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Omega-3s & Fish Oil: Are They Shortening Your Life?
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Introduction and Omega-3 Concerns
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Hey, Christian, you're enough here. Welcome back to the podcast. Today, I'm going to talk to you a little bit about why I do not recommend the Omega 3 slash fish oil supplements to my clients. I don't take them myself. Don't give them to my family. And I stopped that last year.
Personal Experience with Omega-3
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and it But it took me months to come to terms that
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I'm not going to sugarcoat it that I was poisoning myself with the supplements and and my family as well. So it it took a long time to come to terms with it. That's why I don't expect you to come to terms with it after listening to me talk about it for 30 minutes or so.
Financial Advice on Omega-3 Supplements
00:00:54
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But this is not medical advice, okay? This is financial advice. Don't waste your money on omega-3 supplements, right? Don't do it. It doesn't matter if they are in a phospholipid form, molecularly distilled, blessed by a holy man. It doesn't matter if they are refrigerated and you you keep them in the fridge and all that good stuff, right?
00:01:29
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because also so it should say it doesn't even matter that they they come with antioxidants and tocopheros in there to protect them because at the end of the day what's gonna happen is you're going to ingest these things and if they somehow don't get peroxidized and they become part of you right part of your tissues Eventually, that's the fate that they're going to ah encounter, almost invariably.
Scientific Explanation of Omega-3 and Omega-6
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because And here's what you have to understand.
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We know that omega-6s are bad for for a multitude of reasons, but one of the reasons omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids are bad for us is because they're unsaturated, right? So they um they have those unsaturations, those double bonds,
00:02:23
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those are vulnerable to this this peroxidation process right to oxidation and that that process breaks little pieces of them and those pieces are ah carcinogenic mutagenic cytotoxic toxic to our cells they're just damaging so when when one polyunsaturated fatty acid is damaged. That causes a chain reaction of peroxidation reactions. And that needs to be stopped by some kind of an antioxidant, be that vitamin E, C, or some kind of antioxidant enzyme. So that's why one of the reasons why omega-6s are not great for you. And I discuss more of the reasons in my book how to actually live longer. but
00:03:12
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Here's the thing. And this one, when I kind of copped onto this last year, a lot, a lot more things made sense. So and for if at first you understand this, what I just explained that these are very, they're very fragile, these um omega sixes, but then, okay, you get that. But then you, once you understand that omega threes are even longer, even more unsaturated, they have more double bonds.
00:03:42
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which makes them even more susceptible to this um but peroxidation process. So the more of these you have in your tissues, in your body, in your eyes, in your organs, in your brain, in your but wherever they may be, you know, in in your cell membranes or whatever, your vascular system doesn't matter. The more of these you have, the more it's like
00:04:10
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the more It's like having um dynamite in in your tissues and you just need to spark to light it up, you know?
Dietary Choices and Omega-3
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so
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That's why I don't i don't ah go out of my way to add them to my diet in terms of like supplementation. It's not like i I'm avoiding all foods that contain omega-3s. It's very hard to avoid these long-term polyunsaturated fats in general or you know in all foods almost.
00:04:45
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so i just the ah ah The last thing I would do is I would buy ah omega-3 fish oil. you know ah Cod liver oil, it's more of a whole food. It has different fatty acids and vitamins and stuff.
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but um
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it's very susceptible to peroxidation. And those per peroxidation products, whether they happen in the bottle when you drink them or they happen in your body, it's it's it's damaging, it's harmful, it accelerates the aging process, right?
Challenges with AI and Omega-3 Data
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So that's kind of the the preamble here, but what today,
00:05:27
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I've been wrestling with chat GPT For a couple of hours this thing. I I would punch it in the face The problem is I would be punching my own monitor. So that's kind of doesn't make a lot of sense But what I did was I have a list of maybe 30 40 or more studies that did show this kind of stuff, you know the damaging effects of Polyunsaturated fats dietary Omega 3's um how they increase lipid peroxidation, oxidative stress, and various markers for oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation like melondialdehyde, T-bars, you know, thioparbituric acids,
00:06:09
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um reaction sub something sub it's been a very long day and um this chat gpt so i fed those papers in it and i told it give me
00:06:27
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a table with everything, um you know, the not not everything with the the study title, the synopsis of the study and a link to PubMed. And I tried multiple times it and it kept giving me giving me fake links to the pub mic So I would click a link in it with like some random other PubMed article that had nothing to do with the polyunsaturated fatty acids promoting you know cytotoxic reactions or whatever other stuff.
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And I kept asking it, so I asked it, the first time I asked it, why did you give me fake links? And it said, I apologize for the confusion earlier. The links I provided were placeholders as I was in the process of gathering information from multiple sources. um But here's the thing. For this, what I just did was if you take the study title, which is what I gave it, if you put it into DuckDuckGo or Google,
00:07:27
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The study comes up PubMed or somewhat Springer or whatever and you can just very easily get get that information yourself, right? So the fact that it wasn't able to do that seems like something nefarious is going on. right So I told it, it gave me another table with fake studies. I said, redo the table with correct links. here's an ah It said, here's an updated table with the correct PubMed links and summaries. Again, it gave me the wrong information. So let me see what I asked it then. Hold on, it's a long table.
00:08:02
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Um, hold on more, more Jesus. Okay. So then I said, why are you lying again? It said at the end, it said the stable includes accurate links and summaries. I said, why are you lying again? And listen to this chat GPT response. I sincerely apologize for the mistakes and confusion caused by the previous responses. Let me correct this by providing, providing accurate PubMed links and correct summaries for the studies you requested. I will cross check the information you to ensure accuracies and so on and so forth.
00:08:34
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Then it said I apologize for the earlier issues with providing accurate and verified links. I will go step by step to gather the information for PubMed. Again, it gave me the wrong links. Okay. It gave me PubMed links that were going to different studies.
00:08:49
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Um, I tried again. It did not give me the the correct studies. I said, are you, you are still giving me wrong links. Why are you continuing to do this? It said again, I apologize for the repeated mistakes. Let's go through the process correctly this time. I'll retrieve accurate links from reliable sources for each study you listed. I will search directly for each reference and provide you with the correct URLs. Please allow me a moment. It's sincere sincere little sincerely, apologized again.
00:09:20
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And again, it gave me the wrong links. And and then normally it only gave me 20 studies, again with the wrong links, and it wouldn't give me the entire list. And then I said, no, they are not correct. Again, how are you retrieving these? Show me your process. So then it showed me the process, identify the study, search on PubMed, cross-verify the details, copy the correct link.
00:09:41
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you know It gave me the process but it still gave me wrong data and this is not the first time it's given me wrong data i did the same thing. A couple of months ago on heart disease stats it was giving me fake randomly generated. Numbers for the years right so.
00:10:00
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I asked more stuff. its It thanked me for my patience. It said I'll notify once I've compiled all the correct links. It will take some time. um I asked, are you done? It said I have not compiled the correct links. And again, it gave me.
00:10:16
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the wrong stuff. Okay. So something nefarious is going on. It's been programmed with a narrative that it wants to you know uphold. So then what I did is I i went, I got the links myself to all of these studies and I put them in ah in a doc and I told it, ah so gave it some instructions and
00:10:44
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Then it gave me the it started giving me the tables that I wanted finally. It took a little bit more. you know ah But here's the thing. So once i gave it actually processed the study links I gave it. right So the study is showing increased oxidative stress and shorter lifespan in animals and in people increased markers of oxidative stress and a bunch of other kind of things like ah epidemiological studies not finding, um you know, benefit in terms of mortality or reduced cardiovascular ah incidents like myocardial infarction and stuff like that. I said, after all of this, I gave it those links and told it to process it. And in capital letters, I said, based only on the studies you just processed, write several paragraphs summarizing the findings separated by topic.
00:11:41
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And this this this just, I am livid here. If I wasn't exhausted wrangling with it all day, i would I would be a lot lividder.
00:11:58
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so it started all So I asked it only on the studies that have shown negative effects. give me summaries based on topics. So it started talking about cardiovascular health and omega-3 fatty acids. And it said they've been extensively studied for their beneficial cardiovascular effect. Several studies suggest that higher intake of omega-3s is associated with reduced risk of cardiovascular events, including heart disease and stroke. Then it gives me some meta-analysis. Then mental health and omega-3 fatty acids.
00:12:31
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ah that the the systematic review meta-analysis supported the efficacy of omega-3 supplementation as an adjunctive treatment for depression um that aligns with the findings of these other researchers than inflammation and autoimmune diseases.
00:12:47
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um omega So these are things, cognitive function and neuroprotection, metabolic health and omega-3 fatty acids. And it gave me a summary saying collectively these studies provide compelling evidence for the multifaceted benefits of omega-3 fatty acids across various domains of health from cardiovascular protection and mental health improvements to anti-inflammatory effects and neuroprotection. Omega-3s emerges crucial nutrients for maintaining health and preventing disease.
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continue it with blah blah blah so then I in capital letters I shouted at it use only the studies I included in the list above it gave me the same bollocks I had just clicked stop so finally I'm like okay let's try a different angle here because the sound bitch is just gonna keep doing it will it will out loop me I can't keep asking the same thing because it it does not need to sleep and stuff like that so I'm like this gonna take all day
00:13:47
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so i So I asked it, using the studies I provided you, explain the mechanisms via which Omega-3s are
Omega-3 Health Risks
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harmful. So here now, this little bastard, it finally started giving me information that I wanted to relay to you. And this is what, the here's the thing.
00:14:10
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It doesn't matter if you're not a biochemist or a physiologist or a doctor or whatever, epidemiologist or epidemiologist. It doesn't matter if you're not those things. If you can understand simple mechanisms in terms of how the body works, right? That can be enough information to make a decision as to whether something, an intervention or a supplement of or a food,
00:14:41
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Is beneficial or not? So this is what I tried to do. This is why I know there's a lot of guys out there that are, they've covered all this Omega 3 is harmful research in much greater depth and have calmed over everything. You know, very um granularly, but my, my goal is to just give a person, a regular person out there.
00:15:07
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a basic understanding of the stuff, why it's not good so that they don't get hoodwinked by all the mainstream news, um mainstream health press articles about how it's good, how everybody's singing Omega 3's praises.
00:15:24
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And even all these studies, they could have ah they could find a negative finding, but the abstract of the study could frame it still as a positive finding or as ah neutral, even though there's clearly a negative finding, right? So here's chat GPT finally actually giving us some mechanisms via which, and I apologize for the long sort of prelude to this, but I was just, just to explain to you why are so, why are people so confused? Why is this information not making it out there? Because the algorithms
00:16:00
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are preventing it very hard. They're making it extremely difficult to get this information and they're getting increasingly more more sophisticated because we're training the damn thing. Anyway.
00:16:18
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So the studies provided indicate several mechanisms through which omega-3 fatty acids can potentially be harmful under certain conditions. And again, it's always like, um potentially under certain conditions, normally they're great, but if something like, ah you know, Ah, so, oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation. One of the primary concerns with omega-3 fatty acids, particularly when consumed in high amounts, is their susceptibility to oxidation. There's a study there, Song et al, 2013.
00:16:57
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ah discussed how omega-3 fatty acids due to their polyunsaturated nature are prone to lipid peroxidation. This process generates reactive oxygen species which can cause oxidative stress and damage cellular components like proteins, DNA and lipids. Keep in mind these cellular components could be in a cell in the brain in your heart, in your liver, in your vascular system, your you know your arteries, whatever. So it could be your skin. right So things you need to function well. right So the more oxidative stress and damage to the cellular components, the more damage to the cell, the quicker that cell will
00:17:47
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Become dysfunctional the quicker the tissue will become dysfunctional and then the organ and then the organ system and then the organism you So the more of this happens oxidative stress and cellular damage the faster we age the faster we Develop disease. Okay. Now oxidative stress is linked to various diseases including cardiovascular disease and cancer as these damaged molecules can disrupt normal cellular functions and promote infl inflammatory responses. Then Omega-3s can be pro-inflammatory. They have pro-inflammatory effects in certain contexts. Again, with all of these sort of qualifiers, it's absolutely exhausting dealing with this nonsense.
00:18:33
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While Omega-3s are generally known for... And again, it's again more qualifiers. Whilst it's generally known that they have anti-inflammatory properties, some studies suggest that under certain conditions, they might contribute to inflammation. Lee et al. 1997, accessible through PubMed.
00:18:52
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indicates that in the presence of high oxidative stress or when improperly metabolized, omega-3 fatty acids can form pro-inflammatory compounds. These compounds can exacerbate inflammatory processes rather than mitigate them, particularly in individuals with compromised antioxidant defenses. If you grab a copy of my book, How to Actually Live Longer, in Chapter 3, I talk about um the antioxidant status of the average American, how poor it is. And this is, again, so in certain contexts, they're pro-inflammatory. If you look at the average American and or the average person in terms of their diet, their stress levels, you know their nutrient status, how much oxidative stress and inflammation is going on in their body, this is most, not most, but the majority of people
00:19:47
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out there are already, they already in their body have this environment that predisposes to these um super fragile Omega-3s to be peroxidized. So you know, telling me that they can be, they can, in certain, you know, high oxidative stress states, they can be improperly metabolized to, to do these pro-inflammatory compounds. You know, many, many people, I think more than 50% of the population already have this higher than, you know, should be oxidative stress, right? So these certain contexts are freaking common.
00:20:35
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So I wouldn't use this qualifier, you know, but obviously it's it's completely biased, right? Another thing here. So remember anti-inflammatory means so inflammation is mediated by the immune system.
00:20:48
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And this is the the one that actually floored me last year and I kind of understood this a little bit but better.
Natural Sources of Omega-3
00:20:53
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And that's when I really doubled down on getting these things out of our diet. And by the way, i mean my family, we we weren't like eating Omega, taking Omega-3 pills and stuff. For the most part, it was cod liver oil.
00:21:07
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ah maybe in the five bottles we went through in the last five, five years, six years. So not that much. And we would but eat fish because we live by the ocean. And we would um I would ah feed my wife and my daughter cod liver from the can with the oil. And I'd give that to my dog and ah fish eggs or hake roll, as it's called. Very delicious. My kid loved it.
00:21:34
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And i would i would well I would open up a little can of that and split it up two, three times a week between all of us. So we're getting a little bit, maybe a gram or two of Omega 3s each time. So not not a huge amount by any means. And there's a lot of other other nutrients there, protein, um um minerals and whatever else. So it wasn't like it was a whole food. It wasn't all that bad, right? But here's the thing. The reason omega-3s and just polyunsaturated fats in general are anti tea-inflammatory, quote unquote, is because they are immunosuppressive. They suppress the immune system. So, of course,
00:22:24
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Chad GPT is walking on eggshells, and it's like potential negative impact on immune function. Another concern is the potential immunosuppressive effects of high-dose omega-3 supplementation. ah Brown et al. 2012, published in Journal of Clinical Epidology, discusses how accessible omega-3 intake can alter immune cell function. This alteration can lead to reduced resistance to infections, impaired wound healing.
00:22:54
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yeah as omega-3s may dampen the body's inflammatory response, which is crucial for fighting infections and repairing tissue damage. um It didn't really mention the the the stuff about the cancer metastasis in rats. That study somehow got... It missed that study where the omega-3s were promoting ah tenfold increase in tumor metastasis. but That study was in there. I know it because I put it in there this morning.
00:23:31
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ah so fun fact back in like the 70s they used to use pog and saturated fats they would give the oils to when a person would get their an organ transplant so the organ transplantee to stop their immune system, their body from rejecting the organ, they would give them these omega-3s and various body and saturated fatty acids ah oils to to suppress their immune
Skepticism and Health Implications
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system. So they're immunosuppressive. And if you suppress the immune system sufficiently and for long enough, that is very conducive to crime cancer proliferation. And this is where you have to a little bit put on your tinfoil hat because
00:24:19
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this There's a lot of money already in the fish oil industry, billions and billions, but and it takes a long time. like In the short term, this immunosuppressive effect, it will suppress certain um inflammation markers. So if you do a study for a month, two months, three months, which is often all that's done with a lot of these type of studies, interventions,
00:24:48
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you will get a good effect and then you can build a large body of evidence on these short-term studies that will then oh my god skyrocket this thing into prominence. Everybody's using it. every Even in my textbook of natural medicine,
00:25:02
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The chapter on on Omega-3 is fish oil. It's huge. Tons of studies in there. um ra Standard, conventional doctors are using it. So everybody is using it. And this is something that I've realized over my years. Studying the stuff is as soon as something is a little bit more mainstream.
00:25:23
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you have to sort of raise an eyebrow and and start thinking, that whoa, whoa, whoa, something, something. I smell a rat. I smell a rat. you know So we have to really question everything. And again, this
00:25:38
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This does not manifest quickly. So you could take this fish oil for years and years and years, decades, and then maybe one day if you have a health issue, how are you ever going to pinpoint that on the fish oil, on this gradual um but constant lipid peroxidation?
00:25:57
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depletion of antioxidants. And by the way, we can test for this um with my clients. When we run the Metabolomics test, which which is a urine collection, um we can see lipid peroxides as a marker. And we can also do an add-on test, which only costs like 50 bucks, that checks for or fatty acids in in the blood. It's a dried blood spot test you collect on a piece of card. So you you ship that back to the lab. They picked that up. A courier picks it up from your home. ah Super convenient. And we then can see the lipid peroxides and we can see the state of the rest of the fatty acid, right? And I've noticed a pattern when the lipid peroxides are in the yellow, right? So not in the green. Green is lowish, low to lowish.
00:26:51
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and then yellow is obviously medium and then red is bad but yeah to me yellow is not freaking good either i wouldn't want to ever to be in the yellow or any of my clients to be in the yellow but in the yellow means there's an increase in lipid peroxidation the pattern i've noticed is then the um omega 3s will be like low in the red and the the lab's automated report will recommend 1000, 2000 milligrams of um Omega 3s. And I'm like, I tell my clients, you know, just please for the love of God, ignore the auto-generated report. No, it's not all bad, of course. it's It's interesting for clients to read about and, you know, educate themselves about this stuff. But that particular aspect of it is, again, it's all based on literature.
00:27:45
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And of course, if all the literature is designed to to push the narrative, then what what do you going what do you expect? right it's got That's what evidence-based
Omega-3 and Cancer
00:27:57
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is nowadays. The problem is if you're evidence-based and evidence-limited, you are screwed or potentially your clients or if you're a doctor, your patients are screwed.
00:28:06
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because the evidence base can obviously, and this is not the only example in many other examples, can be really badly skewed, can be on a house of cards built on very sort of precarious footing. So this immunosuppressive effect, again, long-term, look at the rise in cancer.
00:28:35
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Look, ah do you think it's a coincidence that the increase in polyunsaturated fat consumption, Omega 3s and 6s, over the last hundred years or so, do you think it's a coincidence? So
Alternative Health Solutions
00:28:48
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this makes a lot of money and then it it can feed the cancer industry. That's that's why Personally, feel free to disagree. But that's why I think chat GPT has made it so damn hard today to actually extract ah some counter sort of position on the amazing effects of Omega 3s. And there's more. you know There's increased bleeding risk. ah it this is It gave me that based on the studies I gave it. um
00:29:24
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yeah potential diabetogenic effects. But there's a lot more that it didn't, right? And I'm going to be doing more deep dives, but the what i what I was planning to do is in Volume two of the how to actually live longer series. I'm going to um Have a whole chapter on this and kind of look look at it from a deeper level all the different mechanisms and again look they can give us a lot of different amazing research and all the oh your it lowered your cholesterol it lowered your oh Whatever right your inflammatory markers
00:30:05
Speaker
So, first of all, who cares about those cardiometabolic markers or just kindergarten stuff? And then, okay, lower the inflammation, but what what what about six, 12 months down the line, five years down the line, right? What about what happens then? And then, the again, the beauty of this ah lab testing that we can do with, we can order for clients, direct to their home, collected conveniently in the home,
00:30:30
Speaker
and picked up by courier we can actually see your level of lipid peroxides and DNA damage there's a marker called 8-hydroxy 2-deoxyguanosine Ito-HDG, that's another marker that can indicate oxidative stress. So when these are, I mean, I've never seen them like in the red, but when we see them with clients on in the yellow, there there's definitely a lot of room for improvement in terms of that person's biochemistry, physiology, antioxidant status, stuff like that. But here's the thing.
00:31:11
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We've seen this in clients that are not necessarily they don't have a serious health issue. They just came to me to optimize some stuff, get like you know do some lab testing, see what's up. So these people are already functioning at a high level. And in some cases, taking eating really well, doing of the low toxin lifestyle type thing, and um taking tons of supplements, a couple of dozen supplements, good quality stuff. But we we are seeing these markers in the yellow. So something is going on.
00:31:46
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in in the person in terms of inflammation oxidative stress some other stress that is causing this somewhat elevated lipid peroxidation and again you might feel good for a very long time before you see the the some kind of outward manifestation of these damaging processes so the key is this is why What we do with my longevity program is so powerful because why wait when why wait until you develop a symptom? Why wait 20 years? you Do you wait for your car to break down and then you go fix it? but Most people don't do that. you You go to the mechanic once a year and they check it out. They're like, okay, this is going to wear out soon. Let's change that, but blah, blah, blah.
00:32:34
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So why shouldn't we do that with our vehicle, the most important vehicle we'll ever own? The only vehicle really that matters at the end of the day. So this is the kind of stuff we find. And then the the beauty is we can address these things with supplementation diet and certain lifestyle things you know you don't have to do um you don't have to do these uh gene therapy or crazy sort of uh stem cell stuff no no a lot of the stuff most of the stuff we address with targeted supplementation you have to know what you're doing dietary changes in some cases and just basic stress reduction uh things like you know gut health
00:33:17
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ah the improving detoxification, improving hormone balance, right? Because if you have a lot of Omega 3s or Omega 6s in your body, then any stressor becomes a spark to them, right? So getting dialing in the stress, lowering the stress is so important, especially because it takes years for these polyunsaturated fats to get out of your body to kind of be replaced with better ah quality building blocks. So during that time you want to keep stress inflammation and oxidative stress really low. Those are the three primary drivers of aging and dysfunction as I talk about in volume one of the how to actually live longer series. So yeah, the
00:34:05
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Excuse me. I will be doing further deep dives ah into this. It's a bit of a rabbit hole, as you can see. It's difficult again to it's difficult to undo conditioning like this.
00:34:22
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Trust me, if if you think this is, you know, wow, or whatever, if you're a little bit sort of awestruck with this, I guarantee you there are dozens of other things that you could potentially be doing that could be doing you harm or or more harm than good. So the best way to get ahead of the game in this side of things is to Work with me as a client so you can go to my website link is down below and you can apply for a free call with me or where we can discuss your health goals and See if we are fit to work together. I can explain how we can help you achieve your goals by enrolling you in my
00:35:09
Speaker
Live Longer Formula, which is the name of my health optimization and longevity program. And it's it's designed to address existing health issues because most people actually do have existing imbalances and health issues. nobody Almost nobody's coming like with an ideal state of health, looking to optimize it further. Everybody, especially after the age of about 40, has a bunch of imbalances, some more than others, right? But the key is This is what I help clients to do is we quickly identify those and then we quickly begin addressing them comprehensively, right? And then over the course of us working together, you're going to learn everything you need to know to maintain your health for life. So that's kind of the goal of my program is to
00:35:58
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Help you identify address these you know imbalances and whatever else and then Teach you give you the tools and help you Install the habits and the practices that will then help you maintain your health for life So you don't need to keep coming back to me that this model is ah Peel for a nail come back when you you're sicker this this has to be replaced with something better when it's education and ah Just a Set of eyes it can really help you Identify what to work on what we're what we move the needle for you the most then after that You have the tools
00:36:40
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to continue on your journey and you know continue maintaining your health well into old age. So
Conclusion
00:36:48
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if you're interested in that, you can check the link down below, go to the website, see what it's all about, and you can then take the next step and apply for a free intro call with me. And then, of course, if you if you qualify, we can we can talk and meet and see how how we can make beautiful things happen.
00:37:07
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So thanks for tuning into this episode and I will see you on the next one.