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Understanding ADHD - a conversation with ADHD Coach Laurence Pratt
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Laurence Pratt is a business coach who works with entrepreneurs and small businesses.
Laurence is also a specialist coach for people with ADHD. He helps people to work with their ADHD to become the best version of themselves and achieve their personal career ambitions.
In this episode of the Abeceder podcast Fit For My Age Laurence explains to host Michael Millward what ADHD is and how an ADHD brain functions differently to a neuro typical brain the relationship between the gut and the brain to host Michael Millward.
Michael and Laurence discuss what colleagues of people with ADHD can do to make the lives of an ADHD colleague and their own working day easier.
They also discuss what an employer can do to make employing someone with ADHD easier for them and the person with ADHD.
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Introduction to Fit for My Age Podcast
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Hello and welcome to Fit for My Age, the health and wellbeing podcast from Abysida. I'm your host, Michael Millward, Managing Director of Abysida.
Meet Lawrence Pratt: ADHD Coach and Trainer
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Today, my guest is Lawrence Pratt. Lawrence is an ADHD coach and personal trainer. As the jingle at the start of this podcast says, Fit for My Age is made on Zencastr.
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Podcast Goals: Encouraging Thought
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On Fit For My Age, we don't tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think. Today my guest who I met on matchmaker.fm is Lawrence Pratt.
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Lawrence is an ADHD coach and personal trainer.
Lawrence's Journey: From UX Designer to ADHD Coach
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He helps people with ADHD to achieve their goals, getting them moving and motivating and beating procrastination.
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Lawrence is based in London, which I know is a very expensive place to visit. So when I visit London, I make my travel arrangements with the Ultimate Travel Club, because that is where I can access trade prices on flights, hotels and holidays.
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You'll find a link and a membership discount code in the description. Now that I've paid the rent, it is time to make this episode of Fit for My Age. Hello Lawrence.
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Hi, how are doing Michael? I am doing extremely well, thank you very much and I hope that you can say the same. Yeah. Let's start by you telling us a little bit about who Lawrence Pratt is. I was a UX designer and UX researcher for 12 or so years.
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What is a UX designer and researcher? So the UX part means user experience. So any any product you use, whether it be digital or any contact that you have with ah with a business, you are the user as the customer and your experience is something that the business will want to in ensure is as smooth and frictionless as possible in order to make your experience better. so when a website frustrates us doesn't do what we expect it to do you're the person who would then identify why people were leaving a webshop for example without having purchased anything yeah exactly yeah but i would i noticed that i was finding more and more challenges with my life as they went on i was
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reaching burnout on a number of occasions. And I was went on ah on a journey of trying to figure out what was going on and how I could improve my life. So you'd reached the point more often than you were comfortable with where you were just exhausted and that led you to reviewing life and deciding what to do next.
Understanding ADHD: Personal and Scientific Insights
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I'd become interested in lots of different things, which is a very typical ADHD trait.
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I could see a life that I wanted to have, but I couldn't bring myself to take the next step. And this carried on for a long time. So I went to see a therapist to discuss this, you know, why i was procrastination such an issue for me? It was then it was first mentioned that it was possible that I might have ADHD, but I didn't know what ADHD was.
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So I just poo-pooed that a little bit and then carried on. But it was only until I started looking into it for sort of family members. Then all of a sudden some light bulbs started to to flash and say, hang on, this is me.
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What i found is with a lot of people with ADHD that get diagnosed later on is they have they find this sort of missing piece that explains everything. And it's sort of like a life-changing moment where you go, ah, now I finally understand. When we talk about understanding, please can we understand what ADHD stands for and what it is? The ADHD is attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, but that's not necessarily a very good name for it.
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If I can, i I'm going to yeah use some metaphors to to try and explain how the brain works in everybody and then and then explain what the difference is with ADHD. Okay, great.
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There's a couple of popular books. ah One is Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman. And the other is The Chimp Paradox by Professor Stephen Peters. And what they essentially illustrate to us in in those books is in the brain, in the human brain, we have two systems that control our thinking and actions.
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They're basically two systems that can drive the brain at any one time. System one is the fast brain. Professor Stephen Peters calls this the chimp brain.
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And this is essentially... the part of the brain that we have had with us the longest, you know, evolutionary, we share it with the chimps and all sort of primates because it's it's we've evolved with it.
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And that part of that system of the brain deals with all our instinctual behavior. So, you know, ah fight, flight and freeze mechanisms to keep us safe. But it's also where we store all our habitual behaviors, anything that we've learned over time that becomes like allows us to do things on autopilot.
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And the reason it's called the fast brain is because it's very effective with its energy consumption and it can do everything without thinking, essentially our subconscious. The system two, our slow brain, is what we have as humans evolved to have as humans, which controls all our executive functioning. So problem solving, planning ahead, emotional regulation.
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But the reason that's called the slow brain is because it takes up a lot of energy, a lot of fuel. I suppose when you say then that the the fast brain doesn't take up much energy, but it's not having to think much because it's instinctive things.
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The slow brain takes up energy because that's the things that... we think We spend time thinking about, we spend time learning, we spend time having to remember. And that's where the actual brain does its work. yes The fast brain is instinct and the slow brain is learnt behaviours. And I suppose the thinking process is as we learn something new.
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Well, yeah. So one one example I use is when we learn to drive, So if you're learning to drive, this is going to be a new ah skill that you need to learn. you and And so in your first few lessons, when you're learning how to drive, it's very tiring because your brain is working so hard.
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But, you know, you pass your test in a year down the line. you fight you notice that you've probably driven on holiday down the motorway for a long period of time. And then you probably think, well, I didn't actually actually think about what I was doing half the time because it was on autopilot.
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And that illustrates a skill that has transferred from ah you know system two into system one. Yes, I see what you mean. So so that's that's essentially how we all our brains work. Now, the issue with ADHD is is when we talk about ah system two having, you know, taking up a lot of energy, we we only have a certain amount of of juice per day to fuel that that system.
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and I think imagine like a bucket that's got a slow leak in it that that's fueled with dopamine essentially. So if we've had a good night's sleep, it should top up. Um, and, uh, we, we use that field to do all our, our, uh, executive function and thinking now with ADHD, the way the brain is wired, they have, um, a reduced amount of dopamine receptors that fill that bucket up.
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Uh, and there can be up to a 30%, uh, percent ah developmental delay in in those systems operating in the brain. And so if you think about, to use the driving analogy again, when you're when you're driving your car and you're low on fuel, um what will happen is the the fuel gauge, the light will come on and it and and it may beep and the driver automatically then thinks, oh, I'm going to run out of petrol here. I need to where am I going to go and get some fuel from?
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and And because ah someone with ADHD has ah less efficient way of restoring dopamine to the brain, we're constantly driving around with that fuel light flashing.
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And that's telling our brain that we need to get dopamine from somewhere. So the driver is constantly thinking, where am I going to get dopamine from? rather than thinking about where they're heading. So if you to expand that to to real life, it's like when you've you've got a goal that you're trying to achieve, you know, what's the journey, where we're trying to get to,
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Instead of thinking about that in a logical way all the time, you're constantly thinking, where am I going to find some ah fuel from? And that is the distraction part of the ADHD is your brain.
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An ADHD brain is interest based. It's constantly looking from the dopamine from novelty or something new, a distraction, which can cause lots of issues.
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So the challenge has its origins and lower levels of a chemical that then alters the way in which the brain works, which then changes someone's behavior.
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right And I think the important thing to think is, is because there's not enough fuel to activate system two, the the human brain, to to utilize all that problem solving, emotional regulation, um time management,
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It means we're more often in the chimp brain, which is, as we said before, it's it's more instinctual and more reactive to fight, flight or freeze. The sense of danger that we feel in in modern life isn't about you know whether we're going to get attacked by lion or something.
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It's usually, have we got a presentation coming up? Am I going to fail at it? You know, we we get the fear comes from that. And so any anything that we need to use our executive functions for, to plan for, prepare for, we get triggered emotionally by thinking, I'm going to embarrass myself here by, you know, failing or whatever.
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That will cause the fight, flight and freeze. reactions of the chimp brain, which means procrastination is one of those, like freezing or of running away, essentially. When you talk about procrastination, is and you're talking about driving, is that if somebody has ADHD, they would be constantly worried about where they're going to get the fuel.
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So the procrastination comes in, correct me if I'm wrong, would be well you wouldn't get in the car to make the journey because you don't know whether you'll be able to get to your destination without running out fuel yeah you you put off doing something because you cannot see the end point so to speak so what's the point in starting yes i mean ah so essentially the the the chimp brain is is trying to protect us from the danger And its behavior is to say, well, let's let's let's just keep out of the way of it and and just avoid it at all costs.
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Whereas ADHD is an interest-focused nervous system, a neurotypical brain is more importance-based ah nervous system. so You know, on a typical day, someone who's neurotypical will say, well, what what is the most important thing I need to do today that is going to reduce my stress and and and get things going?
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And they'll probably find the energy to do that because they've got enough energy in their executive functioning system to brain to be able to deal with that.
Managing ADHD: Personal Impact and Strategies
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You know, the ADHD brain finds it difficult. You talked about the day that you got the diagnosis that you have ADHD was like a light bulb moment.
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can you explain a little bit more about that, please? Yes. so I mean, I'd spent quite a number of years sort of noticing the challenges were growing in my life. So I had, you know, as a designer, I'd always been trying to um design solutions for these things. But it was a bit like whack-a-mole. You know, I was focusing on one little issue that came up and and trying to ah design little solutions for that.
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But then I was noticing that, that you know, it challenge somewhere else and trying to come up with solutions to that. And the light bulb moment was, I suppose, understanding what ADHD was, how that was affecting the decisions I was making and really understanding that that it was an umbrella covering every, I mean, you know, my brain controls what I do. So if I understand that the way in which my brain is working and, and,
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you know, the actions that I take and how they're they're happening. It basically gave me the information to understand what I needed to do in order to try and manage or improve those challenges that I was having.
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So it was the missing piece that allowed me to figure out what was going on and sort of devise a way forward. It doesn't sound like a really strange thing to so say or to ask, but knowing that you'd got ADHD,
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did that then mean that you were in the right type of job or did it mean you were in the wrong type of job it's it's a good question i i mean i i enjoyed the job that i i did i mean i typically the way adhd brains are are wired that means they're very that you know a typical trait is to be very creative you you find a lot of people with adhd in the in the creative industries, entertainment industries, is because their brain is looking for novelty all the time. It's moot working very quickly to spot things. and And you find that people will, because they're distracted all the time and become sort of hyper-focused on new novel things,
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They tend to learn a lot of a lot about a lot of things, but then never really pursue it. What that means is that there's a lot of surface level knowledge in an ADHD brain that allows them to connect the dots.
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If you're having a conversation with somebody with ADHD, they might be able to go, oh, that's a bit like that and connect dots that maybe a lot of people won't see. It's why you see a lot of entrepreneurs. in the ADHD community because they're able to see opportunities.
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The challenge comes in with following through with the sort of, once you dig down into then delivering that, it becomes quite boring and the and the novelty wears off and and they'll end up giving up. so To enable to succeed in certain jobs, you've got to be able to have the support around you to be able to fill in the gaps, essentially. So if you're going to be a successful entrepreneur with ADHD, you've got to acknowledge that you're going to need people around you to do the things that you're going to find more challenging.
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What I was finding with my job was, is I didn't know that I had these challenges, but I was aware of, I found things difficult. But it in the in society that we we live in today, the things that I was having challenges with, I perceived as, well, this is what all adults are able to do. They're all able to turn up to things on time.
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do their accounts, this, that, and the other. So it's it's it's, in essence, feeling like you're not normal. And and you you end up working extra hard at these things to, you know, longer hours trying to do the things that everybody else finds quite straightforward, that you end up investing so much time in trying to look normal, that you then stop doing the things that you're actually really, really good at.
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And and and it's that's what leads to burnout, essentially. The whole sort of trying to be something that you're not is what creates the exhaustion. Yeah. For me, it made a lot of sense. I mean, the for the last 12 years, I was sort of deep into design thinking techniques. And and so whenever I'd start a project with a client, I, for me personally, in order for me to explain how we were going to tackle ah problems,
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challenges that they had. i I needed to you know illustrate those visually. And and if you have been in a room with a design thinker or a UX designer, you can see that post-it notes are the king. yes and and and And that's a way for me to get my thoughts out of my head because Because the brain is working so fast and and and it's not able to regulate or rationalize the the information that it's processing because of the the executive function challenges, it ends up not being able to process information because it's thinking about so many different things.
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So externalising your thinking, visualising it, allows you to sort of see it, ah see your thought process. So that helps pick someone with ADHD. But if you're working with a client in a collaborative sense, to to get everybody's thoughts out and then and and collectively understand what what the situation is, the lay of the land, it's good to visualise it. So so what works what works in sort of a design thinking project in visualizing the problem and and thinking externally, I found was very good for someone with ADHD. You'll quite often hear people saying they're a visual learner and and that's because they sort of probably have some challenges with processing information inside their brain.
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So would someone with ADHD be asked the question, provide a really great answer. And then somebody says, can you say that again? And the person with ADHD might be able to say, no, I can't because I don't know what I've said.
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Well, I think it's a typical ADHD answer would be, and you, you're probably thinking this listening to is, is to provide context for every part, every part of the answer that they ah introduce.
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They think, oh, I need to explain why I've just said that, which is why i i tend to say, I don't talk in straight lines because ah For every bit that I say, I think I need to provide all the context to that and I'll wander off at tangents and then forget why I was trying to explain what I was trying to explain.
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and So, yeah, if you try to get them to repeat it, think it's ah is a big challenge. you they The answer to the first question in this conversation was a metaphor, an analogy. Yes, and visual, yeah. And that's the sort of thing that someone with ADHD is more likely to do than someone who isn't ADHD because you might just get a very factual answer from someone who's not ADHD. But from an ADHD person, you're going to get a much more illustrated, perhaps much more entertaining type answer.
00:19:24
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And I think also in terms of receiving the information as well. So if we think about, I mean, our understanding of ADHD is changing now. The more the more people we, ah you know, sort of more research is going into into females having ADHD, for example, because Earlier on in in sort of ADHD, it was only boys at school that were sort of disruptive, that were studied.
00:19:47
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And so usually what you'd find is that that disruption came from, first of all, that they they needed this hyperactivity that they couldn't sit still. So they were being um you know told off for that.
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But the way that they were processing information that was just being spoken verbally to them, in an abstract way, they weren't understanding it. so So basically that's the chimp going, I don't understand this. I'm going to get something wrong if I'm asked anything and I'm going to be socially sort of embarrassed and fail.
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So the reaction to that is it typically in young boys was was the emotional one, the fight. And so you're you're you're getting told off because you're not sitting still. you You fear that you're going to get asked a question you don't know the answer to because you've not received the information properly. And it and it turns out to be outbursts. and And then you get labeled as a naughty child and you essentially don't fit into the teaching style that we want to, that everybody, you know, everybody else in the class is being delivered for it to be the most efficient experience for the rest of the class. So you don't fit in here and and that's what they take with them. And,
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And, and there's a, there's a psychological element to ADHD is constantly building up these negative labels to who you are and the things that you can do or can't seem to do.
00:21:06
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And whilst you might be able to improve the dopamine delivery system, either through medication or or living a better lifestyle, it doesn't necessarily tackle the psychological labels that you've built up throughout your life. And if you've get If you get diagnosed later on in life, you've developed all these negative labels without knowing what it was.
00:21:26
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So that takes them a lot longer to unravel as well. I get the feeling that being diagnosed later in life means that you have the baggage of criticism for things which nobody took the time to understand, and then you can understand them.
00:21:41
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You've got to get rid of that baggage. But also that if you are diagnosed while at school, I'm not even comfortable using the word diagnosed in some ways because it's just, like you say, the brain is wired slightly differently.
00:21:54
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It's diagnosed seems a little bit of the harsh word. Identified might be a better word to use. If you're identified earlier in life, then perhaps that can actually pigeonhole you a little bit more than might actually be necessary.
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Yeah, ah definitely. i mean, if you if you think back, I mean, I'm going to go way back. You know, it's only since, you know, the Industrial Revolution that we've, you know, that the Industrial Revolution led to education being provided for all so that we could filter people into channels for the working world. But that's essentially where those boxes that we all, you know, that we were put into to say, right, you're you fit for this type of work, you fit for this type of work.
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And it's only since that we have built our society around that as being normal or typical that we've assumed that the typical so typical way to be is neurotypical because that that's what feeds the system.
00:22:55
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But for thousands and thousands years, that wasn't the case. You know, when we were hunters and gatherers, being neurodiverse or hypervigilant or being able to hyperfocus on a specific thing when you're hunting on a trail...
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You know, all these sort of ADHD traits would have been very, very useful. It's fitting into the way we work now yeah that is the challenge. Very much so.
Supporting ADHD in the Workplace
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When you talk about work, so with my HR hat on, for example, somebody new comes into an organization and they say, oh, by the way, I have ADHD to their colleagues. What are the things that a colleague of someone with ADHD can do to make work the working day easier for everyone?
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First of all, for somebody who is working with someone with ADHD, understanding what it is, because I think people get negatively labeled as, oh, they're just lazy or... Difficult. You know, they're constantly distracted all the time. Yeah, it's a negative it's a negative label. And I think if we just understand it and and understand what strengths somebody with ADHD can bring to the table and understand what challenges they can have as well,
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Just that level of understanding, first of all, is a place to start from. But typical challenges that will happen for an ADHD person is communication, the way things are communicated. So we've not talked about rejection. some There's something called RSD, which is rejection sensitive dysphoria.
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That is essentially ah very acute sense of rejection that can feel sort of very overwhelming or even physical to ah an actual reaction rejection that has happened or a perceived perceived rejection that hasn't happened, but you'll still feel this overwhelming sense of rejection.
00:24:46
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So for example, if if you if you're the boss of of someone with ADHD and you said, oh, ah can we have a chat? And you don't disclose what that chat is about. they will automatically think, I'm going to get fired. On the negative side of everything.
00:25:00
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Yes, because the chimp is fearing what's going to happen and try and protect you um and sort of shut down, receive the information emotionally. So the way we deliver communication can be quite important.
00:25:13
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If you're in meetings, but a setting an agenda before the meeting to say what is going to happen in the meeting is very useful because they can prepare for it. but also making sure that it's clear what the action steps are after the meeting.
00:25:29
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Because if it's very ambiguous, they'll panic that they don't know what they're doing. Ambiguous can ah lead you to sort of trigger procrastination or a fear of not being able to perform properly.
00:25:43
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It sounds a little bit like as managers, as colleagues, we need to understand the people that we're working with and then adapt our own behavior so that it builds the best relationship with other people.
00:25:56
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And as a manager, ah leader, we do things in ways which are going to get the best response from people. In order to make life simple, one of the first things that has to happen is you have to be aware that someone is ADHD, that the brain is wired differently, as you said.
00:26:13
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But that means that the person with ADHD has to disclose disclose it to other people. Have you any hints, tips, ideas for that person in that situation wanting to go through that process of telling other people at work they have been identified as having ADHD? Yeah, sure. Well, first of all, the the act of disclosing can be a very sort of anxiety inducing one because you don't necessarily know unless unless the the company that you're working for has beforehand put into you know researched it and and declared you know we we have a process for uh neurodiverse disclosing or you know we've got a system for being able to a process for being able to ah facilitate accommodations
00:27:05
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The person who's disclosing that they've got ADHD may be fearful of what the reaction may be, because they might think, oh, you know, we're going to cost the company money you know by getting ah support in various different ways.
00:27:17
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That might not go down well. People might think that I'm lazy after, you know. and So there's a lot of this is what I'm talking about. The RSD is perceiving a rejection that hasn't actually happened yet, which can then spiral.
00:27:29
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ah the ADHD symptoms and make things worse. In order to get some of that support beforehand, there is something that's called Access to Work in the UK, which is something that you can apply for.
00:27:42
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um And that um has lots of good information about how you can disclose your ADHD at work. oh But they can also offer financial support through a grant for specific things that will help. So It sounds like from what you were saying that somebody with ADHD might just like to have a whiteboard that they can write things on to to help explain the processes that they're going through. They can have something where it's acceptable to just draw it out as they're describing it Exactly. the The most important thing is
00:28:17
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knowledge and understanding of of the situation. But if you're diagnosed later on in life, it may be quite difficult to understand what it is that you do need. your You're aware that you've had these challenges, but you're not necessarily whereon aware of what would help initially.
00:28:34
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But it sounds like one of the best things to do is to not keep it to yourself, to make sure that you can get the help and the support. Right. You know, Lawrence, our time is all too short when there is such an interesting and important subject as this.
00:28:51
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ah The time flies, but I am very grateful for the time that you've spent with me today. I have learned an awful lot. Thank you very much. ah Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. I am Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abbasida.
00:29:05
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And in this episode of Fit for My Age, I have been having a conversation with Lawrence Pratt, an ADHD coach and personal trainer. You can find out more about both Lawrence Pratt and me at abucida.co.uk.
00:29:21
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00:29:35
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