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The Self Esteem Regime - a conversation with author Clarissa Burt
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Clarissa Burt has over 35 years’ experience in the entertainment industry, as an award-winning media personality, producer, director, writer, author, public speaker and former supermodel. Let’s not forget that Clarissa also won a series of Celebrity Survivor.
Clarissa is the Founder and CEO of In the Limelight Media, a multi-media platform consisting of TV/video, a podcast and a digital magazine.
In this episode of the Abeceder podcast Fit For My Age Clarissa and host Michael Millward discuss Clariss’s book The Self-Esteem Re-Gime.
Clarissa describes the inspiration for creating The Self-Esteem Re-Gime and that it is intended to be an Action Plan for Becoming the Confident Person the reader was meant to be.
Michael and Clarissa discuss how difficult it is to identify who you are meant to be, looks like or acts like. Their discussion includes the reasons why people live lives that don’t make them happy.
The book provides through a concrete, step-by-step programme that helps people find worthiness. Although the tasks in this manual are not easy Clarissa handholds readers through the process by sharing, her unique mix of knowledge, attitude, and humour,
Clarissa, explains several interesting acronyms, including F.A.I.L ,and H.I.G.H. She also asks difficult questions like; Who are you when you don’t get what you want?
Find out more about Michael Millward and Clarissa Burt at Abeceder.co.uk.
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Podcast Introduction and Guest Introduction
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on zencastor Hello and welcome to Fit For My Age, the health and wellbeing podcast from Abysseedah. I am your host, Michael Millward, Managing Director of Abysseedah.
00:00:18
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Today, my guest is Clarissa Burt, the author of the award-winning book, The Self-Esteem Regime.
Podcast Platform and Promotion
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As the jingle at the start of this podcast says, Fit for My Age is made on Zencastr.
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Zencastr is the all-in-one podcasting platform on which you can make your podcast in one place and then distribute it to the major platforms like Spotify, Apple and Google.
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00:00:59
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00:01:14
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On Fit For My Age, we don't tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think. Today, my guest, who I met on matchmaker.fm, is Clarissa Burt, the author of the award-winning book, The Self-Esteem Regime.
00:01:31
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Clarissa is based in Phoenix, Arizona, USA. I have never been, but it sounds like a hot place and cowboy country, so I probably will at some point. When I go to Phoenix, Arizona, I will book my travel with the Ultimate Travel Club, because the Ultimate Travel Club is where I can access trade prices on my travel, hotels and flights, etc.
00:01:55
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There is a link to the Ultimate Travel Club and a discount code in the description now. Hello, Clarissa. Hello there, Michael. How are you? I'm extremely well, thank you very much, and hope you can say the same.
00:02:06
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I can say the same. It is a beautiful day here in Phoenix, Arizona. We're 53 Fahrenheit today, so that's a little more chilly than we're used to, but you know I'm in sweater and and and we're plowing through. So I'm happy about yeah about that because usually we're in you know double digits, much higher, and within a month we'll be in triple digits Fahrenheit for about six months. So we take in every nice chilly day we can get here. Oh, well, I'm and i'm in God's own country in Yorkshire here in the United Kingdom.
00:02:35
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And the temperature here is 60 degrees Fahrenheit. Oh, wow. So we're we're close-ish. We are, yes.
Self-Esteem Struggles and Solutions
00:02:42
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Please, could we start with you telling us a little little bit about you and your history, and then we can talk about the self-esteem regime.
00:02:49
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Absolutely. so Fit for my age, I think is a perfect, it's a perfect day and a perfect month that I turned 65 this month, which is really quite, it's a milestone. It's another one of those milestones in life where you really do stop and think about life. You know, where have I been?
00:03:05
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What have I done? Has it been good? Have I done the work I was supposed to do? myself Have I been a good person? Am I still going through? And I know that I speak to a lot of people in my age group that still are having and still fight a bit with their self-esteem as we start what we they would say aging out. Now, listen, Michael, I'm not ready to be put out to pasture yet.
00:03:26
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You're talking about people going through the aging process. I don't feel at this age that I'm ready to be put out to a pasture for sure. But as I speak to people in my age group, i there are different things that do come up about their self-esteem ah that we might not have thought about 10 years ago or even five years ago. I'm reaching out, who am i What is my purpose?
00:03:47
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Have I done everything? i you know i was a good daughter. I was a good student. I was a good wife. I was a good mother. But you know ah who am I now? And where am I going? How am I moving forward? Am I even relevant anymore?
00:03:59
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you know When you we speak about self-esteem, Michael, we talk about things that in you know self-esteem doesn't discriminate. It's all ages. It's you know male and female. Do you ever get 100 on the self-esteem test?
00:04:12
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Well, you really don't. You might make it to 98 or 99, but life is life and it will trigger you. And as life does what it does, there's going to be days that are going to be easier and more difficult for you to navigate through.
00:04:23
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things that do happen that will throw us off track. And it's our sacred duty to be able to, or to be sure that we have along the way done the work. And what I mean by that is the personal development, the self-improvement, working on our self-esteem, making sure that we strive to be a better person tomorrow than we are today.
00:04:43
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And that, or at least in my case, it's been done through the personal development section at you know at the bookstores over the last 50 years, potentially. I think I started very early on in my teens, knowing that where I was coming from in the house that I had grown up in, ah so let's go back to the familial tribe, there was probably more out there for me and other things that I needed to learn.
00:05:05
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And that's exactly what I set out to do many, many years ago. Ergo, the book, The Self-Esteem Regime, I know that especially in Europe, the word regime brings up a different connotation. Well, if you look up the definition of regime, it is an organized way of doing things.
00:05:20
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yeah And so the book itself, Michael, is exactly that. You will not read about self-esteem. You will be putting into practice self-esteem.
00:05:31
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There are 12 different chapters that live each one as a microcosm that will get you from where you are. in other words, releasing everything you need to release right now that's not serving you.
00:05:43
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When you say you won't be reading about self-esteem, this is not a textbook. I believe it's a manual, Michael. I think it's a manual. It's an action plan.
00:05:54
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And it's one of those kinds of things where each chapter, as I said, lives in a microcosm. And therefore you will have your case studies, your affirmations, the Clarissa's Corner. We've got our daily demons journaling. You'll be doing mirror work. There's all kinds of different exercises in here that should you do the work. And I really suggest that you do.
00:06:14
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um you will You will be able to see the difference. in yourself and your way of thinking, your way of approaching life, your way of relating or being in relationship with self and with others.
00:06:27
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And therein lies the real, that's the real baseline of happy, healthy self-esteem. So you said that very quickly, happy, healthy self-esteem. And that is one of the yeah there's foundations on which the book is based, isn't it? This is almost like yeah your mission in life is to help people achieve this happy, healthy self-esteem.
Defining Self-Esteem and Self-Improvement
00:06:47
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But what does it really mean? Happy, healthy self-esteem. Happy, healthy self-esteem is really your your take on yourself. It's identifying the positive things about yourself, number one.
00:07:00
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It's self-confidence and how to get it, number two. it's and confidence, remember, is a word really comes from a Latin root, which means with trust, confidere, confidence.
00:07:13
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So confidence really does mean with trust. It's trusting in yourself to know that you will make the right decisions for you. That's a big, big ask of many of us. Yep. None of this did I say ever is going to be easy. You're not going to fly through this.
00:07:32
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You're going to put your boots on the ground. you're going to get very grounded. You're going to be very determined. You're going to put up your big boy britches or your big girl britches. You're going to do this with courage.
00:07:45
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The courage you may not have ever known. may not have thought was in you. You know, these are the, this is a kind of book will help you understand that there really truly is nothing you can't do when it comes to the work that you'll do on yourself. Now, people say, oh, there's, I could do anything. Well, you know what? Mass is not going to call me tomorrow and I'll be on the moon next week.
00:08:03
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So I really also want to be realistic about what expectations that I have of myself. And then as you're working through all of that, also knowing when to be gentle with yourself,
00:08:16
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to be kind with yourself, patient with yourself and give yourself the time because you may be of a certain age where you thought everything was etched in stone. I know what they taught me. i I know what my mom and dad taught me and their parents taught them. And what so the generational traumas that you might have to live through Certainly our peer groups over the years have have formed us in different ways.
00:08:40
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Our very own religion might have formed us in different ways. We may scratch our heads about. So you put things into question yes when you start doing this kind of work that you may not have done before.
00:08:53
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So again, when I talk about marriage, Michael, you may even be talking about distancing some people that are in your life or even cutting them
Setting Boundaries and Teaching Others
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out completely. And that is going to be some of the most difficult work.
00:09:04
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the work I talk about having that courage to do because our goal is never to hurt anyone. That's not what we're trying to do. Our goal is to live our the best life, the life that serves us, therefore serves others better. all Right. So the happy, healthy self-esteem, is it an outcome of the process, the self-esteem regime, or is it more part of the process?
00:09:26
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ah Let me ask you this. How many people do you know that would be better served if they learned how to say no? Oh, well, me for definite sometimes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, everyone. Yeah. And how many would be better served if they learned how to say yes, when to bring up boundaries, when to draw that line in the sand?
00:09:43
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People think that, you know, when you set boundaries, it has to be with anger and raised voices and youre being altered in some way. And it really doesn't. Boundaries are nothing more than teaching others how you will and will not be treated.
00:09:54
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That's a boundary. And that can be done with ease. It can be done with joy. It can be done with glory. It can be done with a simple conversation that may sound something like, Susie Q, may I have a word with you just for a second? And this could be your wife. It could be anybody. But you you get the gist of the vibe of the conversation.
00:10:10
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What you just did or what you just said kind of... landed wrong. and May I explain to you why that might upset me? And if Susie Q says, geez, Michael, I'm so sorry. Not what I meant at all. Wasn't my intention.
00:10:23
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And you'll say, Susie, listen, not a problem. you know Not a big deal. But if we could just rephrase that, whatever. If someone then says to you, oh, come on, Michael, just get over yourself for God's sake. I mean, what's the big deal? It was just a joke.
00:10:36
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You might be in a toxic relationship or a semi-toxic relationship, or at least, you know, I was told many times, Michael, in my life, so you're such a pain in the butt. Sorry for the word. you're So you're such a, well, I'm not really, I am. I'm very, very set in my boundaries and I will tell you how I will and will not be treated. So with, and that doesn't mean it comes with angst. It just means that if it you're doing something that's making me feel unhappy, you're or uncomfortable, it's it's my duty to myself and to you to let you know that. I don't think that sometimes you actually need to verbalize that, or if you live the way in which you want to be treated.
00:11:13
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Well, you know how many times has somebody mistreated you? It it depends on if if it's perpetual and it's continued. Oh, yes, yes. You may have to bring that conversation up. And people have a hard time doing that. They do Michael, people have a hard time setting those boundaries. One of the things that we can do as individuals is that whichever group we go into, a group of people, whether that's a group of people at work, our family members, our church group, whichever group we go into,
00:11:41
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there will be a way of behaving within that group. We can either assimilate because that's the easy option and abandon our values if that's necessary in order to assimilate into that group.
00:11:54
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Or we can say, well, yes, you are free to carry on the way that you are carrying on. I will be part of the group. when I am part of the group, but I do not want to be involved in this type of activity.
00:12:08
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ah Don't ask me to go out for a drink because I i don't drink alcohol. But you know ah there's all sorts of things that you can do which say, this is the way that I expect to be treated because this is the way that I'm behaving.
00:12:21
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I'm living the values that I want you to exhibit when you interact with me. And I am going to live those in the way that I interact with you. And it's a way of, I suppose.
00:12:33
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Advocating for yourself. It's advocating for yourself, Michael. Yes. And that's exactly what is another part of, you know, again, you say happy, healthy
Personal Values and Maintaining Self-Esteem
00:12:41
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self-esteem. That's what it is. Yes. Advocating for yourself, holding yourself in high regard.
00:12:46
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forgiving yourself, which is another really huge one. And here's though another is getting really clear on your values. The four pillars of self esteem. My four pillars are look good, feel good, be good and greater good.
00:12:58
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And those are the four legs of the chair, if you will, that keeps everything balanced and level. So if I'm walking out the door, and I know that I pulled myself together nicely, and, and I um' look i look in the mirror, and I'm feeling good about that, I have a little in my step, it doesn't mean I'm a narcissist. It doesn't mean I'm conceited. It means that I've taken pride in myself. Yes.
00:13:18
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Right. And a lot of people get a little tripped up on that. Feeling good, diet, exercise, nutrition, your wellness, your self-care, the time you dedicate to yourself, the time that you honor yourself.
00:13:29
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yourself, the the food that you nourish your body with. It's really important. I don't disagree with you at all. But one of the things that I wonder is how many people have actually gone through the process of working out yeah what is important to them, what their values are.
00:13:46
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That's why we're here. How they want to live and how many of us actually just fit in because it's the way that things are done. There you go. We hang out with people that we don't really like.
00:13:58
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yeah It's that old saying, I spend money on going out to places I don't want to go to do things I don't want to do to impress people that I don't like. right How many people are trapped in that that cycle of doing things in order to fit in because they are, i won't say scared or frightened, but worried about being excluded, that fear of missing out, and fearful of exploring the other options that would actually fit much better with their values and how they themselves would define
00:14:31
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their four pillars. indeed There'll be lots of men listening to this who will will relate to the idea that, yeah, I was happy in the clothes that I was wearing. Then I met this woman. And she told me that I should be wearing something else. And it was like a sign that this wasn't really the relationship to be in.
00:14:48
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Obviously, she didn't like the clothes that I'm wearing, then she doesn't really like me and she wants to change me. But how many people, how many men have said, yes, I will wear that.
00:14:59
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Of course, you want me to wear that. How many women have bought a dress thinking, yeah my husband, my partner, and boyfriend will like that yeah where rather than do I really want to wear it?
00:15:12
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I think there there might be a split and i you know I really do want to please the person that I care about, but certainly you don't ever want to lose yourself, Michael, in any relationship that you're in I'm going to use the the alcoholics analogy here.
00:15:24
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When you hit rock bottom, that is then you know where you understand that you, again, will start to rebuild your life. And there are different tools and processes in order to do that. What you're talking about now is basically um along the same line. We get into a certain point ah in our life, whether it be depression or anxiety or just being unhappy and being you know being stuck, as you said. That word stuck is a huge one.
00:15:47
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Being able to say, okay, I think I i really am ready for the change. I'm ready for a change. What can I do? Where do I go? And in today's world, Michael, there's no excuse because we've got a billion-dollar industry in the bookstores, which is called ah the personal development section.
00:16:03
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You've got courses, you've got classes, you've got meetup groups, you've got the internet, you've got YouTubes. There's all kinds of ways that you can, with very little money or no money at all, you know learn how to be the better version of yourself.
00:16:16
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The key there, you know, and therein lies the conundrum, is really wanting to do it and really putting in the work. Yes, and an awful lot of what you've just described, I would say, yes, it all exists.
00:16:28
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It is a huge industry. Sometimes getting involved in those sorts of things means a big step outside of our comfort zones. Oh, heck yes. Going to a class, going into going and being seen in that self-improvement section.
00:16:43
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There's all sorts of things that can be the reasons why we don't want to do that. And that is a symbol, I suppose, or a symptom of the low self-esteem in itself. Yes. Not having the confidence to do something that you really want to do.
00:16:57
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So let's for a moment think about that person who is sitting at home, who I hope is listening to this and thinking, Yeah, it all sounds very easy, but I don't want to go to a class. I don't want to meet other people in the same situation. i need something that can get me started. What would you say to the person who's thinking, I need something that will get me started without me having to expose myself to other people? What would be the thing that they should do?
00:17:28
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there There certainly is an importance when you're ready for that for support groups and those sorts of things, support friends, whatever you want to call it. there's When you're ready for that, you know that is going to be of great help to you as well. But I think one of the most important things is get the book, sit down and read it.
00:17:42
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Do the work, be ready to journal, be ready to get real with yourself. And here's another thing that I think is really very important, and that is getting very clear about your value system. And a lot of times when I talk about value systems, people really, they just don't even know what values are really. So give us an example then of what and the value would be.
00:18:01
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It's your blueprint in life, Michael. It's who you are and how you present every day, any day, in any situation. And this is what I had coined for myself. And anyone can take it. I'll be happy to share it as well. And and you can create your own.
Value System: The High Road
00:18:16
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I take what is called the high road.
00:18:20
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It's honesty, integrity, gratitude, and honor. And so with every relationship that I have, I will be not only honestly you know ah ah radically honest with myself, but with others.
00:18:32
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I believe in living in integrity, which is extremely important to me. I love the ah you know the gratitude word. If you can't come up with 10 at the top of your head right now, you really need to sit down and write those out. What am I what am i thankful for today?
00:18:46
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With all the chaos in the world, with all the difficulty that I may be going through in my life, with all of that, all of that sit down and write down the 10 things that you are grateful for. And that's a great place to start. And then honor. Honor is something that we you know we normally use as, think that it's more of a military term, but it really, really isn't.
00:19:03
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So let's get back to honesty. you know it's the word you know The most important thing you will ever give to anyone, Michael, is your word. yes It's your word. Think about betrayal trauma. Think about how being betrayed either by words or by actions, they are so extremely painful.
00:19:19
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to to whom you know you're doing it to. So honesty is one of those kind of things that also are you being truthful with yourself. Because a naked truth is better than ah the best dressed lie. If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember yeah what you've said because you're only going to tell the truth. If you tell a lie, there's a lot of truth in that you then have to tell another lie to cover up the lie.
00:19:41
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And it's a never ending circle. Integrity, again, it's your moral principles, right? And the moral code, it's the distinction between what's right and wrong and what is good and bad behavior.
00:19:53
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So I asked this question, and and I think your listeners would really, I'd love for them to just sort of in their head, who do you become when you don't get what you want? oh yes, that is that is quite a question which I have never heard before.
00:20:07
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But that is a question. Yeah. if you're up professing If you're out there professing your moral compass and you live in integrity and okay, well, good. Well, that's great. Who are you then?
00:20:18
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Well, you don't get what you want. Yes. Because it's really, it's a commitment to effort you're up to ethical decision-making. Let's put it that way. So you want to be to promote your personal and collective wellbeing, right?
00:20:32
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And it's really kind of more like your moral uprightness for mental health, for your emotional stability, and for also in the workplace. And I will tell you this, Michael, and I say it with with great pride.
00:20:43
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You know how sometimes you've you've seen these assessments that they send around in different you know settings and whatever else. And people will take these pages and they assess you. There's a hundred different you know, words on the on this page and yet they have to pick out five that they think best fit you. yes I am happy, happy, happy to say that the one word that always came up for me, number one, was integrity. It's the person who says what they're going to do and then does what they've said they're going to do.
00:21:11
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Do what you say you're going to do. yeah And then we have gratitude. you know Going back to the high road, we've done the H and the I. The G is gratitude. So drop and give me five. That ought to be just automatic, I believe. yeah And then honor. Here's the one thing I have under the honor umbrella. Loyalty is when you have my back behind my back. yeah And that is so powerful.
00:21:31
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Or when I have your back behind your back. And I take i use the water cooler analogy there. When everybody's at the water cooler sort of dishing on Susie Q. and you know how horrible she is and somebody if somebody will walk up into that group and say you know i know suzy q and you know she's got her quirks but is she really all that horrible because i think the best thing we could do for suzy q is maybe just give her a hug in other words break that pack mentality walk in drop your little bomb and walk away
00:22:01
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And what you've done there is you've made everyone else probably stop a minute, think about, well, maybe I should. That's really probably not the best thing to do is sit around gossiping about everybody. I mean, I would like to think that you would plant a little seed in everyone else that would possibly make them want to think a little bit. you know yes that One of the four agreements is be impeccable with your word. yeah And that is really what honor is all about too. I'm an HR professional, so that water cooler moment where and you go up and somebody is saying something. Oh, okay. I will use the line, that's gossip, or that sounds like it's gossip to me.
00:22:39
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I don't do gossip. Bring me facts, but don't bring me an opinion. Bring me facts. Yes, exactly. Very good. yeah If you are going to share some gossip about somebody. Perfect. Don't bring me an opinion.
00:22:52
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you have to accept the fact that what you're saying might not actually be a fact and you wouldn't like somebody to say something to gossip about you. The people who gossip the most are the ones who really don't want to be gossiped about. but But gossip is and unsubstantiated opinions with no evidence behind them and very rarely done from a positive perspective. and indeed And then the last part of honor, Michael, is just say what you're going to do and do what you're going and do what you say.
00:23:22
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You know, I mean, it's really quite simple. I think it's we we tend to complicate our lives much more than it need be. And I think that's a ah huge part. And then, of course, you know, we talk about honoring our parents. And that's very difficult in a lot of different case scenarios as well.
00:23:36
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But if you step back and you think that 98% of who we are and what we think was wrong with us is what was we were told by our parents, we have to step back and understand that it's not about us it's about them and it's about moving past their dysfunction it's about what they believed about themselves and what they projected onto you so going back to what i said in the beginning michael where it's our sacred duty to do the work this is where i say the toxic stops here
00:24:09
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It stops with me. It stops with the work I'm ready to do. It stops with how courageous I am going to be. It stops with, I'm not afraid of anything anymore because you we brought up fear in this, in again, in this podcast.
Embracing Failure and Gratitude
00:24:22
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And failure, here's my, here's the analogy on the, yeah sorry, the acronym on failure, Michael, is my first attempt in learning. First attempt in learning.
00:24:33
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And be ready to fail. Celebrate the failures. They are not always something negative and something horrible. It's one your failure is one failure is one step closer to success.
00:24:44
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I think that's really, really important to to understand when we get to those. four pillars when we get to the value system. and When you say, well, what would you suggest to someone?
00:24:54
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Get the book, do the work. and i Look, it doesn't have to be my book. I just offer people to get to that point in their lives where they understand that there's a there may be a much better life they could be living should they really put themselves into question and do the work. We have to accept, I suppose, that the first time that you try something, it will be a first attempt in learning.
00:25:15
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That we have to accept that yeah we will have some successes and there will be some… I use the analogy, the first light bulb, the first car that Ford brought off the you know the assembly line, the first anything, Michael. Takes time.
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It's part of the process, isn't it? We're always work in progress. I don't care if you know you're 102. You're still a work in progress. One of the advantages being a human being is that we we always have the ability to change ourselves if we choose to.
00:25:41
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Yes, of course. You mentioned in the ah high, the G is for gratitude. You mentioned that you were grateful for the temperature today in Phoenix, Arizona. It's a bit cooler, but what else?
00:25:53
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You also asked me about the book. And and i just to to close that up a second, just that thought, the book, yes, it's it's it's a book. it's ah It's not a read. It's a do. It's a manual. And for me, the self-esteem regime is a mission and a movement.
00:26:07
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Here's what I'm grateful for. have a roof over my head. I have the sunshine outside. I have a beautiful blanket you know covering me and keeping me warm all night long while I slept beautifully and had lovely dreams. I have a family that loves me. i have very, very good close friends.
00:26:21
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I have food in my pantry all day, every day, on any given day. I've got clean running water. And I've got a lovely podcast that I'm a part of right now, and I've gotten to speak with you today. That's great.
00:26:33
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Thank you very much. Yeah, because I'm thinking about all the things I'm grateful for. I could tick a lot of the boxes that you've ticked there, so that's all a good thing. But I am very grateful for the time that you spent with me today and making such an interesting episode of Fit for My Age.
00:26:50
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Clarissa Burke, thank you very much. Thank you, Michael. Thank you. I am Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abucida, and in this episode of Fit for My Age, I have been having a conversation with Clarissa Burt, the author of The Self-Esteem Regime.
00:27:06
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You can find out more about both of us at abucida.co.uk. There is a link in the description. I must remember to thank the team at matchmaker.fm for introducing me to Clarissa.
00:27:19
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If you are a podcaster looking for interesting guests, or if, like Clarissa, you have something very interesting to say, matchmaker.fm is where matches of great hosts and great guests are made.
00:27:33
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There is a link to matchmaker.fm and an offer code in the description. The description also includes links to various different websites that we've mentioned in this episode of Fit For My Age and various different places where you can purchase Clarissa's book, The Self-Esteem Regime.
00:27:51
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00:28:16
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Until the next episode of Fit For My Age, thank you for listening and goodbye.