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Season 4- Episode 8- Farewell to a Legend (Premiership Round 6)
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It's those American Rugby knuckleheads, back for your ears' enjoyment. On this episode, we say goodbye to a legend of the game, both here in the U.S. and around the club, we were too lucky to have her. We look back at the aftermath of the match against the All Blacks in D.C. and the issues that lie ahead. Of course we recap all the goings on in the Prem and why ringfencing might not be as good as folks think. Pop one off and throw your feet up, enjoy!
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Introduction and Moving Challenges
00:00:08
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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to this advanced jewelry re-ink. My name is Jared Dyches. I'm Ben Glauser. Let's get into it. We've got some good stuff to talk about today after this past weekend. Some unfortunate stuff as well, but hey, that's, you know, good terms of the bad, unfortunately. Yeah, always. If it sounds like Ben's on another plant because he's packed up all his shit. Yeah, we're moving house this weekend, so I don't have my normal studio. I'm out in the living room, so.
00:00:38
Speaker
I'll come here, crack them if you got them.
Supporting Georgia and Learning Together
00:00:41
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Find us on your favorite podcast app, download rate review as always. And in the meantime, buy our friend Georgia a coffee or a beer, however you want to see it.
00:00:53
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Cause if you're listening to us, there's a good chance that you're hearing some of the stuff that comes out of his face too. So just, you know, we're a vessel. We obviously we, we pay attention to the same trends and we've learned from each other over the years. So yeah, if you, if you like us, you'll love him. Yeah, absolutely.
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Racism in Sports: Persistent Challenges
00:01:34
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Black Lives Matter as always on this podcast. And there is no room for racism. The clock is ticking, Exeter.
00:01:42
Speaker
It really is just wait. It's not going to, you know, with all the stuff that's coming out about Washington football team and all the stuff that's going on there, you know, these organizations that that maintain these type of environments are that way for a reason, and they all kind of share commonality.
00:02:04
Speaker
Yeah, it'll come out. All that stuff, whatever is going on at Exeter, they have the worst elements of people, unfortunately. I'm not saying this is all of them, but it reflects on all of them. You have the racists, you have the anti-vaxxers, you have the kooky conspiracy theory people.
00:02:28
Speaker
Yeah, you don't need more of those either. No, you know, you know what goes on in those type of of environments with those type of people. So just wait. You know, you could you could just change with the times and suffer no scrutiny. Yeah. But, you know, the really sad thing about the Washington football thing, you know,
00:02:49
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Of course, Raiders owner, Al, Al's dead. Mark Davis is like, well, I want to see the report. Well, shouldn't this be enough? Like the shit that's like been rolling downhill just the same, but that guy can read anyway. Yeah. The dude looks like he's, Oh my God. I don't know what planet that dude from, but wow. He is nope. Just a whole lot of no for me. I'll pass.
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It's not right there. Definitely not. Definitely not. Al, you messed up. Come back. Fix it. Obviously, you want to make sure that if you're not going to get any upgrades or buy Georgia coffee, grab our Patreon. We appreciate our Patreons as always, and we really, really appreciate the support.
00:03:34
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Hopefully, people are finding that the information is good and that they actually turned into good things.
Remembering Cathy Flores
00:03:39
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Right. Yeah. Please. If you're enjoying it, spread the word. Tell, you know, tell the people that that what they're what they're getting for their money. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Fortunately, we got to kick things off with more sad news. The great, the great category is dying, passing on this past week. It's just
00:04:04
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Oh, and you could feel the hurt in everybody's voice and everybody's words as well that were that were, you know, the outpouring that came from it and just like, she impacted so much here. And it's really
00:04:18
Speaker
No words can do her justice, honestly. I don't think they can. She's been a great servant to the game here in the United States in all aspects, bar none. So I, man, huge loss for us. I want to talk about how special she was as, you know, in the last few years at least. I feel fortunate that I've gotten to, I got to know her. I coached against her quite a few times and I've worked with her a few times.
00:04:48
Speaker
I feel very lucky to have had that opportunity. And the first time I met her, I ran her over on the touchline because we were at a sevens tournament and I was going one way and she was going the other. And just I trucked. We weren't even looking at each other. And so I help her up and she's like, yeah, it's rugby, whatever. And meanwhile, I out this was I was I had just finished playing. So it was my transition to coaching. So I'm still prop worthy size and solidity.
00:05:16
Speaker
And she was much smaller than me and didn't miss a beat. She's like, yeah, whatever. I've gotten hit by bigger than you. But she showed that that was a good introduction for me, especially as I was coaching women and not all women react well to men.
00:05:33
Speaker
coaching, and that's perfectly understandable. So I was not sure how she was going to react to me. You never know, because I was also coaching with another one of her teammates from that 91 team who didn't have the same attitude towards rugby. Let's put it that way, and people, rugby people. So Flores had the right attitude towards rugby and people. And
00:05:55
Speaker
When she, she coached at Brown and Pravi women, two great programs that were doing great things, that she was doing great things with, including updating their style of play late, late in her career of coaching, which is hard to do. She went from a more plotting that one up hits to expansive rugby within a year or two. And because it was clear that her club was there, both, both organizations were, were kind of suffering because it wasn't working out and she changed for the better.
00:06:25
Speaker
That's just great, great rugby stuff right there to me. So just a credit to her for attitude, everything, molding young minds, everything you want from a rugby person. And it's sad that we miss out on more of that.
00:06:44
Speaker
Yeah. And she just, she transcended everything all over the globe. Um, you saw the outpouring out of it after she passed and it was just, you know, much respect going or going all the way around the world. So that's great. But that speaks highly of her, um, her, her previous players all just could not say enough good things about her. So, uh, she is a member of the rugby community near and far that's going to be 100% missed. I'm really sad to see that one.
00:07:12
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Okay.
US Team vs All Blacks: Analysis
00:07:14
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More pain, but for a different reason, U.S. and the All Blacks. Not a lot to go through with the game. I'll point out three guys that I thought played fairly well for their, for considering all the things. Osberger, 100% effort, homicide, same thing.
00:07:32
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never they always the the motor ran on those two and they did their best to do what they could for the for the team but obviously there was just so many fucking gaps that was ridiculous and I thought little petty actually look you know for
00:07:44
Speaker
The majority of the back line, majority of the time, looked like they were in quicksand. He was the one guy that didn't look like he was in quicksand and ready to go forward almost all the time. So I'll give him credit as well. But really after that, I don't take away, I don't hit on, I'm not going to knock anybody after this match that was on the US. They were overmatched. It's not a fucking mystery here. You know, it was more of a, yeah, no shit they were overmatched. So you just kind of let it go and let it be by, you know.
00:08:13
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't even I honestly full disclosure didn't watch the match. I wanted nothing to do with it. I watched up until we scored the second one that I called it a day. I mean, it's just what are we doing? This isn't good for the game or for the sport in the US.
00:08:32
Speaker
It's like, we are not, like the US, and the problem is it's a depowered US equals team. And they can't afford to be depowered. I mean, we saw losing, just losing AJ is enough for us to be shit against fucking Uruguay. This was the whole schedule probably because someone thought, oh, okay, we can, the MLR will advance us faster than
00:08:58
Speaker
than we thought it would. And no, it hasn't. Yeah. Of course not. Not even close. And I'm sorry, as soon as this Ritchie Mulling is named, I'm like, I'm not fucking watching this. It's the end. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. He's one of, if not the best 10 in the world. So yeah, that was gonna be bad news. So yeah, the fallout from it is, as far as the US goes, it's a good hard, and I mean hard slap in the face for anybody that even thought that we were,
00:09:28
Speaker
ahead of where we actually are. This is a good firm slap in the face. No, we are not. We got miles to go. We got miles and miles to go. So, chill your boots for anybody that's got some weird thing going on in their brain thinking that we are somehow going to be competitive on the world stage in less than two years. We're not going to be nearly the competitive thing that people want us to be.
00:09:50
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certainly not if we're only feeling MLR players. We do need these European players to thrive and to be brought up through their academies as well and backfill it with the MLR players is always going to be the better way. But in that at the same time, I think we saw
Hosting Rugby World Cup in the US
00:10:11
Speaker
many issues that will come up with the bids for the Rugby World Cups that they've put their names on for the US. Lines on the field, they cannot be there. So, what was that? That was horrible. It was awful. And I was like, oh, this is a tragic piece of shit. Also, the sponsor, I'm not a fan of F45. So, that just got me real soft, real fast. I fucking hate that thing. So, I was like, nope, that's gonna really just kill me right there. And then, unfortunately,
00:10:41
Speaker
The stadiums, a lot of the stadiums that are being proposed to be used aren't wide enough to support the camera angles that you want. You want to be able to see, from your typical television camera, somebody dancing down the sideline.
00:10:58
Speaker
And you couldn't even see their knees, you know, on the side, you know, if they're running along the sideline. So that's a problem, you know. You don't want to have to switch cameras. You don't want to just assume. People want to see that. You know, it's also going to be helpful because I'm a TMO time. Well, was that the fault of the camera angles or was that a fault of the video staff, the flow rugby, whoever's putting it on? I mean, flow rugby should be nowhere near it. Let's be real about this. We know that.
00:11:28
Speaker
Right. I mean, I don't know who the main broadcaster was because if it was the U.S., that would mean flow. So, yeah, no, I don't I don't I wouldn't blame the U.S. for that. You know, I wouldn't blame the camera angles on anything but them. And if the if there's going to be a World Cup that's hosted here, they will have no part in it. So I don't worry. I'll discount that. No. Well, it's more it's more the state. It's more the stadium designs.
00:11:51
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because the touch lines had to be pushed so far to the edge of these fields. Oh, it's the you got the seats in the way. Yeah, you got bodies and walls and seats in the way. So you need your problems with that. So, you know, that needs to be addressed somehow. And, you know,
00:12:08
Speaker
You can get away with a few of the stadiums here right now. I can think of probably three or four. And you really want seven or eight. So you need to make a lot of consideration here with this one. So we'll see. Yeah, thankfully these, maybe we can get the 31 and the 2031 woke up and get lots of planning time. If they do it here, it would have to be done in like the,
00:12:36
Speaker
What, MLS Stadium? So you'd have to be like the... A lot of them, yes. Yeah, like the Blue Bulls that we saw, the... The Red Bulls, yeah.
00:12:43
Speaker
Red Bulls, whatever they were. The stadium in Philly, which I'm not sure what it is. Yeah, I don't know. It's changed names 10 times already. Right. Everything does. But that actually I've been there a couple of times and I've loved it. But the thing is, they're not like 60,000 seat stadiums. No, not every one of them needs to be, you know. Right. So Sandy Park was won a couple of years ago in England. You know, there are smaller venues that are, you know, options and that you don't need to have every one of them be this massive
00:13:12
Speaker
Arena and they have actually fared well with rugby so much a lot better than. Then Washington football team Stadium did so. Yeah, no, that was poor. Yeah, it's very bad. That's the second one that's been hosted there, and I can't say that I want to see another one ever hosted again there. Honestly, I don't remember that being a problem at Soldier Field, but I don't remember it either. So you know, maybe we can use. I think Chicago was proposed as potentially the the final.
00:13:41
Speaker
Oh, that would be great, which will be which sign me up. I'll be there. Yeah.
00:13:47
Speaker
Um, so there's that, um, so yeah, that's the fallout from it. Lots to fix on and off all over the place. If we're going to do this rugby world cup thing. Yeah. Um, so yeah, right now I don't have a lot of optimism outside of like, if we get, you know, the women's, then the men's. Yeah. Well, let's do that. That would be great. Actually, that would be good. Cause I think there will be a lot of support for the women's rugby here in America. I think cause cause I think there's just a lot more support for it.
00:14:14
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period. Not that there isn't overseas, but I think you'd have a lot more men coming out too than you would in some of the other countries.
Northampton's Victory and Key Performances
00:14:25
Speaker
Right. Yep. An argument on me. Okay. Let's dive into this past weekend's matches. Some good stuff and some not so good stuff. Let's go to Friday night, Northampton and Worcester and it was a party for the Saints.
00:14:43
Speaker
Everybody, everybody got in on the act. Yeah. I mean, I'll be returning your ROA scored twice. They just, I think you got ones at least. Just one. Just one. Almost got a second. Okay. That's like, that's
00:14:58
Speaker
We can add Oppie to the list of the Marlin yards and Sam James and basically the entire sale back line. And who else is on that list of when they scored things are it's that kind of party. Yeah, something like that.
00:15:17
Speaker
Yeah, as soon as he's I think I even texted that to you. I'm like, oh, there's a new one for the list. Like this game's over. It doesn't matter. I don't care what the score is right now. This game is over. Yeah. Worcester did not score when they had 15 men on the field. No. All of their points came from when they were when Duhan was in the bin. Yeah, absolutely. But that the fuck. Yeah, there's a problem there. I mean, there's a lot of problems there. There is. You know, you see.
00:15:48
Speaker
It's a huge issue with, um, with Owen Williams being, being missing right now. And, you know, you didn't think it would be a name that would be so significant to this team, but at the same time, he, since he's not played, they've been really bad. You know, and that's, and I, and I'm not going to chop it up to just him, but he certainly, he certainly had some sort of, you know, he had something about him that was making him go. And now, and since then it's been big old bleh.
00:16:17
Speaker
Yeah, I just I don't. Yeah, I'm not. I think there's a lot going on there that's not because there's guys that are having great individual performances and they're just there's no support for it.
00:16:33
Speaker
we saw Kovacic with all his steals a couple of weeks ago and he's running with nobody helping him. And it's like, he's not exactly fast. Fucking get to it. And they weren't doing it. And
00:16:51
Speaker
I don't know. I didn't see much in the way of positivity for anything that Worcester had coming out of this match. And that's not, it's just not good. The guys that they saw, I saw a lot of blame for the signings. Like they shouldn't have Duham. I agree. There's no reason for Duham to be on that team. They don't know how to use him. Baldwin, I don't know why they bothered signing him. He hasn't really been that good lately anyway. Like, but it's not just the signings. It's that they don't play well with each other.
00:17:21
Speaker
Um, I, you know, I think that I have the, the, the bigger problems with their coaching staff that just matter when it doesn't matter what talent you have, you can't get, you can't, it can't fit on them. There you go. You've made enough changes elsewhere. Um,
00:17:37
Speaker
Yeah, they brought Jonathan Thomas in and can't say that there's been a whole lot of good things coming out of him lately. So right on the other side. Alex Mitchell is definitely laying down his marker for the next guy in for Eddie squad. If somebody gets hurt that plays nine.
00:17:55
Speaker
Right. How the hell he's not in there to begin with is a different story, but hey, that's a big question. Well, yeah. Cause you got to have, you know, we need youngs, we need Ben Young's got to have him somehow. Yeah. Um, he was, he was so good and then he came off and he's like, you know what? Now I'm not done. Fuck that. I need another back. So they're like, yeah, you want to keep playing? Okay.
00:18:18
Speaker
you know, it, honestly, I thought they were gonna keep Lamani at bump Lamani to win because he's played there a bunch of times, right? And sticking Mitchell back at nine. Nope, did the exact opposite. Did not see that coming. Very
00:18:33
Speaker
The class act, as he always is, damn bigger, putting an arm around Finn Smith after the match. It's like talking him up and just trying to make sure the kid doesn't get too frigging down on himself after that one. You know, he's not that bad, Finn. He's got, he can, he can play a little bit. If he was on a decent team, he'd be showing much better. So yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's good. You know, class from bigger and, and good for him too. Cause, um, Finn will need encouragement. We've seen this and you see it in the NFL, um,
00:19:02
Speaker
quarterbacks who come in and the two or two early and get shell shocked. And then they just suck. They never, they never get past it. And it's just, it doesn't become fun for them and they lose it. And you don't want that with someone like Finn Smith. Cause he's like 19. Yeah. He's 19 or 20. Yeah. He's a kid. He's a kid and he needs encouragement from someone like bigger. Cause he's good enough. And he played, he played a decent match, but not that much with him. Yeah. Not much.
00:19:30
Speaker
and Skosan with his hat trick on debut. Yeah. Someone's going to have to tell him he can't do that every match. He'll figure it out. Like you don't play Worcester every match. No, no, no, no, of course not. Let's jump over to Kingsholm, Gloucester 29, Newcastle 20 for the points that are sitting on the board. I can't say that I was super, super wowed by this match by any means whatsoever. Um,
00:19:56
Speaker
You know what? I didn't watch it. There you go. There you go. So that probably does you everything you need to know. Yeah. Oh, you know, I like seeing Valra Pava Ruskin score in for me, though. He did. Definitely did. I was happy about that. Yeah, I just hear Johnny May scored in this one. He did, which doesn't necessarily mean. Oh, no, just once. No, just once. I mean, fuck all that. We get set up for it pretty easily.
00:20:22
Speaker
Joel Hodgson was actually a bit of a catalyst in this one for Newcastle after he came on, which doesn't speak well to Conant. Unfortunately, none of the tens that Dean Richards has at his disposal have really grabbed that shirt by the spoon from the neck. So he's going to have a problem for a little while until one of them finally puts their hand up and says, it's my shirt. Anybody that wants to take it away.
00:20:44
Speaker
No, but that's a problem for Dean Smith to solve later, I suppose. So yeah, not great. Yeah, like I said, this is not when I was sitting there jumping out of my seat to watch and for good reason. But let's travel on down to the stoop, Quinn's and Bath.
Bath's Potential Against Harlequins
00:21:05
Speaker
Are we better from Bath? Are we better from Bath? For a half, yes. Right.
00:21:12
Speaker
Which is, that's better. Yes. Considering they put zero minutes in before, or maybe like the last five, but you know. Right. They've put together 40 minutes, which is a huge step forward for them. And it just, the thing is though, if they were playing anybody but Harlequins, well, not anybody, but anybody of, but someone of their caliber. Like, even if this was against, say, Exeter, Beth could have won it.
00:21:34
Speaker
Um, but when you play a team that can score at will and, and was just missing in the first half, they stopped missing in the second half. They did. They did. And both their centers just caught fire as well. So that didn't help. Yeah. And the town. I mean, he's, he's been on pot fire since frigging, since last year. Yeah. But I mean, he, he was, he, he wasn't really playing nearly as well in the first half. He, he turned it on in the second.
00:22:04
Speaker
Yeah, he knew he was messing up a little bit. So I was like, oh, this is what I got to do. I got it now. Don't worry, guys. I got it. Yeah. I mean, you always trust him. So at this point, right? Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure they do. Yeah, it's very injury to cozia, though. Yeah. Jeez. That was I do when the lights went out on that one. Right. And I didn't I didn't see it. And I was watching the match live, so couldn't couldn't rewind or anything. But there were and they were like, yeah, we're not showing you that. I'm like, oh,
00:22:33
Speaker
I mean, I saw him asleep right after it happened. I just didn't see the exact hit. Yeah. Head on hip, which is usually a bad thing. Yeah. Those hard points on the body. Not fun. Not fun at all. I do want to talk about this, though, because this was a significant conversation between you and I right before the match. What was it? Jonathan Joseph had to pull out in a JOMO win in form.
00:23:03
Speaker
No, I think you got your wires crossed. I thought we were talking about JJ versus Clark. Yeah, okay. Well, yeah, but it was because Clark was at 30. Yeah, because they moved him to 13. But I thought Ojomo and Clark played better than Ojomo and JJ have.
00:23:19
Speaker
That might be overselling it a little bit. Clark was a beast. Because I think they split responsibilities. So let me see how many tackles. Like a Jomo only made five tackles. I think Clark made like, he made 12. Missed three, but made 12. I don't know that you're going to get 12 tackles out of JJ. That's just not his game. What he does in tackling, he does not do a damn thing in the attack.
00:23:48
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. But I don't think JJ has. He hasn't been showing much lately. So I like this combination. And I'd like to go on back to last year. So I thought that they did.
00:24:02
Speaker
until Marchant moved to wing. He wasn't doing much, although Esther Hazen was killing them. Yeah, he was going through a jumble. Not good. No, I think that's a bit of a disrespect to Jonathan Joseph saying Max Clark is better than them in the grand scheme of things.
00:24:24
Speaker
I just don't know. Yeah. JJ is in gotta see it territory for me. It's been a while since we. Yeah. Max Clark has lived there for the entirety of his career. I thought he's really, I thought he was like 20. Um, 25, 27, something like that. 26.
00:24:41
Speaker
I was 26. Oh, okay. Then yeah. All right. I thought this was like a young up and coming. No, no, no, no. Not even close. I thought he was like another a Jomo. He is what we refer to as just a guy. And that's exactly what he is. JJ has been way more than that for much longer. I'll give you that. So yeah, this is not a pop. This is a salty veteran that's seen a thing or two and hasn't really done more than a thing or two. Fair.
00:25:10
Speaker
All right, let's run over to the match that made a few people happy at least over down to Devin. Exeter fall again. So and this is pretty much a full noise team. I'm not mistaken. So what's the excuse? Doesn't get much fuller noise in this. Right.
00:25:30
Speaker
Especially because I thought that, you know, the guys who maybe like bubble for them generally, Skinner and CapStick, I thought CapStick outplayed Simmons. And there's quite a few places. And right.
Exeter's Ongoing Struggles
00:25:45
Speaker
And Skinner is just just fucking solid. So like this was a good team that actually were put out, you know, for what they've been putting out, certainly. And now.
00:25:54
Speaker
Not a whole lot there. Not much there. How much longer do we continue to pump up Joe Simmons as a quality 10? I don't know. He's faded. He's faded for the last probably season and a half.
00:26:16
Speaker
or at least towards the end of last year, end of this year, let's go with that. Let's go with that. Right. It's not, I think, I don't know where that's going. And I think it's really hurting this team that they don't have a 10 who's just
00:26:33
Speaker
Well, you know, Baxter finally Baxter finally saw the fucking writing on the wall and brought Harvey Skinner in off the bench for four Simmons. Yeah. I was like, holy shit. Is that something? That's like something he never does. So he played 30 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. He took, he took Joe Simmons off at 50, 50 minutes in and that's in a close at the time, still a winnable match potentially. Yeah. That says a lot.
00:26:59
Speaker
Yeah, and then Hassel Collins decided to make life miserable for everybody. He does that. Yeah, pretty good with that. Yeah, the forward pack, which is where traditionally Exeter to live and breathe and do well was
00:27:16
Speaker
Outplayed by this by this exiles pack up front and the back row Absolutely, you know, I mean fucking ollie hoskins made like 20 tackles and and had I think like 20 meters or 26 meters that Yeah, i'm just looking at it now. It's yeah 20 and 26 like Dude for for a prop a tight head prop playing in only 56 minutes
00:27:42
Speaker
You had 20. Well, Glitter Clark had 21. Logiston had 23. Jeez. Pearson had 24. And Simmons had 17. Yeah. And Tuosu had 17. Fuck. So, yeah, those were... They were just making tackles left and right. They played defense like demons. They knew they had to and they committed to it. So credit to them for that. And Exeter couldn't get... Yeah, they couldn't get their game going. That whole like, we're going to...
00:28:11
Speaker
get, earn penalties until we're in your corner and then we're going to try to just drive, you know, mush it over and Irish are like, no, you won't. And then that was it. Yeah. Yeah. And the, um, I will say, and I love to poo on them, but man, the seed that Nick Phipps threw to Ben Rensberg on the wing for, for the try was
00:28:35
Speaker
on point. I was like, that is a pass. So I kind of give them credit for it. That was a bean. I take pride. I take pride in my chances to poo on Nick Phipps, but that one was not to be mad about that was a C. No. Yeah. Well done. So maybe this is a little bit more of what Declan kidney and co are looking for. Could be could
00:28:56
Speaker
We might see it, especially now that they're not going to lose a lot in this international window. No. And a lot of teams are going to be, you know, suffering for at least a couple, a few matches here probably. I mean, they'll lose Creevy. I popped for the right. So nope. Nope. Nope. Montoya is the hooker now.
00:29:12
Speaker
Oh shit. So they don't lose. Creepy. Oh, that's right. Creepy. Yeah, that's right. Montoya. That's right. I was thinking less or not. Um, no, try again. Yeah. Yeah. No, they don't really lose much. So, you know, assuming you keep everybody healthy for the most part. Yeah. Yeah. You might be, they might be able to pick up some more wins here and this one down here. So I'm good on them. Um, let's two welfare road. Uh, this was,
00:29:40
Speaker
Good old tussle, as I used to say. Yeah, it started early. Oh, yeah, lots of lots of lots of early shenanigans from both teams, really. Genshin and Curry, who will be, you know, a little bit about a week. Right. A little bit friendlier terms this weekend. I hope so, for everybody's sake. Right. Yeah, that was that was early. And that just kind of said that that did
00:30:05
Speaker
Unfortunately, I'd say set the tone for this match. It was not. It's not pretty. Just me. It's scrappy. Yeah, really good. But, you know, and this, these are the types of matches that Lester weren't used to winning. Right. So.
00:30:20
Speaker
To their credit, they got this one done. The Levenberg try was wonderful. My goodness. That was nice combination from the guys that set him up as well. Unfortunately, he got hurt in the same motion. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The guy falls on his shoulder. Yeah. I'm good.
00:30:37
Speaker
ouch hopefully he's okay but as a precaution they took him off and really it wasn't it wasn't that big a deal in the end you know you had Wilkinson kicking penalties and really that's all they had until the Langdon try and that was right at the dead so you know it's uh it for all the things that sale had
00:30:59
Speaker
the, you know, they're still lacking that 10, although supposedly AJ is back this week. We'll see. That would be good. Yeah. Although, you know, I like Wilkinson. I don't I would like to see more from him, but.
00:31:11
Speaker
Yeah. But when you have, when your choices are AJ or him, it's like, right. Right. If you have Wilkinson or, or Dupree or there, no, no, no, you're going Wilkinson. Cause it's that, again, I know what I'm getting from Dupree. I didn't know it's not good enough. So go get a kid. Way you go, kiddo. Have fun. At least now he's got some experience to go with it too, you know? Right. Right. And then the, all those fricking staff is in there really. Yeah. I,
00:31:39
Speaker
If on the other side, anyway, for Lester, I remember praising Saracens a couple of years ago for being able to beat you any way they need to. Lester have not been in that team. They are that team. As you said, they are that team now. They can run around you, as we've seen a couple of weeks now, and now they can front up when they have to against the Safas and with their Safas.
00:32:05
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. I suppose it does you good sometimes. Right. It's like they somehow neutralized and then the rest of the team. Yeah, I would definitely take the non-Safah Lester's over the non-Safah sale.
00:32:23
Speaker
Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah. There's very few people, players on sale that are not South African, that I would put ahead of a lot of the players, not South African on Lester. I agree. Gens goes probably the top of the pile right now. So yeah.
Saracens vs Wasps: A Tactical Display
00:32:39
Speaker
Um, Sunday over to Allianz and, or not Allianz, uh, Stonex. Sorry. It was the Allianz. Um,
00:32:49
Speaker
Uh, another training run. Like, oh, I mean, was brought a B team, unfortunately. And then they looked like it. Yeah, that didn't help either. It didn't help. Like Tommy Young was out there doing like crazy shit. And after some of I can't remember who Schultz had to come out and some of these other guys had come out. So it's like, I don't like Tommy, just protect. This is a match where you just protect yourself. Like you're not winning. Like there's no need to valiantly. This isn't a with your shield or on it. No. Because you're on it and they need you.
00:33:18
Speaker
Yeah, you're about to be on it, dude, like chill, chill, man. Just just calm down and let it play out. I mean, saris are clearly on a mission, too. So those. Yeah, it doesn't help. Some of those runs like the with the mail-ins try with with him and Farrell, just a two on two of them on the wasps. Yeah.
00:33:40
Speaker
And it was, it was so basic too. It was like, right. Pass to you. Okay. Then I follow and you pass it back to me and then try like not that fucking hard. No, it wasn't. And that's the, that's just the really sad part. Like they made it look way easier than it should have been completely. That was not, that was not simple. Cause like, if you, so if you look at the replay,
00:33:59
Speaker
What Faz is doing is he's, he's running towards the middle of the field and he's looking for, and you could see the wasps players all drifting out. They're all looking out towards mail-ins cause fuck me. I'm just been torching them. Yeah. He's already torched him for at least one or two at that point. And all Faz had to do is figure out, okay, there's, there's going to be a line here where.
00:34:18
Speaker
or somebody doesn't step in, somebody says, nope, I have to keep defending infield. Um, so I have to leave this gap open and somebody's not going to realize and keep following out and fast, just hit that gap and mail-ins put the ball right into it. And that was the line break. And then it was a two on one with the, the fullback and that's it, you know, whoever was back there. It's like, that's, that's that simple, but that's, you could, you know, it took me a little while to, to explain because that's the,
00:34:44
Speaker
That's the complexity right there is to figure out where the gap is and then just throw the two passes and you're through. Yeah. What's simple, fucking simple as that. Jeez.
00:34:54
Speaker
Yeah, it was. I mean, the bright spots on it were for the wasp. You know, the kibiriki try, nobody's out hustling that dude. Like, no, that was excellent. God damn. I was super impressed by that. And that's that's the type of stuff that got him to sign at wasp when he was on the Newcastle team that dropped too. So, yeah, dude, dude is fucking quick. And then the way that that Crossdell didn't get a try assist for that.
00:35:20
Speaker
Yeah, I guess they said it came off. He hopped it up. Well, he kicked it forward. Oh, yeah, he hoofed it, man. And then, yeah, of course, Kibergi kicks it to himself. I don't know what happens there. Yeah, I don't either. And then, and then old Jimmy got one. And that was, that was deserved. That was off, that was off across the LT, right? Yes, it was. That was his beam of pass, too. That was a great ball to get him out there. Yeah.
00:35:46
Speaker
So go to an alley to at least give something to his former team. Yeah, a little bit of something about that.
00:35:54
Speaker
Yeah, you know, and then was had, you know, they had Tom Cruise go down early. That was, you know, unhelpful in many ways. Ben Morris went down, I think, pretty early as well. So it was like, oh, what do you do? What do you do? And Schultz, that is fucking embarrassing. That's horrible, man. Like, you're not helping your team. Right. You know, last thing, 25 minutes. Cal Secara territory right there. Yeah. Fucking hell, man.
00:36:24
Speaker
Yeah, and you put a lot of gas. Yeah. And you pull a lot, you know, was it Miller Mills that had to come in early? Yeah, just like...
00:36:33
Speaker
Right. So bad. And he played so well, but he had to play so much. And he was gassed at the end. He was he was hurting. Like he would have had to come out, but it's like, we got no one else. So we got nobody else. So you're fucked. And, you know, to I don't blame them in any way, she performed was were very hesitant to throw Elliott Stuke out there. Right. They were waiting for everybody to stand up before they decided to make that decision. And he came in for the last nine minutes. That was probably nine minutes more than one to stick them out there for by the end there.
00:37:01
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. But when you have that many guys go out early, everyone else is going to be gassed. Yeah, held on for deal life. But yeah, so we knew this was going to be a lovely match going into it. But the guys kept fighting on the loss. But it's just, you know, this is not your typical team that gets promoted from the championship. So, you know, there's nothing but credit to them. And that's just how it goes. Fucking hell.
00:37:30
Speaker
And wasps, you know, obviously they needed, they needed a week off in a way. They needed another bye week. So right. And they, well, there's, there's, was the first week. So yeah, I'm sure they're excited for these prime cup games coming up in a few weeks where they can just throw the academy kid to be like here, play your hearts out. And if you get your ass kicked over, no big deal. Yep. You know, so we'll see. Okay. Um, yeah, just really rough. And it does, it does bring in the whole conversation of,
00:38:00
Speaker
I, it's funny, like the, I think the week, I think right before the, the Northampton game, uh, somebody pushed something out. There might've been fucking Healy about how, you know, the.
00:38:12
Speaker
the release, the, the release and the relaxation of relegation is let teams play more openly. I'm like, that might be true, but at this point, there's also games with zero jeopardy on them and teams are getting absolutely shit kicked. And I think that's a problem too. So yeah, yes, we don't, we won't have a drop for the next two years, but man, they need to bring it back after that. You know, they really do. I mean, it, it, it does make it that much more interesting too, but fuck, I mean,
00:38:41
Speaker
Yeah. When everybody, you know, okay, Worcester is that bad. That's not good. Right. Right. Right. Maybe that bad. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. To be determined with that one, but still just. And Bristol we'll see, but I think Bristol can turn it around. Yeah. It's still like, there's not much, you know, there's no pressure. There's no real pressure on them. That much is true, but you'd still think they'd like to compete.
00:39:06
Speaker
Yeah, you don't want a little bit of pride on the line. Do you really want to get, go out there and get embarrassed every match? Do you think that's going to put season ticket cards into, you know, people's stockings? I don't think so. Right. You know, so you gotta, we gotta consider that as well. You know, so it's, um, yeah, it's a problem. It's a problem. And I think the, the second they can get relegation back on the books, the better. So.
00:39:30
Speaker
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