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Ep. 222 – A Lethal Wet Willy Courtesy of Ziz
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This week we’re chatting about the Zizian cult! The Zizians are a group composed of vegan extremists connected to 6 murders scattered around the country. This is a strange ongoing case, and something we’ll be watching with great interest. Enjoy the show!
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Curtis's Self-Defense Acquittal
00:00:00
Speaker
um Curtis got off on a self-defense charge, which seems reasonable. Yeah. So. would say so. 50 times. What do you do after like after being stabbed 50 times and you're still alive? Like, what do you do? You just look down at your bloody mess of a torso and be like, ah, nuts.
00:00:20
Speaker
It must have been a small knife.
Podcast Introduction and Hosts' Updates
00:00:42
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Growing Up Christian. I'm Sam. I'm Casey. And here we go. We're back doing our thing, having a great time. I'm in a good mood because tomorrow i ah i pick the photographer is scheduled to take the pictures of my house.
00:01:01
Speaker
So that way in the next few days we can list it.
00:01:06
Speaker
I feel like I've been doing this for so long, for weeks and weeks and weeks. It's been like a month um since we stopped living there. ah February 1st, actually, was when I left my house and moved into my in-laws. So almost a month and a half. The goal was originally like February 27th, and then we had to push it back. i don't know. It's been...
00:01:30
Speaker
Excuse me. It's been really annoying. um I forgot how much it sucks getting a house ready to sell. I haven't done it in a long time. Seven years is the last time I did it. but Yeah.
00:01:43
Speaker
Of course it sucks. I only had one kid that was still pretty much a baby at the time. like what you What you accumulate in seven years of being an adult and what you neglect to take care of in your home for seven years as an adult is...
00:02:01
Speaker
It's kind of astounding when you start looking through. you You are like you come face to face with the realization that you, along with most humans, are actually disgusting people. Yeah, it's true.
00:02:14
Speaker
i just found a I got mice living in my garage. Oh, nice. Like I figured there was mice in there. I've seen them in there before, but I just suddenly realized like how much like mouse crap is just scattered all over the place.
00:02:30
Speaker
And I figured it out because like what alerted me to it was I opened like one of my cabinets in the garage that I keep like tools and stuff in. a bunch of dead mice just poured out of it. Just a stink.
00:02:41
Speaker
Just like ammonia stink. I'm like, oh my God, what is this? Dead mouse is a horrific smell. This wasn't even a dead one. This was just like, they've just been like peeing and pooping all over like cabinet. And like, I couldn't figure out what...
00:02:58
Speaker
It's like it's like an ammonia smell, like it smells like urine, like old stanky urine. And like I couldn't figure it. I cleaned it all out and stuff and I couldn't figure out like why the smell wouldn't go away. And then I realized like I had a bunch of like rolls of tape in there and they were just like covered in pee.
00:03:18
Speaker
Ew. So I had to throw all that away. It's like so disgusting, dude. I hate them. I'm surprised you have them. People are like the cats. Oh, I know. I have a cat that lives out there all the time and a bunch of neighborhood cats that like sneak in to eat his food and stuff. And like, apparently they don't do anything. They're just worthless mouse hunters.
00:03:39
Speaker
but Usually the presence alone helps. ah Like the good Lord himself. You rely just on the presence to make you feel better and keep you safe. but When I lived when I had my house in Worcester, we moved in and there was mouse, drive mouse shit in every cabinet.
00:03:56
Speaker
And then um we, we, uh, old fieldstone basement house too. Uh, so then we move in and, uh, we put the litter box downstairs, open the cat door, like put a little cat door in, never saw a mouse again. None, not the entire time we lived there.
00:04:12
Speaker
So just them existing in the same space, the mice were like, ah, fuck it. And that's not worth it. We're not doing it. I feel like my cat is just kind of that my my outside cat that lives out there is just like old and lazy. And he's always got like a stuffy nose and like a booger hanging out. o That's what my cat's going through. It's gross. And then he just sneezes 12 times on your computer. He'll literally walk up on my keyboard and just sneeze all over everything.
00:04:39
Speaker
Mine doesn't sneeze very much. He just like every time you pet him or something, he goes. Like
00:04:46
Speaker
an old lady in church. It's gross, dude.
School Rumors and Student Behavior
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Speaker
And I hate it. Like Jill's the animal person in the house. I just tolerate them for the most part.
00:04:56
Speaker
ah And she's like, it. Get you have to clean his nose. He's got a giant booger hanging from it. I'm like, I'm not touching it. I don't. And she goes over and just like with her, like with her finger, just digs it in there, fingernail, picks a booger out.
00:05:12
Speaker
And I think that's disgusting. I think it's, I would just let him walk around with dried boogers stuck to his face for the rest of his life. If I had to own it. Your kids too?
00:05:26
Speaker
your kids would have the, ah the dumb and dumber. Yeah. well
00:05:31
Speaker
Snoo Manchu. The thing I'm most amazed by as someone who works in a school is ah for for K and one is how many parents don't clean their children's ears.
00:05:42
Speaker
The amount of children I talk to that just have like just massive walls of earwax caked up in there. Oh, really? Yeah, it's wild. so So many.
00:05:54
Speaker
Disgusting. Yikes. Yeah. I mean, there's some, you know, you see a lot of things, but that's like the most prevalent that you can't do much about.
00:06:04
Speaker
You should start cleaning them for them. Just wet Willie the entire school.
00:06:12
Speaker
actually That I'm going to spread rumors on like ah ah a forum site that it's a sexual thing for you. me fired so fast. He's got an earwax thing.
00:06:24
Speaker
like the One of the middle schools, the one that my children would go to, ah there's like the they sent out like a the vaguest announcement of all time. Or I shouldn't say announcement, more like a you know PR move was like,
00:06:39
Speaker
Yeah, like there have been allegations of some sort made against the vice principal. It's a personal matter. We're dealing with it internally. Please don't spread rumors. They don't mention what it is at all.
00:06:55
Speaker
Turns out the person, it's just, I mean, the guy just seems like a major creep. I guess he got let go from another school for... Being a creep and they hired him at this one and it's going to turn into something weird.
00:07:07
Speaker
It's going to turn into something weird quick. And then you go, that's the the Catholic diocese over there. Yeah. Yeah. For real. It's like, you're just moving people around. Cause it's like, well, nothing was proven. So yeah, but you know, there's a lot of,
00:07:19
Speaker
girls in the school who have been like, this guy's weird. Like he gets too close to people. He's whispers things to you. Like as soon as you're in, are they?
00:07:31
Speaker
I mean, it's middle school. So seventh, eighth grade, six, seventh, eighth. Oh, man. and So we'll see what happens there. I can't imagine what the way that like the rumor mill, not really rumor mill. I shouldn't say that because it doesn't appear to be rumors. It seems to be genuine truths ah and parents on forum in town, for like town like ah town Facebook pages.
00:07:58
Speaker
and stuff like that talking about what their experiences have been or what their kids experience have been like this shit's just going to get around to the point where this guy there's no hope that he'll stay but ah then you get disappointed right you go full mcmarton on him but people knew ah somebody who hired him kind of knew that something like this had happened before so like why would i why would i trust you guys to be responsible for my children at all you know It's going to have a big, it's a valid question.
00:08:29
Speaker
Yeah. It'll have a big impact on the school. Do you ever give any of them a wet willy? Nope. Definitely not. I did today, though. You're speaking with like such definitive, like, ah you know, that's that's a very definitive answer. I mean, can you really say for sure whether or not he's wet willied anyone?
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Speaker
I don't think you can. thought you said the first thing about wet willies. I thought you asked if I've ever wet willied anybody. I thought we were taking a topic shift. okay. that's maybe I'll go with a maybe. for
00:09:03
Speaker
So and one more thing before we get into our, our, our little story of the Eve. um There's this boy at my school. He's five. He's hilarious.
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Speaker
He kind of is like an old man. Like he got old man personality. Like when you talk to him, he just kind of like winces and stares at you. Like, like, huh? What are you saying to me? Like,
The Zizians Cult and Curtis's Attack
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Speaker
He just kind of grumpy all the time. um and he, he joined our school late and he was immediately put into like a sub separate situation because of his behaviors. He'd never been in a school before, but he also has a lot going on that, that ends up presenting is incredibly challenging behaviors in school, particularly with like strong language, uh, in the classroom and stuff like that.
00:09:54
Speaker
And, um, So we we now that it's getting nicer out, this kid is he gets to go outside on the playground for recess. And I think this is his first time ever being on a playground because he just ran around like a madman.
00:10:10
Speaker
like It's like he couldn't believe that playgrounds existed. I don't think he knew about playgrounds until today. Is he screaming expletives? is To an extent, we get there.
00:10:21
Speaker
um So first, there's one snowbank left in like the back corner of the playground, and this kid just immediately like takes a dive into it as soon as he gets out there. Like, oh my god, I can't believe that's still there.
00:10:33
Speaker
And then, not paint i don't think he's been around swings before, because he gets he goes from the snowbank like running across the playground, but he runs right in front of the other kids who are swinging, and he just takes two feet to the gut.
00:10:43
Speaker
Like... oh but And he gets like, he gets knocked over. It just like sends him flying. And then he just gets up and then runs like 30 feet.
00:10:54
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And we're like, where's he going? And it's like, I think, and someone else was like, I think he's just running it off. And then he just doubles over, grabs his stomach. He's like, Oh, Oh,
00:11:08
Speaker
And then and he's trying to get this other woman who was just out for a whole week because of some back problems. He's trying to get her to like climb up to get up into like where you the like you climb up the equipment to go to where the slides are.
00:11:23
Speaker
And she's like, yeah, I'm not going to. I'm not going to do, I can't go up there. Like, and she's like, I'm getting old. And he's like, my mom's pretty old too. She's about five, two.
00:11:34
Speaker
and She's like, okay. And so he's like, trying to get a She's like, I can't like my, my lower back hurts. And she puts her hand like kind of like right above her butt, lower back. And he's like,
00:11:46
Speaker
Oh, okay. Gets down, picks up sand. He goes, here, take this. And she's like, what am I going to do with that? He goes, it's magic sand. It'll make your back feel better or your butt feel better, I guess he said.
00:11:59
Speaker
And she's like, okay. So he puts it in her hand she's just holding it.
00:12:05
Speaker
And he's looking at her and he's like, What? She's like, what do you want me to do with this? He goes, rub it on your fucking ass. Oh my God. How old is he?
00:12:18
Speaker
He's five. And so she's like, okay, ah whatever. I see him hiding under some playground equipment. I go, this kid tells ah lots of things that may or may not be true, but mostly probably aren't.
00:12:35
Speaker
Uh, I go, what are you doing under here, man? You're all by yourself. He goes, I'm just hiding. I was like, hiding from what? Well, my grandpa had a heart attack. I'm like, I don't know what that has to do with you hiding. I'm sorry to hear that.
00:12:49
Speaker
I know that his grandpa died a few years ago. Um, it's like, I'm sorry your grandpa had a heart attack. He I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm hiding from the guys that attacked my grandpa. the yeah yeah What?
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Speaker
it's like yeah i Like, your grandpa? I don't... Do you know what a heart attack is? like I think he thinks that maybe like... Someone attacked his heart? Someone actually attacked his grandpa? Yeah, I think they attacked... they think I think he thinks people came after his grandpa's heart, so he's hiding from those people.
00:13:17
Speaker
Then we're going inside. UPS guy is dropping a package off. He's coming back out. This boy goes... huh who the heck are you uh and he's like he kind of looks at us like what why is this kid asking me questions like that and he goes what's your name and the guy goes chris and he goes so what the chris from the movies And he goes, no, Chris from UPS.
00:13:44
Speaker
He goes, what the? And then just walks inside. Everyone's cracking up. Like, what who is Chris from the movies? This kid, he's one of my favorite kids to be around. Every time you ever around him, he's just saying weird, funny shit.
00:13:58
Speaker
That sounds like fun. ah Just an unpredictable little ah baby Theo Vaughn or something. Kind of, dude. It's kind of like, it kind of is like that with like this, the rabbit trails and the nonsensical things and the occasional whimsies. Like, don't know. He's a very strange kid.
00:14:18
Speaker
ah I could see him. I feel like that's like his, ah one of his, ah if if I had to pick like a couple potential career paths for him, I'd say at this time things look limited, but comedy might be the best route.
00:14:33
Speaker
He's got an act for it. Little Larry David. yeah All right. A couple weeks ago, few weeks ago, i I can't remember if we touched on it, actually, but it didn't come up. Okay. I thought we maybe brushed up brushed up against it. But there is like there has been these like news stories about this cult called the Zizians, as they're being called. And it's a cult in a loose term.
00:15:02
Speaker
uh there's very little known ah about it um and as far as like it's how well organized it is and it's pretty small maybe a dozen people max doesn't mean that i mean you could still be a cult at that point but um it was a little like some notable things or things that ah to clear up um just right out the gate the person who runs the cult goes by ziz for the um but their, their legal name is Jack Lissota.
00:15:36
Speaker
Um, Jack, not, not a common women's name, woman's name. Um, Ziz is a trans woman, um, that never legally changed her name. So when all the news articles are writing anything, of course they go by, either Ziz in parentheses or the legal name of Jack Lissota.
00:15:58
Speaker
Um, but this person was arrested last month along with two other people. Uh, one person named Michelle Zajko and another person named Daniel blank, um, because they're, they're tied to six murders across the United States at this point.
00:16:17
Speaker
Uh, one was like a double homicide in Pennsylvania. One was a knife attack. Um, and one was like, they shot a U S border guard and, uh, I believe it was Vermont.
00:16:28
Speaker
Um, Wow. Guarding the Canadian border. I know. I was like that. i don't I don't know where they were. ah Were they looking for a better life? The only ah the only border guard to get shot on the Canadian border.
00:16:42
Speaker
hmm. I know he's like he picked the safest job imaginable. ah Anyway, I think what's funny about this group of people is, so Ziz is like a self-proclaimed rationalist.
00:16:59
Speaker
um I wasn't really familiar with the rationalist movement. um It seems fairly fine. I can imagine it's a lot of like a lot of people involved in it that I wouldn't like to be friends with.
00:17:11
Speaker
It's like yeah bro Silicon Valley types. it's kind of like that Sam Altman freed, uh, you know, like, uh, what are the, what do they call that? Effective altruism and stuff.
00:17:23
Speaker
Yeah. Um, but so this, this person is a Sam Bankman free. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty, you know, pretty smart person. Um, got a degree in computer science, uh, briefly worked at NASA, uh, um,
00:17:41
Speaker
had a couple of other, a lot of the people involved in this kind of come from that tech world. Um, but anyway, when she got involved in a rational, so I guess rationalism is essentially states that like reason is like the chief source of knowledge and that anything else, um,
00:17:58
Speaker
should be kind of disregarded. um So if you can't like logically reason your way into an idea, then it shouldn't be considered as valid. Like your faith or your feelings are irrelevant to the equation.
00:18:12
Speaker
um Ironically, Ziz started when I forget what year was several years ago, Ziz started blogging, which is how she got connected with some of the people that,
00:18:25
Speaker
she's riding with now but uh she quickly went in a direction that's kind of outside of the traditional rationalism which ironically included her personal experiences uh which talk about like that like i'm self-actualized kind of like i'm different kind of shit i it's like yeah you're gonna go into this trans um this rationalism ideology and and and build your identity of it only to say that in your experience, people should follow your version of it.
00:18:59
Speaker
Very goofy. I'm an irrationalist. I don't yeah just follow the butterflies. You just, uh, it's called following your heart, Casey. And, I know you don't like to act like you're one of those kind of, uh,
00:19:16
Speaker
wake hippie, crunchy granola people, but deep down inside, that's what you're doing. how annoying Boy, I could be so annoying if I just dove headfirst into that sort of thing.
00:19:28
Speaker
I could be the worst.
00:19:32
Speaker
I could see you with a drug rug and a pair of Birkenstocks. God, what a weird life that would have been.
00:19:40
Speaker
But they're also like militant vegans, right? Yep, that's another part of it. um To the point where like, and i I just watched like two short videos talking about this whole thing, but.
00:19:53
Speaker
Anarchist too. Sure. Which is convenient. We'll get into why that that's just a convenient mindset and ideology for them. That is a funny term that means a lot of different things to a lot of different people, but it's kind of just a nobody's smart enough to to make rules for me.
00:20:11
Speaker
But the the the lady that I watched the video explaining it, she's also a vegan and I think a rationalist as well.
00:20:23
Speaker
and ah But she some of the stuff that she described Ziz blogging about, was it's so far out there that it's hard to really... I don't know. It's hard to take seriously as if it's like something that this person actually thinks because they were talking about like, you know, coming home and being afraid to shower because there might be ants in the drain that could washed away and stuff like that. This is like paranoid. This is like hypochondria kind shit. It's not like and then when you find that stuff out about people, you go, yeah, you're.
00:20:57
Speaker
your dive into this sort of madness makes sense. Like this is, like it's, it's, you live in a world where everything's so far outside of your control and that, and you develop an ideology to butt up against that anarchist, because I don't like the idea of all these controlling factors.
00:21:14
Speaker
I'm afraid to shower. um afraid And then you, and then, so what you exact control on others to, to try to regain that sense of control. Yeah, I mean, it's either that or it's false virtue.
00:21:30
Speaker
you know it could be. Just showing, like, you think you're vegan. I'm so vegan that I care about insect lives. That's just me. I'm infinitely pure.
00:21:41
Speaker
That's why i should be in charge of you. Which is kind of like a bizarre way to, like, if you are a rationalist, I would think that, like, Your observation of the animal kingdom and the way hierarchies function and the way that the circle of life functions would make you feel like it's an amoral concept of vegan versus non-vegan.
00:22:09
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's where it's it's hard to believe that those are sincere feelings for me, at least, you know, because I feel like that's what a lot of people do. Like a lot of people who are kind of like fringe, whether you're talking about like libertarians or, you know, communists and stuff. It's like it's always like a a demonstration of like the superiority of my ideological purity, you know.
00:22:36
Speaker
I'm so pure that like, yeah I don't pay taxes or, you know, whatever. That kind of stuff comes up eventually. And that's when people's ideologies tend to justify their poor behavior.
00:22:55
Speaker
they become immediately questionable. Right. Like ah BBC, a BBC article I read has had this quote. ah This is what she when she was. This is something from her blog.
00:23:05
Speaker
I realized I was no longer able to stand people, not even rationalists anymore. And I would live the rest of my life completely alone, hiding my reaction to anyone.
00:23:16
Speaker
It was useful to interact with. I had given up my ability to see beauty so I could see evil. And you just go stop blowing yourself, please. Like that's meaningless platitudes.
00:23:32
Speaker
I just sort, I just, yeah, well you're clearly, you're clearly writing in a way that serves your own purposes. As a rationalist, you can't stand people, not even rationalists like you've transcended.
00:23:45
Speaker
um That's a major red flag. And this person really goes out of their way to, um to just pick up the pace on, ah the raising of red flags because, uh, I guess she organized a protest outside of a rationalist organizations movement.
00:24:04
Speaker
Um, they had They were holding... out they were This rationalist organization was holding on... Not moving. They were holding an event. A public event. And Ziz organized a protest of it.
00:24:17
Speaker
ah the The reasons and of were seemingly unknown. like i don't I don't know specifically what they were protesting. There wasn't much to find on that.
00:24:29
Speaker
was just like... I don't know. It's just something people do sometimes. um And she was arrested for that. ah But instead of showing up in court, she faked her own death in 2022. Now that's a boss move. I like that.
00:24:47
Speaker
Her lawyer noted whether or not we know the lawyer knew about it being fake death or not. Who knows? um It doesn't matter because ah lawyers can know but not know.
00:24:58
Speaker
um But her lawyer noted that she had died in a boating accident. and There was even an obituary in Alaskan paper, which is where she had previously lived before she went to college in California.
00:25:10
Speaker
um But this ended up showing up in in Vallejo. I think that's how you say that town in California city. Yeah, I think so. Uh, not long after the obituary was published.
00:25:24
Speaker
And at this point she had like quote unquote members of her group. She had like a small posse going, um, And what they were doing was living ah in trucks and on vans on land owned by a guy named Curtis Lind.
00:25:42
Speaker
um And because they're so anarchist and and really sticking to their values and their ethos, they eventually refused to pay rent.
00:25:54
Speaker
And Curtis sued them over it. um But... In November of 2022, they stabbed him 50 times. Whoa!
00:26:05
Speaker
Apparently they ah you know weren't happy about him using the law that they don't have any respect for to come after him. They blinded him in one eye. And during this altercation... so During the, l I guess he fired a gun that killed one of the squatters, Emma Baranian.
00:26:24
Speaker
um And she was someone who ah was at that protest with Ziz. ah That was the aforementioned protest. So two of the members were charged with attempted murder.
00:26:38
Speaker
He lived? He lived. Yes. He got stabbed 50 times and he lived. Yes. Yep. For now. For now, okay. Okay.
00:26:50
Speaker
ah Yeah, so ah they they he's going after him to try to get the money. Things are a little charged. They stab him. He shoots them. One of them dies, but um the the ah ah two of the members of Ziz's posse are picked up for attempted murder.
00:27:07
Speaker
um Curtis got off on a self-defense charge, which seems reasonable. Yeah. So say ah fifty tea times what do you do after looking after being stabbed 50 times and you're still alive? Like, what do you do? You just look down at your bloody mess of a torso and be like, ah, nuts.
00:27:28
Speaker
It must have been a small knife. Um, the two people who stabbed him are, uh, in, they're currently in jail waiting, um, uh, sentencing, uh, or,
00:27:43
Speaker
Let me go back to my notes. ah Waiting trial. um This was there, but wasn't charged, which is she went real mad with it. Just didn't take part. yeah It feels like that must be the case. So now one month later, the parents of Michelle Zajko, the woman who was arrested with Ziz last month, her parents were shot to death in Pennsylvania.
00:28:11
Speaker
and Michelle was held briefly, but eventually was released. And this happened to be with Michelle at the time and was charged with obstruction and disorderly conduct.
00:28:23
Speaker
Um, nothing again came of that, but they were in Pennsylvania. this is was with Michelle. They were at like a hotel when all this happened.
00:28:35
Speaker
Uh, they had, I
Global Atrocities and Desensitization
00:28:36
Speaker
think separate rooms and, um, it became clear to law enforcement that they were together. So they tried to talk to Ziz and that's when they arrested her for disorderly conduct, um, and obstruction. so on the January this year, um,
00:28:52
Speaker
of this year um going back to curtis he was stabbed to death by a man dressed completely in black uh sneaking up on him bop bop bop quick stabby stab uh this man's name was maximilian snyder uh he was eventually charged with the murder because uh it was believed that he wanted to stop uh curtis from testifying in the attempted murder trial So there wasn't an immediate connection, i i guess, to the Zizians, but for whatever reason, it became apparent that this was the only motive in what they most likely were suspecting.
00:29:31
Speaker
lot of inconvenient circumstances surrounding several deaths. um And then a few days later is when the Border Patrol Guard in Vermont was killed.
00:29:43
Speaker
um And this is according to the BBC article again, two Zizians, Teresa Youngblood and Felix Bockholt, who it later turns out was connected to Snyder, the man who killed Curtis. um Allegedly, they were they apparently applied for marriage licenses back in November of 2024. Mm hmm.
00:30:04
Speaker
So there's a weird connection through that. And that's the only that's the only way they kind of connected this whole group together. Don't get a little let a little attempted homicide get in the way of romance, I guess. yeah Not true love, man. can't stop that shit.
00:30:18
Speaker
um So they were pulled over by the U.S. Border Patrol agent ah David Malland near the Canadian border in Vermont. A firefight ensued. Buchholz, who is actually a German citizen, ah who also went by the name Ophelia.
00:30:34
Speaker
Another common thing, these people go by names they made up. they're all Pretty much everyone in it is in the group, I believe, is some sort of like also ah like a non-binary or transgender person.
00:30:48
Speaker
um So for whatever reason, the um rationalist vegan ideology is really taking hold in some ah wayward, non-binary, trans kind of people as well. So I don't know what their stories are that caught them to all get wrapped up in this mess together.
00:31:08
Speaker
But um so Ophelia or Buckholt was killed in the shootout with Malin and Youngblood, who goes by Milo was wounded and arrested on firearms charges.
00:31:25
Speaker
The shooting led to a wider hunt for members of the group after police said the gun used to kill Malland was bought by Michelle Zajko, the woman whose parents were murdered in Pennsylvania.
00:31:39
Speaker
Yeah, that's too many coincidences. It's crazy because it's like ah in all these different areas too. It's California, Pennsylvania, and Vermont. Michelle's just doing like hashtag van life slash a string of shootings.
00:31:57
Speaker
So, uh, this is, this was wanted for failure to appear in court and the new evidence against this, uh, about, uh,
00:32:08
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against Zajko's parents murder had come up. Um, assuming this had something to do with Michelle buying the gun that killed the border patrol guard. Uh, they were found a, uh, they were found in February.
00:32:21
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I don't have the exact dates, but when I wrote this, it was probably end of February. Um, they were found sometime in the middle of February because they were trying to camp on someone else's property in Maryland. And they were just kind of going to,
00:32:36
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play in the whole same old bullshit. They kind of showed up to this person and intimidated them and strong armed them to let them stay on their property. Uh, that person ended up calling the cops, um, in the three of them, uh, Daniel blank, Michelle Zajko and Jack Ziz Lesoto were all arrested.
00:32:59
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there I mean, that person's lucky that and that the cops actually did something. I know. You know, because there is like very good chance they were going to end up mysteriously shot to death.
00:33:12
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No kidding. and what's crazy is like when they start getting into this whole like ah we don't need to pay like we don't need to. like they They start rationalizing like breaking laws because, oh, these laws are meaningless.
00:33:27
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And they start refusing to pay rent because why should they be beholden to anybody? And then they start talking about like being justified in self-defense in the face of eviction.
00:33:42
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So now you're just rationalizing the use of violence against people who you're illegally squatting on their land. Like it's the most self-serving ideology. It's not an ideology. It's what is. I think what's really interesting about it is it's, it's just self self-interest. Yeah.
00:33:58
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Yeah, that's it. and And whatever work, you'll just you'll come up with a new rule, a new rationale for why you disadvantaging somebody else, but thinking you have the right to self-defense when someone disadvantages you works. And instead of being instead of that just being a complete paradox, you just rationalize it.
00:34:18
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Yeah, yeah. It's not. It's easy to do that if you don't think of the other person as like a a person in the same way that you are, you know. Right.
00:34:29
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It's like you can justify... No unalienable light rights....firebombing babies and children and stuff for, you know, over a year until you just completely ah obliterate them. It seems to be a common occurrence, you know?
00:34:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's getting a little too... I think it's crazy how... um Not to shift too hard too fast, but... the level of comfort that we've all had to like adapt to, to live in this, this time, like starting with Ukraine into Gaza, we're like, we're just living in a world where people like, and it's like, we know it's always happened throughout human history. Horrible things have happened and people have always justified it. But, um, we've, i was going to say we've had less involvement. We've had less direct involvement. Yeah. You know, your occasional color revolution and coup, um,
00:35:25
Speaker
But to just like... you know, fully license what Israel's done. And just now we all just go, yeah, it's crazy. Did you see the, did you see the story that came out the other day about ah relief workers getting carpet bombed? Wow, man, that's crazy. That's pretty fucked up. Like the our baseline is our baseline for a year has just been atrocities occurring and us having to, like you just talk about it. Like it's, ah you know, like it was a Senate vote or something.
00:35:56
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Yeah, it's like it's it's so commonplace at this point that they they don't even put in the the work to like try and put a nice face on it. You know, it's just like, yeah, well, you know, I don't know.
00:36:09
Speaker
Wipe them out. I guess that's all there is to do. Dude, it's that story is interesting, though, because it it kind of has some parallels to one that I was listening to today. ah yeah.
Randy Stare's Downfall and Mental Illness
00:36:22
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Yeah, there was this this guy named Randy Stare that in like 2017, he went on a shooting spree at a at a supermarket that he worked at.
00:36:33
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But it's such a weird story because it's like this... That was like around the time that mass shootings were getting pretty cool, right? 2003? Yeah. Yeah, it was a hot topic at that point.
00:36:44
Speaker
Yeah, kicked off really in 99, pretty strong, carried carried into the early 2000s without so much of a hiccup. It's like stomp clap and beard and beard beard beer and bacon jokes, and then mass shootings picked up the slack after that.
00:37:03
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it It was around the same time that ah finger mustache tattoos were relevant for seeing kids. Yeah, it's like you got to put that energy into something when that fades out.
00:37:16
Speaker
But this kid, ah yeah dude, it's such a weird story because he's he was like ah an early YouTuber, like in the, you know, like early 2010s and made like skit videos and stuff like that.
00:37:30
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um But he got like obsessed with this cartoon. um There was a cartoon like I don't know exactly what years it ran, but I think it was like late 2000s called it was called like Johnny Phantom.
00:37:44
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don't know if it was like a Nickelodeon thing or something like that. But Danny Phantom, Danny Phantom. Yes. Yeah, that was a yeah. OK, I think that was a Nickelodeon cartoon. Yeah. So there was like a side character that was only in like one or a few episodes called ah Ember Blaze.
00:38:03
Speaker
And she's like this turquoise haired rock musician in the show that apparently died in a house fire. This kid like just gets completely obsessed with this cartoon character. Wait.
00:38:17
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The cartoon character died in a house fire? Apparently. She was like a ghost that played... Oh, that's right. daily f Yeah, yeah. so Okay. So he gets like all infatuated with this cartoon character and he was like...
00:38:34
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you know struck he had like gender dysphoria dysphoria or whatever and you know wanted to be a he really he He kind of developed like this whole like fantasy world based around like these this this one character and then like original characters that he thought of himself.
00:38:54
Speaker
Which is really strange. It's like very weird how the whole thing went. And it was like he he came up with this thing called ember ghost Ember's Ghost Squad. And he was convinced that like he was after his death, he was going to join Ember's Ghost Squad because she like recruits lost souls and they were going to like...
00:39:14
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take over the planet and, you know, enslave the human race. And, and it's like, dude, it's like this terrible, like, like junkie cartoon rendering of a person. And to the, and it's like, it wasn't like, ah he didn't think of it as like a, a representation of this thing. Like he actually talks about like how excited he is to like have his feminine cartoon body and stuff. Okay. Dude.
00:39:39
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Yeah. Hyper fixation mixed with what's clearly you know a mental illness here um is so wild. like when you And it's not an uncommon thing to see.
00:39:53
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um would would I don't know if mass murder always the right way to put that, but I just... Just watch out for that, is I guess what I'm saying. Like, if you're around somebody that seems a little too into something, maybe check out your your local red flag laws, ah something like that.
00:40:12
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like Yeah. yeah It's just not good. It's not good when you see people like invest their entire persona into some make-believe shit, especially if you pair that with like some sort of like isolationism.
00:40:27
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ah It gets wild. Well, that was like kind of the thing that was like weird about it. And then I looked up a few other things about him and – You know, just I'm always curious to look at like YouTube comments and stuff around subjects like that, because people have an they have a tendency to like ah they they you know, they they get obsessive over like understanding this person. And like, I think it almost like the the mental health side of his story it almost takes center stage in a way that I don't know if it's fully justified because the flip side of that is that he was a hateful little prick like his entire life.
00:41:08
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And he just like purposely like push people away and like reveled in his like dark, lonely persona and this and that and the other. And it was almost like, i serve the dark Lord.
00:41:21
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Yeah, it was just it was like this, you know, I'm above other people and I have nothing in common with them. I don't want to be around them. I don't want to talk to them, you know, and he had a few friends like online, but even them, he just like purposely like pushed out and, you know, like isolated himself from and in doing so, like got more and more like obsessed with this cartoon character.
00:41:47
Speaker
ugh. and it so It's just so weird. And then like he goes to the supermarket at night with a shotgun and like murders like ah ah a Navy man who is engaged to you know his this lady and an old man and 25-year-old girl with an infant.
00:42:07
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And just like listening to this guy make it... Did you have a manifesto that explained why he was doing that? Oh, he's got hours and hours of videos of him just like ranting about how how you know how insignificant and and you know unimportant other people are and like they're just basically just dehumanizing everyone around him and like reveling in his hatred of them that they didn't earn i mean it's not like it's not like he was picked on to some crazy degree or anything like that like
00:42:40
Speaker
He was kind of mad that he didn't you know he didn't find success like on YouTube and stuff. He never got to be like a celebrity whatever. There we go. it And it's everybody else's fault. He was clearly pumping out the greatest content of all time, and the fact that nobody liked it was because they were terrible and they didn't deserve to live.
00:42:59
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Yeah, yeah, he's making all these like crappy like animations that he's working on himself, you know, and it's it's just over and over again, like Nickelodeon cartoon teen drama, of like, oh, the bully pushed my character...
00:43:13
Speaker
character Michaela down but she gets her revenge in the end and he would like splice himself and like this crappy like stock rock music over top of it and everything and it's like you almost like you look at the comments and people are like well he was just really sick it's like he was sure but also like he sucks and you know there's like ah there's a there's a point at which it doesn't like I don't care that he was sick You know, he murdered like some some infant's mother. Right. At the of the day, it's like, yeah, but but nobody noticed. Nobody tried to help him He wasn't willing to get help. He had no recognition of it. Like, what at what point do we, you know, it's almost like him being sick is is beneficial for our understanding of.
00:44:04
Speaker
ah the darkest corners of the human mind and understanding whatever the there's value in understanding it. But yeah,
Exploring Misunderstood Behavior through Film
00:44:11
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at some point, like, let's just, e I think you can cut the empathy act a little bit.
00:44:17
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Uh, when it gets to a certain point, it's like, yeah I want it. It's I've mentioned the movie, like probably three times over the four plus years we've been doing the podcast, but world's greatest dad.
00:44:29
Speaker
um The Robin Williams movie. I've never watched it, but I've heard about it. And that's what it's like. He's a high school English. I think he's a high school English teacher, but his son is just a trash ass garbage kid.
00:44:44
Speaker
that treats everyone like shit, treats him like shit. And they, they, they set the stage up that like under no circumstances, is it anybody's fault? Really? It's just, this kid is terrible for terrible sake. They, and I like the way they build that. Cause in a lot of, a lot of movies or TV shows, like you, you want a reason why somebody's bad.
00:45:05
Speaker
And that's helpful for narrative purposes and most dramatic tellings of a story. um For this, it's irrelevant. The idea, you're not, you you're just You're just supposed to walk away with the the understanding that this kid is trash and for absolutely no reason at all was horrible to everybody in his life.
00:45:24
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um And it's supposed to be, it's represented as completely unjustified because this kid is just a really, it's a narrative prop more than it is a person um because he dies from autoerotic asphyxiation and Robin Williams' character is like,
00:45:41
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ah trying to like navigate, trying to like, he want to protect his son who he loved despite his son being awful and like not wanting that information to get out.
00:45:54
Speaker
But then like everyone in his school who he treated like crap was like, well, you know, he was a troubled kid and he was actually like a good person deep down inside. and none of it's true. It's just what people do when someone does like somebody dies. It's how we cope with it.
00:46:11
Speaker
Yeah, I love it. ever It's one of my favorite movies. um That's interesting. I should watch that. It's really good. It's super dark. It's not funny, even though it's labeled as a comedy. It's like, it's funny in concept and in thought and and it's relatable.
00:46:27
Speaker
Like, years down the road. Like i think about that movie a lot and I go, that's crazy funny, but you're not laughing at it. Right. It's like a dark, fantastic film. So, well, and you see people do that. Like, i mean, how many times over the years have you heard like narratives about, uh,
00:46:45
Speaker
Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, like the Columbine shooters being bullied and stuff like that. And it's and they really weren't. They were they were just awful. Like there was no like there was no root cause of it that that is easy to pick out, you know, or some like sympathetic reason why they turned to violence. They were just just.
00:47:07
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but I forget which one of them was like the leader of the two. I think it's Dylan Klebold, but just a nasty, hateful little prick. Yeah. And it shows you how like our humans have propensity for meaning making, right?
00:47:22
Speaker
Like our default is to be like, we have to make sense of this. Like it needs to and not only we have to make sense of it, but it has, to we have to make sense of it within the schemas that we have. um We can't like, we're not making room for a new understanding. and We're trying to make something that doesn't align with our understanding and view of the world make sense.
00:47:42
Speaker
So that way we don't have to readjust the way we operate or receive information. Yeah, like
Conspiracy Theories and Scandals
00:47:47
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maximalist conspiracy theories. You know, it's like I firmly believe that like Jeffrey Epstein was running a blackmail operation tied to like multiple intelligence agencies and stuff like that. And all sorts of horrible things happen on that island and it is other you know houses and stuff.
00:48:04
Speaker
But I don't think that that controls every part of our government. And I don't think that every single senator and celebrity was involved, you know, and it's just I think it's more comforting at times to think that like there is some sort of rhyme or reason, however dark it is behind why things are the way they are. And and in truth, it's, you know, maybe it's just mostly greed and self-interest that are responsible for like the way that things are, you know.
00:48:32
Speaker
Yeah, the way that things are going currently, the way that we – yeah. And it's funny because even with the Epstein thing, like what some of the more popular conspiracy theories are, that in order to in order to get a foothold within higher ranks of government, they like they were – the cabal or deep state or what have you were – requires blackmail information. Like the only people who are going to float to the top are the ones who have blackmail on them. That's career ruining and life ruining.
00:49:04
Speaker
And yeah, I mean, it doesn't not make sense, but then you also like you go, yeah, but also when you think you're above the rules, above the law, you get to legislate way in ways that ah build your own stock portfolios and self-interests and Yeah. At the end of the day, you're just going to become a shitty person that justifies all of your but that justifies all of your actions as like some sort of, well, this is what's best for America. Like, cause you've got to tell yourself that like, yeah, you're going to find your way into some shitty things. Now, obviously with Epstein, those shitty things are, uh, child abuse related, uh, which is, you know, that's also, it's also frustrating that the, that the,
00:49:51
Speaker
the right the far right conspiracy theorists like to peddle that because we see them use that trope all the time because it's the most gut-wrenching it's the most you get the most visceral reaction out of it yeah so it's almost like it it occupies the space that satanic worship used to in like pop culture and stuff where it is sometimes combined with it still Yeah, but it's like the taboo, you know, horrific nature of something like that. Like, it's kind of worn off with, like, the whole idea of Satanism and stuff. People don't really buy into that sort of thing as much anymore.
00:50:29
Speaker
Now, instead, it's the ultimate evil is, like, pedophilia. Yeah. a Dude, i of the last like several weeks, I've seen probably five or six articles of, you know, ah evangelical pastors who had some sort of campaign against sexual malfeasance and and ah let's Just sexual quote unquote sin in general, maybe up to five articles on them getting like busted for underage shit.
00:51:04
Speaker
um ah One of them is the guy who ah is it in the pen is it in Pennsylvania somewhere in the South ah was responsible for the thank you Jesus signs. Did you see that? Oh, really? Yeah.
00:51:15
Speaker
Yeah, I don't, i've i mean i've I mean, I've seen plenty of them around. um I'm Googling it as we go because I want to get the headline right. um Thank you, Jesus guy signs. A man known for his thank you, Jesus signs charged with sexual sexual exploitation of minor.
00:51:34
Speaker
And it's just like, um' dude, it's just getting really fucking old and annoying to see all these people. like all So much of this, like I don't mean Jesus stuff in the sense that like you do it, it's your personal life. it's But that these people who go out of their way to like be grandiose about it. I'm going to get these signs in everybody's yard. It's like...
00:51:57
Speaker
Yeah, it's it just makes so much sense that you're trying to trying to make amends for some sick thought or deed that you've done. Yeah, it's yeah, cover your tracks with your like public displays of righteousness.
00:52:12
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Yeah, it's just it's so prevalent. It's so frustrating because, ah you know, I don't know if it's just my social media algorithm at this point, but I feel like you see more sexual exploitation in that arena than you do and any you or maybe they're just getting caught more in that arena because they're not, you know, right.
00:52:35
Speaker
Yeah, could be clever. And they don't have the financial means of politicians to cover their tracks. But I don't know. It's prevalent. And I think that it makes sense because if you if you hate yourself for having certain thoughts, you could be more likely to shift into a system of belief that will help you that that you believe will help you.
00:52:59
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dampen them, manage them. And then after, like, as we know, with forms of repression without therapy, you know, you end up, you end up acting. um But we also know that our society does the naughty.
00:53:13
Speaker
We, yeah, but we also know that our society does not allow, like we don't have a space in our society for, I'm struggling with thoughts regarding minors, you know? uh you can't just like walk into a therapist's office and and drop that knowledge and get the quote-unquote help that you think you need like maybe there's something broken about you when you're ah at that point i don't know and think so i don't know like if but because of the taboo there we don't have any real information or studies on whether or not like
00:53:46
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through therapeutic means you can fix that. It's usually like repression, repression, repression, action, prison, and then I don't know. I don't, I don't, I'm not offering a solution.
00:53:58
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I'm not trying to build sympathy ah for people who. You should write an AA for pedophiles. Yeah. I'm not trying to make that my, ah my legacy. Maybe that's the other reason we're not going to, no one's going out of their way to try to be like, we should help these people because it's like, I'm not going to be the guy who comes to the aid of pedophiles.
00:54:21
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Yeah, which is
Ethical Complexities in AI and Cult Classification
00:54:22
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funny because it's like, it would be interesting to know. It's not a thing that you can, well, it's like, yeah it's not a thing that you could ever figure out for sure, but it would be interesting to know what the ah the stats were on people who like,
00:54:36
Speaker
went out of their way to help pedophiles like control themselves and get better and stuff like that versus the people who publicly campaign against them and never shut up about him. Like which yeah one of those two groups is the most likely to be a predator themselves?
00:54:52
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, right. It's also not a group you really want to study because you're like, let's see if we can cure this person. And then if you don't, you're like, shit, we're kind of culpable for some fucked up shit that just went down. We let, we tried to fix this guy and just let him go about his business. And now we're kind of, but we're kind of on the hook for, we're recommending immersion therapy. We're going to sign him up to help at this Sunday school.
00:55:21
Speaker
Oh God. You know, cold turkey, that's ah that's an outdated concept. I mean, and it won't work. this is why but This is where a terrible direction to drift, ah but where conversations around AI are like, hey, is this the outlet these people need?
00:55:39
Speaker
Like, I don't, I'm not comfortable with those conversations. Nope. But they're being had. They are being had. I'm just saying they're being had. It's fucking wild. Anyway. Yeah.
00:55:52
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Back to the Zizians real quick before we close out. I'm very interested to see. I want, I'm, I haven't checked in on this in a couple of weeks, um but I'm very interested to see ah if this goes in any particular direction or more people are found out to have some sort of association with them or the murders.
00:56:14
Speaker
It is weird for it to be brand. It's being branded as a cult ah because I think that is helpful when you want people to click on your links. um
Casey's Adventure in Colorado
00:56:23
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But outside of just being absolute shitheads, and I don't think they have a real ethos. Their ethos is...
00:56:29
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I do what I want. Like, that's not a real, like, i don't know. that You're not going to write a manifesto about that. um Right. Well, I guess you kind of could if you wanted to get wordy about it, but it would boil down. Like they're not really looking to add to their ranks.
00:56:46
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Yeah, yeah. um And i don't know what kind of control this person has over everybody else or if they're all just a bunch of losers ah who have violent tendencies and and no money. Like like double-digit stabbings.
00:57:03
Speaker
Yeah. We're vegan. God forbid we kill an animal, but my parents, no problem there. Yeah.
00:57:12
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so okay talking about columbine so i had a weird interaction last weekend so okay well dont yeah okay i'll get there so we went on like a ah company trip with uh some of my sales reps who sold over a certain amount you know and we kind of did like a a nice like weekend getaway thing with them, you know, to celebrate.
00:57:41
Speaker
uh, we went to Colorado and went snowmobiling that the people who could afford it based on how well they sold got the free thing. That feels an awful lot like celebrities getting free cars.
00:57:52
Speaker
I think you need to rebrand a little bit. I think you need to take the people who did the worst and, And just pump them up with a nice trip, dude. I think that's what you should do.
00:58:05
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No. salesman i don't know
00:58:10
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You have to feel rotten about your underperformance so you can strive to do better. you have to you And even if you never get there, you might achieve like a a a useful level of safe self-hatred.
00:58:22
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You require that they follow everybody on Instagram who goes on the trips just so they have to see the pictures pumped into their feed. Hey, look what you're missing. You fucking weak little bitch.
00:58:36
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So we go to Colorado and we rented a snowmobiles for a couple days and like rode around in the mountains. It's very fun. was a good trip. Um, but some of the guys didn't want to go the second day.
00:58:49
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Cause it's, you know, you're, you're at 11,000 feet. Some people didn't feel well when we were way up there and stuff. So, um, they didn't like that kind of work. They wanted to get back to sales. Oh, it's too hard snowmobiling. I'd rather be out selling.
00:59:05
Speaker
They wanted to sit closer to sea level and drink. That's what they wanted to do. I get, that might be the crew that you'd be in. Yeah. So we so those guys, they chose not to go snowmobile in the second day.
00:59:19
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And instead, they went to this big event that was going on in town. So it was in Grand Lake, Colorado. And they were doing this. Have you ever heard of ski ski joring?
00:59:31
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No, I don't think. I never had. This is a really strange thing that apparently is getting a lot of traction and they're supposedly like, so according to some lady that we talked to, they're trying to get it into the Winter Olympics.
00:59:46
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I don't know if that's true, but basically the premise is... They're gonna hard time getting new shit into the Olympics after breakdancing got ruined by laser beam.
00:59:56
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It's true. They're like, alright, fine, breakdancing's in, and they're like, What have we done? Didn't look good. That's for sure. So they, so the way this thing works is they built like a snow obstacle course sort of thing, right down the main strip in town.
01:00:17
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So they had this the main street roped off. They brought in tons of snow and they put in like jumps and stuff like that. And the way this thing works is person on skis is towed at like full gallop by a person on a horse.
01:00:33
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And they have to like go over these jumps and grab rings and like try to like slalom around these like, you know, ah wickets and stuff. And then they like they time them and you you score points based on like how many of the obstacles you get.
01:00:49
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So the horses run
Skeptical Stories and Lessons Learned
01:00:50
Speaker
through the snow? Yeah. Okay. That's actually kind of fucking cool. It was pretty cool to watch. We went we went and watched like the tail end of it that afternoon. How fast can horses run in the snow? I mean, pretty fast.
01:01:06
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Did they give you their MPH? They had like a a radar thing set up, but it wasn't turned on when I was there. So I don't know what the speed was like, but I saw some pretty good crashes.
01:01:18
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Yeah, i bet. Both people. So there was a couple of people that like were, you know, went over the jump and then just like did not stick the landing and they hit like 30 miles an hour just flat on their stomachs into this like icy snow bank that people have been running on all day.
01:01:38
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But the funniest one was one of the like cow pokes that's pulling these guys. He's like showing off the one time and the he's riding down and he kind of ah a slightly bigger guy. who He was he was a thick dude.
01:01:51
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He puts the reins in his teeth and like stretches his arms out. And I don't know what happened, but dude, he got just like all of the teeth ripped out. Yeah.
01:02:02
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He got tossed off the horse, that's for sure. And just like, I mean, a hard wipeout, just pow, knock the wind out of you. Like, right on this like icy street.
01:02:13
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thats is No reason to fall off a horse, but you know, yeah but he had to go no hands with it. What what a bizarre... for ah If they're trying to get into the Olympics, i it's ah it's got to be a growing sport. like But it' it seems like there's too much effort. like you there's there's two You have to do too much.
01:02:37
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It's not an accessible sport at all. like you want to know The people who get into the Olympics are the people who just do it. like There's no it's how competitive can it be when only 45 people in this country fucking play that game i think there's a lot of fake cowboy yuppies that are willing to do it yeah i mean there was certainly a lot there like the i don't know what the median income was of that crowd but it was high it's the it's like that red bull challenge where you have to make the what you just launch that car off a ramp that you make it's like a
01:03:10
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It's like a boxcar racer. Yeah. I would love to watch that. That would be fun. Yeah. So it's like but that's like winter version of that. So the the so the Columbine tie in.
01:03:24
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OK, is I forgot we were coming back to that. So we show up late and the other guys have been like sitting there drinking in the sun, watching the ski thing, like for like four hours at this point. Like the one dude, we're like walking down the street, trying to spot him in the crowd, you know, and you could just see like his bright red forehead sticking up above everybody else's. Got sunburned.
01:03:51
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but They've been drinking all morning and they're like talking to the people around them and stuff like that. And like most of the people that were around them directly, we're all kind of there as a group.
01:04:02
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Then there's like this one lady and she was like a ah you know, kind of a tiny little lady, probably i would guess like late fifties somewhere in there.
01:04:16
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And, uh, she didn't appear to be there with anybody she was just kind of like in the crowd and like trying to mingle with people and stuff but she told one of the one of my guys that her daughter was in the columbine massacre oh god yeah and uh weird information to drop to new people you just meet Yeah, that yeah, that's and so they're telling me this and they're like, yeah, see her daughter was in the Columbine shooting and she got hit 40 times.
01:04:53
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And I was like, what 40 times like what? And they they said, yeah. And she she lived. And I'm like, i what what are we talking about here?
01:05:06
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So then we we start thinking about it. We're like, okay, well, she must have she must have gotten hit with a shotgun blast, you know, because that would be realistic. Was it Columbine porn parody?
01:05:17
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Oh, my God.
01:05:21
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Please tell me that's not real. I know't i have to imagine it's not. I'm not Googling it. I felt bad i feel bad.
01:05:32
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I genuinely feel bad about that joke. Yeah.
01:05:43
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Wow. but You swing for the fence once
01:05:55
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I at least solidified my spot in hell. My family will be disappointed, but also satisfied knowing that they don't have to wander anymore.
01:06:09
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Pastor What's-His-Face was right all those years ago. oh my God. pat what ah Man, I don't remember his name. Brother Franklin or whatever his name was. I can't remember what his name was.
01:06:22
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But, yeah, so we're like, okay, so it must have been like a shotgun. It must have been a shotgun blast. Right. You know, or maybe a couple. I mean, 40 is a lot. That's that's a lot pellets.
01:06:35
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that a lot of pellets But it was just like also the way that she said it, you know, like, oh, yeah, she was hit 40 times. It's like it seems like you that seems like a very sensational way of describing something like that. Right. Yeah. and like Dude, she may very well have been like telling the truth about the whole thing. You know, I mean, I don't know. I. I.
01:06:58
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It was just like alarm bells, you know, where you're like, wow, this lady that we don't know at this event that's like very lighthearted and, you know, and fun drops like a bombshell. And then the way that she talked about it was a little strange. And you're like kind of thinking, yeah I don't know, man. It's getting the details. I feel like the more details you provide to strangers about stuff, the More likely it is that you're making something up.
01:07:26
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I mean, i don't that's i don't know. um i was I'm going to look up. How many people died in Columbine? Oh, I can't remember. it was quite a few.
01:07:37
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But yeah, I don't know. It really, I mean, like it doesn't matter if it was true or not, I guess. But it it just was weird. It's like those things where like... someone's walking around saying shit like that and it's literally untrue, then that person is someone you need to be, they need to be on like a watch list.
01:07:56
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Yeah, it just reminded me of one of those like true crime shows about a lady that kind of like a person who weaves their way into somebody's life with like all these stories and stuff and then come to find out like they're not true.
01:08:07
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yeah Someone who weaves their way into your dorm room and
01:08:13
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cons pawns off all your Xbox games. Yeah.
01:08:20
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Oh my God. You know what's so funny is we did. We talked about having that person on the podcast. I would love to talk to him. And we never did. And I bet they'd still be up for it.
01:08:34
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It's the most important thing I learned in college. i I fully believe that that was the most important thing that I learned in college was like dealing with a compulsive liar.
01:08:45
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Yeah. Yeah.
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01:08:48
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Oh my God. I feel like there's a, I feel like despite our quote unquote education, ah which fine, like ah I'm not going to shit on it too bad. It's not like they're teaching.
01:08:59
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It's not like most it in most programs, you're just getting a bad education. Liberty had a fine education in a lot of categories. um Like communications, for example. yeah Yeah, exactly. I think you and I took the two,
01:09:15
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biggest cop-out degree is possible i think that's why maybe we stayed friends over we're just like not high achievers we're like how do we get through this pretty easily uh we have i've i've mostly i most i'm making up for all those decisions now in my life like it's like i decided in my 30s to like pay penance for all the easy out decisions, all the like easy way out decisions I made for the first 30 years of my life.
01:09:47
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i was like, I should just make that. I should make my thirties as hard as fucking possible. Yeah. You're really going for it. Yeah. You know what you should You should, uh, on top of everything else, you should finance like a crappy old boat.
01:10:02
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Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's the next progression. And then you should adopt ah another dog that bites. Oh my God, dude. We had the full clothes on this. um We had the trainer out today um that we've been working with and he hasn't been out for a while. Cause he, he went to Florida for a bit ah with us getting ready to move. Like it just, our schedules didn't line up.
01:10:25
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So it's probably been like four weeks, five weeks since we've connected with him. And he came out and he goes, he was like, this is like a different dog. Like this is a totally different dog than the one I met five weeks ago.
01:10:39
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Or i guess he met him eight weeks ago, but yeah, it's crazy, dude. Like we bring them over like, cause we're up at the in-law. There's like the, I'm at my in-laws. They had an in-law apartment above their garage.
01:10:53
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That was, um, my wife's grandmother's, uh, before she passed years ago. um So we're staying up there and, um, so the dogs are up there with us, but we bring them over all the time now. And we just started like, we're like, all right, we'll just try it. Like we'll try, like let people know that the dogs are over. So when they come in, they can, you know, but we'll have them, you know, on a leash, whatever, ready to like yank.
01:11:21
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it People just walk and out of the house and he doesn't even get up anymore. Wow. That's all. It's crazy. Um, I'm thrilled, dude. Like, ah Jill's mom hated.
01:11:34
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ah She says she didn't, but we know she hated him. She just didn't. Because she didn't really get to be around him much, and she would just hear us talk about what we were worried about. So she just had it in her mind that we're just.
01:11:46
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hanging around our house with a vicious killer. And that was never the case. Like the kids could jump on top of him and he would be fine. Like he loves our family. He's not, we were, our fear was his, he wasn't safe with towards others.
01:12:00
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Um, And again, I think I might have pointed this out, but I think a lot of the issue was our neighbor who would just scream all the time. And then i was i was kind of in a constant – I didn't even realize until I left my house that I was in a constant state of stress being around that guy.
01:12:18
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Like me I can fucking relax. I'm not wondering what's going on. he, I can hear him screaming inside his house. Just when I go out to get my mail, I can hear him screaming or his, I can hear his TV.
01:12:31
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Like who listens to TV that loud? What the fuck? It's crazy. So, I think our stress impacted his stress. He actually could hear like dog can hear way better than humans.
01:12:43
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So he could just hear our neighbor screaming constantly and flipping the fuck out. I think he was just at my dog was on like this constant state of like, someone's coming to fucking kill us all.
01:12:54
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So anytime anyone knocked at the door or showed up unexpected, I, the, the, Based on his changes, the assumption is he thought he thought that it it was that guy.
01:13:06
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it was probably that guy Yeah. The angry yodeler. Yeah. So man, huge shift. Um, even like my nieces come in, like my brother-in-law and sister-in-law, the nieces come in, the kids come in running.
01:13:20
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The kids are running back and forth, back and forth. I just tell my dog to lay down in his bed and he stays there and he looks at me for like 30 minutes, just waiting for me to tell him to get up. And as soon as I go, okay, then he gets up and goes and checks out what's going on. Like it's du the shift is nuts.
01:13:39
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Man, that's cool. Yeah. Good for him. Success story. I don't have a lot of those at this point in my life. So um I'm used to my animals just being duds. But yeah, man. Anyway, so that's a huge relief for us. Like I just to to not feel that level of stress because ah like he hadn't seen my mom in a while. My mom came over. She came up.
01:14:03
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He just. Walked up to her and greeted her and then went on to do his thing. Like he's not jumping on people like playfully. He's like, even his, like his level of like energy is, don't know. He's not like so tightly wound. It's crazy. It's, it's so wild to see such a shift. It literally feels like I got like, I treat like someone just came in one night and replaced my dog with one that didn't suck.
01:14:28
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My pudgy little fella. Just, he greets me by punching me in the balls. With the snout? Just like every day when I go, you try to get him not to jump, but he like he just kind of stands up halfway on his hind legs and just goes, bam, mashes up.
01:14:46
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You're going to start wearing a cup. Yeah, it's to the point where I ah keep... i'm I'm starting to like instinctively just like cross my legs and twist. you know talking but you get up You get out of your car, you get right before you open the... ah The garage door, you just do a little tuck, squishing between your thighs. You're like, all right, now we good. You just put one in your butt.
01:15:08
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Yeah. And the other kind of just hangs loose. but little mud flap. Yeah. and Well, thanks everybody for listening. um we this was ah This was a quick episode.
01:15:23
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we We recorded an episode last night with a pretty cool guest, but a person has a book coming out next month and we got kind of wait to release it. So, um but fun. I think a lot of you people are fans of this person.
01:15:41
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So, yeah. I think a lot of our listeners are fans. I think, um, I mean, I've been a huge fan for quite some time. It's, uh, I was incredibly excited that we were able to make it work.
01:15:54
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Uh, I also like to brag about when I, when you get people who wrote books on, I love it because you get the, uh, you get that advanced readers edition and having a couple of those on my shelf makes me feel like, uh, I'm not completely wasting my life doing this thing when I have so many other things to do.
01:16:12
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And who doesn't want to hear another interview with Ted Nugent? Uh, Marjorie Taylor green. I can't keep it anymore guys.
01:16:23
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It's bubbling. Yeah.
01:16:27
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So yeah, keep an eye out for that. And we will talk to you next time.