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Foster Care, Faith & Real Life: Jamie Finn’s Powerful Story
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Aixa and Jackie sit down with Jamie Finn — foster mom, author, and founder of Foster the Family — for a vulnerable, grace-filled conversation on the realities of foster care, adoption, and gospel-driven compassion.
Jamie shares her journey from “one kid, one time” to over 30 children in her home and four adoptions. She speaks candidly about identity, control, grief, and the constant refining work of God in the foster care journey. This episode is a must-watch for parents, pastors, church leaders, and anyone wanting to understand how ordinary families can live out radical love in their homes.
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Introduction and Guest Introduction
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We all have a story, and at times we feel we're walking it out alone. Let's pause and think. Join us for honest conversations about adoption and parenting as we lament, encourage, give hope, and explore our true identity and worth in Christ.
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Hi, everyone. My name is Aixa, and I'm here with Jackie in Guatemala City. We're so thrilled to have a special guest and a friend and a colleague and a mom and all the things that we do together for the kingdom of God. and Jamie, thank you for being with us.
Influence and Retreat Experiences
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Jamie Finn is real influencer.
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I kind of hate that word, honestly. I do too. Yeah, honestly. But I have to say you do have an influence. You do ah have an impact on people's lives and that's what matters. And so we're so privileged.
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We're going talk. So I'm not going linger it, you know, with the introduction, just to say that we have attended, um, filled. I've been twice to the mom's conference and retreat, and it was a treat for, for me, for my heart.
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I know Jackie enjoyed it as well. And, um, so thank you for everything you do. Just, um, Right off the bat, I'm going to tell you, thank you for everything you do. Oh, it's such a privilege. I know what it's like to need encouragement and community. And so to be able to play a part in creating that for other women.
Community and Support in Foster Care
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is really just a privilege. It's ah it's a gift. Yeah. It's so much fun. And it's it's not only fun to distract you from the heavy work, it ya what brings you closer to the Lord while encourages you to do the heavy work. Oh, I love that.
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I love that. Oh, thank you. That's the heart. So I love hearing that. Yes. Yes. And Jamie, I had the privilege to attend Filled for the first time in January of this year.
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And it literally blew me away to participate, to be in the sessions, but to also participate with Aixa do a workshop. Yeah, we love Yeah.
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It was just an amazing retreat. And I just think back to my story. And if my mom could have only had a space like that with other moms and people like you who are just um literally filling them up, of course, with the Lord and just giving that time of just to rest to rest And to be encouraged. um That was just an amazing time. So I just want to thank you yeah um from the bottom of my heart as a child. We're on two different sides of it. um
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And ah and i I don't feel like i was – or my daughter-in-law said, you know, you've never fostered. And I was like – You know, I never considered myself a foster mom, but in the first eight years, Aixa, living in Guatemala, we had 17 teenagers that lived with us. That kind of qualifies. Yeah, you're not a foster mom.
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and never called myself a foster mom. I just said I'm a missionary, you know? and Right. I took care of my my niece who has been adopted for nine months. Yeah, your husband told that story, and I was like, oh, man, you you really have stepped in.
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for those who need parents for a short time. And so whether it's official or unofficial, it is God's heart for protecting the vulnerable. And you understand that in-betweenness that we carry of like, while you're with me, oh man, you are,
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all mine and I am all yours. And then I'm holding it really loosely and knowing that this isn't your forever.
Jamie's Journey into Foster Care
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So you know that. And so many others who are not officially technically foster parents also know that the the spiritual mothers and the stand-in mothers and I love how God uses women to, and men, but I, you know I have a heart for moms specifically.
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He uses women to, to hit these in-betweens, the gaps of, of when they need a mother. um so you You belonged in every way. I'm so glad you were there. Oh, well, thank you. And so i yeah, I'm just so excited that you're here with us today. What an honor.
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So we have a question for you, Jamie. Can you just give us a glimpse of young Jamie and how all of this began, how your heart was touched for foster and adoption?
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Yeah. Yeah. It's so, isn't it funny? I mean, I know you guys feel this as well. Like young Jamie, I'm like, yeah, I'm old Jamie now. No one. I wasn't really meaning it that way. No, no, no. But it is true. Jamie.
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Three, seven children, eight children, nine children. Yeah. Take us back there. Right. It was 11 years ago. So it it was young Jamie and i you know, always had a heart for mission, for the vulnerable. I think ah like a lot of young Christian women thought that that would play out in like a going there sort of way, that I would be a missionary, that that was kind of how it played out in my mind. And then I found myself as, you know, a 25 year old, like married, own a home,
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one boy, one girl, sort of like all American life. And then it it ah hit this point of like, okay, so what does it look like to live mission? We are just kind of this average family.
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um But we're still called to this radical mission of loving the vulnerable, of bringing the gospel to the lost. That mission exists for us where we are in South Jersey in our middle-class home. what is it for us? And God put foster care on my heart. There was really no one in our lives who we're fostering. um In our pretty large church, there was one single mom who was like twice my age and um definitely families who had pursued international adoption. And my husband had that in his family. He has two sisters adopted from China. and
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so we had a heart for this, like, oh, maybe one day we'll adopt. um But it was really not in our are frame of reference, even in what we were seeing in our lives or within the church ah to step into foster care.
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But God put it on my heart just through this this realization that the people who were in need of love and protection and gospel hope weren't just like over there.
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They weren't just somewhere where you go. They were also on our street and in our kids' schools. and And that radical mission could actually play out in our home, that our home could be this home base for mission. And so I approached my husband, who was very tentative.
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Very um tentative is is a nice word. he did not think that it was the right thing for us, um but really is a man of conviction. And so I said, can you go to God's word? I don't want to try to convince you or compel you.
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I don't want to just show you pictures and tell you statistics and manipulate you into this. I want you to go to God's word and be convinced for yourself. And He was it was. It was a very clear, okay, I know we're called to do this.
Family Mission and Trusting God's Plan
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We are called to love and protect the vulnerable. And that's a non-negotiable for every Christian. And then because you feel like we should be doing it in this specific way, like, okay, I'll step out in faith. And so our deal was one kid one time, and that was 30 kids.
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30 kids, four adoptions 11 years ago. And it has really become our family mission. um It's become, you know, for me, a ah ah personal ministry and career and all these things.
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That really just started with that first step of like, okay, God, we know this is dear to your heart. We feel a little bit scared. We kind of don't want to do this, but we're going to step in. And this is where he's brought us and he's brought us, you know, this ministry and mission. And then also four of our disciples.
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forever children and and another one potentially on the way. So I'm grateful for God's hand directing us when we didn't know where we were going. That's so good. So good. And I love hearing how you just invited the Lord into it and you didn't, like you said, manipulate or try to bring the conviction. yeah You just...
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Point in your husband, just go to God's word and you let the Holy Spirit just speak to him. And here you are today, 11 years later. Yeah. And an amazing story.
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Yeah. And when I say, you know, my husband is a man of conviction. If you would have told me, ah we would have seven children and we would have the the needs in our home that we have, I would have said like, oh, that's one of those different kind of families. One of those families that has like a lot of faith and a lot of like, we're just like a very normal family. um So it is. crazy to see how God actually changes you in the process. Like you give him this yes to one kid, one time. um And then he takes that yes and brings it to somewhere that you had never planned and and makes it so much sweeter, um harder and all those things, but so much sweeter than than we could have ever imagined. Mm-hmm.
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It strikes me that I have so much in common with your story. Like we're in different contexts. I'm a Guatemalan. I'm in Guatemala City. I, you know, our lives have been so parallel in so many ways.
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And I hear so many elements to your story that I lived through, like a boy and a girl and the Typical, you know, Christian family life that you sort of envision at one point, but then it's not...
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quote unquote enough. Right, right, right. Lord brings you to something else and in anything. Anything can happen with that, yes. Yeah. And so something I get a lot, and I can sense it's not only in this context where where adoption is rarer than in the States. Okay, sure, sure, sure. um But something I get, and I'm sure you've heard, is You just mentioned how even in your mind, it's like, oh, that's what you know really faithful, like right right unusual Christians
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And I've heard it a lot. Oh, you you're so you're so different. You're so special. This is like a special calling for special people.
Challenges and Realities of Foster Care
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yeah How do you respond to that?
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Yeah. I mean, first of all, i'm like, hey, come to my house. Yeah. You will see how unspecial I am. You will no longer be impressed. um So I think that's part of it is just trying to be real.
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And you only have to know us just a little bit to see how kind of messy and imperfect we are. So that that's definitely part of it is just being really real about the hard parts about um how I get weary how i um can struggle with unbelief, how i have this heartbreak and stress. And so part of it is just being real and us not feeding into this narrative of like, oh, yes, we have our act together.
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um And I think we can do that because we said yes to this. And so we think that now we need to be able to do it ourselves and we need to make it look good. We have to be the poster child, the walking commercial for what a joy foster care and adoption are and, and make sure that, that we keep that up. And man, that is, um,
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it's doing the opposite of what we think it's doing. We think it's making it look attractive. And really what it's doing is allowing other people to go, oh, that's this thing that's for them and not for me. Exactly. So when we're messy and real, when we're vulnerable, ah other people can see themselves in us in in a better way.
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Yeah. And what you you know spoke about before this is is so such a gem because It takes a normal Christian folk. Like it takes a yes from a normal, available vessel.
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That's all it takes. Yeah, that's right. And the reality is when you you do look at God's word, it's really hard to get away from the places where we're called to ah The poor, the orphan, the widow, that you know ah basically under that umbrella of the vulnerable. It is part of being a Christian. Part of being a disciple is that we are coming near to those who are struggling, and God has ah maybe a uniquely tender heart and towards you know we see it, the stranger, the foreigner, the widow, the orphan.
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So part of following Jesus for all of us is is drawing near to those people and and loving them and serving them. And the question for all of us needs to be not if, but how.
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And for a lot more of us than I think there are, the especially Christians, the the answer is, oh yeah, i I should step out in faith. I should step out of my comfort zone in sacrifice and welcome kids into my home.
00:14:28
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For just as many, probably more people, it's going to be How can I serve? How can I walk alongside? How can I support a single mom or struggling family before foster care becomes a part of their story?
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How can I babysit? How can I pray? um and I think that even those little steps of getting involved in foster care. not foster parenting, but getting involved in foster care starts to turn on people's hearts to the the kids and the families. And when we start to like flirt with foster care a little bit, we realize like, oh maybe there's there's more that I should be doing. and And God uses it to build our faith for a scary yes.
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Yes. And
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Wow. I just really respect you, Jamie, because when I heard you share and I, um, and I've, you know, I follow you on, on social media. So I hear you share, um, in, in the, you know,
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the videos that you put on. But when i when I heard you share in January, I really respect and admire you because you are so real and you're so vulnerable and you don't just, um, code it like, and make yourself look like you're the super mom and paint the picture. Like, you know, like you said, like if we paint it, like everything's perfect, yeah then that's where we get, you know, the image that, Oh, that's just for a special person. yeah No, you're just you're just a mom who's passionate about God's word and fulfilling what the scriptures say. and what I love and respect is that you have no problem talking about the messy as well and sharing with other moms. That's why the mo the room was filled with moms like all of us, women like all of us who are struggling, who have struggles day to day.
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yeah We celebrate- But there are also some really difficult times. yeah And is there um something that you could share with us today um that that you can just be open and honest about maybe so a struggle that you've gone through um as you've been in this process and something ah that you've learned about yourself as you've been walking this foster and adoption journey?
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Yeah, i I think something that I've learned um is how much I want to be the one who fixes this for my kids and for their families.
00:17:14
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I would say, oh no, savior mentality. Like we never want to approach with a savior mentality. and And I believe that. And it's continuously just refined in my heart how much I am approaching that way.
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How much, you know, me becoming trauma informed and and becoming a TBRI practitioner and learning all the ways I was... still putting faith in my ability to heal my kids.
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I'm going to learn, oh yeah, these are not the methods. These actually are the methods. So i'm going to learn them. Okay. Now we have the healing methods and it's just going to take all this time and work, but we'll, we'll do it. And, um, you know, having kids be reunified. And I think when, when this started to happen for me, we had, uh, a little girl who was with us for two and a half years I just did the math earlier this morning. She went home a little bit over four years ago, which is wild because it feels like it was last year. But I think when this this struggle started to come out in my heart is I was so, i had learned the lesson of being pro reunification.
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I had learned like, oh, I'm going to support mom. I'm going to champion mom and pro family. And And so I loved mom really well. And she was in our home at Christmas and we had shared birthday parties and i had served her practically. And part of the reunification plan was that we would stay involved in this little girl's life and be their support.
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And mom, I think, just wanted to be done with foster care. She wanted everything out of her home and she wanted to move on. And she was grateful and loved us, but she was ready to move on.
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And I realized how much of my sort of identity had been wrapped up in the fact that I was pro reunification and I was about healing families. And then all of a sudden, this family has experienced some level of healing and they don't need me anymore. And I'm like, wait, what?
00:19:13
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Like, this is this is what I do. This is how I follow Jesus. This is how I radically serve. and um And that was sort of the first time I was convicted in that and then have seen how it's played out history.
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kids in my home who their parents are struggling and and not um not experiencing the healing we're praying for, or my adopted kids who have relationship with biological family or don't have relationship with biological family. like Across the board, I'm stepping into these stories that I deeply care about, that I'm fighting for passionately, and that I have no control to fix.
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And it has revealed in me um this, this idol of control, this idol of wanting to be the savior. And I have had to lay down before God, God, you are sovereign.
00:20:08
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You are wise and good and in control. And you love everyone that I am trying to love pretty feebly. You love them perfectly. And all the things I can't do, you can. And so we it's ah diminished my view of myself in a really beautiful way. And it has increased my view of the character of God in a really beautiful way. You know, I must decrease. He must increase.
00:20:34
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That has played out in my foster care adoption journey um in a really powerful way. And I'm grateful for how God has refined that in my heart. Hmm. That's so good um because it is hard.
00:20:47
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As much as we're like pro, I remember when my niece was getting to go home, we were so excited. But then when I handed her over and then it's like, okay, we don't need you anymore. Now have empty arms. Right.
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Goodbye. Right. It's like, it's like a knife into the heart. And so it is, it's like, oh, we have to just keep so focused on this is for the Lord. This is for the Lord. It's not for me.
Church's Role and Foster Care Advocacy
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Even though our flesh, you know, we, we want to see these results or, or feel needed or like you, you were talking about just things that God wants to decrease in us and it'd be more about him. And so I love that. I love what you said. Thank you so much for being vulnerable in that area.
00:21:31
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It takes a lot of self-reflection and to see yourself through the word to actually pinpoint this kind of conviction. Because we are really good at making God's gifts and calling even calling, high callings and gifts into Other gods.
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And so we have to watch out. but Foster moms, adoptive moms, watch out because this very, very good thing can turn into a problem real quick if you don't take care to prune yourself into it. examine yourself and say, why is this uncomfortable? Why am I bothered by this or this conversation or this attitude, this person? Yeah, that's so good.
00:22:17
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It usually comes back to our pride and it plays out in really weird ways. And so, oh my goodness, that that was really good. So just coming to a close, what would be your most urgent prayer for church, for church um to, you know, respond? Or what would you dream of happening in the next, you know, five to 10 years inside the church of Jesus Christ?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I would say that my prayer would be for more people stepping into this space. First of all, just straight off, that is, man, that is a hope and prayer.
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My prayer for Christian foster parents would be that many more of them ah buy into ah view of foster care that is um really reflecting God's heart for the family, right?
00:23:16
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really reflecting this gospel perspective of of God's heart for redemption and restoration of what sin broke. So 11 years ago, ah when I became a foster parent, it was adoption is the hope here, and reunification is this unfortunate byproduct that happens sometimes when you don't get to keep them.
00:23:39
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And I am grateful to see this this shift. um And I think that we still have more room here, that that there are too many Christian foster parents who are not led by compassion, who are not... um Not just touching every person involved with humility, that too many of us see our kids' parents and think, how could you? Instead of, oh, but for the grace of God, I. And so my my prayer for Christian foster parents is that, that we just...
00:24:16
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ah really cling to God's heart for the family, that he created it that he wants it to be made whole, and that we begin there. Of course, you know I've adopted four kids. I i understand the reality that that can't always happen, but that our hearts just begin there and align with God's heart for for healing and redemption and restoration.
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um And then for the church as a whole, i would love if we really began to understand that foster care is what happens when struggling people are not loved well by their neighbors.
00:24:54
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And that one of the very best things we can do to impact the foster care so system is just to be good neighbors, just to love our neighbors. Mm-hmm. um And to draw near to those who are struggling.
00:25:08
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How many of us have this perspective of like, oh, that's the house where the kids run wild because the parents are working late? Or, oh, that's the mom who dad left her because he's drinking? And we have this this kind of protect and insulate and isolate our little lives.
00:25:29
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um And then the struggling people around us, they they don't have our our hope in the gospel that we can share. They don't have our help and the ways that we can serve them.
00:25:42
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So I would love if our churches got really messy with lots of struggling people If our our lives got really full with the people around us who um who need help, who who need Christians to love and support and serve them and bring them gospel hope. And i think the thing that the church can best do to impact the foster care system is try to keep kids out of foster care by strengthening families.
Motivations and Sustainability in Foster Care
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Yeah. So that's my parable. That's so good. That's so good, Jamie. And I want to add one more question. This might be a really messy question for you. I love it. It's because something, I, this just came, um somebody talked to me about this last weekend.
00:26:31
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Yeah. And this was from a Christian foster care family, but they were very drawn into, the mom was very drawn into foster care because of it being good money.
00:26:44
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And so what do you say to um people who are, you know, yeah God can use anything yeah to touch our hearts for foster care?
00:26:58
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But, oh my goodness, I cringed when I heard that comment, like, it's it's not about good money. It's not about good money. And I'm sure you've heard – I'm probably not the first person that has heard this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. what do you say to Christian parents who might be considering because of good money? Yeah.
00:27:22
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Yeah. Well, the first thing I would say is it's not good money. It's pretty bad money. So New Jersey, actually, we have one of the highest stipends in the US and it it averages out to about a dollar an hour. And this is for the state to invade your home, for a child 24 hour a day care, for you to be involved in every service and everything they need.
00:27:51
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And To really have a lot of trauma coming into your home in a way that impacts everyone. um I think it's simply not worth the money.
00:28:03
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if If your motivation is the money, it's simply not worth turning your life upside down. And getting your heart broken and having your marriage and your kids impacted by all, you know, it's just not worth it. Our why has to be so much richer, so much more enticing. um And that is, you know, that we were put on this earth to do good works, that these children are our dear to the heart of God, um that we get to play a part in in God's gospel mission. So i would say um that motivation isn't going to sustain you because it it's just not worth it.
00:28:43
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um so So what is a why that is actually going to hold you through how how hard this can be and how all-consuming this could be?
Resources and Family Support
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um because it's just not worth it. Otherwise, without the gospel, I would not be doing this. Yes. Amen. Amen. And so, Jack, ah I'm sorry.
00:29:05
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I said, Jackie, it's Jamie. You two are J's. So anyways, where can people find you? Because I know you're currently writing or publishing another book.
00:29:16
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I don't know where you find the time, Seven Kids and the whole ministry and things. But tell us where people can find your stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I love to share about our family and just, you know, the ups and downs of foster care in, like we've talked about, hopefully a ah very real way um on social media at foster the family blog.
00:29:39
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ah We spent some time talking about the filled gathering, which is in Pennsylvania. This year we'll be welcoming 1500 women from around the country and the world just for gospel preaching prayer.
00:29:52
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really practical workshops, and then just lots of connection and fun and refreshment. um And then Foster the Family is an organization that I founded that serves foster families in practical ways. ah Hundreds support groups throughout the country where foster parents can come together for a short amount of training and then ah connection and and mutual support from each other.
00:30:21
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And then, yeah, I love to write. i've I love books more than anything. And so I wrote two books that have been published already. One is called Foster the Family.
00:30:33
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And it's just a ah biblical approach to foster care. How do we look at sort of topically what God's word says about all things foster care? And then filled is 60 devotions for the foster parent's heart.
00:30:47
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Yeah. And in September, I have a kid's book coming out, which is just that a gospel perspective sort of on foster care. That's awesome. I'm so grateful that you have been faithful and productive ah for not only family, your small you know group, if you can call small. I've seen you surrounded by your family, by your best friends, filled conferences, a family affair. Absolutely. your but brother's bringing the donuts and your mom is doing the shop and your dad is helping around. So it's amazing to see everyone involved and ah you've, you know, that's what the Lord does. Courage is contagious. And so I'm so happy that, that, uh, you find solace, you find time, you manage and you, you know, the Lord has provided in it's,
00:31:43
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The fruit is showing and we are so thankful that the, you know, the benefit is being, um you know, just passed around and you've reached Guatemala.
Impact and Gratitude
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So yeah I love it.
00:31:54
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I love it. you know Can I share real quick? with that ma Of course. eat A big part. in my heart for vulnerable kids, for the orphan. Because like I said, i I had this perspective when I was younger of like, a oh mission is done over there.
00:32:10
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And I went on a short-term missions trip to Guatemala when I was about 13 and And it was there that God put in my heart that, that we would adopt that one day i would. hi And I always thought it was going to be a child from Guatemala. I mean, when I met my husband, you know, for 10 years, it was when we adopt from Guatemala, when we bring home our little girl from Guatemala. Yeah.
00:32:34
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And then when came time for that to maybe happen, adoption was closed. um And so it was like, okay. And so it's played a big part in my ah heart and my story.
00:32:48
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That wasn't the place, but it was where God sort of turned my heart on for ah for ah his love for precious children who who needed ah family. And so...
00:33:00
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Guatemala is dear to my heart. I've been in Guatemala City. And and so I went to share that. That is so cool. Yeah, that's so amazing. And I just want to say thank you so much, Jamie, for taking time um to be with us today. Because if it wasn't for moms like you and Aixa, I would not be sitting here today. We're not easy.
00:33:21
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we're we're not easy I know that. I know that. I've i ah you know seen my life and I know God's brought things out in my life and how he's just constantly um molding us and shaping us more into his image. And you know're we're never going arrive till we're actually with him. That's right.
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for moms like you and Aixa who are willing to do the hard who openeds your your hearts your homes your entire lives your marriages um for children like us and i am i'm um a living testimony of the hard work that you guys do for children like us and i'm just believing that as moms like you guys as you continue to sow into um the many many lives of children around the world even through this podcast, giving moms hope and encouragement that um you are going to, I know you're not doing this for any kind of applause, but I know the Lord is going to bless you guys above and beyond. So thank you so much for your time and for just sharing with us, having a real and honest conversation on our podcast, Pause and Think. We just want to take time out, and take a pause in the day,
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and just have a real and honest conversation. So we're just so thankful for you today. Yes. so Thank you, Jamie. Thank you for having me.
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