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The Secret to a Limber, Pain-Free Body | Antony Sammeroff
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In this episode, we're joined by Antony Sammeroff—author, podcaster, psychotherapist, and expert in bodywork. Antony is the author of Big Pharma: Guess It Quacks Like a Duck and the host of the Be Yourself and Love It podcast. While he has a background in counseling, his current focus is on bodywork, helping people release deep-seated tension to improve overall well-being.
Join us as we explore how tension in the hands and feet can be the root cause of structural pain and dysfunction. Antony shares practical techniques for self-release, explaining why traditional treatments like chiropractic adjustments and massage therapy may not always provide lasting relief. Tune in to learn how addressing these overlooked areas can transform the way you feel—enhancing mobility, reducing pain, and improving overall physical health.
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Transcript
Intro
Planning a Visit to Portugal
00:04:43
Christian Yordanov
So when you're coming back to Europe.
00:04:47
Antony Sammeroff
I've not got specific dates yet, but it shouldn't be too long from now.
00:04:52
Christian Yordanov
Nice. You're gonna visit me in Portugal, right?
00:04:56
Antony Sammeroff
I would really like to do that. and I've thought of going to Portugal.
Past Experiences in Portugal
00:05:00
Antony Sammeroff
Well, I've been to Portugal twice, actually. m for one of those juice cleanse retreats that seem to be, there seems to be a few venues for that over there.
00:05:09
Christian Yordanov
Nice.
00:05:11
Antony Sammeroff
And I got to check out, yeah, got to check
00:05:12
Christian Yordanov
toothles
Juice Cleanses and Eczema Relief
00:05:14
Antony Sammeroff
out Lisbon.
00:05:14
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. When was
00:05:16
Antony Sammeroff
It was good because back then I had eczema and I got to see that if you do a juice cleanse, you so the first time my symptoms went away completely, the second time they were just a lot, but it didn't clear me up.
00:05:29
Antony Sammeroff
So I got to see that these things are possible early on.
00:05:32
Christian Yordanov
yeah when was that
00:05:35
Antony Sammeroff
um like five years ago, six years ago,
Autoimmune Challenges and Diet
00:05:38
Christian Yordanov
So what was your what was your journey like with, i know you were telling me you were kind of having all these autoimmune type issues, eczema, what was that like? When did that start?
00:05:38
Antony Sammeroff
maybe more.
00:05:49
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, so I had a lot of that when I was at school. And, you know, they gave me the creams. They didn't even know back then. ah Do doctors know today? I don't know because say I can't remember the last time I went to a mainstream doctor for an indication that diet had anything to do with conditions like eczema no one would say oh you better go on an a elimination diet and cut out gluten and dairy and with that you know comes dry skin if you've got uh if you've got dry skin and you can actually think about the alimentary canal which goes from your mouth to your butt and as like the outside body in a set of your body in a sense in the same way that a cave going through
00:06:10
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
Digestive Health and Skin Conditions
00:06:37
Antony Sammeroff
ah a mountain is not the mountain. you know if your If your skin's dry, that that means that your digestive system's dry. And and the villi are supposed to make like this, left, right, left, right.
00:06:51
Antony Sammeroff
if If old hard sticky material gets stuck between them, then you're constantly reabsorbing poison and you can't take in nutrients.
00:06:54
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:02
Antony Sammeroff
So
00:07:02
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:07:03
Antony Sammeroff
um these kind of digestive issues or digestion is linked to skin, skin is linked to digestion. um i guess that gave me some kind of idea. that I never knew that was going to be in the, the let's say, holistic health world.
00:07:19
Antony Sammeroff
I don't want say alternative because it's not alternative.
00:07:21
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:07:22
Antony Sammeroff
m But all of these, all the fingerprints were all over everything because
Exploring Alternative Health Approaches
00:07:27
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:07:27
Antony Sammeroff
when I was in my early 20s, I went to...
00:07:30
Antony Sammeroff
Chinese medicine doctor on the Isle of Wight. And I described all these symptoms, you know, blotching in the skin, eczema, m mucus. ah I had fungal forms in my toes.
00:07:43
Antony Sammeroff
And they were like, he was like, oh, that'll all be your digestion.
00:07:47
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:07:47
Antony Sammeroff
and he And he gave me some probiotics and various things. Again, from my perspective now, his view was quite, it was also quite limited compared to what I know now.
00:07:58
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:07:59
Antony Sammeroff
ah it showed me that, you know, there was an alternative approach and his potions did actually give me, did make everything clear up for a while.
00:08:14
Antony Sammeroff
So that kind of put me on to the, that and another, you know, with this blotching on the skin, and my doctor would be like, I remember I asked, he gave me some cream that went away.
00:08:27
Antony Sammeroff
it came back. I asked him why. and he kind of shrugged and he was like, for m he was kind of like, poor luck.
Critique of Mainstream Healthcare
00:08:35
Antony Sammeroff
And then he he paused for a second and he went, poor care.
00:08:36
Christian Yordanov
Poor...
00:08:39
Antony Sammeroff
And I really wish that I'd said, kirk yeah, i wish I wish I'd said, so what exactly do you mean by poor care?
00:08:41
Christian Yordanov
Poor care.
00:08:47
Antony Sammeroff
Like, what have I done not to take care of it properly that could lead to because it's such a passive aggressive comment. He was suggesting something without saying anything.
00:08:54
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:08:57
Antony Sammeroff
And obviously it's because he doesn't have a clue ah about how the system works as a whole. and and what the cause and effect of these kinds of indications are. So that helped me see.
00:09:10
Antony Sammeroff
Also, you know, I was suffering from depression. ah no Nowadays, we know that those are not two diseases. You know, the fact that was having severe digestive issues and skin issues and that I was depressed were not two different
Depression and Gut Health Connection
00:09:23
Antony Sammeroff
diseases.
00:09:24
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:09:24
Antony Sammeroff
Those were two symptoms of the same disease, which has you know,
00:09:27
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:09:28
Antony Sammeroff
you know it was all it was all one disease. ah
00:09:31
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:09:31
Antony Sammeroff
You're gonna get depressed if you're not and properly taking in nutrients and you're not digesting your food properly, if you've not got the right bacteria in your gut.
00:09:38
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:09:40
Antony Sammeroff
So I remember I said that the doctor suggested putting me on antidepressants and I said, all right, well, I mean, just let me look them up online and and and and find out a bit of information and then I'll then i'll get back to you.
00:09:55
Antony Sammeroff
And I thought he'd be pleased, but he went, okay, then doctor. i had the naive thought that he'd be like, oh, that's really good that he's taking an interest in his and in his health. But he obviously didn't like that I just said yes. So these kinds of things put me on the on the line to being skeptical
Reversibility of Food Intolerances
00:10:15
Antony Sammeroff
about.
00:10:17
Antony Sammeroff
pharmaceutical medicine or or the mainstream approach to healthcare and I started reading books, I can actually eat dairy and and wheat without getting eczema now.
00:10:28
Antony Sammeroff
So that shows that food intolerances are reversible. In fact, when I when when this happened When the change happened, like I went on a wheat and dairy binge to check, you know, to see if I could overload myself.
00:10:45
Antony Sammeroff
And if I'd get eczema, if I had too much and I didn't get eczema. So even though I'm not really sure those foods are optimal, it's nice to be it's not it's nice to be able to enjoy them from time to time if you want to.
00:10:50
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:10:53
Christian Yordanov
Yeah,
00:10:57
Christian Yordanov
yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:10:59
Antony Sammeroff
It's horrible thinking... oh, it's so unfair, everyone else can have a cheese sandwich, but I'm not allowed to, you know, what's wrong with me? You know, it's not fair, you know.
00:11:07
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:11:10
Antony Sammeroff
So that's that's the physical, yeah, the physical digestive health aspect of it.
Journey into Psychotherapy
00:11:17
Christian Yordanov
So, and you're also a, therapist ah you so so you studied psychotherapy, right?
00:11:23
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, and i when i was when i I became a self-help junkie in my 20s, in part due to the depression and anxiety. I was like, you know, reading all the books and I went to retreats and counsellings and results were more quite modest, to be honest. I didn't get a lot better.
00:11:42
Antony Sammeroff
But by the time I was kind of coming to the end of my undergraduate degree, I'd started running little workshops on communication skills and I was facilitating people. I read a book called, um Nonviolent Communication, really amazing book for helping with relationships.
00:11:58
Antony Sammeroff
And I started practicing the exercises in that book. especially the listening exercises, how to listen and help people feel understood. So I was coming to the end of my degree and I was thinking, what am i going to do next?
00:12:13
Antony Sammeroff
And there's two things I liked. One was writing plays and one was this, helping people. So I thought to myself, you know, I'd love to be a playwright, but I need to drag myself kicking and screaming by the hair.
00:12:28
Antony Sammeroff
I had long hair back then. and I had to really drag myself to finish any of my plays. so And I thought, do you know what, if you're going to be really good at this, you're going to need to write like 40. And out of the 40, you write maybe 10 of them will be good. And then you'll start writing really good stuff.
00:12:46
Antony Sammeroff
And that's just never going to happen. I'm too
Transition to Bodywork Practices
00:12:48
Antony Sammeroff
slow. so i went So I decided to do my postgraduate and counselling studies at Edinburgh University. And, you know, I was listening to a lot of YouTube in those days. And I kind of fell in love with the idea of being an online...
00:13:03
Antony Sammeroff
personality and coach and counselor and um you know i thought that I thought that sounded like a really glamorous lifestyle at that age and so I've done that online for about 12 years and I still do c therapy clients just not as many as i did before I started doing the body work
00:13:28
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah and so when did you transition into the bodywork stuff
00:13:33
Antony Sammeroff
Last year, ah yeah, I mean, i had...
00:13:35
Christian Yordanov
okay
00:13:37
Antony Sammeroff
um but But the thing is, here we go, talking about the journey. I mean, i have... where Where does it start? Because...
00:13:48
Antony Sammeroff
I went to the chiropractor in my 20s and he told me my shoulders were too far forward and he kind of clicked me. But, you know, I didn't get that much out of it. In my early 30s, I was sick and tired of being anxious and I went to yoga retreat in India.
00:14:00
Christian Yordanov
It's
00:14:03
Antony Sammeroff
I've seen craniosacral therapists, Thai masseuses. I never thought I was going to be a body worker. But each of these people, the physios that I saw in India, the osteopaths,
00:14:14
Antony Sammeroff
And they all taught me something about my body, which I have then been able to notice in other people's bodies. So in some sense,
00:14:29
Antony Sammeroff
It's like following the breadcrumbs that were laid out to you by, you know, like, like the the fingerprints that this that I was suited to this kind of work have been there the whole time.
00:14:32
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:14:41
Antony Sammeroff
I just needed to do the 12 years of working as a counselor, i guess, psychotherapist that informs everything I do.
00:14:51
Antony Sammeroff
you know what I mean? It's like what you do shapes your personality.
00:14:52
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:14:55
Antony Sammeroff
So it just gives me a ah different
00:14:55
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:14:58
Antony Sammeroff
ah everything I've done has been based on what I've needed myself. you know what I mean? All of that body work that I tried, it helped me a little bit, but it didn't fix me.
00:15:04
Christian Yordanov
and Hmm.
00:15:10
Antony Sammeroff
Then whenever I found a solution, I was like, oh my God, like, this is the thing. You know, if you meet someone, like my my teachers, is they're like,
00:15:21
Antony Sammeroff
So far, the the results they produce for people are so far beyond what I'd seen anyone else do.
00:15:23
Christian Yordanov
but
00:15:30
Antony Sammeroff
I was like, I'd be an idiot not to learn this. So that's what that's what made me go in there. and And I'm able to deliver incredible results to people. m so
00:15:42
Christian Yordanov
So just just let's define what exactly, cause it's, I heard the term mixed modality. ah What exactly is this discipline that you, you did, uh, when, when we were in Mexico?
Mixed Modality Bodywork Methods
00:15:58
Antony Sammeroff
Well, we're going to rename it because is, you know, it's a bunch of different things. But I would say fundamentally, it's based on the principle that tension in the body starts in the fingers and toes.
00:16:05
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:16:12
Antony Sammeroff
And I feel like this is what is absolutely missing from every other form of bodywork. And it's not that the other forms of bodywork are not good.
00:16:25
Antony Sammeroff
Most of them are excellent in the realm that they operate. What I would say is my teachers work with a chiropractor m f and and that helps multiply the results.
00:16:39
Antony Sammeroff
If someone wants to go for craniosacral therapy, I would work up the left. I'd start with their pinky and work up the left side of their arm to their neck. both arms.
00:16:50
Antony Sammeroff
That might take me three hours, so two and a and and a half hour session, maybe four. Then go for the craniosacral therapy. And it wouldn't be an addition thing. It would be a multiplication thing.
00:17:01
Antony Sammeroff
The craniosacral therapist would get more out of them because they'd been pre-
00:17:01
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:17:10
Antony Sammeroff
conditioned for that treatment. i would have I would have raked the leagues ah the leaves out the way so that the craniosacral therapist could get a deeper release. and And they would do a bunch of stuff that I don't know how to do, and I might never have the time to learn how to do.
00:17:23
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:17:26
Antony Sammeroff
m All of these modalities, Thai massage is excellent, but It might take so many Thai massages to regain the level of mobility that we can give people in one session.
00:17:46
Antony Sammeroff
and if If you go for a deep deep tissue massage without unlocking the finger and toe joints and working up the arm and leg a little bit, The tension will come out for sure, but it will all creep in.
00:18:01
Antony Sammeroff
If you come for a couple of treatments of what we do, and then you go for the deep tissue massage,
00:18:01
Christian Yordanov
Hmm.
00:18:09
Antony Sammeroff
it will stay out for months longer, maybe years longer. That's my prediction anyway.
00:18:14
Christian Yordanov
Hmm.
00:18:15
Antony Sammeroff
So we need to work in concert with other body workers. And it would if I knew anyone who is a body worker, I'd tell them, don't walk, run to the next course.
00:18:31
Antony Sammeroff
I'm going to be helping in May 2021. And maybe November, again, and Mexico, the courses are taking place in Mexico.
00:18:36
Christian Yordanov
Where?
00:18:40
Christian Yordanov
Oh, Mexico.
00:18:41
Antony Sammeroff
and Because whatever you do, whatever form of body work you do, it would be extremely complemented by by the method the that i've learned the methods that I've learned.
00:18:50
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:18:53
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Okay. So let's let's just briefly discuss the method because I'll tell you the crazy thing. So we did the two hour session. It was on the Friday. So let me just see when it was. So today's the 17th of March.
00:19:10
Christian Yordanov
We did that on the 21st of um February. So it's been one to three and a half weeks. What was crazy, so let me, quick story. So I messed up my neck neck really badly back in 2020 when I was writing my first book. was spending 14 hours at the computer for months on end.
00:19:31
Christian Yordanov
My neck pretty messed up. I started going to the Cairo pretty often. And um then my second book, I was writing that about ah just over a year ago I finished it and that was five months I spent a thousand hours at the computer over five months it was intense man but what happened that time is my neck which was reasonably in better shape since the last book something happened and on the left side here and I no longer had that mobility and it's kind of weird so I was going to the Cairo he was helping a lot
00:20:05
Christian Yordanov
helping it to keep it together. And then one night as of sleeping like I just turned over on the one side and like my neck just popped.
00:20:12
Antony Sammeroff
Thank
00:20:14
Christian Yordanov
I was crazy. like I couldn't turn it for while. So it was bad for a while. But ah you know months went by after i i stopped writing the book. But it would always I could feel it lock up after I spent an hour, two hours at the computer.
00:20:25
Christian Yordanov
So anyway, we did the two-hour thing with you and you were only working on the right arm and hand right and you did a little bit of the neck both sides but what happened dude is i came back and i had like i had work up to my eyeballs so the next two weeks after that i spent hours and hours at the computer like someday six hours non-stop at the computer crazy thing it does it's not locking up dude it's not freaking locking up now when i turn my head i don't my mobility is not
00:20:48
Antony Sammeroff
Uh. Mm. Mm.
00:20:58
Christian Yordanov
perfect on the left side. feel like I have maybe a few degrees of range of motion less than the right hand side, but it's just not locking up like it was before. And I wouldn't feel this tension, right? Kind of in the middle, right? Maybe three, four, C, C, three, C, four.
00:21:13
Christian Yordanov
So i think that was pretty cool. And we we didn't even work on that on the left side much. So I'd like to know what is what like like we started at the fingertips.
Effectiveness of Bodywork Techniques
00:21:23
Christian Yordanov
What is going on there that we're doing And how is that tension sort of carrying over to the entire body? Can you just explain that in real simple terms for the listeners that might not have ever done like any of these studies, any of these sort of practices and therapies?
00:21:40
Antony Sammeroff
Yes, I'll certainly have a go. And by the way, that's really awesome to hear that you've seen such a lasting result from the treatment. It sounds like you might need one or two more to finish the job, it's amazing.
00:21:54
Christian Yordanov
That's why I was asking when you're coming to Portugal.
00:21:56
Antony Sammeroff
her Brother, it's quite funny and because for for people at home, like, The previous time I was in Mexico, a couple of months before I met you, and was actually...
00:22:13
Antony Sammeroff
I actually listened to your podcast and while I was on my training course. I just remembered that now.
00:22:22
Christian Yordanov
Nice.
00:22:22
Antony Sammeroff
not Not literally a while, but I'd popped out for lunch or dinner.
00:22:25
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:22:26
Antony Sammeroff
and And it was really funny when I met you because I heard your voice.
00:22:27
Christian Yordanov
Cool.
00:22:31
Antony Sammeroff
I was like, I recognize that. I recognize that voice. And and there you are, Brother Yordanov, as I like to call you.
00:22:36
Christian Yordanov
Cool.
00:22:38
Antony Sammeroff
so
00:22:41
Antony Sammeroff
i Right, okay.
00:22:42
Christian Yordanov
Cool.
00:22:42
Antony Sammeroff
So what exactly is happening? Well, I guess I'm kind of seeing... My my way of describing it is the fingers are like a lever, if you like. So, like, if if that is tight, my I mean...
00:23:01
Antony Sammeroff
if this if If this joint isn't moving, this makes the finger tight. And if the finger tight, it affects the next, the hand. And if the hand's tight, it affects the arm. And if the arm's tight, it'll go up here.
00:23:15
Antony Sammeroff
And depending on where, which finger is tight, It's very, very predictive. So if people have got the third and especially the fourth finger, which is really common now because of phones, they will tend
Tension Points and Therapeutic Benefits
00:23:30
Antony Sammeroff
to be tender here and behind here.
00:23:30
Christian Yordanov
o
00:23:34
Christian Yordanov
Just when you say here, just for the audio listeners, where are you?
00:23:36
Antony Sammeroff
Oh, sorry, behind the, behind the, for the listening audience, behind the elbow, up the arm behind the elbow.
00:23:39
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:23:42
Christian Yordanov
Behind the elbow.
00:23:43
Antony Sammeroff
If I, if I, squeeze yeah, if I, if I squeeze the tricep, people will be like, ow.
00:23:44
Christian Yordanov
On the triceps. Near the triceps.
00:23:50
Antony Sammeroff
And also in the neck, sorry, and between the neck and shoulder ah behind, behind and for example, yeah, the trap.
00:23:50
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:23:56
Christian Yordanov
Right. The trap.
00:23:59
Antony Sammeroff
For the thumb, ah right on the shoulder, in the front of the shoulder,
00:24:03
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:24:04
Antony Sammeroff
Like, and I've had people who one person had pain in the shoulder and the right shoulder for 10 years, even tried so stem cell injections.
00:24:17
Antony Sammeroff
Imagine how much he spent on so stem cells, like didn't work.
00:24:18
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:24:21
Antony Sammeroff
One session, 70% reduction in pain, massive increase in mobility. It's just because people don't, if you don't, tackle the fact that the fingers are locked up, your results will be modest. That's that's my view.
00:24:38
Antony Sammeroff
And a lot of people will get a lot of body workers get pissed off, you know, because they studied something for years and years and I'm saying, you know, the results that they deliver will be modest. But that's the conclusion I've come to because I went through the merry-go-round myself.
00:24:56
Antony Sammeroff
You know, i went to all of those people and the results that I got were modest until I unlocked my fingers and my toes.
00:24:57
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:25:03
Antony Sammeroff
So, um, So that's it. You know, i went into a clinic in Edinburgh because I thought was going to be staying more there about maybe getting a room and working on people there.
00:25:16
Antony Sammeroff
And she's working with the fascia and I think probably what she's doing is amazing. And she but she said to me, oh yeah, I had a girl, a woman come and we managed to, we corrected a like like a difference in leg length in one session.
00:25:33
Antony Sammeroff
And she said that like, as though I was, ah as though she expected me, me to be mind blown.
00:25:34
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
00:25:40
Antony Sammeroff
And I was like, oh great, because we see that all the time with this method. It or it happens a lot so i wo i didn't know i didn't know I didn't know that I should be really i really impressed it wasn't until it wasn't until I went away and thought about it and understood and saw the way that she looked at me after she said ah ah that I was that was i didn't realise I was meant to be impressed by that and don't get me wrong it is incredibly impressive it's just that I thought we were meant to be able to do that
00:26:14
Christian Yordanov
awesome stuff so um yeah so the treatment itself is i have to admit really painful but you did give me one of those wooden sharp ass sticks and what i've
00:26:29
Antony Sammeroff
Oh, it's a blunt
Managing Pain in Therapy Sessions
00:26:31
Antony Sammeroff
object. i don't ah if If I...
00:26:33
Christian Yordanov
that if that is blunt, I don't want to know what sharp is because
00:26:34
Antony Sammeroff
yeah
00:26:37
Antony Sammeroff
Well, if ah if I gave you a sharp object, it would pierce your skin.
00:26:38
Christian Yordanov
so
00:26:42
Antony Sammeroff
That's not what I'm going for.
00:26:42
Christian Yordanov
So maybe I'm using the wrong side, maybe. No, it's it's okay. it's i think it's it's based on the level of how tense you are. The more tense you are, the less pressure will cause pain and more blunt object.
00:26:55
Antony Sammeroff
That's so true. That is so true.
00:26:56
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:26:57
Antony Sammeroff
On average, sometimes I meet people who are very rubbery and you need to put a lot more pressure in them to get pain. It is a no pain, no gain treatment. And maybe that's part of the reason why it's not so well known.
00:27:10
Antony Sammeroff
I believe there's places in India that do it. and They like to go really, really hard on people until they're screaming.
00:27:17
Christian Yordanov
whoa
00:27:18
Antony Sammeroff
But, um,
00:27:20
Christian Yordanov
Is that necessary though?
00:27:20
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, I think oh it we what what I do is i I work on a pain scale of 1 to 10, and we're going for an 8, and it's the client's 8, right?
00:27:34
Antony Sammeroff
There's no use for going to go for a 9 out of 10 because...
00:27:34
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:27:41
Antony Sammeroff
If you come in trying to be a tough guy and like, oh, yeah, I'm going to let you go in at a nine, you will not be able to sustain an hour, an hour and a half or two hours. No way.
00:27:52
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:53
Antony Sammeroff
So it's so you want to go for an eight.
00:27:53
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:27:57
Antony Sammeroff
If it gets too much, then just go for a 7.5. and It's better to go for a 7.5 than a 7 because I feel like it's the pain that alerts the brain to the fact that the muscle is unnecessarily tight, which ultimately leads to the signal to relax.
00:28:20
Antony Sammeroff
I'm going into hypothetical territory here based on my own experience of why I think it's working and what ah from what I've seen, what I think.
00:28:28
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:28:32
Antony Sammeroff
there it's not I don't really like to speak in the realms of what I can prove, ah what I can't prove, but that's what I think.
00:28:33
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:28:40
Antony Sammeroff
like this works on the reflexology chart. And if if you if you go online, they've got all sorts of charts of what what area of your foot relates to what organ.
00:28:54
Antony Sammeroff
And if you speak to reflexologists who've been doing it their whole life, I've not, they'll say, oh, whenever I meet an alcoholic, their liver point is always agony when I poke it.
00:29:06
Christian Yordanov
Huh.
00:29:06
Antony Sammeroff
It's predictive.
00:29:07
Antony Sammeroff
Now, i believe I'd say I believe in that stuff, but I can't prove it. So I don't talk about it with my clients.
00:29:13
Christian Yordanov
Mm.
00:29:16
Antony Sammeroff
I just talk about the stuff that I can prove, you know, the muscles letting go. it's It's measurable, unlocking the joints. Usually what I do is a demonstration on someone where I'll grab their hand and see which look which which joint is the most locked, get them to agree that it doesn't move laterally, left to right, left to right.
00:29:39
Antony Sammeroff
and then I'll do a demonstration to unlock it and show that it does move left, right, left, right, because seeing is believing. I don't want anyone to have to take me on faith or, or, oh yeah, well maybe in six to 12 weeks, if you come in twice a week, you'll see this much of a difference, you know, and, and I, and I appreciate, you know, in certain fields, that's what's necessary in chiropractic care.
00:29:57
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah. Hmm.
00:30:05
Antony Sammeroff
Maybe you come for three sessions first week, then two, then one a week, and the end, six or 12 weeks if you're very good and you practice your exercises. yeah I don't have the confidence to do that. and I want to get results in one session because if I kick someone's ass in one session, they're like, wow, that really moves a lot better.
00:30:26
Antony Sammeroff
If they value themselves enough, they'll be back. And that's what sold me in it. When I met my teacher, i had repetitive strain injury in my wrist so bad, i was scared to pick up my phone.
00:30:38
Antony Sammeroff
She got results in one session.
00:30:39
Christian Yordanov
jeez
00:30:40
Antony Sammeroff
She didn't completely fix it in one session, but it was way better. So I was coming back for more. I was sold. And by the end of that, I was like, if I didn't learn this, I'd be some kind of idiot. You know, I'm there, babe.
00:30:52
Antony Sammeroff
Tell me when your course is. I'll be there. And yeah, and now I'm going to help on the next course.
00:30:55
Christian Yordanov
hmm awesome that's you're talking about baudry fraser right yeah
00:31:01
Antony Sammeroff
Baudre Fraser, yeah, Baudre Fraser and my other teacher is Aisha Gannett and they're both and phenomenal, not just practitioners.
00:31:10
Christian Yordanov
Awesome.
00:31:12
Antony Sammeroff
They're both phenomenal practitioners. A lot of people are good at something, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're good teachers as well. They're also good teachers.
00:31:21
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:31:21
Antony Sammeroff
They're attentive. They observe. They are encouraging. the They don't treat every student as the same. they look They look at what you need.
00:31:32
Antony Sammeroff
They look at look out for what you need to learn and they help.
00:31:33
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:31:36
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, I was actually talking to Baudrill, not this year, but last year, and I was doing the hydrogen machine, and I also... She sort of enlightened me to the fact that you can use DMSO in your eyes. So I started using DMSO in my eyes like wow, I was always scared because it stinks so bad on the skin. But yeah, really, i like what what the the guys in at Iheal Collective are doing. um Just a couple of questions. So why?
00:32:10
Christian Yordanov
Why are the joints supposed to move laterally of the hands and the and the and the feet, the toes and whatnot?
00:32:19
Antony Sammeroff
Okay, so you're going into physiology expertise, which might be some somewhat out of my realm of knowledge. m I kind of like focus on, I know what I need to know to get people better.
00:32:34
Christian Yordanov
yeah.
00:32:34
Antony Sammeroff
So I can't tell you why.
00:32:34
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:32:39
Antony Sammeroff
i can tell you what happens if they don't, right?
00:32:42
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, go on.
00:32:43
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, so if they don't... and the fingers become rigid. ah Gradually, they start to, they go from, the hand looks relaxed. See, I've got more work to do. it I know some people just listen, I just listen, but for anyone who's in the video, there's a step, when you look at my hand horizontally, there's a step down here.
00:33:05
Antony Sammeroff
If I continue to get work, one day that'll just go pop and it'll straight in. Asia's seen it happen hundreds or thousands of times. So,
00:33:14
Christian Yordanov
Mmm. Mmm.
00:33:14
Antony Sammeroff
what happens is that the hand just gra gradually curls n and becomes more rigid. And as it becomes more and more rigid, like, and the way that a person moves is stiff.
00:33:32
Antony Sammeroff
The way that a person holds their body is stiff. And it just, it's like, it's, again,
00:33:43
Antony Sammeroff
It's hard to describe for people who are not in the video, but you can, if you're, if you're watching, you can see.
00:33:45
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:33:50
Antony Sammeroff
and like, if I'm expanded, right, you know, I'm not big and muscular like you. Part of the reason why is because I had all of these, all of the stiffness for all of my life, which made it really unpleasant.
00:34:02
Antony Sammeroff
In fact, when I went to the gym, I had a physiotherapist tell me to go. This is relevant to your question, to go to the gym and pull. so at it to to aid my back.
00:34:12
Christian Yordanov
if
00:34:15
Antony Sammeroff
So I was going, i was really faithful. I went and I was pulling and pulling. And then one of my friends who's actually ah a personal trainer came and said, had a look and said, okay, yeah I think you're going to for the results you want, you're going to need to put more weight on Anthony, you know?
00:34:35
Antony Sammeroff
So less reps, more weights, more sets. More weight, more sets. So, okay, i did he put some extra weight on.
00:34:46
Antony Sammeroff
I pulled... I did exactly what he said and like i then I could not use my computer for four days because the rest the repetitive strain injury in my wrist was so...
00:34:54
Christian Yordanov
well
00:35:00
Antony Sammeroff
because this That's not the way to look at it. Because the stiffness in my wrist was so bad that doing something else that was meant to be good for me damaged me.
00:35:11
Antony Sammeroff
So that's what happens when the fingers don't move, like the joints and the fingers don't move laterally. You get this stiffness that makes it hard to take exercise, that makes it unpleasant to pick things up and take them around your apartment, and to reach up, to bend down.
00:35:31
Antony Sammeroff
If it's happening in the toes, if you've got a pinky toe that starts to migrate under your fourth toe,
00:35:38
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:35:39
Antony Sammeroff
you're in line for a hip replacement. If you look at, if you look at, go around and look at the pinky toes of people who've had foot replacements,
00:35:42
Christian Yordanov
Oh,
00:35:49
Antony Sammeroff
I'm thinking, I expect you'll see something like a 90 to 99% accuracy in my prediction that they've got wonky pinky toes that are not where they should be or pointing the right direction.
00:36:03
Antony Sammeroff
The sad thing about it is I can usually correct that in under an hour. So people are getting hip replacement.
00:36:08
Christian Yordanov
well
00:36:10
Antony Sammeroff
I can't correct the whole foot, but I've got before and after pictures of people's toes curling around and they think they're just like that, you know, either genetics or shoes or, and and they straighten up, they straighten up in one session.
Criticism of Insurance Systems
00:36:28
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, but you don't take insurance, so I'm gonna go with a hip replacement.
00:36:28
Antony Sammeroff
That's
00:36:31
Christian Yordanov
I'm sorry.
00:36:31
Antony Sammeroff
right.
00:36:31
Christian Yordanov
I'm sorry.
00:36:31
Antony Sammeroff
Exactly.
00:36:32
Christian Yordanov
you you you You talk a good game, but you do take insurance.
00:36:37
Antony Sammeroff
Right. So, but I mean, you're joking, but this is a sad thing about the system. do you know what I mean? It's really true.
00:36:43
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:36:43
Antony Sammeroff
They, If we had a sane healthcare system, the insurance companies would want to prevent having to pay out.
00:36:55
Antony Sammeroff
But the thing is, they get a rebate and the private hospitals get more money and and the doctors have got quotas and everyone's making money from illness. What's more...
00:37:08
Antony Sammeroff
if you take bad lifestyle choices now and you get bad results in 10 or 20 or 30 years, most people change jobs, which means you will have changed insurance companies.
00:37:19
Antony Sammeroff
So it's not going to be your insurance company's problem if you get sick later.
00:37:24
Christian Yordanov
Oops.
00:37:25
Antony Sammeroff
So they don't really have an incentive to to look down the road.
00:37:26
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:37:31
Antony Sammeroff
But yeah, so we can we can we can save people from hip replacements. if the if If the toes get rigid, that leads to the ankle getting rigid.
00:37:44
Antony Sammeroff
If the ankle gets rigid and you trip over, you will you will be more likely to get sprained or break or hurt your ankle. Whereas if your toes are nice and relaxed and the ankle moves well, then you might just you know trip and get back up and it might be a little bit sore.
00:38:02
Antony Sammeroff
I'm a thermometer for this because when I was a kid, I was so clumsy. Whenever I walked barefoot, I'd stub my toes and it would hurt so much.
00:38:10
Christian Yordanov
Tschüss.
00:38:12
Antony Sammeroff
I couldn't believe it. And I've noticed that I've stubbed my toes recently. And although it does hurt, it just doesn't hurt as much. So you're not as susceptible to m to being put into pain following this treatment.
00:38:28
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. So but when we completed the two-hour session in Mexico, you just rotated my two ankles and you were like, oh, Jesus Christ, that looks bad.
00:38:39
Antony Sammeroff
Mm-hmm.
00:38:40
Christian Yordanov
So um just curious because when... you You kind of gave me some some tips and tricks um on what to do. But I remember a couple of years ago, we were going to an osteopath here in Portugal, and she was really good from Austria.
00:38:58
Christian Yordanov
And she does that one where they feel like the pulsations of your cerebrospinal fluid or whatever. And she would just like do these very subtle things. And you're like, wow, feel I feel really good that afterwards, you know.
00:39:12
Christian Yordanov
But of course, it wouldn't stick because of what you're talking about. But what she was telling me at the time is take a hard ball, step on it, where and wherever you find the tender tenderest spots, just step.
00:39:15
Antony Sammeroff
Right.
00:39:24
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah.
00:39:24
Christian Yordanov
bos just sit there, like stay there like that.
00:39:27
Antony Sammeroff
That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:28
Christian Yordanov
So I actually, I started doing that again because I did that for a while, but you need to keep keep up these things.
00:39:32
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah.
00:39:34
Christian Yordanov
It's like anything else, you know, like training, fitness, whatever.
00:39:36
Antony Sammeroff
Right.
00:39:37
Christian Yordanov
So I started doing that again and I, man, like I feel more limber, all over my body and I'm not doing much.
00:39:44
Antony Sammeroff
OK.
00:39:45
Christian Yordanov
I'm not doing much the last couple of weeks cause it's raining a lot. So I'm not playing tennis or anything, but man, so tell me, tell us, uh, just that let's, because obviously we're going to try to have you in Portugal to kind of do, do this ah for whoever, you know, is up for it.
00:40:00
Christian Yordanov
Whoever has the balls, just kidding. Um, But what can we do at home to start working on? i think it's easier to do the hands, but I think the feet is also super important.
00:40:10
Antony Sammeroff
For sure.
00:40:11
Christian Yordanov
we Give us some tips to start now.
00:40:14
Antony Sammeroff
Oh, that's really good. First of all, that's really awesome that you re-found your um
00:40:22
Antony Sammeroff
tennis ball and that you noticed a difference. And also, I think, because we spoke... you saw the logic of what she told you earlier, which made you more inclined to do it.
00:40:37
Antony Sammeroff
You know, she had ah ah similar pieces of the jigsaw puzzle to me and some more that I don't have for sure.
00:40:38
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah
00:40:45
Antony Sammeroff
i wouldn't have known how to do those ankle manipulations that she does, you know, she probably knows a lot and that I don't know. And, but when we started talking about unlocking the joints, that set a light off for you.
00:40:53
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:41:00
Antony Sammeroff
So all of the knowledge that she gave you um was put into a context where you felt like it was more worthwhile. So yeah, yeah, exactly. i mean, it would be great if I could do your toes and then she could do those, uh,
00:41:17
Antony Sammeroff
Ankle manipulations, because it would be a multiplication thing. It wouldn't be like 10 plus 10. It would be like 10 times 10, because they they they they really complement each other.
00:41:22
Christian Yordanov
and
00:41:25
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:41:29
Antony Sammeroff
So in answer to your question, I mean, get a chopstick. This is a hairpin. Hair is really good, because a lot of people have trouble and with their hands because of their mouths.
00:41:35
Christian Yordanov
Okay. So, yeah it's under the thumb?
00:41:41
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, this ah whole the whole muscle complex in here, you know.
00:41:41
Christian Yordanov
the The flesh of the thumb?
00:41:47
Christian Yordanov
The thumb.
00:41:47
Antony Sammeroff
feel her ah Feel around.
00:41:48
Christian Yordanov
Okay.
00:41:49
Antony Sammeroff
Feel around for where there's a tender spot.
00:41:50
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:41:52
Antony Sammeroff
And once you find one, oh, it's sore in there. m Apply pressure. If you can go up to an 8 out of 10, that would be amazing. Most people, when it works...
00:42:02
Christian Yordanov
Grab a pen. Yeah.
00:42:03
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, most people... Most people, when at work when they work on themselves, can't really access an 8 out of 10. and It's just a psychological block.
00:42:10
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:42:11
Antony Sammeroff
If you can do 7.5 or a 7, that will still work.
00:42:12
Christian Yordanov
like
00:42:16
Antony Sammeroff
And you just hold the pressure where it's sore. And you just literally wait until... it starts to come down. Sometimes it crests, it goes up a little bit more painful, and then it comes down 7, 6.8, 6.5.
00:42:29
Antony Sammeroff
When gets to about 6 or a 5.5, take out the and your thumb around and see fear the hand feels. take out the tool and rule your thumb around and see how much em how much fear the hand feels m ah ah each time I do it, I think that I hate this. It's painful. This is going to be the last spot.
00:42:52
Antony Sammeroff
but then i move correct But then I move around the hand. I'm like, oh, that feels much better. Let me just do one more. m
00:42:59
Christian Yordanov
I'm
00:42:59
Antony Sammeroff
that Yeah, the tips of each of the fingers the tips of each of the fingers are good places to target. Above and below the joint. and I like to go in between and between the two fingers on the hand.
00:43:14
Antony Sammeroff
And you can follow the whole line down if you want to. m
00:43:18
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:43:18
Antony Sammeroff
There's more advanced stuff. ah that That's plenty. Do you know what i mean? if people start with that, You could just do the same thing on the toes.
00:43:24
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:43:26
Antony Sammeroff
the front of the to the the top the The front as well is very effective, especially on the toes. But you know what it's like with these things? ah like The vast majority of people listen and go, oh, that sounds really interesting, and they don't do it.
00:43:42
Antony Sammeroff
So if that's you if that's you at home listening, thinking that sounds really interesting, and but I'm not going to do it,
00:43:43
Christian Yordanov
Don't do anything, People don't do stuff.
00:43:52
Antony Sammeroff
Do it. Brother Yordanov told you. and Otherwise.
00:44:00
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, but that's, to be honest, that's what I love about...
00:44:00
Christian Yordanov
ah look
00:44:02
Antony Sammeroff
Sorry, do you want to go first? Because I've got something.
00:44:04
Christian Yordanov
No, you go ahead.
00:44:06
Antony Sammeroff
That's what I love about my form of treatment, because I'm like...
00:44:06
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, no, you go ahead.
00:44:14
Antony Sammeroff
still in the... i it's not It's not like I want to go to the doctor and be given a pill, but when I go to a practitioner and they're like, okay, do a whole bunch of stuff when you go home, I'm like...
00:44:26
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:44:27
Antony Sammeroff
I'm like, that's very nice of you to say that, but I know what I'm like and my mind's so busy and I'm trying to write a book or I'm trying to do this. How do you expect me to do all of that? Whereas with this kind of treatment, I do actually go in and do it for you.
00:44:42
Antony Sammeroff
So for like people who find it difficult to commit psychologically, I can actually just swoop in and even if you're lazy, you'll still get the benefit of the of the treatment and it should last for months or even years, whatever benefits you get.
00:45:01
Antony Sammeroff
So then you can maybe, once you've had a few treatments and you see the benefit of it, you're a bit more likely to work at home. you You start to get the hang of some of it and you can teach your partner or your best friend or your worst enemy, maybe preferably get your worst enemy to poke you because they'll definitely go in an eight.
00:45:19
Christian Yordanov
ah
00:45:22
Antony Sammeroff
Do you know what I mean? They'll definitely be willing to cause you some pain. So as you know, people do need help with the, with implementation.
00:45:33
Antony Sammeroff
And as a society, we've not really mastered the psychology of, it you know, we're we're great at giving people information, but we're not great at helping with implementation. And I think in a sane society, the same way as people get together with their friends to eat pizza, the healthcare care system would get them together to make, you know, to do stuff like what your osteopath did, where she mobilizes your ankle,
00:46:03
Antony Sammeroff
like to work on each other or to have or to do their exercises together, the same way that people go to yoga, you know, and together, something like that.
00:46:11
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:46:13
Antony Sammeroff
But for old people, which isn't as strenuous as yoga, where you just move your neck this way and that way. And, you know, the insurance system would get people together because most people find it really difficult to do things on their own.
00:46:27
Antony Sammeroff
That is just a fact.
00:46:27
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
Understanding and Communicating Pain Levels in Therapy
00:46:29
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. And I think with this kind of thing, you have to understand what eight out of 10, eight out of 10 pain is at least once because it's, it's, it's, it's not the kind of thing.
00:46:39
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:43
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm going to poke myself with a chopstick and that, that seems like an eight out of 10 and eight out of 10 is where like, I want to like run away type thing.
00:46:52
Antony Sammeroff
huoray Right, right.
00:46:53
Christian Yordanov
So,
00:46:53
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, and a 7 works, you know, better. 7.5 works better. find it hard go in myself in 8. i find it hard to go in and myself in an a I sometimes call someone else in and go, okay, I've done a few points on my pinky.
00:47:04
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:47:07
Antony Sammeroff
Can you just really finish it off and go in at a full-blown eight? So it is full-blown eight.
00:47:15
Christian Yordanov
gotta love that full-blown aids
00:47:19
Christian Yordanov
so
00:47:19
Antony Sammeroff
You know, what I like to tell people is eight is when you kind of want to punch me in the face. 10 is your when you're actually going to punch me in the face. Say, don't want to get punched in the face today, Brother Yardinov, so do me a favor and stop me at an ache.
00:47:34
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:47:37
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Um, so what's your take on trigger points? Is that a similar sort of thing of these sort of areas of tension that develop in the body or is it different?
00:47:51
Antony Sammeroff
m i don't know a lot about trigger points, although some people have asked me if that's what I'm doing. So I probably should have... looked it up by now.
00:48:02
Antony Sammeroff
I sometimes feel like a little bit bit de-skilled because my whole entire life, whenever I've learned about something, like I've wanted to know every single thing, like I decided I was interested in economics and political philosophy and the history of Western philosophy.
00:48:17
Antony Sammeroff
And I just like listened to hundreds or thousands of hours of stuff and became an expert and then the pharma thing. And then like the and psychotherapy, approaches to psychotherapy, different psychological theories, blah, blah, blah.
00:48:32
Antony Sammeroff
And now I've come into this thing where I'm working on people whose knowledge of physiology and biology far outstrips mine.
00:48:37
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:42
Antony Sammeroff
And I don't have the benefit of like 10 years of study behind me. So it's like, um I'm kind of like, well, you know, in Zen, they say you should have a beginner's mind.
00:48:48
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:48:54
Antony Sammeroff
So yeah, um I'm just listening to everyone.
00:48:56
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:48:58
Antony Sammeroff
I know what I need to know to deliver the results that I want to deliver for people. But when it comes to the the the ins and outs of physiology, I mean, you know, way more than I do.
00:49:10
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:13
Antony Sammeroff
my My friend is a personal trainer I met and knows way more than I do, you know. m so
00:49:19
Christian Yordanov
And I think that's okay because like even I have clients that are osteopaths and physicians, ah chiropractors as well on the client roster, and they know a lot more about physiology, pharmaceuticals, pharmacology, pharmacokinetics and stuff.
00:49:33
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah.
00:49:37
Christian Yordanov
But I know the reason they're coming to me is I know... the fast, the way to accelerate a person in poor health or with a health issue back to good health, better health, up to closer to optimal health.
00:49:46
Antony Sammeroff
Right.
00:49:49
Antony Sammeroff
OK. Great. and We need each other.
00:49:51
Christian Yordanov
So that's, at the of the day, it's the exactly, the end of the day, it's the, who can get me or you the result faster? you're in pain, if you have, poor range of motion or are g your destiny is to have a hip replacement because of simple things, simple tension that just multiplies.
00:50:10
Antony Sammeroff
that we can fix.
00:50:12
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:50:13
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah. Yeah. You're so right. And you know, yesterday I was at convent, I was working at a convention. There was a chiropractor there and I was like listening to him do assessments on people. And he said, well, if this, this, um,
00:50:29
Antony Sammeroff
is locked, then that's likely to lead to this. And I was like, and I was standing there working on someone thinking, I should be recording this dude so that I can listen to, listen listen, so I can re-listen to his assessments and, uh,
00:50:41
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:45
Antony Sammeroff
Because it sounds so impressive when you're able to tell people, you know, well, this vertebrae is out and that leads to dysfunction here, there and everyone. where But, you know, the more you the the more you know, the more you know.
00:50:58
Antony Sammeroff
So, but but would it, it sounds very impressive, but would it actually improve my practice? I don't know. I'm not going to start clicking people's backs because I don't have that area of expertise.
00:51:05
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:51:09
Antony Sammeroff
I'd rather send them to someone who does.
00:51:12
Christian Yordanov
Exactly, exactly. It's all about, it's just getting the the result for the client. If you can do that, I i think almost no person that I've worked with has asked me, but what are your credentials?
00:51:26
Christian Yordanov
You know, it's like, nobody's asked people, you know what mean?
00:51:26
Antony Sammeroff
Right, right. Serious people don't. And it's it one of these funny things that I found in America. A lot of people at these events introduce themselves.
00:51:41
Antony Sammeroff
I am a licensed blah, blah, blah. I'm a board certified this, that or the other. And maybe they like it. I don't know because I've never grown grown up in the culture.
00:51:53
Antony Sammeroff
But it always makes me think, who the hell cares, right? If you need to say that, I am actually less impressed with you because you because you've needed to tell me what your credentials are.
00:52:02
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:52:06
Antony Sammeroff
Like, I would rather you're silently or... are I'd rather hear the wisdom in your words. I'd rather hear your context, the context that you can bring.
00:52:24
Antony Sammeroff
the context you can bring is do you sound like you know your shit? Like, I've had people come up to me, you know, just at the convention saying, oh, my friend JJ said you're a wizard or said you're this or that or you're other.
00:52:32
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:52:41
Antony Sammeroff
You know, my my paper credentials as a body worker are ah few. i i am have But I have spent way too much time in college, you know.
00:52:57
Antony Sammeroff
at studying other things. So if I've got a bunch of qualifications from universities, a lot of that was a waste of time. Not all of it, some of it was really good. It really helped me be a writer. I learned lots of stuff that i really do value.
00:53:12
Antony Sammeroff
But a lot of those years, I would have rather have done other things with. So I don't really rate myself by the amount of years that I've spent in college.
00:53:16
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:53:20
Antony Sammeroff
I think I might have spent 10 years and
00:53:22
Christian Yordanov
Jeez, I'm sorry for you, bro.
00:53:22
Antony Sammeroff
terror and and higher education and higher education, but not studying bodywork. But I think I'm more of a wizard in bodywork than a lot of the stuff that I studied at uni. so
00:53:33
Christian Yordanov
Oh, yeah. um I'm and sorry for your soul that got was crushed under those 10 years of... um Of course, there's always good things that come out of it.
00:53:41
Antony Sammeroff
yeah yeah More like eight. Yeah. no
00:53:44
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:53:44
Antony Sammeroff
Well, do you know what?
00:53:44
Christian Yordanov
There's always good things that come out of
00:53:46
Antony Sammeroff
we were trying to fight we were trying to I was trying to find my way into the right thing, you know?
00:53:49
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yes.
00:53:51
Antony Sammeroff
So it's kind of like, yeah, it is what it is.
00:53:51
Christian Yordanov
Yes.
00:53:54
Antony Sammeroff
you know what I mean?
00:53:56
Christian Yordanov
Now, what's what's your take on the joint? So I'm actually able to these little joints in the fingers, like the pinky, for example, I'm actually able to like pop them. What's your take? If if you can pop a joint like that, gently, should you be doing that?
00:54:12
Christian Yordanov
it Does that mobilize the joint somewhat more than not doing it?
00:54:19
Antony Sammeroff
You know, I've heard people say don't do it. I've heard people say do it. the the The question is more like what like, why is it like that? Like, when when people, like, crack their knuckles all the time, do they have do do they have, like, again, I'm always just looking at chronic muscle tension.
00:54:32
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:40
Antony Sammeroff
I feel like I don't want to, like, if I come down on one side of that debate and the science comes along and I was on the wrong side of it, then... then ah yeah i just don't like to ah I just don't really like to make judgment where I feel like my judgment is like not on...
00:54:53
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:55:00
Christian Yordanov
Well, it's not necessary to to have an opinion on what's better to do it or not to do it.
00:55:04
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, yeah. yeah
00:55:05
Christian Yordanov
it If you're able to do that and it allows you to mobilize the joint, do you think it's worth... but Or are you more about just get the chopstick and just try to get those 10 spots?
00:55:17
Antony Sammeroff
and I'm like, just get just get just get your chopstick and get your wife... Get in an argument with your wife and afterwards say, i need you to go in at an eight right here, you know?
00:55:34
Antony Sammeroff
And she will, you know?
00:55:36
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, she will win.
00:55:36
Antony Sammeroff
so at The side of the finger, you know, one thing is like, and so sorry for people who are just listening, you know, I noticed this when I was in school.
00:55:48
Antony Sammeroff
This finger goes off to the side. It creates tension in a predictable way all the way up here.
00:55:51
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:55:55
Antony Sammeroff
and With the pinky toe, you can just bend over and push it under your... fourth finger and you will feel tension in your buttocks so just by doing that on myself I could tell people well I know you're going to have tension in your buttock because I tested it out on myself I saw what happened when I moved my pinky toe yeah yeah
00:56:10
Christian Yordanov
whoa
00:56:21
Christian Yordanov
like this mm-hmm
00:56:23
Antony Sammeroff
the way that yours is, I can literally feel it in my butt. So I know you've got tension in your butt because it's just the way the body works. So the difference is now look at that and go, it can be corrected, just like the step in my hand.
00:56:41
Antony Sammeroff
thought just be that.
00:56:42
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:56:44
Antony Sammeroff
i'd just be like that that can be that can that can actually be corrected, whereas before we didn't think it could be corrected.
00:56:46
Christian Yordanov
How
00:56:51
Antony Sammeroff
What's coming online in terms of our potential to heal is actually quite phenomenal at this stage in history.
00:57:03
Christian Yordanov
how do you mean?
00:57:04
Antony Sammeroff
Well, just like, i if I'd known about this form of treatment 20 years ago, that would have saved me lot of time, money, energy.
00:57:14
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:57:22
Antony Sammeroff
i would have been much healthier for the like for the last 20 years. m you know i would have been much more relaxed.
00:57:26
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:57:29
Antony Sammeroff
It would have been pleasant to move. I could have enjoyed yoga more. I could have enjoyed all sporting activities more. But the fact is this rate of healing was not available to me.
00:57:41
Antony Sammeroff
I could have maybe gone to Thailand and got like five Thai massages a week for months and, and maybe, and I would have got some of the same results.
00:57:48
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:57:50
Antony Sammeroff
Do you know what I mean? But, and but now we're kind of, we're heading into, to the light speed era of, um,
00:57:52
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:58:00
Antony Sammeroff
especially since we're all linking together and talking, COVID was bad. But one good thing about it was it got everyone in the health, it got the healthcare community to congregate around a network of podcasts.
00:58:17
Antony Sammeroff
So if some innovation comes along, that's really, really helpful, really, really useful.
00:58:18
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:58:23
Antony Sammeroff
at will be, It can easily be disseminated now. It can get out to all of us and we can all find out about it.
00:58:29
Christian Yordanov
well
00:58:34
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. So i'm just curious just for myself, because i' obviously ah I'm feeling like that was a good two hours that we spent, but we only did the one
Future of Bodywork Practices
00:58:44
Christian Yordanov
arm.
00:58:44
Christian Yordanov
So obviously I want to continue, at least for myself.
00:58:45
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah.
00:58:48
Christian Yordanov
I'm not sure if the listeners are going to want to even try this, but um how do you, once you're done with the hand, how do you start moving up the arm?
00:58:58
Antony Sammeroff
Oh wow, okay. Yeah, I mean, you're just going to have to lay your arm down and get your elbow in. i like to do either side of the... On almost every one I work on, the arm, I'll do either side of the wrist at eight, and then on top of the wrist at least once.
00:59:17
Antony Sammeroff
because The reason why i call that like a bang for a buck point, after I do that and they roll around their wrist, 90% of the time someone will go, wow, that feels much better. So I like to give people results they can actually feel.
00:59:31
Antony Sammeroff
If you're able to do it, you know, you can get your elbow in the top of the arm.
00:59:31
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:59:36
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:59:36
Antony Sammeroff
You might need your wife to do the bottom of the the the the other side of the arm.
00:59:37
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:59:41
Antony Sammeroff
and Whatever you can do do, it. You seem like you're committed enough. So you can really go in with your elbow up up your arm.
00:59:47
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:59:50
Antony Sammeroff
Oh, yeah, see, I noticed that's incredibly tender. So I really need it there. I could really benefit from going in at an eight. But then I'd actually trace it trace that down until it wasn't tender.
01:00:04
Antony Sammeroff
I'd start just where it wasn't tender and see how much. And then i'd then I'd go back up the way to where it was. Oh, and it's really bad there. So that means I really need it.
01:00:15
Antony Sammeroff
I mean, it shouldn't be that painful.
01:00:17
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:00:17
Antony Sammeroff
so So there's...
01:00:20
Christian Yordanov
I'm finding this spot here is super tender, just as you're talking, just there.
01:00:22
Antony Sammeroff
Hmm. Well, yeah, that's your, so I'd guess that probably your pinky isn't quite um unlocked yet, but also in here, in between the pinky and the fourth finger, there's a whole complex of muscle in here.
01:00:36
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Uh-huh.
01:00:39
Antony Sammeroff
you could go in with ah You could go in with a you know, in between the two bones.
01:00:43
Christian Yordanov
So...
01:00:44
Antony Sammeroff
two born
01:00:46
Christian Yordanov
What's yeah's pretty mind-blowing is my my wife, um she got these anatomy cards because she's doing all these Pilates courses.
01:00:54
Antony Sammeroff
All right. Nice.
01:00:55
Christian Yordanov
So she she didn't need the stuff the you know with the hands and the feet, whatever.
01:00:57
Antony Sammeroff
Oh, lovely.
01:01:00
Christian Yordanov
So she allows me to show those to our daughter because you know we know eventually they're going to get wrecked.
01:01:06
Antony Sammeroff
Right.
01:01:07
Christian Yordanov
But when well when I'm looking at these... um uh the musculature of the the feet and the hands it's insanely complex like people think oh just that's my my hand bone is connected to my arm bone you know but like the there's like dozens i think there's dozens of muscles when you actually break it down little ones
01:01:17
Antony Sammeroff
Right.
01:01:28
Antony Sammeroff
Right.
01:01:29
Christian Yordanov
can tendons, ligaments. So I can see how if like what you're saying that these muscles are a lever or a lever for the American audience, ah tiny ah a muscle with tension can potentially cause pretty nasty effects in much bigger muscles, much further away from the hand.
01:01:55
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah.
01:01:56
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:01:57
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, it's and it's an incredible innovation.
01:02:02
Antony Sammeroff
So, yeah, I'm looking forward to getting to Portugal myself. and
01:02:07
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, man. yeah Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna do some cool stuff. And hopefully, we're gonna get other people involved that want to be part of this because um i see when there's something i can kind of sniff out if there's potential in something.
01:02:23
Christian Yordanov
And when I see it, um I, yeah, I want to so do more with it.
01:02:28
Antony Sammeroff
Well, I mean, you you you've experienced it firsthand, so you know it's undeniable. you know i i just have so much faith in the method.
01:02:40
Antony Sammeroff
It's like I have so much faith in the method that I can come out as a relative ignoramus that doesn't know tons about anatomy
Faith in Bodywork Techniques
01:02:49
Antony Sammeroff
and still feel completely confident treating people because I just see body after body
01:02:49
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:55
Antony Sammeroff
the results that it provokes. And they were exactly, you know, it was exactly what I was hoping to get, you know, when I naively stepped into chiropractor's office at 24 or 25 or whatever i age I was when I first saw ah body worker, you know, were able to get, were able to, I'm able to get results for people.
01:03:02
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:03:11
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:03:15
Antony Sammeroff
And it's the, it's the method that's to credit, you know,
01:03:19
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, I just wish ah I instead of doing my session on Friday, i could have started earlier. There was a dude next to me.
01:03:25
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, me too.
01:03:26
Christian Yordanov
he was there every day. You told me ah he was into it.
01:03:28
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, and at the end of it, at the end of it, he was like, I feel like I've just come out my mother's womb.
01:03:39
Antony Sammeroff
That's what he said on his video testimonial for our Instagram page, you know, instagram.com
01:03:42
Christian Yordanov
Amazing. Amazing.
01:03:48
Antony Sammeroff
forward slash fox lotus healing. I've got a whole bunch of
01:03:52
Christian Yordanov
Yeah,
01:03:54
Antony Sammeroff
a whole bunch of video testimonials on there. Yeah, and and he said he felt like he'd just come out of his mother's womb. Everything was working better. I would have loved to get more chance to work on you as well, but we will.
01:04:06
Christian Yordanov
yeah.
01:04:06
Antony Sammeroff
It's in the mail.
01:04:06
Christian Yordanov
yeah Absolutely, absolutely.
01:04:09
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah.
01:04:09
Christian Yordanov
And we're going to have you on the show again to talk about other cool stuff. So um thank you so much for joining us today, Anthony. And as we wrap up, till just remind the listeners where they can find you everywhere, your websites, and if they if they want to work with you.
01:04:23
Antony Sammeroff
Yeah, I mean, the best way to get in contact with me is Anthony at BeYourselfAndLoveIt.com. There's BeYourselfAndLoveIt.com. That's more for my counseling, like psychotherapy, coaching practice.
01:04:38
Antony Sammeroff
Then there's Be Yourself And Love It podcasts. and And I'm pretty easy to find if you type. I'm the only Anthony Samaroff in the world. so so um ah So if you type my name in right, you know, no H in the Anthony, double M for mother, double F for Foxtrot, you'll definitely find me pretty easily if you want to.
01:04:48
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
01:05:02
Antony Sammeroff
And I'm sure people will be well informed of it. and if I'm coming to port Portugal for the opportunity to get treated there.
01:05:11
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:05:13
Antony Sammeroff
Otherwise, and I will see people internally in the UK and I actually travel from event to event. I'm in Austin, Texas at the moment. So if you if if you're interested, if you want it badly enough, you'll get in touch.
01:05:30
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah. Otherwise, grab that chopstick and start stabbing all your tender points.
01:05:35
Antony Sammeroff
Right, exactly.
01:05:38
Christian Yordanov
All right, brother. Thank you so much for coming on today.
01:05:40
Antony Sammeroff
Thank you.