'm going to do it. Like, honestly, ah they're for some movies, there's a lot of studio interference that makes the movie worse. But honestly, like probably some of the worst things I've ever seen has been because of test audience reception. I know what we just thought.
00:06:30
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We he just wish was I feel like a test audience could affect to fix Joker too. Yeah test audience were really fixed Joker, too He I know but again again. Yes, but like I'm just saying Confirmation bias some of the worst changes I've ever learned about is usually because of test audience reception. Mm-hmm Is also bad but test audience is Jesus Christ the the trick with a test audience is you have to listen not to what they say to fix, but what they're saying is wrong. A lot of the times, or just with any kind of criticism, right? they might Somebody might tell you fix, do have this character do this or have, like they'll tell you exactly what they would want. But sometimes it's looking past what they're saying to fix and looking at why they want to fix a thing that improves a movie. And I know that's,
00:07:27
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ironic coming from us yeah but like i at times we've missed the mark but we've kind of we've missed the exact mark but we kind of got somewhere in the target yeah if that makes sense like you know we're not professionals yet yeah all right uh so uh rudy do you want to start first i started last time okay do you want to go first and do you want to start first I'm looking at you, Hector. You went last. Oh, fair enough. Well,
The Descent: Plot and Characters
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I asked to go last. I was not sure. So ah we the context is basically the quickest summary. There's Juno, Sarah,
00:08:13
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ah juno sarah Beth, Sam, and Rebecca, and Holly. Holly? Holly. Yeah. Go caving out a year after Sam or Sarah lost her Sarah lost her husband and daughter in a crash. Juno cheated. Juno was the mistress that Sarah's husband was cheating on. Sarah on, but she didn't know. They go caving in a play, and Juno likes them about this cave. They get trapped. And so there's a bunch of monsters there. They all die. that That's the rundown. You should see the movie. but do You should see the movie before listening to this. It's a fucking great film.
00:08:54
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Uh, my likes. So we do likes, dislikes, and fixes. Likes. How the fuck was the caving scarier than the monsters? Like, I don't know. Maybe because I'm claustrophobic in real life, but like, ugh, some of those scenes scared the shit out of me. Uh, the acting was great, especially with Juno and Sarah and Holly. They were the really standout ones.
00:09:20
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The monster design was solid and the introduction with that one really good jump scare was subtle. mu Are you talking about the one where like the camera and the vampire's right there? Yeah, yeah. It it was so good. I really shit myself at that point. Holly was a lot of fun. i but bit is like I wish we had more from the film. A little more would have been fine.
00:09:45
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ah The Juno stabbing Beth was fucking brutal. I actually liked it the way it happened it. I don't know it just felt It felt cool. You're not cool. It just was like it it usually it's a cheap thing, but it it worked I don't know why maybe because we knew there was a friendship beforehand. I Like the cheating storyline, it's just so good show don't tell they never talk about it physically once. They just, you you know, it's like she all she does is she shows the the little ah necklace. She's like, I know, cuts her knee or her leg. So she can't escape. It got no words needed. I love the good show. Don't tell. I agree on that. I don't like the cheating subplot. And I, um I find myself really frustrated with Beth's death. It was so dumb.
00:10:36
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um Aesthetically, it was sick. Juno was a like a badass in that moment. But what the hell, Beth? You just watched somebody...
00:10:47
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go into berserker rage. And she's like, wow, my friend is in a fight response. Let me just walk up to her really quickly and quietly and like try and tap on her shoulder here in melee distance. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, you're not also thinking straight when you're that scared. You're running to your friend and probably can't talk. You think she'd at least go.
00:11:08
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Yeah, Juno at a distance instead of just like basically sneaking up Yeah, but then like the I mean the whole thing's a descent to madness. She was not thinking I I'm giving it a pass personally it's it's it's your like Also, the bloodbath was really well done true the bloodbath was really good well-designed It didn't just look like they just put sori like cheap pain or whatever. It looked like actual blood Yeah, props to their blood guy This is my weird dislike hear me out too many women and not long enough with Sam and Rebecca to either care or remember who was who. They introduce them really quick, two lines about what makes them special, one's a doctor. Yeah, I don't even think Rebecca got a thing. No, and then like, ah she's a college student, I think. Sam's the college student, she's studying to be a doctor. Yeah, right, Sam's a college student. Rebecca, I can't remember, I can't remember who they are. because barely The only thing that I can distinguish, Sam and Rebecca, is that Rebecca is very maternal towards Sam.
00:12:09
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Okay, but yeah, it just felt like it felt like they were padding. Yeah. When you could have just had more of the same
Character Critique in The Descent
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and I'll get to it. You know what could have fixed that? Making the movie two hours instead of an hour and 33. Literally every horror movie that I've seen that's two hours, I actually learn and care about the characters.
00:12:34
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Who would have thought in 30 minutes of learning about the characters is so much so so good. I think with this kind of movie, I think the leanness of the lean, the lean runtime, the lean, everything else actually worked for me.
00:12:52
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Which is weird, but like. But I'm with you about that. I kind of forgot who's who except for Juno, Sarah and ah Holly. Beth. And I even forgot who Beth was really.
00:13:06
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Oh, dang, I remember the trio. It could have been the trio in Holly. Anyway, uh, the American ending sucked. And I swear the executives were like, we can make a sequel out of this. Let's cut it. It was, I know Ruthie's like, it could have been test audience. Maybe it was. Some executive knew they had a hit on their hands when distributing it. And we're just like, nah, we're making a sequel. We want our own, uh,
00:13:31
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Was Paranormal Activity a thing back in 2005? The aughts? So the thing about the aughts is I remember that had a lot of really fucked up horror movies. Yeah. And this came out 2007. Five. It came out 2005? Five. Paranormal Activity came out in 2007. Paranormal Activity was all seven.
00:13:48
Speaker
Oh, I kept thinking this movie came out in 07. I looked it up on Wikipedia earlier. It was 2005. Might be the UK version. Still, I remember being a a child in those years. And my God, I hated watching movie trailers because everyone it was like, fucking saw paranormal activity. um There was one where there was like a monster under bedsheets and that scared the shit out of me. Oh, before I wake. Don't remember that one. What the hell are you talking about?
00:14:17
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These are horror movies that came out in the mid 2000s or the early 2000s. Yeah. Well, no, there was the the the title of the movie was like a part of the Lord's Prayer and like the end of the trailer, it was like a kid crawling under the sheets and then there was a monster in the sheets and then it pulled the kid under the covers and as a small child at the time. That movie came out in 2016. Huh?
00:14:40
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Before I Wait came out in 2016. Okay, well, it wasn't that then. There was a different movie. There was a trailer. Yeah, that's how that ended. It was horrible. Yeah, I get it. I can't watch horror movie trailers even now. They freaked me out. The whole movie? Sure. The trailer? know what nos ferrato that's I mean, that was different. oh That was atmospheric as shit. i'm one I inject that shit in my veins, Eggers. I am i amm ready.
00:15:06
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Perfect to me. This is a weird one, a weird fic. Oh wait, i I'm going in my fixes now. um I have two real fixes. Okay. Because again, I really like this film. And I was like, I don't know what to do. And Ruthie's like, can you imagine if this is the, she made some joke about this being the Minecraft, a better Minecraft movie than Minecraft. And I was like, can I do an actual Minecraft movie off of this?
00:15:29
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It made me want to pick up Minecraft again. I was playing this right before we jumped in to record. Yeah. But, uh, Ruthie gave me permission because I had nothing else to fucking fix. I like this film a lot. I really like this film. And I liked my fixes too much to change course. Yeah. So my two fixes. yeah Remove Sam and Rebecca. It's less character to keep track of, and it also makes everything feel a lot more claustrophobic if there's barely enough room for them.
00:15:57
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Also, if you're gonna have, they had, the colors were red, kind of a yellow. What do you mean the colors? And the light, the yeah white light, like the flashlights were like white or yellow. ah They had red flares and a little whitish flares. And they had green. Oh, glow sticks. Green glow sticks. One more color. I don't know why, but something about adding one more color in like the worst possible moment
00:16:27
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Like maybe the golden eye shine? Maybe yeah like maybe there's some kind of like weirder shade that's like oh maybe it's outside maybe it's like the phosphorus thing or I don't know or maybe it's like oh there's a different light maybe that means there's other people nope just some other thing of fake I don't know this was just something I wanted I don't know how to fix it so now here's my fake fixes for the Minecraft film
00:16:53
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I hate them doing this. I don't know much about Minecraft. I had to look some stuff up. I did a little bit of research. I don't know if this is good. Ruthie, Ed, you both have played Minecraft. Fucking correct me and beat me up for this.
00:17:09
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There's still four of them. Okay. This is a hardcore server, right? Okay. So when Sarah's daughter and her husband die, they're out of the game.
00:17:22
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If you die in Minecraft, you die in real life. You die in real life. I think we're going to switch from like computer to like in-game okay characterization, like a gritty reboot kind of deal. It's a medallat. It was a certain, you know? ah The cheating is still happening in real life.
00:17:40
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wait so they're playing like they're they're like full-on playing in a computer this isn't like a jumanji thing no it's in the computer so like you'll get cuts to like sarah being on the keyboard but yeah yeah yeah it's not gonna be scary at all no okay so the cheating is still happening since sarah's husband has an encyclopedic memory and a good men of knowledge of the game he knows how to make stuff without the recipe book which they don't have So he made an arrow of slowness for Sarah, saying that he only makes it for the people he loves, like truly loves. And then, you know, they die. It's a year of inactivity because it's like the two funniest people in the server. Sarah's daughter and husband are dead in the game, and it's not as fun anymore. So they kind of moved on. It was like a big whole thing of trying to survive hardcore. And then Juno's like, wait, guys, I went exploring. I think I found a cave with Diamond. Let's all get together for this little girl's night.
00:18:36
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But then there's secretly a bug where it's like kind of, this is really bad. I can feel the energy just draining as I say this. But like the Endermen are too fast and they zip around. Maybe it was, and maybe the Halloween update came early. So the mouth area is red and it's actually kind of creepy. Are the Endermen just instantly hostile? Cause usually they're kind of neutral. No, they're instantly hostile. They teleport all over the place and it's in the cave and they can't get out.
00:19:06
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Because they ran out of objects. So Juno accidentally shoots these Endermen with ah an arrow of slowness. Beth sees it.
00:19:18
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And then Juno just hits the ground under Beth, and Beth starts falling, so it was like the last layer, right into the ground where there's a lot more endermen, and then Beth just is dying. So Sarah, who is split off, finds Beth, who's about to die, and then she's like, Juno, because I guess it's like proximity voice chat, um for like the grittiness of the game. It's like, she's like, Juno, use an arrow of slowness. It's like, she what?
00:19:45
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Because I looked it up, there's an actual arrow of slowness in the game. Yeah, I know. Okay, I didn't know. i did You never told me this. I'm double checking. I couldn't remember any of the status effect arrows. I never get them. Oh, okay. Because you have to kill a dragon, I guess. I don't know. Anyway, Sarah and Beth fight to the death, and then Sarah staggers Beth with an arrow of slowness. Beth, you mean Juno? Why'd I say Beth?
00:20:05
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Juno, thank you, with the arrow slowness right as the endermen catch up and eat her, and then she's like, she gets out, we're keeping the American ending, she gets out, but right, she sees the last endermen, she logs out, and then the end credits is Sarah yelling at her husband, we hear it in the background saying like, don't the tags, you said the tags, you said this, and then she's kicking him out, and like ends up he's not a good liar outside of lying of omission.
00:20:31
Speaker
can i make oh When you said that so that her husband is cheating on her with Juno, and it's also happening in the game, I thought they were gonna be like sexting in the the little... Because you can like text each other in the game, and I'm like, Sarah, you fucking idiot! How do you not see that? That's even funnier. Keep that in tune. You can do whispers. You can do whispers, I'm pretty sure. I don't do a lot multiplayer. Yeah, fuck multiplayer, Minecraft.
00:20:59
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That's the only way I like Minecraft, no joke. I can't play a single player. I've played a friends house, single player was not a fan. I can play multiplayer, no problem, but I can't. Multiplayer's unhinged, but single player, it's I don't know, it's meditative. You just build a house. Someone doesn't play. But do you even build them? Do you play in survival mode? Yeah. Okay. Weird. What? Because survival mode isn't supposed to be super meditative.
00:21:24
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It is for me. Usually it's like, Ooh, I get to build my house. I get to make pretty. Oh God, creeper. I mean, I get it. I, the dark soul games are meditate the souls born games are meditative to me yeah to a degree.
00:21:41
Speaker
Anyway, that's it. I couldn't really, I like this movie too much. So I had to do like a bad fix or a ruin. that Reminds your your your little fix reminds me of ah this one very Really bad movie. I saw a long time ago starring Shia LaBeouf Can't quite remember the name of it right now. Well, it's a suburbia or whatever. No, no, no, that's Disturbia is is one of them, but there's another one a song that came out That's a Rihanna song ed where it's like if you die in the game you die in real life kind of thing also but ah give me one second because I
00:22:20
Speaker
No, Ruthie, it's... No. D-d-disturbia. The darkness is alive. I think so. But doesn't she have a song about diamonds in the sky? Da-da-da-da. what's What's the name of that song? Isn't it Suspiria? It's It's Suspiria. I'm trying to fuck with you, too. God damn it. It's working. Okay. Oh, man. When will Ed return from the Minecraft wars? ah Oh, wow. That was fast. Damn, dude.
00:22:48
Speaker
keep that and It's like the dad who went to say he actually came back with the cigarettes dad, thank you. Oh Yeah, it's stay alive. That's the one i it does not have Shia LaBeouf I got him confused with somebody else for I've never heard of this film is it it's really bad Well, yeah, it's bad It's it's bad it's bad how bad I I mean, it's the one that popularized if you die in the game, you die in real life. That's sort of online. No, but they didn't. I'm pretty sure a SEO came out after stay alive. No, no it didn't. Ed, don't Google it, please. Let me have this.
00:23:29
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and so
00:23:34
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Who's going next? I thought you were just going to call me ruth and i'm like roofs he What I liked about the descent? I liked Appalachia. I don't know. I listen to Old Gods of Appalachia. Apparently I'm going to talk about other podcasts in our podcast episode. ah Really good shit if you like spooky. Happy Halloween. um I'm super excited for the next season. It got delayed because of all the hurricanes, but I'm so excited. I'm going to listen to it as soon as I can.
00:24:09
Speaker
Uh, so as soon as I saw the thing, the little like info alert about what, where they are now, Appalachia one year later, after the horrible accident, I'm like, Oh, they're going to get eaten by mouth, mouth, man. Did they film in actual Appalachia? I thought they filmed in London. They just got like American cars.
00:24:29
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Well, because at one point I thought the roads were weren't American, but I think it was the the color grading because. Yeah, that color grading was weird when it was not. It was. Yeah, it's funny. It was fine in the caves. But like when they were in the outside, I'm like, but a lot of movies and like the the arts and the late 90s did that. They tried to make green work and green doesn't work. Oldboy made green work.
00:24:54
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yeah
00:24:57
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David Fincher made green work. Who? Okay. Yeah, that's fair. where David Fincher. Okay. These are all yeah really green.
00:25:09
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Uh, caving horror stories have kind of become yet another little mini
Portrayal of Female Friendships in The Descent
00:25:14
Speaker
obsession for me. So I had a great time. Also like I'm anti claustrophobic. So again, I had a great time. Lucky. Uh, there were moments where I was watching Yeah, so i ah there were moments where I was watching everything unfold and ah Hector would be next to me and he's like, my butt cheeks are so clenched right now. And I'd be like, oh my God, did I see something? But it would be nothing. And then the the scene where they're all in pitch black dark and one of them turns on the infrared and the vampire was there. I nearly shat myself. I hate jump scares like a lot, but that was so good. I wasn't even like jumped. I'm like, ooh, that's good. Yeah. know like
00:25:53
Speaker
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm going to hold my hand at the point where it's broken a finger or two. There were some jump scares, but they were pretty tasteful, all things considered. The caving got me more. The caving got me so bad in this movie. I'm like, uh-uh, never doing this shit. I actually liked the all-women cast. And I also like, yeah. I do. Nobody felt overly sexualized. And Juno and Sarah felt like actual badasses.
00:26:20
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ah And the movie was very cohesive, which in a way made it difficult to fix, but also made it easy to fix because you could follow the train of thought. Now what I disliked.
00:26:37
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ah First on the list, the Sarah's husband was cheating on her with Juno plotline. It just felt so unnecessary to me. I don't know. It didn't need to be there. I i wasn't vibing.
00:26:51
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ah The the group dynamics felt very plagued by this girl friends are toxic and shallow Mentality that was kind of pervasive in the early 2000s. I didn't just you know Just you know, I didn't know the girls were kind of bitchy to Holly too.
00:27:08
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Well, Holly was trying to do crazy. how you say Yeah. And Holly was also like the newcomer to the group. Yeah. Wasn't part of the original group. So, yeah, I can see the supposedly got a lot of notes from the women in the movie. The actresses were like, can you change this line? Women like I think it was like women don't talk about what they're thinking. They talk about how they feel.
00:27:30
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And I'm like, and and that kind of came out more. So I i think he listened to him well enough. I don't know. There was just something ah in the cabin. It kind of struck me that they're kind of getting clicky. And I'm like, really? Oh, oh maybe they filmed the movie in order. So maybe that was he was still getting the kinks out of the writing. Probably. They filmed this movie in order? For the most part, yes. thing It was one interview. I found all this in like one really good interview.
00:27:57
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and and Introducing Sam, Rebecca, and Holly in the second bout when they're meeting at the cabin. I can see where they were going with this. They didn't want to introduce everybody, a la The Hobbit, where everybody's thrust upon the audience at once and you're trying to keep straight oin and glowing and baron, ferant, da da da. You made those names up, right? First two are real.
00:28:20
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Jesus, okay, Tolkien. I have Lord of the Rings tattoo. What do you expect? no No, you're fine. Not you. I'm saying Tolkien. I'm like, God damn it. Of course he would name them. Well, yeah, the the the hobbits, that they their names rhyme. Yeah. Or the dwarves in Lord of the... in I got you, man. you and I know they're... I've read enough of the Hobbit. Yeah.
00:28:39
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ah
00:28:43
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I get where the the they were going with it. I don't think it was the right move because it did have the same effect where Sam and Rebecca look very similar and Rebecca had no like traits to her other than, like I said, she was kind of maternal towards Sam. So I couldn't pick them out of a lineup. They're also both blonde. So there was plenty of moments where I would mix the three of Sam and Rebecca and Sarah up.
00:29:12
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so I'm not being sexist when I said I couldn't. No, because there were times where you were asking me who it was, and I'd say, oh, that's Sam. Wait, shit, no, that's Sarah. Wait, is that Rebecca, who? Yeah. Okay, good to know it's not just me. It was just, like, introduced so fast. Yeah. It wasn't just you. Oh, phew, I'm not sexist, okay. Well. good Yeah.
00:29:39
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Yeah, I could always pick out who which one was Holly, which one was Juno, and which one was Beth. Even though Beth was also kind of lackluster in the personality department, I could always pick her out. But Sam and Rebecca, I don't know. I didn't get a lot of stuff to pick at.
00:29:57
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I know it was an aesthetic choice to have the movie be dark and as up as close as it was, but I didn't like not being able to see the landscape that the characters were working with. I felt like it was kind of cheapening what the movie was building to horror-wise, but I don't know. that's That's a personal opinion, you know? I can see what you're talking about. I don't agree, but I can definitely see what you're talking about, and I can understand that position. It's just an aesthetic choice. I would have gone a different way.
00:30:26
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No, I completely understand. I thought it lent itself to the whole claustrophobic feeling of the entire movie. and It did. It certainly did. and But I get it. But like... I don't know, if it was me, this is my this is our podcast, we fix things. If it was me, I would have shown the the what the cave looked like just a little bit more so that the audience could understand like some of these dangers, like Holly running towards the what she thinks is the exit and then there's like a hole in the ground. I don't know, you could have like established that kind of like hey, watch where you're stepping a little bit more, I don't know.
00:31:06
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Also, they're gonna go caving the next morning, and then they just decide that they're gonna get super drunk and stay up late, and then getting into a conversation about having lots of babies and traumatizing Sarah. There are so many things that go wrong in a cape exp in cave exploration, where it can be the difference between life and death, even the kind of caves with handrails and shit that Juno and Holly are bitching about, even as a person who's never stepped foot in a cave.
00:31:37
Speaker
i I can see that is clearly a stupid thing to do. And Juno even knows that they're not going to the handrails and shit cave. They're going to a brand new cave and she's totally fine. She's not, you know, telling people like cut it out. Let's go caving. I don't want you to be super fucking hungover. I don't know. I guess it wouldn't be a horror movie without dumb shit. Yeah.
00:32:06
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Uh, Beth watches her friend killing two monsters in close quarters combat with no hesitation, decides to walk up to her quickly and quietly, and interrupt her with her fight response. Bruh. Honestly, I get that complaint. I'm completely like believe fine that one. Aesthetically, I agree with you. that That was sick. That was cold. But I just thought the lead up to it was so dumb.
00:32:36
Speaker
should she have been chased yeah it could have been like she was chased or she was back to back with juno also fighting like vampires and she was kind of losing and juno has already finished off her two vampires and then june uh beth bumps into juno and uh do you i don't keep calling vampire because i called it a vampire do you know what the original uh what the idea was from for the creature Uh, you know how man, how early cavemen came out of the caves. okay These are people who didn't come out of the caves. They just stayed in there and evolved to be able to live in caves and stuff like that forever. And, uh, yeah, it's, it's fucking terrifying.
00:33:23
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Oh, speaking of the creatures, thank you for the segue. The creatures were entirely blind, but they didn't seem to have like better hearing or any kind of senses that compensated for the blindness. And they couldn't tell when a flare was lit. Like, I know flares aren't gonna be like, they kind of make flares nowadays. I thought they make flares so that they aren't gonna like,
00:33:49
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could be wrong No, they still have sound. Oh, no, they still have sound. I'm thinking like, don't they make flares where they're not going to catch fire if you're in an environment where you could catch fire? I'm unsure of that. Yeah. I don't use flares like ever.
00:34:09
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But yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. am I ah think flares are not supposed to catch things on fire. Cause it's like a weird fire, weird fire. Yeah. It's not, it's not a traditional like source of. Yeah. ah the The way that they, they light isn't like striking a match. Usually it's like sometimes. Yeah.
00:34:34
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But like vampires, like couldn't sense any kind of like heat coming off it. They couldn't hear it. I dunno. It was bothered me a lot.
00:34:47
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So, my fixes.
Reimagining The Descent with Realism
00:34:51
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Horror stories typically are either set up to punish characters for transgressions they have made or punishing them for the stupid decisions that they make. ah My two examples, have you ever heard of the movie The Ritual? No, actually. The Netflix one?
00:35:12
Speaker
i I don't think it's the Netflix one. Okay, no, then I know there's two. Okay, I've only seen the Netflix one though. The ritual and the Halloween franchise those are that's my dichotomy. So the ritual, I'll just spoil the like first 30 minutes of the movie.
00:35:29
Speaker
ah A group of buddies go camping out in the middle of the woods a year after their friend was murdered in a convenience store robbery, and it's kind of there the friend group's fault that their buddy died. Okay. And then there's a Halloween franchise where everyone's like,
00:36:01
Speaker
I don't know. In The Descent, Juno has a transgression, but it just doesn't feel like to me she's being punished by supernatural forces. She's doing dumb shit, but again, it's not like like she's being punished for it. It's just the story. Hear me out. What's scarier? Doing stupid shit, fucking around, finding out?
00:36:27
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or doing everything in your power to do things right. And even then it backfires and blows up in your face.
00:36:42
Speaker
I think the second, but the first is pretty entertaining sometimes too.
00:36:51
Speaker
I'm inclined to agree with you. This is one of the reasons I really enjoy another podcast blog, the Magnus archives. There are so many stories where again, people are fucking around, they're finding out they he did something really dumb and that that's how they're able to encounter these entities, these supernatural experiences. But there's some people that it's just, they did everything right. Like there's one girl who sits on a train and then the train gets filled up with dirt.
00:37:19
Speaker
And she's just like, okay, I guess I'll just lay here. And there's, yeah. If I just lay here. I was thinking the same thing. would you come Did she forget the world? Uh, yeah, pretty much. Okay, cool. And then she just woke up on a train, coughing up dirt. Weird.
00:37:40
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Um, yeah. And even if they did all the right, ah sorry, trying to get back on my train of thought. There are so many people that they just stumbled into the wrong place, the wrong time. It was completely by accident. And even if they're doing everything right, it doesn't matter. Their fates were sealed as soon as it happened. First off, I'm gonna take out the the dumb cheating plot line. I don't like it. I don't think it adds enough substance in my version.
00:38:13
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Sarah, Beth, Juno, Sam, and Rebecca are all expert cave divers. Or not cave divers, they're just cavers. They're all expert cavers. And they also volunteer as cave rescuers whenever they're needed. This is like Baywatch for Cates and okay. I mean, yeah, it's like a thing. I know. I'm just thinking like, dang, okay, very different plot.
00:38:37
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They are competent and meticulous. Maybe Juno's just a little bit more bold than Sarah and Beth might prefer, but they've been working together long enough where they trust each other's instincts on these kinds of things.
00:38:51
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The story kicks off with Juno calling in Sarah to get her help on a caving gone wrong incident. Some adrenaline junkies were found in a brand new cave, sorry, some adrenaline junkies found a brand new cave a few days ago and only one was able to make it out, Holly.
00:39:10
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june and Juno will mention at some point that ah she's mentored Holly. She got her introduced to the art of caving. And maybe Holly even makes like some offhanded joke about how she wants to be a rescue diver someday. She's so reckless, you know. yeah She'll be able to get in and out easy peasy.
00:39:29
Speaker
Because the cave is so new, Holly is relatively un- and hol Holly like made out of the cave relatively unharmed. It's decided that she's going to join the rescue effort because she actually knows how to maneuver through the cave. And since it's a new cave, there's no record of it. Okay.
00:39:47
Speaker
Holly has to walk them through navigating the cave before they go, but she's only retained so much information. Time went by a lot faster than she imagined. Maybe there's some kind of gas leak. She thinks she may have sout hallucinated seeing other people in the distance or something, but whatever, you know, hunger.
00:40:07
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They show up and we get multiple quick shots just showing how prepared everyone is. theyre you know There's plenty of rope, there's enough flashlights to light up every inch of the cave, extra batteries, chalk, flares, cro ah crowbars, hard hats, oxygen tanks with masks, ice picks, whatever, et cetera. They're locked and loaded. They're ready for anything that comes in their way, except they're not.
00:40:35
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The vampires are able to smudge the chalk markings away so that the crew gets lost. Quick question. How can they do that if they're blind? Do they just like smell the chalk? Yeah, it could be that they smell the chalk. It could be that they smell the chalk, yeah. OK.
00:40:48
Speaker
The flares don't work to stun the vampires because they have no sight. What they do have is the ability to hear the flares go off very loudly. And since this cave is very cold and damp, the vampires are able up to pick up on these temperature fluctuations that the flares would still give off with a chemical reaction. I wondered about that during the movie. Right? I'm completely honest. I didn't want to say anything because I like this movie.
00:41:15
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And I'm like, there's no way a director will will be able to really think of all this when you're all sounding direct slash right. But like, yeah, the thought did cross my mind. Also like, you're gonna have like a, ah maybe not a sulfury smell. Again, I'm not really sure if flares work, but I imagine there's a smell associated with it too. You think vampires would be able to pick it up, but you're getting the picture. They're acting with the best information that they have at the time, but they just don't have the right information.
00:41:45
Speaker
They have no survivors. Holly dies after she decides to not take the risky option. She sees the same path to leave the cave that she took previously, but the rest of the group won't or it can't reach the exit with her. Holly won't leave them stranded with the vampires, and before she can take part in their last standoff, she's picked off first.
00:42:05
Speaker
damn Beth, ah her specialty is spatial orientation. She has a knack for not getting lost, and she's responsible for mapping out their route through the cave and marking out the exits. When the vampires obscure her wayfinding chalk marks to the exit, it's Beth who's the one who gets the feeling that they're being followed, hunted, and tricked. She gets a nasty cut, but manages to lead the vampires on a wild goose chase through a particularly confusing set of tunnels where she eventually succumbs. okay Rebecca's death is one of the cues that gives the rest of the group that gives the rest of the group the information that the vampires are blind. She has a flashlight in her hand and before Sam is about to be attacked, she tries shining the light on the vampires to stun it. Then she lights the flare and the instant the heat makes, there's the heat, there's the sound, the smell, it's just so much sensory information.
00:43:05
Speaker
it makes her the target for the vampire that was about to eat sam and maybe a couple others that were waiting in the ring wings and sam's able to just barely escape while the vampires are distracted wait i thought you said there was no survivors what do you mean you said it wasn't survivors how did sam survive i'm getting to it okay i'm not done sorry sorry Sam, the doctor, or training to be a doctor, finds the bodies of Holly's stranded cave routine. She's admitted administering first aid or just inspecting the body, seeing if, you know, what can be done for them when one of them wakes up and attacks her. Baby vampire. Oh, the little one, yeah. No, no, I'm i'm saying like, if if we're assuming they're vampires,
00:43:53
Speaker
Oh, you made them actual vampires. I made them actual vampires. Okay, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. That makes sense. Yeah. a Good fun twist on it. Juno dies when she and Sarah are surrounded by vampires. Sarah calls out that they should just book it. But Juno tells her that she's too brilliant to think that running wildly through caves recklessly would be a good idea. She gives Sarah just enough time to formulate an actual escape plan before she's cut down by a vampire. And Sarah dies sealing up the closest exit to the cave trapping herself with the vampires.
00:44:25
Speaker
Why can't she just run out of the cave and then see blow it up? I don't know. ah Blow it up? Do they have access to explosives?
00:44:36
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ah Yeah, I don't think they'd be bringing explosives per se, because this is like a rescue operation. What I'm kind of thinking is like, There's a, there's a way where she can like destabilize the entrance to the cave, but she can't do it on her way out. Like she can't do it outside. Okay. I see. Okay. That's good. That's smart. Okay. She's sacrificing herself so that other people, the outside world won't be attacked by vampires. Okay. And yeah, that's good.
00:45:06
Speaker
Awesome. My turn. I think I made this ah film worse. Um, cause this is a good movie. This is a really good movie. So I, I, I actually liked the all female cast because this is how you do feminism. You write good characters first. They just all happen to be women like awesome great again I don't like the the the thing that I always bring up I think is the Avengers endgame feminism scene which is fucking horrible so bad it was it was so forced yeah it was forced and that's the thing like you don't you don't force that shit unless that's the entire theme of your movie like Barbie and poor things
00:45:58
Speaker
Either way, I liked the all-female cast. It was interesting. ah The whole Juno cheating. Yeah, also thought that was kind of stupid. Damn, the owner liked it. um
00:46:12
Speaker
It's just the perfect powder keg to go off at the worst time. Agreed? I just felt like... Not needed. Yeah. I mean, that's fair. It was just like a small thing that added a little amount to the movie. I don't know.
00:46:28
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the one yeah chef
00:46:34
Speaker
But yeah, I like the vast majority of this movie. Really? And Juno being the like toxic one in the group, I actually liked that too. And Holly also being a little toxic. But I liked i like the way Juno was written as a character and her motivations and all that, even though she was kind of stupid, but it was good. I liked it. The creatures could have been better designed in my opinion.
00:47:08
Speaker
They're just like pointy-eared, blind, pale humans. It's stupid. It's gross. I hate everything about it. but The vampire in Midnight Mass had better design than this. That was only one. Still. They had to design how many for this movie? Yeah, you can. Whatever. It's stupid. Also, later the budget was small for this film. I think Netflix gave Midnight Mass more.
00:47:39
Speaker
possibly but midnight mass came after like the haunting of hill house and a couple other mike flannigan hits so they knew that they had this this was indy wasn't it it wasn't i i think it or double a instead of triple it was pretty small scale the guy had done one other movie and then people really liked this asked him to do a different one he came up with it in three hours on his train ride home and then well the general idea that the little, but you know, he gave it the first draft of it, like in three hours. And budget for this movie was 3.5 million in 2005. That's a lot of money. In 2000 and in 2005. Yeah, but for filmmaking, that seems small. That's really small. For 2005. Yeah. Again, like this whole like 400 million budgets for movies. That's new. Like,
00:48:38
Speaker
Let me look something up. Stay alive. Right? What was the budget for that one? Probably really low.
00:48:48
Speaker
Well, again, that wasn't a good movie. Yeah, but it's around the seven million. OK, there's another. Oh, no, the budget. The budget for stay alive was 20 million.
00:48:58
Speaker
Okay, so no, this movie is tiny compared to. Yeah, it is a lot of other films. So I'm completely fine with ah like either way. Either way. Terrifier of its weight class. There's another. Terrifier three's. Terrifier three's budget was two million. The other cave movie that came out the same year was 30 million. This is a tenth of it. Okay.
00:49:18
Speaker
Also, Terrifier 3 is made like, I don't know how to explain it with words right now because you just threw that on me. But generally Terrifier 3 is like a very different kind of movie. The sets are more realistic. You can just hire a shop. They made actual cave sets for this film. Yeah, yeah. Anyways. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't ah as claustrophobic as I thought it was going to be, which was good for me. Yeah, same. Because the bird sucks.
00:49:46
Speaker
um And yeah, I don't know it it all it all was really good. The UK ending was also God tier ending.
00:49:59
Speaker
So how would I what would I I can't make this I can't make this movie better. All right. Because you take out your dislikes. you like I guess I don't know. It's still pretty good, even with the with the Juno cheating part. Like the only the only thing that could make this food movie better was just higher, better actresses. That's it. I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, they did mostly OK, but not not not all of them. The main three and Holly did pretty good. Yes. Anyways.
00:50:37
Speaker
Since you did a Minecraft fix and you did something else also, I'm just going to lean into the early 2000s found footage film circle jerk.
Enhancing The Descent with Found Footage Style
00:50:51
Speaker
All right. Hit me.
00:50:57
Speaker
So I will start this movie off as like true shot more traditionally as ah the whole thing happens and yeah, Sarah's, it all starts off the same with Sarah losing her husband and daughter in a terribly tragic accident. in the with the foundation no no no this is this is traditionally shot it starts off traditionally shot my bed right and it starts off more or less the same search service so through the same tragedy or some other different chart tragedy and then like a year later yeah Juneau gets everyone together and then like
00:51:35
Speaker
I want you to be very upfront with it of like this is like we're going to go explore a new cave system. Like this is like they're all experienced cavers also, by the way, like very like professionals almost. Right. And they got permissions to kind of like go into this cave and like map out the first. I don't know, sections of it, whatever they can find and such.
00:52:01
Speaker
And it's all traditionally shot all the way up until they enter the cave. And that's when we switched to the found footage style of filming. And ah yeah, honestly, it all goes more or less the same with the creatures. I will i ah i have this like image of my head of like the camera cutting in and out ah during the beginning of them just like traversing through all of this stuff.
00:52:27
Speaker
And then once the creatures start popping up, like it's more a continuous shot. And I also want to add two cameras because they will get split up in here also. And then we can swap it between back and forth of the two different point of views of like the found footage film on this kind of stuff.
00:52:49
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ah
00:52:52
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And yeah, ah that there won't be any accidental team kills in this one.
00:52:58
Speaker
all the the creatures or the or the the singular creature. So they have party kill off in this ah server? Yeah. And also i I would probably make it like just one one creature monster also, not several. You really want this to be midnight mass. I really want this to be alien is what I want.
00:53:24
Speaker
yeah valid uh alien with more than one ripley go off king yeah
00:53:33
Speaker
But yeah, ah the the the one creature in here will slowly like pick them off one by one, do things to the cave to separate them off more, split them apart and such to isolate them and go for the kill after that to show us that these things actually have some kind of intelligence or this one thing is pretty smart. And yeah, I'll just end it the same, more or less the same way where like ah
00:54:05
Speaker
I do I do want to add oh I don't know how I would add like because I do like the hallucination of a of Sarah's daughter you just see it from the outside perspective only yeah creep beer like it really does show that oh she snapped yeah Yeah, I guess yeah I don't want to break it, break too many like found footage and traditional shot kind of stuff too much in the film. But honestly, it could work that sometimes the camera goes off and you just you can see Sarah. But I would say that you you would only ever show Sarah in the traditional once they're in the cave. And then in the traditional shooting, that's when Sarah has some hallucinations.
00:54:52
Speaker
And then when she turns the camera back on, it's gone kind of stuff like that. And then I would end it the same way as the UK horror, where she hallucinates that, goes back to traditional pans out, and you'll just see like the creature like, just like walking up behind her or something. Yeah. Ruthie? I wanted you to finish your fixes. I ah remembered something, I was expecting Hector to say something.
00:55:23
Speaker
When you and I were talking about the movie, Hector, you told me that something that I kind of picked up on, as they were walking towards the cave, they mentioned that there were hallucinations. There's a chance that none of that was actually, but and none of the vampires were actually real.
00:55:45
Speaker
so Polly's dick just did that. no so um You know, the original there was one more bit of the interview. I didn't want to say until the end. Sorry. No, it's fine. No, no, no, no. I'm letting you know now. You didn't know that the guy interviewing him asked this interview was done like two years ago, I think. Like it's very recent. And he was just like, so were they actually real or because there's some evidence that the movie was that it was all fake. And he was like, originally, I was going to make it ambiguous.
00:56:19
Speaker
but I was gonna actually originally was gonna add a scene from her correctly where you know when she's in the hospital and the lights are turning off and you're gonna see one of them appear but if they did that it'd been way too obvious that it was fake so they scrapped the idea but they left hints of it in there because there's like again descent into madness too there's a good chance that maybe Holly's neck didn't do that, but maybe they did that to Holly and they blamed the- No, I described- No, Holly's neck just hol like just kind of did that. Yeah. And Sam. Or no, it's Sam. And Sam, yeah. It did the they just did that. Yes, the classic JFK theory. His head just did that. Yeah, so it just kind of did that. oh yeah um Yeah. Yeah, but-
00:57:09
Speaker
e a Yeah, let's say it's an A. A minus. Yeah, it's like A minus B plus. It's not my cup of tea. It's a good movie, but it's not mine. also i i Again, sorry, I forgot to mention this. I would also make the movie two hours to give 30 minutes to all the characters and also give them more like distinctive features to be able to tell them apart easier.
00:57:32
Speaker
yeah good Hire a black lady. True. What? It was it was super white. Oh, yeah. Yeah. yeah Like you have you have ah Juno for the Asian representation. Get a black lady in there.
00:57:46
Speaker
and you called the indian irish representation Yeah oh yeah but more acts accents also help with identification. Yeah, it's true Yeah, 30 minutes more because we because so you can get attached to the character someone and less less snappy is isms against Holly and all that I read a story online of ah some dude who took his date to who took a date to see this movie. Because no, what happened was it was like a first or second date. oh they The movie they wanted to see was sold out. So they were like, what this movie about a cave, let's just see it. They didn't know about the monster. So when that fucking happen they jump they're like oh shit it's the wrong kind of movie although that's a good gamble to make for a first date because isn't it the whole thing about like oh you gotta to kind of raise your heart rate and then you'll like that isn't that like that the secret sauce they're all bonding yeah no something not trauma but I mean it's the same it's a similar science to it yeah yeah
00:58:44
Speaker
I always think it's a little sus, but I wouldn't say trauma. but No, it's the same type of thing as trauma bonding. People go through a tough experience. Heart rates raise. They get closer because of that. it's this I'm not saying it's the same thing. ifs it's a sign oh I'm saying it's similar. Oh, so they're like cousins. Yeah. Okay.
Grading The Descent and Runtime Impact
00:59:02
Speaker
but I'll give this an A minus. The minus is just because we don't get 30 minutes extra to get the care get to know the characters better.
00:59:11
Speaker
picky pants. I like the hour and a half felt tight. Hey, let me be an elitist about horror movies.
Documentary and Film Recommendations
00:59:19
Speaker
We do let you be elitist. It's getting cold. There's days from like, and even in our personal life, like, Ed, please stop. Horror movies are the best. They are really good. The two best genres. What are sci-fi and horror? They're the two best at least explored in my opinion also.
00:59:42
Speaker
I feel like a good comedy is my favorite. so I like horror. I love horror, but I love comedies. Yeah. Media consumption recommendations.
00:59:53
Speaker
recommendations So I'm only halfway through, but I doubt the second half is going to make me unrecommended. I started watching the Netflix documentary. I think it's Will and Harper. Yes. Not Harper and Will.
01:00:09
Speaker
i kar I think it's Will and Harper because Will Farrell is a lot more well known. Well, yeah, because Harper is his writer, or was his writer. But yeah, if you aren't already familiar with it, it's Will Farrell and his friend Harper Steele, the two of them worked together ah back in Was it SNL days? It was SNL days, that's when they met. And ah before, when they first met, Harper was, it feels weird saying her dead name, she was a dude and they were friends for like their entire lives. And then she transitioned during the pandemic. And she was always kind of like a rough and tumble kind of guy grew up in Iowa. And now she's
01:00:50
Speaker
She's Harper. And Will, ah she mentioned to him, like off-handedly, like, I'm kind of sad. I can never do a road trip like I used to do. And Will's like, bet. And they go on a road trip together doing all the like rough and tumble dive bar kind of things that she loved doing. And it's really sweet. That's sweet. Wow. Did you watch that while I was at- Yeah, it's while you were at the concert. Okay. Yeah. Ed, do you want to go next? I think you're going to talk about the concert. Nope. I'm going to talk about Terrifier 1, 2, and 3. Okay. Talk about Terrifier 1, 2, and 3.
01:01:20
Speaker
Terrifier the Terrifier trilogy which is gonna be a saga because there's definitely a fourth one coming out Amazing they are the modern-day slashers and they are good slashers like yeah they they reminded me of like the original Friday the 13th the original Nightmare on Elm Street they are Much more gory and violent though, which I think just fits better in the 2020s now um I would recommend all three. There are... Terrifier 1 and 2 are free on Prime. Terrifier 3 is in theaters currently.
01:02:03
Speaker
that They are... Yeah, again, i I cannot stress this enough. The gore and like the violence on it is on a whole other level. Can I just hang out with you and we can watch them or something? Because I i don't want to risk that with Ruth. Yeah. This is going to be the apartment. And it's just really a time where I'm not busy and she's gone. So. Yeah. It it it is. It is. Yeah. they're I will say the first one had the the worst scene and I think they recognize that so in Terrifier 2 and 3 they don't try to up it the grossness of it they just try to be more creative with ah like the weapons and how they do the kills it's honestly great and I love I love the the the lore of ah Art the Clown
01:02:54
Speaker
and all of that because it's it's it's it's very vague and very like actually interesting and they don't give you everything. ah They don't really build up much of the lore on the first one. Actually, no, they do. Yeah, but they they build a little bit on the lore of art, the clown and some he has ah spoilers. He has some connection with ah the main girl's father.
01:03:25
Speaker
So. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I don't know. I like them a lot. Really funny also. Also, I saw Cube for the first time ever. Very good as well. Cube, horror movie, Canadian. Come out a long time ago. See you, B.E. I figured. Very good. Also. OK. Do you begin your Halloween on? qe Yeah. Cube. Very good.
01:03:54
Speaker
Hector, any media?
Dragon Ball Daimo Announcement
01:03:57
Speaker
I was watching something and I spaced.
01:04:03
Speaker
What was I watching? I don't know, what are you talking about? I can't remember if it was a TV show or... Tell me and I'll remember. Was it an anime? Dragon Ball? Oh yeah, Dragon Ball Daimo's out. Oh yeah, there's a new episode out tonight, I might watch it for bed. Dragon Ball Daimo, yes. It's ah before Super, it's a few years before Super starts.
01:04:27
Speaker
it ah It's it's uh, it was the last thing Akira Toriyama wrote and you can definitely feel it. He's expanding on lore in a lot of fun ways And like it's just it it's silly it seems to be more event that even the theme song I I'm not watching it on the Crunchyroll It's uh, so they actually say what the theme song says Okay, Crunchyroll, uh They are It's a more silly, it's like, yeah, we're going off to adventure in the in the demon world. like That's kind of like the lyrics. it's It's just a fun little adventure, and it looks very cute. They're all turned into children, or miniature, they're not technically children, because Piccolo is supposed to be the same age he was when Dragon Ball, when he fought Goku in Dragon Ball, and he's already a full grown adult, but he's chibi. So they're all just smaller versions of themselves. It's very fun.
01:05:18
Speaker
Um, yeah, but the team, they did wish for him for them to be children, turned them into children, first graders. It was, yes, it was a big bad of the show. Yeah. Wish for that. Um, also I thought this was supposed to be like, this is like the rewriting of GT, right?
01:05:36
Speaker
Sort of, what happened was, so if I understand it correctly, I know Kiritoriyama was on record saying he wishes he thought of the Goku turning into a child thing. Because that was such, that was an actually good idea he said. From GT? Yes. So he, I guess he thought about like, wait, why not just have them all, a lot of them be turned into children? And also like, why not? And he just kind of built on that. It's so far, it's looking like fun little Dragon Ball adventures and exploration, more than just fights.
01:06:03
Speaker
oh Yeah, so it's I've only there's only two episodes as well third now as I've seen as I'm we're recording this But I haven't seen it yet. It's the third one me neither But it's fun as a big Dragon Ball fan. It's a lot of fun yeah I watched the first episodes of my roommates and we watched it on Crunchyroll and we watched it subbed and oh my God, I hate Goku's voice I mean, she's been doing it for like 50 years. I know, but I i i am used to Dragon Ball Z, like, dub, his dub voice. Oh, yeah. So like, I just can't handle how high pitched it is. i mean that I mean, if anything, it's perfect because that was the same voice she used with Kid Goku.
01:06:44
Speaker
in the original i i can't handle it i don't mind it i mean i can't handle it finally they changed everyone else's voice actors because they're younger versions but she still fits i can't not to handle it that's fine i hate everything about it and what she she's created voice actor nothing against the voice actress she's great just can't handle it no i just get it that that voice with goku not not my thing what was the last naruto's kid voice kind of really annoys me in english or yeah It's the same lady! No, but like... It's Raspier. What? Naruto's voice is Raspier.
01:07:23
Speaker
Yeah, and Shippuden, he kind of grows up a little, but it's the combination of the voice itself, like the the way that the the voice actress for Naruto is producing the voice, and the stupid shit he says, it just drives me kind of up a wall sometimes. I read Naruto, I didn't watch it, so I... You skipped that, yeah. i don't know I don't know what you're talking ah about, I'm sorry. Naruto...
01:07:52
Speaker
huh What on earth are you on about? I've just never... Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Oh, I beat Dark Souls 2. It was okay. It was okay. It was okay. It's not the worst game I've ever played. It's not the worst game I've beaten that goes beyond those things. Oh, you haven't done the frigid outskirts run back. I didn't do... I forgot.
01:08:16
Speaker
I hit New Game Plus before I told it I was gonna do it, and then I hit New Game Plus without thinking, so I can't go back. Um... Well, no, you can. You can just play the New Game Plus version and just go straight to the DLC. Fuck that. I got attacked as literally this first second I popped into the world in New Game Plus. Like, they changed everything up, and it is fucking hell. So, no. But, uh, I-I like tough. I-I'm a masochist. I'm not that much of a masochist. Like, that's...
01:08:42
Speaker
Here's the deal Hector. I'm gonna I'm gonna play Dark Souls 2 I'm gonna get to the fridge, you know, it's good. You're gonna quit you're gonna quit halfway through I'm going to Try the run back and then I'm gonna stay there and then you're gonna do the run back. You're not going to get ah Okay, I'll do that's fair I need to beat Dark Souls 1 first. yep Oh, beat Dark Souls 1. I love Dark Souls 1. They're all good. I i mean, Dark Souls is okay, but it's still good. That's it. What are we doing next? Is it my pick?
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01:09:14
Speaker
I think it's your pick, yeah. I want to do As Above, So Below. No, it's it's just the Buried and I don't like it ah for context, it's from the Magnus archives.
01:09:24
Speaker
Yeah, you know it is. It is definitely the the buried. Is it more claustrophobia shit? Yeah. Yes. Fuck Ruthie. Yeah. You got me in a mood. The buried and I don't like it. Okay. So yeah, join us next time for As Above. so As Above, So Below. Man, we did not say that at all. I knew you were really close at the same time. was As Above, So Below. Fuck. I was trying to say. i was trying to say me one part and you one part as above so below yeah no i thought you were just gonna say it wrong so i was saying it correctly i would do that anyway have a good day everyone and maybe even good night no good evening yes good morning not good night good evenings on thin fucking ice
01:10:15
Speaker
to- Today's film was The Descent, directed by Neil Marshall. The writer was Neil Marshall, and the cinematographer was Sam McCurdy. Go show some love to their various social media accounts. They made a movie, which is more than we can say here. Happy Halloween.