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Historical Epics (The Sequel)
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Continuing last episode's discussion of historical epics featuring the first and second 'Gladiator' movies.
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Introduction and Host Greetings
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You're listening to the Sleepy Games Podcast.
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Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?
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So welcome to the next episode of the Sleepy Games Podcast. We'll be up your house. James Games and the lovable, adorable, and sentimental. Sleepy Gen. Oh, buddy. You always know how to warm me right up there. I always want to tap myself. I'm making you feel good. You accomplish it every time, buddy.
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Uh, man, I like this going right into it. That was nice. I like that. Yeah. Keep that in.
Episode Theme: Gladiator 2 and Recent Movies
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Um, so for, for, for this episode, we are, we haven't a long awaited, uh, gladiator two episode. Um, Are you calling this the gladiator episode or is this going to be like historic epics part two? Well, I mean, yes. Cause I mean, it depends on how you feel about the movie, uh, and how epic and historical.
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Historically accurate, I guess it is. Well, I actually have had one other radio have an interesting tidbit to ah to to go into, so. Okay. Because I had no idea while I was watching this. I was like, I don't know. I'm sure it's a question that some people would have. although I mean, I guess you can always, you know, GTS, Google that shit, but you know what I mean. but Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited.
Christmas Movies and Comparisons
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But before we get into it, um we we always like to discuss what we watched this week. ah Anything that's new or something that's just right kate came down the road that happened to be on and you haven't seen before. Is there anything that you watched other than Gladiator 2 want to discuss? All right. Okay. This is the thing. like We watched something. It was just this movie. Okay. I guess we are going into that time. I couldn't tell you the name of it. and I know it's the new Lindsay Lohan flick.
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ah It's a Christmas one, you said? It's a Christmas one. It just came out. I'm trying to find a... I know she had one. Hold on. I'm on a GTS there right now. Okay. Because I know she had one a few years back. And I'm wondering if it's like a sequel to that movie. It's not a part two, is it? No, no, no, no. I knew it, okay. Is it a Hallmark movie or was it on Netflix?
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The falling for Christmas? I don't think it was that one. I thought it just came out. I should know. like no you You see how much I was paying it? I was paying it to the movie. but see wasn't like yeah the the The falling for Christmas, that's the one I remembered. ah yeah I got it. hour really Our little secret. That's what it's called. Because, ah ah yeah like ah
Favorite Holiday Drinks Discussion
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yeah, I'm assuming you haven't seen it. I bet.
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Okay, so ah all in all, I'll say it wasn't bad. Have you ever seen ah The Ref, the one with the ah Kevin Spacey and- No, I never saw the one. i mean I know of it, I know the premise, but I've never seen it.
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Oh yeah, that is a terrific Christmas movie, you should definitely watch it. But it kinda gave me like similar vibes in that like with the family kind of drama and stuff like that. It was surprisingly good. like ah I enjoyed it. like i'm I'm not gonna say that a lot of times you get kind of these Christmas Hallmark movies, like they're very formulaic.
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uh and but this one it was enjoyable like i i didn't mind it obviously it's a bit of a rom-com obviously but uh you know i haven't seen anything with lindsay lohan in a while so is it is good you know i guess she's still got it i guess i i don't know like she's still got acting or her looks she's still got it I guess both. I don't know. guys It doesn't look bad. I don't know. like ah I don't know. like it's ah It was good. like It was a good movie. like i'm not i'm not ah I'm not a huge Christmas movie type of guy. I'm sure that, you know, you probably figured that out. But like especially those types of and in wrong comms and all that stuff. But it was it was good. like it is It's got some good but family drama. I actually did laugh a few times. like And if you know if I find myself laughing, I'm like, oh, this isn't a bad movie. This is some good chuckles.
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I enjoyed it. I would, I would recommend it if you're in the mood for like, uh, you know, just one of those more family friendly Christmas movies, maybe more on the PG side and it's not like super family. You know what I mean? Like got some jokes, but yeah. I actually thought you said you were going to see, you saw a hot frosty, all which has the other, the other co-star of, uh, Lindsay Lohan's and Mean Girls.
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Alright James, i'm I'm not proud of this. I'm not proud of this at all. I have also watched that one probably last- You didn't bring that one up on the show? Probably in the last few weeks at some point. Oh my god. Now now how good or bad was that film?
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Uh, yeah, that one is, uh, it's bad. It, it, it, it, like, it, okay. Like, I mean, it's, it, like, yeah, it's a bad, I, I, I, it's, it's definitely, definitely for the ladies. Uh, yeah, like, I mean, it's even in the, in the title. Uh, I didn't really find the only thing that was like kind of redeeming. They had a couple of the, uh,
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Uh, cast from Brooklyn Nine-Nine. They had the, uh, the Pontiac Bandit. I don't know if you watched Brooklyn Nine-Nine much. Oh yeah, I've seen several episodes, yeah. Okay, so they had the Pontiac Bandit, which was a, it's kind of like a recurring cameo role. And then, I don't remember the actor's name, so don't ask. And then the, uh, the, the, kind of the, the nerdy detective that was a bit of a foodie, whose name I also don't remember. He was definitely like, he had, he was in a crazy food all the time. Uh, I think Joe, is it Jolo Truglio or something like that? Or is that his name?
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I'm not sure. I don't know. Either way, it had those two guys. ah that Their scenes were pretty good. like yeah like But the movie, it it's definitely, you can skip it. You're not going to miss anything. I guess unless you want to watch a guy that you know is hot, hot, frosty or whatever the hell it was. ah I just love you watching these movies. Yeah. well you know the The woman likes the Christmas movies. yes yeah on whatever and like you Like I said, sometimes you end up watching, you're like, wow, this is actually pretty good. A lot of times I'm like, yes. It's like, let me go get let me go get a stiff drink. that That would help you get through the movie better, I'm sure. but the This looks like eggnog. It's just straight rum with some nutmeg on top. ah dude ae I love me some eggnog. I assume you're a fan.
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Oh, a good friend. Okay. No, a lot of my friends that that they they kind of make their own. I usually just buy like the whatever they have in the store and then just put other mixers in it like other bourbon. You should make it stronger stronger because like I think it's only like 14-15% alcohol like the ones you get the store. um I like when it's in the but that like lower 20 range. I think it's like just right.
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Okay. Yeah. If you have more fun, you have some fireball, maybe some bourbon. It really gives me that next pick. Mine isn't very, I've had people's homemade eggnog before. Like there are, like some people make some really delicious homemade eggnog. Mine is ah may leave something to be desired, I guess. ah It's basically a third, third and third. You put eggnog, Pepsi or Coke, and rum. A third of each.
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You mix it up and you're good to go. It's kind of like a little bit of an eggnog paralyzer type deal. I like that. It's good. it It like, it is good. And then obviously, I mean, as the night goes on, you know, you start putting less eggnog and less Pepsi and more rum. Or maybe you put more, of whatever you're into. Maybe you put more Pepsi. It's all good, man. It's all good. yeah If I really want to get fancy, I just sprinkle the nutmeg on top.
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You know, if you, if you want to, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you don't, nutmeg is perfect. If you don't have nutmeg, just a little bit of cinnamon. I mean, you don't, you don't need anything for this drink. It is good though. Third, third and third. Uh, it, it does the trick. It's a good festive drink. I highly recommend it. Put a couple of ice cubes in there, obviously, but you got to drink it quick. You don't want the ice cubes to melt. to count on no no That one's not good. Yeah.
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um anyways Anyway. alright ah Classic us, getting off topic.
Golden Globe Nominations and Conclave
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So ah the the Golden Globe Awards were announced today. Okay. um One of the more prestigious awards, you know, behind the the Oscars and the Emmys um and the SAG Awards, let's be real.
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um so I watched one of these numbers nominations for best motion picture drama. Well, first, before I get into that, one of the nominees on here was The Penguin. Did you stop The Penguin yet? Sorry, sorry, man.
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yeah One of these days, it's going to change. like I have have quite a bit of time off, I think, coming up with Christmas. I'm going to try to put it into the rotation. I got i still got to watch Arcane too, because I know the second season's come out. Yes. I'm excited about that as well. Oh, dude, you should watch this back-to-back. like Watch One Penguin, One Arcane. I think that i that's a good palette cleanse for it. because like i mean I mean, actually,
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Both of them actually turned emotional rollercoasters, let's be real. I don't, maybe, ah I mean, but they're both fantastic shows. Okay, yeah, just watch for that, but ah yeah. yeah um But yeah, I was nominated for best a show or best mini series, along with best actor and best actress.
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at the Golden Globes. So the film the film I watched this past week that was nominated today was a film called Conclave. You ever heard of this film called Conclave? I have not. So Conclave stars Ray Fiennes, one of our favorites. yeah um It has to do with the or electing a new pope after the after the pope dies. And there's a lot, like, this is actually,
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very you know fictionalized and everything, a dramatized version of it, where there's a lot of... ah Well, i mean i I mean, maybe there's not, because I'm sure there's a lot we don't know that goes into the election process of finding a new pope. And it's kind of mostly of making sure that there's nothing that they've done in their past that could be dug up in this day and age.
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that can make the did like the whole, you know, they make them look bad. um that's That's never happened, James. yeah I know. was So that was interesting to get back because like they're like, that you're digging to find, but this person has a clean record and they can do the job of being the Pope, um you know, the the best way possible. So said that they they're not embarrassed or ah that people will lose faith most importantly.
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ah and it was a great The cast, you have Ray Fiennes, John Lithgow, yeah You have Stanley Tucci, three of them, fantastic. Brilliant. um They all played up off each other very well. um Is this like, this is a serious movie? It's a comedy movie? Very serious. Very serious. Very serious. I don't remember laughing. I mean, I might have laughed, maybe chuckled a few times. Like I think there's some funny things that haven't been like, but overall very, very serious. Okay. And it gets like,
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The end of the film, you do not see coming. I had ideas in my head of like, okay, if you pick this guy, like, okay, he seems to be clean. And then, and then what ends up happening is that the person they do select, like something was hidden that they didn't know about, they're just like, Oh, fuck, what did we do? And it kind of goes into like, Oh, we know what, actually, maybe this is for the best. So It was very interesting on that front, so I do think it might win a couple of awards, ah especially screenplay-wise, because ah i' not I'm not very but i mean that much of a religious person anymore, but I still found the film pretty captivating.
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um i don't yeah It's one of those things. and Very dialogue-heavy film, yeah. Yeah, I don't think you'd necessarily, for like a lot of those things, you knowt you don't have to... you know necessarily believe to just still enjoy the movie anyway right yeah it's not like they're like they're they're ramming like religious beliefs down your throat like you know you should believe this believe that it's really just about electing a new pope yeah it's about the politics behind the religion essentially so yeah yeah which is sometimes to be uh entertaining for for different reasons for sure so yeah yeah it like it even it was nice like
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having an ending where I was just like, whoa. like it it it raised it It raised the score of of what I was going to give it. so Because if you nailed an ending, it really like it it impacts you differently. Oh, I agree. It leads you. Yeah. It sticks with you for sure. But yeah. But I thought it was cool to also have it for the Golden Globes. And I'm a big, we talked about this show, I have a big award show watcher.
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ah So I'm excited for to see all these nominees and everything. And hopefully, at least some of the movies or shows that I ah love win. i just excited I get excited about that, you know. Yeah, I get it. I get it.
Gladiator Original vs Sequel Analysis
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But but ah for and the the the one movie that we watched, so we're getting into the theme for today. Historical Epics Part Two.
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And we, we have five and gladiator two was nominated, but this is such a stupid category. You have cinematic in box office achievement. That's a category for it. What does that mean? that Great question. sivi john What does that mean? Oh, okay. So the, the, the, so I guess maybe you can figure out the meeting behind it from the other nominees. So you have gladiator two alien Romulus, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice,
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Deadpool Wolverine, Inside Out 2, Twisters, and Wicked. So it has to be like sequels or something like that? No. Or like stuff that has a foundation of IP behind it? I think it was just a coincidence, but a lot of these are sequels. They're either all sequels or like kind of a reboot. Like Wicked would be more like a reboot, I guess, or a prequel, I guess, I don't know.
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ah ah So I think it's more of like they made a killing in the box office. That's a dumb category. It is no dumb. ah like like with It's troubling trying to explain like why they have it or why it exists. It's just like you don't need this here. like Especially if like okay if you're the winner of this movie, you're going up to the stage to accept this award.
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what you think the fake the fake thank you thank you fans for seeing my movie that did this made money in the box office thanks for the thanks to the cast and crew for doing your job and luckily people saw even if the theaters are dying I don't know right Well, ily they do away with it in fairness, I guess, because the theaters are dying, I guess you could make the argument that maybe that is an important to category. Yeah, so I guess it is because I think it is that to tell people like, hey, the theaters are still thriving. Right. All these movies made a killing the or like exceed expectations at the box office, made way beyond their budgets, even though they're big budget films. Makes sense. Still a dumb category. Yeah, I agree. Moving on to gladiator two. I thought we were doing gladiator one first. but What are we doing? no Let me talk. We're doing gladiator two first. Let me talk. I don't pay attention. I'm a shitty listener, James. so the theme The theme is that we watch gladiator two, the long right the long awaited, and some would say like pointless sequel.
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to the original Gladiator. Right. And the original Gladiator, you recently watched right before Gladiator 2. I did, and I'm glad I did. Yeah, be curious your your thoughts more, especially seeing the first one and then going to the second one, so take it from here. Okay, I got you. I'm sorry that I screwed all that up. It's okay. Sorry, eh, as we say up in the old the old great light north. You're going out of your mind.
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Uh, yeah, so, uh, Gladiator 1, it had been a long time, like, I'm not actually sure if I've ever watched that movie other than in the theaters, and and that's not because I didn't enjoy the movie, I think it was just, it came out in a time when I don't think it was really that easy to rewatch something, and then I just, I guess, like, over time, I just kind of didn't really think about it too much, even though there's still some scenes that, that that stand out, and I've always, I've always remembered, like, when he throws the sword and he's like, are you not entertained?
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There's some some really epic lines in that movie. I think that's one of the best lines in cinematic history. Exactly, yeah. but Everybody knows it. Yeah, and ah and and that's just it. like And I think that that is is truly like a... you know, like a masterpiece of a movie, right? When when when you have, like, quotable lines that are, or quotable scenes and stuff, uh, that really stick with you, uh, like, even if you haven't seen the movie in 20, you know, 20, 30 years, like, I, what, how long, this is 25 years ago? How long, how long was it? Uh, 24. So, and and that's what I'm saying is, like, there was a couple of scenes and everything from the movie that, like, I still remembered, uh, not having watched it, you know, so,
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uh like that's pretty neat and it's pretty neat when a movie you see once actually sticks with you and like you know and it granted i mean it was a movie theater experience i think the thing that is different in terms of like like like actual real life is that when gladiator the first one came out like it's where special effects and everything had gotten to the point that they could tell these type of epic stories and like we had just gotten that basically in the decade of the 90s like yeah It was really difficult to make those types of movies any time prior to that and make them like as good and as crisp and everything. and Whereas is now, it's like, we've been able to do that for some time. and But I guess I'll go into that with the the review for Gladiator 2. But i finally it's just it's a really good movie. like Having rewatched this two and a half hours long, give or take, I'm not exactly sure exactly how long is it is. It doesn't feel like that at all like in it.
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the I find the pacing was was really good. like I was i was as engaged the whole time even though like I know what's gonna happen. ah I found it interesting because like there's they did a good job of Showing more of the story. So you're getting like Joaquin Phoenix's character there because he's like the Emperor so there's there's a lot of ah There's a lot of scenes with him in it. I think they're really well done and it's a good portrayal of like the other side obviously, you're gonna get that the gladiator side of things that the guy that runs the you know, the
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school of gladiators I don't know whatever you want to call that guy like his character's really good I really like I'm gonna butcher his name and I didn't know I am that John. We know it's a fun fact about ah the guy who trains or buys and yeah the gladiators. So he he passed away halfway through filming. it I didn't know that. And they had to work around a lot of his scenes right I don't have his name at the time right now yeah but um Yeah, he was a great actor, but apparently they were going to expand a little bit on his character. You know, it's actually something I would have liked to have seen, yeah. Well, we'll go into gladiator too on that front. Right, exactly, yeah. I think I know where you're going with that. Uh-huh. But, so, and like I said, that Jimon Hunsu, I know I butchered Neha, I apologize for that. He's great, like he's terrific. I think Damon Hunsu. Well, there you go. So, Damon Hunsu.
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ahssuming that that Yeah, so he's he's phenomenal like anytime he's on screen like I'm captivated by him I think he does a really good job and all the roles he does I think I correct me if I'm wrong I think this is I don't know if this is his first role, but it's iss definitely his first role that I saw him in and that I think that really kind of brought him into the spotlight and um And and just all in all like from like all of the characters I think are really well written in that movie like I said the pacing is good the story is good the action sequences are good like the the storyline I think has You know it's got it's got some some depth to it like I think it was pretty neat like and you know Russell Crowe's character he's like he's trying to he does a he does a really good job playing that fine line out about somebody who
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Obviously, he's not looking for warfare and everything like that, but does believe in, I guess, that, you know, that idea of Rome, like, everything that they talk about again in the second movie. But, like, so he's he's kind of torn. He's obviously not a guy looking for the glory in the combat and stuff, and, like, it it was kind of nice that he's not being overly pacifist, which is something that, you know, you saw more of, like, in Kingdom of Heaven.
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yeah but at the same time like there's that nice balance where it's like it's not it's it's it's like i said it's just that that that fine line where it's like he's not looking for trouble but like at the same time like he wants to protect the ideology and stuff like that and it's like it's and he does a really good job of balancing the two and uh and i just think that realistically haven't watched him again like russell crow really has a charisma that i'm gonna say that i didn't really find as much in the second movie um
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I thought you were going to say that. So, well, but all in all, what I'm gonna say is like, what I find, it I mean, as far as I know, the the events of Gladiator, like, it's loosely based on some stuff in history. I don't think the story is ah is is not really based on, I guess, historical accuracy. Although, in fairness, that the longer, the further back you go in time, I think the less accurate you're gonna find anything is anyways. But ah that's a story for another day, I guess. But it, like, having rewatched this, and I didn't realize this, is that,
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I don't know if you've ever watched the Spartacus, like there was that TV series of the four seasons or something. No, I never watched that. So basically what Gladiator is, is the story of Spartacus. Yeah. And and that's so that's and I think that if you actually look into it, they say that they took a lot of influence from the because that that is a real story. um And I actually just side thing like that, that that like it was four seasons, I think it was was a phenomenal, phenomenal TV show. I loved the way it was done.
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but I'm not gonna go too far into that because that one I really loved and I could go on and on for a while as well but it definitely got a lot of inspiration for that but like the long and short of it like there's just there's nothing not to like about the first gladiator movie like I loved it I loved it I was I was very I felt very fortunate to have seen that in theaters back when it came out and you know again rewatching it now everything stands the test of time like it's a phenomenal movie yes it was a great visually yeah and and it it is and it's like and i remember when i finished the movie i was like there's no way the second one is going to be anywhere near as good as this it can't be like it just because this one's like it's it's about as perfect as it can get like the story's done like the arc is completed like
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I was like, that and I was trying to think of how they could do it. Sorry, go ahead. If I could nitpick a little bit with gladiator, go ahead. I think some of the action scenes could have been shot better. I thought it was a little too choppy with like, you're trying to like, okay, what's going on? You're like, like, I think as far as action film goes in those scenes, I think really, yeah really Scott didn't really find his form yet. As far as like, like, cause that sounds like,
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It was like Bevin begins with some of the things I watched. I'm like, man, you're cutting too fast. Let them fight so I can see it. Yeah, well, and I know what you're talking about. And I think that that was like, if you watch movies, and this is the 90s is a really interesting decade for especially action movies, because I think that that's when Hollywood is really starting to figure out action sequences. And some of them are just atrocious to watch these days. like they they're They're really terrible. And others are kind of like this, where they're like, all right. But it's it's actually kind of hard for the 90s to find just like solid, well-choreographed and well-shot action sequences. It didn't really start getting better, I find, into the early 2000s, whereas like they really kind of
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you know, ah found their their groove yeah with action sequences. And I think that that's the problem is like, then you're looking back judging it with what they can do now. And then you're like, okay, but yeah, yeah, nothing's nothing's ever going to be, you know, again it's a nitpick top all around. Yeah. But yeah, and like, well, actually, speaking of the action sequences, like, I really like, like the strategy behind what was going on, everything like that. Like, you know, you have the the battle with the, I don't know what those things are called, but the, the chariots and the horses and stuff like that. And then he's like, he's prowling his, the the men basically that, that barely know him at this point. And it's, it's like, they're, they're really gripping scenes in that regard. And it was a lot of fun. I remember back in the day watching that again on the big screen. So.
00:28:35
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Yeah, I'm so jealous you got to watch the Gladiator in theaters, where but at least I got to watch Gladiator 2 in theaters. you know what You know what I'll say is like, and it's just kind of funny, is that I remember being so much more impressed seeing like the Coliseum for the first time on the big screen when I saw Gladiator than I was when I saw the Coliseum in real life.
00:28:59
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oh yeah yeah like i oh yeah so this is it These ruins? You know what I mean? Yeah, I pretty much, I just, there was some restaurants all around. I just went and had some nice plate of pasta and and a beer. It was actually very inexpensive to have a nice nice view of the Colosseum at night. It was pretty cool. they they kind of yeah like yeah yeah Yeah, I always seem like we're bashing it. No, it's a real Colosseum. It was. It was cool. I think I had been doing a lot of traveling at that time. And yeah, you start to be like, eh.
00:29:38
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There's so many great things in the world to see. There there is indeed. No, it was ah it was pretty cool to see both both in life and on on the big screen. But I mean, all in all, that is my kind of take on the first one. Like I said, I hadn't watched it in so long that I wanted to rewatch it. And I'm like, is it as good as I remember it was? I was like, yes, probably better, if anything.
00:30:01
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uh because i think i was a bit younger when i was watching it so some of the i think some of the political scenes i had like less uh I guess less enjoyment for it at that age, right? Like it just, you know, I kind of want a little bit less of that story, a little bit more action maybe at that age. Whereas now and I'm like, no, like it's actually, they they got a good balance I find. I think it's just because I was young and I just want to watch, you know, horses and and warfare and some some cool chariot scenes and all that. So. Yeah. So, so, so so getting into gladiator two,
00:30:36
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So now you just have watched the first one.
Gladiator 2 Plot and Character Analysis
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You go into theater, watch the second one. The first scene we see is a recap of the first one. Yes. Yeah. And then I was like, okay.
00:31:04
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ah I guess we didn't even have to watch the first one. and then That's the thing for me is like, okay, there the and and I want to make two comparisons here because there's 300, and then 300 rise of the empire, so basically 300, 1, and 2, I think that might make it confusing, maybe not confusing, I don't know, but you know what I mean. And they're similar in that regard because the there's the first the first movie that came out and the second movie plays around the events of the first movie.
00:31:35
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This movie is kind of similar. Obviously it's just taking place like I guess like 16 years after. Yeah. Yeah. So so like a short generation afterwards same events like and still basically playing around this first movie.
00:31:49
Speaker
And I get that there's gonna be references. I feel like the second one, just in general, was I think it knows that the first one's that good. And like the movie just wants to keep jerking itself off to the first movie. Yeah. Just so you hope that I guess you won't realize that the second movie is basically just the first movie. Yeah. Not as good. Structurally, yes. then yeah Especially a lot of the characters similar motivations and a lot of the characters um with with the second one. Especially, I mean, yeah you have um Lucius, who is you know supposed to be a lot like Russell Crowe. You have the Emperors, who are basically just an amalgamation of the weirdos again. The weirdos, yeah. But just gorgeous but it more out there, more crazy, whatever, to make them stand out. But like, ah
00:32:46
Speaker
ah Writing-wise is not as good. Uh, establishing them as characters is not as good. Yeah, well, and and that was one of the things is that, you know, what I was saying in the first one where, like, there's a lot of scenes with Joaquin Phoenix and his Emperor and, like, what he's doing. Uh, in this one, I feel like there was, I could be wrong, I mean, you know, sometimes you're just like, but it doesn't feel like there was a whole lot of that there. It's like, oh, there's just these two guys. They're kind of like, uh, sadists and they're kind of assholes and, like, and that's pretty much all you get from them, like. Yeah.
00:33:21
Speaker
they don't even really go into why they're ambitious and want to take over, I guess, India and Persia if if memory serves. And it's like, that's all I say. It's just like, oh, you're going into India and Persia left. She's like, okay. And then like, that's it. Like, they don't even show a map of where these places are. Like, I mean, Persia is not around. right now I mean, India is still there, but so there's one character that's unique.
00:33:46
Speaker
The most unique from all the characters, like, seperates itself from the first movie. No. I think it's Pedro Pascal's character. Ah, okay. Because he... Because...
00:33:59
Speaker
I'm going in the film thinking he's supposed to be like, oh, he thinks the bad guy, you know, like he's the reason why his wife was killed and he was revenge. I'm like, oh, shit. No, he's like just put in a bad situation. Like he hates that for as much as everyone else does. And he wished he could get out of it. And he's just he's just stuck. And he's trying to find a plot. He's trying to plot his way to right to overthrow them and get everybody safe. I kind of felt like I And I know that obviously Lucious is supposed to be Maximilius, or Maximilian, whatever his name is, son. mar kill sun Maximus, there you go. yeah Maximus' his son. And I feel like Pedro Pascal, I feel like he's actually just Russell Crowe's character, just in Pedro Pascal's body essentially. Yeah, so so if yeah because obviously Russell Crowe would have been like that general.
00:34:52
Speaker
ah character yeah and effort for embers. That's exactly it, yeah. So it just felt like that's basically the same character and I don't feel like he was very different either. I guess to some degree, it's a different character because of the placement of that character is where you're kind of like, you're having that back and forth, like, I had to do this for them, but I hate doing it for them. But I'm like, how am I going to get out of this? Like, we never saw that with Russell Crowe's character, you know?
00:35:20
Speaker
ah Well, you you you get a bit of it, it's just that at the very least, he like and ah thats it's like the start of the first movie, essentially his campaign is done. Yeah. And then, except that, is it is it was it Caesar? Was that the guys? Yeah, I think so, yeah. So Caesar? No, no, no, just no, it was Marcus Aurelius.
00:35:42
Speaker
mar ah marcus yeah but that's what it was yeah so marcus and So Marcus basically was asking him to yeah fix Rome essentially, right? And like yeah that's how it is, but it's like he's hesitant, but he doesn't disagree. It needs to be done. But at the same time, he's kind of in the same spot. Like he just wants to go back and tend to his crops kind of deal, right? Like yes he's done with warfare. A lot of similarities. A lot of similarities. So.
00:36:10
Speaker
Anyways, wait I guess I wasn't sure what his motivation was for after he would take down the Emperors. Because I know I guess he was with the wife.
00:36:21
Speaker
Oh, Peter Pascal, you mean? Yeah, Peter Pascal. Is that who you think? Yeah, so it was the same thing, is that basically they want to invade Rome, essentially, and then give it back to its people. Because they don't want it to be in an empire anymore. They want it to be a republic.
00:36:40
Speaker
right My political understanding is correct. So basically, they want to take it away from the hand of one. give, you know, the the the country and the empire and everything, like the the the place back to the people. Yeah. So so so so I thought in a writing ah perspective, I thought that was well done for Pedro Pescu.
00:37:02
Speaker
um ah i I like the motivation. I like the dilemma his character was going through. Right. um and But as far as I mean, I kind of want to save Denzel for last.
00:37:15
Speaker
Okay. Sounds good. Yeah. Um, okay. Well, ah we, we, we had to get it to the main guy. I went to get into Lucius Paul. Um, who is supposed to be the, the, the, the, the next gladiator. Right. Uh, and so did you feel in the beginning of the film, it kind of like, like fast forward a lot. It's like, all right, we had a battle.
00:37:39
Speaker
And then we take him prisoner, now you're a gladiator. Boom, boomm boom, boom, boom, boom. You know? Uh, no, because I'd say it's pretty similar to how the first one's done anyways. So I, I think that there's a bit more time in the first movie though, like in terms of like crafting Russell Crowe's backstory, like a little bit more. I think as far as like putting him in the ring right away, I think of Russell Crowe, I feel like there was more time.
00:38:08
Speaker
before he was actually in the ring, showing off his skills. so ah know For me, it felt like once once they captured him, put him on the boat, and then once once we what we hit land, now you're in the ring with the monkeys.
00:38:26
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. like where where i think I think there was more training involved with Russell Crowe before and like but more of him just like not wanting to fight at all or like, you know, actually, ah well, haven't just watched it. Like I'll say that basically they have the scene where he's like same, same thing as the second one. He's got to fight another, ah basically another gladiator while like the,
00:38:50
Speaker
the The head honcho was watching like the yeah, I'm sure the gladiators. I know what you call that guy ah And then he refused so Russell Crowe Yeah, yeah Refuses to fight and then he basically gets he gets hit a couple times and he's like cable screw it He'll be good in the ring and then you see him in the ring fight next like there's I don't think that there is a lot I could be wrong I mean sometimes you watch something, you know, maybe you're watching something for five minutes It's actually 15 minutes or you know, you think it's 15 minutes actually two minutes You know what I mean? Like but I feel like it There's not that much more like training or anything like that ah in either movie because they're they're both supposed to be trained soldiers anyways so that there's not really a whole lot of training you could do. I will say that if you're watching the Spartacus show, ah there's a lot more of that and it is very well done.
00:39:40
Speaker
So, but that'll be my last plug for that show, though. But it is one of the best shows i've ever watched, and TV shows i've ever watched them in my life. Okay. Game back to Glidere 2.
Critique of Gladiator 2's Action Scenes
00:39:50
Speaker
I'm stroking this show so much. I'm done. I'm done. Well, I'm done for today. Anyway. um This is historical epics, man. What do you think about the monkeys?
00:40:07
Speaker
ah I mean okay like it's kind of a neat scene at the same time like I I'm not saying that stuff like that wouldn't have happened back in the day I think for me it's just like man like the monkeys man it's kind of heartbreaking to watch like with what the fuck did they do? I'm talking about the design and CGI and and I get I get that there you know these other people like slaves but it's like man like now you're now you're taking in other species too like and ah as far as the design like I those i like i don't know enough about monkeys to be able to i think uh form an appear like offer an opinion about that like i i don't know if it was realistic or not like i i know i know monkeys and and and apes and all their vicious is all hell like there's no denying that but and that's about all i know i mean like the scene was pretty cool like and to be honest i i think i would have rather watched something
00:41:04
Speaker
maybe more interesting than a monkey though like it's i don't know like well so i feel like they're it's the millies movie's building the stakes like as far as yeah animals go like you start with the monkeys they get to the rhino get to the sharks round so You gave us you gave us lions in the first movie so to me it should start there a rhino I'd say that's up from a lion just because it's like okay it's a fucking rhinoceros it's bigger yes shark I we well know sharks are king of the jungle that's accurate don't correct me
00:41:36
Speaker
And, uh, and like, that's fine. You're still, you're still up in the stakes, but it's like, you go from lion to monkey. I'm just going to say right now, James, it's like, if I had to choose to fight one of those two things, not that I necessarily think I'd farewell in either situation, but I would definitely pick a monkey over a fucking lion. Well, I mean, so so so you, you, you have the monkeys in the discounted calcium. Um, right. So I understand why you have more of the bigger grandiose type animals, I guess, in the i get in the Roman Colosseum. I'm just comparing the two movies about like up in the stakes. is like You already showed me lions in the in the in the first movie. No, i know showing like monkeys so no so I like the monkeys. I like the CGI's a little spotty. So it took took me a little bit out of it. like I liked how
00:42:31
Speaker
ah Lucius, yeah how he bit the monkey and did and did what he can to ah to win. And of course, something like that is what catches Denzel's eye. I'm like, okay, I get it. That's a good way to move forward. We'll mock him for it later. Yeah, yeah yeah ta i yeah. See, I thought that was cute. I like that. That was good. That was well done. And then, you know, I've heard a lot of complaints as far as the charisma of Paul Mascow because It's such a tall order to get yeah reached the heights that Russell Crowe did. it is i'm not You are, you're you're right. like and thats yeah um've I've only seen one role with Paul Mezcal and it's night and day compared to like the role he had to do for this. like This is his first blockbuster. you know you want to have ah You want to have someone who has a huge presence to carry the film. and i feel like it was i mean i hate I love him as an actor, but
00:43:28
Speaker
He is a little lacking on that front side. I i just think that he might be slightly miscast with that. But even though like he's good at a lot of scenes, and like especially the scenes I liked the most was with him. I think it was that doctor guy who was that buddy buddy with. I loved a lot of the scenes between them. So I think like like those like theres dialogue heavy scenes, we're getting to understand each other. like He rocks those scenes very well. Very well. But when it comes like to making the screen, and like you join big speeches, and trying memorable lines, and try to make your presence fell in a certain way. I just felt like it was a little lacking. Yeah, and I, yeah, that that's definitely the way that I felt about it too. And I mean, I know that people could be like, well, is Russell Crowe, but like, again, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's like, I feel like that was just one of his first roles anyways, like in terms of, you know,
00:44:23
Speaker
Mainstream actors and stuff like that, right? Like I'm sure he'd done stuff before but this is what put him on the map Like I don't think that he had a really big name going into the first gladiator movie if uh unless unless you correct me on that i mean he was well known before then it was just i think this was like the biggest like starring role he's he had as an actor what did he do before gladiator like like what's the big roles before gladiator i'm just curious um uh he was an l.a confidential uh
00:44:54
Speaker
Okay, I didn't see that one. That was a big one he was in. and That was like an all-star cast, too. Yeah, yeah, I did. I i do recall. um But like, what do you ask? Like, that was the one that really stuck out. Right, okay. yeah That's probably why I didn't really recognize him too much until I saw him from that role. Well, fair enough. But yeah yeah, I mean, it is, it's hard to follow. And I think that it makes, I think what makes it even worse is that he's playing in the movie, he's playing the character's son, which it's like, so he's like in the shadow of like,
00:45:30
Speaker
this fucking gladiator, right? So it's like, it's almost like a double whammy because it's like, you're not only in the shadow ah of Russell Crowe, who went on to have, you know, quite the career, you're also in the shadow of the character that you're playing in the movie as well. So it's almost like they're setting them up to fail.
00:45:54
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, but we we also have to think too, like, with with Ridley Scott, you know, he probably, he he's he's he's the guy that thinks that this movie's the shit, and you have all these amazing actors, it's gonna be a good movie because of that. ah But, you know, we we know as the audience that it's not gonna reach the heights of the original, but you still want it to be at least decent to good, which I think the movie is. I think it's, i think it's it it does, it's a,
00:46:23
Speaker
It's an action blockbuster type of film where like you don't need to like really think about it too much or be emotionally invested in. Yeah, I mean, that's just it. Overall, like you're and you're not wrong. like it's it's it's It's a good movie. like it you know it it It is. like it's I won't say it was phenomenal by any means. I think that even if it wasn't like if it wasn't the sequel to The Gladiator, I think it's just it's just a very kind of forgettable movie in general. If like if you know what I mean, right it's just like, oh, they made this movie. It's all right. I don't think I remember it a year from now.
00:47:00
Speaker
and with I would say one exception that they did up the stakes in this movie versus the first movie but this that i I think would have been difficult to make in the first movie and I probably would have been kind of unnecessary but do you know do you know where I'm going with this?
00:47:20
Speaker
um Wait, wait, are you going into the ending? i will yeah No, no, well we'll get to the end at the very end. okay i was ah I'm making a reference to the water scene in the Coliseum. Oh yeah, but with the sharks. With the sharks, okay, yeah. that yeah i mean we we We were gradually getting to that, yeah. Yeah, well, this is is like i feel like, I feel like the sharks for me.
00:47:44
Speaker
were like kind of unnecessary. You don't need the sharks in this. You don't and I was like... it's it's It's amazing enough just having the water and the calcium. That's just it. And then when I saw the sharks and I was just like... How do you get them there? It took me out of it for a second because it's like, it's like, okay, like I think about... They can't be out of the water for that long. and There's no aquariums. Like, what's going on here? I mean, there's that. But then, there's you know, you think about stuff like, it takes me back to Austin Powers. He's like, all I want is sharks with
00:48:15
Speaker
or you get kick-ass that has you got that big aquarium with the shark can and then I think the shark ends up dying because he doesn't give him any room to fucking star know ah know like it's used in movies almost to the point of comedy and yeah like I just I really don't feel like the sharks were necessary ah because but ways like you said it is awesome on its own yeah Like, like, especially the whole build up of them getting it going. like I feel like they' they don't. Well, I know like they're like passing rowing. So I guess I have some idea of what's going to be happening. Yeah. I do hear it.
00:48:51
Speaker
ah for historical records how they did do that. That's what was interesting to me. I mean, I remember watching the movie and like, that's what I was thinking. I was like, I was like, they probably do. But I was like, damn, I was like, that'd be quite the fucking thing to do. Yeah. And and yeah, apparently they did have some games where they had I don't think it was anywhere near like based on again what i read is like it wasn't anywhere near as monumental as they had on screen but still like i mean it is accurate so i was like i'm not gonna fault them for making something cool out of it uh so that was kind of neat and that is definitely something that upped the stakes from the first movie uh and i think that if you're making a sequel like this you need to do that yes i just feel like that's the only place they they did that and then they accomplished that i
00:49:38
Speaker
I think it was kind of neat, I guess, to see the plot that was trying to get carried out in the first one actually get carried out in the second one, I suppose. Like with, with with you know, trying to get the soldiers to basically storm roam and all that. But at the same time, it's just like,
00:49:59
Speaker
Again for me, it's just like it like over and over again. I'm like, hey like There's just there was no need for the sequel. Like it's basically just the same movie like I and maybe I'm being like harsh on it um But like that's just kind of how I was feeling like when I was watching it I was like, it's still cool. Like I like it but like there's so many references to the first movie I think again, they were just really trying to be like, oh my god. Do you remember gladiator? Do you remember this? Do you remember the horses on his breastplate?
00:50:28
Speaker
it's like yeah i just watched the movie in preparation for this i remember it wait you remember how he rubbed the dirt with his hands yes exactly and then that's how the mom was like oh my god he's the only one that does that that must be my son right and uh that's what he was like like yeah like pat yourself on the back you made a good movie but like why don't you try making another good movie uh now what well okay uh before before we you know, wrap up
Denzel Washington's Performance
00:50:58
Speaker
the scores. We, we got to talk about the all star of the film is Denzel. Denzel is the character who I thought was the the best written character in the movie because I did not know where his allegiance lied. It was very mysterious. And I was like, what are you playing Denzel? What are you doing here? And then, well,
00:51:21
Speaker
We'll get to the end of his character in a bit, but like ah from where where when he first was on screen to most of his screen time, I was pretty compelled by him. And I know there's a whole thing about like him using his yeah his American voice and all that, but I was fine with it. like After like like a few minutes, I was like, oh, I got used to it. I'm all in. I don't care. Let's go. like like If he's commanding the screen like the way he does, he's been he's doing his Denzel thing. I'm like, OK, I'm all there for it.
00:51:51
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, like and I like how he got to see, he got to be with like all, like you know he got his scenes with the Emperor, he's got a scene with Lucius' mom, with Lucius himself, with Pedro. ah Actually, wait, did he have a scene with Pedro? Yeah, yeah, I guess that they had a few scenes that if they were like sitting all they all there together in the royalty section of the calcium. Right. no but Yeah, but I assume, did you feel the same way about his character? Like, he definitely, like, he elevated the movie a bit? Uh, no, yeah, I mean, it's Denzel, like, I mean, he has a presence about him, right? Like, he, and that's- He was having a lot of fun. You can tell he's having a lot of fun being in this world. Yeah, yeah, and like, he's got, like, and that's the thing with Denzel is, like, he's the one that, again, has a natural presence, natural charisma to him, right? And like,
00:52:47
Speaker
And I think if anything, in in that regard, it why I'd say that the the detriment to the movie is that you got Pedro Pascal, who I think is a very charismatic individual, got Denzel Washington, also a charismatic individual, and I think that that also just impedes the other characters in that regard.
00:53:06
Speaker
because you kind of want the main guy to have that. Regarding Denzel though, like yeah, i like I did enjoy seeing him on screen. I didn't think I wasn't going to enjoy seeing him on screen. yeah Like I said, is is it's been pretty rare, if not even possibly non-existent, where it's I haven't enjoyed the role that he plays and stuff.
00:53:26
Speaker
um I kind of saw where it was going, I guess, like for me. yeah okay yeah I thought it was a little bit, ah I wouldn't say predictable, but like i kind of I think I kind of had is his character, his motivations down, I guess, earlier on in the movie.
00:53:45
Speaker
But it was still neat, like, and I thought the scene where he, uh, I guess spoiler alert or whatever, not not that we didn't, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah i want get yeah, yeah. Yeah, he kills one of the one of the Emperor's basically. Yes, like that whole is like, again, very well done. I really like that. And that's the thing is like, there there is, unexpecteding oh well I I mean, I wasn't expecting him to be like, that, I guess, methodical in a way, because, ah because the The way he he kind of manipulated them and everything I was like, oh, look at you go Denzel. Yeah, let's go. and then And then at the end, a shift happens though. A shift is like, wait, what?
00:54:26
Speaker
And then at the end, we're like, the one emperor is still there. And yeah he's like, yeah, my monkey is second in command. Yeah, he's like clapping. Everyone else is like, what the fuck? And then they had like the one guy who's like fully in debt to Denzel. He started clapping. So he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, well live whatever you say. Okay. Yeah. Yes. They took all his money. He's like, I did like that scene a lot when he was like, when he like bet his house or whatever, like his house.
00:54:55
Speaker
And then I was like, like, get the fuck out. Like, this is my play. Like, something like that. Like, ah you're like my slave. I forgot what he said, but it was so funny. And that's, uh, that's the thing is like, he did a terrific job. I almost wish we had seen more of him. And and and and that's the thing is like, it's almost like there's, there's like, a there's a good movie there. I just don't think it's the one that they ended up making, unfortunately. Well, see, it is cool. Cause I feel like that's, he wanted to build more of that character in the first Gladiator.
00:55:26
Speaker
And now he has Denzel, he's like, all right, now I'm really gonna flesh out this character more. right but but but But you're right, I feel like there's still gonna be more room for it. Because, for I mean, like especially with, you know, obviously even with Lucius, he manipulates him too. Like, say like, oh, you know, make sure get you get you with the pager's heads, you can kill him, he does, blah, blah, blah. But I guess I was kind of like throwing it off, like, okay, the did you really have to like shoot an arrow at his mom?
00:55:55
Speaker
Yeah, I like that. I wasn't proud. I was like, what? Really? I didn't like it didn't see like why he had to do that. And then like, and of course, like when you have the the the final battle between him and Lucism is like But you're like 70 years old. This guy's like less than half your age. What's going on here? That was another one that was like... like like At least with Joaquin and Russell Crowe, they're like similar ages. Joaquin's younger. But the thing with the Joaquin is that at the start of the movie, there's like that scene with Joaquin fighting like
00:56:28
Speaker
10 of his soldiers that are surrounding him. Yeah, like he shows that he actually, you know, he does have some skill to him, even though he's still getting like slapped around pretty bad at the end anyways, but like that's, but that's why it's like, it works better. This one is just like, you're exactly right. Like, but he's like twice his age. Like, when was the last time he even fought? Like, this guy is like... Wait, there's a there was that there was never one scene of him fighting.
00:56:51
Speaker
that's what i mean no but i mean when was the last time like the last time in terms of like his life that he's you know been engaged in ah in in a fight you know yeah other than i guess killing the emperor but like that's not really that's not what well see well see if you're supposed to showcase him as a fighter like a threat to lucious like show a scene of him like fighting like i'd like that before Exactly, like in that and that's where it's like in that last scene it was just like and the fact that they were trying because at ah dear the last scene with the Russell Crowe and Joaquin like it is one-sided like even though like the Russell Crowe max max max max max max I'm just gonna call him Mac. I'm gonna call Mad Max from now on. Okay, there we go. Okay, Mad Max
00:57:34
Speaker
yeah So, you know, even though he's been, you've been like, like, knifed in the, in the, I don't know exactly where he got him, but basically, like, in, in, in the body, like, to terminally, terminally stabbed, even though, like, and he's still, like, he, it's still a one-sided fight, like, he's, like, spanking Joaquin Phoenix all over the place. This one, they were trying to make it seem like, yeah, like, they're, they're they're equal, it's like,
00:57:59
Speaker
Yeah, because they seem like Lucius is tired like I don't remember him getting like really that injured and then Yeah, it's just like yeah, I get like like yeah, and it's like and that's the thing is like yes The to me there was no I think was what I'm looking for like
00:58:16
Speaker
and there was it wasn't really building up any excitement it's not like you know what i mean like sometimes you see like two is like especially if the guy's bigger or something like that and you're just like okay like you know he's the underdog it's like in this case it's like i don't know what's going on here like it's just it's not really it's it's kind of weirdly yeah it was kind of a no it was it wasn't the greatest fight scene to to to to finish off the movie with especially when essentially this is the deciding battle to figure out what's going to happen next right because yeah with like wins like with rose yeah he's going to take these into both armies the other guy wins like obviously you know i guess we're going to get a third gladiator movie because they need to rinse recycle repeats and made a lot of money i think they will
00:59:00
Speaker
Uh, I'm probably not. Yeah. So it has the thing. So it's like, in ah and I get his last scene and everything like that. Like, I don't know if Dan Zell could have been like, Oh my God, this is my champion. I've been, you know, training him to fight and stuff like that. Like, you know, attack kind of, kind of, you know, you could have done something more interesting in that regard. Like, I don't know. Like it just, yeah. It, that scene, I don't think really worked that well for me anyways. And it was like, and then he ends up like smoking him in the face of the rock a couple of times, which is fine.
00:59:29
Speaker
It's just, again, like he's supposed to be this this very seasoned, trained warrior. Not saying that Rock's not a good weapon or anything like that. It's just... It's not really the final move I want to watch, you know what I mean? like it's just It's very anticlimactic for me. ah You know, if he wants to pick up a rock to fight the monkey or something like that, like I'm down with that. It's all
Final Thoughts and Ratings
00:59:54
Speaker
good, really. But it's like but as the as the final scene,
00:59:58
Speaker
I don't know, it's lacking something for sure. ah Yeah. then then what The final scene of the film was he goes back to the Coliseum, sees his mother is gone. She's dead.
01:00:09
Speaker
um
01:00:12
Speaker
And then, yeah, he just thinks about his his wife in heaven. Is that what happens?
01:00:20
Speaker
The fuck is the last scene there? Yeah, because it's kind of finishing off very similar to the first one because it keeps getting like flashbacks or not. a Flash forwards, I guess, into the afterlife almost. Yep. um Which I thought was actually really well done for the final scene because he's like, he's not even all there. Yeah, I know. But what happened that day for him? Yeah. So yeah, no, the ah I think that's just it. Like it goes back. like To be honest, honestly, I don't even remember. like I think, I think it ended it ended right then, like right when when the pal Sami thought about his wife. It did like a purgatory type of thing where he's thinking about it and all that. um And then it just ended. Yeah, that that sounds about right. I don't know. like Yeah, I feel like I should know this. I watched it last night. I was like, for me, I watched it a week ago.
01:01:17
Speaker
Uh, and well, but like that's just what happens sometimes. It's like, and again, like all in all, like it wasn't, honestly, it wasn't really a bad movie. Like I, I'm being, I think unfairly harsh on it. but mean We're being really critical and we we can't help but compare it to the first one. So it's because it takes a lot of the similar beats of the first one. So we can't help but compare it because of that. Well, and this is the thing is like, I would be less harsh if they were trying something new and different.
01:01:44
Speaker
Like, if you're going to redo a story, and I got no problem with that, but it's like, chickento was part of like, but like, yeah, exactly. But like, like, i' just to hit it out of the park, man, like, just like, yeah, you the, the, the, the, the, the action sequences have to be twice as good. The storyline should be like, you know, like,
01:02:02
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The dialogue should be, like, more impactful, like, everything should be, like, just that much better, but it's, like, you just read it the same story, but it's, like, it's not even as good as the first one, like, like, nowhere near in my mind, like, it just... So, it's, like, it's pretty much, you're just trying to rest on your laurels of the first one, and you keep reminding us throughout the movie, and I think that that's why, yeah, I probably am being a little bit...
01:02:25
Speaker
probably being overly harsh on it because i mean honestly it's not a bad movie like it it is good it's not yeah it's not bad at all it's not bad like it really isn't like especially especially if you're someone who hasn't never seen the first one and go into this one i mean you can watch it without seeing the first one really again Yes, you absolutely can I guess like are are we at like review like our overall review? Yes a rating. Yes. Are we there? Okay. Yeah, so what what are you gonna give it? Um, so I'm going back and forth between a two and a three Because I feel like I would watch it again but like I wouldn't like go out of my way to watch it again and
01:03:07
Speaker
So like, if it's all- because I can see my myself putting it on and falling asleep to it. So I'll give it like a 2.5 on the scale. Okay, I like that. Like, I'd probably- I'd probably also give it like, yeah, like like like a 2.5. Like, I probably would rewatch it, but like, I'm gonna put like a little caveat in there, is that If I have any option, I'm definitely, definitely going to rewatch the first one. And what I would say is like, if you haven't seen either of them, I'd say forget about the second one, watch the first one, enjoy it for what it is. Uh, and I think it was just, uh, you have yourself a good evening. Yeah. I liked that. I liked that. That's what I put it to be. Thanks buddy. I'm glad you're on board.
01:03:57
Speaker
uh but yeah it was a thrill watching the theaters and like you know like visually yeah it's like it's memorable scenes it was it was fun to watch but yeah like you can tell like like watching it again on like on a smaller screen just you know it won't have the same impact ah for for love is good yeah like I mean, definitely the the water scene, which was pretty freaking cool. I'm not going to say it wasn't, like it was cool. Yeah. I know would like to see scenes like that again. Cause like, I feel like I'd be choosing with some of the scenes I watch. I'm going to like fast forward certain scenes like to get to that.
01:04:35
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. like Like I said, I mean, it's, uh, yeah. it Like, it ah again, probably just being too too harsh to it. Like, cause I think it it goes back to the thing I've said is that, like, some movies just don't need sequels, and I definitely think that this was a movie that just didn't need a sequel. It's been a very sequel-heavy year, hasn't it?
01:04:55
Speaker
I guess it has. I mean, I think I could be wrong. I feel like a lot of years in Hollywood are or sequel heavy years because well, i guess I guess it's like, I guess it's like number two, like number two sequels. It's been happy. We have the dune to the gladiator to the inside out to the Moana to lot of twos. Yeah, I guess.
01:05:21
Speaker
But hey, but some of them were better than originally. I thought June 2 was better than the first one, so. Yeah. Sometimes it's better. Sometimes just a number two, James. Yeah, but most of the time, most of the time it is. A number two is a number two. Oh my god. But, but yeah, but, but, but I feel at least like, like even inside out two, I thought was really good. Um, but, but it was as good as the first one.
01:05:49
Speaker
But so I don't think yeah as far as others I mean, we still have a lot of tea to watch. We'll make sure to have that on ah a show coming soon. Right. because we are big fans of the original. I recently we rewatched the original Moana. It still holds up. I freaking love that movie so much. It is a good movie. and I do. I do. so ah yeah Again, it's one that I know nothing about the sequel. It just, it it does strike me as one that doesn't really warrant a sequel. I shouldn't say warrant. That doesn't matter. It doesn't need a sequel.
01:06:22
Speaker
I think, like, but I've been surprised before, so I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic about it. Okay. So... Okay. yeah Well, what one, because we're still on the historical epics, like, the sequel to 300, for me, I was, I was surprised. I honestly thought I was gonna go into something that was gonna be, like, just complete, a complete dog shit, essentially. It was complete number two.
01:06:47
Speaker
And it wasn't I actually like I found myself thoroughly enjoying it and and like cuz I really like I don't know how you feel about the 300 movies like I really love them and Yeah, they're okay to me. Yeah, and that's the it's not everyone's cup of tea like I love them and and I love them both and to me to me it's dollar substance That's how I see it Uh, I don't disagree with what you're saying, like, yes, but like, the style, that's just a bit like, when you're doing that, the style is that good, and for me, like, it was that well done that, like... Well, I guess for me, that that's probably why isn' it isn't rewatchable for me, as much as maybe another person, because like, I saw it in theaters, and then I saw it again, um, at home, and I'm like, okay, this is cool, but like, it's not as good as when I saw it in theaters. Right.
01:07:39
Speaker
I mean, I understand what you're saying. I still, I guess, in I still enjoy them. And I feel like, again, like, but it was a sequel that I was not expecting to be very good at all. I still went in there, and I still watched it, and I was like, holy Christ, this is a lot better than I thought it was gonna be, so... um Yeah, like... ah You know, that might be the case on Moana too, you know, it could it could be a good number two, or it could just be a number two. Well, the only time we'll tell, we shall see. well we tell So that'll probably be one of our first episodes of the new year. We'll be taking a break for next week. And then ah right before Christmas, we'll have our holiday episode. We'll probably release the episode, I think on Christmas. I think Christmas is, ah yeah, Christmas is on a Wednesday.
01:08:31
Speaker
So maybe maybe your Christmas morning gift will be a new episode. Oh boy. It depends how much eggnog I've had.
01:08:41
Speaker
yeah yeah Yeah, on Christmas Eve, a lot of eggnog is usually had. Yeah, I'm right there with you, man. I can't wait. yeah I'm excited. Oh, me too, buddy. But ah that does it for this episode and I hope everyone is enjoying their Enjoys their holidays, but we'll be back in two weeks and we'll ah see you then. che Cheers. Cheers.