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Season 6- Episode 16- Look in the Mirror (Champions Cup Round 4)
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We are back again with a jam-packed episode. On this ep of TFRY, we are talking about Faz's departure, what it means and the legacy he will leave at the StoneX. We are also talking all things Champions Cup as pool play takes shape and the knockouts get set for the round of 16. Of course, we have to talk a little bit of officiating because it's still pretty bad. Get a glass of something tasty to drink and kick back with us friends!
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It
Introduction and Hosts
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is. The Fantasy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody handled that. A collusion. A collusion. Hello,
Health Update and Podcast Transition
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everyone. Welcome back. It is the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser.
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I am back, I am alive, I promise I was not. I was never in one of those very, very bad situations that everybody else that got COVID at the beginning of the whole thing was in. I was totally fine, so no worries. Cool. And sorry for all yous that were hoping I would die, but in which case, I'm glad to disappoint you, so fuck you. Anyway, yeah, we got a fucking shit ton to roll through, so crack them. Just a little bit. Oh, yes, crack them.
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Been a minute since I had a beer because this month I've only had beers when we're doing this. Me too.
Listener Engagement and Patreon
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Find us on your favorite podcast. I've done a great review. Good Lord. Yeah. Trying to keep my head on straight for a little bit here. Plus I've been sick two out of the last four weeks. Right.
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Alcohol does not help that, unfortunately. It really doesn't. I wish it was the opposite, in which case I can drink it every day. Unless you're a red wine drinker, which I'm not. I'll have a glass now and again, but I'm not going to go seeking red wine by any means whatsoever. Not my forte.
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All right. Um, make sure that you buy our good friend, George, the, the fans, you wrote a coffee or beer because he's about to be very busy. Yeah. Um, if he, well, he was very busy this past weekend and he's got, we got a low, we all got a lull this week. Right. And then next week it's going to be fucking cranking it out, man. Well, we got to say for, for some of us, maybe, you know, maybe for some of us, it's a lull for others. We choose to, um,
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innovate during this week. So for those of you who are, and so this goes to our Patreon, which will come up later, but I might as well just do it now with all this. This week, I will be putting out on our Patreon expected points for each player who's starting.
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So you get to see what the averages of a couple of different metrics, their personal average, the oppositions average, their position over opposition average, all this and a couple of different things to average it out. And who knows if it's going to be accurate, but it's something based in data. That would be good. Yeah, just some new thing I'm going to try out. Yeah. So get our Patreon to find them. Yeah, make sure you do that.
Discrimination and Character Judgment
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No discrimination here on this podcast and there should be in sports or in life. Um, I, we don't need to go too deep into it, but just in general, I find, um, I find myself more and more annoyed with like the amount of people that are able to just be like skate by that probably should be just sold out. Like, you know, pay Jackson, like just given a pass and it's just, it's one of those things that's annoying me. And I thought about it more when we'll talk about fair on a minute.
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Um, when that came out, like it really does hurt the hell out of me. And the reason that we do things like this and the reason that you and I, you know, refer to people as pieces of shit instead of their actual name is because, you know, it's not as if we're talking about people that are genuinely good and made a mistake.
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you know, like, like, I can and I could give that like, I think we can all agree that somebody like PJ has not done anything to show remorse or apologize. And also much now it's been found out that he's actually very much a piece of garbage like has done blackface like
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Yeah. He is truly a walking trash can. I don't joke when I'm talking about that. He is truly just a stinky pile of garbage that just leaves a trail a mile long when he walks anywhere. Just blah. So yeah, while discrimination is not right, I'm sorry. If you're a piece of garbage, you don't get any fucking benefit of the doubt from me.
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I think there was someone out there who said judge people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin or other superficial qualities. I'll add that in there. Yeah, you act like a douchebag, you should get treated like a douchebag. Yeah, pretty much plain simple.
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If you're just a generic asshole, all right, fine. I don't wish poorly upon you. Yeah, but if you're truly an asshole and you pray on women and so on and so forth, yeah, fuck you, dude. I look forward to you falling into a hole and staying there. No joke, sorry. Right, and far away from Saracens. Please. Far the fuck away. Fuck's sake.
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Also, can we talk about the just that real quickly though? Oh, no, we'll get to let's move into that. That's actually part of that. Yeah. Yeah. And just quickly make sure that you grab our Patreon boom bus will be up this week as well. Hopefully everybody found the little sheet that did the last couple of weeks useful. I will reproduce it for a round of 16 when that comes around. So just up my eye. But yeah, keep your eyes peeled on the on the good stuff this week and grab our Patreon folks. It's a good thing. Promise.
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Yeah. So
Owen Farrell's Career Decisions
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let's, I mean, we don't often, we try to, we try and limit news talk on, you know, weeks of champions because it's so much to cover, but we'll do our best to just blow through as much as we can, as fast as we can, because it's, it means a lot to you and I, you know, it's, it's a lot, but yeah, fair Owen Farrell is leaving, uh, Saracens and gonna play for Rossing next season. And it's, that's beneficial, um, on both ends. So it's,
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I'm okay with it. I mean, I'm not happy about it. I'm not happy about it, no, but am I bitter at him? Fuck no. No, no, no, no. That's why I'm okay with it because it's like, yeah, it sucks for Saracens. They'll find someone else. I have no doubt about that. It fucking better not be Patty. Fuck that. This goes along to that don't be an asshole thing because Pharaoh was basically driven out because people are assholes.
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Yep. Then like, I don't know what it is about England in particular, that is just particularly brutal to its stars, star athletes.
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Wouldn't be a wouldn't be assholes like Neil Fisler would it be right and look I say this is that's the thing like the US is so much like the Like England like that because we do the same fucking thing over here. There's nobody more Popular in a in a football town than the backup quarterback Everybody hates the starter. It's all like but like yeah fucking Neil Fisler going up driven out by you know
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people with, you know, jealousy and an agenda. And it's like, dude, like people were roasting him for it. Like, oh, you mean like you and bringing him the receipts for shit he said about Farrell. And that's like, yeah, yeah, dude, you can't you're you're part of the problem.
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What are you judging others for? That's what I'm mad at. I'm like, obviously Saracens, it's a loss for Saracens, but ultimately this is because, you know, this is like that, you know, Barnsy and these other refs who are retiring, Piper, who I'm actually sad to see go now, because as much as he annoyed me, like six or seven years ago, the quality of refereeing has fallen to the point where he's one of the better ones.
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Yeah, right. That's the terrifying thing about that. He hasn't gotten better, but he's now one of the better ones. Yikes. You can't just, yeah, you drive away talent. There's no reason to be addicted to Owen Farrell except you want to be an ass. Some people are very good at that, unfortunately.
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Um, but so I want, I want, I do want to talk a lot more about Farrell himself because I want to make sure that we do, do him justice. But in terms of who's coming in for him, um, we're not going to adjust the Irishman at Leon right now. Fuck him. Um, the, the list from our, our, uh,
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that our friends dropped in there. Got some nice names, plus one to add. Garbisi, love it. Melissa O would love that. Reese Patchlight could care less about Pass. Carter Gordon, that would be awesome. Billy Burns, I'd be okay with. And then another name that was thrown out there was the New Castle Guy Johnson.
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Which I yeah, I like the idea. I like that idea probably actually the most because he's so young and it's a project. But, you know, I can live with the growing pains knowing that we're going to do right by that kid. So, right. Yeah. And then my second I really the second most realistic one on that list is garbage. And I'm very much in favor of that. Yeah, he'd be my favorite of that list. Yeah, definitely. That would be cool if they maybe did the one year to for a holdover and then went for Joe Simmons.
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Possibly. I'd be perfectly fine with that. That would be hilarious and great. Piss more people off down in Devon. Right, then replace Billy with Sam.
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God, we can just get rid of Billy anyway. Of course, right. You can go to any place you want. Just not with series. I'm sorry. Right. I'm very over you. If we weren't in the the current conditions that we are in as far as, you know, having pregnant wives, I would absolutely volunteer to fly over there to pack his bags and drive. Yeah, right. I'll help. Yeah, I will help. Bye. Definitely. No.
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But yeah, the feral, I mean, and that's not being like, I think he's just not good anymore. Like I recognize what great he was. It was awesome. It's just having him out there. It's just everything knocks on the slightest contact and shit. No, it's not not what certainly not what he anything resembling what he used to be. And I think I don't think he would argue that too hard.
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No. Um, but on Farrell, we'll get, we'll get out, we'll get off this. That's all right. We all know that the best way to replace him would be boating Waka. Uh, fortunately we're all ready for that conversation. Forget to go old, old Kiwi. I'd rather have Patras than him actually. Yeah. Okay. Fine. Yeah. But Patras is there for whatever. Yeah. Um, anyway, but yeah, on Farrell, like,
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I can't tell you how much I've appreciated watching Farrell for length of the time that I've been a Saracen fan, which is a lot, which I saw. I remember when he was a pup and he won that first final, like I trust me. And it sounds crazy that I've been around the block that long for, um, being over, having been over here and watching less than legal feeds. But it's with that, it was, yeah, it's, it's actually really weird to think about like not seeing him play fly off.
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Yeah, for Saracen's like it is going to be weird because they've never had a really other one, right? Like, I mean, Hodge, they had Charlie for a little bit. Hodge. Yeah. And that was it. Yeah. Really, like there is no one else besides Farrell. And, you know, right. If.
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Everybody's like, well, it'll be a case for best for Saracen's legend. I'm I'm pretty sure he's going down as the best tend to ever play for Saracen's. I don't know who else is replacing him. Right. Whoever it is, we don't know their names right now. No, you don't know who they are right now. Nobody knows them except maybe they're their their mom and dad. Yeah. Mom and dad bought it. Yeah. But yeah, that's his shirt. Like even when it's a manu and good and whoever they would put in there.
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It's like, that's, that's Farrell's shirt. You're not, you're, you're, you're borrowing it for a little bit. Keeping it warm. Right. That's it. That seed is warm and that's all you need to put someone out there with a one and a zero on their back. So, but I guess they don't have to do technically. Yeah. I can just put a blank kid up there. I didn't make it like a 24 or something. Yeah. I, yeah. I,
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could go on and on about how much I appreciate on trail. Yes, sometimes he's had a complete knuckleheaded moments and we know that and it's not acknowledge that is never once is stupid. And you know, he's and he still had some moments outside of the knucklehead and it's just like, can you put the goddamn boot away like this weekend, which we'll talk about. But overall, in the grand scheme of things like
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Yeah. You know, if, if, if it wasn't bare on the field, it was, it was fair, right? You know, for the longest time too. And yeah, you think about guys that came out of the woodwork when Garza retired. I'm, I'm sure the guys that come out of the woodwork for Pharaoh and he went in his last game or his last game in the, in the prem final. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's going to be pretty awesome. So yeah. And I hope my really, I do have a.
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slight hope that he does do like the sexton thing where he goes to rossing for a year or two i think it was two um and then comes back i mean they might just be a yeah it might be a head clearing thing so yeah i don't believe him i mean he's gotta he's gotta figure out what what's valuable to him he's gotta figure out how he wants to play he's gotta figure out
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a lot of things because the noise that surrounds you as both England captain and captain of this particular club for many reasons can get you kind of lost. Even the best can get lost in that. Don't think of him as weak or soft. God, even the best can get lost.
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No, I don't think anybody- Distracted in that. Yeah, no, I don't think anybody considers them soft. Certainly, and I think from what I can tell, I mean, like we said, even Fisler says, yeah, I understand the move because he had to leave because of assholes like me. They get it, and I bet when he comes back, wherever he, if he comes back to Saris, which I would obviously hope,
00:14:53
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But if he comes back to play in the prem again, I'm sure they will give him all the love that they never did the first time.
00:15:03
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Okay, we yeah, we appreciate you especially that he won't be the England 10 I think there's again there's pressures and Negativity that comes along with having that let me look at Marcus Smith as amazing as he is whatever he plays at any level Yeah, he has his days that he's off, but so does every player so But it's just he just gets eaten alive and that's like to me
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You know, if I was England fans, I'd maybe take a step back on that and be like, look, before we fuck with Marcus and all these other tens that are maybe coming up thin to maybe just take a step back and fucking chill out to drive more people away. No, no. The the the cap is one thing that's already driving guys away. And, you know, Pharaoh's earned his right to go make whatever coin he sees fit right now. However, he sees fit perfectly fine with it.
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I think anyway that says otherwise is stupid and is not reading the room well. Yeah. But the other thing, yeah, is the is just the pressures that come with it. And it's not and it's not just England fans, let's be honest. You know, we have we have fans from all over the universe that want England to do badly because that's kind of tradition.
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But I think there's still a point where we know there's always a point where it goes over the line. And the target is almost always one to England 10 or two to England captain. In this case, he's both over a bit. So that's just doubles it down. So that's hard. That's hard. So, yeah, no hard feelings. And, you know, hey, let's let's up the game a little bit for the rest of the season. Let's walk away with some silverware. I don't care which one it is. Let's walk away with some fucking silverware. OK, please.
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Cool. All right. So
Saracens' Challenges and Critique
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let's go to, we're gonna go to the PWR game of the week first. Also featuring Saracens, but not a good Saracens team, unfortunately. No, and a very good opponent. Yeah. I don't think, I think that's unfair. I don't think the Saracens played that badly, I think. No, no, no, no. You can see the issues with ball security. That was the biggest issue that I could see was just ball security at ruck time and not, you know, not cherishing the ball enough.
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you know, it's okay to chuck the ball around. But if you're not going to put it into security hands when you go to deck, which happened a lot, like that ball was all over the place on the deck sometimes. So yeah, that to me was kind of the thing. And then I love Georgia Evans. And she's great. But she is not Sophie de goodie. No, that's, that's, that's, that's a sheet. That's a cheat code and a good player. There's a difference.
00:17:37
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Solid player, cheat code, I can tell you which one I want. It's not hard. Yeah, Cleo getting the yellow was not awesome either. No, not desirable. But yeah, and that's the other thing is a little too many penalties. I mean, you don't give up a hat trick to the hooker if you're not giving up penalties in key areas and letting them kick to corner.
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I mean, it was 16 a piece. So if you could dumb down a few of them, you probably can win the match. Right. Which is wild to think about. That's yeah. I didn't realize that that glosser gave up 16. That's crazy. I wish I was more obviously more paying attention to Cyrus penalties. I mean, as, as you do, as you do. Try and tend to your own side of the fence sometimes. Right. Um, yeah.
00:18:29
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That Emma Singh try was pure filth. I was like, that's game. That's not awesome, but that's game. Oh, man. Yeah, she's good. I'm glad she got her call. That was the right move on that one, for sure.
00:18:45
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Also, but I have it's just pretty easy. Kelsey Jones is in like my all best smile rugby team. And I'm not sure, you know, like I know Joel Mattivacy is in there. Yeah. Sarah Byrne is in there. Like I don't have to sort out who else might be. Finn Russell is probably. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. But yeah, Kelsey, like that's the problem. I see like she.
00:19:08
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dots it down and then has the biggest like awesome smile. I'm just like, I can't be mad at her. God damn it. It's disarming. Yeah. So there's two players that I found that I think need to just be noted. One was obviously Mo Hunt. Like she is amazing. She's back in the England team. She's got a central contract for a reason. You know, the buzz that she just moves about with and it's like the ball is coming out almost as soon as she gets there and
00:19:36
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She knows where she's going with it. And that's why she's probably going to be England's nine. So shock of the day, but you could see it. Like you could see the rhythm of the attack when she was, when she was there. So it was like, I guess this one's going to be a tough one. Sure enough. Um, and a special shout to Amelia McDougall, but, um, I think the Saracens biggest fall was only letting page fairies and just breach touch the ball nine times combined. Right.
00:20:04
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They were doing damage every time they got it. Or Carrie. I should say Carrie. They probably touched it more than that. But you know what I mean? Yeah, they really use it was fairies was one of the few things if you one of the best things that nobody knew about because she was playing a Worcester. And now she's here and she's scoring tries for fun. But yeah, they just couldn't get it. And honestly, it's not that I don't like Bridger Gregson, but I blame I blame them, honestly.
00:20:30
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You know, I'm not going to put this type of thing on Amelia McDougall, who's what, 18, 19 years old. Right. No, she was getting the ball to where it needed to like the first step to where it needed to go. And then, yeah, Gregson and I mean, Gregson herself had a pretty had some strong runs. She's not someone I don't want to give the ball to. But we got to work with her on the being more like Ollie Lawrence, where
00:20:53
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Get the run that you get and then pop it off to. Yeah. Or page fairies or just breach for the try. Like we got to get to that point beyond just the tunnel vision. Once you get the ball run until you tackle.
00:21:07
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That's got to be the next step for Sydney and Sophie. And I say that it's like, that's a problem with USA Rugby. That's one of the biggest problems is not trusting the person outside because you're just, you know, for your club, you're just, I'm going to do it. And at this point, you know, this is like an all-star team for the salaries and what I'm talking about here. It's like you do your job and then let somebody else finish if yours doesn't finish in a try and we'll get there.
00:21:36
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Slow. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Let's go around for, um, we'll spend some time on some and we'll last time on others. Yeah. Class going too long. Um, it happened.
Match Highlights and Player Performances
00:21:49
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Yeah. I mean, it was a, it was a B team for too long. That was, that, that much is pretty much given and the class did the job that needed to, you know, they didn't need to do anything wild and crazy, but they did the job that needed to, um,
00:22:02
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Yeah, Kyle Stane, Kyle Rowe, both very good on the weekend. On the weekend, Hugh Jones, he's looking a lot better than, you know, he had in a couple of previous games, although one wasn't so bad, but a couple others were meh. Kyle, meh.
00:22:17
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Yeah, but they didn't they had nothing to play for. No, there's nothing they had nothing. I mean, and who really honestly, sorry for those that are going to it, but like, who really wants to go to the challenge? Right. Are you really playing for that? No, not really. It's like a bitter pill. Like, OK, we can still play from hardware, but that's not that's not the dance they came to.
00:22:40
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or the ball they came to dance in. No, no, no, no. You go from the chandelier big ballroom to the high school gymnasium. Pretty much. Where's the drinks? They're in the back in the bathroom, dude. Yeah. Sorry. No drinks, no drinks. Nope.
00:23:05
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So yeah, let's go confirm they're placed in the 16 and very easy fashion. Another team that could have done it, and this is probably more worth talking about for a lot of reasons, Connick and Bristol. Bristol just absolutely laid a fucking egg. Yeah, I would be so annoyed if I was Pat Lamb.
00:23:24
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Yeah, I mean, what the fuck are they? Because like last week, they roll up to sale, not last week, what, two weeks ago? Two weeks ago. And do all sorts of damage there. And then, it's like, I mean, and this is a, if they're playing the way they, I mean, it's okay last, yeah, then they lost to the bulls away. And maybe the travel back- Lost to the bulls at home, that was bad.
00:23:51
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Oh, I'm sorry. That's what it was. I'm sorry. I flipped it. I've been watching too much football. First problem. Yeah. Yeah, playing away either way, then it kind of is.
00:24:04
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is tough anyway. They're much better at National Gate. He and he and McGinty are very familiar with this territory along with Marion. True. They had enough knowledge about what this place is like, although Grant kind of hasn't had the plastic pitch for very long. But still they knew the weather patterns and stuff like that and what it brought. So it is still very disappointing with the way they turned out. I can't say that they really showed up.
00:24:34
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No, most people would agree. I mean, they had up, they got, they scored off a penalty try. That was the only time, you know, they got a penalty, but that was the end of the game. That was, yeah, that was literally the end of the game. Like, yeah. And of course it's Joe Joyce who got the yellow, like fantastic. Why me, man? What'd I do? Yeah. You won the game. Shut up. Like this is your old club. Now, I mean,
00:25:02
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Crystal should be better than they are. I don't know what else to say. They've got so much talent there. And I got to say, I'm kind of disappointed in Maylands in a way because at some point, don't you show that you're like, there should have been a, I thought, I was pegging this as a, this could be Max Maylands being like, I'm fucking furious that I didn't make the England squad and I'm going to prove them wrong. And he proved them.
00:25:32
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Yeah, unfortunately, you didn't prove him the way he probably wanted. Right. Yeah, it's a lot of. Here's the thing. I don't think this is a bad team. I don't think that they're together on this whole thing. Not at all. That's the problem. Like I you look at one through 15 on this team and then a few of the subs on top of it.
00:25:59
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Most people would be very jealous. If it's Harding and Bradbury, awesome. Lewittu is a great leader. Grant, he's not the, he's not their starter. Four and five is probably the one spot that you could say, we'll talk about Caulfield in a second. There was that too. The Hooker Stable at Bristol is well known. Sinclair,
00:26:17
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You know, Randall is a lot of people's favorite. AJ is solid. He's not going to do you any bad. He does not. He may not win you a ton of games, but he's not going to do you any bad usually. No. That center pairing is dynamite.
00:26:31
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Couple it with Revovo who can play in the center, but plays on the wing as well. Maylands, Lane who did not play this game, O'Connor who has had moments. They're not with each other. I almost want to say, and it's really terrible to say, I almost want to say it's a lack of belief within each other.
00:26:54
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They don't necessarily believe that the other person's going to do their job sometimes. Whether they try and go do the other person's job is not necessarily the fact, but they're hesitant to be confident with that. They're hesitating to get their job done because they're worried about somebody else getting the other job done. It just becomes a huge domino effect.
00:27:17
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It's one of those things that happens on losing teams and everybody starts focusing on I need to play my best like put my tape out there or make it look good for the coaches or they keep playing me and It becomes about each other that rather than a truck, you know, like you're saying trust each other play play the system and I think Yeah, lamb needs to do something different
00:27:39
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Yep. Yep. Agreed. Agreed. Loosen them up. Let them run. No. Let's not take it away from Connick. They played very, very well. And Bundy was everywhere. Yeah. They had a lot of guys that really stepped up and played huge roles in this win. So they didn't go out with a doughnut on the board, which is always annoying as hell. And Josh Caulfield had his red rescinded today. I did see that. And people are pissed about it. But look,
00:28:05
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That wasn't intentional. First off, I remember one of my first ever practices, I got told, look, when you make a tackle, if you can't get out of the way, protect your head. People are coming through, and they got to get somewhere, and you're in the way.
00:28:23
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Caulfield was also getting kicked in the face. We'll get to another one where the player was actively looking at what he was doing in his foul play. This to me was like a yellow because of the mitigation of him getting kicked in the face and not meaning to do it.
00:28:40
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And also, yeah, you're in the way. Roll away. This is why they tell you to do that. It's not just for your safety too. I'm not blaming him. I don't think it's anybody's fault, which is why I don't think it's a red.
00:28:56
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No. And, you know, you look at Coffield, he's a little bit of a klutz too, honest, if we're honest. Yes, he's a professional athlete. And yes, he can probably keep his feet better than most can. But really, in the grand scheme of things like, you know, second row to across the board, bit of a bumbling moron sometimes in terms of his movement, and still his personality or who he is, but just like, kind of doo doo doo doo doo derpy derp out there.
00:29:19
Speaker
So the fact that he stumbled and did what he said, I was actually not shocked that it happened. I was just more like, huh, I'm not sure it's a red, but OK. Right. I mean, it was I call it as I as I've been calling it all weekend. It was a French red. That's what it was. It was so good. It was over here. We're set red. Yeah, I do. I do want to talk about officials at the end, though. Oh, I got things. I got things to say. Quinn's all Quinn's Ulster. Yeah. Luleana.
00:29:50
Speaker
Hello? How is he not in a squad? Oh man. He...
00:29:54
Speaker
Who was he? Was that Billy Burns? Yeah, it was, because Burns made the guy kick that went to either Care or Marcus. I think it was Marcus. And then Marcus tapped it and fed it to line it and punished him on the way through. I was like, oh, boy, you're not going to want to watch that tape. I can probably see that straight. That's when we're like, nobody, like everybody just is like, oh, everyone's laughing except for him. Except for him in the room. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
00:30:25
Speaker
Nothing personal, big guy, but damn, you were the speed bump. You were a speed bump. No question. Um, yeah, Quinn's look great. And they, they actually ended up securing themselves a home, a home semi home 60 round 16 game. Uh, yeah, good on them. I thought this was a.
00:30:43
Speaker
good performance. I'm not sure I love you and I talked about this during the game. I think Beard and Joseph needed to be switched. Like Joseph's not a wing. No. Beard's probably not the center. I know he's a fairly large unit, but I just haven't seen him do anything with that 13 shirt. And we've certainly seen, well, Joseph do more with that 13 shirt.
00:31:02
Speaker
Yeah, just my thoughts on that. My better solution is Will Joseph at 13 in Louis Lina at 11, but that's. Right, yeah, yeah. I agree. Although I'd also like Anyanwu, and I wish he'd gotten a little bit more playing time. Yeah. He got in the very last minute, but he was excellent. I mean, we saw him in person too. Certainly one I want to see more of. Yeah. Archie White, shut up. He's dangerous. He's dangerous.
00:31:33
Speaker
Oh, shut up. Exactly. You asshole. How dare you. Another guy that was on the other side. What was it from my big tech regretting, we're going to kill you. Exactly. Guy on the losing side.
00:31:54
Speaker
I don't know. Um, you think Andy Farrell likes what he saw Nick Timoni over the last few weeks? Well, a little bit, probably a little bit better than he likes. We saw from, uh, Bella Kuhn in this one. Um, yeah. Well, kind of like couldn't get out of his own way. I was like, Oh no, you totally balled that you're done. Bye. That's your game. Stocktail had a couple of funny ones too. I was like, Oh boy, that ball's not going your way guys.
00:32:18
Speaker
Yeah, Timony was great. I'm a little disappointed in Ian Henderson. It was one of those. I think I saw him at the end make like take a run and I was like, oh yeah, Ian Henderson is playing and I'm like, fuck, dude, like, where have you been? Yeah, this is not a good representation of Ulster rugby, I don't think. No, and I think most of them would agree with that. Even Lowry was not like he had. I
Team Critiques and Tactical Errors
00:32:40
Speaker
think he had a moment or two, but nothing.
00:32:43
Speaker
Yeah, he was a ghost as well. These are guys who are like, and, you know, this is the time to start putting your hand up for international squads, even if you don't make the Six Nations, because you want to stay in the mix to be available for the next one. And guys like Balacoon and Lowry can't like you can't afford to miss out on sticking it to Harlequin's if you can do putting some some good tape out there. And I don't think either. I think Lowry had a couple highlights, but
00:33:12
Speaker
By and large, not enough. And I think he had a couple negatives, so. Yeah. Yeah. No good. No good. Yeah. And also, don't forget this. He was like the one guy. He was like the only guy playing out there really hard. I know. I know. People said he didn't earn his score. I'm pretty sure he did. No, he did. Yeah, 100. I think he had 100 meters, honestly. Yeah. He was everywhere.
00:33:40
Speaker
Yeah, and also you don't you don't you don't forget like guys get hurt in Six Nations too. So right, you know, stay ready. Right. Stay ready because you don't want to get ready. You want to stay ready. But they're not really putting their name out there. No, not really hopeful down to.
00:33:56
Speaker
Uh, South Africa and Loftus Roosevelt and a surprise squeaky long time. But this game became relevant when William Roos scored. Like, nevermind. This game doesn't count anymore. No longer counts. Done. Game over. Move on. Did he score two? No, he didn't. Okay. So motherfucker, did he score two? Yeah, no, just a little shit. Cozia had two. He was, yeah, Cozia was a monster. He was a beast. I was like, Oh, that's not fair. Damn it.
00:34:24
Speaker
Another guy to fucking worry about that's a back rower from South Africa. Fucking hell. Yeah. I had forgotten fantasy-wise about Cameron Henecombe.
00:34:34
Speaker
And uh, he ends up getting pulled like right after half. So yeah, I was actually surprised. That was shocking. He's a baby. Like, why do you need to pull him? He don't need rest. Keep going. Yeah. Yeah. Not only that, but like, yeah, this is a good squad for him to kick, to get, you know, some more experience against. Absolutely. You know, not that, that,
00:34:57
Speaker
Zach Holmes starting at 10 is I mean, you know, no, but exactly the top side that that, you know, from from Bordeaux. No, no, agreed. But but they played. I mean, they're there. Yeah. Yeah, they're going to be there. Yeah, this not looking forward to that whole thing.
00:35:23
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, really in the end, it's the two Vanderbilt penalties that make the difference. So, you know, get on the bolts for making those calls. And they did. I mean, it was smart to knock the one over that made a six point games, three point games. So that's kind of a no brainer. It's like, yeah, let's make this a try so that they have to come all the way down and score and not just like get to halfway and boot one long. Yeah. That's, that's not something you want to lose on. That sucks. No, I don't know a thing or two about that.
00:35:51
Speaker
cello cello lester and lester i mean you know this is one of the games where they stood out but i'm not going to but we're not going to get into it because i really want to just talk about afterwards but PRD was just awful awful
00:36:07
Speaker
Very bad. But if we're honest, Lester, it was very good. Was it Jack? Wait, who was it? Was it this one or the Jack Conan? Was he the one who got yellowed when he like tripped over someone who hadn't rolled away? I think so. Is that the rock penalty? And yeah, I was like, because he wasn't rapping, he's like he still he wasn't rapping. So it's like, no, that wasn't that one. It was.
00:36:32
Speaker
Yeah, I'm trying to think it wasn't that one. OK, I thought that's what I thought it was. Maybe that's what it was. Maybe that's what it was. No, no, no, it wasn't that because it was somebody else that had to get talked into it. And I don't remember who it was, but it wasn't PRT. OK, we'll get there. We'll sort it out when we get there. It was Brace. Oh, it was Brace. It was Brace that needed to be talked into that. Yeah, OK. So we'll get there. Sorry. We'll get there. Sorry. Too early. That was another one. No, you're on the right track just for a different game. Yeah. But that did happen. Did happen. Yeah.
00:37:04
Speaker
Lester scored 10 and then they never scored again. It doesn't speak well, if we're honest. No. And it was Leibenberg. I like Leibenberg. Don't get me wrong. I mean, this team, look at who's out there though. Who is your tri-scorer? It should be Assel Collins. It should be Visa.
00:37:24
Speaker
Yeah, that's kind of disappointing in a lot of ways, you know, who's who else is your runner? I mean, that's the thing Liebenberg was had to put in that position. I like Rafael, but I mean, he got hurt and but he's also he's like a
00:37:37
Speaker
Uh, the Curry brother type where he's really good defensively and poaching. But once you give him the ball, it's kind of, we, who the hell knows what's going to happen, but it's not going to be your guess is good as mine. Yeah. Um, they just think they need some more oomph in that attack and they need Hassel Collins to start showing the fuck out. He's another one who, yeah, you didn't get picked for, for internationals and show that you deserve it. Do something about it, man. Right. You know, as I say, do something about it. Yeah.
00:38:10
Speaker
I don't. I don't know if it says anything about the fact that Whiteley started this game and not Young's. But it needs to be at least observed. Yeah. I mean, I think. Yeah. I think that they realize that they need some sort of spark, especially with this lineup, you need somebody who's who's going to prime the motor. It's obviously never going to be Young's anymore.
00:38:39
Speaker
He's just a little he's a little slower and knows that he slows the game down for them. And you're not going to win. You know, against Leinster. If you're you're going slow ball, if you let them get set on defense, you know, no. Just looking at some of the stats from. Ultimate here, nine, nine to one turnovers, one.
00:39:07
Speaker
So once they're at turn the ball over nine times in their favor to Lester's one. So that's probably the best. That's Rafael coming off early now. Who's your, who's your poacher? That's true. Thought hadn't thought about that in my brain yet, but yeah, there's nobody, that's the problem. You don't have a moody attack and you don't have anybody to, you have a bunch of tacklers. Yeah. And pluggers.
00:39:34
Speaker
that's not not this not this comp and not even the prem anymore like they're there i don't know i don't know how
00:39:43
Speaker
Lester has regressed this much so quickly. Um, but they really, there, there's no, there's no attacking, there's very little attacking intent on this one. I mean, that's not going to be helpful. I'll give him a killer. It was still a pass. You know, it's going to be a little bit before he's got everything in place. He wants maybe players in the team that he doesn't want in the club, in which case he's got to wait for them to either leave or he's got to, you know, find a reason for them to leave one on the other. Um,
00:40:10
Speaker
And he's obviously still trying to bring players in that he would like to play. So, yeah, there's problems there. Not many problems over in Leinster though. They're looking... They're looking great, yeah. Yeah. Ross and Cardiff, it happened. It did. Ross and Qualified. And, you know, Cardiff did some fun things, but they did it with already a lot of points on the board for Ross. Hey, look, the garbage time, have fun in garbage time, why not?
00:40:38
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, the hell are you going to do, right? It's better than not having any fun at all. No. Um, I dare say, can we, can we guess should be there? The number eight for Rossing permanently. I don't know if he is usually their first choice, but fuck. He looked pretty good this weekend. Do you want him? And it was kind of, it was cool to see Christian Wade again. Haven't, haven't seen him in a bit. Um, not since he went, uh, over here. Um,
00:41:06
Speaker
I don't know. Did he play? Did he play in the Champions Cup last year? Yeah, he did. OK, but not like this. No, this was this was fun to watch. Yeah, I haven't seen him for a bit to sit. This is like, oh, hi, Christian Wade. Like, I remember you. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, there's a lot of that this weekend. Yeah. There you are. This guy. I remember that guy. Yeah. Let's go over to Tomin.
00:41:33
Speaker
Munster and Northampton had to win this to keep themselves You know with hopes of a top four the number one, you know finishing the pool so on so forth only good things happen when you do that so they really obviously really wanted to and Well, it took someone on their team being a complete fucking dumbass to kind of wake them up, right? Yeah for a bank had to go off
00:41:57
Speaker
Um, for them to be like, no, no, even after that, what's even after that? Oh, what happened after that? Langdon. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, they, they can see you to try with, with two in the bin. So shock her the day. That's weird. It's not sure the Langdon. I'm sorry. I just was looking at it because the Langdon yellow is not showing up on the. Well, it's because it's a red. Oh, it's not. Well, I'm sorry. The Langdon red is not showing up on the match report.
00:42:26
Speaker
Uh, no, it's not, but it's on the live commentary. Okay. So the, yeah, it's threw me off. I think in terms of like,
00:42:39
Speaker
Anyway, that's comparing Caulfield and Langdon, right? I, you know, Caulfield totally just kind of bumbling, kind of screwed, just like, didn't realize feet too big for his own good. Like, really, that's what it came down to. Literally just wrong. This was a Langdon, like,
00:42:58
Speaker
Anybody that says, oh, he's just trying to push through. I'm like, no, no, no, no. He's clearly done pushing at that point. I think we were saying that at first. We were like, what the hell? What are they looking at? That was an accidental. That was probably the worst angle that they showed too. Yeah.
00:43:14
Speaker
never mind yeah it's like i will retract my statement and she would immediate read that's no he's looking right at him yeah and there's no reason there's no reason for him to move his right right leg at all just hold your position the buck as well whatever knee it was yeah it doesn't matter it was yeah it was right because it was the left knee that was the first contact knee contacted on the way down accidentally and then he was looking at him and brought his right knee up into him and it's like
00:43:41
Speaker
At that point, what the hell is wrong with you? Yeah, that's, uh, do that. That's one of those, you know, we've been sad, having nice things to say about Langdon recently. That's one of those like, okay, this bear is watching cause that was fucked up. Yeah. Like, come on, dude. You got to know. And yeah, there's too many eyes around to fucking do that. Like I had no reason. I had no reason to suspect any, any funny business from Curtis Langdon until, until now. Yeah. That's kind of messed up. I was like, I don't know how long, how long has it been?
00:44:11
Speaker
I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't know that I saw it. I will look right now, but otherwise, I mean, otherwise it was a wonderful match to watch. Oh, I don't know that it's. It's staring the barrel of the three weeks. Well, that's two. Yeah, I don't know that there's any. I don't know that it's actually going to get out of here. I don't think it's going to three weeks. I need to look at a little longer for that. Yeah.
00:44:41
Speaker
Should be, it should be a month minimum. Right. And he was hospitalized, damn. Yeah, no. Yeah. So no, there's no, it hasn't come out yet, but it should be significant. Yep. Well, Munster played a very good game and we saw a lot of great things out of them. Even before that happened, like the first try was very, very good. Like that was a fucking awesome bitter, bitter rugby right there.
00:45:09
Speaker
we saw in that second half, Finn Smith just grow up and become a very, very good tan if he wasn't already like, right? own that game and just decided, guys, don't worry. Just hop here, like right on my shoulders and just Yep, you there, everybody, everybody good. All right, let's go. Just take everybody on his back and away away you went. Like, that's like, I cried with the kid. At this point,
00:45:33
Speaker
Especially because look, if Ford is on the next Six Nations team, I'm sorry, the next World Cup team, it's going to be as like the Elder Statesman. You know, we know it's going to be Marcus and probably Finn as the top two, unless somebody else rears their head and then maybe no Ford. To me, for the Six Nations, it's time to throw these kids out there. I want to see Marcus and Finn playing. And Ford, you're there to be the camp body and to be a little bit of a guiding voice in the
00:46:03
Speaker
in the dressing room. But other than that, we need these kids playing internationally now because they're like Finn's ready. What more does he need to show at this point to be like, no, he's ready for the next challenge. So I really hope we see more. This is another one, putting hands up versus not Finn. Yeah, putting multiple hands up and whatnot. Obviously, so was Alex Mitchell. Damn, this is a good squad.
00:46:33
Speaker
Yeah, great, great bit of play. And while he didn't do every anything flashy, um, I'm perfectly okay with the man of match being Courtney laws. Cause the, the work he did in, in that line art, especially whether it was organizing it for himself or organizing it for his teammates, like one winning, winning them and making life easy on Robbie Smith. Cause that's not a fun position to come in for Robbie Smith. Um, but to making life very, very hard on monster. Mm-hmm.
00:47:00
Speaker
Loads and loads of credit got him. And for months, they're like, I have to ask, why'd you pull a money? Yeah, I don't know. He was a terror. I don't know. I don't know. Like, why did you do that? Like, that dude is going to lead you on in this game where you do you want, you know, even a shot at a home tie? I guess not, because that's why you pulled him early. Like, right. Yeah. Unless you're really saying he's completely out of gas, which you never say that. So same for me for an ankle.
00:47:31
Speaker
Yeah, same thing. Yep, agreed. He was a problem as he always is. I thought Northampton played him well, but he was still causing problems.
00:47:48
Speaker
I mean, Freesh obviously is also very good. Yeah. He was great. He was obviously the tribe was very good. So yeah. Yeah. I don't. But I mean, I guess what I'm saying is I would have looked elsewhere. Like, um, yeah, Nash, I don't, I don't recall Shane Daly making that much of an impact.
Saracens' Comeback and Player Praise
00:48:03
Speaker
That was the first name I was thinking too.
00:48:07
Speaker
That was the first thing they wanted to get properly and Crowley on right at the same time. But yeah, if you're looking at one of your centers, it's got to be Nikeville that stays on the field. Right. I like for each and all. But yeah, but either way, I would rather would have moved free shot because fresh can pop out to wing. He made a couple of appearance there for the Bears a couple of times like he can do it in a pinch. Yeah, I would have gone in that direction. Yeah.
00:48:32
Speaker
Um, start in stores. Um, okay. Start China woke up and actually looked like a team that was going to play rugby. And then they didn't. And the stormers remembered how to play rugby. That was helpful. That's a good stormer squad. Manny Libach is becoming, um, he's, he's, he's working his way towards where they need him to be. Yep.
00:48:58
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's scary. Club wise, he's, he's been pretty good for the last two years, but like they just need him to become that next level of international class level. And he wasn't that this past, no, kind of was this past, this past World Cup. I won't take that completely away from him, but
00:49:18
Speaker
Yeah. There's so much more that you can offer. I believe in just, he needs to, he needs to have it instilled in him that he can actually fucking do the damn job. Like, come on, dude. Somebody's got to tell him like, dude, get your ass in gear. You're doing better than I think it's happened. Anyway. Yeah. It's it, it, even though Stad were in this, it never felt like they were going to get the job done. I will say that. No, it really didn't. It felt pretty, pretty settled.
00:49:49
Speaker
Yeah, like the Stormers team was going to eventually figure out, oh yeah, we're the better team here and we're just going to, we're going to do our thing and we'll win. And they did, but like never really felt like even though Stodd were in front, like yes, Stormers had to wake themselves up and fucking slap themselves in the face a little bit. I feel like Stodd were almost like,
00:50:08
Speaker
When they're, it was almost like, right. When are they going to, when are they going to beat us? When is that? When is this happening? What's your problem exactly here? Yeah. And then it did. Yeah. Especially with the double yellows. That was it. That was, you know, there was no, yeah, there it goes. Yeah. And the damn breaks. Um, let's go to the Stonex.
00:50:35
Speaker
Second half of the stone X. Let's go to that. Yeah, right. We don't have to talk about the first half. That was correct. And really, like, well, all the things we'll talk about about the second second half are observations about what didn't happen in the first half. Right. You know, like number one.
00:50:52
Speaker
There are versions of players that I saw on Saturday that I don't know where the fuck they've been, quite honestly. Alex Goode, Marwa Toge, being the first two that come to mind, like, where the fuck has this version of those two been? Like, holy shit. And then, as I texted to you the other day, like, there's two players that should never leave the Saracens lineup if they can ever help it, and that's Lucio Sinti and
00:51:20
Speaker
Walmart Jenkins, I was like, Holy shit, were they, they're just another level and you can see the way they play is, is that next level. And, you know, they, they won, they backed themselves completely in a hundred percent. Like, you know, Sinti is like, yeah, I'm going to score this damn thing. And sometimes that's stupid stuff, but you want that in a way. So.
00:51:40
Speaker
You got to give them, you got to give them that. And then. That's his job. Like, ultimately, yeah. Like, yeah, you want to. Don't develop the rest of it. But right now, just run and score. Gonzalez just has the confidence like the behind the back offload. Like, I was like, that's naughty. Behave, sir. You behave over there. Stop that. I mean, that's it. It got better when when Toby Knight came on to.
00:52:05
Speaker
for Bill. Toby actually looked like what we're used to seeing from Billy, maybe not the old school Billy, but the last couple of years where he's been just a nice
00:52:21
Speaker
Uh, you know, nice battering Ram. You know, he won't give you too much more than that. And, and, but the, now he's knocking chin on. And then anything you did a couple times this game too, it was just like, stop giving him the ball. It's not going well. It's he's a, um, yeah. Cause even one time he was back for like for a kick. I'm like, what the fuck is he doing there? You have gonzo, you got Earl. Like those two should be back there. Anybody but him, please. Right. He's like the last person. Anybody but him.
00:52:44
Speaker
Yeah, put Theo Dan back there for like, yeah, right. Don't let Billy back there. No, and it was right. I think it was after he'd already knocked on on like, go away. No, no, no. Yeah, that's not you anymore. Get someone else to do that. No.
00:52:58
Speaker
But yeah, Gonzo and Earl, that's going to be such a fun combination for a couple of years. A long time, yeah. Hopefully they stick around. Hopefully both. I mean, Earl's a little bit younger. Right. Oh, I'm talking about the back to the pumas. Yeah. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see if that happens. Nice to see Oliver Hoskins, too. I love the guy. And we need him healthy.
00:53:27
Speaker
Definitely. There's a lot of guys that could get healthy. That'll be very helpful going forward here for Leon. Obviously we want to give our tip a cap to our old friend, Joe, who made our life hell. Thank you very much. Sure. You can go back to Leon and not do that ever again. Right. He ate a toji's lunch first half. Yeah. He was winning the game first. Like he was man. If it was like, if they had a man of the match for first half, it would have been kapoku. Um, my only problem with that is finish the job.
00:53:55
Speaker
Yep. He was a ghost second half. Yeah, he disappeared for sure. It's like, oh, well, that's why you're not at Sarri's anymore to be like, I'm not. Like, that's just one I realize, but that's it. Like, if he if he could have that first half and continue it on, like, yeah, he'd be Nick Ezekiel right now, but he's right. Right. Right. Also, Niniashvili, you had a great fucking match. What are you doing?
00:54:23
Speaker
Yeah. Like, and I was, I was just thinking like suit, like you talk about, we talk about Jekyll and high players all the time. Like that was the epitome of it. Like wonderful play. One minute complete boneheadedness, like two or three other times in the game, like try and calm down the boneheadedness. And you might actually be a world-class player because the other things you did were exactly that they were world-class, but, you know, and I don't think I don't fucking.
00:54:48
Speaker
Ding Dong and I had this Sam Grove white had no idea what the fuck he was doing. We'll talk about, like I said, we'll talk about referees at the end. Um, I don't think he exactly got it right saying that Nini Ashvili was the one that ran in at the, after that try, but he didn't run in, but he did restart it. Let's be, let's be fair. Like he did get in there and you know, everybody was about to just kind of be like, no, no, no. And he came in and just decide, no, let's restart this fire. It's like, Oh, come on, dude. Like God damn match sticks away. What's wrong with you? Right.
00:55:17
Speaker
Well, there's meters and you know, but and though this I will say this second half by Saris is why we get so frustrated with them. Mm hmm. And matches like last week, because it's like you could choose to play this way that, you know, maybe you put away the feral charge downs way too many like four. Yeah. And two on one play, if I'm not mistaken, like, you know, which led to one of the tries like, dude, come on, like at this point,
00:55:47
Speaker
Everybody knows if you take more than two steps with the ball, you're probably going to charge the line and kick it.
00:55:53
Speaker
That's a known quantity. And if anything's kind of fucked up, that's your first instinct. Just kick it if something isn't quite right. And it's known. So what are you going to do to respond? And he responded well once he put the boot away. And that's what he's got to do. And when they ran with it in attack, that's when they killed him.
00:56:17
Speaker
Yeah, so we got to like learn that lesson, especially for this coming up week. This is a team that's very like, you know, Exeter is if you talk about them in a minute, but yeah, you run a little bit on them, you play with a little with they cannot stop you. No, so they need to they need to play like this. This was this was one of those old school salaries, just like we're going to kick your butt every which way. And, you know, so they did they did some physicality, obviously with with Mauro, but they need that.
00:56:44
Speaker
thing to play like this more, the variability in the, you know, you're not just kicking aimlessly, you're actually trying to run on the other team, so. Yeah, and when you kick, you're kicking tactfully and not being a fucking idiot. Right. Good had some good, didn't he have a 52, 22? He did, it was a glorious 52. Yeah, like those kind of things, like the kicks that are like, that aren't just like, okay, you guys do something with it, the kicks that are right up your asshole, like those kicks, I like those kicks. Anything that puts pressure on the player to
00:57:14
Speaker
turn and do something with the ball immediately is or puts pressure or is more, I believe, is more of a tactical, a better tactical kick than an up and under. Right. Yeah. Or even if it's not a 50 22, if you if you can can chip it, you know, if things aren't going well, chip it out, you know, into their 22, make them make them throw a line out there and and and see what happens, especially when you got Maro and Nick.
00:57:40
Speaker
Yeah, you got two, two to three wonderful ion jumpers between those two and then Montheo's healthy. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:47
Speaker
Nini actually really had 124 meters by far the most yeah on the on the field and he still didn't play 10 minutes because he had that fucking car Yeah, so tells you how much how stupid he needs to not be and then he can be all the things he probably thinks he is I'm also particularly happy that Monty Yewani was only play only played five minutes and then came off I'm sorry you got hurt, but I was not sad to see the back of him, right? And especially with God when came on it was like Never mind I will trade that all day
00:58:17
Speaker
I'm not happy he got hurt, but I'm not sad that that was the trade at the same time. It's just business. Yeah. Let's go up to sell for sale and lower shell. This score line is honestly kind.
00:58:35
Speaker
to sale if we're blunt. I think so. I'm not trying to dance on craze or shit on people too, too hard here, but let's be honest. If they're honest with each other, yeah, that was...
00:58:48
Speaker
They were outclassed all day, all day long. And to be two of their tries came when they were... Yeah, two of their tries came when they were up, you know. Two players at the end. I guess, well, I can't remember if that was, I think, was he given the yellow after? No, I think it was... There was one for a persistent, and then there was two on. Yeah. So I think two on was second. I just couldn't remember if he was after...
00:59:17
Speaker
previous try or before or like during the try. I don't know if that I'm just trying to say give it credit. Was that one man up or two? I don't recall. But either way, it was a story that went then do not know, but I'm saying that like his head, they're both the card and the try were at 66 minutes. So I'm not sure if Dulan's yellow came before the try or actually before that up before. Yeah, before because they kicked it into the corner. Right. That's what I figured. Yep. So.
00:59:48
Speaker
I mean, we kind of told you that sale is probably going to be one of the teams that's on the outside looking in. Yeah. I hope it's not too bad for Johnny Hill. No. I mean, he did it before he even jumped. I was
Match Reviews: Bath vs. Toulouse
01:00:05
Speaker
like, you could see it. I was like, oh, Jesus, that is not a good thing. Yeah, he was in the air holding his knee up. It's like, oh, no, he's hurt.
01:00:12
Speaker
It's either near a hamstring, they said, oh god, neither is awesome, if we're honest. Yeah, neither is good. At the same time, like I, you know, I.
01:00:26
Speaker
he was being an ass even before then too. So it's kind of like, I just don't. Maybe don't be an ass. Right. Just saying, just saying. They just need to. Yeah. And, you know, I guess I have the same issues with sale that I have with Lester, except at least you have, you know, Aaron Reed and Roboc. But that's it on this. When he decides to play.
01:00:51
Speaker
I'm sorry. Carpenter when he decides to show up. Carpenter too, but yeah, but he wasn't in the start. I'm just looking at the starters here. What did Bedlow do? Nothing. No, wasn't there a ... Didn't he get a ... Fuck, I remember talking about him, but I don't remember what it was for. Didn't he escape like a yellow that should have been an easy yellow? Oh, that's a possibility, yeah.
01:01:14
Speaker
I can't remember what he did, but I just remember it being- Yes, yes. Yep. Yeah. It was a note. Busby went to no call. It was like, oh, it was a forearm. It was a forearm to the face. That's what it was. It was. Oh, yeah. It should have been a yellow. To Audrey. Yep. That sounds right. That tracks.
01:01:35
Speaker
Yeah, that was ridiculous. Really, yeah, Busbee, again, the refereeing this whole weekend was shit. And that's problematic because it's like they're very inconsistent. It's not even that they're, I don't disagree with the calls, but they're consistent. If they're consistent, at least I can be like, okay, I get it. But there's a lot of things that were called one way and not the other
01:01:59
Speaker
within even within a game, like there would be, you know, hands in a rock on one team, but not the other. And then bringing down a scrum on the other team, but not on the one. It's just like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, it doesn't make sense. Really just annoying shit like that. Yeah. And I think this I think this game could be summarized in terms for sales terms that when Soteni scored and there were two players.
01:02:25
Speaker
Yeah. That's pretty much the explanation you need for sale right there. Yeah. Game set and match. Yeah. We don't do that in this house. Toulouse and Bath. Bath show up for 40 minutes, but the game's 80, so that's the bad news. Sorry, guys. 1919 at half, but then you let them score 12 and you scored none. Yeah. So, I mean, most teams would go into
01:02:51
Speaker
Yeah, there's that. To lose and just completely shit them and just poop themselves and be like, oh my God, what's going on around here? And they didn't. They showed up and they put their hands up and whipped it out and said, hey, we're here too. Don't worry. You worry about you. We'll worry about us. And let's not mistake that this is not the bath top thing.
01:03:17
Speaker
And this is not the bath, especially their back five. They're the locks and maybe Ewels. Yeah. And then Stuke was a reserve, but certainly that back row. Bayless would be a starter. Miles would be probably back. Like they would probably be the two. Yeah. But with Barbary, with Hill, with Underhill, like, I would like really, I'm scared to see this bath team at full strength.
01:03:48
Speaker
They brought it now, but they don't have as many, like they don't have a Jack Willis because their Jack Willis is hurt. Well, not that anybody had, no, it's not really a Jack Willis that they have. No, nobody has Jack Willis. Let's be honest about that. Nobody has Thomas Ramos except to lose as well.
01:04:10
Speaker
Good news for Toulouse is he's not going anywhere. Barring injury, knock on wood. Yeah, fucking guy's good. It is... This game just cemented them as favorites, though, Toulouse. Even though they're losing DuPont, I think they're going to be like... Refsia is going to come in and probably be just fine. I don't think they need him necessarily, which is wild to think about. You had the volume down on this, right?
01:04:39
Speaker
Was that one, was this one of the ones you had the volume down? I had the volume down quite often this weekend. Yeah. They were saying that DuPont, they might make him available for the Champions Cup games. Let's see how that goes. So it's like, it's not as definite, but they're trying to, they're working out ways to make that happen. So it might not be over for DuPont.
01:05:04
Speaker
Be wild. If that is true. Look out everyone. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody duck and cover. We gush about him, but I'm sorry. We have to again. Ollie fucking Lawrence. Goddamn, the dude is a monster. And whatever people thought Tooey is or was, he's going to make a lot of people happy when they realize
01:05:31
Speaker
I don't know who the fuck that guy was before, but this guy's awesome. Right. And I think he was at 12 for a reason this match, even though even the comms were saying that he and Ojomo can effectively switch. It doesn't really matter which is where. And in the past, it has been a lot of Ojomo. I think there's something about
01:05:49
Speaker
We need, there was probably a we want to see you at 12 from England. And I'm sure, you know, Ben Gran's like, I don't care what number they wear on the back. It's Ojomo and Lawrence and whatever. But if you want to see, you need to see Ollie Lawrence wearing 12. Okay. What the difference does it make? Yeah, he's, shouldn't, he's, he's that guy. Yeah. He should be their starting center. Right. Should be.
01:06:17
Speaker
Should be. Could be should be. And then, yeah, like, Brace, like, you know, you know, he's bad. And again, I want to get more into detail, probably about five minutes of it once we're done in this next one. But yeah, like, come on, Brace, you shouldn't have to be talked into a fucking common sense decision like that. Right. Yeah. He was like, Oh, people listening on like straight red for you. Like,
01:06:40
Speaker
Uh, he was, uh, no, he was going to, uh, card for Clute and then you got talked down to yellow and then you got talked down to penalty only. Right.
Debate on Rugby Penalty and Refereeing Standards
01:06:48
Speaker
That's right. That's what it was Clute. Yeah. It was a little reckless. So that's why it's penalty only. I can give you that, but like, dude fucking like basically almost got flipped in the air. Like, right. Come on, dude. Like, I don't know if you, what you know about physics and anatomy and you know, all that shit, but clearly you need to brush up on it. Cause that is just fucking terrible.
01:07:06
Speaker
Right. And also, there was a player offsides who clearly interfered with him. And at that point, it's
01:07:17
Speaker
I, yeah, I don't understand. And I guess he was saying that it was the foul play that overrides that, um, which I also kind of caused the foul play. Yeah. And it's also, yeah, it was a really poorly, like, administrative, just not, not well managed by my brace on that one. No, no, no. Let's go rebound.
01:07:46
Speaker
Oh, yes. Yes. I want to go here. This is my favorite match. This team series one. And this was my favorite match of the week. Yeah. I mean, sorry, assholes, but like Federico more. He's got, you're going to see him in your dreams and your nightmares. Like, holy shit. The guy with the guy just had a day and he's not even like bang on first team starter for this team, which is no, the absolute batshit crazy thing. Like, holy shit.
01:08:14
Speaker
But that's the thing. This was essentially a second side for Bayon. And Exeter just got hoosed by them. Just couldn't touch them. Yeah, I mean, they got a couple of squirts at the end. Like, you know, get a couple of garbage. No, no, it was almost garbage time at that point.
01:08:41
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Jenkins into him. We got him back kind of into it. But yeah, yeah. Well, the fucking the yellow that was given to Doug Gary like that's not a yellow. That's open play dipshit. Like what the fuck's wrong with you? Yeah. That was that was poor. No, it's very poor, but I. I. Like here's the thing. You want and yes, I'm going to compare the two teams like.
01:09:12
Speaker
You look at series and they got thumped in Bordeaux, worst ever defeat. But also like half that team's from the French national team. The other half was like all internationals elsewhere. I know there's a handful of internationals on this team and a few of them are tier one, a bunch of them are tier two and that doesn't necessarily make them bad players.
01:09:32
Speaker
But again, this is Bayonne's second team and you go there and you lay down this piss more performance. Who on this team is not in there for Exeter? I'm saying this is their starters. This is their bang on a squad. Maybe, you know, I guess why it is hurt.
01:09:52
Speaker
But other than that, I mean, Hodges in for sure. Hodges in for sure. I can't believe that much. Woodburn, DeVoto, Slade. Here's the other thing. Henry fucking Slade. I remember that. Somehow him kicking a conversion made him the star of the last match. I know it was the deciding points, but come on, man. This team exists not around Henry. Slade does a couple of good things.
01:10:21
Speaker
I don't understand why people see him as like this bang on international star player when really the only time he does much of anything is with the boot. Like he's a decent distributor, decent. Not much of a runner and not much of a defender, although I think he played pretty solid defense in this game. But again, against a B squad. Yeah. Like, yes, you should look competent defensively against, you know,
01:10:49
Speaker
McCullough and Lestrade, like, yeah, you should be all right. But he was OK. 34 meters against Glasgow as a 13. Yeah. I can't. Look, I'm sorry. I don't know what people I really don't know what people see in Henry Slade. No, I don't. I don't. This should be like because it's another player that's got a hex over people. Right. If he's that guy, he has like a couple tries and and really keeps the team in it instead of 40 to 17. You got fucking roasted.
01:11:18
Speaker
I don't care. I don't care that's on the road because again, B squad changes everything for me. Yeah. You know, that's not their big guns. And there was there there, you know, camp bodies that ran all ran all over you. No.
01:11:32
Speaker
Only stuck getting all the calls with and they still got a couple of this game But for the most part they start getting all the calls and yeah You stop getting calls with like yes when the game is in tight with them They'll get all the calls when the other team just bangs with them. That's the game they like to play but Bayon kept it loose and ran with width and attacked
01:11:52
Speaker
Exeter just don't defend like that as a team. They just do not defend right fairly wide They they're so narrow and their whole idea is to get up before you can get it out wide But you know what you can do is if you just get yourself a little bit more depth Now would you just run right around them? Yeah, right around them and there's nothing they have no answer for that Nope none none none
01:12:15
Speaker
And I love to see it now again. So here's, here's a piss. Here's, I guess this is what pisses me off about, about rugby in general that I wanted to talk about more than, you know, that has to do with this game. I don't know what type of scouting is being done.
01:12:31
Speaker
in rugby, real scouting, because I got to say, if someone like you and me can look at eggs and be like, man, they're really narrow. All you have to do is make this adjustment and play and throw the ball a little bit. You can you can beat them. Why isn't that like, I remember there was a game this year between the 49ers and the Eagles in the NFL and the 49ers just whooped the Eagles.
01:12:58
Speaker
And I think it was a defensive player for the 49ers said, I hope everyone's watching because we just gave you the blueprint. And yeah, I mean, one in seven down the stretch, like, and couldn't get shit going on offense. And yeah, they got the blueprint. Where is that with exits? Why aren't people like, Oh, this is how you do the exit and just let's do that. I think it's a little too much getting caught with
01:13:22
Speaker
I have to do it my way. Yeah. Which is not a good answer usually. No, it's not. Just saying. Because then you end up playing their game and you end up losing. So yeah. Please rugby coaches out there, learn from this. Yeah. Exeter can be had. It's a free win. Take it. Yeah. All right. Three minutes on the... We talked about the stage of officiating the last couple of weeks, but really
01:13:51
Speaker
Here's the thing, I can put mostly officials this past weekend into one of three baskets.
01:13:57
Speaker
No idea what they're doing. Sort of there, but not really. Competent, maybe even good. And that's the best I can tell you. So like, no idea what they're doing. PRD, Charnini, Brusette, Ridley, Busby, Amisha Kelly. Sorry, bud. You can probably throw a girl of white in there. He's young, so I guess I can give him a little bit of a pass. Brace, definitely. Dixon, sometimes. And if those guys aren't there, they're in the sort of there, but not really, along with Reynaud, who is probably solidly sort of there, but not really.
01:14:26
Speaker
And then competent, but maybe even good, are probably Carly and Pierce. And that's it. Right. And that's probably being kind to everyone, if we're honest. It is bad. It is the- Wait, you forgot to- Wait, who is that? The two Scottish referees. How could you miss them? Or wait, it's one of them. Grove White, I got him. Greg Evans. Oh, Greg Evans. Oh, I forgot about him. And Addison. There we go.
01:14:51
Speaker
Mike Adamson. Yeah, well, I was just doing this weekend. I know. They're both on the no idea what they're doing category. Trust me. That's the problem. Like you had even, you know, some referees with, you know, World Cup experience that you're just like, no, go away. You don't can't know what you're looking at.
01:15:07
Speaker
Yeah, that's probably not just it's problematic. It's a huge problem. And, you know, people are talking about, well, we're always going to market better or they got to do that. They got to get their game like solidified and actually competent because I can't sit there and try and explain the game to someone by the laws that I've been that are that are written down. And then they go, well, why did why was that allowed? No idea. Right. That should be allowed. Right.
01:15:35
Speaker
You know, I can't explain this to my high school kids and then have, and then have them go, well, they did it. Why were they allowed to do it? I'm like, cause the referee is dog shit. Like can't be my, the thing I have to say every time. Cause then the kids are just going to believe the refereeing is dog shit in general, which is right now it's true. So I'd rather not have it be that case though. It is though. Yeah. That's problematic. And it's, it's bad for the game because of that. Now we're, you know, we, when we talk about Caulfield and we talk about, um, Langdon,
01:16:05
Speaker
And like the problem is that there's people with, you know, there's so many wild, different interpretations because we've seen, you know, when you go down into the, well, if you're saying it's foul play and it's a direction, you know, like all that, like, yes, Caulfield, if you're saying that's foul play, yes, should have been a red. But to me, it's not foul play. It's a hard rugby incident warranting a yellow at most.
01:16:28
Speaker
Um, that, you know, cause yeah, you hit him in the head. Like there is a little bit of duty of care there. I get it. Um, but yeah, it's very different from a flying fucking knee to the face. Like no, no, honestly, any intentional needs of the face that can be very bad. Yeah, that's horrible. Like we shouldn't be discussing these incidents as, as anywhere near the same, but because of the way the referees, you know, looked at each of the incidents.
01:16:59
Speaker
Um, that's a problem. And then how do we, how do we explain that? I can't. Yeah. Don't have the answer. Don't have the answer. All right. Uh, we've had it.
Outro and Transition to Fantasy Podcast
01:17:18
Speaker
You survived. Everyone you survived. You made it to the end here. A lot of Sarah's talk. So sorry to the people out there who don't like that.
01:17:26
Speaker
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01:17:42
Speaker
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