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This week, we're talking about Val 'Ice Man' Kilmer. We dive into his career with a focus on his first movie, a comedy called 'Top Secret!' (1984).
Next Week: 'MacGruber' (2010) & 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang' (2005)
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Introduction of James Games and Sleepy John
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You're listening to the Sleepy Games Podcast.
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We are back for another episode of the Sippy Games podcast. We are your hosts. I am James Games Sleepy John is here. so Wait, Sleepy John, are you here? You're here. Hola. There you are. Getting your Spanish on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's all I got. That's all I got, yeah. But yeah, we're here for another
Val Kilmer's Impact on Hollywood
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episode. little more of a ah sad episode today because one of our one one of my favorite actors, i guess throughout my life, Val Kilmer, has has sadly passed away but the age of 65. Yeah, that's pretty young. That's pretty young. I know.
00:00:56
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And ah he he has left a ah glorious career behind him. um a a A lot of memorable movies for sure, a lot of memorable roles, and yeah, he definitely he definitely made his presence felt in and in Hollywood.
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Right, yes. But before we go we go into today's episode, I just want to i just want to talk him up right to begin with because he he is the man and looking at all the movies he's done, lot of them I watched as a kid and even watched when I was older than life and i had got to appreciate a lot his older hits, which i I didn't see until much later.
Recent Watches: 'The Devil May Cry'
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But um before we go into that, we we do what we always do. We go into whatever we watched This week, on the the current show is coming out. so did did you Did you watch anything this week?
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joe I watched, I think, another couple episodes of The Devil May Cry. It's still meeting your expectations.
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I'm enjoying it. like it's it's It's a fun show to watch, like if that makes sense. You just watch it. It's fun. Like... ah I like a lot of the characters too. It's like ah like, I like the bad guy, which is like, it always helps.
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I like even ones that are kind of like, yeah, they're not quite bad, they're not quite good, but some of those characters are really well done too. And it's funny because, like, I'm not gonna say don't like the main character, but I find myself liking the supporting characters more.
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but nice. And sometimes I think that that's actually better. Yeah. So, yeah, no, I'm enjoying the show so far, but yeah, whenever and i got all finished up, maybe I'll do a little little once over on it or something. Yes, yeah, when you finish it, I definitely talk about it when we begin the show, because ah cause it it might get me when I want to watch it, you know?
00:02:53
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Because right now, I don't think I'm quite convinced, but I want to wait until you finish it, and then maybe I can figure out how to watch it. Yeah, and that's the thing, too. Don't around. Sometimes I undersell my excitement. I'm really enjoying it. It's just that I've had my heart broken from so many TV shows that I'm always... You can't stick the Yeah, I'm always just dipping my toes a little bit, and I'm like, all right, is this happening? Is good? Is it...
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So, and that that's all, like I don't wanna try to undersell, like I am enjoying it. It definitely, i was telling you before the show, it is for our age demographic, ah because like there's there's gonna be callbacks to things, you know from from the, I'd say, in mid, from about the mid-90s to probably late the very early 2000s.
00:03:40
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Yeah. It's kind of the, yeah, that seems to be the the era that they're focusing on, so, yeah. Yeah, so you think finish it by next week? ah You know what?
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You know what? just for Yeah, me I should do that. I should finish it for next week. because Do it for the people. Come on. For the people. I think I will. i is ah There's probably like i like five four four episodes, five episodes. It's not that easy. think there's eight in a season for that one. so And you know how Netflix is. There probably will be no season two.
00:04:11
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but Not that I know anything at all. It's just what Netflix does. it So it's like, you know, maybe again i will be surprised. But... We shall see. yeah Yeah, they're they're weird.
00:04:24
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They'll be like, oh, people are watching this? Let's cancel it. Ah, that's so Yeah, Netflix is notorious for that, ah unfortunately. But yeah, so yes, it's so good to hear your full review next week.
Exploring 'The Last of Us' Adaptations
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um So for me, the the newest season of The Last of Us has started. Okay, yeah. ah So I got to watch the first episode last night and and for me the The Last of Us is one my favorite video games of all time.
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um i It's funny because I've only played the first one. I didn't play the second one, have even though that the first game one my favorite games of all the time, because I kept hearing polarizing things about the second one. was just like, it made me scared to play it.
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And kept pushing it off, pushing it off, ah that, okay, I'll get around to playing getting around to play it, and it never did. And then the show comes out, and then I start loving the show, I'm just like, man, now I kind of don't want to play the game, and then just watch how it unfolds through the show. Hmm.
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So it's so it's nice, like going in. So the first season, I knew everything was going to happen. The second season, Lily, from the first season, it's like, OK, this is all new territory for me. Like, yeah. And so I'm watching the show in a whole new light, which is pretty cool. And I'm excited to to dive more into it.
00:05:48
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as the season progresses i mean i probably won't talk about until the season ends we'll'll well we'll probably we'll probably do an episode on it um later down the line because the show probably won't wrap up until but june july so we'll probably okay yeah we we we might make it like a finale type episode or something yeah for sure man is it is um oh what was i gonna ask there so they they are staying um Like fairly ah faithful, I guess, to the the video games, is what you're saying? like I don't know, because I haven't played it.
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For season one, you're saying that they did, though, right? like Season one, yes. yeah And in in season two, like right away, they bring in some new concepts, which I didn't expect as far as, um I guess, the intelligence level of the...
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you know the the the zombies, that we ah they they call them clickers, they're not really zombies, but um how they're like they're much smarter than the ones from season one, how they kind of adapted, and I guess they kind of mutated into a smarter species of zombies, which is pretty cool to see, because then it a they they They have a lot of little, lot of storylines that they they stuck in there that are very intriguing, and I'm excited to see it play out.
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ah So, but yeah, I'm excited to talk about it more when the show finishes. Perfect. Yeah. But ah yeah, so that's what we watched this week, but I do want to dive into our theme because I want to dedicate most of our time to Val.
Val Kilmer's Iconic Roles
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Good old Val Kilmer. Ice, ice, baby. Ice, ice, baby. So I guess before we go into um the film we watched that neither neither of us have seen, and did you know, all well like well, I don't want to go into it yet, but I got kind just want to talk about um some of some of your favorite Val Kilmer movies.
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like Okay. Do you have any favorites or favorite roles of his that really spoke to you? Uh, I mean, like, uh, like, so if I'm going to be looking at a role, okay, I, I got, I'll tell you what I got.
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and And don't get me wrong. Like there's, I feel like these's he's got, he's got quite the career. So, but it's just, I'd say favorite movie that he's in. i'd probably say his heat. Okay, says so favorite movie he's in.
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Yeah. I mean, I have to i have to agree. He is the best overall movie he is that's so so Top to bottom, pound for pound, that is cinema, that movie. You know what? I'm glad to hear you say that because like I agree. like There is no dialogue wasted in that movie, even though it's like it's a long flick.
00:08:33
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ah But it's, yeah, it's one of my favorites. I wouldn't mind doing a ah review of it, I guess, at some point in the future, too. He's like, what, the third best in that movie?
00:08:44
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That's what I mean. it's not even There might be other actors better than him. I mean, Tom Sizemore was very good in that movie, too. Right. Yeah.
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But yeah, it it just shows like how great that film is from the just the story from a director standpoint, all the actors. Yeah. Everything was just firing on all cylinders with that film.
00:09:06
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Yes. It was beautifully done for sure. But most people heat. Most people know how good it is. So we we don't need to harp on that one too much.
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because yeah like you say well We might in the future. try very yeah I wouldn't say most people. I feel like like I think in some spheres maybe. but I know a lot of people that may have even heard of the movie.
00:09:28
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And I'm talking people our age. I'm not just talking about like you know. Well, it is on the IMDb's top 50 films of all time. Or top 250 films of all time.
00:09:38
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Wild, okay. Yeah. So. That's pretty crazy. that's way maybe Maybe it's just I have not met that many people that have seen the movie, I suppose. love be like Yeah. Anyways. Yeah, and then I guess for my favorite role...
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um It's kind of interesting. like and i'm not I'm not making this up. It's just because I had never seen him in this light. And it was on the tail end of his career. I wasn't expecting him in this movie because I went into this movie blind.
00:10:09
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But i I loved him for it even though though he doesn't even have a very huge role. And that was MacGruber. MacGruber! Oh! The fucking lines. I haven't seen MacGruber.
00:10:25
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You have not seen Magruder. I have not seen Magruder. You what's funny? I had a week. Oh, my God. Like a um mini montage of of films or or like marathon of films that I watched of Val Kilmer, and that was not on my list.
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That is a...
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but that That's kind of a shame, man. You're youre really missing out like it is. Well, that's what we should do We should probably have an episode about underrated comedies. Right. and I like this. And that could be on there for me to watch.
00:10:54
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Yes. I definitely... Well, I mean, yeah. I'm hoping that you love it as much as I do. It is... a It's one of those movies that is like, take something, the dumbest thing you've ever watched, make it even fucking dumber.
00:11:08
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And then like, that's the type of humor it is But it's like, I loved it. I felt it worked. ah so But as i I know, people have a different ah like kind of flavors of comedy that they prefer. Like, for instance, like are you a fan of ah The Office TV show?
00:11:25
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Yeah, yeah, I think it's good. Alright, yeah, i I've watched a few episodes, it's like, i ah the humor is something that I think is like goes a little over my head, it's just, it's not maybe my jam when it comes to humor, but I know a lot of people that love that show, right? Like, and I...
00:11:42
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So I'm not trying to say that it's it's not bad. it's just not really my type of humor. Right. And that's actually what I was curious about going into the movie we watched. Or do you want to talk about something else before we go into the movie watched? Oh, man, we're not even close that. Are you kidding me? We're not even close that. Okay. We haven't talked about what my favorites are. Come on. What are doing to me? Matt, being rude. You're right. This is my actor. I'm excited to talk about this movie.
00:12:07
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You're killing me, Swann. Come on. What are you doing here? Ha, ha, ha, ha. we we we you're not We're not fast tracking. We're not fast tracking our deep conversation about Val Kilmer. He deserves more from us he deserves more.
00:12:20
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i'm going full Maverick here. Just doing what I want. What about the seat of your pants, man? Come on. of ah So anyway, some of mine, because it seems like you're all wrapped up over there.
00:12:35
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no no, no. I want the same questions for you. So the the first question would be your your favorite movie with them in it, and then the next one, favorite role, I guess. Well, we already said Heat, so I'm going to have a two-step else in Heat. Oh, so we're both in agreement. Okay. I said that. Come on. Honestly, I would have thought Tombstone, to be honest.
00:12:52
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No, so Tombstone is my favorite role of his. Okay, okay. Tombstone is his best acting performance, standout performance I think he's ever done.
00:13:03
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I think in every scene that he's in in that film, he steals the show from every other actor. Every single one. And he makes it look easy. He makes it look so easy. ah And so I actually rewatched it this week. I rewatched Tombstone in honor nice okay of the late great Val Kilmer.
00:13:24
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um And it's even better. I'll rewatch it because I watched it later in life. I think I watched it probably for the first time. three or four years ago for it's fun because my my dad was so big into westerns when i was ah when i was a kid and he he never introduced me to this one like i i watched like unforgiven i watched the good bad the ugly i watched some john wayne type westerns and he never had me watch tombstone i had no idea how good this movie was
00:13:56
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Until like I think my mom and I watched it one night they're like, right away, Val Kilmer stole the scene. like, what? He's amazing. Like every line of dialogue killed me. And just like, just his presence, like his interactions with every actor. It was just, it it was killing me.
00:14:11
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And he's got the most memorable lines too. um You know, like that, you know, I'll be your huckle bear. Like that gets me every time. ah And of course the one line, I think said on the show before where where he's like, where he's drunk as a skunk and everything. And And also, the at i forgot how many like like big actors are in Tombstone who are still like very big actors today. Right. um But I don't want to go into that because I don't want to away from Val.
00:14:40
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but Yeah. i I remember the one line where like it was Thomas Hayden Church. i was like, oh god ah oh, fuck. He's in this movie, too. And like Billy Bob Thorne was like one of his first roles where he's like some like fucking he was some like, like, God, they got pushed around way too easily. I'm like, wow, I would not think Billy Bob would get like just like fucked like so easily by by. ah What's his name? Yeah.
00:15:09
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I'm like on the main guy. But, ah yeah, like it seemed like it was like the that movie that really... like um you talk about You're not talking about Kurt Russell, were you?
00:15:19
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Yeah, Kurt Russell, yeah. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah. um But it seemed like he would he he cast that... Whoever cast that movie was genius. like Everybody fit their role so well. um fucking ah what Michael is... ah as Johnny Ringo.
00:15:38
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Johnny Ringo. Yeah, the interaction with Johnny Ringo and Val Kilmer. He plays Doc Holliday. yeah But yeah, I love the one line where Thomas Hand Church sees how drunk Val Kilmer is.
00:15:53
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He's like, you can't shoot. You're so drunk, you're probably seeing double. And he's like, I got two girls, one for the both of you.
00:16:03
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I'm like, yes, you are the man, Val Kilmer in this. But yes, so that one I think will never be beat, even though I still haven't seen all of Val Kilmer's roles. I just think this one was such a standout for me.
00:16:16
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ah I also want to go into one of his... ah He did an animated role when I was... and like This is probably one of the first... well I didn't know it was him.
00:16:27
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like all this time until later in life when I actually paid attention of who the actors were and in certain movies. um Did you ever see the Prince of Egypt?
00:16:38
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You know, actually, ah i don't think I have. So the Prince of Egypt is like the the story of Moses. in an animated style. ah And it's very, very well done. Like, a little little like too well done, like for especially for a story of that caliber, where you wouldn't think like the animation would be that good.
00:16:59
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um but he He plays Moses where, you know, like his, the way he acts in that and they're like he gets to sing as well. And i didn't realize like that was him the whole time. Like the only thing I watched him as a kid before that, I think was Batman Forever. And his his rendition of Batman was the first Batman I ever saw.
00:17:22
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So his Batman was my first Batman as far as the live action goes. um But it was... So, like, those two movies as a kid was, like, my introduction to Val Kilmer, The Prince of Egypt, and Batman Forever, which i thought was pretty cool. don't know if Batman Forever is, like, the best introduction. I'm not saying he did a bad job, but... to i think... To be honest, I think Batman Forever is overhated.
00:17:45
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I think because people lump it too much with... With Batman and Robin. Batman and Robin, yes. Yeah. I don't disagree. Like, it's... ah Yeah, I... Yeah, like, yeah you you know it's it's funny about Batman Forever because because you have two actors for that movie that's also in the movie that we saw.
00:18:06
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If you notice...
00:18:09
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You didn't notice, did you? and I'm trying to think of who the other person is. didn't notice, Sleemyn John! Oh my god! Yeah, probably. I'll bring it up but when we let we discuss it. um i'm I have it in my notes. I have it in my notes.
00:18:21
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Perfect. ah But, ah so the other one, so as far as ah other, like, notable movies, I feel like haven't gotten enough love.
00:18:33
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I guess underrated. ah You ever see a movie called The Ghost in the Darkness?
00:18:40
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Uh, yes. Yes, I have. As the one with the the lion. Yes! it's like it's like It's like Jaws with a lion. Yeah. Is how I describe it. I saw that actually like back in the day when it we yeah when it came out.
00:18:54
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yeah was a I mean, again, i i don't know that I've watched it since that time, but I remember enjoying it. Yeah, so i felt I thought it was, I watched it also later in life, I feel like a few years ago. And I was surprised, like I never watched after all this time. i was like, oh, it's a cool like very Jaws-like movie with a lion and kind of takes kind of a true story too.
00:19:16
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it holds up well is what you're saying? Yeah, I thought i thought it did hold I mean, that there were some scenes where I'm like, okay, that lion's fake. But um other times I was like i felt like they used like real line footage and it felt real. and like and like Because a lot the terror from Jaws was the things you don't see.
00:19:30
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And I feel like in, you know, called The Ghost in the Darkness, because there was like scenes where it's very dark. You can't see what's going on. That's what made scarier. ah But for Val Kilmer's sake... Not really like standout role of his, but I just saw it bring up as a movie.
00:19:45
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I think it's just underrated from that standpoint. ah But I'm just like, so I watched another movie for the first time that I never saw before
Deep Dive: 'The Doors' Performance
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this week. I watched The Doors.
00:19:58
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Yeah. And so you told me we're going to watch that. I think. Yeah. So I don't know much about the doors other than a few songs. I don't really know the life of Jim Morrison. I just know he's one of the actors that died young. Like, cause there was a whole thing about all these, uh, I think I forgot.
00:20:14
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was musicians or actors or just musicians dying at 27. And he was one of the- because I think... Wait, he died 27? I think I've heard about that before, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:20:25
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Because was like Kurt Cobain died 27?
00:20:30
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I don't, i remember, like, I think there was, like a DJ or something talking about but i don't, to i don't remember the the specifics of who it But anyway, but this movie. A lot of young musicians. and This movie, like, he loses himself in this role. This is definitely one of his best roles he's ever done.
00:20:45
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um Where, where it makes me want to learn more about Jim Morrison. Right. The lead singer of The Doors. And yeah, like I did not see Val Kilmer in this. He he became this but this man, this like legend of a musician.
00:21:05
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um Very trippy, very, i you know, taking hardcore drugs. And you you kind of, you kind of, the the way the film is shot you're kind of makes you feel like you're on the same drugs he's on you really put it in this perspective of what Jim Morrison is going through everything is his perspective throughout the movie I don't think there's a scene without him it's all just following him the whole time um And yeah, like, and he does, i believe he does all the singing in that too. And he sounds very good.
00:21:40
Speaker
And the thing that's good about Val Kilmer, which we'll talk about when we with the the movie we watched, like his background is doing a lot of Broadway or or like theater, ah theater shows.
00:21:51
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Right. And when when he sings like that, it really shows in like, in the way he moves and like kind of, in a very limber way where like he just he sells it he really does yes so if you are into that band I say it's a must watch.
00:22:17
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It's a must watch. um But I mean, it's it's a hard watch. like ah it it goes deep in the drugs, like deep into like the sex life, the infidelity, just the life of a rock star. i mean like He lives the life of a rock star. you know He's partying with other musicians, actors, celebrities, all that. like he And you see the rise of how like he's he's the icon and of that band and he just yeah he just died way too young i'm sure they they they could have did so much more but it was just a tragic a life that that does this just happened to end and like i knew was coming i knew that was going to happen but you can't help but just want to see the journey and he and you and you just hypnotized and
00:23:02
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by his performance the whole time. You so you either you don't want it to end. I just want to see more of him because he's just killing it in every scene. So I didn't look up if he was nominated at all for that one.
00:23:13
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assume he probably was because he was just so good.
00:23:18
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But, you know, of course, you know, we we ought to talk about Top Gun. That one's talked about the death. He's Iceman. Blah, blah, blah. Okay. ah But I guess as far as If I have to say my second favorite performance, this should be the last one before before we go into the movie.
00:23:38
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That's all good, man. My second favorite performance from him is, can you guess? I forget i forget if you if I had you watch this on the show. I think I had you watch this. Did you did I have you watch Kiss Kiss kiss Bang Bang?
00:23:53
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No, you haven't. I've never seen it. Ooh. Yeah, you might have to add that, yeah. we we We might have to go back and forth with underrated comedies. of Val Kilmer. We're gonna do a part two, maybe.
00:24:06
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this is ah This is another comedy of his? Yeah. Hmm, I'm intrigued now, actually. So, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is... i didn't realize it was a comedy.
00:24:16
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Yeah, it's a comedy with... Well, it's a dark comedy. Right. um But it's a comedy, nonetheless. i mean You're be laughing your ass off. oh It's him and Robert Downey Jr.
00:24:30
Speaker
before okay but before but Before Robert Downey's Iron Man. Right. This is like 2005. Oh my gosh. Okay, so it's a fairly recent one, I guess. It's the 20 year anniversary of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I can't believe it. Oh my god.
00:24:45
Speaker
I always thought that was an older movie for some reason. No? Huh. So i think I think we just figured out what we're doing for next week. i think I think you're watching you're watching Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
00:25:00
Speaker
yeah and I'm down with that. I'm watching MacGroover, baby.
00:25:05
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And it's funny because just this week I watched ah i watched Will Forte. He was on Hot Ones. Ah, okay. And he talked a little bit about MacGroover with it with with it like flopping out the box office, but they're still so proud of that movie.
00:25:23
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And they're so glad it like found an audience like after after the fact. Yeah, it's ah it's kind of funny too because yeah i mean i didn't I saw it like I...
00:25:36
Speaker
trying to think. I think I rented it. i think that was still when you could do rentals or or maybe it was ah maybe it was a Netflix watch. if lego Either way, but it was... ah I regretted not having seen it in theaters, but I did see it like shortly after it came out.
00:25:48
Speaker
Yeah. But I was like, man, I should have... like that was it that was a good one That was a good watch. I remember going into work, actually, and I was like... I was talking to the guy. i was like, have you seen MacGruber? And he started... like He used to remember like all the quotes from movies. He'd watch a movie once and he could do all the quotes and he'd just be like... He's like, oh, man, that was like an awesome movie. Yeah.
00:26:05
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so So I guess is is it's the perfect timing too because I mean, you've seen Will Forte on Hot Ones, us doing the episode about Val Kilmer, I feel like it's only right yeah that we do this.
00:26:17
Speaker
Yeah, i'm I'm down with this. Especially because ah is it are we diving into the movie now then? Yeah, well the only thing I'm gonna say about Val Kilmer is the last thing is like I'm very like not many actors get to have a perfect last role.
Reflecting on Kilmer's Career and 'Top Gun: Maverick'
00:26:33
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um And I thought his scene in Top Gun Maverick was the perfect scene to end his career. Yeah. You know what i mean? Yeah.
00:26:44
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It comes full circle for yeah sure. I think it was very, yeah probably very emotional. Very emotional. one of the most memorable scenes from the movie. Very like guy cry type of scene. you know um Especially i ending that scene on a very... like ah ah warm-hearted, haha, like ah on a happyer happy note.
00:27:10
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alright yeah yeah though I'm glad he got to leave behind his legacy with a a great role and is to wrap up his career. um So, yeah, but so so so that will lead us into... talking about his last role...
00:27:27
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We're actually gonna rewind to his very first movie role. And that's the film we watched this week called Top Secret. Did you know that this is his first role?
00:27:39
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I didn't. was just about to make comment about that. I was like, okay, I had no idea. I didn't really do a whole lot of research or nothing. So, I know was in 1984. Is what it was? four is that what it was Yes, 1984. So, you remember I was saying like how he was doing like theater, Broadway type stuff? yeah It shows in this movie. like they're like They probably saw him Broadway on this. He's like, we need you for this role.
00:28:09
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You're perfect for it. Right. Yeah, I mean, definitely some of his performances in there. Yeah. like it's they they they they They certainly add to the movie.
00:28:21
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And... Yeah. So, like, so I didn't do research on this film until after the fact, after drew after I watched it. And we we we probably should have known.
00:28:36
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i mean i mean, I'm going to speak for you right now. this is This was the biggest, like like, surprise movie as far as, like, how much I loved it after watching it.
00:28:47
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yeah And it made me mad why I didn't watch this sooner.
00:28:53
Speaker
Right. You know? Because, like, I don't know about you, was laughing, like, probably at least every minute of this movie. No, There was some kind laugh. I agree. Like, this is why, even at the start of the show, i was excited to get into this, because, yeah it... I've...
00:29:10
Speaker
Like, there what there's not a single scene in that movie where they're not at least trying to plant a joke. Like, yeah every fucking scene, like, every shot, there's a joke in it. Yes!
00:29:20
Speaker
I've never seen anything. You can't even catch it all. They're throwing so many things on the wall like just to to see if it sticks. And so many things stick.
00:29:31
Speaker
i like So many things stick. And everyone's, like, laughing at them. it's like, the that little thing there, like, didn itt have unless I'm laughing at that stuff in the background. Like, just like... Every little thing. But the thing is, Subi-John, we should have known we were going to enjoy this because these this the directors of this film also did Airplane in Hotshots.
00:29:53
Speaker
Ah, I see it. Okay, yes. So this was like the in-between movie of Airplane in Hotshots. We should have known. but and it's it's It's interesting because like it's I've never even heard about it. you know I know. and it And it deserves, it honestly deserves to be, i think, in the same sphere as Hot Chots and Airplane. like It's on the same level. Easily on the same level. It's a very similar kind of timeless, overly stupid type of comedy. You know what I mean? like it's a I think it's something that it doesn't get done anymore, which is a shame.
00:30:28
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just not sure if maybe maybe maybe maybe it hurt the movie because he wasn't well-known at the time, Val Kilmer, since it was his first role. Right.
00:30:41
Speaker
So, like getting back to what I was saying before about Batman Forever. so So, Alfred from Batman Forever is in top secret. He is the doctor or the yeah the the professor or whatever that they're trying to save. That was...
00:30:57
Speaker
That was locked up. Okay, yeah. yeah Yeah, he plays Alfred in Batman. I don't think I would have made that connection. Really? feel like he's so easy to spell because of his voice and his look. um But, ah yeah, so ah so I guess when once you started watching it, like did you, like, from the first joke that hit, did you just know right away, it's like, oh, if it's this the whole time, going to love this.
Review of 'Top Secret!' and Kilmer's Debut
00:31:25
Speaker
Uh... Yeah, like I think with even with the opening like kind of train scene like you you realize pretty quickly that this is a movie that is not taking itself one went one speck of seriousness, right? like Oh, because yeah, because of the train the train scene like where where the guy's like he sees the tunnel. He's like, oh, he's hiding.
00:31:45
Speaker
And then the one guy just the tunnel just completely collapsed. So he's completely fine. He's like, what? He takes out the whole bridge. Like they never even explain it. It's ah yeah like I feel like every scene just subverts expectations. like You think it's going to go one way, and it never goes the way you think it's going to go.
00:32:07
Speaker
yeah mean that's yeah there was There was only one time i can recall where I knew was going to happen. and like When they said who like that there was a traitor, I'm like, oh, it's Nigel, the English guy.
00:32:22
Speaker
That was the only thing where I knew was coming. Everything else I was like, i didn't see. I think like even, uh, I forget. think because they're in that restaurant and they're having like the kind of the emotional heart to heart.
00:32:37
Speaker
And in the background, there's like the people pulling apart. Like it's like this pizza that keeps going or I don't even know what the hell it was. Because was trying to watch, but I was also trying to watch the extras too. And you're like,
00:32:48
Speaker
yeah Holy fuck, like you don't you don't see this type of shit very No, no, no. So so it's funny we were talking earlier about ah the first scene. but Because actually but I forgot that was the first scene. For some reason I thought the first scene was when they're all- everyone was surfing in shotgun. I wanted ask you, it was like, do you want to try, having been surf camp in Australia, do you want to skeet surfing?
00:33:20
Speaker
I was dying so much. that that That whole scene, I was laughing so hard. i I was just enjoying it. now I want to do that. well it was especially to because i've seen like we wait We haven't seen Val Kilmer yet, but we but we know that's him singing that song.
00:33:37
Speaker
is ah is all we know. Yeah. And he, because it sounds like a Beach Boys song. Yes, it does. He sounds like he's in the Beach Boys. Yeah. I mean, that was so good. And he's just like, it this everyone who's firing shotguns and all like the insanity going on the beach. Oh, man, it was, yeah, it was, it was, what because it was, it was catchy, too. Like, I know it's, a it was catchy.
00:33:58
Speaker
These are, they were good songs. but So anyways, and then you're watching the video and it's like, it's just freaking retardant. They're almost shooting people yeah on the beach and stuff.
00:34:12
Speaker
And nobody cares. Sometimes they'll hide, sometimes they're like, oh, it's another day. It's another day of skeet surfing. Skeet surfing.
00:34:24
Speaker
And he's like giving you instructions in the lyrics on how to skeet surf. Yes, yes. God. Oh, my God. That's what I mean. Like, they they really... They went out of their way to layer jokes on, like, to the point where they there's, like... ah You have... Like, I think if you watch it second time, you would laugh at different jokes. Yes.
00:34:45
Speaker
Yeah, you're kind of... There's that many jokes in this fucking movie. Like, it's... And, uh, yeah, it's... I think one that... One that slayed me the most was uh, and this is one where I was like I was like I said slayed you. It's the one where he so he's in prison, Val Kilmer the main the main character there, and then Buddy comes up he's like I've called the the UN consulate and like the president like lists off a bunch of people and he's
00:35:17
Speaker
And I just can't seem to get my wife to orgasm. Oh my god, that was so funny. He's in prison. He's like, oh, have you tried one of these? He pulls out this like massive... You know what's when wait When I saw it to you, I knew you were going love that. I knew you would love that.
00:35:34
Speaker
Oh my god. Yeah, he pulls out this like massive, like, massive box. And what did it say on it? It was like, Anal Intruder or something like that? Yes, that's exactly what it said, yes. Yeah, with a very happy, kind of like 50s-esque couple.
00:35:49
Speaker
ah You know, like, the it looks, you know, and inconspicuous, except that it says Anal Invader. And then he pulls it out, it's this massive gun with his fist. I know, he was like so... And then love they showed it again later. Like, they they it was another quick takeaway gag.
00:36:08
Speaker
was like there it is ah
00:36:14
Speaker
well I don't want to give too many spoilers to that scene. but but But I love that. And then ah you like we're talking about the like the little things. Because there were so many things where he was just in that jail.
00:36:25
Speaker
Because like wait when they first introduced him to it, you see who's like ah writing the chalk. like ah You think of a number of days. And the comes in and he's like, man, it's been a whole 20 minutes. like I'm like, what?
00:36:37
Speaker
i think That got me too. I was like, God, like if you see the things, like what what makes it great too is the way they're selling it. They're selling every line because they're they're taking it so seriously. yeah It's so funny. yeah ah It's very, very deadpan.
00:36:54
Speaker
Yeah. God. So. And then with with with that and him trying to escape the prison, that that whole, like, going through different chutes and coming out of the toilet and all that. and Yeah.
00:37:07
Speaker
Every little thing. It's magic. Like, and that's the thing is, like, you you can't. And just random of the things like it's yeah like ah it's like you honestly have to watch it because there's a lot of visual jokes too. Yes. It's like it's uh yeah it's uh yeah I don't know I have nothing but very positive things to say about this movie like in terms of a comedy.
00:37:27
Speaker
But yeah but. It definitely will make you laugh like. Because you're right, though. It's that deadpan seriousness like ah that that they use for, like, so many of the jokes. And you just can't help it. Like, how are they saying these things without laughing? yeah Like, it remember I think when Val Kilmer's character was introduced, like, i didn't know what to make of him yet. Then like the first one of the first lines was like, was speaking German.
00:37:52
Speaker
And then what where he said, with the guy was like, oh, what does that mean? Like, what are you saying? He's like, what he's like, what was like, it's like, are you 18 or something like that? Is your daughter 18? Oh, is your daughter 18? That's it. Yeah.
00:38:08
Speaker
And he was like so serious like he's like yeah he's like is like yeah that's what it is. Yeah. i a
00:38:16
Speaker
Good for you Val. There was actually another thing I know it's like there's definitely one or two jokes in that movie I don't think you get away making the current movie today. Nobody was safe in that movie. they They make fun everybody.
00:38:33
Speaker
No, yeah, you're right. Yeah. It's ah it's good. it's it's ah It's well done. It's ah it's good. Yeah, like I said, I think it's it's one of those things where it's like, that's just, is like I wouldn't want to talk about too much of it because I really encourage people to go check it out.
00:38:52
Speaker
This is probably one of my most glowing reviews I've had for a movie on this show. Um, I was not expecting to love this so much. and No, I actually, I'm not gonna lie. Like before I threw it on, i was like, ah, like sometimes, sometimes the watches is like, you know, it feels a bit like work. You're like, ah, okay. Like whatever. I'm going to watch this. Right. And it's just like, but right off the bat, was like, I'm enjoying the fuck out of this. Yes.
00:39:18
Speaker
Because I thought it was going to be... you know, it might have been one of those those movies that was like... So bad sometimes. You're like, ah, it's it's good. It's charming in its own way, right? Despite how bad it is.
00:39:29
Speaker
But no, this was just... It was just good. And I think they knew... i i think they also knew what they were working with at that time, too. but With the special effects. Because they make jokes about the special effects, too. I'm not going to say what it is. I don't want to... I want it to be a surprise, I think.
00:39:47
Speaker
But, uh... Yeah, the mice, if you remember the mice.
00:39:54
Speaker
Wait, wait, there's so many things I'm trying to remember. I look at my notes like, what did I say about the mice? Did I say anything about the mice? I think there were mice, weren't they? Yeah, i'm sure there were. I think it was mice. Yes.
00:40:06
Speaker
but But it's all right. It's good. It's good because because we have to talk about it. It's fine. he we want we want we We want the audience to be surprised with this. We want you to watch this. we We want everybody to watch so yes If you need a good comedy, if you like Airplane, if you like Hot Shots, you will love this movie. Yes. If you like that type of music like that the type of humor, you're going to have a hell of a tone.
00:40:27
Speaker
Let me tell you. Yeah, but the like, and like when, so i was like taking more notes when it was like the last act of the film. Um, when they were, ah when they're with, uh, the Les Rรฉsistance with the first. Oh, fuck, man.
00:40:43
Speaker
Every scene that, uh, chocolate mousse. Chocolate mousse is my favorite. Oh, fuck. That guy. I love chocolate mousse. Oh, that was beautiful. If they made a spin-off movie with Chocolate Moose, I would watch that. could. You very well. You absolutely could.
00:41:00
Speaker
I'd watch it. But i feel like they were flying on all cylinders with with that last with that last act Yeah. Everything was working.
00:41:11
Speaker
Yeah. um That, that, like, like the buildup when when they're showing how they were going to infiltrate the, the compound. And then all sudden there's like a giant miniature of everything that they're going to do. I'm like, where did this come from?
00:41:26
Speaker
And then what, when, when they were throwing the, uh, the, um, not, it's not the, uh, but with throwing the grappling hook.
00:41:40
Speaker
Oh yeah, and then he tosses the dude. Oh my God, none of it makes sense. And then like ah that scene happens and I'm laughing.
00:41:51
Speaker
like i'm trying to get I'm trying to stop laughing from that one. yeah And then the next scene you have Chuck and Moose throwing the one guy off and all sudden the guy just breaks like a vase like into pieces. I'm like, what is happening?
00:42:07
Speaker
Yeah, that's... I was not taking notes that movie at all because, yeah, was just... Every scene, I was just laughing. Or sometimes I should be chuckling.
00:42:17
Speaker
Yes. yeah Yeah. If you're not laughing, you're definitely doing a bunch of chuckles. Yeah. It would get so over the top, but like I said, the so the whole deadpan just taking it seriously makes it so much funnier when... like I really like the the love interest in this. i thought I thought she was well casted.
00:42:35
Speaker
I think her and Val played well with each other. no they yeah they had they definitely had some good chemistry there. so But to see them when when they they they have like they're coming down the parachutes?
00:42:47
Speaker
Like,
00:42:52
Speaker
oh what is happening it's funny because like I like I'm ah it's almost like like I forgot some of the stuff yeah it's yep and it like there's there's so many scenes it's uh it's definitely something I can tell you right now like I will be watching that again some you know what I mean I'm look excited to recommend this movie to a lot of to a lot of friends I will be like you do you like airplane do you like hot shots do you know what top secret is you're like I guarantee nobody knows this movie That... I mean, was about to say, most people will not know this movie.
00:43:25
Speaker
It's so freaking obscure, but it's like yeah I guess that's the thing at this point, now that, because he's had the career he's had, it's like, it's got Val Kilmer, and it's like, it's good. Like, it's... like Yeah, and it showcases like why he became a star. like This is his first film role.
00:43:43
Speaker
He shows a lot of range in this in this movie for even for being a comedy. He does, because he does sell you on being like this this kind of rock star. Yes, so and he's doing all the singing. like i was I was singing that Tutti Frutti song so much. Yeah.
00:44:01
Speaker
Like just around the house, like two to the food. Oh, rude. Like, like oh my God, this is so much fun. to see Yeah. and Yeah, it was killing just all those scenes where where he's just dancing. I love I love the dancing he did. um when they're at the ah the diner when they're all, they had their live resistance meeting, they all got little milkshakes. thought that was so funny.
00:44:26
Speaker
But like his dancing in that scene, it was funny and he was he was selling it so well. He's got the moves. He's got all the moves down. And this it may because he was selling that so well, he could do so much because he know it's like really him.
00:44:43
Speaker
He could do all the the visual gags that were going on with that. um Man, it's just like... It's fun talking about this because I feel like there's we were we're gushing so much about this. i and I kind of don't want to miss anything, you
00:45:01
Speaker
know? No, I i agree. like it's ah i was I was telling you like because I watched it last night and I was like even texted you. I was like, I just finished I was like, I'm mix excited talk about this tomorrow on the show there. So it's... Yeah, it really wasn't that good.
00:45:17
Speaker
So... Yeah, I don't want i don't want people to think that we're over-hyping it. It meets the hype. It will meet the hype, I promise you. There's no hype to me. that's just it's so It's such an obscure title. like I expected so little of it, that and I think that that's one of those things where I actually... You think the name of the movie hurt the movie?
00:45:39
Speaker
It's called a Top Secret? Like, you don't know what, i mean, like, you know, you also have Airplane, like i mean, how are you gonna know that? Then you have Hot Shots, but like, don't I guess with Top Secret, you think it's like, going to be like a serious movie, maybe? i don't Yeah, I mean, I get, because Hot Shots, I mean, it's, well, I mean, even those, though those movies, i like, Airplane, I mean, that could be like a, it could be, it could be, a it could be like a plane crash movie, like,
00:46:08
Speaker
Yeah, true. I mean, it was based off ah a plane crash movie. You know, maybe, I don't know, like, it's, uh... I feel like the the title works. Yeah.
00:46:19
Speaker
Like, so it's like... I, uh... I feel like that I think it's just that nobody like it it's it's just very obscure like I like I said it it flew so like I've never even heard of it it's not and it's a Val Kilmer movie like you think that I would have at least heard of it at some point you know what I mean yes I i guess if you had you not recommend it to me it's not like I I don't think I ever would have known that he even made that movie and it's a shame because like I said I I did love him that much in MacGruber and i I never really... That's the only comedic role I've ever seen him in. So it was like, it's interesting to see that that complete flip because i've I've only known him in these serious roles, you know, and like, yeah, it was was really like interesting. i was like, huh, was like, and then here you are like, yeah, that's that's kind of how he starts his stuff. Like it's yeah, don't know.
00:47:14
Speaker
And It like, you're not wrong, like it was it was ah it was a terrific performance by him, like... I guess realistically, like, I-I- you could even make the argument to me that this could be like, one of his best roles as well. Uh, just from the range he's showing and all the stuff that he's like, selling you on, I mean, it's like... There's almost like, he's almost doing drama, but he's doing comedy, and he's doing like this rockstar performance in like the same movie.
00:47:43
Speaker
I know, like, it maybe, I mean, you know, they always say better very late than never. I'm i'm just so glad i had the chance. The only thing, I did somewhat know about this because because I did watch the documentary, a Val. Val.
00:47:57
Speaker
um I highly recommend that as well if you want to learn more about the life. He did he did a lot of his own videotaping when he was on on certain sets of the films that he starred um and It was kind of like this lost footage that were just all bundled together and then the documentary came out.
00:48:17
Speaker
And he talked briefly about Top Secret, but I think I was just so excited him talking about other movies. I didn't really pay pay that no mind. But now I'm just so glad just now I got to watch it. And and and I mean, you know, not every not every first film an actor is going to do is going to be a you know a success. And I'm sure for him, I don't know if he took it hard, if it because I see it probably flopped at the box office.
00:48:45
Speaker
It must have been. Yeah. And that's that's the thing, right? as i You know, maybe, like you said, right, he he didn't have a name. Right. And especially when you're leading a comedy, you typically need somebody, like, you know what i mean? Like, it's... You definitely want, like, a strong name behind you for comedies, typically.
00:49:02
Speaker
But for for for that to be your first movie role, especially your first movie role and you're the star. Yeah. That is a great one to have.
00:49:13
Speaker
Not many actors have a great first role of theirs. Like, it's not the first role and you're starring in it is wild. That's so rare. Yeah. So, Val...
00:49:26
Speaker
Good on you for this. we we We were so proud and happy for you. I mean, but rest in peace, man. We miss you. but Like, I'm so glad you I'm getting this ah having this ah Val Kilmer marathon and really just loving everything you've done with your career. miss you.
00:49:46
Speaker
we miss yeah No, I, I, yeah, I, it's, uh, I guess it's, it's a shame, like you said, he's still, he's still pretty young when yeah so he was, like, he could've still made some more stuff.
00:49:57
Speaker
I know. At the same time, it's like, yeah, like, I don't know, You know, and we're getting the opportunity, I guess, to to watch movies. Like I said, ah if if we weren't doing like this podcast and stuff, there's I don't think there's any way in hell I ever would have watched this movie. Yeah, it is it probably would have fell by the wayside, right?
00:50:14
Speaker
and ah And it's, yeah, like in that every now and then on this show, and it's not to say, you know, like sometimes we watch stuff that's good, but every now and then you just like, you you really... do you get one where you're just like yeah, like, I'm glad. Like, and this this is the why, James.
00:50:29
Speaker
this is This is why you put in all that, the hard, grueling labor hours.
00:50:39
Speaker
It was all worth it, man. Exactly. Exactly. um But, so I guess i guess we we can give our ratings for this now, huh?
Conclusion: 'Top Secret!' Legacy and Kilmer's Impact
00:50:50
Speaker
Uh, yeah, i' I'd be good with that. I mean, no it's not like we're we're not done with Val. We're pretty much jumping right back into him next week. so Yeah.
00:50:58
Speaker
What is your rating? I'm giving it 5. I love this movie. Yeah, I'd say Sleepy Games Classic. Sleepy Games Classic, for sure. Finally thing, I think this is the first time we've both rated a movie a 5, isn't it?
00:51:11
Speaker
Yes. it might be. Yes, it is. Yeah. That's pretty awesome. That is pretty awesome. I was not expecting that. No. And that's sometimes that that's how it works. Right. So it's like, yeah.
00:51:25
Speaker
Yeah. Every now and then.
00:51:28
Speaker
But, yeah, otherwise, i don't know if you did you have anything else to talk about before next week's episode? Well, I mean, I'll probably bring up more more tidbits about Val's career for next week. Please do. Because I may want to watch ah ah so another movie of his I haven't seen. um Other than MacGruber, of course.
00:51:52
Speaker
um But and I might re-watch the documentary again because i think I think it came out in... want to say 2019? Um... nineteen um Because, it came out in 2021. Okay, yes. So I watched this like right when it came out. And like his ah I think his son was the one that helped put this together.
00:52:16
Speaker
And he kind of does like the narration for it since Val's cancer. He couldn't talk. yeah um So I'm going to re-watch that too and just like get to learn more about his about his career and how he got started and how like how he made that transition to theater, theater.
00:52:32
Speaker
films and how he got approached to get that role for top secret especially now watching it i want to learn more now of how he got that role so i'll make sure to bring that um information to the show next week i dig it yeah for sure man yeah but i'm glad we we we got to give it a sleepy games classic but well deserved sleepy games classic Yeah, the first double Sleepy Games Classic. See, that's what's a must-watch, people. It's a must-watch.
00:53:00
Speaker
That's like thumbs up. Well, I think that does it for us this week. Until next week, we'll willll have our reviews for MacGruber and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
00:53:15
Speaker
But we will see you then. Cheers. Cheers.
00:55:53
Speaker
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00:56:47
Speaker
Thank you.