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Understanding Fertility - a conversation with Claire Innes the Fertility Mentor
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Claire Innes is The Fertility Mentor, and founder of The Fertility Mentor.
In her role Claire shares the fertility journey of couples who are experiencing challenges in either conceiving a child and carrying that child to full term.
Claire is a practically minded mentor who helps her clients navigate how the vagaries of the fertility world and treatment processes.
In this episode of the Abeceder health and wellbeing podcast Fit For My Age Claire and host Michael Millward discuss a wide range of fertility related issues. Their conversation covers
- Ensuring Egg quality
- Chromosome health
- Diets that help fertility
- Supplements to take
- Miscarriages
- The impact on men
- The role of men in supporting expectant mothers
Find out more about Michael Millward and Claire Innes at Abeceder.co.uk.
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Overview
00:00:05
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Made on Zencastr. Hello and welcome to Fit For My Age, the health and wellbeing podcast from Abysida. I am your host, Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abysida.
00:00:20
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Today, my guest is Claire Innes, who is the fertility mentor. As the jingle at the start of this podcast says, fit for my age is made on Zencastr.
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Zencastr is the all-in-one podcasting platform on which you can make your podcast in one place and then distribute it to the major platform. It really does make making podcasts so easy.
00:00:47
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00:01:00
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Now that I have told you how wonderful Zencastr is for making podcasts, we should make one. One that will be well worth listening to, liking, downloading, and subscribing to.
Claire Innes on Fertility Mentoring
00:01:12
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Very importantly, On Fit For My Age, we don't tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think. Today, my guest, who I met on matchmaker.fm, is Claire Innes, who is the fertility mentor.
00:01:28
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Claire deals with the science of fertility and helps women to conceive and carry healthy babies. When Claire was introduced to me by matchmaker.fm, she was described as a Glaswegian misfit who loves helping women get pregnant.
00:01:43
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Glasgow is a great place and well worth a visit. When I visit Glasgow, I always make my travel arrangements through the Ultimate Travel Club because at the Ultimate Travel Club, I get trade prices on all sorts of travel-related purchases, flights, hotels, and all sorts.
00:01:58
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There is a link and a membership discount code in the description. Claire has promised me a myth-busting conversation about fertility. I suspect that there are quite a lot of myths.
00:02:12
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It is worth saying upfront that although I am sure Claire will share some interesting information and some funny tales, fertility for many people is a sensitive issue.
00:02:24
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Endings are not always happy ones. And there may also be some truly heartbreaking stories. Hello, Claire. Hello, Michael. Thank you for having me.
00:02:34
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It's great but to have you here. really appreciate <unk> finding the time to share some information on what is a really important issue and very significant part of being fit for my age.
00:02:48
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Please could we start by you telling us a little bit about who Claire is? I'm a Glaswegian misfit, as you know. And I use the word misfit because my business doesn't really fit in with what you would typically think of when you think of a fertility business.
00:03:04
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So I like to kind of challenge convention. i like to very much keep it real. I'm not all about telling people that everything's going to be all right and wrapping people up in cotton wool.
00:03:15
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There's definitely a place for that in the industry, but it's not with me. So my big vibe is helping women take control of the things that they are in control of.
00:03:27
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For example, their nutrition, their lifestyle choices, their stress levels, their exercise, even their supplements. and helping them make big changes based on that.
00:03:42
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I do work with women all over the world. Some women are very wealthy. Some women don't have access to healthcare at all.
Fertility Challenges and Myths
00:03:51
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So my big ethos is working with women from where they are right now and helping them to make very real change to their chances of conceiving and carrying full term for a lot of my clients.
00:04:06
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conceiving isn't the issue it's actually carrying until they can actually have a baby yeah and it is absolutely the best job career choice in the world it is so rewarding on a great day it's the best day ever and on a ah really bad day you're still helping people at their darkest time yeah so i absolutely absolutely love it From what you described there, it seems like you take a very comprehensive type of approach, but also a very practical approach.
00:04:37
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And yeah, I would say that's very comprehensive. So with my clients, I work on nutrition, balancing their hormones, their workouts, their stressors, their sources of joy, their routine, the equipment that's in their kitchen.
00:04:55
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It's very comprehensive. And everything I do, can be backed by scientific studies that show not only is it relevant, but it works. If you're having difficulties conceiving, then what you're saying is it's all about looking at life in the round and working out what you are doing or what you might be doing that is actually impeding your ability to conceive.
00:05:21
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Yeah, I wouldn't say that it's all about that because, of course, in some situations there will be medication needed, there might be assistive reproductive technology needed.
00:05:32
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But where I come in as optimizing those chances. So whether someone is trying naturally or whether they're trying with IVA for IUI, I u i ah will look at where they are right now and see where we can make improvements.
00:05:49
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For the most part, that's when it comes to what we call egg quality. But egg quality and lifestyle are the two big things. that the women themselves are completely in control of and that they can make a change to without the need for a prescription or you know tens of thousands of dollars worth of treatment.
00:06:09
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How many people who want to conceive are experiencing difficulties with conception? How big a problem is this? like The real answer is nobody knows because nobody, with us with so many things in fertility, is not being tracked as well as it should be.
00:06:28
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Most recent estimations are that one in five couples will experience infertility after one year. So one in five couples who have been trying at the right time for a year still will not have had a baby.
Emotional Impact of Infertility
00:06:44
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What that statistic isn't taking into account, of course, is the many couples who have been trying for 10 years, nine years, eight years, the lesbian people but it couples or individuals women who are trying on their own to know the number of people in the world who are affected ah genuinely have no idea i think the most recent estimation was 186 million though that's a lot of people so if you are consciously trying to conceive and haven't managed to do that within 12 months of trying then you fit into the category
00:07:19
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I suppose if you've been trying to do something for a year and it hasn't worked, that's when you also start to feel the problems, the challenges of coming to terms with with that fact that you've been trying and it hasn't worked.
00:07:34
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I imagine that the first thing that impacts people is their mental health. yeah but don't Yeah, i mean, you mentioned managing stress as a way of improving fertility. But when you are worried about your fertility, that's going to increase your stress anyway. It's like it's a double-edged sword. And then there's so many other factors that come into it. So I can only really speak from the female's perspective because yeah I only work with women. But the mental health aspect, if you could only imagine. so
00:08:04
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women are typically more prone to blame themselves for things anyway. And historically, infertility has always been thought of as a woman's issue, which it's absolutely not, by the way.
00:08:16
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Again, that's another conversation. So it is not abnormal at all for a woman to get to this one-year point or even the nine-month point whenever her menstrual cycle arrives.
00:08:27
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And the language in her head is probably, I've failed again. It's not worked again. But they have a tendency to blame themselves, whether anyone else is blaming them or not.
00:08:40
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Then you add on to that if you're dealing with you know depression or low mood, one of the first things that goes out at the door is libido. So then you're less likely to want to have sex in your fertile window and then that can just become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's very common if you are struggling with mental health and don't forget as well with fertility it's very rare that we know what the actual problem is.
00:09:07
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So if we go to a doctor with an illness, we're always taught, you know, don't argue with the doctor. The doctor knows best. Let the doctor check you and then the doctor will fix you. I mean, I'm from a working class family. That's how I've been brought up.
00:09:21
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When it comes to fertility, you can often be up to a year before you're referred to the right people. That's if your doctor is on your side and wants you to be referred Sometimes there can be you know a bit of a conversation about getting the referral in the first place. Very often in a fertility journey, you will not find out what the problem is.
00:09:42
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So this is a diagnosis that's known as unexplained infertility. Sperm has been checked, fallopian chips have been checked, everything has been checked and they can't find out what the issue is.
00:09:56
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I wish I could find the words to describe for you and your listeners, Michael. frustration and lack of hope that comes with a diagnosis of an unexplained infertility because if you don't know what's wrong how on earth are you going fix it just left in limbo it's very much left in like limbo when there's a diagnosis of unexplained infertility that's normally your health provider
Optimizing Fertility Through Lifestyle
00:10:20
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over here at the NHS saying we don't know what's wrong over to you so it kind of feels like they're washing their hands off you as well
00:10:29
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So can you imagine how isolating that would be when you feel like you can't give your husband a baby, you can't give your mum a grandchild, all of your friends are having babies and nobody has got time to do anything with you anymore. All you want is that baby. You can be in a group of friends who have changed, their lives have changed completely and you no longer fit in.
00:10:52
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That's one of the things that make you feel isolated. Absolutely, yeah. And there's also the aspect of you haven't changed, it's everyone else that's changed and kind of left you behind.
00:11:04
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So feeling left behind is a big thing that comes up in trying to conceive or infertility communities as well. It's like someone somewhere has hit pause for you and you have to experience and watch, celebrate everyone else's lives move on.
00:11:22
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And you're stuck. But yours isn't and you don't know if it will. Let's move on to some of the things that you have helped people to do in order to improve their chances of conceiving a child. Yeah, one of the things is this egg quality issue.
00:11:36
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Tell me more. Egg quality, I truly can't believe that everyone isn't talking about it. So if we go back 10, 15 years, and I'm sure you've heard all of the kind of old wives tales and statements as well, you know, like the biological clocks ticking, you do it never you might not be able to do it the old kind of conventional understanding was you lose eggs through your life which is absolutely true so you're born with all the eggs you will ever have that number never goes up it only goes down only more recently have people been talking and investigating egg quality more so quantity we can do nothing about so if you find yourself 43 44 45 trying for a baby
00:12:23
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You cannot change that. You cannot change what age you are and you can't change what's happened in your life up until now that's made that the case. So looking back with regret and wishing you'd done this or that or the other isn't going to help.
00:12:37
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This is where egg quality becomes hugely important. Egg quality typically goes down over time as well. So this is why it's so much easier to fall pregnant in your 20s and your 30s.
00:12:52
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because typically the quality of an egg will decrease over time. However, the studies are now showing that the three months before an egg is ovulated is absolutely pivotal in its ability to fertilise and the chromosomal sorting that will happen that will determine whether it's a viable pregnancy or not.
00:13:16
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Trying not to get too geeky here, chromosomal sorting happens in the three months before does an egg is ovulated. So this is where, you know, the chromosomes will split, they'll split again, and then they'll pair up.
00:13:30
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Typically, there's more chance with an older egg of there being issues with the chromosomes. So we'll have heard of things like Down syndrome, Edwards syndrome, and what's probably less well known is that chromosomal abnormalities are responsible for more than half of pre-12 week miscarriages.
00:13:50
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What's now understood, though, is that if you can get in and protect yourself from harmful chemicals, take the right supplements, the right diet, really look after yourself for that three months, you can make a very real difference.
00:14:06
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And of course, the beauty with fertility, especially when you're trying naturally, that if you miss one month, you can just keep doing all these really good things and try again.
00:14:18
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I have a client who came to me, really, really lovely lady. She already had a son by IVF and she knew that she wanted more children and she had already started the process to have another baby.
00:14:33
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What she had decided to do was she'd booked a package of six egg extractions over the following 12 months. She knew that her ovarian reserve was low. She had been told that her chances were less than 10%. She already, you know,
00:14:47
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Her having a son in the first place was a bit of a miracle in itself. So when I first started speaking to her, she had already had two egg extractions. And the plan was test them all after the year and put in the best quality ones.
00:15:02
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Nice. She worked with me for four months and she fell pregnant naturally. Only difference she made was lifestyle changes. To me, that's absolutely mind-blowing. Absolutely. And it seems to be that like with every other aspect of health, having the right lifestyle, eating the right type of foods, taking the right type of exercise, getting the right amount of sleep, all of these things will improve our chances of having a healthier lifestyle and fulfilling our lifestyle aspirations.
00:15:30
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It's the understanding of those sorts of things, which it was one of the reasons why I decided that we needed to do Fit for My Age, because you reach a point in life where you realize, if I'd known this 20 years ago, i would not be having this problem. Why do I only get to know about it when I have the problem? And people can turn around and say, well, of course, it's because 20 years ago, whatever, you were doing this.
00:15:56
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You've told me that you can actually have a ah fertility diet. What sort of things would be on a fertility diet? There isn't a bog standard, but it really needs to come down to the individual and where they are right now.
00:16:09
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Most basic level, the closest diet to a fertility diet or an egg quality diet is the Mediterranean diet. And the reason for that is that it focuses a lot on whole grain carbohydrates,
00:16:25
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lean meats, healthy fats, so no processed fats or dangerous fats. It doesn't eliminate anything. It's just balanced in a way that optimizes the hormones and optimizes the health.
BMI, Weight, and Fertility
00:16:40
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Because I have a ah background in hormonal fat loss, a lot of my clients come to me because they're having difficulty with their BMI. That could be couple of different scenarios. Perhaps they've went for IVF and they've been told that their BMI prohibits it.
00:16:57
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And very often they'll feel like they're being brushed off because, well, I just feel like I'm being victimised because I'm overweight. While it's heartbreaking to feel that way, that's absolutely not what's happening at all.
00:17:10
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The studies are all showing us that there's a substantially higher chance of the IVF being successful. if the woman is at a healthy weight or only moderately overweight.
00:17:21
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And that's kind of well documented. That's because having additional body fat means that you're more likely to have higher levels of estrogen and that can create a hormone imbalance in itself. So some women will be looking to reduce their BMI, but they want to do it in a way that is optimal for their eggs.
00:17:40
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So... Here's a scenario. If a woman was to decide to wake up one day, right, I'm going to lose silly amount of weight in a silly amount of time and that's going to mean that I'm going to be eligible either for funded IVF or that the private clinic will take me.
00:17:57
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Very often what this woman will do is cut out all dietary fats. That is the most popular thing that I have seen for women who are trying to lose weight quickly.
00:18:08
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So they go on the equivalent of like a Slimming World or a Weight Watchers, very, very, very low fat. They think they're existing on a healthy split between protein and carbs, but in reality, they're existing almost entirely on carbohydrates.
00:18:24
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The big issue with this is that female bodies, female menstrual systems, ovulatory systems, rely on healthy dietary fats to regulate their hormones.
00:18:36
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So while on one hand they might be losing pounds very quickly and that's their goal, they might not know that they're damaging the quality of their eggs and they're damaging, they could potentially be damaging their menstrual cycle at the same time.
00:18:53
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So when I have clients who come to me and they want to lose weight, it's very important that they understand that one diet does not fit all. They need to be looking after their eggs properly.
00:19:05
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whilst looking to reduce their body fat at the same time. What I'm understanding is that this is a long game. It's not going to happen overnight.
00:19:17
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You can't look at just one aspect of this. You've got to take a holistic or a comprehensive approach. If I was a woman who wanted to be a mother, my chances of becoming a mother are, logic tells me, the healthier I am, the higher my chances are of conceiving. 100%.
00:19:36
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one hundred percent And there's the converse to everything. We all know that, you know, people in poor health accidentally fall pregnant and people that don't look after themselves fall pregnant all the time. That's the exception.
00:19:47
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What we're talking about now is people who have a goal of being a mum and carrying full term. Yes. They have a very real opportunity to improve their chances of doing that. by looking after themselves.
00:19:59
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Yeah, like, look after yourself before you try and look after someone else. And the healthier you are, the better your chances of conceiving, the better your chances of carrying to full term.
00:20:13
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At the same time as I'm saying those words, or I'm also hearing in my head a voice saying, but some people have a health condition, which meets it makes it more difficult. I totally get that.
00:20:25
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I totally get the that for lots of people. reduce the weight, increase the exercise, get healthier yourself and you have more of a chance. But there's then also all sorts of other things and you've mentioned supplements.
00:20:39
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What sort of supplements come into play and in what type of situations when someone is trying to conceive? When I first start working with someone I'll put them on, and I'll ask them to start certain supplements and then as we get into their food diary It might be that we ask them to take more of certain things or come off certain things.
00:21:00
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Almost all of my clients, I recommend ah really good quality antioxidant. So this is to reduce the oxidative stress on their bodies, but particularly on their eggs.
00:21:13
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Women who are trying to conceive, almost, I'm trying to think there's only really been one case where I didn't recommend COQ10. There's a form of COQ10 called ubiquinol.
00:21:24
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which has been shown to be very useful when it comes to improving energising eggs. So that's the number one. i was born in the 80s, so if anyone listening is listening to this, they might have had a Game Boy when they were younger. If they go to their mum's house and they find in an old drawer or in the loft, they find the Game Boy, they try and turn it on, and it doesn't work.
00:21:49
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But of course it doesn't work because it's probably got 30-year-old batteries sitting in it, 20-year-old batteries. So if we think about taking the antioxidants, the right antioxidants, as charging the battery or swapping the battery, the chances are f you put fresh batteries in that Game Boy, it probably will still work.
00:22:11
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But if you just keep trying to do the same thing with the same batteries, it won't work. So I always think about the antioxidant as they're charging the eggs, they're charging the battery in the Game Boy.
00:22:23
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So that's number one. One of the things, though, from what you say, is that we shouldn't think about an egg as just an innate object. The egg exists and you're never going to have more than you've got.
00:22:39
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But you can, by the choices that you make, improve the quality of that egg and improve the chances of conception and carrying a baby to full term.
00:22:51
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Yes, that's very much what I'm saying. My kind of coaching is is by invitation only, so not everyone is going to be suited for what I do so that's why I chat to everyone first. When I am talking to them and thinking about them falling pregnant and having a healthy baby, I'm not thinking about that happening for them on their next menstrual cycle.
00:23:11
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In my mind, the absolute best scenario is that they fall pregnant three, four or five, six menstrual cycles down the line. when they've had a chance to actually invest the time.
00:23:23
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Because I would rather they fall pregnant a few months later with a good egg than now with one that we don't know enough about. Yes. Does that make sense? Yes, because what you're doing is not just conceiving and carrying a baby to full term, but carrying a healthy baby to full term.
Holistic Approach to Fertility
00:23:41
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Yeah, it's not just conceiving because... Particularly, work with a lot of ladies in their 40s, so their chances of miscarriage are much higher. So working on egg quality is adding that additional additional protection from miscarriage.
00:23:58
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we We know that one in four pregnancies end in miscarriage. That's what's reported, but there's so many miscarriages. Certainly, as ah I believe that there's so many miscarriages that the woman herself doesn't even know like that there's so many that go unreported as well.
00:24:13
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I would very much recommend COQ10, I ask most of my clients to supplement, particularly my UK best girls, supplement with vitamin D, omega-3 fish oil, very, very important as well.
00:24:25
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And of course, folate is very important when you're trying for a baby. you know, I'm a bloke and I know we have a role to play in all of the conception, but of mates who've gone through these sorts of issues, I totally get from having seen their experience that it does affect men in a similar way to the way that it affects women, but also from a man's perspective.
00:24:49
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There's the added element, what can I do to help to support? What do you look for in a male partner and on this journey this fertility journey?
00:25:01
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What's your advice to a male partner? Number one, without a doubt, is to ask the questions and get involved. So don't allow yourself to be the type of person who compartmentalises it and thinks, you know, I've got my stuff to do with the cup and that's it.
00:25:19
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and she's got her stuff to do with this, actually ask her. She wants you to be involved. Can I help you prepare this food? Is there anything I can do do? you want a lift? Do you want dropped off?
00:25:32
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What specific test is this today? What's it going to tell us? Is there anything I can do So the support aspect is massive. And I do find that, and this is true with men and women, of course, once it's offered, you get it back doubly.
00:25:48
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And I know for a fact, Michael, that I am quite guilty of kind of forgetting about the men because i do specifically only work with the women. But I do think not taking an interest isn't fair because most men do take an interest.
00:26:05
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But taking a deep interest and seeming like you want to be involved is, you know, numero uno. That's super important. And of course, for men, looking after their own health, even if they've been tested,
00:26:19
Speaker
And if they've been told, you know, your sperm is fine or what's often said is within range, looking after your own health can only be a good thing. So, you know, eating well, exercising well, ah avoiding, you know, like cheap plastic tubs and dishes, avoiding alcohol, smoking, showing that you're making that effort
Male Involvement in Fertility Journey
00:26:40
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and that you understand and that you're bought in to the whole idea of change and improvement to optimise results.
00:26:47
Speaker
It's teamwork, isn't it? you're You're actually the first man who's approached me to talk about this sort of thing. I've had many conversations with many other you know women, business owners, coaches, nutritionists, but you're the first man. So I think there's kudos to you there. Thank you.
00:27:03
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But to throw the question back to you and from your conversations with your friends, what advice would you give men who are in this scenario? I think very similar advice to the advice you've given is that it's a partnership.
00:27:16
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You both want to start a family, you both want to add to your family and you're not going to be able to do it without the other person. And you need to be there, you need to be involved, you need to ask the questions, you need to not just ask questions about so how somebody else feels,
00:27:33
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But you need also be open about how you feel. Make sure that you are there for each other. Because although you can go to a mate, you can go to a father, your parent, whatever, at the end of the day, it is you and your partner and nobody understands how you feel more than your partner and you've got to be open honest and frank with them because this is an issue that that can strengthen a relationship or it can destroy a relationship and i've seen both i do think that as an ah hr professional as an employer i want people to to live the lives that you fulfill all their lifestyle aspirations and if
00:28:18
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That if being a parent, starting a family is one of those lifestyle aspirations, I think we need to do something to try and put in place the things that will help people. And it's only by asking the questions.
00:28:34
Speaker
It's this half an hour, right? Half an hour. And i already know so much more about this than did half an hour ago. Totally. It doesn't take much to to ask a question.
00:28:47
Speaker
It doesn't take much to say, i want to know. That was a very good answer. Thank you. The other thing I'd like to chuck in is, and this is more practical advice for for the gentlemen out there, it's very common if you are supporting your partner and maybe she has just had some bad news, so maybe she's found out that, maybe she does a negative pregnancy test,
00:29:12
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Maybe she's had a miscarriage. Maybe she has found out, maybe her menstrual cycle's arrived. You love this person, so your natural instinct is likely to be, how can I make her feel better right now?
00:29:30
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And that is often followed by going to the shop, buying a bottle of wine, a pizza, a family packet of chocolate crisps. That's what we know, that's the kindness that that we've probably been brought up with.
00:29:44
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But I would appeal to you to, instead of doing that, to ask her what she wants. So say, do you want me to go do this? Or do you want to go for a walk?
00:29:57
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Just tell me what you want. Because as I mentioned before, I deal with a lot of women who are looking to make lifestyle choices. They're looking to make choice changes to their BMI. A lot of women particularly type A women who've had big careers.
00:30:12
Speaker
They can be quite high functioning on alcohol and they might be working really, really hard to stay away from these things. And it's not uncommon that out of love, their partner will try to cheer them up, in inverted commas, with the things that they probably want to avoid.
00:30:29
Speaker
Good point. So instead of just assuming, ask the question. Yeah, ask questions. And you might be surprised by the answers. You never know. But I have certainly learned a lot today.
Conclusion and Call to Action
00:30:41
Speaker
Clare, thank you very much. Really appreciate your time. I know that there is lots more that we can talk about, but maybe another day. But for the moment, thank you very much. Yeah, I've loved this, Michael.
00:30:53
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Thank you very much for having me. That's great. Thank you. I am Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abucida. And in this episode of Fit for My Age, I have been having a conversation with Claire Innes, the fertility mentor and fertility mythbuster.
00:31:09
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You can find out more about both of us at abucida.co.uk. There is a link in the description. If you've liked this episode of Fit For My Age, please give it a like and download it so that you can listen anytime, anywhere.
00:31:22
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00:31:37
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Until the next episode of Fit For My Age, thank you for listening and goodbye.