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Making Intentional Conversations Happen - a conversation with Chris Burnett
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Chris Burnett is the founder of That Conversations Movement and author of Conversations: connecting with people in our lives.
That Conversations Movement started as a personal project to connect with friends and family during the COVID lockdowns. The experience taught Chris that deepening our connections through the magic of having a chat, an intentional conversation, helps everyone to being more open with each other. This he says can help with improve our mental health.
In this episode of the Abeceder health and wellbeing podcast Fit For My Age Chris and host Michael Millwarddiscuss the origins of the project and what it meant for everyone involved.
In their discussion Chris explains the different stages of an intentional conversation. He describes easy ways in which a conversation can be initiated. How a conversation can be structured and how intentional conversations can impact relationships.
You will leave this episode inspired to arrange your own intentional conversations.
Find out more about Michael Millward and Chris Bennett at Abeceder.co.uk.
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Introduction and Guest Overview
00:00:05
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Made on Zencastr. Hello and welcome to Fit For My Age, the health and wellbeing podcast from Abysseedah. I am your host, Michael Millward, the managing director of Abysseedah.
00:00:19
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Today, my guest is Chris Burnett, the man who wants to get the world talking more. As the jingle at the start of this podcast says, Fit For My Age is made on Zencastr.
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00:00:58
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Podcasting and Travel Arrangements
00:01:11
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Very importantly, on Fit For My Age, we don't tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think. to- Today, my guest, who I met on matchmaker.fm, is Chris Burnett.
00:01:25
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Chris is a man who wants to get the world talking more in proper conversations, which we will be finding out much more about. but But Chris is based in Aberdeen, Scotland.
00:01:39
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I have been to Aberdeen in Scotland just the once. But when I went, I was very young, so I'm well overdue another visit.
00:01:50
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When I do go, i will be sure to make my travel arrangements with the Ultimate Travel Club because that is where I can access trade prices on flights, hotels, holidays and so many more travel-related purchases.
00:02:05
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There is a link and a membership discount code in the description. Now, I've paid the rent so I can say... Chris, hello. i'm Michael. How are you? I am very well, thank you very much. I hope you can say the same.
00:02:18
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Yeah, absolutely.
Chris's Journey and Social Enterprise
00:02:20
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Great. You've only just returned to Aberdeen, haven't you? ah have, yeah. I've been living away for for a number of years. We'll find out more about where you've been. But I remember when I went to Aberdeen years ago, I stayed in a hotel called the Treetops Hotel. Oh, yeah.
00:02:35
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I doubt doubt very much if it's still there. It might be, actually. think you'd be surprised. Oh, good. think it's a Hilton hotel now. don't that always the case. But I think I may have had one of my school proms there.
00:02:50
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Now that's going back 15 years or so at this point, but yeah. Oh, so it's it's cool. it's ah It obviously is one of the places to go. but Sort of, yeah. Tell us more about what has been happening to you in the time since that prom and you're now returning. You've been all over the world. so Yeah, sure. So from Aberdeen, yeah, I studied social sciences at university, mainly sociology.
00:03:15
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The reason I did that was because I've always been interested in society and the world and how it all fits together. during During my undergrad, I came across this concept called social enterprise and how businesses can exist to do social environmental good.
00:03:31
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And I just kind of got hooked on that idea. And it took me onto a path of doing a master's in social enterprise. When I moved out to Australia, I ended up working in the in the sector and then doing my PhD out there to do with social enterprise as well.
00:03:45
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And I guess the move to Australia came about because i I mean my inspiration been my grandparents they traveled the world once they'd retired and I remember vividly hearing stories of all their travels and it made me want to go and and travel and so when I got to university and the opportunity to study abroad came up I jumped at it I did a semester in Malta and that really just like opened my eyes to like the world I guess and moving away so I've kind of jumped on opportunities to to move about here and there and then Australia was
00:04:16
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probably the biggest move. Ended up there for four and a half years, loved my time there, then moved to Toronto for a year to be a little bit closer to home, but still kind of um experiencing something different.
00:04:27
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And yeah, have you're chatting to me at a time when I've just now relocated back to Scotland permanently.
Initiating Deep Conversations During COVID
00:04:35
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I'll be moving to Glasgow at some stage once I find some work, but for now I'm back home in Aberdeen and enjoying as you say the summer or what sort of summer we get up here well here in Yorkshire we've got 80 degrees Fahrenheit in my garden at the moment I'm sorry I can't give it to you in centigrade but it's an old thermometer that's on the wall okay you've developed this idea around conversations what is that
00:05:00
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ah started off as a personal project of mine it became thing when I was in Melbourne and during the COVID lockdowns I basically experienced quite a lot of homesickness and feelings of disconnection as I'm sure many people out there did and I was reading a lot and one of the books I read was Tuesdays with Maury brilliant book Yeah.
00:05:24
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Beautiful little book about what's important in life, yes essentially. And I would thoroughly recommend it to everybody. So do I. Yeah. yeah So I read that. And one of the messages, if not the main message in that book is about connection and the fact that fundamentally that's what it's all about is having deep, strong relationships.
00:05:44
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And I read that at a time, as I said, when I was feeling quite disconnected. So it really struck a chord and I decided that I had to do something with the feeling that I had from from reading that book at the time. So I started this personal project where, to start with, I was essentially having a call a week to catch up with someone that I hadn't spoken to in a while.
00:06:02
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And I did that for a year, and I got into a really nice rhythm of basically having a call a week and reaching out to people and then you know jumping on a call and catching up. had been it was people that hadn't spoken to anything ranging from sort six months through to six years.
00:06:17
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And I had these 50 calls in that year and really enjoyed it, but decided that I needed to, kind of me being me, I was like, right, i need to take this to another level. And I want to have some more, i guess, deep dive, intentional conversations.
00:06:31
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And so I started... interviewing my family and friends about their lives and our relationships. Over the course of the next two and a half or so years, I recorded 75 intentional conversations where basically i sat down with a friend or a family member and yeah as I say chat to them about their life and also about our relationship so the way that works is um there's I came up this format I just kind of fell onto this format where there's three parts to the conversation so part one I ask them questions about their life and I leave it open they can ask me things in return but typically it's more about me asking them things and you know what were you like as a kid right through to what are you doing now and and beyond and
00:07:17
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then that's part one and that's usually the longest part part two um there's a bit of homework to be done beforehand and basically i asked them to write down three words that they'd used to describe me and i do the same for them and we essentially swap affirmations swap those words and reflect on what we why we why those words came to mind and i guess what we like about each other So that's part two. And then part three, but another bit of homework, they have to write down experiences, memories that come to mind when they think of me and I do the same. And then part three is essentially a trip down memory lane together.
00:07:50
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And we reflect on our shared experiences. So those three parts come together to form this kind of, yeah. yeah big deep dive conversation and I record them. So you can think of them like podcasts, I guess, but the crucial thing is that those chats are just private.
00:08:06
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So they're just kept in me and the person I chat to. And I think that takes away from, ah guess, nervousness to share and any kind of anxieties about things going public or anything like that.
00:08:16
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very much a private chat because the whole point of the the thing is that i just want to get to know them on a deeper level and have a nice time reflecting on our relationship as well yeah as i say recorded 75 of those conversations i then wrote a book about it to encourage other people to do the same or something similar and off the back of that i've now began this movement um where i'm trying to get as many people as possible to consider having more deep, authentic, intentional conversations with their family and friends and to really deepen their connections with one another.
Impact and Insights from Conversations
00:08:51
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The first thing that comes to mind is that you had talked about the three words being positive affirmations and positive memories when you think about people.
00:09:01
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Was there any of ah any discussion of things that were uncomfortable or was it very much a ah positive conversation? Yeah, I would say it's probably about a 90% positive experience.
00:09:14
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I think in the first part where I'm asking people things about their life, there's definitely scope. And at times, you know there's been a lot of vulnerability and a lot of you know talking about hardship.
00:09:24
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In terms of swapping the three words, typically, they're quite nice things. I just sort of say what words come to mind um as the prompt. But really, it does get you thinking about the kind of good qualities that people have. And then in the memory section,
00:09:38
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Typically, that's positive. Typically, it's fun and, you know, funny stories that come about, especially with friends you've had for a long time. But there have been times where we've kind of reflected on maybe difficult sticking points in a relationship. So a couple of friends were like, maybe our friendship didn't quite get off to the best start, or there's been some incident down the line, and we've, you know, resolved that. So, you know, it's not all purely positive, but I would say the vast majority of the time you're spent kind of just sitting and basking in positivity.
00:10:04
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Right, which is a nice way to be, but you can be positive. But is it also a comfortable experience for the people that you're having these conversations with? ah Probably not to start with. I've had quite a few people comment that they're quite nervous at the start.
00:10:19
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But once we get going, I think the the magic of this is that they're doing it with someone that they know and trust already. And also, it's as I say, it's private. So yes, there's a microphone, but you kind of almost forget that that's there.
00:10:32
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In terms of being uncomfortable, I mean, There's certain things where like, I'll ask someone about something. If they don't want to open up, that's fine. We'll just move on. I don't, I never push someone to tell me something or talk about something that they don't want to talk about.
00:10:45
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So in that regard, there is a level of, you know, it's just what you want to kind of answer about and talk about. Pretty much everybody has said afterwards, I really enjoyed that. I don't know what I was going to expect or kind of how I was going to be with that, but I really, really enjoyed it. So the feedback has been overwhelmingly positive in that regard.
00:11:04
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Did you get to know things that you didn't previously know about the people that you were talking to? Absolutely, yes. That's almost like the point of it, yeah especially with friends that I've made as an adult because we didn't cross paths, say, at school or or university or anything. And therefore, there's like so much of their backstory that maybe I've heard snippets of, but I didn't really know in depth. So with those ones particularly, having said that, even with people that I've known for a long time,
00:11:34
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especially family members, we've never really sat down one-on-one and really, you know, there's just kind of assumed knowledge. There's just things you sort of know about them, but to sit down and actually ask them about it and hear them talk one-on-one, it does uncover a few things.
00:11:47
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Have your view of any of the people that you've had those conversations with changed? Yes, but again, positively. i think that you gain a lot of kind of understanding of people's maybe circumstance or...
00:12:03
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why they're a certain way and it's by hearing their backstory and I guess being the jigsaw pieces of their kind of story puzzle together. um And it makes my view of some of someone that I've been chatting to a lot more rounded.
00:12:17
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And I think that for me anyway, that's been incredibly positive. Even though, as I say, there have been times where we've talked about hardship or maybe struggles we've had in our relationship or um even struggles that they've just been through in life. But,
00:12:33
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Yeah, it's been, ah I mean, it's been the most significant thing I've ever done, potentially will be the most significant thing I ever do. Yeah, I'm just really grateful for everyone that's taken the time to sit down, chat and be so open and and vulnerable with me.
00:12:47
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It all sounds really interesting.
The Importance of Intentional Dialogue
00:12:50
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When I read about the work that you've done, it made me think about the conversations that I have with people that I have known for six months, six weeks, and also for my whole life.
00:13:01
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It made me realize that so many of the verbal communications that I have are almost transactional. I talk to someone because I want something from them or they want something from me or we want something from each other. yeah But reading about what you've done made me realize that I don't have many just conversations with people, even what even with people that I have known and for a long time.
00:13:33
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There are probably a lot of people who could be listening right now who would be saying, yeah i know exactly what michael call means i'm in exactly the same situation how did you start the process because not everyone would want to sort sit down with a microphone and record these types of conversations but how would you start going to have i suppose what would be proactive or intentional conversations with people how do you start it without saying to someone i want to have an intentional conversation with you
00:14:05
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Or indeed, is that the best way to start it? Yeah, I think that is probably the best way to start it. You know, to start with the first few friends I did this with, they were kind of like, what is this?
00:14:16
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and And to be honest, I didn't really know what it was either. i was just like, well, I just kind of want to interview you about your life and see what where what it goes. So like the first 10, 15 conversations are very different to the last, you know, 25 or so, because I've really worked on the structure of it and the questions and things like that.
00:14:34
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I think that if anyone's listening to this and thinking, you know, where where would I even begin with that? There's probably a few things I would say. The first is that you, you don't have to do 75 of these conversations. You know, you could just do one of them and you could just start with, you know, and an intimate partner or your best friend or just someone that you know in your life that maybe you already have little bits of these conversations, but, um,
00:15:00
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you know, someone that is is happy to sit down and and have a chat with you. Also, you don't need to record them um as well. Like what I've done is because I wanted to keep these as i did something kind of similar with my ah grandma and granda many years ago and my granda since passed and having that audio recording.
00:15:19
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is incredibly special. And then now I've got that for you know my family and friends as well. um So therere for me, recording was a a crucial element of it, but it might not be for someone else. And I wouldn't say you have to record.
00:15:32
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Also, I think anyone wondering where to get started, that's kind of what I'm trying to do now with with the whole idea of writing the book about it and starting this movement is to provide people with a little guide on how you go about doing this. And here are a set of questions that you could just kind of stick to and just go through them and yeah i think trying to give people a bit of oomph i guess is here is little platform to to jump onto and on you go and do it in your own way is very much my kind of philosophy with it too the book what is the book called
00:16:06
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The book is called Conversations, which, you know, aptly titled, I guess, Connecting with People in Our Lives is the subtitle. Yeah, it's just a ah little book. It's even shorter than Tuesdays with Maury, which, you know, was the original book that inspired all of this. But um people could sit down and read it in one sort of sitting, which is very kind of intentional from from my end.
00:16:27
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And the whole point of the book is that you know half the book is me setting up like this is what the project is and then half the book is actually content from the conversations that I've had to give people a bit of an insight and get a bit of a flavor for what I've been chatting about. And you see in that that yes, there's some really deep, meaningful stuff, but there's also some really random miscellaneous things and all of that is beautiful and all of that is part of it.
00:16:49
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And yeah, i just wanted to kind of bring it to life with some quotes and things. I've gone back to the people that I chatted to and asked them, is it okay if I include this quote? it's anonymized and things, but I just wanted to make sure and everyone kind of approved that. So there is some, you know, a lot of content as well from the conversations I've been having, but the the actual book is is incredibly short and sweet and it just hopefully will give people a bit of a, oh, this is really cool.
00:17:13
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All right. I want to go and have one of these conversations with someone in my life as well. Okay. So the book is called Conversations and the subtitle is connecting with people in our lives.
00:17:24
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Right.
Critique of Social Media and Real Conversations
00:17:25
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It does seem in many ways that we have more and more means of communication, but actually communicate less than we probably ever did. Oh, that's a big, big thing for me. I think social media,
00:17:38
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you know in we are more connected in theory than ever in terms of i could pick up my phone now and i can open a messaging app and i could message one of my friends in australia and it would just go through to them and then when they you know wake up they'll see it um so so that's great and that you know when you have friends around the world i think it's such a powerful thing to be able to stay in touch however i think that what social media has done and the fact that we're all you know quote unquote connected in the way of like we're friends on facebook or we follow each other on instagram or whatever the platform may be it creates this kind of illusion of connectivity where you know we think we're super connected to everybody but like do you actually know what's going on in someone's life because what you see on social media ah guarantee you is not a reflection of what's actually happening on a day-to-day their
00:18:29
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in their life. So I think even messaging, you know messaging is great in terms of staying in touch, but it's not actually connecting either because you could exchange a few messages and ask someone how their life's going and stuff. But if you don't actually converse with them, either hearing their voice or you know having a call, then you don't really get a full sense of everything. So yeah, there's kind of this almost don't know if it's quite a paradox but with social media, but you know what I mean, where it's like we're more connected, but the depth of connection is not there. It's all very shallow. And that's partly what I'm trying to do with this movement is encourage people to have more intentional conversations that ultimately deepen their connections with one another. Because to me, you know as I've said before,
00:19:12
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you know, what I read with Tuesdays with Maury and and I read another book recently called The Good Life. And it's about the longest study in the world of happiness. And it concludes that relationships are not only important, but they're actually the most important predictor of good health.
00:19:25
Speaker
And so reading that, for me, it's just clear that like social connection and relationships, having deep, strong relationships is the most important thing. And therefore, ah just want people to be sitting and conversing in person. And so we' get I'm sure we'll get onto the movement, but i'm I'm starting to host events. And one of the rules I have ah the events I'm hosting is for everyone to put away their phones.
00:19:47
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And I think just being that kind of you know sitting and chatting without a phone, without looking even the distraction of the phone on the table.
Conversations Movement and Events
00:19:55
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having that away and just being really attentive and intentional, I think is, yeah, we need to kind of go back to that. And technology and social media have kind of got in the way of a bit of that, I think.
00:20:06
Speaker
Yes. Social media or anti-social media, depending upon your perspective, seems to be people giving the rose-tinted glasses version of life.
00:20:17
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so That is then something which people have feel a pressure to live up to. And it's really interesting that when you talk about you know the contributors to happiness, being in some form of relationship or having relationships with people adds to your ability to achieve a level of happiness in your life.
00:20:39
Speaker
It struck me how quickly and easily people have adapted to communicating in text messages and instant messaging apps and all sorts of things like that. But I get the feeling that the movement that you talk about is much more of a is like a re-education program, but not an education program. It's just It's not billed as an education program is what I mean, but it is about educating people how to go back to actually having conversations with people.
00:21:12
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what it What is the movement and how does it work and what does getting involved with it mean? Yeah, so the movement basically comprises of two parts. The first is a podcast of my own, where it's essentially an extension of my personal project, where each episode I chat to a different friend or family member, and there's a topic and one question.
00:21:36
Speaker
Essentially, the point of the podcast, I mean, apart from me just continuing my own project and having a great time chatting to more of my friends, is that someone listening would listen into this kind of natural conversation that comes out of just like one question and they might want to go away and ask someone in their life that question so that would be the kind of ultimate hope i guess um with the podcast what is the name of the podcast yeah it's just called that conversations podcast right okay and that's available on all the platforms uh it's available on spotify and apple podcasts um for now but yeah it's available on spotify and apple and it's called that conversations podcast
00:22:16
Speaker
that conversations podcast what you're demonstrating i suppose is that you can have a conversation that is sparked by one question it all depends how you answer it i suppose how you start your answer so like for example um one of the episodes the theme was laughter and the question was who in your life makes you laugh regularly
00:22:42
Speaker
Good question. everyone can answer that question, right? And the the idea is like, i've I'm asking my mate that, they're answering, and then they're kind of turning the question on to me and then I answer and we have a bit of back and forth. Another episode was about live music. Question was, tell me about a memorable gig you've been to.
00:22:57
Speaker
So it's just kind of these questions and and you know the whole episode is 15, 20 minutes or whatever. And it's just based off of that question. And then at the end of the episode, I kind of pose to the listener, if you fancy having a similar conversation with someone in your life, why don't you ask them the questions?
00:23:11
Speaker
When you describe it in that way, how straightforward it sounds is just ask the question and listen to the answer. I think too often when we are supposedly having a conversation, we make statements rather than and providing answers or questions for people.
00:23:30
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It's like, you've said this, I'm going to say this, I've had the last word. There's a competitive element to it as well. I really like the idea of them just demonstrating how a conversation can be sparked by a simple question. That sounds fantastic.
00:23:47
Speaker
You also mentioned that you're having events. Basically what I'm doing is organizing events that people attend in pairs. So you have to attend with someone in your life, a friend, a family member, ah partner.
00:24:00
Speaker
And the whole point of the event is that you're going to sit and have some intentional conversations. And after the event, you're going to have deepened your connection with one another. So hosting these in pubs, cafes, little gatherings of up to 10 pairs of people, up to 20 people. Say you attended with a friend.
00:24:16
Speaker
Part of the event is you are going to write down three words you'd use to describe your friend. They're doing the same with you. and then you're goingnna have 10 minutes to swap those words. and then you're going to write down experiences memories that come to mind when you think of this person they're doing the same and you have some time to so go back and forth and swap those essentially taking my what i've done with my family and friends and sort of facilitating i guess other people doing that with their family and friends and doing it in a quite informal way where it feels like you know you're just sitting in the pub with a friend or in a cafe with a friend The hope there is that it sparks people that might want to go and do that again with other people in their own time, or would want to come back to another event with someone else. Because you can imagine if you attended the event with a different person, yes, you're doing the same activities, but you're going to have a different experience and a different conversation, right? Yes.
00:25:03
Speaker
Yeah, I hosted a couple in Toronto while I was still living there. Since I've returned to Scotland, I've hosted one in Aberdeen, one in Glasgow. And then, yeah, we're on the verge of of launching in a few different locations, which is quite exciting because I'm trying to find people elsewhere who want to do this because to host this event, it doesn't require me. It just requires somebody to get kind of get up in front of people with the script and kind of take people through the activities.
00:25:27
Speaker
Great, so there's ah there's a burgeoning business out of this as well. Or would it be a social enterprise? I'm being quite deliberate about this, the way I'm doing it is that, and so there is no organization being set up, no business being set up by me. That's very, very deliberate, just in terms of, I guess,
00:25:44
Speaker
The motivation of things would change if I then introduce it as an organization, if I you know put some sort of structure behind it, there's costs involved, et cetera. The whole point of this is that I just want more people to experience the conversations that I've been having and all the amazing benefits that I've experienced through having these more intentional conversations. And so, yeah, to me, it's just...
00:26:04
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Yeah, you can sell tickets for an event and make a little bit of money off that, but it's not really even about that. So we operate a kind of pay what you can model um so people can just register for free. And the whole goal is just that I want as many people to have these sort chats as possible.
00:26:18
Speaker
Great. Where can people find out more information?
Resources and Conclusion
00:26:21
Speaker
So the website is conversationsmovement.com and on social media, it's at conversationsmovement. Sounds brilliant.
00:26:29
Speaker
It's really interesting. We could talk, no pun intended, about all of this for a lot longer, I am sure. But for today, really want to say big thank you for sparing the time and sharing more information about the conversation movement.
00:26:45
Speaker
Thank you very much. Well, thanks for having me on. It's been a pleasure to chat. Thank you. I am Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abbasida. And in this episode of Fit for My Age, I have been having a conversation with Chris Burnett, who is an advocate for conversations.
00:27:03
Speaker
You can find out more about both Chris and me at abbasida.co.uk. There is a link in the description, along with descriptions to all of the websites that Chris has mentioned and the books that that we have mentioned his book and the Tuesdays with Morrie book as well.
00:27:20
Speaker
I must remember to thank the team at matchmaker.fm for introducing me to Chris. If you are a podcaster looking for interesting guests, or if like Chris, you have something very interesting to say, matchmaker.fm is where matches of great hosts and great guests are made.
00:27:38
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There is a link to matchmaker.fm and an offer code in the description.
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And probably, in this case, we like to get you talking. All there remains for me to say is until the next episode of Fit For My Age, thank you for listening and goodbye.