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Obesity to Competitive Body Builder - a conversation with Mark Talukdar

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Mark Talukdar is a proud technology nerd, who became a sales person to learn interpersonal skills.

The corporate sales world involves a lot of entertaining and irregular working hours. His diet and exercise suffered. The result, as you can see on his Instagram, was obesity.

A major life event made Mark realise that he that he would have to change his career so that he could change his life.

Now Mark works as a business coach and is an amateur body builder.

In this episode of the Abeceder podcast Fit For My Age Mark explains to host Michael Millward the experience of moving from being obese to being a competitive body builder.

They discuss how it feels to be the fat bloke going in to the gym for the first time, and how getting fit, and consequently healthier transfers to other aspects of your life.

Mark and Michael discuss their experience of working with a personal trainer.

You will undoubtedly hear something that resonates with your own life and wish that you had heard this episode of Fit For My Age years ago.

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Introduction to Fit for My Age Podcast

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Hello and welcome to Fit for My Age, the health and wellbeing podcast from Abysida. I'm your host, Michael Millward, the managing director of Abysida.
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As the jingle at the start of this podcast says, Fit for My Age is made on Zencastr. Zencastr is the all-in-one podcasting platform on which you can make your podcast in one place and then distribute it to the major platforms like Spotify,
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All the details are in the description. Now that I have told you how wonderful Zencaster is for making podcasts, we should make one. One that will be well worth listening to, liking, downloading and subscribing to.
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Very importantly, on Fit For My Age, we don't tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think.

Introducing Mark Talukdar

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to Today, my guest, who I met on matchmaker.fm, is Mark Talukdar.
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And he will tell me if I pronounce that correctly, I'm sure. But it's Mark Talukdar. Mark is based in Austin, Texas. If I was going to visit Austin, I would make all of my travel arrangements with the Ultimate Travel Club, where I can access trade prices on flights, hotels, and holidays, and so many more travel-related purchases.
00:01:48
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There is a link and a membership discount code in the description. Now that I've paid the rent, Hello, Mark. Hello. Thank you for having me. I'm talking to somebody from Texas. So you're you're either an oil man or a cowboy. Which is it?
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I am just a guy in Texas who moved here from New York City. I neither have oil nor do I have cowboy boots yet. Oh, have you got a Stetson? I don't.
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Oh, ah you're not quite qualified then. Never mind. We'll make the best of it.
00:02:23
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We'll make the best of it. One of the things that that made you one of the people that I wanted to have on Fit for My Age is that you have an amazing achievement, which I want to talk about. And I want to work out how you've fitted everything together

Mark's Health Transformation

00:02:37
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in life. But The achievement that you've made is that you have gone from 41% body fat.
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So let's be honest, you're a little bit round and roly-poly at 41% body fat. That is a lot of body fat though, isn't it, mate? Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely. It was horrible. I couldn't sleep at night. I couldn't breathe at night. i had sleep apnea. I had high cholesterol. it was It was dark. Those were dark days. Yeah.
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But in two years, you went from 41% fat down to 7% body fat. yeah And one of the things, cause I'm going to show off my mathematic ability here is that six times seven is 42. You have reduced your body fat by five times. yeah That is an amazing achievement.
00:03:28
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And the other thing is I should point out that if people go to your Instagram um page, what is your Instagram address then Mark? Just my name, Mark Daloktar. Mark Talukta, we will put a link in the description.
00:03:43
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You will see the difference in Mark's body, but you'll also notice that instead of loose skin, which lots of people who lose lots of weight get, Mark has got rather a well-defined six-pack,
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as well. So we will find out more about all of that. But like you said, you're not originally from Austin, Texas. But could we start by you just explaining how you ended up in Austin, Texas?

Journey from India to Austin

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Yeah, I moved. I mean, originally I'm from India and I immigrated to the United States when I was 18 years old. And I went to college in Pennsylvania, then lived in Maryland and worked in Virginia, finally ended up in New York City.
00:04:22
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And then during COVID, we went from ah New York City to Austin. And what but sort of work were you doing? So when I was in Pennsylvania, I was working in tech as a software engineer.
00:04:33
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I spent a couple of years in sales and marketing because I realized there was a gap in my personality as such, you know. thought going to say there was a gap in your revenue because salespeople do tend to earn more than the engineers. you know.
00:04:48
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You know, you growing up as ah as a nerd that i that I'm proud of being one. You should be. You don't really develop communication skills, right? So um I graduated college with degree in computer science and mathematics and a master's in IT. t And I was had a really good job earning six figures. Nice.
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But I realized something was missing. I wanted to develop those communication skills to be able to run a business of mine someday. So I went into Sainsawirth Marketing and um I was there for five years.
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And by the time i was done with it, I was top 1% in the country. So I used that skill then to become an end-to-end professional consultant, which took me to New York City, after which I started my business as a business coach because I had a had a realization that there are other people like me you know who are smart, who have knowledge, who want to do something on their own, but are perhaps not...
00:05:41
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thinking that they can do this because they too grew up as a nerd or a geek or they were told you know early on that you just don't have communication skills or they have preconceived notions about what sales and marketing is and belief that they can do it.
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Having been the ah HR professional who provided HR support to quite a large sales and marketing team, I would agree with you. Salespeople, marketeers are sort put on a, not a pedestal, but a ah step somewhere else on the on the ladder as being different. yeah And many people look at them as as quite strange, really.
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How can you go and talk to strangers? How can you just bounce back from the rejection that is an an inevitable part of marketing? being a salesperson or a marketeer.
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How can you do that? And yet many salespeople yeah suffer a lot of stress in those situations, but also look with envy at those people who are the nerds and the geeks who can pour over data and pour over code for hours and still be interested in doing three or four more hours of it as well.
00:06:45
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Yeah. Whatever we don't have, we want. and We are all different. Yes, the group but the grass is not greener on the other side of the fence. The grass is greener where you water it. Well said.
00:06:56
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know, it's where you care for it. I know. I found that from someone else. I can't claim any credit for it. But you made these changes and then you end up in Austin, Texas. You're a business coach. You're supporting other people.
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What happened to make you decide that you were not just going to change your career, but you were actually going to change your body shape?

Career Stress and Unhealthy Habits

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You know, you just pointed it out. When you're in sales, it's extremely stressful.
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And i didn't belong in sales. Growing up all these years, I just, when I went into the sales world, I just felt like I didn't belong there, but I wanted to succeed. So I worked really hard, but I also carried incredible amount of stress with me.
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I mean, i I remember driving to work with a pencil in between my teeth, because I had seen a YouTube video that said, if you can force your face ah wide open with a pencil between your teeth, it'll make you think like you're happy.
00:07:52
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That's how miserable I was. But I'm nothing but ah strongly focused on what I need to do. But you know with stress comes a lot of stress eating. That contributed to weight gain.
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There's self-medication in the form of alcohol, you know especially in sales and marketing. You go out for all these meetings and whatnot, and you're drinking a lot. And slowly, this weight started creeping up, up until to a point where I was at a 41% body fat.

Motivation for Change

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In 2021, my son was born. When I held him in my hands is the very first time I had this realization that all this money, all this success, all these things that I've achieved in life, they don't mean anything because perhaps...
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I will not be alive long enough to see him grow. because i already had sleep sleep apnea at the time. I wasn't breathing when I was sleeping. I had high cholesterol, all these things.
00:08:44
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Intellectually, I knew what I needed to do, but we all have reasons or excuses why we don't embark upon the fitness journey. But when I held him in my hands, I made a promise to him. Obviously, he didn't understand, but um I made a promise to myself that I'm going to change this all around, and I gave myself two years.
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And that's when I started the fitness journey. It's amazing. You hold ah son in your arms for the first time and your life changes. You're no longer the most important person around.
00:09:14
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That little bundle of fun is billion times more important than you are. And you have this commitment to be around, to help him grow. And ah can totally understand what it was that that motivated you there. You talked about reasons.
00:09:31
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I think what many people have is not so much reasons to carry on with an unhealthy lifestyle, but they have excuses for not getting out of the unhealthy lifestyle. yeah Until we have a reason to do something. For some people, it's getting married.
00:09:46
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For other people, it's seeing another relative. Yeah. go through what you can see yourself on the path to. But for a lot of people, there is this element of like, I am now properly, truly 100% responsible for this little human being. And I have to change in order to fulfill that responsibility.
00:10:06
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So i am wondering, what it was it like to be 41% body fat, go through

Starting the Fitness Journey

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the door of the gym? What does it feel like to be that big and go through the door of a gym?
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It was hard. There's a lot of you know self-doubt and embarrassment. um You go into a gym and you don't even know where the machines are or you know what to do.
00:10:30
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But you know I have gone through certain other transformations in my life. And I always like to say, how you do anything is how you do everything. And I've sort of found certain ways. I've found myself over the years to really understand what makes me tick and what are the circumstances that make me the most successful.
00:10:51
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So when when I started this journey, i i knew that I had only given myself two years and I wanted the results as optimally as possible. And therefore I did not want to waste any time DIYing things, you know?
00:11:04
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So ah right off the bat, I hired a trainer, you know? um I knew you were going to say that. I knew you were going to say that when you, when you get, you go to the gym, this is what happened with me. You go to the gym, you you've just, I loved it. I do love it.
00:11:19
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Getting a personal trainer was the way in which I started to see the results just ramp up. The speed of the changes for me increased when I started working with Greg Saunders, who was a brilliant personal trainer um in my local area.
00:11:34
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But it's it's interesting that you had, that for me, that you had exactly the same motivation, the same experience. Exactly. You know, there are people out there who have dedicated their entire lives to the craft that we are looking to learn.
00:11:48
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So if we have the ability to, because not many may have the ability to do this, but if we have the ability to do this, why not hire their resources and um you know bank upon the knowledge that they have to get what do you want?
00:12:03
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there no um If we don't have the resources, then DIY is the only option. But if we have the resources, invest in it. It's worth it. It is. And I think the DIY... is you never really quite know whether what you are doing is correct or not. But more importantly, it's the fine tuning of your technique that can have a really massive impact on the success of each exercise that you do.
00:12:32
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And having someone who's focused on picking up on those little things that can be improved a little bit will see your progress move faster, I think.
00:12:44
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Absolutely. I mean, the way i have always thought about it is that when I really want to achieve something, I look at it and i go about it as if my life depends on it. And the analogy I like to give is, you know, when you you you want when you want to learn how to start driving, you don't DIY that.
00:13:01
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You don't get in the car, you know, because truly your life depends on it. So you find someone who knows how to drive and you learn from them. yeah So that's how I approach things in life. With fitness, I wish I had started this when I was in my early 20s, but I didn't. I wish I would have started this when I was in my early 30s. I didn't.
00:13:20
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You know, started this when I'm approaching 40. I couldn't afford to get injured or do something silly that would not only alter my progress, but also perhaps hurt me in the long run.
00:13:31
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So my life truly did depend on it. So I wanted to get an expert Who could show me what to do? Because I didn't even know what were the machines called, you know? What the machines are called or the exercises or the of the... There's so many things to learn in a gym, the health and safety things that can be as simple as where you put your feet.
00:13:52
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What I mean is When you say your life depends upon it, it can do because there are heavy weights around and accidents can happen. Unfortunately, if you're going to do this and like seriously, like you say, as if your life depended on it, then I'm thinking about what you said a couple of minutes ago, which is like how you do anything is how you do everything.
00:14:18
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And that makes me so sort of think like, okay, you go into the gym and in two years through regular exercise, the right type of exercise, and obviously the right type of diet, you the alcohol goes, the fatty foods go, all sorts of various different things have to go in order to achieve what you achieved in two years.
00:14:39
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But that, if you're going to do do it, how you do anything is how you do everything. um so think How did all of that transfer into other aspects of your life? First of all, you start feeling better.
00:14:54
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And it isn't that I started feeling better immediately physically. I started feeling better emotionally. And what I mean by that is when we commit ourselves to doing something and we actually follow through, there is a huge psychological impact.
00:15:13
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And that just doesn't happen need to happen with Jim. It could be that I told my friend i would be there to help him, and I was there at the time instead of making an excuse because it was raining.
00:15:25
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But anything in life, when we commit to something and we actually... follow through with it, it gives us a huge boost, a huge dopamine key kick. And there's a lot of studies that do that, you know that show that.
00:15:38
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So that was the first thing that you know I said, I'm going to do this. I said that I'm going to start out by trying three days a week. And I started training three days a week. Although I was sore and miserable because I was so out of shape, I started feeling good that you know I made this promise and I'm doing it.
00:15:53
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And then it's just consistency. You stick with it and you slowly start to see results. You know, your wife points something out. Hey, you know, you're looking good. Or or you start noticing, wait a second, this the shirt is a little bit looser and these pants are a little bit looser looser. And then your friends start noticing things. And all these little things kind of feed into the momentum and it just continues to increase.
00:16:17
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Yes. When the summer comes around, How did the shorts that you wore last summer feel this summer? Can you still get them on? ah they a little yeah Do they fit the same way are they a little bit looser or can you not get them on? it's like It sounds like something so simple, but body changes, weight gain, weight loss is a slow process. And and it does take, i think, sometimes someone else to notice before we actually notice ourselves.
00:16:44
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Absolutely. Absolutely. You've gone through this physical change. You've had like all of the emotions that go with that as well. you're both physically and mentally in a betterish and a better place than you were.
00:16:57
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I presume now you're sleeping a lot better as well. um my gosh. Yeah. I was, at when I was at that weight, I was waking up at least eight to 10 times in the middle of the night, either to gasp for oxygen or because I had to pee because there was too much pressure on my bladder.
00:17:12
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yeah You know, I'm sure you have experienced this and maybe others listening to this have experienced it too. Sometimes when we are in um in a messy situation, we don't realize how much of a mess we are in until we are past it and we look back at it and say,
00:17:28
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how did I get there in the first place? Like, how was I even surviving? And when I think about how I sleep now and how I feel now and how rested i am during the day, how present I am with my family and my clients and my son,
00:17:43
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and all my friends, i honestly, it feels like a different life.

Life After Health Improvement

00:17:48
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It feels like a different version of me. I don't even know how I used to get through the day. It's quite a revelation. I do agree. Most people I think will be able to look back and think, yeah, I was in that place.
00:18:01
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I don't know how I got there, but I'm glad I'm not there anymore. And it is, I think, part of this way in which we we all tend to go with the flow.
00:18:12
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You mentioned earlier on that as a salesperson, there was lots of whining and dining meals, alcohol was consumed. To be the salesperson who says, actually, I'm not going to do that, right really stands out from the crowd.
00:18:27
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And that's not to say that that just happens in that environment. It happens in all sorts of environments. And it might not be alcohol. It might not be food. It will be something else, which means that we are doing something that we know might not be right for us, but because everybody else is doing it.
00:18:44
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And as a social human being, I want to fit in. I want to be part of something. I go along with it, even though I know it's not the ideal thing for me to do.
00:18:56
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You need to get to the point where you have that amount of confidence to be able to say, no, I'm going to do what I know is best for me. Yeah, absolutely.
00:19:08
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You know, there is so much, i don't know what the word is, shame or ridicule or whatever the word is, but when we go out with friends and you and everybody's having a drink or a few and eating foods that are not good for you and you have to say, oh, I'm on a diet.
00:19:23
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And then you almost get made fun of. Like, what what do you mean you're on a diet? Come on, have fun. And the way I look at it now is that since when is eating right so that you can feel good, so that you can live a long life supposed to be something that we need to be embarrassed about?
00:19:40
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isn't the norm to be able to eat well and sleep well and be present? But somehow, I'm on a diet. That phrase now almost always comes with, oh, I'm sorry, I'm on a diet. Like I have to be apologetic for the fact that I kind of don't want to die prematurely.
00:20:00
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for But sometimes, you know, it's like that Barry Manilow song. All it takes is one voice singing in the darkness. And very often you can find yourself...
00:20:12
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being that one voice and finding out that somebody else will say, yeah, well, I don't want to do it either. People get into habits. yeah And one of the things is as we get older, we need to rethink our habits so that when you were 20, your body metabolized food and alcohol and all sorts of things in a particular way.
00:20:34
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When you're 40, it doesn't operate in exactly the same way. You have to understand your body and adapt your lifestyle to fit your body, not the other way around.
00:20:46
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Yeah. Because I could talk to you for hours about the gym and what you've achieved, and I am seriously envious of your body fat reduction. But I know... just how much hard work goes into that. So massive respect for that. i It's fantastic they you've achieved it.
00:21:02
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And we will put a link to your Instagram account in the description so people can see just what the difference is like, wow, yeah no other words for that. But with my HR professionals hat on and an interest in the development of people at work,
00:21:19
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You are a business coach and you help people to be better in whatever work they are doing. Has the work that you've you've done on yourself in the gym and what you've learned there transferred into your business coaching?

From Personal Transformation to Business Coaching

00:21:34
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Absolutely. The very basics of everything is what do we believe about ourselves as opposed to who we truly are? And this is true for me and this is true for the clients that I work with and perhaps maybe some of your listeners can relate to it as well.
00:21:51
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The farther the gap, the greater the gap in between who we truly are and what we think of ourselves, the worse off we are. So for example,
00:22:03
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Let's say I have the talent to do something amazing, but because of my upbringing, because of my parents, because of my environment, whatever, I don't feel like I am good at anything.
00:22:15
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Well, there's a great gap, right? yes that's like that because of our parents because of our upbringing because of this that's all right until you're probably around about 25 maybe even younger there comes a time though doesn't the way you have to say well forget how i was brought up forget what other people's opinions are i can be whoever i want to be and of course then as i'm saying that and i'm thinking about what i'm saying What I'm realizing is that that is also more difficult than just saying it.
00:22:46
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And that I suppose is where someone one like you comes in. Yeah. I mean, ideally I think, We would want that to happen to everybody. But conditioning is a real thing.
00:22:57
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Yes. Right? And if we are conditioned to believe a certain way, whether we have conditioned ourselves or we have been conditioned by external environments, sometimes depending on the level of conditioning, it's harder for some over others believe.
00:23:12
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to really mean when they say, i can do whatever I want and I'm free. And then at least in my experience, I've noticed some people understand things intellectually, but maybe they're not able to accept it emotionally and they don't know how to go about it.
00:23:27
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So for example, how many people listening to this podcast, how many people in this world are unaware of the fact that in order to get fit, you need to eat right and exercise. Everybody knows this intellectually. I don't think I've ever met anybody who's like, really? i didn't know that. I never heard that, right?
00:23:44
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So just because someone understands something intellectually doesn't necessarily mean that they can accept it emotionally or that they know how to go about it, right?
00:23:55
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So that's where... Someone like me comes into play or could be a friend or could be a family member or could be a teacher, could be a trainer, a coach, a mentor who actually takes interest in you and helps understand one's true potential as opposed to what one thinks of themselves and then helps you bridge the gap.
00:24:18
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For me, you know I had put a label on myself that, well, I'm just obese and this is just how i'm going to be. I'd been on some fad diets from time to time. you know Every couple of months, you try keto and paleo and this and that, and you know you fail and you just believe, well, this is just how it is. This is just how i'm going to be.
00:24:35
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It took an enormous amount of internal strength to say, no, I think I can change and therefore I'm going to do this. It's the same principles that I also apply in business with my clients, where they might feel a certain thing about themselves.
00:24:51
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They might feel imposter syndrome. They might feel like i'm I'm afraid of putting myself out there to create content. What will people think of me? you know How will pretty people criticize me? There's so many things that goes into our mindset.
00:25:03
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So it's bridging this gap by understanding one's true talent um to help them see that perhaps what we've been thinking about ourselves all our life isn't all that accurate.
00:25:13
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Maybe there is more of us within us that we just need to dig and bring out, you know? Yes. I suppose for many of us, that expression about digging and bringing more of ourselves out, the conditioning that you talked about is almost like the lids on our true potential.
00:25:34
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yeah yeah we are We've got all sorts of different skills, but the challenge is actually learning about our skills, learning that they're there. Learning how to develop the skills that we need to do what it is that we want to do.
00:25:49
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It's not as an easy process though. And it is one of those things that I have to agree with you. sir Your conditioning, this idea that how you do anything is how you do everything.
00:26:02
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And if your car's a mess, then your home will be a mess. If your home's a mess, your office will be a mess. Your garden will be a mess. It's about where deciding where you are and deciding where you are told you should be and then saying, is where I'm told I should be, where I want to be, and if it isn't, what do you need to do in order to create the right place for you to be?
00:26:24
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Absolutely. You know, Mark, it is absolutely fascinating that you've had such an amazing array of experiences in your life growing up in India, emigrating as a teenager to study in the United States, and then your various different moves around careers and locations in the United States, the physical journey you've been on as well as everything else.
00:26:50
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what is What is next for you? I

Future Aspirations in Bodybuilding and Powerlifting

00:26:53
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am competing at a national level. So it's going to be national championship in bodybuilding. If I win, will turn pro.
00:27:01
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If I don't win, I will try again. and And I don't know what's next after that on my fitness journey. I'm interested in powerlifting. Maybe I'll challenge myself to see if I can also get a national title in powerlifting, but perhaps that's getting too ahead of ourselves.
00:27:15
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I like living a life where I am fulfilled and I'm discovering you know who I am and what I can do. And the only way I can do that is by trying different things that I'm truly interested in and actually committing to it instead of just writing myself off by saying, well, that's never going to happen.
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I would much rather try and fail than never try at all. Yes. Yeah. Well, I hope to be speaking to you and speaking to a national champion. I wish you the very best of luck with that competition.
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And I'm very grateful that you've been able to find in your schedule the time to talk to me today. So thank you very much. You've been a great guest and I've learned a lot. Thank you. Thank you so much, Michael. It's a been a pleasure.
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Thank you. I am Michael Millward, the managing director of Abbasida. And in this episode of fit for my age, I have been having a conversation with Mark Takluta, who's in Austin, Texas, a bodybuilder business coach, and the man who dropped from 41% 7% body fat in two years You can find out more about both of us at abecida.co.uk.
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There is a link in the description alongside links to Mark's Instagram pages. I would like to thank the team at matchmaker.fm for introducing me to Mark.
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And until the next time, thank you for listening and goodbye.