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No Bad Missions!
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Season 3 Finale!
Exploring the 'Mission: Impossible' film series that has been ongoing since the mid 1990's.
Can't believe it's been another season already! Enjoy your summer and we'll be back in Season Four!
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Podcast Introduction
00:00:03
Speaker
You're listening to the Sleepy Games Podcast.
00:00:14
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And we are back for the season finale of the Sleepy Games Podcast. Sad to say, but we want to make sure to end on a high note as we get into the blockbuster season.
00:00:27
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We are your hosts. I am James Games. And as always, Sleepy Joan. up, What's up, man? How's it going, buddy? um' doing I'm doing good,
Mission Impossible Franchise Discussion
00:00:36
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man. I'm excited for today's episode because we're we're diving into the Mission Impossible franchise.
00:00:40
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Right. Because as everyone knows that the last, well, seemingly last Mission Impossible. Okay, do you feel like this is actually going to be the last, though?
00:00:52
Speaker
I'll give my thoughts when I give my review. Sounds good. Okay. and Okay. ah Because because you said you said you don't mind if I dive into spoilers, correct?
00:01:02
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Yeah. no No, like, it's ah it was on me to to try to try and watch them both, and I failed. I chose to accept the mission, but I failed.
00:01:15
Speaker
Okay. You failed. You chose not to accept it. Well, no, I chose to accept You can accept it or not accept it. Yeah, you just declined. Okay.
00:01:26
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What kind of mission? I think that's something that they say in Dead Reckoning too. They're like, what task force lets you choose the mission? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. It was very self-aware, which I liked.
00:01:38
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but When he was like, yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah, but I want to dive into that one first. and um so so So Dead Reckoning, that came out two years ago. right and you never saw it before it's your first time seeing dead reckoning i saw in theaters when it came out so um yeah so i i i think i talked about it on the podcast a little bit uh when it came ah or like when it came because know it was a summer movie season but i probably when we did like a recap of the summer i think i talked about it yeah recently i believe yeah i think you did briefly touch on it a bit yeah
00:02:11
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Yeah, so so ah ah so the the audience wants to know your thoughts. So you you started us off by talking about Dead Reckoning. And then i then I'll kind of like... Because I want to talk about with you too, since I think it was my third time re-watching it.
00:02:25
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and Okay. So so i I watched it after watching um the newest one, the final Reckoning. Okay, yeah. So take it away. All right.
00:02:36
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ah I guess, for starters...
00:02:41
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Our man Tom Cruise, he does a lot of running in this one. Wait, I gotta stop you right there.
00:02:50
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I was gonna bring this up later, but now now na ne now's a good time as Eddie said she brought it up right away. and like All right, we can pause. Who can pause? Yeah. Okay, so not counting the last one.
00:03:05
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Not counting the last one. right How much running in miles do you think Tom Cruise has ran total throughout the franchise, excluding the final record?
00:03:21
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like I take it somebody actually has the answer to this. as we Yes. or it's Yes, it's online. I found out this data. ah I looked it
In-depth Analysis of 'Dead Reckoning'
00:03:30
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up for the show. Okay, so Miles, like that's like it's like it's like what? That's like 1.6 kilometers or something like that, right? If I'm not mistaken.
00:03:38
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I think that's right. Well, if you if you want to go by kilometers, you can. uh no no i mean like it's uh it's fine you asked me in miles i'll answer in miles and then not that it makes a fucking difference like i'm trying to run through like because he he does run a fair bit yes like i i don't know you know what i'm gonna say in some movies he runs more than one mile i'll say that yeah no i can see that oh i'm gonna go with like I'm gonna say 16, 16 miles. 16, that is a high guesstimate. He does a lot of breading.
00:04:16
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so so So, I mean, sort but yeah say you say kilometers? Is this kilometers? Well, I feel like based on what you're saying is I'd be, I probably would be correct if I was in kilometers.
00:04:31
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so So, yeah, so let's pretend you make kilometers because the correct answer is 9.65 miles. Damn, so I was literally pretty much spot on. It's 15.5 kilometers. Okay, huh.
00:04:49
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ah That's how much he's ran, excluding final recordings. Right. Because apparently there's no there's they don't have the data for that yet, apparently. They break it down when it's on streaming. And I need to know, like this is this actual what he ran or is this like what the character was actually running? like Those are two different things.
00:05:09
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So, I mean, if we're if we're if we're talking about Tom Cruise, if we're talking about multiple takes for a movie he's doing, he's probably doing more than this. That's true. Okay. um So this is just based off they know where his character is running, like where the starting point is until the end point.
00:05:29
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and they're ba They're basing off that. but i mean And a lot of that time is showing Tom Cruise running all that. Yeah. Oh yeah. So that, that brings me to my next question.
00:05:41
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Um, how, how much screen time is Tom Cruise actually running throughout all these movies? Excluding Final Record. Uh, okay. You know what? I'm going to give it, uh, Hmm. want to say two and a half minutes of screen time of running per movie.
00:06:05
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That's too much. That's too much? It feels like that though. Why did i didn't like to run so much? so i think I think in the first two movies, he doesn't run that much. Like, i mean he does running. He does run. He's run.
00:06:20
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has run. It's not an extended scene of him. Like, that wasn't a thing until the third movie. Yeah, the third one was very long. Yes. I remember this. I remember this distinctly. i Actually, it's funny because I was walking on the bridge in Prague and there was a tour guide Like, that I wasn't a part of. I was just walking on the bridge.
00:06:39
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And he's explaining that this is the bridge that Tom Cruise is running on. i was like, I know. I saw a lot of it. On the movie. Anyways.
00:06:50
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Yeah. So, yeah. ah like ah Like, I think the third... me see this, actually. Was it the third one that he does the most? Or, like, the most, like, screen time. Right. Right.
00:07:03
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Okay, anyways, what what was the answer, anyways, and in total, then? ah So the the the answer is only eight minutes. Eight minutes. wow So I said two and a half per... How many? There's seven movies, are right?
00:07:15
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ah So there's eight. But okay that's for this list, we're counting seven. Right, so seven times two and a half. I can't do math, so it's like, that's what 14, 16, something like that? so I don't know.
00:07:30
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Anyways, yeah, i was a little off. I doubled the time. Maybe it just feels like watching it. But good for Tom Cruise, you know, running all that that distance in all these movies and for that man, Tom Cruise. But do we know why he does that?
00:07:45
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Like, why does he insist on running?
00:07:49
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mean, he runs in all his movies. He's never run just in Mission Impossible. No, i'm I'm aware. He like he runs in Top Gun Maverick. Yeah, I think the the only the only movie I can think of where I'm pretty sure he doesn't run, that he's in it, other than, like, bit parts, like which I'm not going to count, I'm say, like, ah Collateral is probably the only one I can think of. No, he runs in Collateral.
00:08:11
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He runs in Collateral? When did he run? Yeah, he Jimmy Foxx. Ah, shit, he does. There's that there's that like ah last scene. He does run, you're right. What about... No, no, no, no. He chases him in the hospital, too. with went when after That's right, he does. He does like to run. Okay, we're getting off track here. We're going to need a whole episode. It's talking about Tom Cruise running. wow
00:08:37
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yeah Anyway. What did Andy Racken want to add to Forrest Gump? yeah Yeah, he would give Forrest Gump a run for his money. I didn't mean to do that.
00:08:48
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I just ran.
00:08:52
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um good Anyway, Dead Reckoning. Dead Reckoning. ah So yeah, I guess other than than that... um I mean, overall... like ah I will say... was a bit long. like I'm not going to say... it I'm not gonna say I felt like a drag but it but it did feel long. Like, I don't know if that makes sense.
00:09:19
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No, no, no, it does make sense, because I actually felt that with the new one. Oh, okay, yeah. More so than this one. Okay, yeah, cause there's like because i think it I think it was coming in like two hours, like 40 minutes, and I mean like... but An action movie that's very long.
00:09:36
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Yeah, actually, don't need to be that long i should say it's an action movie, and it is, and like, it has a very very, very thin plot, which is fine, I know it's an action movie, but it's like, to to to almost cram three hours, when you really, all you're doing is chasing after a fucking key. Mm-hmm.
00:09:58
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And I all honestly think that the plot is is is there's not a really a whole lot of depth to that movie and stuff. Like, i do I do dig some of the stunts. I know he did some of those on stunts. I know the one where he's ah driving the bike off of the cliff. Yep.
00:10:13
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My understanding is that was also one of his stunts, which pushing... I think he's 60 now, is he not? I think he's 62. Yeah, so I mean he did this at six. He probably did that when he was like 58, 59. Yeah, okay. So like I commend him for it. I ah respect that.
00:10:28
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I think he he definitely still has like a like a a really deep passion for cinema and doing his own stunts and and all of that. and like and I definitely respect the guy for it.
00:10:39
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ah Overall, i mean, the movie... like It was alright. i think it really brought to light something that I've kind of noticed in movies that I've watched of Tom Cruise.
00:10:51
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And I think he benefits very strongly from having strong co-lead.
00:11:00
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And I think that... And I'll get to my rankings later and I'll probably be able to justify as to why, but... You know, looking at some of the some of the movies that feel like of his that are more memorable, he he's he's not the leading man. he's He's always got co-leads. Like, at least one, one if not two co-leads or whatever, right?
00:11:20
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And I feel like that that always does better for him. In this case, like I don't think Simon Pegg or Ving Rhames are really... like they they got They got good parts in it, i I liked seeing them, like, you don't you don't see a whole lot of either of them these days, it seems, either. like i may Maybe unless i'm just they fly under the radar for stuff that I haven't watched.
00:11:41
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um But I did enjoy the scenes that were in it, but again, like it it is Tom Cruise's flick, like he is front-line and center in this one. uh the bad guy i i honestly hate to say like i i don't i i i didn't really care for the bad guy in this one he's he's a very one note bad guy and it's like where his motivation is like okay you're just a stereotypical villain he wants to take over the world super and like i i can't say he's like he's not yeah I didn't find myself... Yeah, really, like, having any sort of, like, like like vibe for him.
00:12:19
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Usually, I like to like the bad guy, right? Like, even if I don't agree with what he's doing. like hey And want to tell you this now, like... like Because, you know, this is a part one and everything. You know, they're, they they they They hint in this one that, like, oh, you know, he has to do with ah Ethan's past. like Like, before, like, the first movie or whatever, like, they had a history.
00:12:41
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right They don't dive into any of that the second one. Ah, okay. It's pointless. It's literally pointless for them to even bring that up. Yeah, and so, oh yeah, well, I and i mean, so, they I mean, that that kind of even craps on a little bit more, unfortunately. like I will say, like, some of the things I liked, I do think that a train scene in an action movie is a bit of a trope.
00:13:08
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It's a bit overdone. However, the way they did it, the way they did it. When I saw the train, i was like, come on, not another train scene, yeah especially when we're fucking we're eight movies deep or something like that. what And they've used trains before, like in the first one, and they had a freaking train. So it's like, but that was very bad CGI, though.
00:13:29
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it it Yeah, well, anyways, we' we'll get to that, I guess. But it it was a it was a good train scene. I did i did dig it. There were those things that I hadn't seen ah done in a train scene before, so i will say, ah you know, hats off to that.
00:13:48
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That was cool to see. i I mean, otherwise, like, and honestly, like, I can't even say, like,
00:14:00
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Like, the the opening, the desert scene was cool for action. Yes. I really like that scene, too um ah I'm a big fan of that girl, Rebecca Ferguson. Right. um We're going to spoilers.
00:14:14
Speaker
Yeah, no. like but me Yeah, just we're going to spoilers. I haven't seen the second movie, it. How'd you feel about them killing killing her off?
00:14:25
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Uh...
00:14:28
Speaker
I was not happy with it, especially after seeing the new the the second one, the new one, or the last one. Yeah. It made me even more mad. It was a weird scene how she died too, and she had already quote, died in the movie a little bit, and I kind of get annoyed when they started doing that. It's like oh, just kidding. Oh, wait, this time it's real. It's like, is it Yeah. then I don't know what she's coming back like is I was she wearing a face like you never know with Mission Impossible right so I don't know I mean that's uh yeah I mean I did like the character i did like the actress yeah and I mean honestly like well I think so ah so I think the problem for me is I know they um in the middle of the series
00:15:15
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they go they dive into Ethan's personal life. but like They don't do that in the beginning movies, and they and they don't really do that in the last two. Right. and ah Unless is with it's with her. um Because I was thinking that they were going to have some kind of relationship start with Ethan and um Rebecca Ferguson's Captain Blake on her name.
00:15:38
Speaker
But... um I thought I was going to lean towards that. was like, okay, this is a good way to end the series. You know, he actually finds someone that, you know, who does the same shit he does.
00:15:49
Speaker
um and And they can ride off in the sunset, retire together, you know? Right. Yeah. And i just felt like when it happened, I'm just like, well, that's out the window. I'm like, why was this this whole like romantic setup?
00:16:04
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And then like, we we we we don't even see any romance and you just kill her off. Yeah, I mean, sometimes I kind of get the ah kind of get the impression that maybe they had a bunch of ideas and and maybe didn't decide to pursue some of the stuff that they were doing. Yeah.
00:16:20
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Well, it's it's just interesting to me how how how I feel like they killed her off because they can't have two badass female good guys. Right, and that's like, I feel like this movie was probably lacking a little bit of estrogen, honestly.
00:16:38
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ah I mean, Simon Pegg at times maybe was feeling that. yeah ah But you know, but no him and ri Bing Rames always bring the comic relief.
00:16:49
Speaker
Yeah, and that's what they, so, you know, yeah, I think that the movie, I think it would have probably benefited from, yeah, because, like, ah even, like, in the first movie, there's that, I don't know what the actress's name but the Maxine was the, she's kind of, like that the the bad guy in that one, and, like, I think definitely commanding female lead type presence and stuff what ah would have been good, ah think, in this movie. Well, I did really like the villain, the female villain.
00:17:16
Speaker
I liked her a lot. Right. yeah yeah Yeah. I like that actress. Except that she she turns good too. so She does. So that that doesn't count.
00:17:27
Speaker
See, you see that's so that's the thing. i I guess you can't have three badass female good guys. I mean, honestly, like you could for three hours, like you probably needed it. like I don't know. yeah I think it was there was too much there was too much being attempted to cram into a movie that didn't need it, I guess is is really what it was. And it's like...
00:17:46
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Yeah, like, especially like, and I remember, ah because I started the movie, i I don't think I actually saw how long it was. i just assumed it was going to be a kind of a standard two hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:58
Speaker
Especially there's a part two. yep And, and I think I started it at at around like 10 p.m. and I had to work the next day, right? and then And then right around midnight, I'm just like like, I think I paused the movie because it even felt like it was going to end.
00:18:15
Speaker
But I was like, I don't know if I had to take a piss or something like that. And then I paused and I saw there was still over an hour left. i was like, are you fucked? yeah And then I was like, I think I'm just going to finish this tomorrow.
Ranking the Mission Impossible Films
00:18:32
Speaker
And that whole train scene, it takes a good bit. Like from the setup, from them talking about then the execution ah as far as the meeting with Kittredge, then putting the masks on.
00:18:47
Speaker
I do always like those scenes. I like the scenes whenever someone's wearing a mask. Okay. I'm glad you brought that up. and for Like, it's my cup of tea. I gotta talk And I know that it's a Mission and Impossible staple.
00:19:00
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Like, I'm not, you know, whatever. It's been in since the first movie. I don't, I'm assuming it must have been. I think it was the TV show, too. That's what I was gonna say. i was like, I had i had never watched the TV show. I'm assuming it came from that.
00:19:11
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But I'm going to say, if that was a legitimate thing, yeah It would not... It would not have started off being used as like a spy gadget.
00:19:24
Speaker
Like the the the the um amount of different ways you could use something like that. don't care if this existed in the world. Are you talking about front tim about like a role playing?
00:19:37
Speaker
I'm talking about whatever your brain can conceive because the amount of shit you can do with something like that. I mean, yeah, if you want to go full perversion, I mean, yes. Yeah, yeah, ah But I mean like you could like financially, yeah, you could even, yeah, you could do lots and lots of different role playing.
00:19:52
Speaker
You could basically, you could essentially put actors out of work, really, like I mean, although I guess that'd be they'd be a different type of, I guess, quote, AI type thing, i don't really know. But it's like, yeah, like the amount of different things you could do with like, because there's no, you know, you can't tell that it's a fake person.
00:20:10
Speaker
And I think it's always the good, it's always the, I think other than the second one, think it's always the good guys that have the masks. Well, yes, but that's what I'm saying. is they have the technology The technology exists. It means that it'd be out in the world. like They're not the only ones that have access to this. It would be in the black market for sure.
00:20:27
Speaker
but Yeah, and that's what I'm saying, right? like and It's like, so... and Yeah, like... and i believe So there's that. Well, okay, but I guess that's also one of the things that I've always kind of hated about the movie is that anytime anything's happening, I was like, is this a real person?
00:20:44
Speaker
Is it? I think what it is for me, I like when it's different actors who are doing it for the first time. because he see I feel like it makes it ah you see a different side of it.
00:20:57
Speaker
you don't You don't know how they're going to be compared to someone else. I did get a kick out of it. I like how Grace dealt with that or like how she had to deal with it. Right. um because you know Because there were times where where she slipped up.
00:21:13
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And she brushed it up and said, oh, okay, you caught yourself. Right, right, right.
00:21:19
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And then, of course, I liked when you know she gets away they're like, oh no, it's not her. The other her whatever. Yeah, man. But yeah, I mean, and and ah I will will say like it made me think of actually, i don't know if you ever saw this was in the early 90s.
00:21:38
Speaker
ah There was a comic book movie. it was a bit of a b movie. It was called Darkman. No, I never saw it. Okay, so it was by the same guys that made light the Army of Darkness trilogy. Okay. So it's like, ah i'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it was done by Sam Raimi. I could be wrong, but anyways.
00:21:53
Speaker
ah Yeah, that's basically the gist of the movie, is this guy's superpower is he can basically throw on a face of anybody. He only has a certain amount of time, though, with the face. Oh.
00:22:07
Speaker
and And that's ah so he ends up, you know, going to he also like, I guess he can't feel pain. I think was the other thing. But yeah that's why he's Darkman, because he's every man kind of deal. Right. he was ah So if you like the face stuff, I recommend Darkman.
00:22:22
Speaker
right nine Yeah. I do like the face stuff. Yeah. I mean, it it actually stars. ah Do you want know who it stars? Who? It stars a fairly young because keep in mind, early ninety s Liam Neeson.
00:22:35
Speaker
Interesting. Yeah. Really nice. being Liam Neeson did Schindler's List in the early 90s. Do you know who else is stars? Christian and Slater. If it's a Sam Raimi flick.
00:22:47
Speaker
Oh, ah Bruce Campbell. Bruce Campbell's got a cameo, baby. Of course. Yeah. Christian Slater might be in it. I honestly don't remember the movie that well. but i mean I'm doubtful that he's in it, but you never know.
00:23:05
Speaker
um So the one thing I want to bring up, because ah when when I saw this, I came from came back from Europe the first for the first time. And I was literally all over Italy.
00:23:17
Speaker
before like And then two weeks later, I saw this movie. right So it was very cool. Especially when they're doing the one car chase scene in Rome with the Fiat.
00:23:28
Speaker
And I was just like, oh my god, I was just there. I was just walking these streets. yeah And I thought that whole scene was very well constructed um as far as them being handcuffed together and then figuring out who's going to drive. And then the Fiat comes out and they thought he had another car. And Tom Cruise came really.
00:23:49
Speaker
He can't drive the Fiat like he can the other cars. That was fun. um Yeah. Yeah, it a... yeah wasn' wasn't a bad car chase? Wasn't bad?
00:24:01
Speaker
and don't know if i and if it would crest the top 20 even, but it wasn't bad. yeah Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if we yeah i don't know if we would put that in the best car chases.
00:24:12
Speaker
It's just, like, for me, because because it's a Mission Impossible, like, they're wrapping it up, supposedly, I don't know. But it's like, yeah I just kind of want to be blown away, right? I want to be wowed. and Yeah. yeah I feel like it was a good car chase.
00:24:24
Speaker
I don't know if it was a great car chase. I don't know. I don't mean to crap on this movie. I don't know i don't know if you were, like, super jazzed about it or not, but... so So I was actually going to say after watching it again, even especially after watching the the final Reckoning, I like i thought it's it's this one flowed very well. Even for being almost three hours. like like For me, it it didn't feel like it.
00:24:49
Speaker
I felt like I was always looking forward to the next scene. I think each scene was kind of paced pretty well. is And the tension was just there. That's what I meant. like it's still I wouldn't say that it... but like because that's what i was saying was like i wouldn't say like it it like I don't know exactly the words that I used, but that's i was trying to say. i was like I'm not saying that the pacing was off or anything like that, but it just...
00:25:10
Speaker
it did Overall, it just felt long. like I won't say that I was bored. like that The scenes were pretty good. like a they They know how to shake it up so that way you know you're not getting too much action you don't know or anything like that. like And then they switched different characters and stuff. like I think they did a good job with that. It just just felt long at the end of it.
00:25:30
Speaker
is is all I mean. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, anyways. Because rewatching, even really liked that scene when it was all the yeah the guys from the ah the CIA, the government or whatever, and them just talking, and let the one guy walks in, I'm like, who the fuck is this? Who the hell is this creepy guy?
00:25:47
Speaker
And at that at that time, I did not know that was Tom Cruise. I didn't know he was like, oh, I thought it was the enemy. I thought it was like the AI or whatever. Yeah, I thought the same thing. They did a good job with throwing you off on that one for Yes.
00:26:03
Speaker
So, yeah, i was I was pleasantly surprised with that scene. and then like it just It just kept flowing, flowing. Because I think the action was handled yeah sparingly. like It was like, okay, we'll we'll have this narrative scene to kind of bring the plot together and in action.
00:26:18
Speaker
Then we'll tie this together to more action. like It was sprinkled nicely. now and um I'm bringing this up now because there's a problem with the final record game. It doesn't do well with this. Right.
00:26:30
Speaker
um But... um I guess... I guess it's fine. We don't need to go into ratings. I guess our rating will be how we rate the series. um So I guess we'll start off with your least favorite Mission Impossible.
00:26:47
Speaker
My least favorite Mission Impossible. All right. ah Hmm...
00:26:56
Speaker
Honestly, I mean, like, and it's, I don't know if it's being fair to it because I haven't watched, like, most of these movies, uh, with the exception of, like, the first one, like I said, I just rewatched. Uh, I watched these as they came out and and didn't really rewatch them, like, if that makes sense, uh, with the exception of one of them.
00:27:15
Speaker
Um, and, uh, so... You know, maybe if I were to rewatch it, I wouldn't feel the same way. And I am a big fan of John Woo, but I don't remember enjoying the second one, like, when it came out.
00:27:30
Speaker
So, like, because I watched it, I was kind of excited for It had a great soundtrack, actually, like, terrific soundtrack. I remember Limp Bizkit was on that soundtrack. Yeah, Limp Bizkit was on that There was some Metallica on there. Like, it was it was pretty good from what I remember.
00:27:43
Speaker
um And, yeah, like I just remember like the movie fell short. like I remember the motorcycle scene being pretty cool, but like that was like it. like Oh, there was like the rock climbing scene at the start of the movie.
00:27:56
Speaker
thought that was kind of cool. like It had some cool bits, but I don't remember liking the movie. Yeah, so yeah and so I'm actually going to agree with you. Mission Impossible 2 is my least favorite.
00:28:08
Speaker
um I watched it when was a I was... kids i was Kind of like 12, 13 when I first watched it. um And yeah, rewatched I think like three years ago. And actually, i think I was over hating it like before I saw it again. Right.
00:28:31
Speaker
um And ah so I'm going to say that i think that that I think there's no bad Mission Impossible movie. Like, it's just it's just that this one is just...
00:28:43
Speaker
don't mediocre, I guess. Okay, yeah. but But I enjoyed some of the characters. i like the female lead in it. I forgot Anthony Hopkins was in this movie.
00:28:54
Speaker
So did I. hear yeah but But overall, it's just so silly. i just i don't think I'm a fan of the John Woo directing style. it just For me, it's just too over the top, even for a Mission Impossible movie.
00:29:10
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Yeah, but I think at that time, that's like what all the movies were doing. and so and end dangerous kind of They were feeling that energy and they were like, let's get John Woo. He'll throw some doves out and it will be epic. Yeah.
00:29:24
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Yeah. So it's just like, I think when I see scenes like that, it's just, it's like unintentionally funny, you know, it's just like, this texas is so silly. I can't even take it seriously.
00:29:35
Speaker
I think that that's the the thing with the second one is definitely a product of its time. Yeah. I think that that's the the best way to put it because like a lot of that was, that was around the time when like a lot of these, like, uh,
00:29:50
Speaker
really over the top, like, kind of like the, the like, is stuff kind of like the first Triple X movie, like, where they're doing these crazy stunts with, like, like dirt bikes and motorcycles and, like, hang glides and jets and even, even, uh, James Bond, uh, that, that was, um,
00:30:09
Speaker
die another day and it it really got into some of those extreme sports things he's doing like this he's surfing with a fucking parachute or something like that that he just like rigged up together and like don't know it seemed like everyone was was was getting on board with with those types of action movies it's a some some weird type of pizzazz in
00:30:36
Speaker
Um, okay. So, sorry. what I went on a little tangent there, I think, I guess. so Yeah, that's what you do.
00:30:47
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Um, okay, so I'll go next for... Okay, let's hear it. So, so my my my list, obviously, I'm going to need to do one more movie than you. Correct. Um...
00:31:04
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And thinking about it more now,
00:31:10
Speaker
I have to say The Final Reckoning is second to last. Okay. yeah I mean, I'll tell you when I'm going back back and forth between, and obviously I'll dive into this movie after this ranking.
00:31:26
Speaker
Yeah. But just so we can we can get through this list, I'm going to say that That one, because to me, it was just more on the disappointing side for a being the last Mission Impossible.
00:31:42
Speaker
Quote, unquote, last Mission Impossible. Right, right, So, yes? Okay, no, no. i'm a Go ahead.
00:31:54
Speaker
Do you have an ad? No, I was going to say, I don't want to dive into it because of the because I want to go and I'll talk about it review. But that's the spot it's at. Okay, for for your rank there. so Yes.
00:32:07
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Okay, so like having not seen it, um I'm kind of at a... See, this is the thing, is like...
00:32:18
Speaker
I feel like, for me, like to be... Correct if filer's ah so there's the there's the first, second, and third.
00:32:28
Speaker
The third is the one with Philip Seymour Hoffman, right? Yes. And then there's basically four, five, and six, and then Dead Reckoning makes seven and eight, right?
00:32:39
Speaker
Yeah, Dead Reckoning and Final Reckoning, yep. Okay, so... For me, like, I'm gonna... I kind of hate doing this, but it's like, to like from having seen them when they came out, and and they remind me a lot of the Fast movies, like, in that they'll come out, um I'm gonna go watch it, like, because I know that I'm gonna be entertained. Like, at the very least, and and I'll say this about the Mission Impossible movies and the Fast movies, I'm going to be entertained, and I ne'er way will.
00:33:05
Speaker
ah But I'll say that 4, 5, and 6... Other than a Superman cocking his biceps, i that is the only thing of note I remember from any of those movies.
00:33:19
Speaker
Oh, no. oh i should have sent you a recap or something. Okay. Maybe, but like but that's just it. is like if If I remember, honestly, nothing else, like nothing's memorable. Nothing's jumping out at me. It's like... I don't know, man. like it's ah I know that they were good movies. like They were. like I enjoyed them. I don't remember...
00:33:39
Speaker
I don't remember get like like turning it off and being like, oh man, that was bullshit, right? I was like, yep, it was another Mission Impossible movie. ah they just they weren't like There wasn't anything like overly memorable, I guess, to me. Well,
00:33:53
Speaker
but I feel the opposite. So anyway, getting back to my list. That's why we do this show, baby. so so you you So you're not gonna name anymore?
00:34:04
Speaker
i just have to do my list? No, no, no! I have, so... No, I still got... So I've got the first, the third, and the seventh movie to still rank. I just put four, or five, and six together.
00:34:19
Speaker
as like... 1, 5, 6, and get it. It boggles my mind. Well, because, okay, in fairness, I won't be able to... I remember stuff, but I can't tell you which movie I saw it in, you know what I mean? like it was This is why i need you need to watch a recap.
00:34:34
Speaker
But, I mean, I'm trying to stay true to how I feel about those movies. It was like it it kind of blurs to No, it's not staying true. It does not help. This does not help at all. Now everyone's going to be leaning on me for the list, because now your list is void.
00:34:48
Speaker
ah Well, I had my mission.
00:34:54
Speaker
All right. All right. but but let me get to my list. Okay. So after Final Reckoning, the my least favorite is the first Mission Impossible.
00:35:05
Speaker
Okay. that that's that It did not make it very high up the list. So I will say between the first Mission Impossible and the next movie on my list, there's a pretty big like in between as far as quality for me.
00:35:20
Speaker
Right, so, okay. is I feel like ah feel like the first Mission Impossible kind of suffers with third act. um I think the first two acts are great.
00:35:32
Speaker
I love everything up until the where he does the that the dangly thing. Oh yes, yes, the famous a dangly thing. Yes, where he dangles. I think we should call that like the, ah because it is a trope, right? It's like the year the ah the ah unopenable room or unbreakable room. Yes.
00:35:54
Speaker
Yeah. like great great Great suspenseful ah set piece. um Very well done, iconic at this point. but you know just because you have an amazing scene doesn't mean the movie is as well um so yeah it just felt a it felt little lackluster whereas you get towards the end was like okay now everyone just turns bad then all sudden there's the cgi fest on the train and just like oh this looks so dated now especially like watching more recently just looks so dated um how recently did you watch the the first one out curiosity uh it was three years ago
00:36:35
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, so i've I've seen all the movies again within the last three years. Okay. ah yeah I guess, like, because for me, like, what this was just an observation. I mean, like, especially from going from having
Preview of 'Final Reckoning'
00:36:50
Speaker
watched the seventh movie to the first movie.
00:36:52
Speaker
I mean, other than, obviously, at like, a 30-year, you know, gap in this actor. which And again, I commend him for still being having the physicality he does. But in the first movie, and and it was something that Maxine, like the the villain, says, she said that his tone was aggressive but playful.
00:37:10
Speaker
And I feel like the the first movie has more of a playfulness to it than as we're getting to to yeah number seven and stuff like that. Well, see, I feel like it did... I think yeah i think I know what you mean with the playfulness.
00:37:26
Speaker
But I feel like other movies did that better. um i think I think the team bond, the team dynamic was better. Right. Where I think this one kind of like, you know, you saw shades of it, but like you feel like oh it kind of wasn't all the way present. He was killed in fairness, and then he's got like, he's he starts his new team. That's when he teams up with Bing Rames. Yeah, but I think a good Mission Impossible movie, you have to have a strong team throughout the movie.
00:37:57
Speaker
Right. Not just like, okay, here's your team. You're dead. Here's your new guys. And they're like, oh, one of your new guys is going to turn bad. I'm like, oh, that's lame. You can see it coming, though, from the get-go.
00:38:10
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yeah yeah Yeah, you see that. But but like I don't know. I kind of like that there's more of a point as to why he's turning, not just like, OK, you're just bad because you're bad.
00:38:22
Speaker
like um where Whereas as well as we talk to another movie I'll get to where I think ah the villain turn was much stronger, like much, much stronger.
00:38:33
Speaker
Okay. um And okay. So yeah, so that's best Mission Impossible. Like I said, none of these are bad. Right. But between the first Mission Impossible now and my next movie, there's probably like a two point difference, I'd say.
00:38:49
Speaker
Okay. Okay.
00:38:52
Speaker
Um, so the next one... and next one was tough for me because... So the first Mission Impossible and then... Because I'm going between either...
00:39:07
Speaker
um i guess i guess it would be ah between Dead Reckoning and Mission Impossible 3. No, rogue now a Rogue Nation. Rogue Nation. okay I like Mission Impossible 3 more than Rogue Nation.
00:39:22
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Right. Okay. So I'll say...
00:39:28
Speaker
and i just watched Rogue Nation again. And I'm going to say because i think the ending of Rogue Nation, it's a little bit anticlimactic. It's not like a boom-bastic ending like of these movies have.
00:39:44
Speaker
Right. um So I say only because of that... Rogue Nation Dead Reckoning are the same score. But Dead Reckoning will get the edge just because of i think the action is better.
00:40:00
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um
00:40:03
Speaker
But Rogue Nation surprised me because i remember that i remember when the movie came out, I saw like i saw that in theaters. Um, and I didn't know what to expect because I feel like a lot of the trailers didn't really give anything away except for Tom Cruise being on the hanging on the side of a plane.
00:40:23
Speaker
That was like the big stunt for that movie. Um, but, but Rogue Nation probably has one of my top five favorite scenes in the franchise. Um, and that's the scene when they're at the opera and they're trying to, uh, prevent an assassination from happening.
00:40:43
Speaker
And I think the the buildup of intensity in this scene, and then like, and I always like when characters, like they they can outsmart the audience, like where where it's like, know, cause so many times you watch movie, it's like, oh, that's a dumb decision. That's dumb.
00:40:59
Speaker
but But it's always said something when like they do they do something, they're like, oh shit, that's smart. Like that's like the best outcome you could possibly do So like when he only has like one bullet in the chamber and he has it and he has got two assassins,
00:41:13
Speaker
trying to kill the person he's trying to save. He's going back and forth. He's like, oh shit, do kill this one? Do I shoot this one? They're both gonna assassinate him. only have one bullet. Like, who am I gonna shoot? So what he does, he shoots the person he's protecting in the shoulder.
00:41:28
Speaker
So then his whole his whole ah security team swarms him and gets him out of there. You know where that's from, right? What's it from? Speed. Shoot the hostage.
00:41:40
Speaker
Oh yeah. Oh, that movie's got some good lines in it. yeah But that is 100% what he ends up doing. He just she shoots his buddy. Yeah, so I think I like this because like you kind of don't know what he's going to And um obviously the guy who's getting shot doesn't know.
00:41:57
Speaker
you know he's He's just enjoying the opera. No, no, I like this. So yeah, that's ah it's a good point. Yeah, so yes so so so so the the way that scene starts to where it finishes, and it's a great introduction to um Rebecca Ferguson's character.
00:42:12
Speaker
It's literally how they introduce her. And then once... once they establish her and she's throughout the whole movie, like you'd like her, like her more and more. And and ah and I'll go and as far as the team dynamic. Like, I feel like the team dynamic was kind of perfected.
00:42:27
Speaker
with ah the I mean, I'll go into that later, but like the the I feel like the movies here on out um really know how to really know that the team is important or like essential to Ethan. When the team's ah great, the movies, I feel like in Ethan, are great.
00:42:48
Speaker
um But... Yes, but like I said, barely edged out. barely It's just below Dead Reckoning. I think I just like Dead Reckoning more.
00:42:58
Speaker
i think because it might just be paced well in his better action. Rogue Nation has amazing action too. This is what I mean as far as like like the quality drop between the first one Rogue Nation.
00:43:11
Speaker
Because like all these movies from here on out, I like i love. like I could re-watch once a year. it's like the These are that good to me. um so yes it so what's that now so that's is that five it's five i named i i think so so i got three more i got three more yeah the top three more so saying i got the same thing i got yeah the top three i guess okay but but you obviously don't remember rogue nation so we can't we can't talk about it it's four five and six buddy i know the funny thing is i haven't named four four or six yet
00:43:51
Speaker
Right. Well, I mean, and that's the thing, like, that's why it's is so interesting, because we're going have such very different but rankings and stuff, so it's like, it's it's always curious to see, especially, like, you know, what what what listeners would think, too. It's kind of neat, right? So...
00:44:09
Speaker
So, what's your third? My third? ah i guess since you were just talking about it, we're going to say the Dead Reckoning, the first part.
00:44:20
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Yep. Again, like it it is a it's a solid action movie. like it It really is. like I mean... I can't say that I really, like, in the grand scheme of things, I've got really nothing bad to say about it.
00:44:34
Speaker
I just, I think I was just expecting to be dazzled a little bit more and for a little bit less time. yeah Yeah. It's funny, too, because I think I would have, if I didn't re-watch these, like, back-to-back, I probably would have put Rogue Nation ahead of it.
00:44:53
Speaker
But now, like, seeing them back-to-back, like, you know what? i Actually, like Daredevil anymore. Right. so i think I think some of these movies, like what I probably do improve on a rewatch. Yeah, and and like you said, I mean, you know, going back to what I said before, it's like, I know that when I throw in a Mission Impossible movie, like, I'm going to be entertained. Like, I might not think it's, like, the best movie on the planet or anything like that, but it's like, I'll be entertained. I know it's going to be, you know, something fun to watch. And I think that that's, like, hats off to Tom Cruise, like, what I was saying with, like, his passion for cinema, like, that he clearly still has. Like, he does make...
00:45:28
Speaker
a fun movie like and i think that that's what he's he's really going for is like something where he's like you're going to be entertained you know one way or the other so yeah that and that's what he did he loves to entertain the audience yeah okay so number three directing for you yeah number three for me is number three mission impossible three baby okay okay so so this one to me easily has the best villain Right. This is the best villain in the franchise by far. Wholeheartedly, yes.
00:45:57
Speaker
um Philip Seymour Hoffman, he just acts circles around you. it and And that's the thing. is like and I feel like crisis movie yeah in this movie, Tom Cruise has two strong co-leads, essentially. And that's what i was going going by, it right? so Yes.
00:46:15
Speaker
Philip Seymour Hoffman being one of them. Yes, Philip Seymour Hoffman. It's his first time dealing with his love life. Yeah. um Him being married. Also, fun fact, his brother-in-law was is Aaron Paul from Breaking Bad. I think that's so funny. I rewatched that. Holy shit. That's Aaron Paul before Breaking Bad.
00:46:36
Speaker
He's Tom Cruise's brother-in-law. Oh, my God.
00:46:41
Speaker
So wild to me. That's funny. I think the action in this movie was like very well-rounded. Nothing was like too crazy. It felt like more like realistic type of action, especially a Mission Impossible movie.
00:46:56
Speaker
yeah um And I bought into everything with that. i think because I think because of the personal connection you have with him and his wife and having a bit more realistic type of action, i think that kind of...
00:47:11
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and know holds the movie together a little more, a little better. But, um, yeah, it was also first introduction to Simon Pegg, not knowing Simon Pegg was going to staple in this franchise. Yep. Yep.
00:47:23
Speaker
Um, just a small introduction helps helping save the day towards the end. Uh, I remember watching this too in the theater and that was the first time got to see him, like since seeing him in Shaun of the Dead.
00:47:36
Speaker
remember being so giddy and excited that he was in it. And then when it was announced that he was going to be like an actual like field agent in Ghost Protocol, I'm like, oh my God, this is this is the dream. right My man, my man, he's he's getting up he's getting up he's getting that money, getting that paper.
00:47:52
Speaker
ah He's got the Tom Cruise co-sign. Come on. Yeah. Actually, ah that was the that was the first one I saw in theaters myself as well. Yeah, it was the first one I saw in theaters, too. yep Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:05
Speaker
Yeah. And I've seen everyone in theaters since since that. Right. And I'm proud of it. Right. um But yeah, great villain. love Love the personal connection with his wife. um i I don't know if the turn, i guess the good guy and the bad guy turn was the most obvious.
00:48:28
Speaker
I mean, I guess they were trying to really harp that um Lawrence Fishburne. I wish Lawrence Fishburne was in more of the franchise, be honest. you I thought he was really great in this one, too.
00:48:41
Speaker
yeah He always does a good job. yeah and he he fit like the a kind of cia director type very well um but i know the bad guy term was with was billy kudup curt curta and i think maybe it was like 50 50s like you could see that kind you couldn't oh the other thing i want to say wait forget that i think this one has the most gruesome death in the entire franchise hmm And it pains me if you don't remember this because of how, to me, how gruesome it is.
00:49:15
Speaker
i think it's you you'll jog my memory, but I'm actually, I'm drawing a blank for whatever reason. It's the beginning of the movie and yeah it's Kerry Russell's character and like Tom, and I love this connection too, with more the print personal touches with this, how he trained this Mission Impossible age agent, like...
00:49:33
Speaker
into into being in the field and being who she is like so like okay she's trained she's trained by the best she knows her shit like if she got caught something went awry like so someone's you know turned on someone um and so they're trying to break her out she has like that chip in her brain that that's gonna like uh you know explode in her head that's right yeah and they they're trying to prevent it from happening and like they're in the helicopter like getting ready to have the uh um ah what whatever, the defibrillator charged up and they're like waiting for it to charge. Right when they're about to do it, the thing goes off and her eyes just go like that. Her eyes just go sideways.
00:50:15
Speaker
They're like, what the fuck? You're showing them. You're seeing the reactions like, wait, she's dead? What? yeah Oh my god. I'm like, this is the first 10 minutes of the movie. What? like That's a gruesome ass death, especially for for like...
00:50:30
Speaker
you know You have this badass, very attractive character but just got killed off in a horrific way in a Mission Impossible movie. It was it was like worse than like any of the deaths from like the the the first movie. Because I was like, okay, there they therere they're trying to make a statement here. This ain't your daddy's Mission Impossible. yeah 100%. I feel like that Mission Impossible 3 was kind of like the Casino Royale of James Bond. It was the resurgence of the franchise.
00:51:10
Speaker
Even though it did the worst financially.
00:51:14
Speaker
I had no idea. but but But in the movie's defense, it was because of Tom Cruise, not because of the movie. Wait, I was going to say, it was that around the time he was jumping on the couch? Yes, it was. right Yeah, that definitely. It was it was that, how how much he was pushing Scientology.
00:51:31
Speaker
The South Park episode came out. It was a lot of stuff against Tom Cruise at that time. See, it's funny because i had no knowledge of any of that going on at the time because it was like, this is like definitely pre the time that I had like regular internet access and stuff. Like I had no idea.
00:51:49
Speaker
So I just went into this movie, watched this movie and stuff like that. And then it was like, you saw the SouthCloud episode there, right? You saw SouthCloud. I don't even think I saw the South Park episode. Ah, dude, that's one of the best South Park episodes. I've seen clips of him jumping up and down on the couch, and I'm like... ah it's It's interesting because I'm just like...
00:52:08
Speaker
I was like, I mean, yeah, I guess he's a bit old, but I mean, like realistically, he's just excited. Like, like I don't understand why everyone's like fucking like, why is everyone making a big deal? It's not like, like of all the things you can shit on a celebrity for, I was like, he's just happy. so so so So I will say like, that that's easy to poke up fun on, but people were more upset with how he was pushing Scientology.
00:52:32
Speaker
Like he he was on the Today Show. and like in like ah really bad-mouthing another celebrity for like having like so like a good thing to say. And like he was just like pushing, the oh no like, if she was in Scientology, you know you like you would believe this, this, and this. like This shit doesn't work. like She's crazy for like what she believes in.
00:52:51
Speaker
And everyone's just like, what? but So it was more of that than the jumping on the couch is what I mean to say. Oh, okay. cause like i mean i ah It was just easier to make fun of him for that.
00:53:02
Speaker
Yeah, I understand. the like I know he's part of in Scientology. I hadn't heard any of this this stuff either, actually. he isn't do like He learned from his mistake when he did this, believe me.
00:53:13
Speaker
Right, yeah, I mean like well I know that there's I don't know yeah I've like I guess like any religion or whatever I mean I've heard some stuff was like I i just don't really tend to pay too much mind But anyway, we're getting sidetracked. Yeah, stop it We are but I mean that makes sense why the movie obviously hurt itself financially. Yes So yeah, so we're on to number two I think now right number two okay, so I forgot who went. Oh, no, I just went last because you picked Dead Reckoning for number three. I did. All right, so what's your number two?
00:53:48
Speaker
All right, so number two, I'm going to the first Mission Impossible movie. Okay, you love the first. Look at that. It's got a like a special place in my heart, I think probably just from the nostalgia and stuff. Yeah. it's ah Because like I mean, again, I watched it when it came out. and i think he just rewatched it, right? x or something Yeah, and I just rewatched it.
00:54:11
Speaker
And ah so I think that that's just it. It's the nostalgia from the movie. it's like It's insane to me that here we are 30 years later and it's like they're they're technically quote making the last one, right? Or it's playing right now, right? So...
00:54:25
Speaker
i I mean, had you told that to me back in 1996, I'd be like, you know no fucking way. kind ofa right so And it was, like i think was just because it was a different type of action movie. like They were trying something a little bit a little bit more...
00:54:42
Speaker
you know I guess the first movie for me has like a bit more depth to it. It's more like the spy agency has got a mole inside of it. like and it it just It creates a lot of chaos, right?
00:54:55
Speaker
and And that's basically what the movie is. just ah Basically, it's just chaos inside a spy agency. And it's like... it It was a neat plot. Like, it was it was a cool cast. Like, you know, Jon Voight and stuff back in the day. Like, I mean, he was... ah like he he was but tough He was pretty top shit in the 90s and stuff, right? So... ah Like, it was just... I don't know. I just thought it was like a really well-done movie. And like...
00:55:20
Speaker
Even though Tom Cruise was in it, i never really felt, especially at that time, that it was like a Tom Cruise movie. Like, it it didn't really, because like there was such a strong supporting cast to go along with it.
00:55:32
Speaker
and ah And I think that, again, like I think it benefited from it. like And it's not to put, it's just because he's got... I think just more equal charisma, talent kind of, you know, i guess doing the back and forth with them on it and stuff. So it's like, an yeah, I just, all in all, like, I just preferred that movie for that.
00:55:52
Speaker
You know, and I think that they did what they could with what they had at the time, right? So it's not a very over-the-top movie for the most part. It's very artsy too.
00:56:04
Speaker
Yeah. but The the the ah director, he's a lot of, what's it called? ah Dutch angles. they like They're looking below the actor. Right. right Right.
00:56:17
Speaker
ah Yeah, and like it just, ah yeah, did it was just it was like it was a cool idea for its time. like And i I think that, yeah, it's probably just because of nostalgia for me of of that that time period and stuff. but yeah yeah Yeah, for me, like I just feel different be because I think I just like the teams more in the other movies. like they They stand out more.
00:56:37
Speaker
Right. I think for me, I think i they're more fun but there's more character to them. Yeah, yeah. But, ah yeah. There you go. I mean, like I said, none of these movies are bad.
00:56:50
Speaker
like them all. yeah So what's ah what's number two for you? Number two for me is Fallout, so which is number six. Right. um Fallout, to me, has the best story of all the Mission Impossibles.
00:57:05
Speaker
um It has the best good guy turned villain, a.k.a. Henry Cavill. yeah It's not just because he cocks his... I mean, the movie is memorable for that alone. I love that. I rewatched that last week and that scene just jacks me up every time he does. of Oh my God. That's so badass.
00:57:27
Speaker
I was watching with a buddy of mine and like it was at the exact same time. Like we both like there was like It was kind of a mixture of, I'm disgusted, but I'm excited at the same time. Well, cause not many actors could pull that off.
00:57:44
Speaker
he put He pulls it off. Like, it makes it feel like, oh shit, like, yeah, he's he's charged up now. He's made a pack of fun. um Yeah, yeah. So anyway, yeah, so I think this one had is like, i between this one and my number one, it's very close.
00:58:03
Speaker
Very close. And I'll go while the other one the other one gets the edge. But i think I think all the action overall is very good. um some Some things I didn't see coming where I thought I can predict most of these Mission Impossible movies pretty well. It's just pretty obvious as far as like you know who's turned villain and how it's supposed to end.
00:58:27
Speaker
um i the There was one part that had me guess. I mean i kind of knew like Henry Cavill was going to turn, but and I kept waiting for it to happen. It didn't happen when I expected it to happen.
00:58:39
Speaker
Right. um And then kind of like how they made him more, they turned him more into the big bad, where was like the epic battle between him and Tom Cruise.
00:58:51
Speaker
And like that scene when they're flying the helicopters against each other. And you know where that was filmed? Which which i feel like we should have a special connection with this. Tell me.
00:59:03
Speaker
It was in New Zealand. and milford said they they film They filmed a lot of Milford Sounds. Right. And Queenstown. Okay. That makes sense. so and So they film like all like the or most of the helicopter scenes in Milford Sound. So you see like the helicopters like going through the mountains and they end up having like their final battle, but their fist fight.
00:59:26
Speaker
um on top of one ah i on top of those mountains in Milford Sounds. and like They know they're there. like like The movie doesn't tell there. think the movie says they're somewhere else, but like because I was there, like I know where that is.
00:59:40
Speaker
i know exactly where that is. um and i think I think because that too, I think this movie has a special connection with me because like I at some of the... Dead Reckoning 2 in a way, but I think this one more so Just because I feel like those i those spots aren't... Not everybody goes to New Zealand. like Most people go to Europe over New Zealand, you know?
01:00:08
Speaker
It's pretty far to go New Zealand. It is, yeah. yeah so i think's I like that more, but getting personal connects but personal connections aside, i thought I thought the entire team was great. I liked how... um one thing One thing I wish they they could have brought in, but guess because Henry Cavill, he's like he's like the big care like actor to get in there.
01:00:30
Speaker
yeah This is the movie that they got rid of Jeremy Renner. Jimmy Redder was no more in this. I like Jimmy Redder in this franchise. Right. um but the But Rebecca Ferguson, such a badass in this.
01:00:48
Speaker
um And the connection between her and Tom was was the strongest, I feel like, in this movie. I really felt for them. I did. And... but yeah.
01:01:01
Speaker
So yeah, it's my number two. it's um it's not It's a movie I could probably rewatch just as much as the first one. Alrighty. But yeah.
01:01:11
Speaker
Wait, do you want me to number one first? I feel like I'm on a roll. If you prefer to, yeah, Gaberman. Yeah, I'll go first because I'll be talking about Final Reckoning last. um Sounds good. Okay. Yeah, so number one for me is Ghost Protocol.
01:01:24
Speaker
The fourth one. the fourth And this one, surprisingly, was the live-action debut debut ah of the directorial debut of Brad Bird. you know what Brad Bird directed?
01:01:38
Speaker
I do not. He directed three classic animated movies. He directed The Iron Giant, ah The Incredibles, and Ratatouille. Okay.
01:01:49
Speaker
And then after Ratatouille... He makes Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol and knocks it out of the fucking park. Oh my god. Makes sense. So Ghost Protocol has my favorite scene in the franchise.
01:02:04
Speaker
And that's when he scales the building with those Spider-Man hands. Yeah. um I think that scene, because it's not just that scene, I like everything surrounding that scene as to like why they need to do it and to like what the stakes are like after they do it.
01:02:23
Speaker
um And, you know, it was a perfect, they blended the comedy and the action, I thought the best in this movie. Like, it was not only through and throughout, but I was laughing, like, every few minutes because there was some joke that fit the scene pretty well, but not, like, too much. It wasn't, like, too heavy-handed with the humor, but, like, it just balanced itself with with the kind of action they were giving us.
01:02:46
Speaker
Um... And this was the introduction of Simon Pegg on the main crew. Introduction to Jimmy Renner on the crew. ah love Paula Patton, who's the main badass girl on the crew.
01:02:58
Speaker
was a shame she never came back because she felt the team well. except so So like i said, this is the best team. Everyone was so distinct from one another. Everyone brought a little sun to the table. um And I like some of the pressco like personal connection that Jimmy Renner and Tom Cruise's characters had. Hey, hey James, James, James.
01:03:14
Speaker
Yeah. You son of a bitch. I'm in. I'm in, yeah! I gotta say, man, if you had to rewatch one of these movies, I say rewatch this I might take you up on that. I might actually rewatch them all just having rewatched the first one.
01:03:30
Speaker
yeah i just i might do the second, third, and and so on and so forth. and Yeah, you if you if if you watch it, you'll notice that every scene brings a good amount of comedy to each action scene where I feel like it balances very well.
01:03:45
Speaker
And I think a lot to do is because Simon Pegg. I feel like Simon Pegg was... Like the chef kiss chef kiss for the franchise. Right. um Because he's ah he's just a ah good funny gadget guy.
01:03:58
Speaker
But he's also in the field. Yep.
01:04:03
Speaker
Yep. and then But yeah ah yeah, I can keep gushing about this movie, but I know i know we're we're going we're going at this T-log. But anyway. little bit, yeah, I guess. Number one for you.
01:04:16
Speaker
Number one for me, I mean, i guess I guess at this point, there's only one movie left. And that is, for me, Mission Impossible 3. the Yeah, I love this choice for you.
01:04:28
Speaker
And ah honestly, I mean like thinking about it it because I feel like it takes um Tom Cruise's best parts in that like he actually does good kind of drama, even romantic type movies when he does them.
01:04:43
Speaker
And he's got action stuff and I just I feel like it's the one that blends it the most perfectly is in this movie. And so I just think it's the one that, yeah, it's just the most compelling to me. And like I said, the bad guy, like it's just, yeah. I mean, we talked about it already, so won't expand on that.
01:05:03
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it was a long time. It was a while. When this came out before 4, I kept telling everyone, like, this is better than the first two. This is easily better than the first two. And people were like, well, you're crazy. The first one, but I'm like,
01:05:16
Speaker
This one, I actually care about what's happening. It's gripping from the very start, too. Yes. it just Yeah, it's a great it's a great opener. The way they open the movie oh with the countdown, which which is showing you like how scary Philip Seymour Hawkman's character is.
01:05:34
Speaker
Yeah, and that's just it. Like, typically, I don't like it when movies do that. right Where it's a flash forward? Yes, exactly. I think it's a lazy writing, but in that movie, and especially at that time, it worked. Like, I feel like it wasn't really as overdone as it is these days, but still, like it worked very well. Like, it was, yeah.
01:05:53
Speaker
Just, yeah, I think that that's my recommendation for anyone of the franchise. I would say if you're only going watch one movie, make it the third one. And I say watch four. might as well just watch three and four back to back. There you go. There you go, baby.
01:06:07
Speaker
but That's it. Have yourself a good evening. yeah it yeah That's an action-packed evening. That is.
01:06:16
Speaker
That's a ranking. So I guess I need talk about Final Reckoning real quick. All right. Let's hear it. So this movie's longer than Dead Reckoning.
01:06:28
Speaker
But you feel the length bad. Okay. How long is it? i think it's two hours and 47 minutes. Okay. So not much longer. But we still longer.
01:06:39
Speaker
Yes. Still longer. But like I said, it feels on because the first hour, there is little to no action. The first hour. And just think about all the movies we've been talking about.
01:06:53
Speaker
They have good action set pieces well within that first hour to keep you engaged. Am I right? Well, yeah. I mean, typically an action movie needs that. I mean... Yes! you can so If you're sci-fi, it's different. I mean, you might have some more plot or something, but, like, yeah action is just action.
01:07:14
Speaker
Yeah. so So the first actor was Dragon for me, and there was one scene that pissed me off so much. So, like, you know you have you have how Grace is in the forefront now.
01:07:26
Speaker
um Hayley Atwell's character. and her Her and Tom Cruise are together. they They get captured. And then they're they're trying to... um they're telling ah Gabriel's telling Tom Cruise, like, hey, you know, like if you don't do this for me, I'm going to kill the girl. Right.
01:07:50
Speaker
And Tom's like, oh, yeah, well, I'm going pretend I'm dead. He fakes eating eating eating a cyanide capsule. Right. and Everyone thinks he's dead but really he's okay. um so he So then he gets he gets to attack everybody.
01:08:03
Speaker
But this is the problem. They don't show him like killing anyone. You just see Hayley Atwell's reaction to it. Isn't that anything special?
01:08:15
Speaker
No like real shocker? Like, oh my god, oh, like just watching her. at washington You're seeing her see Tom Cruise killing guys and we don't get to see it. I'm like, this is the last Mission Impossible movie.
01:08:28
Speaker
And you don't want us to see like the action that Tom Cruise is doing to get rid of these guys.
01:08:36
Speaker
Like, what are you doing?
01:08:40
Speaker
this that for question This is the only action you have in this first hour of the movie. You're not showing the action that's in it. Hmm.
01:08:48
Speaker
Is there like, that is it, is it suspense fully built? Is there is there anything to to fill the void to some degree or? Okay. There is something that happens in the, within that first hour that is, that is, that is good.
01:09:02
Speaker
Um, but I kind of don't want to say that one. Cause like I can go into other spoilers with this, but this up with Sigavet now, I'm like, i don't want to go into these spoilers. Okay. Only because, you know, I feel like i don't want to say it.
01:09:17
Speaker
um Okay. I guess I have a question. i have a question. Okay, yeah. like i Sorry to interrupt, but it's just like, would you, because I'm curious how you feel about this, is like not having seen this movie and it still being in theaters as far as the last time I checked, would you recommend i go see it in theaters or just wait for it like on Netflix?
01:09:38
Speaker
So the conflicting thing is when we get When we get out of that first hour, the next hour to 45 minutes are great. They're so good.
01:09:50
Speaker
They're so good. But that hour, man, it just it brings it down so much. You know what the problem is, too? like they They show a lot of clips from the old movies, and they're trying to tie everything together.
01:10:04
Speaker
like do I can tell you this. they They tie the third movie with this one.
01:10:12
Speaker
Cause they say the rabbit's foot is the AI from the third movie. Okay. Is that so? Dude, that made me mad. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? You're just shoe hoarding this in like it's nothing?
01:10:25
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, because that's just it. I get it. like You want to make it, but it's like that's just it. You don't have to do that. You don't have to do this. And then then like and then like the one guy who is... um the The one FBI guy with the hair, at the white guy from Dead Reckoning. Yeah.
01:10:45
Speaker
He's Jon Voight's son. Okay. And that's why he has this vendetta against Tom Cruise. Oh. Again, it goes nowhere.
01:10:57
Speaker
ah Well, and that's just it. It's just thrown in the movie. Yeah. The movie's two hours and 47 minutes. And I'm just like, wow, there's so much they could have cut. Maybe what I'll do. That makes me mad too. When you know what could be cut in this movie to make it better.
01:11:12
Speaker
Maybe what I'm going to do is I'm going to go into this movie in the movie theater, maybe. But I'm going to go in in like about 45 minutes in. Yeah. You know what?
01:11:24
Speaker
I can probably figure out what time you should go in. It should it definitely at least a half hour. could you If you do that for me, I think I'm actually... This will be the first time i like go into a movie theater, but like I intentionally miss part of the movie. yeah because Because there is one scene you have to see.
01:11:43
Speaker
It is really good. But like it's nothing action-wise or anything. um But it is... i mean, I guess it's a tiny bit. but like But it is essential for the rest of the movie. ah You have to see this.
01:11:55
Speaker
Right. I just think there's scenes that could have been cut before it and scenes have been cut after it where you could have tied everything together. nice here's a i heard the guy on the radio, the DJ my little hometown here, he was saying that Tom Cruise jumped with a parachute on fire not once, but 16 times.
01:12:16
Speaker
Yeah. Is that is that true? Yeah, I think And ah in that he got like he's like, it's obviously like a a world record now or something like that. Like, you know what? Like, hats off like you're jumping out of a plane. Insane. Parachute on fire.
01:12:30
Speaker
ah Yeah, he but he he he just tops himself like as far as like a dangerous stunt in every movie. So, I want to get to that though. let me get Let me get to it.
01:12:41
Speaker
No, please do. yeah So, when we get past that first hour, like I said, that the the next hour and 45 minutes are very well done.
Submarine Action Scene in 'Dead Reckoning'
01:12:49
Speaker
um The action scene when he's under, so you know like in Dead Reckoning they were saying how the entity was, or like was in the submarine that blew up in the beginning of the movie?
01:12:59
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they they go to it in this movie. And the submarine crew they introduce Awesome. Love the actors they have in that scene are great. They all feel like characters.
01:13:11
Speaker
they There's a comic relief in it and the way they build up into that submarine scene. It's great. Like you're on the edge of your seat the whole time. um And it was a good chunk of the of the the movie, it was probably like 30 minutes I'd say, between like him going in the water and being on the submarine to actually doing the the action set piece.
01:13:35
Speaker
But it was so well done and like you know, you just it so it feels so real. I mean especially watching on the big screen and everything, like you feel like you're the submarine and you don't know if he's make it out, you're like, oh my god, like what's what the hell? i'm like Okay. i because Because sometimes, like, when you're watching, it's like, I know he makes it up, but, like, I don't know how. Like, how the fuck can you get out of this?
01:13:55
Speaker
ah Right. so it's It's always great when Mission Impossible like, makes you
Is This the Last Mission Impossible Movie?
01:14:00
Speaker
think that. Because when I was watching it, I'm like, how the fuck is he going to get of this? I mean, that is true, right? Yeah. That's why it's impossible. Although it's the last one, though. I mean, like, if... Yeah, that's the thing.
01:14:10
Speaker
Yeah. So, and because, like, you know, especially with the last James Bond, they killed killed off... Spoiler, they kill off James Bond. Yeah, except it's not going the last James Bond, but... The last Daniel Craig James Bond.
01:14:21
Speaker
Like, this could be the last Tom Cruise Mission imp Impossible. It could be. um But I'll go to my thoughts about that. But anyway, so you did that set piece.
01:14:32
Speaker
Then it builds up to the end, which I thought it got there. It was ah was pretty smooth, and it was paced well to get to the ending. but The thing we talked about Dead Reckoning, the bad guy, he kind of sucks. He's even worse than this one.
01:14:47
Speaker
He's literally in the beginning of the movie and he's at the end of the movie. like Two hours of the movie, he's not even there. You kind of forget about him. alright um And then when he comes back, he's this maniacal villain. He's doing his maniacal laughing. and Tom Cruise, you can't get me. you know I'm going blow up the world. yeah ah You know, all that.
01:15:08
Speaker
And then, you know, so Tom Cruise chases him on a biplane. And this is what the movie's really heavily been advertised. And I get why.
01:15:20
Speaker
It's so good. This is definitely top action scenes that he's done in this franchise. It's wild. it's so It's so cool how they do this. And like you're knowing that like like this looks real, and you know it's like Tom Cruise doing this. It just makes it even like that much better.
01:15:38
Speaker
Right. And the stakes are high, too. like the like The stakes are high in
Movie Ending and Villain Critique
01:15:42
Speaker
this scene. and um I mean, you don't feel any personal connection between this guy and the villain. Even if they said there was a personal connection, like, you don't care. You just want this guy to die.
01:15:50
Speaker
Like, all right, he's a villain, wants to blow up the world, whatever. yeah But man, the way Tom Cruise puts himself on the line, the scene is wild. It's crazy. and And then like the actual ending, ending of the movie was also very well done.
01:16:04
Speaker
They do something that ties into the beginning of the movie that I really liked. um They even brought a character from the first Mission Impossible that you will not expect. You probably will not be able to guess who they freak
01:16:19
Speaker
So it actually makes it exciting for you since you just watch it if you're watching this. You're probably guessing like, wait, what kind of Mission Impossible did you bring back? And then like in like, at first you're like, wait, what? This is kind of it's kind of silly.
01:16:32
Speaker
But then like, there are actual characters in the movie and then like, you're like, okay, this is actually really cool. Like I said, like this part of the movie, like it flowed so much better. And then I was enjoying it a lot more.
01:16:45
Speaker
yeah It's just that first hour, man. The first album really brings it down. And then it's so much exposition and like things you already know. And you have these new actors talking to talk actors from other movies that just It's like, we understand. Just like get to Tom Cruise like and like get to his mission. like Not just talking about previous missions or like how long this mission is going to be. Just this just do and don't tell. you know Or show and don't tell.
01:17:11
Speaker
Just that. No, I understand, man. It it kind of reminds me of when we watched that the Gladiator remake. yep And it's like they kept alluding to the first movie. They're just like, you remember that cool movie we made, bro?
01:17:23
Speaker
It's like, yeah, bro, let's talk about this some more. no, dude, dude, dude, this one's worse with that. It's worse. It is. But, but, like, there's things that I like better Glowdhury 2, obviously, because, like, so so these actions seem like the best I've ever seen.
01:17:37
Speaker
Easily. It's like, it's so good. I'm like, I can't believe, like, they pulled some of this stuff off.
01:17:46
Speaker
But that's why it's conflicting. So like even like even trying to recommend it to you because I'm like, yeah, seeing these scenes on the scene, these scenes on the big screen were incredible to to witness.
01:17:57
Speaker
But I'm like, is it worth the other... like To get through that first hour? But that's what i'm saying. like I'm going to go 45 minutes in and like I'll still get like two hours of movie. I won't even feel like I got ripped off.
01:18:09
Speaker
That's true. i mean see but that's the name Because like the action-wise, it's just these two big scenes. Granted, these scenes are like... they probably total like between 30 to 40 minutes, or maybe even more than that.
01:18:24
Speaker
But like the way they build up to those scenes, I think is it's it's really good.
01:18:30
Speaker
So no, that that'll be great, man. Stakes have never been higher. Yeah. And i I can just get there late, take my time, get some popcorn, not worry. Don't watch any ads, no trailers. That's true. Yeah. Like just gonna dive
Future of the Mission Impossible Franchise
01:18:44
Speaker
right in. maybe Maybe Tom Cruise knew what he was doing. He's just like, he's like, he said, people just show up when they want. It's all good.
01:18:55
Speaker
But yeah, it's, uh, but as far as like, if I think that they're going to contain the franchise. um And I think they will.
01:19:10
Speaker
But I don't think they will for like, maybe close to, maybe like seven to 10 years. yeah He's okay. He's going to be like in his seventies, man. like But no, no. Yeah, I know. But like, I don't think he's going to be the star. he Like he'll be in it. He'll be the new Kittredge or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. That's what think.
01:19:29
Speaker
Or he'll be president. I actually... i was blown away because when I re-watched the first movie, it's like it's the same actor that's been playing Kittredge the whole time, right? Yes.
01:19:41
Speaker
Yeah, like that's 30 years of like same thing. like I like his character a lot. I He's good. now he's He's a good actor, too, because... i mean like That is a tough role to play when you're young.
01:19:57
Speaker
You know what I mean? And and he was like he's got to be around the same age as Tom Cruise. Maybe he's a bit older, but not by much. Right. like yeah I would say he's probably upper sixty s maybe.
01:20:10
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. like he might He might be 10 years older. I don't even think he is that much. And it's like, to play a role like that, because it was... ah Yeah, the the head of the... Because I was watching him, i was just like... Because when I saw... the act because i I don't remember the first one, right? And I was just like, I was watching him. I was just like, man, he must have been young in the first one. that's Yeah, he looks older than is his yeah.
01:20:33
Speaker
It's funny because I feel like he looks, in the first movie, he looks older than he actually is. In this movie, I'd say he almost seems a bit younger than than he actually is because and think he's he's aged better.
01:20:46
Speaker
ah yeah He grew into his age or something. Yeah, he's aged well. Good for him. Good for you, Kittreds. yeah so ah But yeah, anyways, those are my observations.
01:20:59
Speaker
Yeah. And that's
Podcast Season Conclusion
01:21:01
Speaker
my review. So like I say, mean, see it if you do what you do is like into the theater. Like if the showtimes at 630, get in there at 730.
01:21:13
Speaker
yeah i'd say Yeah, I think that's good. Okay. cause it Because I think you still see like a pivotal scene. Right. And then, you know, you won't feel like it's dragging and just like showing so many clips of the older movies.
01:21:26
Speaker
Oh my God. I think they show one scene from the first movie three times.
01:21:32
Speaker
Jesus. I think that everyone in the movie theater will be mad at me when they see when I sit down.
01:21:42
Speaker
People would be like, you missed nothing. yeah so Then I'll be like, see, you should listen to Sleepy Games Podcast. Yeah, exactly. Boom. That's a good way to end it. Way to go.
01:21:57
Speaker
Well, cheers to that, buddy. Yeah, so that's our finale. We'll probably be back um but late summer. mit i would say august
01:22:11
Speaker
but Maybe. We might be do the summer special or something like that is what you mean? or Yeah, yeah. We'll probably summer special. Yeah. Because I know people will be wanting to hear our thoughts for Superman. So we'll definitely give ourselves some time to for both of us to see it.
01:22:26
Speaker
We'll probably see some other movies over the summer and probably give you something ah i say sometime in August.
01:22:34
Speaker
Sounds good. Sounds good. Looking forward to it. Well, that does it for us. It was always a pleasure. was a pleasure to get through another season with you, Sleepy John. No, absolutely, buddy.
01:22:45
Speaker
And I can't wait for the next one. but Cheers to that, buddy. All right. Cheers.
01:23:12
Speaker
you