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Exploring Other Realms and States of Consciousness | Lindsey Scharmyn
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Lindsey Scharmyn is a Spiritual and Shamanic Teacher and Healer who uses Tarot and Sound Healing tools as well as channeling in order to assist Soul Retrieval, Transformative Healing, and Past Life Integration. Lindsey came from the darkest valleys of life and through Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder to anchor herself into the Light of that which is Good, True, and Beautiful. She has dedicated her life to bringing transformative teaching and healing to students of all ages via her trilogy of fictional novels, her channeled spiritual and inspirational oracle books, via her many healing services and modalities, and her show Rogue Ways.
Lindsey offers channeling of the Spiritual Ancestors, spiritual teaching, guidance, readings, healing, blessings, courses, and orgone to empower people to uplift and heal themselves. She is a Master & Board Certified Teacher, host of Rogue Ways, CEO of Rogue Soul, a spiritual guide, and a longtime traveler between other realms and states of consciousness who aims to continuously uplift all of herself in order to uplift all of the world.
Connect with Lindsey:
http://www.rogueways.substack.com/
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https://www.amazon.com/stores/Lindsey-Scharmyn/author/B0BWNVW8ZL
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Intro
00:00:53
Christian Yordanov
Hey folks, welcome back to the show. Christian Jordanoff here. Today's guest is Lindy Sharman. She's a spiritual and shamanic teacher and healer who uses tarot and sound healing tools as well as channeling in order to assist soul retrieval, transformative healing and past life integration.
00:01:12
Christian Yordanov
Lindy came from the darkest valleys of life and through complex post-traumatic stress disorder to anchor herself into the light of that which is good, true and beautiful. She has dedicated her life to bringing transformative teaching and healing to students of all ages via her trilogy of fictional novels, her channeled spiritual and inspirational oracle books, via her many healing services and modalities, and her show, her podcast, Rogue Ways, which I had the pleasure of being on a few days ago.
00:01:42
Christian Yordanov
ah Lindsay offers channeling. of the spiritual ancestors, spiritual teaching, guidance, readings, healings, blessings, courses, and orgone to empower people to uplift and heal themselves.
00:01:55
Christian Yordanov
She's a mo master and board certified teacher, host of Rogue Ways, CEO of Rogue Soul, a spiritual guide, and a long-time traveler between other realms and states of consciousness who aims to continuously uplift all of herself in order to uplift all of the world.
00:02:11
Christian Yordanov
Lindsay, welcome to the show.
00:02:12
Lindsey Scharmyn
Thank you, k Christian. It's so good to be here.
00:02:15
Christian Yordanov
So that's quite a bio. And, um you know, as as I was telling you, um i just, ah Charlie Robinson has been telling me about you for a while. And, you know, like I said, some of my clients ah really love you.
00:02:28
Christian Yordanov
But then I heard you on Day Zero, which is the other show you host with Charlie and a couple of other dudes. And I heard you and Charlie talk about Bufo, he was talking about his Bufo ceremony experience Anarcapulco in February.
00:02:45
Christian Yordanov
And just, that was the first time I listened to Day Zero and you completely blew me away with kind of your knowledge of this stuff. So really, really have been looking forward to this um interview.
00:02:58
Lindsey Scharmyn
Oh, thank you. It's so funny because you talk about that. And I have no idea what I said on that show. But I know it's like a sliver of what I would usually say about that topic.
00:03:08
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I love that it called to you and that, you know, even that little bit that I get to sneak into day zero can sort of connect with people, you know.
00:03:11
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:03:15
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah. So just just for the listeners and and myself, because, you know, I I'm not super well acquainted with all of your work. How did you how did you get into all of this stuff?
00:03:29
Lindsey Scharmyn
i I will say with, um you know, some part of me really hating this, because I'd heard other people say it in the past, and I'd be like, you, what does that even mean? You phony.
00:03:39
Lindsey Scharmyn
But I literally was called to it. i I don't believe I really had a choice consciously of whether or not this was what I was going to do in my life. i um From a pretty early age, I was guided without understanding what was happening. I would have experiences I didn't have a background for.
00:03:57
Lindsey Scharmyn
I don't i don't have, you know, spiritual people in my life necessarily. We had a very, very slight Christian influence that was hardly there at all. And that was it, you know.
00:04:07
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I would have these interdimensional experiences and I would go astral traveling and I would go out of body and I just didn't know what that was. I thought it was just crazy dreams and weird, weird experiences, you know.
00:04:20
Lindsey Scharmyn
And, you know, but it did...
00:04:20
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:04:22
Lindsey Scharmyn
um ignite my curiosity. And it did continuously sort of pull me into understanding ah soul and and spirit and and these other dimensions more and more and seeking sort of answers. And um so I just, I did always have sort of a spiritual dimension.
00:04:38
Lindsey Scharmyn
um And all of those experiences ins ensured that I would continuously be enmeshed and entangled in that be learning about that. And I also was sort of thrown multiple times in my life into shamanic teaching or guidance by shamans.
00:04:55
Lindsey Scharmyn
I would never be seeking these people and I would never. And in fact, just as I really disliked people who would say things like, I was called to this. I also really disliked, you know, people who would call themselves shamans or people who would call themselves healers.
00:05:04
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. yeah
00:05:10
Lindsey Scharmyn
ah Because in my experience, they would mostly be phonies and fakes, you know, and they were just trying to fleece people and pretend like they were doing something. And so i would meet these teachers and I might instant sort of like disregard and like, yeah, right. You know, skepticism, like you're, you're going to be a phony. And then really insane transformative things would happen. And I'd have be forced say, oh, you do actually, yeah you are actually one of the real ones. I didn't realize, you know, that that really existed.
00:05:39
Lindsey Scharmyn
And then I would sort of be crash course, you know, trial by fire and sort of like forced to learn even more from them. you know, and move on. And then another teacher would sort of fall into my life.
00:05:49
Lindsey Scharmyn
And by the time I heard the phrase, when the student is ready, the teacher appears, I was like, oh, that's true. i do That is like, absolutely true that life will, life will figure that out for you.
00:05:55
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:05:59
Lindsey Scharmyn
So yeah, I do feel called. I do feel like this was but sort of laid out by my soul way before I got here. And um this was the plan all along. So um there's a ah somewhat short answer to that.
00:06:08
Christian Yordanov
yeah ah it it reminds me you know that YouTube channel awaken with JP yeah so have you seen the have you seen the video of the one it's called something along the lines of
00:06:11
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:06:17
Lindsey Scharmyn
Oh yeah. yeah
00:06:24
Christian Yordanov
how spiritual people make money or something like that. Have you seen that one?
00:06:27
Lindsey Scharmyn
I don't know. if I think so.
00:06:28
Christian Yordanov
So it's the one where like, um they're like the two two friends and they're like ah, we're broke, we need to make money. so So they start like ah starting like businesses and he he gives examples of how those spiritual people make make ah money. So one of the this the the jokes was, I hold space.
00:06:49
Lindsey Scharmyn
I hold space.
00:06:49
Christian Yordanov
I hold space for people.
00:06:50
Christian Yordanov
And then they're like, they're sitting there together and in another scene. He's like, I think I'm going to be an ayahuasca shaman. but so So that's kind of how I always, I always kind of also looked at a lot of these people that that call themselves like healers and shamans. But when when I've actually met someone and ah other people can vouch for for, for example, I, briefly met a few times, uh, Christoph Melchizedek at Anarchapulco. don't know if you know him.
00:06:50
Lindsey Scharmyn
No.
00:07:16
Lindsey Scharmyn
no
00:07:17
Christian Yordanov
um and he he he kind of does this kind of stuff. So having felt his energy in interacting with him in a very close sort of space, I kind of like, okay, this guy seems to, he started telling me how um his children, who are like not even 10 years old, they have been initiating to Bwiti with Iboga.
00:07:38
Christian Yordanov
I'm like, all right, this dude's like, so anyway, so when you kind of,
00:07:39
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah. Mm-hmm. the
00:07:42
Christian Yordanov
see a person and some kind of, you feel something or something transformative happens, then, or you just hear them and you know, this guy guy or gal isn't bullshitting, then you're like, all right, okay, now I can learn something from this person. So that's kind of how I felt as soon as I,
00:07:57
Christian Yordanov
as soon as i heard you talk on day zero it was kind of probably the first time maybe i've seen you before and podcasts and stuff i just couldn't recall but don ah as soon as i heard you talking about things i knew it was coming from a place of like ah you you being an authority on a lot of these topics you know so super super impressed so the the the question is where do we even begin i think i'm gonna probably sort of
00:08:16
Lindsey Scharmyn
Thank you.
00:08:24
Christian Yordanov
crowbar a bunch of things I'm curious about so let let me start with something like um in your view what is this realm and what is the purpose that we come here for
00:08:39
Lindsey Scharmyn
Just a small question, right? ah No, I love it. this is a This is one of the things too that, um you know when you're talking about having authority and and, you know, people will sometimes respond to to my presence or whatever, in the and they'll say things like, oh, you're just down to earth and you're just real, right? Like you're just...
00:08:58
Lindsey Scharmyn
And it's like, well, yeah, I'm just honest, actually. And all of this stuff I've gathered is from my direct experience. Again, I wasn't looking for it and I wasn't like trying to be this.
00:09:09
Lindsey Scharmyn
So things would just happen. And like once they'd happen, I'd i'd have to admit, okay, well, now I know we can go out of body. And now I know there's other dimensions. And now I know there's other states of consciousness.
00:09:20
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I know myself as a soul and and all of these things I know. And so that's where that authority comes from, right? People will say like, oh, it gets passed down through a lineage. Sure, but that lineage can be spiritual, right?
00:09:32
Lindsey Scharmyn
And sometimes even if it's not, if it's one of these physical lineages, The person who received it didn't really want it, didn't deserve it, isn't carrying it well. And so is it actually as good, you know, so you do have to respond to that vibration of it or that feeling of it or that sort of resonance in you that says this is something for me, right? and And so i I love that that is how we sort of communicate and call each other.
00:09:56
Lindsey Scharmyn
But
00:09:57
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:09:58
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah, this place is basically that, right? It's a place to experience our choices and the results of those choices and what we can create and what we can be intentional about and and how that works out for us.
00:10:12
Lindsey Scharmyn
um You know, we come from a place that is pure, And again, just to use the words we've heard a million times, it's pure light, it's pure love, it's pure vibration, it's pure goodness, it's pure truth.
00:10:25
Lindsey Scharmyn
um And even beyond that, there's sort of like the unknowable unknown source or true God or whatever you want to think of that. And that's even more so, like less discernible and just one one thing, right?
00:10:39
Lindsey Scharmyn
And when we come here and we're in this physical body, we slow down, right? We have this linear first this, then this, then this, then this. And it's much easier for us to sort of see and parse those things out.
00:10:51
Lindsey Scharmyn
We get to pretend like we are separate from that state of of oneness and pure love and pure light and pure truth. And we get to really sort of prove it when it comes down to it, right? We can say when we're up in that state, of course, I'm good, true and beautiful. And of course, I'm of the light. And of course, what and then we come down here and it's like, okay, we'll prove it. If you forgot everything and you and you had nothing else to go on, but just you and who you are, would you come back to the light? Would you find out that you are the light and you are love?
00:11:21
Lindsey Scharmyn
um And the answer is eventually everyone. is yes, right? But now we get to really know it. it's ah It's the same as saying, you know, oh, I can teach you, i can tell you all of these things.
00:11:33
Lindsey Scharmyn
But until you go out of body, you won't actually know it. You can say, oh, I believe that. But that doesn't really mean anything. It's just your best guess, right? I believe that. But do you know it?
00:11:44
Lindsey Scharmyn
Right? And so here we get to know it. Here we get to see exactly what it is and and who we are.
00:11:51
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, that's yeah, well well said. um so Just to to give you ah a bit of a backstory. So when when we we did the Bufu ceremony with Charlie, you know, i that was the first time, that was my first time. And I've done psychedelics and stuff. I hadn't done anything probably like in three years or something since my daughter was born.
00:12:16
Christian Yordanov
So i was obviously nervous and stuff. But um i what I experienced was... so profound i was actually i was crying before you know as the bare heart the shaman was explaining things and then you know charlie went and she went again and like just that entire time i was like kind of intermittently sobbing and crying and and after the experience again i cried probably like from like 15 minutes or something like that
00:12:51
Christian Yordanov
then just of smiling and crying because I experienced that unconditional love you know um and just knowing it's it's but a distant memory now but just knowing that's the source that you kind of that's it it's it's there at all times you know it's the source of everything it's pretty like it was it's kind of life-changing you know
00:13:13
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:19
Lindsey Scharmyn
ah
00:13:19
Christian Yordanov
um ah So just before we kind of I want to ask you about a few um ah things like, ah you know, more saucy stuff or demonic encounters and stuff. But what's what's your experience with Bufo being?
00:13:34
Christian Yordanov
um Just curious.
00:13:36
Lindsey Scharmyn
Well, so I'll tell you first, i I had a lot of drug use and abuse as a child, right? I have very, very traumatic childhood, very negative, dark.
00:13:44
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:13:48
Lindsey Scharmyn
And um so a lot of drugs and a lot of partying. And, um you know, i've I've used LSD hundreds of times. So more than the average tripper.
00:13:58
Lindsey Scharmyn
I've been like very, very in that world and lots of mushrooms too and some mescaline here and there.
00:13:59
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:14:04
Lindsey Scharmyn
So really intense. um you know, often frequent i ah psychedelic journeying, I'll say. and And even though I was in that darkness, I tended to be called to pretty intense light.
00:14:13
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:14:17
Lindsey Scharmyn
I tended to be the trip mother. I tended to be helping people process things that I didn't know. I wasn't meaning to. that was just like the way it turned out over and over again. So even in that, I still was getting a sort of taste of of what I was here for and what it was all about.
00:14:33
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I'd have some pretty intense interdimensional experiences again, which I did, I thought were just trips. And now i'm like, oh, I was going places. like You know, i was out and about traveling. So I've gained some perspective on that. But suffice to say, I i stopped at some point.
00:14:47
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I was like, I don't need any psychedelics ever again. Like been there, done that to the extreme, don't need anymore.
00:14:51
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:54
Lindsey Scharmyn
Right. i I can go anywhere, anytime I can receive things I can travel. I can, I don't need this anymore. Right. So i even marijuana is a psychedelic.
00:15:04
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I even stopped using that because it was just, even that would like send me.
00:15:07
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:15:09
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I'm like, I don't want, I don't need more guides around. I don't need more messages. I don't need to go anywhere. So I even stopped using that. So I quit drinking at some point. like I quit smoking, you know, so I've been like sober for a long time.
00:15:22
Lindsey Scharmyn
And ah all of a sudden, I was called to do Bufo.
00:15:22
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:27
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I and I didn't even know, honestly, that this was the most you know, I've heard of DMT a million times. I've seen Spirit Molecule or whatever that movie is, you know, I've seen these things.
00:15:34
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:15:35
Lindsey Scharmyn
And so I understood it was really intense. I didn't know it was like the most intense psychedelic on the planet Bufo. specifically. And so I didn't really know that. I just, a long time ago, I learned that when I'm guided and when I'm told basically to do something that I just should do it.
00:15:50
Lindsey Scharmyn
And because that's how things work out well. And especially, you know, I don't know always what's in plan or what's in store. And so it's just easier for me if I go along with what I'm guided to do and trust that guidance.
00:16:01
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:16:02
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I was guided to do Bufa. I was kind of like, really? Like after just decades, I think of no, no psychedelics, you know, no drug use. And then I'm supposed to go do this and, but okay, I will. And so I had some hesitation because I was like, well, I haven't done any of this in so long. And You know, there's just something in me that was a bit resistant to it. um But i was I trust my guidance. So I went up um to this beautiful shamanic place up in the mountains here. It was a beautiful day.
00:16:31
Lindsey Scharmyn
ah Beautiful blue sky. No chemtrails, right? You know, like just for me, just for us that day. so
00:16:36
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:16:37
Lindsey Scharmyn
and ah Lovely. We got to do the trip outside, um the journey. And I just knew it was going to be pretty intense because otherwise I wouldn't have been called. And again, I already have.
00:16:50
Lindsey Scharmyn
so many experiences that don't like need this in my mind. so what is this for? Right. So anyways, trusting going into it. Um, and I, and I was doing my little mantra as I'm, you know, inhaling.
00:17:04
Lindsey Scharmyn
And, and as you know, as soon as you start inhaling, it's basically already taking you, you're already going.
00:17:07
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:17:09
Lindsey Scharmyn
And so in my mantra is, um, I am love i am I am loved, I am protected, I think was what saying. I'm loved, I'm protected, right?
00:17:20
Lindsey Scharmyn
So make sure. but shaman seems cool, but I'm to be my own you know guide here and channel here just just in case. and ah And right away, i heard, you are loved.
00:17:30
Lindsey Scharmyn
You are protected. you And anything i was saying, it was just saying back to me.
00:17:31
Christian Yordanov
she said
00:17:34
Lindsey Scharmyn
And that was like shaking me out of myself. And i ah you know I split out. And you know it gets very nonlinear. So whatever order things actually happen in, might it's anyone's guess, right?
00:17:45
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:17:47
Lindsey Scharmyn
But I know I was out. I know I went to... how many dimensions I couldn't even describe. I was talking to millions of guides of about millions of things. I was traveling to all sorts of points in my own life and like doing things for myself and I was guiding myself and I did all of that in like a heartbeat it seemed like.
00:18:12
Lindsey Scharmyn
I also looked back down at my tiny self, my little ego, Lindsay, laying on the ground on a Colorado mountain in the sun. And I saw her holding on still, right? That little bit of resistance, that little bit of like maybe fear or just like not trust.
00:18:29
Lindsey Scharmyn
was was actually blocking like an immense amount. And it was so tiny, right? In my mind, in my heart, like this wasn't a huge fear. It wasn't a huge resistance. It's just this little, and again, I have lots of trauma, PTSD. So trust is like the thing.
00:18:45
Lindsey Scharmyn
I've had to work the most at right like I trust really just one human in this whole world and he's in the next room you know like I don't trust anyone technically i can tell myself I do like yeah this is my friend and I love no part of me is always like m who knows you could break at any moment you could s snap like I don't you know I just this is what trauma is like for me so
00:18:45
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
00:18:49
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:03
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:19:07
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:19:07
Lindsey Scharmyn
So that little piece, right, but I could see like it was just blocking so much. There was so much already coming through and so much already happening, but that was blocking so much. So I yelled at myself from 10 dimensions up, it feels like, you know, from like the...
00:19:22
Lindsey Scharmyn
heaven center of all things, you know, which I had been to before, I was like, surrender. And my little body said, surrender loud.
00:19:33
Lindsey Scharmyn
So while i'm in the middle of this trip off a million miles away, my little body says, surrender, like, yeah like I'm yelling it at the shamans and so, you know,
00:19:40
Christian Yordanov
uh
00:19:41
Lindsey Scharmyn
and uh but it worked and i felt my body so surrender because i trust me you know so i was yelling to myself to surrender so i trusted that enough to actually fully let go and then it like like i already thought i was up i thought already thought i was out i already thought i was doing things but this was much much bigger what i saw was ah
00:19:42
Christian Yordanov
ah
00:20:05
Lindsey Scharmyn
And it sounds too big to be true. And it sounds, you know, people will say, yeah, right. Or who do you think you are whatever? But it felt as though that was a moment that the whole earth like shifted to a different timeline that was much, much better for everybody, which ties back to an experience I had when I was young, which we could talk about if we want to, which is deeply actually connected to this experience.
00:20:23
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:20:26
Lindsey Scharmyn
But ah there was like codes coming through from heaven through my channel of my little ego, Lindsay body. into the earth, like shift and the earth was responding to it and choosing to be in that alignment and instead of another.
00:20:43
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I'll say just as an aside, there are dark magicians and there are black magicians. um wizards and there are people who have been placing into earth the directions to go a different direction right and to instead be in the darkness and ah create more strife for for earth and for humanity and so this was sort of at least a balance to some of that right calling back to and like dissolving some of those things Um, so I felt that happening.
00:21:15
Lindsey Scharmyn
and that was all, you know, ah higher self Lindsay is just like, of course, yeah, that's what we do. Right. This is how it is. But little ego Lindsay was just like, how is that even possible?
00:21:26
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah
00:21:26
Lindsey Scharmyn
My body was shaking and twitching in ways that I could never recreate, you know, it was too fast. The vibration coming through is like too fast. I couldn't even like wiggle my hand as quickly as it was like vibrating.
00:21:35
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:21:38
Lindsey Scharmyn
And so, My body was definitely releasing a lot of old, old, old trauma ancestrally. and Otherwise, I can still sometimes have it sort of come back ah in moments where I'm really deep in the channel. That same sort of ah vibration will come back and move through my body. And ah so that was happening.
00:22:00
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I kind of like came back to my body for a minute or I just was back with the experience of it. ah And i opened my eyes and I was still deep in the journey, deep in the and the trip. And so I don't know if you were opened your eyes at any point during this, but the world's fractal state comes into much deeper ah appreciation. Like,
00:22:24
Lindsey Scharmyn
every atom and every photon is its own fractal and so the whole world was that and also and it's so hard to describe but like one shaman like had a feather thing that came through and some smoke wafted through and a bird flew by and the pine tree was you know little bow was in my vision and someone else was you know ringing a bell or doing something and all of that made a face that talked to me.
00:22:55
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I said, oh, oh, your God, how is everyone here being you?
00:22:56
Christian Yordanov
Well, well.
00:23:02
Lindsey Scharmyn
How is that pine tree and this bird and the smoke and that shaman knowing when to move in order to make your face appear to be a face in my field of view. and God was like, because everything is God.
00:23:16
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I was like, oh yeah. And then I went back out again and did some other interdimensional stuff. And, you know, but it was, ah I also had the tears when I was really back in the body, you know, I was just bawling.
00:23:22
Christian Yordanov
well
00:23:28
Lindsey Scharmyn
And and the I love the shaman who I worked with. And she was doing a little bit of projecting. She's like, oh you're, you're in a, and maybe I was releasing some of this stuff from childhood. Like you just, you didn't get enough love and you would, and it's true. Right. So maybe some of that was coming out, but I was like, no, these tears are tears of pure joy.
00:23:49
Lindsey Scharmyn
Like this is just deep awe.
00:23:50
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:23:52
Lindsey Scharmyn
Like this is not sadness.
00:23:53
Christian Yordanov
yeah yes yes yes yeah yeah yeah
00:23:55
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah. So those, I lasted for a while where I was just, cry i couldn't stop crying and shaking and Yeah. um You know, for the next few days.
00:24:06
Lindsey Scharmyn
Well, right after this, you know, little a couple hours later, I was in a city, um which is such a weird place to be right after this transcendental experience, you know, but it was Boulder, if anybody's familiar with Boulder, Colorado it was a couple hours from where this um shaman lived. And so we were back in Boulder.
00:24:21
Lindsey Scharmyn
And very spiritual place. So I guess it's the safest city maybe to be in with a deep spiritual experience like this.
00:24:27
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:24:27
Lindsey Scharmyn
But I was just like, had to like force myself not to just yell at everyone and be like, you're God, you're God and everything's perfect. Like just be the crazy person on the street.
00:24:38
Christian Yordanov
Oh my God.
00:24:39
Lindsey Scharmyn
I was like, don't, don't do it.
00:24:41
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:24:41
Lindsey Scharmyn
It's not how it should be.
00:24:42
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:24:42
Lindsey Scharmyn
Like, just, just know it, just radiate it, but you don't have to yell at it people. But I wanted to just like shake everyone and be like, don't you know, you're God.
00:24:47
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. ah
00:24:51
Lindsey Scharmyn
like yeah
00:24:52
Christian Yordanov
Oh, that's
00:24:53
Lindsey Scharmyn
you're God and everything is perfect so i did a whole episode sharing some of those things that I'm I'm you know there's some things I don't necessarily share and there's other things I'm guided to share with people and so I did an episode where I share this experience and what I can share of it and that's that's the title of it everything is perfect and you are God oh yeah
00:24:56
Christian Yordanov
beautiful.
00:25:12
Christian Yordanov
I need to find, I need to listen to that.
00:25:14
Lindsey Scharmyn
ah but yeah
00:25:14
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. um Yeah, it's the I'll tell you the the next day, we were just like, it was all over, you know, so we were going, I was flying back, I had three flights and layovers and I had to like do bunch of work on the way back, but every like, were like, the plane would be sort of about to, you know, take off and,
00:25:27
Lindsey Scharmyn
Thank you. Thank
00:25:41
Christian Yordanov
out there like just the bare heart told me and charlie if if if it feels overwhelming if you feel that again that feeling just keep going thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you so i was there like multiple times throughout that next 24 hours trying to not sort of start crying again just holding like dude just hold it hold it
00:26:00
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:26:04
Lindsey Scharmyn
Just breathe.
00:26:05
Christian Yordanov
You're grown man.
00:26:05
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:26:06
Christian Yordanov
You can't be a grown man at the airport in a plane or whatever, crying, bawling your eyes because it's so beautiful.
00:26:06
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:26:09
Lindsey Scharmyn
ah yeah
00:26:12
Christian Yordanov
And you are wrapped in unconditional love. And that's your source. And that's your, you know, your father, mother, God, as, you know, some guys call it.
00:26:24
Lindsey Scharmyn
yeah
00:26:24
Christian Yordanov
So, yeah, definitely talking about stepping into different timelines, you know. ah I felt like something materially changed in my world after that experience, you know.
00:26:35
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:26:37
Christian Yordanov
And the the the two weeks after that, was still integrating the experience. I was having dreams at night of the ceremony and then just kind of... It's almost like... It's almost like... I
00:26:53
Christian Yordanov
<unk> i don't even... like the the The way you're talking about, like you have so much... more of an ability to articulate these things, because at one point, I think you were saying that on the day zero podcast, it's so overwhelming that some people just white out or they black out.
00:27:08
Christian Yordanov
So I felt like. It hit me so hard, the the the white light that and ah talking about the twitching, I was twitching. I saw how Charlie was twitching. was man, was like,
00:27:23
Christian Yordanov
oh
00:27:24
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:27:24
Christian Yordanov
this kind of This is the kind of noises I was making, you know, it was just so...
00:27:28
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:27:29
Christian Yordanov
And I remember at one point, like you were saying, for a minute you just come back and it was still so overwhelming that was trying to almost run away from this, we crawl away from the experience
00:27:34
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:27:41
Christian Yordanov
And um I was like, was kind of, help me, Bearheart, help me. So he started, I don't know, was he singing? Was he playing the flute?
00:27:50
Lindsey Scharmyn
yeah
00:27:50
Christian Yordanov
But he had these these musical instruments and the drums to kind of help you kind of sort of dissolve back into the experience.
00:27:54
Lindsey Scharmyn
Come back in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:56
Christian Yordanov
But I think he was started singing. and like at that point, the it was so, the vibration was so that that's when, you know, you like you lose complete space-time perception.
00:28:11
Lindsey Scharmyn
yeah
00:28:12
Christian Yordanov
And then things happen. This is why I want to go back. Because like I have almost no recollection of what actually happened.
00:28:19
Lindsey Scharmyn
yeah
00:28:20
Christian Yordanov
And then I came back. Started coming back. And I was like, fuck, why did I fight that whole time? i was like, what?
00:28:26
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:28:29
Christian Yordanov
So then I was just covered my eyes because it was so bright. just covered my eyes and tried to grasp and just try to get get anything I could remember from this.
00:28:40
Christian Yordanov
You know, it's absolutely phenomenal.
00:28:41
Lindsey Scharmyn
yeah Oh, it's so, yeah it's so hard because we spend our whole lives being in, it um if if we're not controlling ourselves, someone's controlling us.
00:28:43
Christian Yordanov
ah Anyway, it's...
00:28:51
Lindsey Scharmyn
We're in control systems. You know, we're, like you said, we can't just get on a plane, start crying. We have to control ourselves, right?
00:28:57
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:28:58
Lindsey Scharmyn
Like everything we do is like such tight control actually. And so to surrender to let go, or if you're like me and you have any trauma to trust and let go, like this is actually huge.
00:29:09
Lindsey Scharmyn
um And when we do, when that's coming through, you know Whether it's Bufo or it's spiritual healing or whatever other version of being in alignment, being in flow, being present ah we're doing, we're releasing not just our own experiences of darkness or trauma or hardship, but all the ancestral shit too. And holy shit is there a lot of it.
00:29:31
Lindsey Scharmyn
Our ancestors have even less ability to, I'm saying way, way, way back, they had more ability, but like for the past couple of thousands of years, at least it's been real dark, real hard, and not great.
00:29:31
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:29:43
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:29:43
Lindsey Scharmyn
So like we're carrying all this stress and all this trauma from our ancestors too. And that's sort of when we're twitching like that, like that's what's releasing actually is coming out. um There's other modalities of healing that you can do that aren't necessarily considered spiritual, but they are.
00:29:59
Lindsey Scharmyn
um that are sort of tremor, tremor release, trauma release through tremor.
00:30:01
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. TRE. Yeah.
00:30:03
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah, TRE.
00:30:04
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:30:05
Lindsey Scharmyn
and And others that are similar to TRE that are supposed to induce that shaking. And that's letting your nervous system release all of this. And it's very similar to what I do when I'm doing spiritual work with people.
00:30:17
Lindsey Scharmyn
You know, and it's very common that people will feel like something very profound happened or in the moment itself, they know something bigger than what they can recall happened right bigger than what they can translate back into conscious reality um and this is also very normal and it's very much we're we're not spending a lot of time in this life most of us in connection with our higher self or our subconscious right and both are talking to us all the time we just don't we just ignore them and
00:30:48
Lindsey Scharmyn
so So to bring that back into this waking consciousness is not what we're practiced at.
00:30:48
Christian Yordanov
Oh yeah.
00:30:54
Lindsey Scharmyn
um So we both fight it. We resist it We have all the control around it. we have all this blockage and trauma around it. And then we also like just don't have the practice bringing it back through. But what I tell people, and it's true, is that it doesn't matter if you consciously remember it or not.
00:31:08
Lindsey Scharmyn
it still worked and it still helped and it still released a lot and you still uplifted and and shifted.
00:31:13
Christian Yordanov
oh yeah
00:31:14
Lindsey Scharmyn
And so, you know, and and you do know actually what happened, right? You just can't necessarily verbalize it or remember it in linear images, right?
00:31:21
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yes.
00:31:23
Lindsey Scharmyn
But like you do know somewhere in you, like you said, something changed.
00:31:23
Christian Yordanov
Yes. Yes.
00:31:28
Lindsey Scharmyn
So your body knows, your heart knows, your soul knows, even if your brain can't figure it out.
00:31:28
Christian Yordanov
Yeah,
00:31:33
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:31:33
Christian Yordanov
yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because the especially dudes, we're like the analytical mind. So then the thing and then the stuff and then this happened. and That's very linear.
00:31:42
Lindsey Scharmyn
yeah
00:31:42
Christian Yordanov
and Like you say, it's completely nonlinear. um
00:31:46
Lindsey Scharmyn
Completely non-linear.
00:31:46
Christian Yordanov
But definitely, i It comes back in, even now, it's been a while, but it comes back in waves. And um I feel like my sort of, I don't want to sound like, I'm not that kind of guy, but it feels like my heart center,
00:31:53
Lindsey Scharmyn
and
00:32:00
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:32:02
Christian Yordanov
is more open since then. Because, you know, they always talk, oh, you need to be more heart-centered.
00:32:04
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:32:06
Christian Yordanov
I'm like, what the fuck does that even mean, bro?
00:32:08
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
00:32:08
Christian Yordanov
Like, being more heart-centered.
00:32:09
Lindsey Scharmyn
Right. All right.
00:32:11
Christian Yordanov
they um But, yeah, so... um
00:32:13
Lindsey Scharmyn
That is, yeah. True.
00:32:16
Christian Yordanov
What the heck was I going to say? Yeah, so kind of... We could probably talk about this for hours, of course, but um just kind of switch gears a little bit, talking about trauma, because, yeah, absolutely, these things and help us to...
00:32:22
Lindsey Scharmyn
sure
00:32:31
Christian Yordanov
almost literally shake out the trauma. um Talking about trauma, see how much of your of your experience with complex PTSD are you willing to share with with the listeners and how you healed from that, I think, importantly?
00:32:46
Lindsey Scharmyn
all ah All of it.
00:32:47
Christian Yordanov
Awesome.
00:32:47
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah, i don't I don't hide any of it. but
00:32:50
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. So what what happened in your case?
00:32:53
Lindsey Scharmyn
So i I didn't know for a long time. mean, I did know. It's hard to describe because I never forgot the trauma, the the originating trauma, but I also was so dissociated from it that it just didn't ever... It's the same sort of thing. It didn't come into my conscious mind almost ever. i didn't come up... Here's how deeply I buried it, even though I didn't technically forget.
00:33:16
Lindsey Scharmyn
you know So this is a repressed memory, actually, right? Because I do actually never forgot, but I also never thought about it. And because I've been taught over and over again, no one cares, and it's not important. And also, it's horrifying. So just don't think about it.
00:33:28
Lindsey Scharmyn
um Don't talk about it.
00:33:29
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:33:30
Lindsey Scharmyn
But my therapist, eventually, I did some Jungian psychotherapy, and then I did some EMDR, which is um really good for trauma specifically. And so my EMDR therapist was like, okay, let's, you know, you have complex PTSD. There's clearly a lot of different traumas. So so why don't you list your top 10 and we'll go from there. We'll start with the least and we'll get to your worst eventually. And, and you know, so this is part of her process. So I made this list.
00:33:56
Lindsey Scharmyn
My original trauma was not even on the list. Not even on the list.
00:33:59
Christian Yordanov
Wow. Yeah.
00:33:59
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I had like, you know, I've been um choked by a guy until I passed out. I'd been abducted by a man and barely got away with my life. Different men I, you know, I had been raped.
00:34:10
Lindsey Scharmyn
um So I had all these things on there that were like horrifying. Just one of them is enough, right, to create trauma and and and possibly PTSD, depending
00:34:17
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:34:20
Lindsey Scharmyn
But this wasn't even on the list. So like we went through years of EMDR together and I still had never brought it up. Well, what it was was when I was probably about six years old, I started going to this dentist.
00:34:34
Lindsey Scharmyn
My brother and sister went to this dentist. This is the only dentist in our tiny little rural area that would take people who couldn't afford dentists and let them do payment plans over time.
00:34:44
Christian Yordanov
Jesus
00:34:44
Lindsey Scharmyn
So we had to go to this dentist. But this dentist was the only dentist who did that, and and I've learned since that this dentist very specifically did that in order to get the poorest people in so that he could find his targets and abuse them.
00:34:57
Christian Yordanov
Christ.
00:34:59
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I'm not the only youngest daughter of a single mother who was tortured by this man.
00:35:07
Christian Yordanov
What?
00:35:08
Lindsey Scharmyn
um But I didn't know that. And I didn't even know I was being tortured for a while. I just thought, holy shit, the dentist is a horrible experience that apparently everyone has to go through.
00:35:19
Lindsey Scharmyn
Like, I just thought this was life.
00:35:20
Christian Yordanov
Oh, my god
00:35:22
Lindsey Scharmyn
um And it hurt. It was horrily horribly painful. I look back and I see how it was psychological. I see how he was, you know, getting off on this. At the time, though, I just knew that I was deeply terrified and and so much pain that was unbearable every time I had to go to the dentist, you know?
00:35:39
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I would just shut down and just become like a mute thing and just leave my body again. I didn't know i was doing that, but I would dissociate. And and I also can say that taught me a lot, actually, right? That like sort of forced me into the spiritual world because, you know, leaving your body is...
00:35:57
Lindsey Scharmyn
um
00:35:58
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:35:59
Lindsey Scharmyn
is an interesting tool to have. And this is also, unfortunately, why they use this type of thing when they're trying to create spiritual warriors on the dark side of things.
00:36:11
Lindsey Scharmyn
So i he wasn't doing that. He was just a sadist. But um you know, one day, ah couple years, even though I would say like, man, does this dentist like hurt so bad, right? And they'd be like, yeah, it's bad. I'd be like, man, it's just like horrible, right? And they're like, yeah.
00:36:25
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I was like, I just guess this is normal. But one day, don't know, i was like nine. It'd been a couple of years. By the way, he would give me, um reasons to come back, right? Like he'd like drill holes so that I would get a cavity and an abscess so that I'd have to come back.
00:36:40
Lindsey Scharmyn
Really sick. And ah couple years into this, I, somebody said, my brother, and my sister said like, oh, the worst part is just the needle.
00:36:42
Christian Yordanov
Cheers.
00:36:49
Lindsey Scharmyn
After that, it's easy. and I was like, what needle? he was like, you know, the one that makes you numb. And I was like, what is numb? And he's like, so that you don't feel it. And I was like, I've never not felt it. Like,
00:37:01
Lindsey Scharmyn
What talking? I was so confused. And would have thought by then people would go, oh Lindsay's never been numb, but instead they went, she's crazy. She doesn't know. She's just a kid.
00:37:13
Lindsey Scharmyn
Right. So that didn't even stop it Even though I was like, well, can I have that stuff? Like, can I have the needle please? Like, no, you can't.
00:37:21
Christian Yordanov
Jesus Christ.
00:37:22
Lindsey Scharmyn
So ah until we moved to a different place and got a different dentist and then I realized, oh, you can get numb. And, and again, my dad died right around that time.
00:37:32
Lindsey Scharmyn
We were homeless for a minute. Yeah. So this like wasn't the important thing. So it still didn't get. so I still just sort of like pushed it aside and like moved on with life until um and until way, way, way later.
00:37:44
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I just so happened to talk to some other people from my hometown who were like, no, I i never got Novocaine from him. He liked hurting me. And I was like, oh, my God, validation. You're like the first person in my life who knows that this happened, you know, that like acknowledges that this was real, that I'm not crazy, that I didn't just like fuck.
00:38:02
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:38:03
Lindsey Scharmyn
failed to understand what Novocaine was, you know, like, ah so that was helpful.
00:38:03
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
00:38:06
Christian Yordanov
to
00:38:08
Lindsey Scharmyn
But again, I got all the way to like 30 some years old before um i was doing EMDR and didn't even bring that up. didn't even bring it up. So then i moved here to where I'm at now um about seven years ago.
00:38:22
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I went to a dentist here and I had had enough EMDR. This is what I think happened, right? I'd had enough EMDR and young in psychotherapy that i no longer really got triggered. I no longer would just sort of dissociate and not realize I was doing it. And I can handle, what I stopped having flashbacks, right? Like, and when you have flashbacks, you don't necessarily know why you just know that you react and that nothing is safe and everything's terrifying. And yeah it you know so it's not like I would have flashbacks of the dentist I would just so go into a state of terror and like break down and hide in the corner for an hour crying you know not know why so um I stopped having that you know so I was better and then I went to the dentist for the first time since before I had done EMDR didn't even think about it but I was like nervous and I was like
00:38:49
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Whoa.
00:38:56
Christian Yordanov
whoa
00:39:08
Lindsey Scharmyn
didn't want to go. And I was like, well, that's weird. I've never, you know, cause I learned to dissociate so well that dentists were easy. I just wasn't even there. would just sit down and go and they'd do whatever and I'd leave and it was fine. Right.
00:39:20
Lindsey Scharmyn
Um, but now been yeah.
00:39:20
Christian Yordanov
You go for a spin around a few dimensions higher and come back.
00:39:23
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I didn't even know I was doing that. I was just doing it.
00:39:25
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
00:39:26
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I, I no longer was able to dissociate so much, I guess, is what happened. I'd healed enough that I wasn't doing that automatically and without thought.
00:39:39
Lindsey Scharmyn
And so I sat down in the dentist's chair and he did one little thing that slightly hurt. i mean, it didn't hurt hardly at all. And I just like, panic and I barely contained it and was like, I have to go now. And I left and I had, you know, a flashback and I just broke down and I was like screaming.
00:39:57
Lindsey Scharmyn
I mean, like at the top of my lungs, Johnny was just like, I have no idea what's going on right now. Try to protect this weird thing. um He did a really good job that I didn't
00:40:09
Christian Yordanov
Jesus Christ.
00:40:10
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I was like, wow, I just had a flashback. And then I just remembered like, oh yeah, because I was tortured by a dentist and I did not do EMDR for that because I didn't even tell her that that happened because I just didn't think of it. That's how deeply i had repressed it.
00:40:26
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I finally, actually traveled back to the Pacific Northwest, which is where I'd done the therapy and I and i did more EMDR with her around the dentist and all of this. And so And that's how I got to here, where I can now go to the dentist.
00:40:40
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Mm.
00:40:42
Lindsey Scharmyn
I just actually had this horrifying dental experience, and I got a jaw infection, upper ja upper jaw infection. I had to go get a tooth surgically removed. It was a pretty intensive um session.
00:40:57
Lindsey Scharmyn
And so I went to this biological dentist because I want to do the best for my health that I can, right?
00:40:57
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:41:04
Lindsey Scharmyn
And i walk in, and this is so insane. This is how the universe works. I walk in and the dentist walks in and he looks exactly like the man who tortured me. Like it's uncanny.
00:41:15
Christian Yordanov
Oh. Whoa.
00:41:17
Lindsey Scharmyn
same body shape, same age that my dentist was back then, same hair and hairstyle, almost the same face. And I was just like, what are the chances of this? You know? So I got to have this experience where I was like, this is not him. I'm staying in my body for this. This man is, this man cares about me. This man loves me.
00:41:39
Lindsey Scharmyn
This man is going take care of me. He's not going hurt me. And all the people here love me and they're all going to take care of me. I'm going to be safe. I'm going to be okay. And I got to like, reintegrate that part of myself that had left so long ago, which by the way, on the spiritual level, we call that a soul retrieval, right? I left a piece of myself way back there.
00:41:57
Lindsey Scharmyn
i finally got her back because I was able to have this sort of trigger, right? Here's the same man, basically, here's the same situation almost, but not run from it and stay present for it and invite my little self to sit with me through it in safety and wellness.
00:42:14
Lindsey Scharmyn
And it was it was I actually had some some bufo jitters come through, actually, as I had like higher level sort of assistance through this. um And, and it was interesting to actually I said to him, cause I couldn't actually help, but have like a few tears come out when he first told me I was going to have to have this tooth removed. Cause I was like, this is, this is my trauma, right? And here it is.
00:42:39
Lindsey Scharmyn
yeah I'm going to have to face it. And um that first time I saw him and, And realize who he was and realize what he looked like and realize why the universe was putting me in this position and all of this is coming through. And so a few tears leaked out. And I and i said, i just want you to know I'm not upset at you. I know you're not you're not doing anything wrong. i'm just I'm crying because I just have emotions around this.
00:43:01
Lindsey Scharmyn
And he said, did somebody um hurt you?
00:43:01
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:04
Lindsey Scharmyn
Did you have a bad experience? And I said, deeply. And he said, well, I want, i and I said, but I want you to know like these tears and this, this is not your fault. And he said, and he put his hand on my knee and he said, I want you to know that it's not your fault.
00:43:18
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I was like, blah, like just so overwhelming. Because again, here's this man who looks like the guy, but now he's loving.
00:43:25
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:43:27
Lindsey Scharmyn
He's not hurting me. um so it was really, really profound. that's That's the root trauma that sort of in some ways led to all the other traumas.
00:43:31
Christian Yordanov
well
00:43:35
Lindsey Scharmyn
And that's how I healed it. And that's why I've come full circle around it. And it also connects to a past life, if you want to get into any of that.
00:43:43
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, wow, yeah, please.
00:43:46
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah, so this was also unexpected, unasked for, not sought, and um probably about 10 years ago. And i ah I have spontaneous past life experiences.
00:44:00
Lindsey Scharmyn
memories, sometimes via dream, sometimes via astral travel, sometimes via meditation or otherwise. And so this one, I was deep in meditation. I was in a deep spiritual space, wasn't aiming to connect to a past life, but it just came up. These things just come up when you're ready for them, basically. And not that that's always fun.
00:44:19
Lindsey Scharmyn
And this one was definitely not fun.
00:44:19
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:44:21
Lindsey Scharmyn
And ah I dropped into, you know, a body of a man, you know, middle-aged and in like the middle ages, And, um you know, stone, buildings everywhere, narrow little cobble streets. And and i was excited to be of service to my king, my country, or my whatever.
00:44:40
Lindsey Scharmyn
Politics and religion is what the motivation was and whatever. i don't i didn't bring back so many details except these sort of, you know, feelings and motivations and the experiences themselves. And, you know,
00:44:54
Lindsey Scharmyn
but very, very proud of myself. And I went into ah building and I went down into cellars and there were people who are not having good experiences, who are imprisoned.
00:45:05
Lindsey Scharmyn
And i started torturing one of them just happily. Just like you scum. I was trying to get information out of them, but I was also punishing them for being against God, for being against, you know, King or whatever.
00:45:19
Lindsey Scharmyn
Like, i I don't think it was the Inquisition, but it felt like that.
00:45:20
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:45:24
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I think was similar purposes, at least similar motivations. And yeah, I just didn't have any problem with it at all. It wasn't the same in that I wasn't like sadistically enjoying it necessarily, but I just thought it was right.
00:45:38
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I thought that's what should happen. And I was good at it. And I knew that and people liked that I was good at it. And I got, you know, a nice life because I was serving in this way. and And so it was also providing for my family and my wife and, and, um and that was horrifying to experience that.
00:45:54
Lindsey Scharmyn
when I'm in this type of experience, I'm not Lindsay from 2025. I'm this guy. And so in the experience, I'm just doing that. That's just what I'm experiencing. And what was really weird is that in this memory, I actually had my moment of sort of awakening.
00:46:10
Lindsey Scharmyn
Something happened. um I won't go into details of the torture itself, but one of the moments I was torturing, I like I don't even understand exactly why it was something in the person's eyes making eye contact and I saw them suffering and I just realized for a moment like that's me almost. And I don't think I thought of it that way, but like some sort of empathy happened and I felt it and I just suddenly like the dam broke and I just understood what I was doing to people.
00:46:41
Lindsey Scharmyn
Have you ever seen the family guy where he's like stabs himself and he's like, this what I've been doing to people this whole time?
00:46:46
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:46:47
Lindsey Scharmyn
but but It felt like that.
00:46:48
Christian Yordanov
No, no, no. Yeah. the
00:46:50
Lindsey Scharmyn
I just like realized and was like, oh my God, like, what have I done? I just realized there's something beyond country or there's something beyond religion and it's and it's human. And it just is.
00:47:02
Lindsey Scharmyn
And here I am, like hurting myself, basically. And again, I don't think it was that clearly understood. kind of like thought out in my mind, but it just, it felt like that. And so I left and I knew as I was walking home that I could never go back.
00:47:17
Lindsey Scharmyn
I couldn't do it anymore. And that if I didn't do it, I was going to get tortured perhaps, or at least imprisoned, or it'll ruin my life and everyone will hate me and I won't have a job or whatever, if not tortured or killed.
00:47:30
Lindsey Scharmyn
And also that my wife was going to get, therefore, killed or tortured or lost in the world without a hope and um that i was going to ruin her life and that maybe she even might hate me or look down on me because i become like soft or a traitor or something right so i had just lost everything all of a sudden and i knew it but i didn't know how to move forward and so i got really just like blindly trash drunk and i was just like rolling essentially in like a gutter and i was thinking of killing myself and i i think i was going to drown myself i don't know
00:47:44
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:48:02
Lindsey Scharmyn
I was not super clear on it, but I was like, definitely, I just have to kill myself. But I also knew that was like a sin. And like, I was just so conflicted and tortured and i was dead set on killing myself. And then i kind of came out of that.
00:48:15
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I was like Lindsay again. and I was looking at that version of me from that life. And so while we were separate for this few moments before I was sort of pulled back into my body in this time currently, I was like trying to yell at him.
00:48:29
Lindsey Scharmyn
I was like, don't kill yourself. It's way worse for us. You've already done enough damage kind of like by the torturing itself.
00:48:37
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:48:38
Lindsey Scharmyn
Like just, just live, just do everything to do. I was just trying to like force this understanding into him. And there seemed to be this like glimmer where he like got sobered up. I, he got sobered up a second, seemed to almost see me or feel that or hear that.
00:48:52
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I feel like he didn't kill himself because that specific trauma is not in my field. So if I can go probing for some of these things, you know, and it's not there. So it seemed to work, which is interesting because I keep having these experiences where my own self can side sort of time time travel and change my own
00:49:02
Christian Yordanov
and
00:49:12
Lindsey Scharmyn
soul's timeline or even this current timeline or my experience of a timeline and so that's really interesting that I could be sort of both at once but I came yeah go ahead
00:49:21
Christian Yordanov
Do you think you think that's because all of our... I've heard some guys say all of our like are other lives are happening simultaneously beyond the linear time space?
00:49:32
Lindsey Scharmyn
it in Yeah, in it there's definitely no time and space up at those higher levels. So, you know, even on Bufo, I was actually going around again in this lifetime timeline and in other lifetimes timelines and and changing things, essentially. And so it is all happening and it is...
00:49:51
Lindsey Scharmyn
no time and no space. And then yet it is also linear when we're here experiencing it as such.
00:49:55
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah Jesus Yeah
00:49:57
Lindsey Scharmyn
Right. So, so it is both, but yeah, I do think that's why. And, you know, when I came back to this body, I was, I was just doing a normal meditation. So now all of a sudden I have just experienced what it's like to torture people. And so I was crying and wanting to barf and hating myself, you know, cause it's, it's hard to have an experience like that and just come back to reality.
00:50:20
Lindsey Scharmyn
You know, you,
00:50:21
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:50:21
Lindsey Scharmyn
I've had other recalls of of past lives where I'm murdered and and then you come back and now you're like, you're just supposed to go to work and talk to friends and have a drink. But like, I i was just murdered.
00:50:32
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I feel that, you know, like I experienced that.
00:50:35
Christian Yordanov
Geez.
00:50:35
Lindsey Scharmyn
So it's not the same as like watching it on a screen or imagining it, like being in a body that's experiencing that is like a totally different thing.
00:50:35
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:50:43
Lindsey Scharmyn
So it's traumatizing itself to have these memories come back.
00:50:47
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:50:49
Lindsey Scharmyn
But we kind of have to, it doesn't always have to be that confronting and overwhelming, but we do kind of have to bring these things back. Otherwise, again, there's like some part of us that's stuck way back there in that life with all that darkness, not being able to deal with it, not being able to transform it, not being able to move through it.
00:51:08
Lindsey Scharmyn
And it's like a little crystallized, get stuck in time. And so, you know, that's a people call it like a piece of our soul. And that's why we do these soul retrievals. And we just try to bring this back in and integrate it into the being we are. But i wasn't quite at that point. But what i realized pretty quickly after that experience, it just kind of clicked, you know, and this is how I started to understand karma.
00:51:30
Lindsey Scharmyn
Again, you can teach me about karma all you want. I can say, sure, that sounds like it's right. But here I'm like living it and knowing it. And there I had been torturing people. And then in this current life, I was tortured.
00:51:41
Lindsey Scharmyn
So it sounds really horrible to people. They're like, yeah, but you were a kid. You didn't deserve it. And I'm like, it's not really about deserving. It's about i created that.
00:51:51
Lindsey Scharmyn
I tortured. i created torture. and And on the grandest scale, just like in that experience where I kind of saw that in his eyes, I so sort of saw that reflection of empathy. i do it to myself. I did it to myself, right? I did torture myself over and over and over again. So I do have to experience that.
00:52:10
Lindsey Scharmyn
the torture unless I never chose it, but I did. So it's not about deserving. It's about like whatever you create, there it is. Now it's yours. Okay.
00:52:20
Christian Yordanov
like the do unto others as you would have them done unto yourself type thing, right?
00:52:26
Lindsey Scharmyn
As quickly as possible, but as often as possible. Yes.
00:52:30
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:52:32
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah. I mean, there's some cases where you can release karma without sort of experiencing it.
00:52:33
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:52:37
Lindsey Scharmyn
And, uh, That's great. There can be grace. You know, there can be forgiveness. There can be a lot of things that release karma. And that's part of what this transformative sort of healing is as well.
00:52:50
Lindsey Scharmyn
Bufo, you can release a lot of karma as well, but you, it's hard to describe. You can't really do it until you've really understood and, and, and you know. I would never torture anything or anyone for any reason.
00:53:05
Lindsey Scharmyn
You could be torturing me to try to get me to torture someone and I still wouldn't because I know now. like What is at stake? And it's not worth it.
00:53:13
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:53:14
Lindsey Scharmyn
That's
00:53:16
Christian Yordanov
Wow. Okay.
00:53:18
Lindsey Scharmyn
too much.
00:53:19
Christian Yordanov
um
00:53:23
Christian Yordanov
so oh whoo okay that no seriously uh thank you so much for for sharing that that was very very powerful um yes so we'll probably get if we have time today we'll get back to the topic of soul retrieval but tell me so
00:53:25
Lindsey Scharmyn
that's like too much
00:53:47
Christian Yordanov
Just going back a little bit to the Bufo discussion for for a second. So if we are the core, you know, unconditional love, all that good stuff, why do you have to deal with clients who are coming to you with things like demonic attachment and, you know,
00:54:12
Christian Yordanov
um i thought well What was the other thing? So um obviously trauma, we understand. But sorry, you were talking about so poltergeist, demonic encounters, poltergeist encounters. Like what why why is this stuff happening to people out there?
00:54:31
Lindsey Scharmyn
There's 100% of the time a cause and 100% of the time the person chose it in some way, which again sounds really harsh and some people don't believe that that's true and they refuse it. In my experience, it's true.
00:54:44
Lindsey Scharmyn
and And the choosing of that could have happened many lifetimes ago. It could have happened ancestrally even, where you were offered to. the dark or a demon or some sort of negative encounter or being, I should say.
00:54:57
Lindsey Scharmyn
um or you chose it in various ways where you weren't necessarily thinking you were choosing, I want a demonic attachment now. But like you like giving yourself essentially to to the dark. You were abandoning yourself.
00:55:09
Lindsey Scharmyn
A lot of times we do this on accident if we are super, super high in a very dark place, right? So a lot of us partiers have had a lot of attachments that sort of slithered in while we were um not with ourselves.
00:55:23
Lindsey Scharmyn
Right. So ah that can sort of happen. And even then there's some sort of an agreement. And it's rough because we're in a world right now where it's pretty dark. We're the Kali Yuga, I'd say.
00:55:33
Lindsey Scharmyn
And ah some people think we just left that. That'd be great. I'll take it. But ah if we're in the Kali Yuga, we have been in the Kali Yuga.
00:55:38
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:55:41
Lindsey Scharmyn
is... the easiest time ever to experience disconnection. It's the easiest time ever to believe you're not worthy. It's the easiest time ever to have all of those messages are reinforced from every angle.
00:55:52
Lindsey Scharmyn
Like, year you're a worthless, scubby piece of garbage who's killing the planet by existing, right? And like, you don't deserve anything good. And even if you did, look at all these other people who don't have enough.
00:56:04
Lindsey Scharmyn
Why are you so greedy? Like, there's just all this negative information around us.
00:56:08
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:56:09
Lindsey Scharmyn
So to hold on to the light amidst this dark and to choose to say, no, I'm actually worthy and I would never let you siphon off my energy. Like, how dare you, actually? I'm a sovereign being is ah somewhat rare.
00:56:25
Lindsey Scharmyn
It's much, much more common to be like, oh, not me. You go ahead. Like, I'll just suffer over here. And like, it's okay. Or, oh, it's not as bad as that person. Or I don't deserve this. Or I'm not worthy. Or you know, when we reinforce it to each other, like we have kids and then don't care about them and we shove them off in front of a screen and like go party.
00:56:43
Lindsey Scharmyn
And like, you know, we just, um we're doing it to each other.
00:56:44
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:56:46
Lindsey Scharmyn
We're creating it and reinforcing it. And so it's the easiest time for dark energies and entities to sort of like slide in and attach things And I'll say too, sometimes it's even more nefarious than that. It's sort of subconsciously ah layered in through all of the media that we consume mindlessly, um which again, is a choice we make.
00:57:09
Lindsey Scharmyn
if we're going to I'm not against watching things or whatever, but like be present while you do it, right? And be intentional about what you consume and how you consume it. And ah because a lot of this stuff is layered in.
00:57:21
Lindsey Scharmyn
Like that too. But yeah, it's a pretty dark time. It's pretty easy for those things to occur.
00:57:26
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:57:27
Lindsey Scharmyn
um
00:57:27
Christian Yordanov
So i'm just curious, like, yeah.
00:57:27
Lindsey Scharmyn
And we get to choose. I'll just add one more thing. We get to choose, right? so whatever Whatever you want to conceive of as God or source. Someone said this the other day, like, well, God lets whatever suffering happen. And I'm like, oh, God doesn't care.
00:57:40
Lindsey Scharmyn
but Like God loves you eternally, but God is letting you choose anything. And he, he, it, she, whatever you conceive of it is not concerned with what you choose. Right. Not at all. That's why you have free will.
00:57:52
Lindsey Scharmyn
So like, if you choose to have a demonic attachment, God is like, yep, you do. Just like in Bufo, when I said, I am loved, it said, yes, you're a loved. If I would have said I'm demonic, it would have said, yes, you're demonic. Right.
00:58:02
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:58:02
Lindsey Scharmyn
It's just shining back at you, whatever you choose, whatever you say, whatever you are.
00:58:04
Christian Yordanov
yeah so do you think if someone believes that they are protected all is well that's what that's enough to protect themselves yeah
00:58:21
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yes. I would say, though, I don't think many people believe that.
00:58:28
Lindsey Scharmyn
I think believing that and knowing that, I think knowing it is the best way to go. And I think this is why we have that
00:58:33
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:58:38
Lindsey Scharmyn
who are spiritual beings who are ascended masters, who are here to assist is because sometimes we fail to be able to hold onto that, even if we think we know it or trust it um And that's why we can call on those beings. So I just tell people call on,
00:58:52
Lindsey Scharmyn
any being you think truly exists. You have any sort of belief in this good, true, and beautiful being. So Jesus, if it's Ganesh, if it's like, you know, Padmasam Baba, whatever, just call on them because that's what their whole game is, is just being there when they're called upon and being there for you to serve the light and to keep you connected to it. And they love it.
00:59:13
Lindsey Scharmyn
They love doing that. So ah if you can't hold that belief in yourself that you really are just protected and um free, then let them help you.
00:59:24
Christian Yordanov
Gotcha. And, um, damn. That you, you, I lost my train of thought.
00:59:31
Lindsey Scharmyn
Well,
00:59:32
Christian Yordanov
What I was going to ask you next because that was so beautifully said. um Shit. Okay. Um.
00:59:41
Lindsey Scharmyn
I'll say this too while you remember.
00:59:44
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:59:45
Lindsey Scharmyn
um You know, the... Even... Even as negative karma comes back to us or negative messages we've held on to manifest for us, right? Even as our creation sort of like brings it and we're suffering under it.
01:00:02
Lindsey Scharmyn
there is also always something that is ah using that for good. So my first demonic attack was also the first time I understood, again, I knew for sure that I was ultimately protected and that no matter how dark, any darkness or how evil, I mean, it even even's pretty scary.
01:00:23
Lindsey Scharmyn
So like, no matter how terrifying, I was still protected, no matter how intelligent or, you know, powerful or, whatever lies might come from it, still protected. So beyond faith, I know that I'm protected. So that was actually crucial for me to be able to do the work that I do.
01:00:44
Lindsey Scharmyn
i couldn't do it if I didn't know for sure, right? If I was just like, yeah, I think so.
01:00:48
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah
01:00:48
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I believe that that's different than knowing. So even as I am experiencing the karma and experiencing the negativity, it's being used for light. It's being turned into ah serving my highest good, right?
01:00:58
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah so you were talking earlier about ah guides so do we all have guides so we just not tapped into them i know you sometimes sometimes well some people talk about you have like a spirit animal or whatever it is like Can you give us a little bit of a lay of the land in terms of that kind of stuff?
01:01:21
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah, 100% of people have guides and allies, I call them. And ah they are of all sorts. There are spirit spirit animals, there are spirit plants, there's spirit mountains, but there's um the ascended masters. Again, there are humans who have or achieved enlightenment, if you want to call it that. And they're still around because they want to help others do the same. And so they're in that sort of layer, just just a little bit above us. And they're not in bodies anymore, but they're very, very human otherwise. And, you know, and then there's also angels, not human at all, never were. And they're good and bad.
01:01:57
Lindsey Scharmyn
there's There's the ones that are bad we call demons and the good ones we call angels. But there's those type of beings that were never incarnated. And ah some of them are very jealous of that. And, ah you know, there's so you could go on and on. There's saints, there's Buddhas, there's there's a million types of spiritual beings and intelligences, and um all of them can be good, bad, neutral.
01:02:22
Lindsey Scharmyn
Right. So.
01:02:23
Christian Yordanov
and so what what um planes of existence do they sort of reside in or can they shift in between depending on what what they are.
01:02:35
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah, they're definitely, you know, fifth dimensional and above generally. um you can have some fourth dimensional that are good and helpful. It's just sort of like, it's, you're almost on your same level.
01:02:47
Lindsey Scharmyn
So it'd be like just asking a friend to help you move or whatever. It's like, yeah, that's cool.
01:02:50
Christian Yordanov
Yeah,
01:02:51
Lindsey Scharmyn
You know, but you want the heavy, the heavy hitters are a little bit higher up.
01:02:55
Christian Yordanov
yeah.
01:02:55
Lindsey Scharmyn
um
01:02:55
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:02:56
Lindsey Scharmyn
So, you know, there's all of that, all, all of the dimensions are permeated with life and consciousness.
01:02:56
Christian Yordanov
Yes.
01:03:02
Lindsey Scharmyn
um You get past fifth dimension, there's, there's no more negative, what we would perceive to be negative um in my, humble opinion and experience.
01:03:13
Christian Yordanov
and so when when you when someone's astrally projecting what dimension is that that
01:03:22
Lindsey Scharmyn
It can be, it just depends.
01:03:22
Christian Yordanov
that ah
01:03:25
Lindsey Scharmyn
So, you know, we are able to be on any of those dimensions too. Our consciousness is infant, we spend most of our time here in the third and fourth-ish if we're out of body or we're just in a higher state while embodied. you know um We can be up in those sorts of realms.
01:03:44
Lindsey Scharmyn
If we're fully out and and fully gone um into the higher realms, we're probably in the fifth. And ah that's probably more rare. There's probably a lot, I would say most people who are astral traveling are just here in the fourth dimension right next to us. They're not going anywhere really.
01:04:00
Lindsey Scharmyn
Um, pretty normal because you're like most people want to do what they know right they want to go to anarchic car the pyramids are like just be on earth and be in this sort of human realm um you know but a lot of these beings travel in uh merkaba if you've heard of the merkaba um
01:04:08
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:04:20
Christian Yordanov
I've heard of it. I'm not sure understand what exactly it is.
01:04:23
Lindsey Scharmyn
so it's your it's your light body and and the merkaba sort of the encapsulation of that. So I will see these as orbs of light. um You technically, if you're looking closer, can see like a tiny being inside the ball or even a face.
01:04:38
Christian Yordanov
Uh-huh.
01:04:40
Lindsey Scharmyn
um Often is what people see inside of the ball of light. It's often um drawn, if you were going to draw it, as the Star of David with like a glow around it and the person's in that center sort of chamber.
01:04:48
Christian Yordanov
hu
01:04:52
Lindsey Scharmyn
um And so a lot of the Ascended Masters will ah appear that way. um But I'll say these beings can appear however they want to. They can also just appear as like a tree.
01:05:02
Lindsey Scharmyn
if I don't know why they would want to, but they could. all right They could appear as a plane. They could appear as a cloud. um And so it's not that they are actually a tree or a plane or a cloud. It is that they're able to project to you, this is what I look like. Here's what I'm doing.
01:05:18
Lindsey Scharmyn
um And the bad ones can do that too. So that could be confusing.
01:05:22
Christian Yordanov
So the bodhisattva was they're kind of hanging around, yeah? Is that?
01:05:28
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
01:05:29
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:05:30
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah, they are. And they have, you know, different groupings and goals and um commitments, ideals. But again, in general, you could say sort of good, bad, neutral.
01:05:40
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:05:43
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. And the stuff is so fascinating.
01:05:45
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah. It is. And i I borrow the language from the sort of like New Age and in Eastern traditions because it's the most appropriate.
01:05:56
Lindsey Scharmyn
But the again, these are all things I learned by experiencing them first and then learned the names of. It's like, oh, that's what that's called.
01:06:03
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
01:06:04
Lindsey Scharmyn
like Okay, I've seen that.
01:06:05
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:06:06
Lindsey Scharmyn
I've been there. um so So yeah, it's pretty wild. And these Miracle Balls, these Balls of Light, if if if you're If you have a true channeler.
01:06:17
Lindsey Scharmyn
So I channel. I don't do embodied channeling. I don't invite other beings into my body. Maybe someday I'll get there. But again, I've got trust issues. So I'm not. I don't go there.
01:06:29
Lindsey Scharmyn
i just open my spiritual you know eyes and ears and I receive information. um So that's the type of channeling that I do. But I have seen. And if you are able to ever ah um be fortunate enough to be with someone who is doing this.
01:06:44
Lindsey Scharmyn
I've seen the Merkabah of an Ascended Master come in in a light bulb and enter someone's head and then talk through their body.
01:06:52
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:06:52
Lindsey Scharmyn
So this is like a a choice you can make, just like you can invite in a demon, right? You can invite.
01:06:59
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:06:59
Lindsey Scharmyn
It's just a little different than demons generally wanting to control you. And this being is more grateful that you will allow them to share a message with the world or with somebody.
01:07:10
Lindsey Scharmyn
And they don't do that very often because... i you know Not everyone's going accept that or receive it. So it's pretty rare, but it happens. ah
01:07:20
Christian Yordanov
so
01:07:21
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
01:07:21
Christian Yordanov
So when someone comes to you and let's say stuff is happening in their life, to cancer you know whatever the case may be, they can't seem to get their life on track.
01:07:33
Christian Yordanov
What's your sort of process for discerning what area, because there's so many areas here probably interlinked, they need support in?
01:07:44
Lindsey Scharmyn
It's different for everyone. And this is why i don't actually have a sort of list of services. I do, but it's not what I think other spiritual practitioners do.
01:07:52
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
01:07:53
Lindsey Scharmyn
I'm not like, here's a soul retrieval and here's an exorcism and here's a past life thing, right? I do actually offer past life readings now.
01:07:58
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:08:00
Lindsey Scharmyn
But again, that was my guides were like, you have to do this. And I was like, that doesn't even seem like real, real, like what the tarot reading isn't for past lives. And they're like, it is for you. So I do do that.
01:08:11
Lindsey Scharmyn
But otherwise I do sound healing or I do spiritual ah spirit guide sessions.
01:08:12
Christian Yordanov
well
01:08:16
Lindsey Scharmyn
And both of those are ah mix of channeling information and healing energies for the person. And so I can't tell them ahead of time what is going to happen. Right. So I've ah long since understood like I'm not my brain isn't good at knowing what somebody needs, but my spiritual guides and their spiritual guides are excellent at it.
01:08:37
Lindsey Scharmyn
So if we just open up the space and let whatever come through, now we know exactly what you needed. And it's always perfect. We don't have to have decided.
01:08:46
Christian Yordanov
Of course, yeah.
01:08:46
Lindsey Scharmyn
Right. It's a little bit easier even maybe. Yeah.
01:08:48
Christian Yordanov
Of course, yeah.
01:08:49
Lindsey Scharmyn
So so some people come through.
01:08:50
Christian Yordanov
And you do you do all of your work online. Sorry, that's a bit of a delay.
01:08:53
Lindsey Scharmyn
I do. Yeah.
01:08:54
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:08:55
Lindsey Scharmyn
No, it's, yeah, it's all on Zoom, um which again, i actually started to offer these things publicly during the pandemic.
01:08:56
Christian Yordanov
Okay.
01:09:04
Lindsey Scharmyn
So like, it was like, ah kind of forced. I, and I never would have thought that you even could. But again, my guidance was like, oh yeah, again, there's no time or space on the spiritual level.
01:09:16
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, exactly.
01:09:17
Lindsey Scharmyn
So They don't care, you know, how just have it happen, like just do it.
01:09:19
Christian Yordanov
Yes, yes, exactly.
01:09:22
Lindsey Scharmyn
And so um so it's been actually super effective. And I do in-person work, but much more rarely. i do a sort of more intensive ceremony, more like what you did with Bufo.
01:09:34
Lindsey Scharmyn
um But that's just rare. and Not everybody needs that. Not everybody's ready for it. Not everybody wants it. And so um that's a thing I do offer, but it's it is it is more rare that I do that. So more often I am opening space with this person and we're connecting with their spiritual allies for a good, true, and beautiful.
01:09:47
Christian Yordanov
Thank you.
01:09:50
Lindsey Scharmyn
I've always set up protection first, you know, foremost. And then um we move into channeling through what comes through. I see things, I hear things. I just am communicating essentially what they are doing.
01:10:01
Lindsey Scharmyn
what the spiritual guides are doing. I'm just like sharing that. And then every once in a while, I'm called to use my ah soul song. It's usually different for each task and person. I don't know if it's ever been the same song twice. I'm not really that aware of exactly what it even sounds like because I'm usually really deep in while it's coming through, but that carries healing.
01:10:23
Lindsey Scharmyn
I have sound healing tools that carry ah the healing and all of these things are just ways to bring the channel through more.
01:10:29
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:10:30
Lindsey Scharmyn
It's not that it's not the tool itself, right?
01:10:34
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:10:34
Lindsey Scharmyn
It's not the not the sound tool. It's not the tarot card. It's actually just a way to get the information through. Again, we're training our minds to talk with our super conscious and our subconscious and be in alignment. And so the tools are just sort of assisting with that.
01:10:48
Lindsey Scharmyn
But yeah, I just let them decide what's going to happen. And some people have physical healing that um is like miraculous, in my opinion. and Some people have these big spiritual ah blockages removed, karma removed, emotional releases, some of that like um energy we were talking about moving through the nervous system where there's some tremor stuff. It's all different.
01:11:09
Lindsey Scharmyn
different for everyone and the outcome is different every time. um But I also do work with people coaching them how to incorporate various things in their life to keep a sort of spiritual health and um etiquette and, you know, just structure. Because again, we've spent our lives being sort of absent from the emotional and the spiritual and it's very helpful, especially if someone's experiencing negative entities or um that sort of level of oppression. It's very, very helpful to be choosing very specifically what to do with our days and our time.
01:11:43
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Wow. So how do you how do you operate in this world without this stuff sort of interfering with just with your regular everyday life?
01:11:59
Lindsey Scharmyn
It was a a long, long time ago that I had to figure that out. So I don't even know I can think about how. i mean, I'll say i used to talk about it a lot more, right? Because I just, I was happening to me and i was experiencing it And so I was trying to share it with people or ask them what they think it is or what's happening or am I insane right am I for a while was like I'm just crazy I'm a crazy person I'm not well and I was just like I'm schizophrenic or something and um you know and and then I realized it was actually um through one of my shamanic teachers I think it was my second second shamanic teacher I didn't choose uh she was like Lindsay stop telling people things and I was like what do you mean she was like
01:12:20
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:12:43
Lindsey Scharmyn
you're It's not good for you They don't have the answers you're looking for. And it's too much for them. Like you're like, hey, this interdimensional being in this crazy experience and this did and then that just freaks them out because they're like, what is life?
01:12:58
Lindsey Scharmyn
what am I and what are you? if If they're like hearing about these experiences I've had and they're not quite ready for it.
01:13:00
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:13:03
Lindsey Scharmyn
And so I realized I was like doing damage, trying to be what I thought was just being true to myself. You know, it was just being honest and being true. I realized I was doing damage to people. And so I had to sort of craft um a way to never lie.
01:13:19
Lindsey Scharmyn
no I'm not going to lie, right? But only really respond to people if they ask and have a better sense of how much they can take at a time, right?
01:13:28
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:13:29
Lindsey Scharmyn
um And so, you know, I also always had the goal to be of service and to help. um And that's why I became a teacher And so I taught for many years and I knew I was doing spiritual work in the classroom, but no one else would have ever been able to know that. like I know I've created this environment to be protected. I know that I've brought in all of these good Shroom View elements to sort of um you know create a higher vibration in here. I understood what was happening when kids would have breakthroughs emotionally and and stuff, but like that wasn't like I was telling people that I was doing that.
01:14:03
Lindsey Scharmyn
And I loved one of my favorite things was kids would come in, come to my room and they'd be like, Miss Brown, this is my last name, right?
01:14:03
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:14:12
Lindsey Scharmyn
Lindsay Sharman Brown. Miss Brown, I don't know what it is, but I just want to be in your room sometimes. Like, I just come in here and I just feel good. And I'm just like, yeah, I know what you're talking about. So yeah.
01:14:24
Christian Yordanov
That's awesome.
01:14:24
Lindsey Scharmyn
so um you know I was very professional a very good classroom and lots of good things happening and I also had that sort of spiritual intention so I've just found ways to sort of merge it in where it belongs keep it out from where it doesn't and then now I get to offer it more directly and openly it's what I do and it's what my business is and so I'm very grateful that it's moved into that space I don't really have to hide it anymore but and yeah yeah
01:14:50
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah, you can embrace it.
01:14:53
Lindsey Scharmyn
yeah
01:14:53
Christian Yordanov
um Just, to of course, we're going to have you on the show to dive a lot deeper into some of these topics, but I heard about the land healing stuff before. Can you quickly tease us a little bit about so the land healing? I know you do something with Organite. Can you just, for for anyone interested in this, can you give us a preview?
01:15:15
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah, I don't really do ah land healing on purpose. I do land healing on accident, I'll say, or when I'm guided, I should say, um and by being placed in certain places.
01:15:26
Lindsey Scharmyn
and just doing sort of blessing work and channeling work with the earth. um So that's a little bit different.
01:15:31
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:15:32
Lindsey Scharmyn
Most people are creating orgone, I would say, in order to place it near 5G towers and do some ah shifting of the energy fields there. And that's what they're using orgone for.
01:15:43
Lindsey Scharmyn
But orgone is actually just another word for the life force energy. It's just a modern word for it. You could also say chi or prana.
01:15:50
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:15:50
Lindsey Scharmyn
ah And you'd be talking about the exact same thing. And so um creating organite is just a method of putting a lot of life force energy and things that attract and continuously produce more life force energy into ah package.
01:16:06
Lindsey Scharmyn
Um, so i create Lotus motives and I create towers and I create pendants that people can wear or they can have on their desk or they can put it near a 5G or a router or something and and have it, uh, be assisting with that.
01:16:07
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
01:16:20
Lindsey Scharmyn
um but I don't primarily look at it as a, you know, methodology of, of protecting yourself from EMF. I think you should paint your walls with, uh, EMF protective stuff and, you know, wear Spiro clothing and,
01:16:34
Lindsey Scharmyn
um do other sorts of mitigating things to to do that sort of work. What I use it for is for spiritual purposes. And just like any crystal um or any sort of spiritual tool, you get to program it essentially for what you want.
01:16:48
Lindsey Scharmyn
So what I instruct people to do is when they receive their orgone from me is to sit with it and tell it what you want it to do.
01:16:49
Christian Yordanov
you
01:16:55
Lindsey Scharmyn
It's essentially just bringing in more life force. then You're already an orgone accumulator. You are already a life force channel. And so this is just assisting you in having more at your disposal and and doing sort of something that you didn't then don't have to do yourself anymore.
01:17:13
Lindsey Scharmyn
So most of my orgone, I have it buried in my land around, so it's holding the energy field on my actual property. And then I have some in the house that has various jobs of, you know, protection or bringing in high vibes or clearing negativity or abundance, right? Wealth and different things. So you get to you get to tell it what you want.
01:17:35
Lindsey Scharmyn
And it always has its own flavor. Different crystals, different flowers, different things, um different materials have their own things that they're just good at. But you also get to ask it to do something. Again, just like people, people have their own things they're good at. But you could also say, hey, will you write me this essay? And they can. So, right.
01:17:55
Lindsey Scharmyn
So you just get to do that.
01:17:55
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:17:56
Lindsey Scharmyn
So you can program it and you can always change it. You're like, OK, now I'm good on that. Now I will not switch. I'm going to release that old message. I'm just going to bring in and ask you now to do this with me or for me.
01:18:06
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. And just curious, if you have, let's say you have a crystal, how do you program a crystal? Is it the same way as an organizer?
01:18:17
Christian Yordanov
And what is if so, what is that way?
01:18:18
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yes. Yeah. So again, I don't know what other people do, but what I do is I just tell it. I just will pick up a crystal and be like, okay, whatever you were doing before, let's release that. and Now let's do this.
01:18:31
Lindsey Scharmyn
I'm like, I'll do it in my head and my heart, but you can say it out loud if you feel like you are safe to do that. And no one's going to be like, whoa, what is he doing talking to a crystal over there? Right?
01:18:41
Lindsey Scharmyn
um You can say it out loud. I think speaking things aloud is more powerful, so it's not a bad idea. um But you can just sit and hold it and just imagine talking to it in that way. um You might even be surprised you might receive something back.
01:18:55
Christian Yordanov
and what kind of stuff can you program it with like what like can you give us examples something good beneficial
01:19:01
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah. Yeah. So like right now, again, one of all of mine and my property are programmed to be protective. So negative things can't come to this property. That includes people, spiritual energies, ah remote viewers, right?
01:19:13
Christian Yordanov
Cool.
01:19:15
Lindsey Scharmyn
Like they're barred. This is a protective field now. And this is the job of that organ is if it senses that coming to like, you're not welcome here. Get out.
01:19:22
Christian Yordanov
cool
01:19:22
Lindsey Scharmyn
Right. um Or I have orgone too sometimes, especially if I'm going through a healing crisis, it might be like, okay, you're helping me release, you know, this specific type of trauma. You're bringing in the messages that can counteract that. You're bringing in the guides who are maybe are best for that.
01:19:37
Lindsey Scharmyn
um And the energy that aligns with that, helping release that or bringing in what will replace it. so So it can be both or any of the above, right? You get to pick.
01:19:47
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:19:47
Lindsey Scharmyn
You'd be like, hey, I have a liver infection. Heal my liver. could be be the thing that's helping me heal my liver right so yeah it's that easy people yeah ti well people think you have to like and you can go through all these like traditional magic steps and like learn how to invoke beings I'm like I don't even need to like bother with that right like this is ah that's too much um let's just you know talk let's just let's just be here together
01:19:52
Christian Yordanov
Really? What? to Damn, I could... Yeah, sorry, go ahead.
01:20:13
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:20:16
Christian Yordanov
I feel like one answer you give me leads to like many other questions. Just, just, yeah, I, I don't, what, so what, why, and we have to wrap up, I know, uh, Lindsay, but as like a last question, why our crystals, why do they have power?
01:20:21
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah. Yeah.
01:20:36
Christian Yordanov
So some, I remember one friend of mine, I was showing him all my crystals and stuff. He's like, dude, they're just like rocks. Like why, why are you wasting your money on rocks?
01:20:43
Lindsey Scharmyn
yeah
01:20:44
Christian Yordanov
You know, but why are, Why are they powerful? Why why do they have power?
01:20:50
Lindsey Scharmyn
Well, they're like the most condensed and essential form of that thing. Right. So like a diamond is the most essential and compressed carbon you can get.
01:21:02
Lindsey Scharmyn
so out of all the material world, it is like the most pure, the most organized. If you look at the structure of it, it's the most organized. um And just like if you were meditating and your goal is to clear your mind and just be the channel, like that's hard to do. It's hard to purify. It's hard to be just one thing.
01:21:20
Lindsey Scharmyn
It's hard to be very organized and intentional about it. And they are all these things. Right. For the Earth, they are like the condensed information on, and you might even say like soul presence in a physical form over how many centuries. Physically, we see it that way too. Over how many centuries did it take to create this thing, right? And so it is all of this really highly structured information, but it's also electromagnetically different from other things, right? It is...
01:21:51
Lindsey Scharmyn
If you, you, I didn't know this for so long. i was like, why didn't they have us do this when we were kids? and What are they, what are they hiding? Right. But there's like, if you pick up two crystals of the same type and you push them together, you can find the areas just like a magnet where they repel and the areas where they attract, like they have electromagnetic properties.
01:22:09
Lindsey Scharmyn
Um,
01:22:09
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
01:22:10
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah, which, like, technically everything does, but theirs are highly organized enough to emit a force or bring in energy, right? So theyre they're pretty profound little structures on Earth, and they have their own just materially, just materially, scientifically.
01:22:27
Lindsey Scharmyn
Like, they have crazy properties. every computer
01:22:29
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:22:30
Lindsey Scharmyn
Every computer and every phone has quartz in it wouldn't work without it. It's crystal. Like, they're using the Earth's technology to do this stuff. It's not...
01:22:37
Christian Yordanov
yeah.
01:22:37
Lindsey Scharmyn
You know, it is magic, but it is not magic. It's just science, actually. And, um you know, this is one of the things I come to again and again like science has it right.
01:22:42
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
01:22:47
Lindsey Scharmyn
Spirituality has it right. But really, it's like they're both saying the same thing. If we can get rid of all the dogma ah in both areas, then we're doing the best we can.
01:22:55
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah yeah amazing i yeah I have ah this really nice quartz crystal so the last two nights I just for whatever reason I take it and just as I'm in bed before I start dozing off just put it on my on my forehead and yeah, it's, but like I did, I, we, we have some books on the stuff, but this was like five years ago.
01:23:16
Lindsey Scharmyn
Third eye.
01:23:23
Christian Yordanov
We were into that with my wife, but I didn't think to program it with something. So it's also working while it's it kind of in my, in my area, you know, in my aura type thing.
01:23:28
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah.
01:23:35
Christian Yordanov
But um yeah, Lindsay, you are such an interesting person to talk to.
01:23:35
Lindsey Scharmyn
Right.
01:23:41
Christian Yordanov
We could go on for hours. I i genuinely believe that.
01:23:44
Lindsey Scharmyn
I agree.
01:23:45
Christian Yordanov
Thank you so much.
01:23:46
Lindsey Scharmyn
I feel the same about you. Thank you, Christian.
01:23:49
Christian Yordanov
ah Just as we wrap up, tell the listeners ah all the places they can connect with you, find you, and if they need your help, how to reach out.
01:23:58
Lindsey Scharmyn
Yeah, so you can go to rogueways.org. It's as in pathways, not ocean waves. And so rogueways.org is the place to go. i have my books are all there. If you're into fiction, the fictional trilogy is amazing.
01:24:11
Lindsey Scharmyn
ah That is also the first time I understood myself to be channeling, receiving information. This whole book, therefore, in my opinion, is not actually fiction. But It is categorized as such.
01:24:23
Lindsey Scharmyn
um And it has to do with humans going through the cycles of time, the Kali Yuga golden age, you know.
01:24:24
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:24:29
Lindsey Scharmyn
um So it's pretty interesting. And ah some of my more directly spiritual channeling is there too. ah The spiritual ancestors sharing their messages for people. in the key of transformational healing and otherwise.
01:24:40
Lindsey Scharmyn
So those books are all there. You can schedule with me. i do again, the past life tarot. I do regular life path tarot still as well. I do the sound healing. I do spirit guide sessions. We do spiritual healing ah and transformation via those.
01:24:54
Lindsey Scharmyn
And also just do coaching and talk. So if you just have questions or you know, have an experience you want to get a better grasp of, or you want to get some new practices or understand how to do certain things, that's, that's what that's there for.
01:25:05
Lindsey Scharmyn
that's all on the site as well as my show and everything else I do. ah So rogueways.org is place to go.
01:25:12
Christian Yordanov
Awesome. Thank you. We're going to have the links down below, guys. So if you want to check Lindsay's work, connect with her. And once again, Lindsay, thank you so much for coming on. This will be one of many, I'm sure, in the future.
01:25:24
Lindsey Scharmyn
Awesome. I'd love to come back. Thank you.
01:25:26
Christian Yordanov
Thank you.