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The Comedy of Val Kilmer
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Continuing our exploration of Val Kilmer's career from last week, this episode focuses on some of Val's later work, 2010's 'MacGruber' and 2005's 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.'
The show will be taking a break for the next several weeks as James explores Japan!
Lots of great stuff planned for May/June before we take our usual summer break.
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts' Banter
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You're listening to the Sleepy Games Podcast.
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Speaker
Well, hello there once again. Thank you for joining us. This is Sleepy John. that dot that This is the Sleepy Games Podcast.
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but I am your tongue-tied host, Sleepy John. With me is the ever exhilarating, always on point, James Games. Yo, yo, yo, we back, baby.
Val Kilmer Focus: Introduction and Overview
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This will be our second episode, I guess, about to Val the Iceman Kilmer. Very well-deserved second episode for him. I think so, too. It's actually kind of kind of neat, you know watching movies that I had no idea he had done and stuff, too, so...
00:01:03
Speaker
Yeah, I'm looking forward to to getting into that. You said you had, before we get kind of get into, i guess, our regular scheduled stuff, you said you had a little couple of tidbits about Val you wanted to share? Yeah, because I know we talked about a number of his films last week, a lot of our favorites that he's done, and I kind of wanted to learn a lot of some of the behind the scenes, what he was going through, um how he got casted, and just though Just things about what what was kind of like what was going going on in his life during some of these projects.
Val Kilmer's Early Career and Documentary Discussion
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And so so i watched um I watched a little bit of his his documentary, Vow, on um on Amazon. ah that but does a really good job of showcasing a lot of his life. He did a lot of his own videotaping when he was doing behind the scenes. like He was kind of just a like a goofball on set, like like videotaping all the actors and trying to get certain reactions out of them. He seemed like a really happy-go-lucky guy when he was on set, at least in his early career.
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um Things started to take a turn later down the road, and and I'll go into that.
'Top Secret' and Anecdotes
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But... so wait So, you know, we watched Top Secret last week. Yeah. And we both gave us the ah the certified Sleepy Games classic.
00:02:25
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Yes, we did, yes. the but Yeah, so, and I've been hyping out that movie to a lot of people within the last week, so I'm trying to get ah more people to watch it, because it needs to be watched, I feel.
00:02:37
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Very underrated. I agree, yeah, for sure. So, I learned from that movie, ah he actually he learned to play the guitar for four months... And then right when he was about to start shooting, the ah the producer's director said, no, we actually don't want to play guitar. We just want you to mime it because you you play too well. We don't want you to look too good. So he literally spent four months practicing guitar for nothing.
00:03:04
Speaker
that's ah That's pretty wild, especially like, it's one thing if he wasn't getting it, but I mean, if they're just like, you you're looking too good for this movie? and Yeah, yeah. you say he's looking He played too much like Elvis Presley, like the way he was actually playing guitar. He's like, no, i don't we don't actually want you to play it because you're playing too good. We want you to just mime it so we can exaggerate we can exaggerate you more.
00:03:26
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because you kind of free up in a way when you're actually not playing the same when you really are playing right so i thought that was very interesting uh and and funny how he's it like you know that there was never like a role he yeah he got to do where he played a guitar i mean like so when he did the doors you know he's just the singer he's not even playing in his show right he really didn't use guitars du that either It's not even a very long time to be ah to be learning to play the guitar, too. the He's obviously like one of those multi-talented ah like people that just picks up things quickly, it seems. yes
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Yes, very very much so.
Transition from 'Top Secret' to 'Top Gun'
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in when When there's a role, i like he very much obsesses over it right until he can't perfect it. um and And then, so, moving from top secret, going from top secret to Top Gun.
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i just love he has two tops. Like, not back-to-back. think he did a movie before that, I felt like it was just very close in sequence. Right.
Val Kilmer's On-Set Antics and Role Preparations
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And i so I learned that on Top Gun that like like hit him and Tom Cruise, you know, are buddy buddies and everything. But for the role, they actually like pretend like they hate each other on set. Like they're always split up.
00:04:36
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Like they're hanging like he would always hang around with his crew. um you know, that that you see in the movie, he's always he's only hanging around like those actors when he's off, when he they're not filming and Tom Cruise is with his guys.
00:04:48
Speaker
So it really built up the robbery a lot more when they're actually filming because it felt more real, more authentic. So I thought it was very cool they did that. And like i said, he's he's doing all the videotaping behind the scenes and getting all the other actors being all goofy.
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So I thought that was cool too. um And then after Top Gun, he wanted to, because he he kind of felt like he was doing like kind of fluff movies i always he's not really ah showing his acting range. Right.
00:05:17
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And his so in that there was a movie coming out that he really wanted to be in um by by Stanley Kubrick, ah and that's Full Metal Jacket.
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And he auditioned so many, he did multiple audition tapes, like hours and hours of like auditioning to get to like, so he can be a part of this movie. And he even flew 6,000 miles.
00:05:41
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I forget my where exactly he went. um But he, to to deliver his auditions in person to
The Doors: Immersive Role and Personal Impact
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Stanley Kubrick. Right. Now whenever he's like, this guy's trying too hard, I don't want him on the movie. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, it must be, I don't know. Or orie I mean, I guess if you already have somebody in mind, right? Like it's it's hard to shake that sometimes, suppose. Right, yeah.
00:06:07
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i'm sure I'm sure. Maybe maybe he was too big after Top Gun too, like... That could be, because it definitely was was more no-name, or lesser-known actors.
00:06:19
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At the time, for sure. At the time, yeah. Yeah, there's there's certainly a couple. ah i i Vincent D'Onofrio or whatever, he's obviously... yeah everyone knows him now. Yeah, exactly. so um But yeah, yeah that that might have had something to do with it, maybe.
00:06:35
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um And then, so from there, so he he really wanted to do a role that he could be proud of. So then after that, he he found out about the role by Jim Morrison for The Doors and he would study his videos over and over. He would only play The Doors music at his house. right And it drove his wife crazy because he was really studying this character for like a year before.
00:06:59
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I mean, like, I guess from like when he started practicing to filming It was like a year in total. So like every time he comes home, he's just playing music and the wife is just going, oh God, can we listen to anything else but the doors, you know? like That makes sense. Yeah.
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So I thought it was crazy. have I mean, and watched like, I watched more of actual Jim Morrison's performances and it's uncanny, like how well he captured just his movements, his voice, every little thing.
00:07:29
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um He just does like exactly how Jim would do it. And yeah, you can tell you can tell that he just, he did everything he could to make sure that this role he could be proud part of this role.
Iconic Roles: 'Tombstone' and Batman
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um So kudos to Val for doing all that, but sorry you drove your wife crazy. the So, and then then after that, he went to Tombstone and i thought it was cool. Like he, like before he he passed, like a few years ago, he went to like, think an area around where Tombstone really was. And they kind of have like a reenactment or like they kind of build the the sets of it or the the buildings of it.
00:08:10
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right and they have like a a viewing party and he was he was there like doing autographs everything and watching the movie with all the fans and because everyone's saying that how that's like their favorite role of his and how he's it's one of the best performances i've ever seen and right um so i thought i thought it was cool they did that um and then from there it showed behind the scenes of him getting the batman role And thought was cool that when he was in second grade, he actually went on the set of the backman Batman TV show, the with Adam West.
00:08:43
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Right. Yeah. He said it was always a dream of his to always to play Batman. But then when he actually played him, he hated it because he hated the suit. The suit, he said he he could he could barely move, he could barely hear, barely hear it could barely breathe.
00:09:01
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well he did that
Val Kilmer's Career Challenges: From 'Heat' to 'The Island of Dr. Moreau'
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I can see that, actually. like so So he said he he basically felt like a soap opera actor doing that, where he just had to stay in one spot and then just listen and say your lines. Especially especially when he was working... or working ah um an opposite to jim carrey which is like the larger the life performance of that movie where he he really gets to show off his range and do like whatever he can to make it to express that character so i feel like in a way he's like god Even Tommy Lee Jones in that movie, kind of went he went pretty ah pretty out there as well. He was trying to match Jim Carrey.
00:09:44
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yeah that's why Yeah, and they and they if you've ever watched, the because some sometimes Tommy Lee Jones can kind of play some unhinged people. ah The first Under Siege movie, I know ever seen that one. yeah i know I know that's with your boy though.
00:09:59
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Steven Seagull? Yeah. yeah I don't know that he's my favorite. No, he's nobody's boy. Nobody likes him. But I did like Tommy Lee Jones' performance in that movie ah because he he definitely plays against against type from from things that I've seen him in. dick He's a villain in that one, isn't he?
00:10:18
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He is, yeah and ah and he plays kind of a Two-Face-esque, like, he's got that type of energy, yeah and I can see why they casted him for that role when he had done stuff like that. pretty interesting. But, obviously, we're not talking about him today, so... I'm talking about Val.
00:10:35
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I'm talking about Val, baby. Yeah. And the last thing I had on here, because i kept it seemed like the shift... As far as the the roles he was getting, like... thought it was cool that when he did Batman, right when he finished shooting that, he went to to film Heat, and he said that it felt like an indie film compared to doing Batman because it was such a large production, and then going to Heat, it felt like...
00:10:58
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Oh wow, this is such a small scale. yeah That movie is so huge. ah yeah Looking back at it. oh yeah that's a Yeah, there's no comparison basically. yeah I mean, I think we talked about it before. I mean i don't think Batman Forever...
00:11:13
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Deserves the hate yeah, I think it's over hated I think yeah, it is I mean it's actually it's it's honestly not it's it's really not a bad a bad ah Batman later. I mean there's been different ah Guess different iterations of the character and sometimes it's a little bit more serious sometimes a little more more fun. That's definitely a more fun movie, right?
00:11:33
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um Yeah, so But the the last thing was ah where where I think his career took a downturn was when he did this film called the, I think it was the Dr. Moreau or the Island of Dr. Moreau, where he played alongside Marlon Brando.
00:11:51
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Right. I never saw that movie, but I do remember it. But apparently it was it was production hell. Cause I think the director that originally attached um quit like a week into it. And then got another director. Then Marlon marlon Brando was hard to work with.
00:12:09
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Like he didn't agree with anything. And then Val was getting irritated and he's like getting in with the director and there's so much arguments back and forth, back and forth. So it it was just a doomed production from the start.
00:12:22
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And then i on top of all that while they're filming it, Val got divorce papers. his wife to make that if it couldn't get any worse yeah and then it just seemed from there like like his career just seemed like it was never the same like he was never that like the big um draw uh at the at the box office anymore because it could be because that film flopping so hard Well, especially back then, it's like, if you had one or two bad movies, like, that really could kill kill your career. Yeah. I feel like these days we're more forgiving of it.
00:12:56
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yeah Yeah. Yeah, we were. quicker. But yeah, back then, that was like... That could it. The short attention spans. I think that probably has more to do with it. Yeah. Yeah, back then, like, I'd say that, yeah, you had one or two flops, especially if you're a big name, you're supposed to be a big name draw.
00:13:11
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So studios invested a lot of money hoping, and then all of a sudden it's like, didn't didn't work out. So that that is too bad. I mean, have you seen that? You haven't seen that
Listener Feedback and Host's Musical Aspirations
00:13:21
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movie, have you? I have i have no plans to see it.
00:13:24
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Right. yeah feel like just learning about the production of It's a movie of itself. Like, i the behind the scenes would be a fun movie, I feel like. I think it's a shame, too, sometimes when you get especially talented actors like that. Yeah.
00:13:37
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Because that would have been more one of Marlon Brando's last movies, too. Right. and And, you know, for for Val, that's probably an actor he's he's looked up to ever since he's done acting. Yeah, I would say so. So, yeah, it's a, yeah, don't know.
00:13:52
Speaker
Hmm. But yeah, ah those are those are all the little tidbits I got ah for for Val's career as far as when he started to, but I guess his...
00:14:03
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his is his top days in the acting world. um But yeah, so so so I guess from there we we we we can go to talking about what we watched and then go back into the films we watched of Val. We will be getting back to Val shortly, but first, ah did you did you have something you wanted to dive into?
00:14:26
Speaker
You talking about the song? Yeah, no, we can talk about that. let's talk about that. Sure, let's get the feedback on that. I'm on a roll, baby. Right. Lay it on me, buddy. It's not much. Wait, do I get a chance to defect? So, so so not not knowing that this was coming on the podcast, on our channel.
00:14:49
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Right. my one one of our listeners messageed messaged me and is is is it it came on on his autoplay.
00:14:59
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So he didn't even choose it. It just came up. And then his first reaction was, what the fuck is this? wouldn't have thought that it would... his first reaction was what the fuck is the
00:15:16
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but i wouldn't have thought that it would See, I would have thought it would be exclusively in like the podcast area. I don't know why that would autoplay on different list. It might be because it's short.
00:15:29
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Maybe because it means it's only it's only like what a ah few minutes. yeah popped up and It's one of your recommended. it's It's a recommended song now for people. If you love Kenny Lamar, you'll love this.
00:15:44
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if you love ken if you love ken lamar you love this Oh yeah, this is right up there.
00:15:55
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Because he was asking, he's like it's like, wait, so you guys are putting out diss tracks now? Like, where did this come from? And then I told him all about how you know, it was Kendrick that inspired us for the Cerebral, and it's what gave you, Sleepy John, the the idea for it.
00:16:11
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I just thought it was so funny to me. He just, I love when listener messaged me out of the blue and just, I have to know what's going on with this. Like, what the hell? What is going on? the hell? It sounds like ah sounds like he didn't really like kids.
00:16:29
Speaker
yeah he is He said he could use some fine-tuning, but but but you know it was entertaining nonetheless. but He listened to it all way all the way through. that's good.
00:16:41
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I mean, that that is really what I was striving for, I suppose, is to be, I guess, at least entertaining for three and a half or four minutes or whatever. Yes. yeah I mean, I was trying to challenge myself because I hip-hop is...
00:16:54
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It's a genre that I think it's it's intended to be kind of written and and performed rather quickly, right? I mean, like, it comes from basically, like, you know, especially back in the 90s, late 90s, early 2000s or whatever, it was like, lot of people do just do that, like, at parties or on the street or whatever, right? Like, and i I don't know if you've ever met anyone that can just start, you know, kind of spinning some rhymes and stuff. It's like, it's quite impressive how good some people are that just, like, off the cuff.
00:17:20
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Yeah, I actually know someone. It's it's my friend's brother-in-law. He actually can freestyle very well. Yeah. He like be like freestyles like real estate stuff. It's really funny. That's cool. Okay.
00:17:32
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Yeah. ah Yeah, and that's that's kind of what I meant. So that's why kind challenged myself to write it, I guess, basically in an evening, right? Because ill just kind of see what I could essentially come up with and you know if I could make like something that had...
00:17:47
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I guess even if the of the song is not great, I mean the writing I hope has some little bit of substance there. They're seeing them some double entendres and stuff. and Yeah, I mean I i did i did try.
00:17:58
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ah tried. he well he he He wants to hear more, so... Whoa, okay. We had to give the pet we had give the people what they want. Right, so it's interesting you say that because like I, if I'm doing another song, I'm really gonna challenge myself. Keep it in mind, I have zero musical background, nor talent even. it was actually probably one of my worst grades in school when I was forced to take it, I think in elementary. It was like, yeah, it it was it was not pretty. I think I should fail.
00:18:28
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Oh no. So, but I want to challenge myself in that the whole song will be ah mine. I don't know what kind of time frame it's going to take because, ah and like I said, I'm not musical, but I have the song in my head. it's Hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm working on something. you You can't rush Genius. Come on.
00:18:48
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ah Genius and but or I guess dumpster fires, but either way, i mean, be interesting. one or the other. That's what we're getting.
00:18:58
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I aim to do one. I don't want to be blah. You know what I mean? want it to be memorable whether it's good or just just just I don't want to be blah.
00:19:09
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Yeah, I don't want to be blah. That'll be the title of the song. No, but yeah, I am. I am working on something. It's not going to be hip hop, though, ah because again, it's not and wouldn't say it's a genre. I'm like super I wanna say, like, I don't wanna, like, comfortable with, I don't wanna, I don't that's the right thing, it's like, uh, it's not, it's not really, like, that was my first hip-hop song I've ever, like, even tried to, to write, right, so it was like, but yeah, I'll, I'll work on something, I guess I'll keep you, keep the loop how it's going, and,
00:19:41
Speaker
and yeah hopefully hopefully i'll have something for you and guess the near future and if you go on someone's autoplay again they'll be like what the fuck is it i know the fact that there's an autoplay i love that that's hilarious
00:19:57
Speaker
and then that was my favorite part i read i'm like what that's uh well yeah that's interesting because if it starts doing that i mean somebody like that can just go to some I want to be like, what the hell am I listening Yeah, be I'll be curious the amount of plays the song gets now.
00:20:13
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but Yeah, I had no idea because I just threw it in there. and like i tried to you know I did write in the description to read what it's about, i guess. I suppose I didn't do a whole lot of like announcing or anything, but don't was done. I threw it up.
00:20:30
Speaker
So you want to go into what we watched this week? Yes, let's go into what we watched. Do you want to go first? when we No, I've been talking too much. You've been talking too much. Yeah. So ah you had me watch ah the... Well, actually, i shouldn't say that. I was already watching the TV show just dropped Devil May Cry based on the the video game. So I finished it all.
00:20:55
Speaker
Um... And, uh, I mean, all in all, like, I will say that I have, like, it, it, it was, it was phenomenal all the way through, ah episode six in particular. I, I don't want to go into too many spoilers because I actually do
TV Show Reviews: 'Devil May Cry' and 'Mob Town'
00:21:10
Speaker
want you to watch this. It was, it was good.
00:21:12
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Um, episode six is, is something that, I'm sure it's probably been done before, but not often. It's basically an entire it's an entire episode devoted to the exposition of the show about like what transpired before, but there is almost no dialogue.
00:21:31
Speaker
It was just it was very artful, colorful, like the art is different, like the animation is different in that episode. uh so i thought that was like really cool but like from start to finish like it really captures i guess the uh the essence of like i would say like the late 90s to like the early 2000s kind of like that x-men 97 show that we yeah you i think it was last season like the dialogue is very reminiscent of its time like the humor and stuff like it and and
00:22:02
Speaker
Even though I would say that the first couple episodes, it's- it's enjoyable, it's an enjoyable watch, like, there's- there's good action, like, there's good animation. I won't lie, it's like in the first couple episodes, it doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of depth to the story, but as the episodes keep going, I would say that there is actually quite a bit of depth. ah You start kinda, I guess, questioning, you know, some things that you may have, like, you know, making assumptions about, right?
00:22:32
Speaker
And I thought it was it was pretty interesting, ah the approach that they took. ah with everything. i think it was really well done in that regard. um and like and And again, like the action is really good. it's just It's a fun watch. like Every episode is is a lot of fun.
00:22:51
Speaker
And actually, ah one thing I was going to add, what one thing I will want you to do gonna see if I can just find the intro of the show, like just the like two or three minute intro.
00:23:02
Speaker
Just watch that, and then base that on whether you want to watch the show, because the intro is phenomenal. So wait, the intro is just the beginning of the first episode.
00:23:13
Speaker
No, no, no. there's There's the intro, they play it every episode. Oh, the opening credits. Yeah, the opening credits, yeah. Gotcha. Yeah, sorry. Maybe I wasn't very clear. But we it's one of those intros that I watched every you time. This is actually a show that I watched ah with a woman as well.
00:23:30
Speaker
So we both watched the intro every time. Like, she was definitely getting into it. And I asked her at the end, she said that she she enjoyed the show quite thoroughly. And I'd say that it's typically...
00:23:43
Speaker
I would say it's typically not something that maybe she yeah is drawn towards. So for her to say that she also enjoyed it, i think it it tells you a lot about it. It's very well done. like yeah it's ah It is a strong recommendation for me.
00:24:02
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uh especially if you kind of like you know especially if you're in our age age demographic like if you were you know teenager or even like you know you whatever a tween older kid or something like that in the 90s uh going into the very early 2000s i think you'll you'll definitely see a lot of uh kind of like easter eggs uh from from that era i thought it was pretty cool and again you certainly don't need to regardless it it its it is a very well-written show like I really like the bad guy in it and I a lot of times I'll judge a show I guess in terms of it like it has to have I think in my mind a very compelling villain I almost think and I like the hero too actually I guess there's a couple of heroes but it's like but I think i actually like the villain more which in it that's not to that's not to speak ill of anything it's like he's that well written
00:24:53
Speaker
Uh, and it's, yeah, it's just, I really enjoyed it to start to finish. Like I said, I got i got zero, i got nothing negative to say about the show. it was very well done. Uh...
00:25:05
Speaker
Yeah, I can't really compare too much of the video game because it's been so long since i played it. I just remember enjoying the video game and having fun playing it, and I'll say that at the very least this is like a fun show to watch. I don't think it's... it's not really taking itself too seriously, even though I feel like as a story progressive it does get more serious, but it's always fairly light-hearted in in the ah the approach they take.
00:25:30
Speaker
And I guess for me, I don't know if it's gonna be everyone's music style, but they definitely caught some of the- they caught the vibe of the music of the 90s. There'll be definitely one or two songs that I know that you'll recognize and it'll do that kind of that time machine thing to you ah But it's it's good and long and short of it is is a strong recommendation for me. It's a Yeah, I'd say for for a TV show, it was really good. I hear that Netflix has greenlit a second season. was just about to say, yes. I was goingnna oh i was i wasn't sure if you knew yet.
00:26:05
Speaker
Yeah, so, and the thing I like about this is does it kind of similar to... um of Blue-Eyed Samurai, in that the story is, for this season, is wrapped up, but, like, they're definitely, you know, well yeah i wouldn't say you know where it's going, but they're just like, yeah, there's still this stuff, and you're like, oh, okay, cool, like, i'm i'm I'm psyched to watch season two, you've got, like, some good storyline there, right, so I think that the way they ended it was good, too, because, like,
00:26:36
Speaker
I don't really like it when a show ends on a cliffhanger when, you know what I mean, like you don't even know what what the time frame is by the time you're gonna be able to watch the second season. Do you have, ah do they have any ah official stuff? All I know is that they're making another one, I don't know what the time frame is for it.
00:26:53
Speaker
I have no idea of the time frame. I just need to greenlit it. That's all you need, baby. Come on. That is all you need. Honestly, it's a good show. I'll probably... sure at some point I'll be re-watching that when I enjoyed it. It was good.
00:27:07
Speaker
Yeah, I really like the animation style. reminded me of Castlevania. so yeah yeah and uh and again for episode six uh they they went a different like a different approach with with it i think it worked that was a good episode i think like and and i mean i sometimes i think that that's what a lot of shows do i think actually funnily enough blue eye samurai i think the best episode of the season one think was the sixth episode as well if i'm not mistaken ah And it's not to say that the rest the show good, it's just that that's kind of one like that you kind of get in the climax of everything I guess.
00:27:42
Speaker
And there's kind of like the resolution, but no, it's it's a show that I think I was expecting not very much from because like I didn't really know what it was going to be like. And it it surprised me in, I guess, how...
00:27:56
Speaker
You know, there's some some some social commentary and stuff, and I think it's it's so... It's very subtly done, which I think is is awesome when you see it, where you can watch it and not even realize that it's there, but it's there, you know what I mean? So, yeah, like i like I said, it's... I guess my only gripe about the show, even though, you know, it's a thing that happens, especially in this type of show, is that...
00:28:18
Speaker
They, I, they, they, you know, one of my favorite characters, I'd say, you know, he dies, so, and I, I don't think it's a show where he's gonna be coming back. mean, you never know, I guess, these days, but, um, so that, that'd be my, not that that's really a gripe, that's just, you know, whatever, like, it's,
00:28:33
Speaker
Well, I mean, it's a testament to the show that that that if it's a character you love and they killed off and you want him back, the show is a well-written character. Yeah, yeah. So and I think that if you if you watch the show, i think you'll know who it is that I'm i'm talking about. Okay.
00:28:49
Speaker
Well, I think you convinced me. Hopefully you convinced ah other listeners to ah to watch it. Well, hopefully. And then if you do find yourself watching, then we can go kind of a more, I guess, spoiler review. But I really like... I think it's something that I think you'll you'll have a lot more fun if you just kind of go in blind, especially if you haven't played the video game or anything like that.
00:29:07
Speaker
Then that's what I'll do. Yeah. And the nice, like... There's one or two spots in this show that are kind of video game-y, if that makes sense. And I think it works.
00:29:20
Speaker
And I think it you know, again, I think that it was it was kind of neat. So, yeah. that's That's the end of it. Until, I guess, you watch it. And then we can maybe dive into a it. We'll dive in further.
00:29:33
Speaker
um So, for for what I watched this week, there's show I want to talk about that I've watched the first four episodes of now. It's a show called Mob Town.
00:29:44
Speaker
Have you heard of this? Right. I've heard about it, yes. Okay. I haven't really heard anything about it. I'm just saying I'm aware of it, I guess. So for for the listeners that don't know, I'm actually a big Tom Hardy fan.
00:29:56
Speaker
Right. Tom Hardy's my boy. okay ah Loved him ever since, ah I think the first thing I saw him, well, I guess the first thing I really saw him in when I took notice was Inception. Inception?
00:30:07
Speaker
and then Yeah. And then looking back, I'm like, oh wow, he was in this, he was in this, like, he was and he was in Band of Brothers, he was in Blackhawk Down, he was some other things I had no idea. He was in Band of Brothers? Yeah, man. I love that movie, I didn't even know.
00:30:19
Speaker
What do you mean? That's a mini-series. Oh. Band of Brothers is a mini-series. I know, like, it's, uh... Oh, he said movie. Oh, did I? thought I said show. movie show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just make sure we don't get it twisted. We don't want to confuse anybody.
00:30:35
Speaker
Sorry, 10-part miniseries. That was a Spielberg that directed it, wasn't it? Spielberg and Tom Hanks. Right, right, right. I didn't know he was in it. Dude, if you look at the cast of that, so many actors who were nobodies, who are huge now, were in that, like... And that's because i I only watched it, like, way back in the day. I remember I really enjoyed it. Yeah, if you rewatch it now, you'd be like, wait...
00:30:58
Speaker
That's James McAvoy. Wait, that's Michael Fassbender. Right. Wait, that's the only wait that's Simon Pegg. You're just And the only wreck the only the only actor I remember from from back then, because of Friends... Right, it was Ross.
00:31:13
Speaker
Exactly. David Swimmer, yeah. That's right. what it's right it's by but it was It was him, and then I knew Ron Livingston because he was in Office Space. and Right, right, yeah. That's what I'm saying. as Yeah, when I was a kid, that's all I knew, yeah.
00:31:27
Speaker
Yeah. That's so funny. But, ah yeah, so the show Mob Town, it stars Tom Hardy and Paris Brosnan and Helen Mirren. um That's good. And, you know, and Patty Constantine. if For the people that, don't you know, that have seen... a um the game of thrones uh house of the dragon season one he was he stole the show in that one uh but basically with this one so which one i said i i never watched game of thrones so oh okay yeah yeah but i i i figure a lot the listeners have oh probably yeah i'm not really weird over not having watched it yeah
00:32:06
Speaker
but but But it's basically about ah two different ah mean two different mobs and you have Tom Hardy who's like the in-between kind of middleman between them. Like he's like yeah kind of just playing, not so much playing both sides because he's for he's for one side, but he's kind of like, okay, if to make sure that things are on an even keel, I need to see what's going on here just so and i notice no bad shit happens and no war starts.
00:32:36
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So he's like he's like a marriage counselor almost. Yeah, almost. But he's really like ah like a fixer. If there's a problem with the with the family, like he's the one that that that handles it and makes sure it's rectified.
00:32:50
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um But Tom Hardy, he owns this role. He is so good. So this this is directed by Guy Ritchie. You know, if you've seen Snatch, Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels, all those. And Tom Hardy fits, like, his writing style um perfectly.
00:33:05
Speaker
And and in the entire cast is... ah I mean, they're they're all bringing their A game and I'm loving the dynamic they're showing because you're showing like Tom Hardy and his family and how they're affected by it And they don't even know like what the fuck he does.
00:33:22
Speaker
like for a living. and And like in the last episode, they were talking about how they're together 20 years and she's she still has no idea like what he does. And she's just like along for the ride because he puts her up in this nice ass house. he provides for the daughter and everything. And he's right he he tries to be the family man as much as he can. but you know, there's that wedge in between him and his wife um that's there because of like this,
00:33:47
Speaker
the not knowing of it and like how like what are these bad things that he's doing that we're able to afford all this but so so so so tom hardy's great but pierce brosnan and helen mirren play the the head of the like the the the mob family uh they're they're married and and helen mirren she she's uh She's a devious little like saucy minx, man. like she's She's kind of scary. like that that There's nothing that that that holds her back. and she's she's willing to like I haven't seen her like get her hands dirty, but she's willing to get everybody else to get their hands dirty.
00:34:26
Speaker
i mean, to be calling her a saucy minx, I think that's a... I don't think that's the way that... and but she's shes she She's very manipulative. Right. No, I get what you're saying. she's she's She's quite talented, and I feel like... I think in a lot of ways, it seems like she's one that's, like, she's getting better with age.
00:34:47
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. She's really found, like, a a second prime in her career. yeah Yeah. For sure. Where, where where we're like, when if she's in it's like, oh, now I got gotta watch. I know she's gonna good. Yeah.
00:34:59
Speaker
um But yeah, between between the cast, the the story... ah and it's I was talking to my dad about it, and he was saying that he thought it was too violent. And like there are some scenes that do get violent, but like it's pretty... i think it's it's spaced out enough where it's more dialogue-heavy than anything else, where because the like the lack of um these violent scenes, it's like when they happen, it...
00:35:29
Speaker
it really stands out a lot more because they they they spare it they spare it like where it's not just being your head over with it with the violence it's like it's just like every now and then when you when you don't expect it that's when you see it and then so uh for the for that i i definitely recommend it but um yeah i i'll definitely go into it more when the show finishes but i just want to say i'm watching it now and i'm very much enjoying No, that's cool. I mean, yeah, especially when you're mentioning those those actors, like you said. I mean, that's... Yeah, all star cast. It won't be good, yeah. so
00:36:04
Speaker
It's good seeing Tom Hardy star in a show. thats i feel like it's going to be a hit, so good for him.
00:36:12
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um But yeah, so... Indeed, indeed. Shall we get back to Val? let Let us get back to the man of the hour. All right. so So let's go into ah the film that you watched first.
00:36:25
Speaker
Right. And you watched Kiss Kiss Bang Bang starring Val Kilmer and Robert Downey Jr.
Film Reviews: 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang' and 'MacGruber'
00:36:34
Speaker
What'd you think? I'll hand that Michelle Monaghan. and Michelle Monaghan. I've actually met her. She's she's such a sweetheart. so You met her?
00:36:44
Speaker
i got i got i got I got a picture with her. I'll make sure to put it on the i'll put it on the Instagram when we post this episode. that's cool, man. For sure. like yeah she's like She's actually a lot of movies I like, and she's always like... She seems to fly a bit under the radar, it seems. even You know what i mean?
00:36:59
Speaker
Yeah, I think this is the first role I ever saw her in. um Was kiss kiss bang bang and and now she was just most recently in the newest season of white lotus right? So she's still she's still killing it.
00:37:12
Speaker
Yeah, 20 years later I'd say this is a this is the earliest I've seen her in a movie for sure. I don't think I've seen her ah younger ah than that. But yeah, so you had me watch it.
00:37:25
Speaker
ah it You know, honestly, like, ah it's it's, again, im I'm glad that we do the show sometimes, because I don't think this is a movie that it was even really on my radar or anything like that. And it's it's good. like it's It's very different ah type of humor from Top Secret.
00:37:42
Speaker
Oh yeah, for sure. It's definitely dark, and I'd say it's like, it I don't know if I would personally describe it even as a dark comedy. like it's It's like half comedy. It's a dark buddy comedy?
00:37:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's quite dark at times, though. And it it works. like that I feel like ah the tone is always right. And know it's it's a weird movie to describe because like it does have parts where I was laughing out loud. look It is just that...
00:38:10
Speaker
ridiculous. I can think of one scene right away. Like when, uh, how much were you laughing when ah when Robert Downey lost his finger? Oh, yeah, that that one's pretty good. I mean, he technically, I think, loses it twice. yeah yeah ah yeah Well, no, actually, he technically loses it three times. Oh, really? Because the dog...
00:38:36
Speaker
Yeah, the dog, right? He gives the dog a hug. Oh, no. ah Yeah, no, it is a good scene. That is funny.
00:38:46
Speaker
um no that I mean, one that sticks out to me because just because of how out there it is ah is when they... Because they're trying to, guess, frame...
00:38:57
Speaker
ah Robert Downey Jr.'s character yes ah for a murder, so they they put this this corpse in his hotel room and he he just kind of goes into the bathroom and he's taking his morning piss. Oh yeah, dude, I just forgot about it. Here's the corpse like in the shower, basically, and he looks over and then while he's looking over, he keeps pissing. He starts pissing on this corpse.
00:39:19
Speaker
and Which is like, it's funny and horrible at the same time, but then... yeah It's so funny when he does it, and then when he describes it too to Val Kilmer. Yes, exactly. And then he's like, wait, he's like, and that this is serious conversation, and they they're in a hurry, obviously, because they got to get this corpse out of there. And then Val's like, wait, he's like, why were you pissing on a corpse?
00:39:44
Speaker
It's like, well, Becca, we can't just... Just... Like, you need it to know. Now, Toronto, like, just, like, pretend like, oh, that's normal. yeah So, ah I mean, yeah, though there was quite a few, like, the parts that made me laugh made me laugh, like, good and hard.
00:40:02
Speaker
ah But, it I mean, it is it it is definitely, like, there's definitely some darker themes in there, kind of like, I guess, like, rape and you know some child molestation stuff going on. So, it's like, there's some pretty dark themes that this movie explores.
00:40:18
Speaker
And I think they actually did a very good job of it and like what it does to You know that these kids is this girl. They're growing up and stuff too. So it's like it it for a comedy. It does still have like Some depth some stuff that's going into you. I thought that the chemistry with with everybody was really good. So I know it really is Yeah, it, like, I, again, I mean, it's, uh, it, like I said, it's it's really interesting to watch these movies, uh, that I had never even really heard of, with Val Kilmer, and seeing him in roles that I wasn't really used to seeing him in, and, like, they're terrific movies, like, it's, like, again, I got really, nothing bad I could say about this movie, like, I enjoyed it thoroughly, and I'm sure I'll be watching it again, you know, in the future, like, it's, it was, was really well done.
00:41:07
Speaker
Yeah, looking at stuff. It's interesting how, like, because they're based on this fictional series of books about how someone is, like, copycatting this fictional series of books almost to, like, you know, which is why, like, this plotline's a little bit little bit, I guess, out there at times, even though it like it's still believable, but, like, it's, I don't know, and it kind of adds to...
00:41:29
Speaker
I guess the depth in the movie. so Not that, you know, even if depth isn't your thing, which is fine, i mean, don't get me wrong, you're still going enjoy it. like The gags will make you laugh. The back and forth between Robert Downey Jr. Val Kilmer is very good.
00:41:46
Speaker
I think it's a... it's It's funny because I think both those actors at that time were in a place where i don't think either of their careers were doing so shit hard too. Yeah, that that they weren't so hard. Both of them. That's funny you mention that.
00:42:01
Speaker
Yeah, so so it's kind of it's kind of neat to be watching it in that regard. ah And it's... I think it it is... Again, I'd say it's another movie that's a shame that it it flew a bit under the radar. I don't think it's one that...
00:42:15
Speaker
I mean, maybe it's not as obscure as Top Secret was, but it's definitely, I wouldn't say this is like a mainstream movie by any any means, and it it just should be, like, it should be more known. It's got terrific actors in there, and again, like, ah that Michelle Monahan, or however you, I'm probably gonna butcher her name, but she's had quite the career afterwards. Obviously, Robert Downey Jr. has had, like, quite the career resurgence, basically following that movie.
00:42:40
Speaker
Uh, so... Yeah, it's pretty pretty pretty interesting to think about. but All in all, a solid recommendation for me. If you like buddy cop type movies, I don't see how you're not going to enjoy this movie.
00:42:52
Speaker
I almost say I think it actually is... It could be better than ah The Nice Guys. I like it more than The Nice Guys. i think there's more memorable ah scenes. i think the chemistry is a little better between Robert Downey and Val Kilmer.
00:43:08
Speaker
Yeah. But I mean, it's for but for me it's close, but I just think Kiss Kiss Bang Bang edges it out. I feel like there's a bit more... the one thing that i I noticed because I was thinking about that movie, because I know you had made that comparison, I mean, it's been a bit of a... bit like It's been a moment, I guess, since I watched ah The Nice Guys, and it was for the show too.
00:43:29
Speaker
ah But the one thing I'll say this movie has more than I thought The Nice Guys had, is there's more heart. Like, there's a bit more love the characters, even though that adds because, out soul he's leaning Val Kilmer's Kilmer's okay, yeah,
00:43:44
Speaker
tell that mean that, he's he's like, though. He's he's like, like, like, he's he's like, he's he's he's like, he's he's he's like, like, like, like, he's like, he's like, he's he's he's like, like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's he's he's he's like, he's he's he's like, he's like,
00:44:04
Speaker
And it was stuff like that where it was like there's just there's a bit more heart and it's done in a very comedic way. Yes. i loved it. for yeah This is little things it's with what makes me love the movie.
00:44:16
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah. And I love I love the scene, too, where where it's like the the Russian roulette scene. Oh, man, yes.
00:44:27
Speaker
Yes. And then just the whole movie, just how stupid Val Kilmer thinks that Robert Giant is acting. know. he's not wrong, right? Yeah. always remember that one line he says, like, where he says, um... It was a line about, uh...
00:44:48
Speaker
Um, oh, he's he's like, if if you look up the word idiot in the dictionary, like, you'll know what you'll see. And Robert Downey's like, what a picture of me. He's like, no the definition of the word idiot, which is what you are. like, yes, that's amazing. Yeah, that was, uh, that was good. Yeah, there's the Russian real estate scene you're talking about. I thought there was like an 8% chance. Who taught you math? Eight? Eight?
00:45:16
Speaker
eight
00:45:20
Speaker
Oh, there was this... I mean, yeah, it was just shit like that. And then, too, like, Michelle Monahan's character there, like, she does a really good job because she's basically, like, she's friend-zoned Robert Downey Jr. while simultaneously basically having slept with everyone in the guy's life.
00:45:39
Speaker
and then And then he finds out that she slept with his best friend, too. Oh, yeah, she's like, you did to me, you did to me. Oh God.
00:45:50
Speaker
yeah it's ah Yeah, I mean, i really, it's it's it's a it's a great movie. Again, another strong recommendation. And again, like I know that you know the the humor in Top Secret is not necessarily for everybody.
00:46:03
Speaker
Just like the movie we're gonna be getting to shortly here, MacGruber. Again, it's humor that I get that's not for everybody. And this one is also a different type of humor, so it's like, it's interesting to have watched. Yeah, these three movies, those are three, oh, guess all four...
00:46:19
Speaker
Oh, no, I'm sorry, the three movies that we're talking about for Val. Yeah. Yes, all vastly different comedies. Yeah, they're they're they're all, I guess, like, quote comedies in in some respect. Yes. But they're very different, just showing kind of like a different range of of different types of comedy.
00:46:32
Speaker
And Val's, he's vastly different in every one of these roles. Yeah, and and and again, like, they they definitely deliver and in that style, right? So it was, is yeah, i'm I'm happy for the recommendation, enjoyed the watch.
00:46:48
Speaker
I'm glad you liked it, man, I'm so glad. And it's ah another thing, like, I didn't think I'd like it as much as they did. Like, I just put it on, and then, like, and then quite quite quickly i was I was roped in, I was like, this is good.
00:47:00
Speaker
Actually, I shouldn't say that, the opening scene roped me.
00:47:04
Speaker
Do you remember the opening scene? Wait, is the opening scene when he's when he's yeah with shoplifting? Is it that one? No, the opening scene, and I don't want to say it, ah actually, yeah, I mean, I don't want to spoil it for anybody, but the opening scene, all I'll say is it's a magic trick.
00:47:24
Speaker
and Because it's it's a young version of of the of the girl. There's a magic trick and then you basically learn her character. That made me chuckle. That's the opening scene. And I was like, I feel like this is going to be a good movie. I'm in. I'm all in. And then they have kind of this...
00:47:41
Speaker
James Bond-esque intro, which I thought was also pretty cool. And then it dives into the movie, so I was like, yeah, like I said, enjoyed more than I did.
00:47:51
Speaker
Thanks for the recommendation. Of course. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Now, I know you're excited talk about the next one. I am excited to talk about the next one. So like I have no no idea if you liked it or hated it and before before we get into anything i was telling James before the show is that this is like one of my i'd say it's one of my favorite companies like like you know in in in in history or whatever you want to call it like there's many quotable lines for me there are things that people that know me might not know the movie but they know the line
00:48:26
Speaker
pick as Because I repeat some of the lines to this movie. I'll be curious which ones you like to repeat. ah There's a few. We'll go into it.
00:48:37
Speaker
Give me sec. the look Let me speak my piece. but Yes. So, yeah. So, I did not like this as much as you. Right.
00:48:50
Speaker
i um had a feeling that was a possibility. As far as the Val Kilmer movies we were discussing, this this is definitely the third. Right. The third best in in my ah in my opinion.
00:49:03
Speaker
um Just like for like, I don't know. good Okay, first of all, we're talking about Val Kilmer. Val Kilmer, he's the villain in this and ah hes he's he's he's in it enough, but he's not in it a lot.
00:49:17
Speaker
No, he isn't, no. Definitely the least amount of screen time for from all all these films. um He plays more of the kind of stereotypical bad guy with, you know, I mean, a few a few funny things here and there, of course.
00:49:33
Speaker
ah i I mean, I don't know. I kind of like the one line when, um when, when ah I don't know why i thought this was funny, but he's like talking the one guy, he's like, you ever been you think he's talking the one guy, he's like, oh, have you been to DC?
00:49:48
Speaker
He's like, no, sir, haven't. He's like, wasn't talking to you, I'm talking to the missile. I'm like, what? What is this? like There's lines like that where I'm just like, like like sometimes it lands, sometimes it didn't. It was a bit like a very ah hit or miss as far as the jokes.
00:50:09
Speaker
But I guess going away from Vow, since he's not he's at the star of this, um the star of this is Will Forte. He is MacGruber. And ah he, like, so I remember the SNL sketches of this character.
00:50:27
Speaker
See, I've never seen those. Okay. Just, yeah. Okay, so so I did see those as, like, SNL was airing at that time when he was on it, which is why they made the movie, because based off the sketch.
00:50:40
Speaker
um and they you know when when you're doing snl you know it's not it's not r-rated you know they they can't say certain things so in this movie it is very r-rated it like it was much more over the top than i thought it was going to be and i was kind of taken back by it in a way because i was like man i feel like was i kind of was feeling like they're they're going a little too hard or trying to go too hard um and or just like trying to be too funny and it just wasn't laying for me at times but like when when it was when it was more of like the uh what i mean okay i gotta say the the one the funny thing i saw coming which which so you had all the you had all these wrestlers
00:51:25
Speaker
that he had is his A-team, that he's getting the squad together. I'm like, whoa, that's Chris Jericho. That's the Big Show. That's Mark Henry. ah These are all wrestlers from WWE. And I'm like, and don't remember these guys being in the movie.
00:51:41
Speaker
And I'm just like, wait a minute, I knew what's going to happen. So I saw it coming and yet I still found it funny when ah you know he was the reason. because like I know it's funny, like he's like the go-to guy to to get ah Val Kilmer, the villain, to stop the missile or get the passcode. You've got to say his name and this in this in this instance. ah wait Wait, it's it's Van Kunth? Yes, Kunth. Kunth, yes. I'm going to go pound some Kunth. Yes, yeah.
00:52:13
Speaker
So, he kept... that cut yeah ah so it and he he kept he kept over he kept redoing certain jokes that I thought got a little stale for me.
00:52:27
Speaker
um when he kept He kept using the joke as far as like, oh, you know, I'll let you fuck me, I'll suck your dick and all that. To like so many different characters. I was like, okay, it was funny the first time. I was like, all right, I feel like you ran that you ran this joke into the ground a little bit. where where To me, it got less funny.
00:52:43
Speaker
um ah okay Because then I was like, I was already i'll see i i saw it coming. like i would I would predict that he would be saying this. um but as far as the group making me juggles just pick something in the room and i will yeah i know so so so that scene was like the first one the first time he did it yeah yeah and then and that was funny and he was going over the top just the right way but they did it again then he did it again I'm like, oh, it was funny the first time. And then like, it wasn't as funny the next times.
00:53:16
Speaker
Um, so, but when, when the actual group got together with him, Ryan Phillippe and ah Kirsten Wigg, um, I, I like, I like their, their dynamic. Cause I liked how MacGruber, Ryan Phillippe kind of hated each other. Then, you know, they'll ultimately, uh,
00:53:34
Speaker
had a bomb going. and But with with him and Kristen Wiig, I was just like, wait, how, like, what is she going to be doing? And she's just like, man, she's just the, she was kind the punching bag a lot She he was just, she was just used as just a diversion every time and she just seems scared shitless and i thought that was because and i thought she played that very well yeah um you know just being dressed up as him and then being dressed up as like kind of like like a homeless man looking i and and just the way she'd be scared out i'm like why do did you think that i mean that's what the funny thing is but he's like you know what but why does she think that she's she'd be good for this uh is a covert operation
00:54:16
Speaker
um But and then ah so, yes, so it was it was just ah a simple story. I like how the movie was quick, an hour and a half. yeah um It didn't feel like it didn't feel too long. You know, it made sure it didn't overstay its welcome, even though some the jokes got a little stale for me.
00:54:34
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um But but it was a fast pace as far as like getting from yeah set piece to set piece and move move the story along as far as like, all right, now now they have this weapon. Now we got to go get them.
00:54:46
Speaker
Oh, he got away. now we gotta go get him over here. um but But, but, but, but, but Will Forte, I mean, he, he can tell he loves doing this role. I just wish some of the jokes were just a little better and not, not to just like, so in your face.
00:55:04
Speaker
but Well, I, one thing I liked about that movie is ah they, there, there is a long burn on some of the jokes. Like the one with the, there's the SRT neon,
00:55:15
Speaker
that like cuts him off and he's like writing a license plate number down, right? And then like later on they're looking through his like notes and it's like, it's just about this fucking neon driver and in the animation he's like taking his shit on the car. Yeah! yeah And then he sees the car later on in the movie and it's like,
00:55:33
Speaker
And that's what i mean, like, it's it's a long joke. And then the other one that I liked is with Val Kilmer. Yep. Is ah they go to infiltrate ah his his house, the party, or whatever, right?
00:55:44
Speaker
And then Will Fortes, or MacGruber, I should say. Yeah, we should say MacGruber. Yeah, it is MacGruber. So he goes up to Ryan Felipe, and then he's like, well, did you get anything? And he's just like, wow, I left an upper decker in his toilet.
00:55:58
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And then... And then later on at the very end of the movie when he's tied up, then Al Kilmer punches him. He's like that's for the upper deck. And it just, I don't know why, but his delivery of that slayed me the first time i was watching that movie. Because it it was unexpected because I had never seen him in any even quasi-comedic role, right? I'd only seen him in serious roles.
00:56:23
Speaker
So it it was it was really unexpected. like even And I had no... I had no prior knowledge this movie going in. like I didn't realize when I first start saw it that it was an SNL sketch until after it did. there's so many SNL actors in this. You had Kirsten Wiig and then you had Maya Rudolph who played the wife that died. Right. I pretty much stopped watching SNL, I would say, the generation before, if that makes sense.
00:56:49
Speaker
Okay. Probably five or six, seven years before is around the time I just probably stopped watching SNL. Yeah, so I probably started watching like that generation after. It was like my first like time like really like consistently watching it.
00:57:03
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Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I watched SNL, like I watched it originally, there was the ah like the Adam Sandler, Chris Farley crew. Yep. And then there was like the... Will Ferrell.
00:57:14
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Yeah, Will Ferrell, like... Tina Fey. Yeah, tina Tina Fey for sure. Chris Kattan, I think. And yeah then then after that one, that was around the time that I probably like kind of stopped. it's it's not I just stopped following it, basically. ah yeah I just just stopped watching it. No no particular reason. I don't know and Maybe, like, ah to be honest, though, like I think that Glory Days was probably Chris Farley and Adam Sandler. so Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:57:40
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Yeah, so... Not to say that, you know, the the other generations had had their moments. No, and I'm sure, well, this this movie would be an example. I've never i've never seen the MacGruber sketches or anything. Like, to this day, I've only ever seen that movie, so... Yeah, I'm gonna say that was the last one they've done based off an SNL sketch.
00:57:59
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Right. what could be wrong. Yeah, because I don't think it did to... No, it didn't do well in the box office. i actually watched Will Forte on Hot Ones and he talked about that. He's like, yeah, we kind knew it wasn't going to that well, but we we we we loved making it and everyone had like the best time and and they're proud of it.
00:58:18
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They still like it. And they know it developed a following and now it's considered like a and it's a cult film now. It's a, yeah, I mean, it it's still, it's one that I've, you know, I've probably seen ah by this point. I've probably seen it half a dozen times, I'm sure. And it makes me laugh every time I watch it.
00:58:36
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The one thing I will say is like I had a buddy mine like way back in the day He had
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00:58:41
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watched it. He thought it was the dumbest thing He was like he's like the humor's dry or whatever because we used to talk about movies every now and then I was just like watch it when like you're in a frame of mind where you just want to watch something dumb.
00:58:51
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And then he watched it again and he's like he's like I get what you're saying. He's like I actually was laughing my ass up I think I was just not in the right frame of mind for a movie that was I guess that stupid at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you definitely had to be the right mindset for You and ah But I mean, that said, like, i think it's just for me, I mean, not that I obviously like different styles of comedy and stuff, but like, I'd say in terms of just making me fucking, well, just laugh my ass off at just, just nonsensical stuff, like,
00:59:20
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I think that movie kind of takes the cake for me in terms of my style of humor or maybe it's just the way that it was delivered or whatever but uh yeah like the whole movie like when he's like vi the movie opens and they're looking at his dossier file right it's just like this uh what is it he says like uh like a well-skilled lover or something And then every time you see him, you see him pork, he's basically like, he's like grunting like a fucking hyena. know. I did laugh at that scene. And I did laugh again when he was in the graveyard. Yeah, that the music comes on and then there's a there's like ah either some sort of caretaker in the and in the graveyard that's looking over. He's just humping the air.
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and You know what I like too? I did like how he was obsessed with taking out his... hysteria every time he got out of his car. and ah i did I did appreciate that. It was funny because it's like, it's not something that, even when that movie came out, like, that that had not been a thing for a number of years too, so that's why it was like funny at the time, i think it's even just gotten funnier with age.
01:00:32
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uh that that joke for sure it was a was it a blaupunkt or whatever the fuck it is i i this is a blaupunkt yeah yeah it was something like that and yeah then he got his new one oh i think was a wedding gift right from from ryan philippe i think yeah and i uh i i i guess for me too like also i know i do speaking of ryan philippe i did like the scene when they had like this nice heart-to-heart And then like right when the bad guys come back, he's he's he like, you think he's going to save Ryan Phillippe? Then like he literally uses him as a human shield. Oh, yeah. yeah
01:01:10
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And then he's like, oh, yeah, we're wearing a vest. What? Get me out of the car. Get me out of here. Yeah, don't know. And I kind of knew that, too. but Like when that happened, I was like, oh, he's wearing a vest.
01:01:24
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Yeah. i knew I knew a joke's coming out of that. Yeah. Cause I knew that they wouldn't kill him off like that. it was i one one that like ah One that made me just just chuckle ridiculously, and I know it's caught some other people too because of just how ridiculous it is. Cause MacGruber, he likes to do his throat rips, right?
01:01:46
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Yes, i thought that was funny too, I did like that. And Ryan Phillipe is disgusted to no end of this. yeah And at the end of the movie, because hes he wants to go for his turkey. Yeah. He has three throat rips. Yep.
01:01:57
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And then Ryan's like, go for it, bro. yeah And then he does it, and then he's like, go, we go, but go, go! Yeah, I did like that, too. Oh, that one slayed me.
01:02:08
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Yeah. So, see, like I'm saying, like, i there were jokes ahead, and and some just didn't for me. um yeah but But then, getting back to Val, you know, he's... ah You know, he he's the bad guy. You you learn... What, they went to college together? Then he actually, like, stole his... MacGruber stole his girl?
01:02:28
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Yeah. now he's the wife? And then she was pregnant, so he's like, so I had her aborted, of course. Yeah, was like, I was like, damn, what? What? so nonchalantly and then you're just like, no wonder the guy's pissed.
01:02:40
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yeah it it um I was noticing him being like homophobic at times. i was like, man, I find like they won't get away with this nowadays. Even like with the scene with the Big Show, when you see the Big Show making out with some guy and he was about to invite him on his team and then he's just like, no. it is he did bit of Scratching off. the but yeah but But he did make up for it later and he brought him to the wedding. So there you go. Yep, yep, that's uh, and uh, it's funny you mention that too because uh, Val in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang plays uh... He plays Gay Perry.
01:03:15
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He plays Gay Perry. Uh, and it's uh, it, no, it's good, it's it's good. Uh, again, uh, very, very different styles of comedy.
01:03:27
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I'd say, in my case, a high recommendation on both. I mean, i think that even just listening to it, you you'll know whether or not MacGruber is up your alley or not. ah if you If you like just, you know, toilet comedy and that kind of stuff, and me you'll you'll definitely have a good time. Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang, I think it's almost more a movie for everybody.
01:03:47
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like Yeah. because Even if you're not into the comedy, I think you're still gonna dig the story. Mm-hmm. and just ah and Just like the way it's structured. Yeah, it's- it's- it's- yeah. there i do I do like me some Robert Downey narration.
01:04:00
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Uh, that was, uh, yeah, that was interesting. Uh, yeah. Like, it was, uh, it- it- it definitely had some chuckles- chuckles for me from time to time. Uh, no, it was good. Like, uh, was- it was like- to me, that's a- that's a really solid double feature right there.
01:04:18
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ah but basically what I'm- I'm- I'm kind of thinking these days is like... Like, if fe be if I'm being real here, like, I don't really remember watching a Val Kilmer movie, like, ever that I haven't enjoyed. and And, like, a lot of things I've enjoyed thoroughly. And it's funny because, like, never really thought of it that way. And probably because, if I'm being real, like, I don't really care for Top Gun, the original, that much. Right. And that's probably why.
01:04:42
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like Despite the fact that he had quite the career, he's done quite the range, he's made phenomenal movies. Yeah. And he's not really an actor that I guess I've ever really considered as having the range that he has and the talent.
01:04:55
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Yeah, i mean, it's fun like how we watch three different comedies and how Val's going to put, like, he showcases his range in all every different comedy and he pulls off each one.
01:05:07
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Yeah. So well, like so effortlessly. Like, he fit each role like the way he should have. If anything, I'd say that it's kind of a shame ah that, you know, that he did, I guess, ah that that Dr. Moreau movie. and And I guess in in some ways, too, I think I don't think Batman really helped his career.
01:05:29
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ah and I think it's a shame because i feel like we would have gotten a lot of maybe a few more really solid performances from him. Yeah, well, because it they did do well in the box office, but that movie just gets roped in with Batman and Robin, and and when you think about both of those movies... Yeah, longevity-wise, yeah, it it it is I don't think it helped. It might...
01:05:50
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might It probably has developed a bit of a cult following. Yeah, it has more appreciation now. um and people I think more people separate the two. um in terms of ah you know the the quality is is much higher in Forever versus the Batman and Robin.
01:06:09
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but Better music, too. Oh, I mean, because of Seal? yeah You got Hold Me, Throw Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me, man? Come on. Oh, I always think of Kiss From a Rose. Yeah, that one too.
01:06:20
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Yeah. just saying. There's Batman music. But I just think it's so funny that Kiss From a Rose is from Batman Forever. it's so funny to me. good Who would have thought? um Yeah.
01:06:31
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But... Yeah. But... um um i'm set I'm sad that we're finishing up our time with Val. Um...
01:06:43
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I'm going to miss him. i mean i'm I'm glad he left us a great body of work to ah to cherish his legacy yeah um and the in Hollywood.
01:06:53
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A lot of memorable roles and films he left behind. um I'm glad we get to do these episodes to to really honor him. Yeah, no, like I said, me too. It's a...
01:07:08
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Like said, a it was an enjoyable enjoyable couple of movies for sure. His talents, i think, are kind of underappreciated, I guess. and But I guess that's you know that's true of some artists during their life.
01:07:28
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Sometimes they're appreciated more fondly, I guess, after they're gone. Yes, but he he he's definitely an actor that left it all all on screen and didn't let up, didn't phone it in.
01:07:41
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he was always He was always trying to make it a memorable character as much as he could every time. Yeah, and I'd say the one thing that I've gotten from these last two episodes is that if if I happen to catch, like, if someone's, you know, recommending or happen to catch a movie that has Battle Killen that haven't seen, I feel like I'm going to be a lot more stoked for it.
01:08:04
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ah Because, like I said, I mean, he he is he honestly is a phenomenally talented individual. And I think it shows. I think he's he's one of those guys that picks up things quite easily.
01:08:16
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and yeah, I think it is showcased in some of the movies that we watched these last couple of episodes. Yeah, the only thing I wish i just wish, I wish he did more comedies, like, after watching these three, are talking and and talking about these three, yeah.
01:08:32
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Yeah, it's it's one of the, like I like i said, it's it's a shame he did just didn't do, like, a few more movies, because, you know, I think he definitely, maybe I think that, I think that, you know, there there was definitely more to explore,
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so Yeah.
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Well, Val, when we when when we end the episode, we we always say, we we always do do our toast, our cheers. And this cheers is dedicated to you, buddy.
01:09:04
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We're going call it an icy cheers. Icy cheers, all right? yeah Yeah. To the Iceman. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.
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