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Dragonball Evolution
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Introduction to Reshoot Podcast
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lovely audience please don your superman costume and uh head into the closet this is date night ball of volition
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Hello, everyone. Welcome to Reshoot, Namsher's guide to good or film. We take your least favorite movie, your favorite movie, or maybe somewhere in between, and we make it objectively better. Not so much around the tagline we already we have. All right. Today, as you can see by the title, if you can read, it's really nice to read.
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ah
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my My... Maybe we should introduce ourselves. All right. I am your host, Ruthie. I'm your host, Hector. Kakarot? No, um, there's a perfect lot of that, y'all. Uh, today we're doing Trick and Ball Evolution, a movie that was much worse than I
Discussion on Dragon Ball Evolution's Flaws
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remembered it being. Oh, yeah, that, I mean, I, it's infamous for being how bad it is. And, uh, yeah, it lives up to his reputation. Yeah, Jesus Christ. Uh, so, I don't even want to go over the
00:01:25
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Should I go with plot summary with me? I mean, it's such a basic plot. it's It's an Americanized version of Dragon Ball. Goku's in high school. Goku's in high school. ah He has some conflict with his dad. Oh no, his dad dies before he can learn his secret backstory. Oh no, very sad. Also, he keeps calling him grandpa, but Gohan is his dad. The age difference isn't as apparent in this one.
00:01:52
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Well, no, because Gohan was his dad in the original. Like he called him grandpa, though. Yeah, but like, yeah, it was a father-son relationship. Yeah. All they had was each other. Anywho, Boma breaks in, they decide we're gonna team up to get the Dragon Balls together, and then they stock up on allies, and, uh, Piccolo is the bad guy, um, Chi-Chi is there, Yamcha, Roshi. God, Yamcha did nothing. Like, the entire movie. Just, yeah. He just kinda was there. Yeah. I mean, I liked the actor. I think the actor- Yeah, the actors are fine in this film. Sorry, keep going.
00:02:31
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But yeah, um there's a they keep talking about an ally to Piccolo named Ozaru. Ozaru is not a character from the original Dragon Ball universe. It turns out he was Goku all along! Oh no!
00:02:47
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oh um Goku realizes in the middle of the fight that, no, he's not Uzaru, he's Goku, he's gonna be a good guy now, it's fine, and ah kicks Piccolo's ass maybe over. The accidental implication that Goku is a royal Saiyan. How are they gonna do the Saiyans? I don't think they thought that far ahead. Yeah! That makes no goddamn sense then!
00:03:10
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uh because they wanted piccolo to be emperor pilaf piccolo and frieza yeah but yeah they didn't want to like so i don't know they didn't want to trudge on the ip despite having the ip yeah piccolo isn't just piccolo he's not like any one of the dragon ball villains he's like a mishmash of all of them for some reason because they couldn't decide what like threat level so of course they had to do oh if piccolo returns to the earth and he gets his wish he's gonna destroy the whole world well the implication also was that he was trapped in like the mafune jar but where was the jar they're so i feel like they cut half the movie
00:03:57
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Yeah, to make it even stup- I imagine the first iteration of the script was actually half decent and some executive was like, no, I have a degree in business, we can make this much more palatable to the American audience. Yeah, I could- there was some stuff that made me think, hmm, there's some cuts here, like they cut a lot. Man,
00:04:18
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I like Dragon Ball
Personal Connections to Dragon Ball
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2. Oh, yeah. I grew up watching Dragon Ball when I was a kid. I don't think it was the actual episodes, but I remember like watching the Frieza arc, so it must have been some rerun. I was allowed i started to watch a Little Empirico. I want to say, looking back on it, considering there was Super Saiyan, there was some bits of the... I think it was the Android arc. I thought it was three, so I'm not sure if that was out.
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Oh yeah, it was definitely a rerun for me because it came out in 89. Yeah, well, it came to America later, but I don't remember. um Maybe it was the Earth. Maybe it was the Saint Mark? Anyway, I saw like five seconds. My mom's like, no, that's violent. I mean, I was three. I don't fully blame her. And then she like, I saw those cooks are floating, you know, I've never seen a show where people flew. I mean, yeah, ah similar experience. My mom didn't like disapprove of it or she didn't like ban it but i think she did disapprove of it um i did still end up watching quite a bit nice yeah uh three-year-old me pretty badass i'll try that with fairly odd parents my mom called me after my mom fairly odd parents was my shit the ironic part was uh there were so many bright flashing lights that i remember and i was not allowed to watch pokemon as a kid because of the seizure stuff i don't know just funny
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It's funny.
Favorite Dragon Ball Characters
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All right, quickly, who's your favorite Dragon Ball character? Go on. You'd love the superhero movie. i It's either Vegeta or Piccolo. I don't pick the good ones, especially since it's arguably more Vegeta. Yeah. I'm sorry, Chris Sabat. They're there.
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um All right, so we usually do a system of likes, dislikes, and then our fixes. Could we just, you know, make the movie better?
Podcast Format Explanation
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You are technically episode size odd. Yeah. Also, if you're wondering, Ed's not here because he was on a trip.
00:06:24
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And he refuses to watch this movie. Yeah. So it's date night. Uh, so, so um I'll go for, I'll go first. All right. The likes, they actually got Roshi mostly right. That's legit. And but of all the stuff that I'm sure they cut and changed, the fact that they got Roshi 98% of the way, right. And they mostly just turned down the pervinous, which valid. I'm surprised they kept the pervinous. Yeah. Of all the traits.
00:06:49
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And then like the glass, I wish I got the sunglasses though. And the bald. And the bald. I assume the actor was like, I don't want to go bald, but like just wear the bald cap. Just wear the bald cap. Also turtle. Yeah, that was the turtle. This movie led to Akira Toriyama coming back to make more Dragon Ball, which is fucking love it. so ah Return of the King. Yeah.
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If y'all have seen Dragon Ball Super Broly, if you haven't seen it, watch it. It's the best Dragon Ball fight, I think, in my opinion. Alright, that's all my likes.
00:07:25
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Dislikes, the CGI looks cheap. ah The Nexus, like, the fights aren't good. There's too many cuts and there's no real martial artists, which... ah It's a martial arts move. Dragon Ball, especially, was pure martial arts. Also, hashtag not my Goku.
00:07:45
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So it's in the middle, so my fixes. It's in a middle school. Goku has a tail and he lives with Grandpa Gohan and like up in the mountain. He comes down to school every day.
Hector's Suggestions for Movie Improvement
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He has a friend named Krillin who's also a martial arts geek. Believes to go after Goku and then especially at his house but he doesn't, promise he promised not to fight them so he just kind of dodges them until they get tired.
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Krillin fights them regularly but still ends up losing when it's just one dude as he starts to kind of overthink. He also has a different fighting style than Goku, which comes in later. Okay. I think it was more precise. If I remember my Dragon Ball lore correctly, you'll see why in a sec. Goku tries to be friends with Chi-Chi, who's also in his class. He can be innately tell she's strong, but she plays it off in front of everyone that it's like, no, no, no, she just wants to be normal.
00:08:36
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ah look everyone i had to do something different if i just if if it was my real fix i just say just watch the fucking just watch dragon ball which is the behind the screen scenes that's our one rule you're not allowed to say just don't make the movie or just repeat the source material so i'm kind of trying to see if i can get what they're trying to do with modernizing it god i hate saying it like that while also doing my own thing so goku's training with gohan at night to learn more about Ki because, you know, to see if it's really working. You better deny it, I guess. And then he gets knocked out by Gohan. The next thing he knows is that Gohan's gone. Goku meets Bulma, and they go for Master Roshi. She wants to collect the Dragon Balls.
00:09:23
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Because the Red Ribbon Army kidnapped her dad to make weapons. Because he's also an adventurer. So this whole middle of the movie is them going on an adventure with Roshi as Roshi trains Goku when they look for the Dragon Balls. Kinda like what the movie was doing, but better. I mean, hopefully.
00:09:41
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Yamcha joins him after he traps him in the pit, but he's he's doing it for riches, but he actually just wants a girlfriend. I like the idea of Bulma doing it for a boyfriend, but flip it around a little. ah halfway through they ah about Halfway through this midway point, they find Krillin, who's wearing the green gi of the crane school, hence the different fighting style. because you know But that was go home school Gohan's Gohan was trained by Roshi, oh who was the turtle school. okay It was Master Shen who was in the... So I'm introducing, and instead of having Chiaotzu, it's Krillin. I know, I know. dragon Sparking Zero taught me the true power of Chiaotzu, but it was, you know, I wanted to keep the Krillin bit in there. I like Krillin. I actually really like Krillin.
00:10:29
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And he's, so it's Krillin, Tien, and Master Shen. And Krillin and Tien can fly, because the crane school canonically made the flying technique and in Earth, discovered it. So Krillin and Tien can fly, and Goku's jumping around and using the power pole, the extension feature. They had it in the movie for five seconds, they don't use it. Not frustrating, like if you guys haven't seen Dragon Ball Daima, they've been using the power pole again, and it's so fun.
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Do they use Nimbus? No, it's another world, so no. It sucks. At one point you think he's about to use Nimbus, and then he just... They're like, no, I can fly again. It's like, no, stop it, Goku. Go back.
00:11:14
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um So yeah, Yamcha's throwing rocks to get Tien down, that's his rival. So yeah, Yamcha's fighting with the wolf fang face against Tien. Goku's using the power pull to kind of catch up to Krillin. One thing I would like is Goku can use the Kamehameha as soon as he's Roshi do it, but he can't do it well at all.
00:11:36
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He can't control the beam and he pops a tire like the original. So it's a little messy. ah ah The next fix, the main enemy of the movie is Pilaf, who along with May will use a giant robot in the fight. What? I was also gonna do Emperor Pilaf. I mean, he's a Red Room Barbie. It makes sense. yeah So Roshi has been making sure Goku never sees the moon like it's just subtle and then like it starts to become more and more obvious as soon as the full moon you know and at this point he's like it's desperate in the fight against the mech right it's not working he blows a hole in the factory where he sees Goku use the moon where Goku sees the moon he turns into a nozaru then while he's turning Goku's kind of realized in the back of his mind like oh I I killed Gohan that night and that's how I'm the original yeah
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But yeah, he kind of realizes what happened. Uh, I like to think Gohan with, you know, being a good person was able to be like, I forgive you, Goku. And then, uh, yeah. And then Goku wins. Of course, it's a giant robot versus a giant monkey. Monkey wins. uga bo And, uh, as well learned from Godzilla B. Kong, uh, monkey versus robot monkey.
00:12:46
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monkey and then krillin's like oh oh maybe like after they start working together krillin's trying to come with this new technique and then he finally gets this and they're bringing a time the destructo disc cuts off goku's tail and that's kind of the end for now is like bulma's with her raid night with her dad and then you know there's official training now i assume they beat master crane too because they're working for the i said crane was working for the red ribbon army i don't remember well that's what that was my i don't think i wrote it down but yeah Yeah, Crane was working for the but the cring who is working for the Red Ribbon Army. Was Krillin in on it? Yes, because that was what his master was doing. So I assume Tien and Krillin changed sides. That's why it took me a second. and yeah They swapped sides after they see the Red Ribbon Army being evil and they beat up on their master. And then, yeah, that's about it for me. I don't know. Try to keep it lighthearted. The flying might be too much for the budget. I don't care.
Ruthie's Fixes for the Movie
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I know I really like it and I can envision it because it it you captured the the spirit of Dragon Ball. Thank you. What I liked about this movie, I like that it continued on what Dragon Ball was, specifically it brought back Akira Toriyama. It's not that I didn't like... GT. Yeah. GT wouldn't cancel, they finished it. Well, no, no, but it wasn't like decanonized after... do ah didn't they Did they re-canonize it? No. So what happened is Toriyama has semi-canonized it, saying it's a different universe. It's a different take. So he's that he he designed Super Saiyan 4. He is a fan of... I thought he wasn't involved with YouTube. He came up with ah the Super Saiyan 4 design. They asked him if he could do it. And ah he just wanted to stop writing it. He needed to break i mean he worked on that thing since like because he worked on things as Dragon Ball was non-stop.
00:14:39
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No, no, no, valid. My point being, as much as I like GT, we did get more Dragon Ball after it, and GT wasn't exactly the best, like, end to the series. I feel like, from what I've heard of Super, much better. Daima seems to be very good. I hear good things from people I trust. Me. Daima's fun. Yeah. Pacing's a little off, but it's a lot of fun. Yeah. It's a lot of exploring. Um...
00:15:08
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I like that it turned both the actors of Piccolo and Goku into Dragon Ball fans. I find that very funny and both of them being very frustrated with the performance that they were forced to give. Uh, the Piccolo actor went under a surname because he's a union actor. He was in- A surname or a pseudonym? A pseudonym. Thank you. He was in Dragon Ball Super as Goku Black. Don't shoot! He's not! Why?
00:15:39
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I think it was a Masu or the Fuse of Masu. Who's one of them? But he did come back and did it justice. Redeemed. Redeemed. Now we just need to get the guy who played Goku. I know he gave a rest and be secure Toriyama. And he's apologized for before, which I don't think he has to. Yeah, no, that's not his fault. Nah. um Okay, yeah, that that's that's it. That's my likes. Here's my dislikes. Every time I'd try to say, okay, yeah, I can kind of see where you're going, it would start to suck.
00:16:09
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Like what? Like okay. The concept of Goku being an in an American high school, kind of interesting, but this isn't Goku. This is like watching the Netflix adaptation of Death Note and expecting expecting Light Yagami to be the same as Light Turner, not the same person. They are fundamentally different. This Goku is like, loner, not like the other kids. I'm weird, I'm a freak. i
00:16:40
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I'm predating Riverdale by like, I don't know, five years. I don't have been five or six. You're not off. But like, you know, this kind of like edgy realism reboot, but not really, because this is the world of Dragon Ball. I'm weird. um don't I don't like it. I'm weird. I'm a weirdo. I wear this stupid hat. i but Riverdale reference. Fucking Jughead.
00:17:07
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Everything's normal until it's not, which is weird cause like the world of Dragon Ball has like cat people and Mr. Popo and it's just normal. isn't Wasn't the president like a dog? yeah Yeah. That's not a thing from DBZ abridged. No, it's not. It's the actual, he's the actual president. And there's dinosaurs, dinosaurs are canonical to Dragon Ball. Was there rabbits on the moon after Goku beat him up in Dragon Ball? I didn't get that far into Dragon Ball.
00:17:36
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Okay, I'm trying to remember, but yeah. I got a couple arcs into Dragon Ball. There's a lot of like, goofy stuff. Yeah. They and yeah they don't make them like that that anymore. It was kind of just like, Akira Toriyama being like, reality? That's stupid. Dinosaurs. Dog president. Fuck you.
00:17:57
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It's also Journey to the West. I'm not going to explain it. Yeah. No. And like, I don't know. There's so much like attention to detail and or not even attention to detail. It's like bare bones American, Americana-ness. And then oh, shit, we forgot about like Dragon Ball. And then all this crazy shit. And it it's just so segmented where there's normal shit, weird shit, normal shit, weird shit.
00:18:27
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And it's not like the fun weird shit. yeah It's just like it doesn't make much sense. Yeah, it's just bad. It's just bad. Like they have Mei with the jetpack for one second as she escapes. Cool, so there's jetpack. We're gonna see more of that, right? No. We only see like a handful of capsules, which in the show... I don't like how they do it. Yeah. I know it's cooler to show the CGI, but why don't you just use that for fighting instead of like seeing a thing? Just do the puff of smoke.
00:18:55
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Yeah, it's, yeah. Um, how would I fix this movie? Great question. Thank you for asking. You're welcome.
00:19:09
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So in my normally, if this was not an episode on Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball, the the universe the extended universe, I would be like, I'm just going to go with what I have in the movie. That's the only sandbox I'm playing in today. No, fuck that. We're DBZ fans. I'm going to go out. Sensei, forgive me. I'm going to go all out. That's a Rock Lee thing. Wrong anime. That's Kogi ass.
00:19:38
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Come along with me and bring all your hopes and dreams, damn it!
00:19:43
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ah So we're gonna do is we're gonna try and un-segment the mishmash of real shit, weird shit. We're getting dog president. You know what?
00:19:57
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No, we're not getting dog president. We're getting Emperor Pilaf. He has taken over the world. Things are mostly fine. It's just like little weird rules here and there. I don't necessarily think the Red Ribbon Army, you need to have them to be so explicit, but yeah, he's like already taken over for the world. um Goku, sure. We'll keep him in high school just so you can differentiate mine and Hector's fixes.
00:20:24
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ah Goku goes to school, he's not a loner, he's not weird. He doesn't, none of that. Goku's technically a jock, but he's not like a dick. I don't know, he's a jock. Yeah, he would be a jock. Had he not been homeschooled on a mountain for eight years, with no social skills, yeah, he would have ended up a jock. And he's part of his school's martial arts team. Krillin is also on his team.
00:20:53
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Uh, his cook would murder everyone. He's just a kid. He's holding back. He's doing this for the love of the sport. Fair enough. Okay, okay. I don't know if I'd keep the tail thing. Okay, that's fair. I like the tail. I know you like the tail. I wish they bring the tail back. For the sake of this movie's horrible CGI budget, I'm gonna leave out the tail. Okay, fair.
00:21:19
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so ah Goku and Krillin, they're actually best buds. Krillin is more of the kind of like loner kid because apparently you need that in the high school movies, but the bullies on the team leave him alone because Goku and Krillin are buds. And Goku has no fucking idea. Fucking idea about what? That ah the he is the only thing keeping the bullies away from Krillin. Krillin could also kick their asses, but he doesn't want to be banned from the team.
00:21:48
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ah Gohan is the coach. Roshi is the assistant coach. He was banned from being coach. Are you keeping the perverted shit in?
00:22:03
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tame Tamer. Equal level to what's in the movie. like Somebody caught him ah with a maid outfit and he was demoted from coach to assistant coach. ah see I thought he was trying to like kiss one of the moms one of the moms of the teammates or something i'd make that a rumor okay okay uh so the four of them plus whoever else is on the team they're coming to the uh the tournament it's like the last tournament of the season it's a big fucking deal and there are seven teams in the tournament is this a budekai tenkaichi no it's the high school version
00:22:45
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Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying, are you simplifying it? A little. Okay, okay.
Martial Arts Tournament Plot Idea
00:22:49
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So the idea is, and this is mythology that everyone in the world would know, once upon a time there used to be seven mystical orbs, dragon balls, ah you used to be able to bring them together to make a wish. Each of the seven schools that are ah coming together today have a dragon ball and uh the winner of the tournament you're supposed to get all seven dragon balls this its at this point it's more ceremonial than everything than anything else but uh Roshi and Gohan know of the existence of dragon balls so they're like telling the students like no this is a big deal and all the students except for maybe Goku uh are like whatever grandpa so they get there uh
00:23:33
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They have that school. There's the Crane School. They have a school that is sponsored by... Heatap? What? Heatap. That's the Dragon Ball Z abridged joke where we're like, the cell game is sponsored by Heatap. No, it's a school that's sponsored by Capsule Corp and Bulma is in that team. She bought her way in. She would.
00:23:57
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uh and let me see oh there's also one more school of martial arts that uh Chi Chi goes to it's an elite school because her dad is you know king of the fucking mountain and she's there one because she's a really good fighter two uh she and Goku used to go to like martial arts club together over the summer And she does have a huge crush on him, but he doesn't know because, you know, Goku's a dumbass. Yeah. He is the original Himbo. Don't at me. I'm right.
00:24:32
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So they go through the tournament, well, the first part of the movie to feel like Karate Kid, right? So they're going through the tournament and they're supposed to win. And all of the other schools, except for their school with the number four Dragon Ball, none of them have their Dragon Balls. And this is a big deal because it's ah rumored to be that Emperor Pilaf wants the Dragon Balls for whatever purpose.
00:24:55
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ah From then gosh ah Roshi and Gohan ah decide to take the kids on a field trip because we have to get all the Dragon Balls to prevent Emperor Pilaf from getting all the Dragon Balls. And yeah, I wanted it to be that world rump and adventure ah Have a cameo with Tien, have Yamcha come in, have all the Dragon Ball cast come together to try and find the Dragon Balls. And what may may you be wondering, does Emperor Pilaf want with the Dragon Balls? Don't. Don't say it. I think I know what it is. He wants to be three inches taller. Now, Danny, you have to freeze a bit from Super.
00:25:39
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It's a good bit though. It's a really good bit. Look me in the eye and tell me that that's not what he would want. Yeah, yeah he would. He was so egotistical in the original show. Had they like had that idea been incepted into his head of well he's emperor of earth but he's also like kind of short. Yeah he would want to remedy that.
00:26:01
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And so the entire cast are like, oh no, what could the evil Emperor Pilaf want? And right as he's about to wish for it, ah Goku wishes for a muffin button, or I don't know, something like that. I'm kidding, that was a gag. The the last bit is a fight between ah the gang and Emperor Pilaf and his army as they're trying to like get the last of the Dragon Balls together and make a wish, but not Pilaf's wish, because they don't know what his wish was. That's so lighthearted and goofy, I love it.
00:26:31
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and No, it does feel like like early Dragon Ball. It's just goofy adventures. Mm-hmm. That's fun. Yeah, I think you can talk about more Dragon Ball stuff ah Favorite form I mean, is it sad? I'm just a sucker for the the classic, the original Super Saiyan when it was happening in the Frieza saga. Yeah, I know that was sick as fuck. Yeah. ah Can I also just say I really enjoy the fan interpretation from Dragon Ball Legend, the fan ah animation that we watched right before recording. Yeah. If you haven't seen it, yeah. Oh, it's a treat. It's on YouTube. Dragon Ball Legend. It is so much. It's like six minutes and it's it's so good. I hope that animator does some more shit. Not with that, but just he does. I think he has his own comic books. He's got his own studio. Yeah, he has a comic. I think he has a comic book. So if you can, you'll you'll find it on YouTube and then follow him. He's a good, I forgot his name. I feel so bad. But
00:27:32
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ah Studio Stray Dog. Yeah, thank you. Studio Stray Dog. God, they're fucking talented. um Okay, what's your favorite form? It's Super Saiyan. Okay. For sure. I was partial to Super Saiyan God. It felt very different when it first appeared. And um i I don't like Ultra Instinct as soon as the white hair is a thing. I get why, but it just kind of It's like, okay, it's another hair recolor. Actually- Is our cat Ultra Instinct? Our cat Boomer? Yes. I think he is. Can he dodge this? He took- His brain dodged it? I went to poop his nose and he just ran right for it. He wants that boop. Although I will admit, I think the Broly, the Super Grandma Super Broly movie, the way they do all those transformations felt really unique again. Yeah.
00:28:31
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No, I see what you mean. Yeah, no, they did a lot of cool shit with that. Oh man. Alright, other Dragon Ball or like martial art movies, if you could, I don't know. Just favorite martial art movies? I don't know. Oh, The Raid. so one and The Raid Redemption isn't the american is the American version for one. And The Raid 2. It's very confusing. But they're they're good. They have no right being as good as they are.
00:28:59
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Um, it, what John Wick did to guns. This movie did to martial art films. I gotta say you introduced me to shadow. I really enjoyed that one. Uh, I don't know if I can, it's a Usha film, 2018 technically, but we got an American 2019. International release. Yeah. It's really good. Uh, I would consider everything everywhere. A martial arts movie. No, it is. Yeah. Also a really good one.
00:29:28
Speaker
I haven't seen too many of the others of the classics, I know, I'm a bad fan. Goku versus Bruce Lee, no energy blasts. If ki isn't a thing? Yeah. just Just straight up punching each other. Just straight up technique?
Favorite Martial Arts Movies Discussion
00:29:41
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Yeah, technique! Goku. Really? Goku's like, like Goku just has to see it once and he can do it, so... He does have that idiot Savant syndrome. Yeah, no, he's a genius at fighting.
00:29:55
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uh yeah i can't think of anything else uh but yeah just just fucking love dragon ball you guys so good so good so good favorite anime favorite anime i mean this is like my gateway you know no yeah no it has a spot like no matter where anything is in your top 10 it there's always it's always like just next to the top 10 like it always has a spot Yeah, it's Grandfather Den. I mean, I think mine's Fruits fruits Basket, which has some martial arts, technically, but not really. Which, the 2019 version, right? don't Don't make me pick. Don't make me pick. Wait, you like the original version more than the 2019? It's not that I don't like. This is why I asked you not to make me pick. The animation is bad. It's super corny. 2003 version, she's talking about.
00:30:49
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Yeah, look, I get it. It's it's it's inaccurate. the the The dialogue is hokey. It's not great, but it's one of the it was also one of my early anime. I can't not enjoy it. No, for sure. I will say the ending super sucks.
00:31:08
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I get that. My first real anime was Black Cat, which I don't think many people have heard of. I haven't. I didn't finish it. I don't think I can get into it. It's fine. It was the first one. So I felt a lot. But I looking back on, I probably wouldn't have picked as, you know, I mean, I can't decide. Uh, Fullmark and his Brotherhood is probably the top one of the top three. Oh, yeah. Cowboy Bebop, like one of my favorites. I think my only my favorite of all time. It has everything I like coming for Lazarus and like next year.
00:31:39
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Yeah, now I'm just trying to remember all my... FMAB is definitely in my top three. Yeah, I know for sure. We still want to finish, uh, Mob Psycho. Oh, yeah, Mob Psycho is probably number three. I think JoJo's is in the top three. It's in my top five. Top five for sure. It's just, I don't know, it's special. If you haven't seen JoJo's, it's the weirdest one to ever recommend. Well, one of the weird ones to recommend outside of, like, Bocky, which I haven't seen much. Goku versus Dio.
00:32:07
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An unstoppable brain meets an immovable empty skull cavity. So are we talking which which time we're in the timeline for part three? For Goku. Oh for Goku. In between Super Saiyan 1 Super Saiyan 2. So around like so around. So Cell Saga. Yeah. Cell or Androids. Okay, so here's the thing. ah They did a death battle recently with Jonah versus Joker and they were they fly out said that the uh the stands could move at around light speed if not faster right because it's a manifestation of assault yes but also just like some of the reaction times i think the manga that they it was like super fast uh god i would probably have to say if dio doesn't stop time oh no i'm fully accounting for stopping time i don't think you could pierce goku if goku's has enough key to what do you mean uh being
00:33:05
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If I remember correctly, the reason sometimes bullets hurt Goku and sometimes they don't is because he's not ready for it. So if he's ready to fight and then his time stops, I don't think Dio could pierce his skin. I mean, but Dio plays super dirty because he does strike when you're not expecting it. That's what how he got, uh... Jonathan. I mean, that's how he got Jonathan. Yes, but I was thinking more, isn't that how he got Kakeo-in and Joseph? Yes. But yeah, you're right.
00:33:35
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Also, can we just, sorry, we're on an ADHD rant here. Can we just appreciate the the joy that Dio must have felt as he kept stopping time to move Polnareff back to the base of the stairs every eight seconds? Someone to asked me once what I could do if I could stop time. I immediately gave that answer.
00:33:58
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But yeah, it it's... ah I was to go just fly up in the... fly up and destroy the planet, so... by that point. But he wouldn't. No, he wouldn't, but I'm saying if it's of just a fight fight with no repercussions, then yeah. By that point, Sal was about to destroy the planet, so... Ah, man. love Love Dragon Ball. That whole saga was just everyone dropped taking turns with the idiot stick, and we all love it. Oh, man. God, I love Dragon Ball.
00:34:31
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um Okay. Hashtag not your Goku. Would you recast him so he's not a white dude? Yeah. Who would you recast him as? I actually, I have a fan cast and it would make sense in the context of the movie. Yeah. Simu Liu. He wasn't even a star then. He wasn't a star then, but he was 20 years old. And in, in the movie, Goku's 18. Yeah. No, you're right. And he was definitely doing, I remember someone like, wasn't he doing like stock images around the time? and he got I Uh,
00:35:03
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if not a clone of Bruce Lee cloned like 18 years prior ah that would also be valid in my mind a CGI'd no I don't think Goku could do honestly whoever can wear the wig or get the hair exposed to that as possible and also be a good martial artists I feel like they should be good enough what if that was Nicolas Cage though a lot as Goku yes
00:35:35
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Call me homie HOLE!
00:35:39
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I hate myself for making that joke. Speaking it into existence. oh um Man. I was about to ask if Nick Cage has ever been in a Kung Fu, in like a martial arts film. Jujitsu, yeah. But then another Jujitsu exists. God, that movie was like... That, technically it I didn't hate it. I just thought it was like really badly paced and barely a story. But like, the martial arts was genuinely good. I mean, yeah, because they actually hired... Martial artists, yeah. No. ah Man, I think we need something like... How do you think that Naruto movie is gonna be?
00:36:18
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Because he got the dude who did Shang-Chi directing it. um I would need to see the cast, and I would need to know what they're pulling from Naruto, because you can get some really good stuff, but if it's if it's the studio that's behind Dragon and Ball Evolution, I wouldn't put my money behind it, you know? Honestly, I think we talked about once on our Discord,
00:36:44
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Lord D was saying if it's an original thing that might like in between certain arcs that could work I don't know. I don't know if the a studio would have that much faith to put in a director because I feel like what happened with this movie is they had dr- I mean we kind of talked about it earlier but I feel like with Dragon Ball Evolution they were too worried that Dragon Ball wasn't beloved enough. It wasn't recognized enough. Like Minecraft. They have to explain how Minecraft exists.
00:37:15
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shut up it's just fucking minecraft i feel like saying i feel like the execs who don't who believe that are idiots though because like i mean yeah there's like a taqueria goku in mexico i want to go to but like there's way dragon pull has been a thing in international culture since fuck the 90s i guess yeah probably earlier too But it's so infamous. It's like Sailor Moon. Yeah. With Star Wars, you know? Yeah. I feel like Dragon Ball is going to legitimately outlast um a lot. It's already starting to outlast it. I hate to say it. Like, Sailor Moon is starting to get forgotten. it's It's classic. But like, I don't see anyone maybe maybe i'll see maybe talking about it. Yeah. Which sucks. And I don't know, people are starting to kind of, for better or worse, starting to kind of
00:38:14
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Just give up on Star Wars. I mean, yeah. Especially like some of
Dragon Ball's Longevity and Future
00:38:19
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the sequels, I get it. But yeah, no, Daima. Watch Daima if you haven't seen it, if you're a Daima fan. It's really fun.
00:38:26
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Okay, do I have to- I know it's a prequel to Super, but would I need to, like, any kind of sequel? Like, would I need Super to understand anything? No, not at all. There's one joke they made- one reference where they're like, which universe are you going to? And it's like, in universe 7, which is the main universe. But that's it. Like, there's no God stuff outside of, like, the Supreme Kai. There's nothing like that. It's just a bunch of goofy fun.
00:38:53
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And I think they pumped up the animation app. I don't know if it was like before Toriyama died or that they're already at buffing up the animation or what, but like they're doing it their all. Like they're really giving it their all and I'm glad for it. Nice. Yeah. No, it's it's been very fun. Yeah. Y'all should just watch Dragon Ball again. Yeah. Even just like the original Dragon Ball. That's what I that's what i meant. Thank you. Yeah.
00:39:18
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i mean heck watch GT there's some fun stuff there yeah I've seen a whole lot of it but I have some of the stuff I saw like the baby arc was pretty cool I think you might get frustrated watching the original Dragon Ball because you didn't like Cocaine Bear because of the one joke. Dragon Ball has one joke and it's Goku doesn't get social norms so often times he's almost as ah much of a perv as Roshi. He just doesn't understand it. I don't think he's being a perv. I know the exact thing you're talking about. He he doesn't get it. So I think it it's not the same but this is very, it feels different.
00:39:49
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i I just like, I like the, it's it's a silly gag stuff too. I don't mind it. Yeah. But yeah. I'm giving this movie an F. Yeah, no, this is like ah this is like an F. I've been watching a lot of video essays on why the Batman is good. ah Fuck you, short. I'm right. I love the Batman.
00:40:13
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Keep that in. Keep that in. I don't know, it's just really good. I was talking with somebody this weekend and they were telling me why they didn't like it and I was like... They didn't they didn't like the Batman? No.
00:40:27
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They said that they preferred the Dark Knight because the Dark Knight, and then they went off on this ramble about how Batman really couldn't save Gotham. He's the hero that Gotham deserves, or whatever the line is. I haven't seen Dark Knight. He's not the hero we need, or he's the hero we need when we don't deserve. Yeah, and I'm listening to them and I'm just like, and you don't like the Batman?
00:40:55
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I mean, I get the runtime is exhausting. I will give that point there. It is exhausting. At the same time, though, as a detective, I love a good slow detective film. So it's good shit. It's good shit.
00:41:08
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the fucking penguin oh my god oh the penguin oh it sucked the landing so hard you guys like this is fresh from like like it happened this earlier in the week it it the finale it stuck the landing hard and not a it's not a spoiler for me to say because you know you're expecting it it's in the same cinematic universe watching like as the as this camera zooms out seeing the bat sign flicker onto the cloud in the distance. Ooh, I can't wait! It's gonna be so good! I can't wait. Uh, Ruthie hasn't seen it yet. Arcane, season two. So far we've only gotten the six episodes, but of the nine. How are the six episodes? Very good. I have some part. Act one has a pacing issue or ah weird pacing issues.
00:42:03
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Act two has some of it, but not as much. And it kind of course corrected in a good way. i'm i'm I'm loving the show. Like people are saying the same thing on the internet. Like, God, the pacing could be better, but everything's still done so well. Is it just breakneck? Some parts. Again, I think they were going to do three or four seasons and then they were like, we can't keep this type of effort up for too long. So I think they did the best they could. Like God of War.
00:42:30
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yeah i ain't got a war ragnarok had some i mean no it had pacing issues but they would they want what i'm comparing it to is the fact that they condensed what could have been a trilogy into it
Tease for Future Episodes
00:42:41
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yes yes i i'm not mad with well how they did it yeah i'm not mad at that it's just kind of like i wish they made a few with god wars like i wish they made some decision different yeah focus on different story beats yeah but yeah um I think next episode should be our Christmas special, potentially. We might take a little bit of a break until we get to the Christmas special, everyone. Oh, I see. I don't get an episode. You'll get the next one. Your first of the year. Yeah. First of the year. Also, weren't you as above so below? but Yeah, we get to do it again. Because remember, Ed... Take two, right? Yeah. So you get, yeah, Christmas special, then you. And then you and then Ed. Yeah.
00:43:22
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And then we'll have to remember who picked who or who's next in the actual order. Yeah. Well, no, because that's Ed, then me, then you. Right, right. I don't remember orders for anything anymore. But yeah, thank you for watching, everyone. Give this five stars. Subscribe to our follow or whatever your podcast. Like and subscribe. Hit that like button. We have a YouTube if your listeners on YouTube. Yeah. And yeah, have a great rest of your week, everyone.
00:43:52
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Maybe a day. Maybe a whole month. You know what? Treat yourself. Two. Two months. Two months. Goodbye. Goodbye. to- Today's film was Dragon Ball Evolution, directed by James Wong. The original manga and anime was created by Akira Toriyama, and the screenplay adaptation was written by Ben Ramsey. The cinematographer was Robert McLaughlin. Go show some love on their various social media accounts. They made a movie, which is more than we can say here. Lovely audience, it's that time of year again. Please join us for our Hallmark movie special, Five Gold Rings. Goodbye.